Let's Talk About POLITICS! The Epstein Files, Donald Trump, & More

Summary

Let's Not Talk About The Husband

Episode: Let's Talk About POLITICS! The Epstein Files, Donald Trump, & More

Hosts: Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin
Date: September 12, 2025

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Brief Overview

Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin, celebrated Hollywood couple, take a candid, humorous, and occasionally sobering deep dive into the world of politics, centered on current headlines about the Epstein files, the Trump administration, media bias, and the broader trends in American democracy. They blend insightful speculation, personal anecdotes, and unfiltered discussion to examine corruption, manipulation, and threats to democratic institutions—while never losing their signature banter and authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Updates & Banter

• The episode starts with Lisa and Harry's trademark playful back-and-forth about their dog troubles, setting a relatable and lighthearted tone before diving into heavier topics. (00:26–08:04)
  • “We need the dog training... So is it like therapy that we need, like canine therapy?” – Harry (05:32)
• They touch on how talking together weekly has strengthened their 30-year relationship.

2. Transition to Current Affairs & Out-of-Balance World

• Conversation moves from personal anecdotes to a reflection on how "out of balance" the world feels lately.
  • Harry references the film "Koyaanisqatsi," meaning "life out of balance," as a lens for recent events. (08:11–08:35)
    • “There’s a tremendous amount of Kiwanisquotsy going on in the world.” – Harry (08:24)

3. The Epstein Files Scandal

Media Coverage & Political Manipulation

• Both express concern about the selective media coverage of the Epstein files and survivor testimonies, noting Fox News’ silence:

  • “I looked at CNN... MSNBC, they were showing it. And then I went to Fox and they were not showing it... Isn't it odd?” – Harry (11:43–12:00)
  • Lisa highlights media manipulation and the dangerous role of propaganda, drawing parallels to historical examples.

• Recalling the Capitol press conference with Epstein survivors, they discuss claims of military jets (possibly sent to distract from the survivors' statements) as circulated on social media, questioning official motives. (13:04–13:19)

Speculation on What’s Being Hidden

• Lisa and Harry speculate about the reasons for the secrecy around the files, discussing Trump's campaign promises to release them and what might be so damaging within (13:26–16:10):
  • “These kinds of scandals, oftentimes they rest on the money... follow the money.” – Harry (14:02)
  • They ponder the real source of Epstein’s wealth and suspect the trafficking operation is much larger than reported.

Survivor Voices and the Question of Justice

• Both hosts underscore the importance of centering the survivors, advocating for releasing files—at least to the people harmed so they can see what’s said about them:
  • “If the victims, if the survivors want it to come out, wouldn’t you want to do that for them so they could have some form of healing?” – Lisa (22:43)
  • They are shocked at the young ages (13–14) of many survivors, challenging misleading public narratives. (23:19–23:25)
• Ghislaine Maxwell’s recent claims of innocence and improved prison status are called out as "obvious quid pro quo." (44:32–44:50)

4. Trump, Authoritarianism, and the Climate of Fear

• Harry recounts how fear, intimidation, and leveraging governmental power for personal protection are hallmarks of the current administration (19:07–19:52).

  • “Most people would go, I don’t want the IRS to come after me... So I’m going to be quiet.” – Harry (19:19)

• They discuss tactics reminiscent of authoritarian regimes—using tax rules, criminal investigations, and threats to silence dissent (especially referencing Russia and Soviet Union tactics). (20:09–20:44)

On Trump’s Leadership, Empathy, and Values

• Lisa and Harry express disbelief at the administration’s apparent lack of empathy, especially given Trump’s having daughters (18:22–18:31).
  • “You would think that there would be some empathy there, but there does seem to be a lot of empathy in general in that administration.” – Harry (18:31)
• Lisa critiques the normalization of cruelty and lack of compassion.
  • “Compassion and empathy have become dirty words.” – Lisa (48:16–48:25)
• They discuss the chilling effect on public dissent and the dangers of a leader who says, “I can do whatever I want.” (31:37–31:42)

5. Erosion of Institutions & Project 2025

• Harry warns that Project 2025 is about dismantling checks and balances to move toward authoritarianism (28:24–29:07).
  • “The last thing we’ve got are the courts. And whether or not the courts ultimately hold up the rule of law remains to be seen.” – Harry (29:09)
• They highlight the increasingly critical role of the Supreme Court amid a weakening democracy.

6. Media, Misinformation, and the Danger of Losing Truth

• Lisa discusses the demise of local news and the rise of misinformation via TikTok and Instagram (35:07-36:41).
  • “People are going to TikTok and Instagram and, you know, there’s a lot of misinformation... That fear grows.” – Lisa (36:10)
• They lament the end of the Fairness Doctrine, leading to unbalanced, ideology-driven news. (51:41–51:55)
• Economic impacts like rising tariffs and inflation are discussed as everyday evidence of broader dysfunction. (41:24–42:26)

7. Personal Responsibility, Cultural Values, and Future Hopes

• Emphasize personal and civic responsibility; question how current events are shaping children's values and empathy. (46:15–48:25)
• Both underline the dangers of “no filter” honesty from those in power and its impact on social norms.

8. Hope, Karma, and Long-term Perspective

• End on a note of guarded optimism, with faith in "the good intentions of good people" eventually prevailing over cruelty and corruption. (50:19–50:28)
  • “I believe that the good intentions of good people in this country will ultimately win the day.” – Harry (50:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On media manipulation:
  “Isn’t that so surprising that a news channel could actually, like, manipulate the public?”
  – Lisa, 12:14

• On fear and authoritarianism:
  “He’s created this ring of fear around him that it’s quite possible he could get away with this one, too...”
  – Harry, 25:41

• On the lost values of empathy and compassion:
  “Compassion and empathy have become dirty words.”
  – Lisa, 48:25

• On karma and justice:
  “I have faith that the truth always prevails... you can never get away with it. After a while, the boogeyman’s gonna come for you.”
  – Lisa, 45:45

• On hope and closing optimism:
  “I’m an optimist, and I believe that the good intentions of good people in this country will ultimately win the day.”
  – Harry, 50:19

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening banter / dog talk – 00:26–08:04
• World out of balance; setting up political talk – 08:11–08:35
• Epstein files media coverage, jets story – 11:42–13:19
• Why are files hidden? Follow the money / scale of scandal – 13:26–15:45
• Will we learn the truth? Elon vs Trump – 15:46–17:14
• Empathy, survivors' needs, ages revealed – 22:43–23:25
• Ghislaine Maxwell, quid pro quo, and prison privileges – 44:32–44:50
• Trump, intimidation, and Project 2025 – 19:07–29:47
• Supreme Court’s role and risk of autocracy – 29:47–31:16
• Misinformation and decline of local news – 35:07–36:41
• Tariffs, inflation, and relatable impacts – 41:24–42:26
• End of Fairness Doctrine & media bias – 51:41–51:55
• Closing hope & optimism – 50:19–50:28

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Final Thoughts

“Let’s Not Talk About The Husband” turns its lens from entertainment and marriage to the urgent threats facing American democracy and social trust in 2025. Lisa and Harry’s candor, wit, and willingness to ask uncomfortable questions make for an episode that’s as thought-provoking as it is entertaining, offering a necessary reminder of the need for compassion, vigilance, and belief in justice.

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This summary is structured to provide a self-contained, engaging, and informative overview. Listeners and non-listeners alike will find it useful for understanding both the substance and the spirit of the episode.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[B]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[A]

And this is let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[B]

We've been together for over 30 years and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[A]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell. And on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[B]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode.

[A]

Go quick.

[B]

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to let's Not Talk about the Husband One more time. Here we are.

[A]

I know. How many times have we done this now?

[B]

We've done it a lot.

[A]

A lot. Since February, March, April, May, June, July, August. Six months, almost seven.

[B]

Yeah. Here we are again.

[A]

A lot of talking.

[B]

It's a lot of talk. But we get to talk. I mean, we get to spend a couple hours a week talking to each other. I mean, how many people who've been together for 30 some odd years, like, sit around and talk to each other, like just one on one for an hour or two a week? I mean, come on. We're lucky.

[A]

I know we are. It's a good point.

[B]

Yeah. So I was looking at your belt. Yeah, you got this. Is that leopard? Now, is that a Kisselstein belt?

[A]

It's not. It's like a knockoff.

[B]

A Kisselstein. Because I remember in the 80s it was big to have those Kistlestein. Everybody wanted to have a Kisselstein belt. Right?

[A]

Yeah. It was like the first, like big fashion.

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But they look just like that.

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Kind of like it.

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Yeah.

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This is pink Coney Dalmatian.

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It looks like it looks like that. I was gonna say. Is it. It's not leopard, it's Dalmatian. It's Spot.

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Yeah.

[B]

My first dog was a Dalmatian. And what do you think her name was?

[A]

Spot.

[B]

Spot.

[A]

That's so original.

[B]

I know, I know. And I was terrified of. I was like three years old when we got this dog from a rescue as this female dalmatian. And I was so scared of her, I walked around on the furniture for like three days. I walked around so that the dog couldn't get near me. I was terrified of dogs when I was three. I don't know why.

[A]

Did you get bit or something?

[B]

I must have gotten bit at some point. I think I have a vague memory of a little beagle maybe biting me on the leg. Maybe when I was like two and a half or something.

[A]

Like that might be it.

[B]

So there's this down this Dalmatian. And Dalmatians are like the Sweetest dogs ever, right? I mean, they're a little high strung sometimes, but this dog was the sweetest dog. And I was so fucking scared of this dog. I was, like, running around. I was terrified of this dog.

[A]

Did you get over it?

[B]

Eventually I did, yeah. Because it was sweet, you know, Dalmatian named Spot. But, yeah.

[A]

Well, speaking of dogs, we, as I'm sitting here and flashing on this, could use a dog trainer, because. Why?

[B]

Oh, for Cheetah. Yeah, little Cheetah.

[A]

We have an issue right now.

[B]

She just says she's eight months old, right?

[A]

Six. She's only six.

[B]

She was born in January, so January, March, April, May, June, July, August, like eight months old.

[A]

Well, she's a puppy, and she's not quite potty trained. And she barks and we gotta fix it.

[B]

She's just started barking recently, and, you.

[A]

Know, because the big dogs are teaching her to bark.

[B]

Learning to bark from the Rottweiler who goes out and barks at God knows what from time to time. And the Rottweiler's bark is so loud, it's earth shattering. Totally. I mean, you think the glass is gonna break in the house when she starts to bark?

[A]

Well, I had the alarm system on the house, on those windows, and she sets it off when she barks.

[B]

That's right. You have that break alarm when here's breaking glass or something like that. The alarm goes off. And yeah, when she barks, the alarm goes off.

[A]

Shuts it off. So that's a whole issue. But we. I think we need to have a guest on that's a dog trainer, or we need a dog trainer, a dog.

[B]

Whisperer of some kind. Because, I mean, look, she's the cutest dog in the history of the world, this little dog. I mean, little Cheetah Rivera. And she goes with me wherever I.

[A]

Go, like to kill her.

[B]

At times I come back.

[A]

I don't mean that literally, though.

[B]

Big turd on the living room.

[A]

They're little turds, though.

[B]

Well, little turds, but they're tiny for her. Her biggest possible turd ends up on the living room rug. And I go, excuse me, dog. So the dogs teach the. The big dog's teaching her how to bark, but she's not teaching her how to poop outside. So how do we do that?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

You're not supposed to rub their nose in it, right?

[A]

I don't know anymore because it's been a while and I'm starting to get frustrated because today she was in the bedroom and she's been pretty good but she looked over at me and she just squatted right in front of me. And I was like, no, I wonder.

[B]

If she's like pissed off. Cause I'm not spending as much time with her.

[A]

Well, yeah, cause you had her in Canada all day.

[B]

We were together 247 in Canada. And here, you know, I go out, I go to the market, I do whatever I gotta do. I leave her at the house. And she's probably pissed that I'm leaving her.

[A]

Well, she's pissed and she's pissing and she's pooping.

[B]

She's pissed off in the living room. Pissing in the living room.

[A]

I mean, I take her out all the time and she goes and she does it and she's very good about that. But there's a little disconnect happening. Cause the house is large and she goes in these little areas and we have to do something about it.

[B]

Well, we've cordoned off all the areas that she likes to poop in and she can't get there. So now she's finding new areas to do it. But I mean, I've had a lot of puppies in my. She's my eighth dog. And usually they get it at some point, right? Yeah, but I think maybe, yeah, we need probably intervention. We need outside help.

[A]

Actually, we need the intervention because it takes us. It's not that they're necessarily training the dog, they're training us.

[B]

The dog's training us.

[A]

Or the trainers, the dog trainers training.

[B]

Us to train the dog.

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To train the dog. So we, we, we need the dog training.

[B]

So is it like therapy that we need, like canine therapy?

[A]

I mean, I think we have to be taught what to do because we don't clearly know what to do.

[B]

You know, the last time we had a puppy with Rocky, our Rottweiler was a puppy. She ate pretty much all the wood in the house. I mean, we had to put that sour apple stuff on all the furniture because she was eating through, she ate through the chairs, the 200 year old chairs of my great great grandfather that he had this table built that would, that would sustain. He had the table built so that he could put a stallion on it. Because he was a horse guy, he liked to show horses and stuff. So he said to the person who made the dining room table, this is a couple hundred years ago, I want this table strong enough so that I could sell a stallion on it. And it's this big honking table. And then Rocky came and just ate it.

[A]

Well, she didn't necessarily eat the table, but she ate the chairs.

[B]

She ate the chairs? Yeah.

[A]

I should do a dance video on that table.

[B]

You should.

[A]

You know, I didn't think of that until right now. Because you can stand on that table.

[B]

A horse could stand. Katherine the Great would have loved that table.

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She would have.

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Yeah.

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Remember, Annie, speaking of dogs? Who used to literally eat every couch and pillow and every pair of my underwear? We'd come home and the feathers would be flying in the backyard.

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It was a red golden. And we had this one couch in the back of the house that we had a feather cushion on it. And twice, two times we drove into the house and we saw feathers flying all around the outside of the house. And she had gone in and completely destroyed two times, that thing.

[A]

A lot of times couches.

[B]

And then she would eat her way into the house. Remember, if we left her outside, she would eat her way through the dining room window.

[A]

There's still marks, I think, on it. I know that was stressful. I'm not gonna lie.

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Dogs can be.

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Dogs can be really fucked up. As fucked up as people or more.

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Sometimes if the owner's up, the dog's gonna probably be a reflection of how up the owner is. So our dogs are, you know, I mean, neither you nor I piss or in the house. But why is she doing it?

[A]

I mean, if. If that tends to happen. We have some talking to do. We have to figure that out, at least. It's a little dog. The little terrier, that's this. I mean, she's only this big. That's the good.

[B]

She's only 16 inches long.

[A]

That big. I mean, it could be worse. But I don't want anything like that, so I want to fix it.

[B]

Okay, well, we'll get.

[A]

So we're gonna figure that out. Call us people, whoever's a dog trainer, and you think you can train us?

[B]

Call us. We have to be trained. That's true. So there's some weird things going on in the world right now, you think?

[A]

A few. Do you think so?

[B]

I mean, come on. Really, the world is kind of like. Totally. Remember, that was a movie years ago called Kiwanisquatsi.

[A]

What?

[B]

Kawanisquotsi was the title of the movie. It was a really weird movie.

[A]

What movies?

[B]

Kiwanisquotesi means life out of balance. I'll never forget that. And it seems as though there's a tremendous amount of Kiwanisquotsy going on in the world.

[A]

Kiwanisquatsy.

[B]

The world seems to be out of balance.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like. Like there's all this attention being paid right now to this scandal in Washington.

[A]

Yeah, let's talk about it a little bit because, you know, I did post about it this week and, you know, I post things that I'm passionate about, obviously, and I can work some people up. You know, that's what I'm quite good at.

[B]

We know that we're stirring up and.

[A]

A lot of people now. I try, I think that with this Epstein situation.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Jeffrey Epstein.

[B]

Oh, that guy.

[A]

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[B]

Do we know anything more than, like, the GP? The general public knows? I mean, we see the news and we see what's going on in the news broadcast. One thing I will say that because they had this at the Capitol yesterday, I think it was yesterday. They had the Survivor people doing the.

[A]

Survivor women.

[B]

Women doing a press conference on the Capitol. And I looked at cnn, they were showing it. And then I went to msnbc, they were showing it. And then I went to Fox and they were not showing it. There was no mention whatsoever.

[A]

Big surprise, Big surprise.

[B]

So anybody who watched that network had no idea that there were people on the Capitol steps revealing how they'd been abused by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislain. So they're hearing an entirely different story. Isn't that odd?

[A]

Isn't it odd? Isn't that so surprising that a news channel could actually, like, manipulate the public?

[B]

Well, it's called propaganda and it works.

[A]

It works.

[B]

I mean, look what happened in the 30s in Germany. Propaganda worked like a charm. Of course, there was a little mess between the moment when the propaganda worked and the moment when the issue was resolved. A little mess called the Second World War.

[A]

There's a lot of conspiracy things on TikTok, which I think is weird and fascinating at the same time. So a couple of them are the. While the women, while the survivors were speaking yesterday, those big jets went over and. And allegedly they're saying that the White House sent those jets while. Because it's a no fly zone. And sent those jets out while those survivors were speaking.

[B]

Well, because it is a no fly zone. Remember, we heard the jets.

[A]

We certainly did, two or three times.

[B]

They flew over, it drowned out the. Who were speaking.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

And so they're thinking that these jets were sent deliberately to just drown out the people who are really.

[A]

Yeah, that's the TikTok chat.

[B]

You know, I mean, given the weirdness of the way this administration is behaving, I can't put it past them to do something like that.

[A]

So let's just speculate for a second. What could be the problem? What is the issue that Trump and the DOJ and whomever else doesn't want these files to come out, even though he said during his whole campaign. Campaign, thank you. That we're going to release those files and we're going to get to the bottom of it. Because his MAGA people want it. Right. And what could be in there that they don't want us to see?

[B]

Okay, so lots of speculatives.

[A]

Let's speculate.

[B]

Speculation.

[A]

This is just speculation.

[B]

Speculation, though, becomes conspiracy theories. So we can be very careful about because we don't want to, you know, start some kind of weird conspiracy theory. But these kind of situations, these kinds of Scandals, oftentimes they rest on the money. You know, it's like, follow the money. And it's quite possible that one of the reasons why this administration wants to keep all of this quite quiet is because as an investigation might grow and go further and further and further into the weeds, they might discover that there was some really big money involved in all of this. I mean, how did this guy make all of his dough? I mean, people. It's kind of mystery. It's a mystery. No one can really put their finger on how Jeffrey Epstein, you know, managed to amass a $500 million, 600 million, whatever large amount of money, you know, and, you know, what did he do for that? Nobody really can put their finger on it. He was a money manager, I guess.

[A]

For, like, two big billionaires. Am I correct?

[B]

Yeah. But I think it's quite possible that as people get further and deeper into this, they're going to find out that there was much more going on than what they call human trafficking. At this point. The human trafficking might have been a much larger operation that we think of right now. You kind of go, okay, so he had a house in New York. He had an island in the Caribbean. He had a place in Florida. And those places, the young underage women went to all those places and basically were abused. But it could be bigger than all of that. Maybe there was stuff going on all over the place. We don't know. We don't know.

[A]

Do you think we'll ever know?

[B]

I do. I do think.

[A]

Do you think it's gonna come out? Do you think that.

[B]

I think it's probably impossible for it to stay hidden.

[A]

Well, allegedly. Again, I heard not long ago that Elon Trump is. I mean, Elon Trump. That's a Freudian slip.

[B]

Well, it's some kind of a slip.

[A]

Elon Musk. I look at them as like Godzilla and King Kong fighting in a movie. That's what.

[B]

Oh, that's a great image, isn't it?

[A]

Think about that. I see them as King Kong and Godzilla because one's the most powerful, basically, man in the world, kind of, and the other one's the richest man in the world.

[B]

Along with great riches comes great power and great responsibility, too. But they both have a tremendous amount of power because of their status. One being president and one being really, really, really, really. Really.

[A]

So that's why the image of King Kong and Godzilla came up for me.

[B]

And it wasn't that bad. Well, in those movies, who won the battle between King Kong and Godzilla did.

[A]

Win the battle between King Kong and Godzilla.

[B]

I think maybe it was. Was it King Kong who always won those battles or was it Godzilla?

[A]

Well, I don't know exactly.

[B]

So King Kong is sort of anthropomorphic, which means he's sort of like a person. He's got, like, walks around on two.

[A]

Feet, but Godzilla has fire out of.

[B]

His mouth and Godzilla's more of a reptile.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I mean, I don't know who won those battles, but they were epic. I do know they were epic, and that's quite possible. What's going on now? But how does Elon, how does he come into the Jeffrey Epstein thing?

[A]

I'll tell you, because he is threatening all of a sudden. Because my favorite reality show right now is the Godzilla King Kong show with Elon and Trump. When they start to go at each other, it's like Housewives on double steroids for me.

[B]

So are they going at each other right now?

[A]

Elon is threatening to release the list and Trump is threatening to deport him.

[B]

Oh, to deport him. South Africa or where I was bringing people back from South. I mean, that too.

[A]

It depends on his mood, I guess.

[B]

Well, I mean, going back to, you know, the, the Epstein thing, really, the, you know, watching, which I did watch, the, the people, the women, the survivors, the, you know, the victims of. Yeah, it's really something to, to hear them, to, to, to see their.

[A]

Are you kidding?

[B]

To see their emotion. And, and then at the exact moment that they were revealing what happened to them, Trump office, surrounded by all this gold stuff that he's put there, was saying that it was a hoax. The whole thing was a hoax.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And I go, but these actual human beings are standing there looking in the camera saying how they were hurt so badly by these people.

[A]

So again, what does he have to hide? What is his cover up? Why is he so afraid of this? He has two daughters. Trump has two daughters.

[B]

And you would think that there would be some empathy there, but there does seem to be a lot of empathy in general in that administration. The whole empathy idea of empathy seems to be kind of taking a real bad step. Well, it's cruel, it seems. Yeah.

[A]

Without. Seems cruel for no reason.

[B]

Well, maybe just for cruelty's sake itself.

[A]

You know why? Because that's how autocrats set it up, so that you're scared, they're cruel. They take away all your rights and then you're scared. So you're afraid to speak up.

[B]

Of course, everybody's scared right now.

[A]

I mean, I'm not.

[B]

Well, you're not. But. But you know. You know, you've suffered.

[A]

I probably should be.

[B]

Well, you know, I laugh. You did the Apprentice twice. So you're in the. You're in their whole consciousness. They know you and, you know, they maybe follow you. And if you say stuff that is going to piss off, you know, you know, the golden calf, you could get into trouble. I mean, you've gotten into trouble before there. And so. But, you know, most people would go, I don't want the IRS to come after me or to audit me. So I'm going to be quiet. You know, I'm not going to go out in the streets and protest because, you know, I could. Facial recognition, they could find out who I am, and then, you know, I could get audited by the IRS or investigated for being anti American or whatever.

[A]

Or have mortgage fraud or mortgage.

[B]

I mean, how many of us have filled out every form that we've ever gotten when we've gotten a mortgage? How have we ever have. You always filled them out perfectly, I'm sure.

[A]

Or like when you get a car, all those papers you have to sign.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

You sign this one.

[B]

You sign them. You sign them. You sign them. Yeah. And, yeah, they're trying to find the thinnest threads that they could find to go after people. I mean, whatever it is. But the same way they do it in this, they did it in the Soviet Union and they do it in Russia. In Russia, for example, if they don't like you, they find tax fraud. That's the way they get. That's where they got Bill Browder. It's where they got Magnitsky. And all the people in Russia that they found were, quote, unquote, breaking the law in some way, and they were able to imprison them and shut them up.

[A]

Right. They put them in prison.

[B]

In prison.

[A]

But, you know, and they poisoned them, too.

[B]

And that's. Trust me, that's going to start happening here.

[A]

I'm in a situation. Well, and maybe it already has. I mean, no one's proven how Epstein actually died. There's a minute missing from the tape. Allegedly.

[B]

It's been a confusing rollout of facts around the video and Epstein dying. No one has really come out and said, this is exactly what happens, or this is what we know has happened based upon all of the footage that we've seen, et cetera. It's quite muddled and quite confused. It's like they use a word salad every time they try to talk about that to confuse us, I think.

[A]

And it works.

[B]

Well, yeah, confusion works. And you know, propaganda works, lies seem to work.

[A]

Well. I just, I think it's so important to talk about the survivors. And I think that they deserve to have the redacted files come out with their names redacted so that they can move forward.

[B]

But I heard one of them say yesterday in the press conference that they would like to see the files on them.

[A]

That's what I thought was interesting. They would like to see their own file.

[B]

Like, what are these files, files saying about them? You know, and they don't know what the files are saying about them. And the only way to see that and to, to view that would be in an unredacted way. So their names would have to be unredacted so they could see what they, what their, the files are saying about them. Because they don't know. So I don't know. I mean, I think that the redact. A lot of the survivors, from what I can tell, would like to see everything released. Maybe there are more who would like the whole thing to go away and want to stay anonymous. But from what I can see so far, most of them really want this all to come out. And maybe there's some who don't. But you would think that people would be hearing that and be going, okay, if the victims, if the survivors wanted.

[A]

To come out, wouldn't you want to do that for them so that they could have some form of healing of some kind? Because these women are now what, maybe in their mid-30s, 30s, and yeah, probably 40s. And they had this happen to them when they were 14.

[B]

Well, that's another thing. So when we heard the press conference, the way this had been sort of framed for us is that a 17 year old girl was brought into Epstein's circle and was abused. But when you find out that they were 14 and 13, that's what we didn't really know.

[A]

Well, I knew it.

[B]

I didn't know that.

[A]

I knew that.

[B]

I thought the youngest person was 17, 14. Oh my God.

[A]

17. They're almost too old. He farms them out at 18. 18, you're done. You gotta get new ones in. And that's what Ghislaine did. She was the mastermind in bringing him.

[B]

I mean, and it's so brazen how she is lying, just totally lying in order to get favors from the government.

[A]

That's what she did when she testified, when she was on trial.

[B]

And from what I understand, the base, the die hard hardcore base is saying, that's enough. That's all we needed to hear is Ghislaine Maxwell saying that Trump had nothing. I've heard this. That the base, the hardcore base, is accepting this as vindication for him. This is the base of people who, no matter what he does, he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and not lose any votes.

[A]

Yeah, but this was an issue for them. Look at Marjorie Taylor Greene. She is literally hugging Ro Khanna. Ro Khanna.

[B]

I mean, that. Yeah, I know.

[A]

So it's not. It's bipartisan to a degree. It's bipartisan to a degree. Yes.

[B]

And that that particular person is coming out and, you know, and actually crossing the line. Crossing over.

[A]

But will she vote? Because he said any Republican that votes yes is a hostile.

[B]

We'll be doing a hostile act. Right.

[A]

Hostile act.

[B]

Which. Now just consider that.

[A]

What's a hostile act?

[B]

Well, for a person of authority like the President of the United States to threaten his. That's what he's doing, to threaten them by saying, if you vote one way, it's a hostile act. Meaning that a hostile. He always says, if I get punched, I'm going to punch back 10 times harder. Right. That's his. What he learned from the lawyer Cohen. Yeah.

[A]

Roy Cohn. Roy Cone.

[B]

Roy Cone.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. You know, it always. Never admit the truth and never apologize.

[A]

Never admit the truth.

[B]

Punch back harder.

[A]

Punch back harder.

[B]

So that's his ethos. And. And that's what will happen here, you.

[A]

Know, so my question to you is inspection in speculation. Do you think people like Marjorie will come out and vote? Yes.

[B]

It's on its way toward a vote on the House floor. And I don't know. I mean, people seem to be so afraid of the president and that he's created this ring of fear around him that it's quite possible that he could get away with this one, too. You never know. I mean, ultimately, I think karma in the long run is going to get. Look, I keep saying this. I'll say it again. There are going to be books and movies and songs and poems written about this time for the next couple of centuries. And there are going to be good guys and they're going to be bad guys, and it's there. Somebody's going to come along like Homer and write a fantastical piece on this particular moment in history. And, I mean, it's pretty obvious who the good guys are going to be and pretty obvious who the bad guys are going to be. I don't know. I guess we have to wait and see. Time will tell.

[A]

Yeah, I guess.

[B]

But in the meantime, we got, you know, we're losing all of our checks and balances in the government. And it looks like there's a steamroller rolling toward authoritarianism. And it's actually kind of happened already. I mean, you and I, we were talking about being frogs in a very slowly boiling pot of water the last couple of years, and I think the water has started to boil, and I think maybe the frog is no longer with us.

[A]

Well, then what?

[B]

That's a good question. Then what?

[A]

Then what?

[B]

When you don't have any authority out there, who can hold the top people accountable, then? Since the Constitution basically is about we the people, ultimately it comes down to we the people, you know, so you can use the ballot box or we can use the street, whichever comes first.

[A]

And that's why he's sending troops to the blue cities.

[B]

Very well. Me why there are troops in these cities because they're anticipating trouble. They're anticipating there could be the people with pitchforks in the streets, and he'll have the troops there already just to fend them off if they start to protest. I remember in the last administration, the time that he walked across the street with a Bible and cleared out all of that. That was pretty intense. I mean, he. He didn't care about anybody. And he said, let's shoot him in the legs.

[A]

Oh, right, yeah.

[B]

If they start to protest and shoot him in the legs. So I go, okay, that could be the posture that they're going to have going forward with all these troops in the streets.

[A]

Here's my question. How does someone like Pam Bondi and Stephen Miller and these people that he has, how do they go for him hook, line, and sinker the way that they have?

[B]

And Russell Vogt, it could be. Look, it's Project 2025 and Project 2025, which was kind of in the works for years as they tried to figure out how they could deconstruct the institutions in the United States and deconstruct the government to the point where there was no obstacle between them and a total authoritarianism. And I think that's where we are right now. All the obstacles have been removed. The last thing we've got are the courts. And whether or not the courts ultimately hold up the rule of law remains to be seen. A lot of these issues that have been in the lower courts, where some of the things that he has tried to do have been denied, and a.

[A]

Lot is coming up right now.

[B]

They're going to go to the Supreme Court. These things, like three or four of these main issues that are about to be put before the court are going to determine where we are as a country a year from now, because if the Supreme Court comes down on the side of authoritarianism, we're kind of screwed. Yeah, you know, we will have lost our democracy at that point. So we're hoping that the Supreme Court will hold. But, you know, there's always the possibility that the Supreme Court, which has demonstrated already that it will give him as much latitude as he wants, they could be part of the whole idea of moving our democracy toward an authoritarian system.

[A]

And why would they want to do that?

[B]

There could be that they see the rest of the world going authoritarian. And if China's authoritarian and Russia's authoritarian and India's authoritarian, and then some of the European countries authoritarian, then they can make things happen quicker. That's much quicker than democracy requires. Is icky. It's a little bit. It's like making sausage, making laws. So it takes time and effort, and there's a lot of controversy. But in an authoritarian government, an authoritarian just says, says, create belt and road. We're going to go into countries all over the world and we're going to help them develop their ports and their train stations, et cetera, which will give us a kind of inroad into their societies and their cultures, and they make it happen. But if we wanted to do that in the United States, we would have to first establish that we wanted to do it. Then we would have to go to Congress and we'd have to lobby Congress and get them to pass a law, and then the president has to sign that law. And then two years later, when a new Congress comes in, they could take that law and take it away. They could say, oh, no, we wanted to do American belt and road. Okay, fine. So we get that passed by the government. Two years later, another Congress comes in and basically says, we don't want belt and road anymore. Get rid of it.

[A]

Yeah, but it's worked fine so far. It's worked just fine. You mean our system, our democracy, I would say, has worked just fine.

[B]

I agree with you. It has. It takes a little more time. But I'm just asking. I'm answering your question. The Supreme Court want to endorse the idea of America becoming less of a democracy and more of an autocracy. Nobody's arguing with them. They just do it because he's an autocrat.

[A]

Yeah, but how do you feel about him saying the other day, I'm the President of the United States and I can do whatever I want?

[B]

Well, that's a really scary thing to hear somebody say. And I mean, no president that I have ever read about or heard about. And maybe there are ones from, from the 17th or 18th century that I don't know, maybe this is the first time this has ever happened. This show is sponsored by Liquid iv. Okay, so every time I fly, I know that I'm getting dehydrated because I get so dried out when I fly. Especially if I'm flying a long flight from LA to New York or whatever. Liquid iv. All I gotta do is undo the packet, pour it into a glass of water and bam, I'm hydrated. Hydrated. It's one of the easiest things you can do to get total hydration. I mean, water's great, but if you add Liquid IV to it, then it becomes like mega hydration. One stick of liquid IV in 16 ounces of water is more hydrating than water alone for sure. And you get 100% of the daily value of four essential B vitamins. B3, B5, B6 and B12. And that's an excellent source of vitamin C too. It is on the go, hydration. That's why I always take it when I travel. I get on the plane, first thing I do is ask the flight attendant to bring me a glass of water, throw some liquid IV in there and I'm hydrated for the rest of the flight. And it's hot, hot these summer days, right? I mean, the need for hydration is becoming more and more essential. I mean, summer's almost over, so savor the last bits of summer with Liquid iv. Take it to the beach, take it camping whenever you're going where it might be too hot. And by the way, Liquid IV has three times the electrolytes of the leading sports drink. I mean, how can you go wrong? It's got eight essential vitamins and nutrients, always non gmo, vegan, gluten free, dairy free and soy free. What's not to like? So savor the last bits of summer with Liquid IV. Tear pour live more. Go to LiquidIV.com and get 20% off your first order with Code Rinna at checkout. That's 20% off your first order with code [e-mail].

[C]

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[B]

We're in a situation that I've never heard of before in American politics where someone has created this much fear and gathered this much power around their presidency. It's just a. It's a new thing.

[A]

It is. It's a new thing and a scary thing. It's scary, definitely.

[B]

So the question is, what do we do about it? And, you know, people, I suppose, are going out in the streets a little bit once in a while, but you'd think there would be a bigger reaction to what's going on right now.

[A]

Well, it just feels like everyone, because of social media and because of the way we're getting our news. I was watching. I think I was watching one of the news channels. They were talking about that today how because of misinformation. Because there's so much out there that people are getting misinformation, and their local news isn't happening so much anymore. Local news is going away. So people, like in a small town, this guy was saying he grew up in a town of 970 people, and they had their local newspaper and they trusted that. They trusted those. The questions and the answers. And let's say they were talking about health and vaccines and whatnot. They looked to their local newspaper to give them the answers that they needed, and they bought that and they trusted it. Now that's gone. The local newspaper's gone.

[B]

So the paper's just gone because it didn't make it.

[A]

Yeah, because it's not funded anymore. And so people are going to say TikTok and Instagram and whatnot. And there's a lot of misinformation. You know, let's talk about just the CDC and the vaccines and that going on. People are getting misinformation, Fear grows. You go, oh, my God, I don't wanna vaccinate my children. All of a sudden, measles is, you know, hugely on the rise again, when it was totally, pretty much almost eradicated, I think.

[B]

Yeah, measles, mumps, all of those childhood diseases are gonna come back if we don't continue to mandate vaccinations.

[A]

Well. And all of a sudden he's going to take all our vaccines away.

[B]

Well, yeah, it's pretty crazy, everything that's going on now. And it seems to be a reaction to the base. The base is very upset with the way things have gone for them, I guess. NAFTA was the trade deal between Canada and Mexico that took place during the Clinton administration, and then the. And the Obama administration and then was redone by Trump in his first administration. That, I think, basically left a lot of people out in the dark, out in the cold.

[A]

Meaning, like.

[B]

Well, I mean, the trade deal that engendered more trade deals that allowed for offshoring. So people started to go offshore to put together, iPhones to put together.

[A]

Oh. So the business left, business left the.

[B]

State, the manufacturing left because of these trade deals, you know, and, you know, the world opened up over the last 30 years. There's been, you know, this globalization effort that has happened. So this is like.

[A]

But is that a good thing?

[B]

Well, I mean, up to a point. Inevitably up to a point, it's a good thing. Except when, you know, all of a sudden you have an adversary like China, who for some reason has now become adversarial. They were not for a long time, but now they seem adversarial. So a lot of our supply chain comes from China. So if China and the United States get into a fight of some kind, and China can say, we're not g these chips to America, and Americans say, we're not giving these chips to China or we're not selling this oil or we're going to sanction you. If you buy oil from this country, all these things start to happen, and you go, wait a minute. But we're dependent upon China for our supply chain. If they cut off little parts that we need for X, Y and Z, if we can't get those parts, all of a sudden we're screwed. Which is what happened during the pandemic. And when the supply chain could dry it up and we saw, well, how dependent we were on other countries and other places, and we went, whoa, okay, so we better isolate, bring the manufacturing back to this country. So the supply chain is under our own roof. We're not dependent on anybody else. So that's kind of what happened with the globalization effort. And then everybody realized during the pandemic, whoa, we're dependent on other people. We better now become autonomous so we don't have to be dependent on China or Japan or Vietnam or any of these other countries for our supply chain.

[A]

But that didn't happen. That's not really happening.

[B]

Well, I mean, that's what they say. All these tariffs are there to get people to start manufacturing the United States.

[A]

Yeah, but it'll take, like, 10 years for these companies to Build factories and things. I think it's crazy.

[B]

It is crazy because the timing doesn't work and there's going to be a big lag in the ability to bring manufacturing back to the US and the supply chain. It's going to be. Look, we're in a big mess right now. I mean, a big mess has been created, and it's going to be revealed how much bigger it is. Especially if the Supreme Court comes down on the side of the law when it comes to these tariffs.

[A]

Right, because they've said that tariffs are illegal.

[B]

The tariffs are illegal. And the Supreme Court now has a Sophie's Choice to make. Because no matter what choice they make in coming down on this issue, it's going to be very bad for the country.

[A]

Because if they say the tariffs are illegal, they would have to pay them all back.

[B]

Well, that's one way to look at it. Yeah. If all of the tariffs that have been imposed have been illegal, or some of them, enough of them so that the tariffs themselves were an illegal tax on the people, then the people had to be paid back.

[A]

And how do you keep track of.

[B]

The people that means that? Because think about it. You know, I know some guy who has a card shop on Ventura Boulevard whose cards came from China, had to pay, like a huge tariff tax for a couple of months and maybe spent, you know, four or $5,000 more than they would have had there not been a tariff tariff. That person deserves that money back.

[A]

I know, but how would they keep track of that?

[B]

I don't know. That's why it's Sophie's Choice for the Supreme Court. Because if they come down on the side of the tariffs are legal, then the tariffs keep going. And the same junk that's happening right now, prices are going to go up. Prices have gone up, and supply chains are going to dry up.

[A]

They've gone up.

[B]

Prices are going up everywhere. I mean, every store I go into, I look around and I see somebody on their knees putting new price tags, really? On new stuff. And I asked this one woman a couple weeks ago, I said, so how often are you having to come out and put new price tags on stuff? And she said, we're doing it every day.

[A]

Every day.

[B]

So the prices are going up every day.

[A]

So, yeah, I know my market bill. And listen, we're very lucky. We're very. You and I, very lucky. We're very lucky. But I will say, you go to that market, that bill is higher.

[B]

Well, I noticed it. Everyone, you know, I noticed it when I was away for a Month and a half I came back, I went to the market, I bought the exact same stuff that I always buy. And instead of it being 180 bucks a week, it was like 220.

[A]

See, I'm sure everybody's going, wow. Lisa and Harry are just really like, we could almost be teachers at this point.

[B]

What, what are you saying?

[A]

The way that we're talking about this, I think it's very relatable. I think it just makes it talkable. I think it makes you understand what's going on instead of, like, what's going on. I think we're breaking it down quite nicely, if I may say.

[B]

Once again, we're not experts and we're, you know, we're just people, so whatever.

[A]

But we're living it.

[B]

Whatever we're saying, we're just living it. Yeah, I think life, you know, human life is really extemporaneous anyway. I mean, we're always making it up as we go along. So we're doing the best we can. We put it that way.

[A]

We all are. But I think they can do better over there in Washington.

[B]

Are you kidding me? Yeah. No, it's a tough moment. It's a very tough moment.

[A]

I would like to see those files released, though, just to be done with it. I think everybody would.

[B]

Well, I mean, they're gonna keep holding on as long as they can and trying to stretch this out and hoping that the American public forgets about it.

[A]

I don't think they're gonna forget about this one.

[B]

They're not gonna forget about it.

[A]

That's a thing. Not this one.

[B]

No. This one.

[A]

They're not this one. They're not gonna forget this one. So I wanna see them come out. I wanna see justice for these women. Because so often women are not believed in these situations. You know, it's really tricky. I listened to one person, one woman come out and say, you know, I couldn't talk about this for years and years. You know, it's so shameful and it's so horrible. A lot of women can't even share it with anyone.

[B]

No, I totally buy that.

[A]

And when they share it, look what happens. They're not believed. The perpetrators usually get off.

[B]

Well, how about Ghislaine Maxwell is positioning herself as a victim right now? Yeah. Okay.

[A]

And she, by the way, she should be sent back to her maximum security prison. I'm gonna say that right here.

[B]

Of course she should.

[A]

She should not be with Jen Shaw and the Blood Lady. Who's the Blood lady? The drop of blood lady. Elizabeth Holmes. Elizabeth Theranos. She's over there in the prison country club, they say. I mean, I don't know. That's what I hear. And she shouldn't be.

[B]

Well, I mean, it's so obvious. It's a quid pro quo. I mean, she said Trump had nothing to do with it, and they put her in a cushy, cushy club prison. I mean, it's obvious she's no other explanation for it.

[A]

And sentenced to 20 years for it's corrupt, sex trafficking.

[B]

It is 100% corrupt, period. And the corruption that is going on in Washington right now, in our face, is unbelievable.

[A]

I know, but I, I feel like it will take its toll on the people that are doing it, because I don't think you ever get away with it. At the end of the day, karma is going to come for you, period.

[B]

No, it's absolutely true. No one who has ever tried to do what they're doing has succeeded for a long time and been able to say, oh, yeah, we're on the right side of history. Twenty years later, they are going to be on the wrong side of history, all of these people. And it's kind of like if they do end up on the wrong side of history, how would they be defined? Would they be defined as patriots in the long run? Or would they be defined as Benedict Arnold? Or would they be defined as not patriots?

[A]

But I do have faith that the truth always prevails. I do. I have faith that you do good acts, you live your life in a clean, honest way. It will serve you much better than if you're a thief, murderer, fraud, fraud. You can never get away with it. After a while, the boogeyman's gonna come for you. I believe that.

[B]

Well, I think you're absolutely right. And it's our value system. And we have a, a very specific value system that we have engendered in our family and with our kids and all that and our friends and everything. And I see a clash of values because the value system that's taking place in Washington is completely antithetical to our value system.

[A]

Well, and what is that teaching the children? What is it teaching the young kids today that are growing up in these households where people that actually think this is a good thing or see the cruelty and the things that are going on and go, oh, okay, well, then going to do that because, look, they're doing it.

[B]

Exactly. I mean, this whole idea of an unfiltered conversation, oh, I'm not going to be politically correct. I'm going to say, what's the first thing on my mind, and whatever that is, extremely dangerous. There should be a filter between. Especially if you're in a position of power like that. There needs to be plenty of filtering between the first thought and then what you say, because words matter. And this whole idea of, oh, we're gonna be. We're not gonna be politically correct, and we're gonna say whatever we want or whatever has gotten us into a tremendous amount of trouble.

[A]

And how does it affect the kids? No one really talks about that. The kids are paying attention at all times. They're watching their parents. They're like little sponges. They pick up on everything. So what is it gonna do to the young people?

[B]

But when they hear the President of the United States in the Oval Office using the F word, saying, bullshit. Yeah. I mean, come on. It's definitely not teaching the values that I grew up with. When I put my hand on my heart and said, pledge allegiance to the flag, I thought of my country's values a certain way.

[A]

Well, we were taught that. And we had respect for this country and the people that run it and.

[B]

The rule of law. And the rule of law right over might. And also, you know, being compassionate.

[A]

And now where is the compassion?

[B]

Compassionate. Now you.

[A]

For God's sakes.

[B]

And it's. It's become a bad word. Compassion and empathy have become dirty words.

[A]

You know, I am. I am woke, honey.

[B]

Me, too.

[A]

I mean, I am proud of being woke.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, we have compassion. We have empathy for other human beings and for animals and for life on Earth. You know, the. The other side of that coin is just abject cruelty. And it's happening on a daily basis, completely sanctioned by our government. Look, you and I have both studied a lot about being alive, being humans, being married, being empathetic people, being parents, all of that. We've dived heavily into that. And you look at the kind of people that are running our government right now, and they are cruel, they are unempathetic, they are unsympathetic.

[A]

And I don't understand it. I don't understand it. Especially for me, the women. When I watch the women be cruel, and they're being cruel, I think. I don't like that.

[B]

Yeah, it's a.

[A]

And I find it highly. I'm like, how did you get there, girl? How'd you get there? Like, what happened to you, Kristi Noem? What the hell happened to you?

[B]

Well, I think power and possibly money in the long run.

[A]

Is somebody paying these women? Because women work well with money. Like, are they getting paid a lot. What is happening?

[B]

For some reason, they've joined this bandwagon that is basically heading into a box canyon. It can't really go anywhere else. I mean, it's. It's gonna smash into itself. I don't think there's any way for this to come out very well for these people.

[A]

Well, good luck. Good luck to you girls. Yeah, and boys, but girls, especially for me.

[B]

I'm like, that's sad, isn't it?

[A]

It is so sad.

[B]

We're gonna save it. I'm an optimist, and I believe that the good intentions of good people in this country will ultimately win the day. Yeah.

[A]

Who do you think's gonna win, Godzilla or King Kong?

[B]

Well, who's representing what? Let's say that the. The Reptilians are the bad guys and God. And King Kong's the good guy. King Kong's the good guy because King Kong, remember, King Kong did have a lot of empathy for Fay Wray in the movie. You know, Remember, he loves her. He loves her, the whole thing. So King Kong is more. Would be less reptilian anyway than Godzilla. So let's hope that King Kong wins, and let's hope that the good guys, the King Kongs of the world.

[A]

All right. Do you think we're going to be helpful or piss people off with this podcast?

[B]

Oh, you mean the reaction to this podcast? I don't know. I think that. Look, the country's divided right now. There are people who are listening to one. There used to be before the Reagan administration, and I think it was called the Fairness Doctrine. Maybe Eve, you can check on this. There was a thing where every broadcast outlet, if a Republican came on and did half an hour.

[A]

Oh, yes.

[B]

They had to have a Democrat come on and balance it out.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I think it was called the Fairness Doctrine.

[A]

Yeah. The Fairness Doctrine was a policy that required holders of broadcast licenses to both present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that fairly reflected differing viewpoints.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Where'd that go?

[B]

So Reagan got rid of it.

[A]

Oh, he did get rid of it. Oh, he did.

[B]

He got rid of the Fairness Doctrine. I think maybe by executive order, we have to find out how that happened. But that happened during his administration, and that allowed Fox to become an independent station with propaganda. And so, you know, like, they come on. Fox had to pay $700 million.

[A]

I know, but that's gone. Nobody's talking about that anymore.

[B]

But that was because they lied.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And they just told a fib. Big fib. And all these lies ultimately gonna catch up with these people. But.

[A]

But people pay attention. And a lot of people that we know and are friends with are doing that and going along with that sort of thing. And that's been a little bit of a conundrum.

[B]

The people that we know who went along with it are doing along their cosmos of the tax situation because they're wealthy people who don't want to pay a lot of tax.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so they support it. But I think that a lot of those people are going, whoa. They might have, like, voters remorse at this point because they're going, we didn't expect this to happen. Okay. We expected to save a little money.

[A]

Yeah. You just don't really want to see this cruelty. We want to save money, but we don't really want to see the cruelty.

[B]

We don't want to see the democracy go away.

[A]

And by the way, did your egg price go down? Down or did it go up? Because wasn't that a big deal during the.

[B]

It was, yeah. The prices are going up. They're not going down anyway, but there you go.

[A]

Well, that was exciting.

[B]

Are you talking about the podcast?

[A]

Yeah, that was actually. I mean, I think it's surprising that people won't think that we would actually talk about that. I mean, we have had to be careful, but, you know, we were kind of like, you know, let's just talk a little bit about it. Not much, just like a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, Well, I think it's very important because it's what's happening happening right now to us. And we have been like frogs in a very slowly boiling pot of water, and the water's boiling. I mean, it's happened. We are now in an authoritarian state, so who knows what'll happen from now on? But we'll keep your eye on the Supreme Court.

[A]

Yeah. Anyway, well, yeah, on that light note.

[B]

Thank you so much for checking in. What's not so much?

[A]

We'll make the next. Next one more fun, guys. But we needed to just be a little bit.

[B]

Yeah, well, honest.

[A]

Honest, yes. Good. So we'll see you next time. We'll be silly and, you know, who knows what we'll talk about. We'll answer some questions. I got some things to say. Always.

[B]

So do you have something to say?

[A]

I will.

[B]

Well, here's the place to say it.

[A]

Well, I'm going to do the next one.

[B]

Thanks, everybody.

[A]

Bye. Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[B]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[A]

Yeah, and if you liked what you.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

And I'm HarryRhamlin on Instagram.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So see you next week.

[A]

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