Let's Talk About The Headlines: Taylor Swift, AI Actresses & Real Housewives Rumors

Summary

Podcast Summary: Let's Not Talk About The Husband

Episode: Let's Talk About The Headlines: Taylor Swift, AI Actresses & Real Housewives Rumors
Hosts: Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin
Air Date: October 17, 2025
Duration: ~39 minutes

Episode Overview

This episode sees Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin, the iconic Hollywood couple, dig into current pop culture headlines and swap stories about bizarre industry rumors, the challenge of viral internet moments, their "backup career" plans, industry AI trends, and the nitty-gritty realities of their domestic life. With playful banter and classic Rinna-Hamlin charm, they address everything from Taylor Swift's latest album and AI actresses, to bizarre Real Housewives rumors and iconic fashion moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: New “Pooper Scooper” Business & Their Practical Skills

[00:32–02:36]

• Lisa and Harry riff on a roadside ad for a dog poop scooping service ("Call of Duty"), joking about their qualifications for the job due to a lifetime of pet ownership.
• They consider ridiculous "backup plans" for if Hollywood dries up, weaving in self-deprecating humor:
  • Lisa: "We're always looking for businesses, because we're just, like, always one step away..."
  • Harry: "I'm really good at scooping up poop, large poop and small poop."
• They trade quips about skills—fly swatting, rat-wrangling, poop-scooping—as absurd lifelines in tough times.

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2. Viral Rumors about Their Home Life & Real Housewives Fallout

[02:36–07:20]

• Lisa shares how rumors from her stint on "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" escalated, including bankruptcy, foreclosure, hoarding, and "rat infested" home stories inspired by social media posts.
  • Lisa: "Somebody on my Instagram said...I thought your house was in foreclosure. That's a rumor out there from the housewife world..." [03:55]
  • Harry (deadpan): "Whoever gets the house, they're going to get the rats along with the house."
• The couple laughs off these tall tales, noting how show-related drama fuels internet “haters” and rumors.

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3. Lisa’s Beauty “Hoarding” & Domestic Realities

[07:20–11:21]

• Lisa admits to “controlled hoarding” of beauty products, and Harry teases her about how skincare “fungus” overtakes the bathroom sink.
  • Harry: "The potions and the tinctures and the salves and the balms are growing like a fungus across the counter." [08:04]
• Lisa describes her rotating skincare routine as a "restaurant menu," resisting picking a favorite.
• They brainstorm bathroom storage solutions, leading to a dream of mirrored cabinets as a "manifestation" project.

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4. Headline Deep Dive: Taylor Swift’s “Life of a Showgirl”

[12:12–15:59]

• Lisa, a self-confessed former non-Swiftie, gushes over Taylor Swift’s new album: "I listened to the whole album. Loved it, loved it."
• She reflects on "Canceled," a standout track, connecting it to her own public figure “cancellation” moments:
  • Lisa: “I’m like a cockroach; you can never get rid of me.” [13:30]
• Harry confesses he’s never listened to a Taylor Swift song.
• They recount a chance hike encounter with Taylor Swift (plus bodyguard), segueing into the reality of celebrity fame/security and paparazzi culture, referencing a George Clooney run-in:
  • Harry: "He rolled his window down. He said, 'Nice to be well known or something…’" [15:12]

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5. Hollywood Paparazzi & Fame Barometers

[15:59–16:32]

• Lisa and Harry discuss paparazzi as an unlikely barometer for industry relevance.
  • Harry: "Your success barometer is how many paparazzi are waiting for you when you get to the market." [16:06]
• They joke about the movie "Soap Dish" and the psychological ups and downs of public recognition.

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6. TV & Streaming: “Monster: Ed Gein Story” and Lizzie Borden

[16:40–17:46]

• Lisa shares her fascination (and horror) watching Netflix’s "Monster: Ed Gein Story," confiding she had nightmares but admires the show’s quality.
• Teases buzz for the new Ryan Murphy-produced Lizzie Borden series, starring Annette Bening and Warren Beatty's daughter.

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7. Lisa’s Merch: Trucker & Bucket Hats, Viral Couture Moment

[17:46–24:46]

• Lisa talks about her upcoming merchandise—trucker hats, bucket hats, and “It’s Couture, Honey, Look at the Tag” tees.
  • Lisa is picky about hat “fabrication and construction” and explains her enduring love for trucker hats over baseball caps, while Harry prefers the reverse.
  • Their viral "It's couture, honey" meme from a Balenciaga Paris show is recounted, involving a “slightly cunty” French videographer, Louis Prijon.
    • Lisa: "Well, it is couture. Look at the tag, honey. It is couture...” [24:29]
  • The viral moment was even parodied on TV and by celebs.

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8. AI in Hollywood: Tilly Norwood, the Digital Actress

[32:47–36:13]

• The panel introduces AI actress "Tilly Norwood," the first digital star by Particle 6 Productions, sparking debate about the future of acting and computer-generated talent.
  • Harry: “She is an artificial actress? AI, is she any good?” [33:07]
• Lisa critiques Tilly’s “safe” look and questions the appeal of an AI star: “We have Scarlett Johansson and Natalie Portman. Thank you so much. We do not need an AI actor.”
• They discuss the industry implications: lower costs, no union issues, but “no soul.”
  • Lisa: “There's no making a soul in AI, so to me that's the difference." [34:52]
  • Harry (dryly): “How many movie stars have souls?” [35:02]
• They joke about Scooping Poop as fallback if AI takes all their jobs.

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9. Relationship Reflections & Everyday Life

[29:07–30:38]

• Harry and Lisa muse about their communication patterns, laughing about how podcasting became their venue for real conversation.
  • Lisa: “We don't talk to each other all week long. And then we come in here and we have a conversation..." [29:07]
• They swap notes on cooking at home, avoiding restaurant food, and Lisa’s upbringing marked by "a lot of Slim Jims."
  • Harry provides a comic breakdown of what a Slim Jim is for non-Americans: "An edible thing you get at a gas station...made of some strange spiced meat of some kind." [31:03]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Rumors:
  • Lisa: “The more hated you are on a show, the more rumor of this kind of magnitude happened.” [04:02]
• On Celebrity Resilience:
  • Lisa: "I'm like a cockroach. You can never get rid of me.” [13:30]
• On Viral Fashion Moments:
  • Lisa: “Well, it is couture. Look at the tag, honey. It is couture.” [24:29]
• On AI Actors and Hollywood:
  • Lisa: "There's no making a soul in AI, so to me that's the difference.” [34:52]
  • Harry: "How many movie stars have souls?" [35:02]
• On Backup Skills:
  • Harry: "I'm really good at scooping up poop, large poop and small poop." [06:34]
• On Fame:
  • Harry: "Your success barometer is how many paparazzi are waiting for you when you get to the market." [16:06]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:32: Backyard "Pooper Scooper" business riff
• 02:36: Real Housewives rumors & social media drama
• 07:20: Lisa’s beauty product “hoarding” and bathroom logistics
• 12:12: Taylor Swift’s “Life of a Showgirl” & celebrity encounters
• 15:59: Paparazzi as fame barometer, “Soap Dish” reference
• 16:55: "Monster: Ed Gein Story" impressions & true crime TV chat
• 17:46: Lisa’s merchandise brainstorm, “couture” meme story
• 24:29: The true story behind “It’s Couture, Honey” meme
• 32:47: Introduction of AI digital actress Tilly Norwood and industry implications
• 29:07: Candid marriage and communication reflections
• 31:03: Slim Jim explanation for international listeners

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Tone & Style

As ever, Lisa’s bold, comedic energy and Harry’s laconic, dry wit drive the episode. The vibe is candid, good-natured, and peppered with Hollywood-insider sarcasm, as the couple riff off each other and pop culture with equal parts affection and irreverence.

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For more episodes, catch “Let’s Not Talk About The Husband” every Friday on Dear Media.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[B]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[A]

And this is let's not Talk about the Husband.

[B]

We've been together for over 30 years and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[A]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell. And on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[B]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Hey, everybody, welcome back. One more time to let's not Talk about the Husband who's here sitting.

[A]

Does that surprise you when you go one more time like, like you're surprised that they would ever tune back in?

[B]

Well, of course I'm surprised. You know, I mean, we're always trying to cook stuff up, right? We cooked up this show and we cooked up, cooked up a bunch of businesses in our life. But when we're driving down here today, we were coming down Laurel Canyon and you looked over to the side and you saw a brand new business that we ought look into. Right? No, I mean, all of a sudden you said, what is this? And there's a sign in the, in the bushes for a new business that we'd never heard of before. And, and we're always trying to figure out what we could do next to, you know, scrape together a few shekels. And, and this one was called, I think it was called the Call of Duty.

[A]

Call of Duty. Pooper scooper. Scoop, something like that. They come to your house and pick up your dog.

[B]

Pick up your dog. Okay. So, yeah, there's a whole new. There's a cohort of people out there who you can call them up and they'll backyard or your house, maybe your house is full of dog and they'll pick up all the dog and you can go on your mountain, your daily business.

[A]

I giggled when I saw it. Well, didn't I? Because I've seen a lot of business.

[B]

We've seen a lot of businesses. That's a new one.

[A]

Wow, there must be a need for it.

[B]

And we're really good at scooping up poop. We scoop up poop every day, you know, and we do scoop. You're really. I've seen you do it.

[A]

You're very good at it.

[B]

I'm really good at it.

[A]

We're very good.

[B]

So we have skills.

[A]

We have pooper scoopers. One, two, three sets of them.

[B]

Three sets of pooper scoopers in different parts of the backyard so that you don't have to walk too far to get the scooper.

[A]

We could be hired out for this.

[B]

I'm thinking we've got skills, or we.

[A]

Could work for this company, or we create our own.

[B]

We've been scooping poop for how many years? I mean, we've had a dog. I've had a dog my whole life. So, I mean, scooping poop for a.

[A]

Long time, but with a Rottweiler, the poop scooping is.

[B]

It's a little. It's a lot bigger than with a little terrier.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The poop scoop is like a poop scoop for the terrier and for the. Well, it's a poop scoop. Yeah. So. But we're good at it. And if we ever fall on hard times, I know we can do this.

[A]

We're always looking for businesses because we're just, like, always one step away from. It's so funny. You know, speaking of the Internet, we're going to talk about headlines and stuff today, but somebody on my Instagram said, because they saw you and me dancing together, I had a couple of comments when they saw us dancing in the kitchen, which, by the way, has not been remodeled because it will never. Probably be, because Harry won't let me. But that's another story, and I'll tell.

[B]

You why that is.

[A]

Because he loves it.

[B]

Well, the kitchen. The kitchen is a work of art.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

You know, it's like she. Imagine the kitchen is a Picasso painting. Okay. And would you take a Picasso painting and then remodel it?

[A]

I mean, probably not.

[B]

Okay, well, that's the thing about the kitchen. It was this very specific Pierre deux kitchen, and it was done that way on purpose. It's not. It wasn't random. And it will never age because it is a Pierre do work of art.

[A]

1980S Pierre du Work of art. Anyway, the people are saying, some of the people.

[B]

The people.

[A]

Some of the people.

[B]

You use this term, the people. I mean, is that like everyone call.

[A]

It the people because they're just out there dangling.

[B]

So wait a minute.

[A]

They're called the dangler.

[B]

Dangling like a dang.

[A]

Yeah, let me call them danglers. A couple of the danglers said what?

[B]

You're calling people danglers?

[A]

Yeah, these people. I thought your house was in foreclosure. That's a rumor out there from the housewife world, because it is.

[B]

Our house is in foreclosure.

[A]

Yes. First of all, it was a hoarder's nightmare. They were trying to push. I swear to God, the more hated you are on a show, the more rumor of this kind of magnitude happened. So last year on the show, I was so hated. I. We were living in a pigsty with hoarding. Like, we could have been on Hoarders. They said.

[B]

So that's when you got all kinds of junk in the house and you.

[A]

Can'T even get hoarders. It's. It's a. It's like a disaster area. And it's unhealthy and unhealthy. And now the house is in foreclosure. Don't you know that? And we're filing for bankruptcy. Did you know that?

[B]

When did this happen?

[A]

Well, this happened when I posted the Taylor Swift video, so I'm not sure when we were in. I don't believe we've ever been in foreclosure nor bankruptcy, but we are just so. You know.

[B]

Well, I hope you have a good bankruptcy lawyer.

[A]

The haters say we are. So anyway, we're not.

[B]

No, we're not. We're good.

[A]

We're good. I just think it's so funny. And then. Oh, that the rats took over. That we live with the rats. Like a. Like an infestation with the rats. Because remember, I did the rat storyline. I told the story about how we were having a rat issue at the time. We weren't living with them per se. They were just getting in the house.

[B]

Rats were there before we were. I mean, they live in the hills. We had. We live in the hills. Thank God we were fortunate enough to. To live in the Hollywood Hills. And we lived there and. And the rats live there, too.

[A]

We did stop them from coming in the house finally. And that served our purpose. We stopped them. They're not in the house anymore. They're in the basement. They're in the garage. Pretty hard to keep them in the basement, the shack.

[B]

They're in the walls. Every once in a while you hear them scratching in the walls, and then.

[A]

They die in the walls. And then.

[B]

That hasn't happened for a long time. There was one time, years and years ago, I had to get a fishing rod. Remember? I had to break a hole in the wall and get a fishing rod. I blanked this out and I had to cast into the wall and see if I could snag a dead rat with a l. A fishing rod. And I did it. I got it. I got the little sucker behind the washing machine. This like 25 years ago.

[A]

So gross. You could do that for a living, too. If it gets bad, get the rats.

[B]

Out of the walls and get the.

[A]

Poop walls and climb under the houses.

[B]

You know, I. Every once in a while I have to remind myself of the skills that I have that I don't think about that major skills. I mean, I have kill. I can. I can. I'm a really damn good fly swatter, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, you see me swat those flies in the kitchen. Yeah. So I'm a good fly swatter. I can get a dead rat out of a wall. And I'm unbelievably good at scooping up poop, large poop and small poop.

[A]

And you're good at wrangling rattlesnakes and putting them in the trash can and driving them down.

[B]

Okay. That's another thing I can do. I can wrangle snakes. We're fine. No bankruptcy here. There's all kinds of stuff we can do.

[A]

No house foreclosure.

[B]

Whoever gets the house, they're going to get the rats along with the house and the poop. And the poop. Right.

[A]

If we decide not to pick it up, we just leave it. What if we just. Okay, I will say if we left it, like, let's say we didn't pick it up for a week. Okay, good. It's good to know that we have backup so the house doesn't foreclose and I don't have to become a hoarder.

[B]

What would we hoard if we were to hoard? What would you. You would hoard handbags?

[A]

Well, here's the thing. I'm sort of a hoarder in a sense. I. I do have hoarding tendencies.

[B]

Well, you could take the word hoard, you could take the RD out of it, and you're left with. And you. You could be a clothes hoard.

[A]

I'm for sure a.

[B]

You know, you're a hoard, not a hoarder, but you're definitely a fashion.

[A]

Well, but here's the thing. If you go to the bathroom, we can. We can talk about it. I have hoarded many beauty products, and you do have to live within the realm of them. And I want to apologize because it is a little bit much.

[B]

You're apologizing to me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, I did mention last night, I said we should talk about, you know, the. The way that the countertop in the kitchen, you know, in the. In the bathro room is like the. The potions and the tinctures and the salves and the balms are growing like a fungus across the counter.

[A]

As I age, they get more and more and more.

[B]

Because you have to stave off the Grim Reaper. Right. Or whatever. So. And you look great, by the way. I mean, whatever you're doing, I'm not complaining.

[A]

Okay, thank you there.

[B]

You know, I'm not complaining because.

[A]

But I do have a lot. I looked and I was like, okay, that's controlled hoarding right there. Now, I know the ladies out there are shaking their head going, oh, my God. She's like, me, I've got so much shit in the bathroom. So many bottles, so many this, so many that.

[B]

But how long would it take you if you. If you used all of those things?

[A]

Well, I would never. You don't use them all at the same time.

[B]

When. When do you use them? And I mean, what.

[A]

Morning and evening. You have to do your skincare, Harry. Morning and evening. And what I like about it is, it's like a restaurant. I can say, oh, I want to go here. I want to have this meal today or the morning, I'm going to have this. And for the evening I'm going to have this. I mix it up. I'm like my own beautician.

[B]

So. And which one works the best? I mean, is there a tincture or a salve or a balm or some kind of a cream that you can put on? You notice immediately that it's like you're getting younger sometimes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which one is it? I mean, we're going to do a little commercial here for the best.

[A]

Well, it can go from Dr. Barbara Sturm. It can go to.

[B]

But which. Which product? But something goes.

[A]

Glow cream with some oil and some hydro hyaluronic acid and some glow serum. That's a good combo.

[B]

So is that one. If you. If you were to pick one thing to go on a desert island, if you had take one, like, routine with you, which one would it be? That one.

[A]

Oh, that's not fair. I don't like to have to pick because I have it all laid out so I can go, oh, today I feel like doing this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, I have a cornucopia of skin products that I can mix around. I just go off of whatever I feel in the moment and I like it. It's just messy. A little bit messy.

[B]

So you just need to give me. I need to eat my own counter and I need my own place to shave.

[A]

You know what I'd really like? Like, if I could live in a world where I had a handyman at my beck and call 24 7.

[B]

You do, sort of. You have me.

[A]

But if you could just decide in any moment what you need to build to make your life easier, here's what I would do. I would take the two big mirrors in there and create two cabinets that you open up. And the same size as the mirrors because they're big. You have shelves. You. You dig in. So it goes in. And then you have all these shelves and all that shit on the counter can go behind the mirror.

[B]

So the mirror's on a hinge.

[A]

The mirror's on a hinge. It opens up and your skin care is all in there, lined up beautifully. And then you can close the mirror. I think I need to make that happen, actually, now that I've just brought it and manifested it in this room. I don't know how you dig the hole behind them. Like, you have to cut a.

[B]

That's where the handyman comes in a shelf thing. It has a saw.

[A]

So it's got to be about this big, this wide. And then you.

[B]

That. That you. What you were doing was just showing a space that's about 6. 6 inches. And that's, you know, normally those things in a wall. A wall is 4 inches. So normally.

[A]

How would you do that?

[B]

Normally those things. And there's one in the. In the other bathroom already in the wall behind the mirror.

[A]

Which one?

[B]

In the kids bathroom, there's a. Behind it, the mirror. There's one of those things that you're talking about.

[A]

Nobody knows that.

[B]

What?

[A]

Nobody knows that is in that bathroom.

[B]

So it's a good place to hide.

[A]

So they grew up the whole time in their life and they don't know that that's there.

[B]

They don't know that it's there. And they could have hidden all their bad contraband back there.

[A]

Okay, well, now we need to make that happen in our bathroom. Think about it. Everything will be off the counter. It'll just be free and clear in there because everything will be behind the mirrors.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. All right, let's go for it.

[A]

All right, so we're going to talk about a few headlines. So Taylor Swift came out with an album called Life of a Showgirl. I really liked it a lot. Now, I have not been a swiftie up to this point.

[B]

Have you listened to the whole album?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you put it on, you sat down, you said, I'm gonna listen to it.

[A]

I didn't sit down and do it.

[B]

We used to do that when I was a kid. We'd buy an album like the Beatles album or something. If you get the new album would have come out and you'd sit down and you'd actually listen to it.

[A]

I think a lot of people do that, but I listened to it on my hike.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Fabulous. And I don't usually like a Whole album. I listened to the whole album. Loved it, Loved it. Now we've been to some Taylor Swift concerts with the kids. Great. But I've never been like a Swifty Swifty, if I'm honest. I love this album. I love it. I think it's great. So, of course, over this weekend, I danced to a whole bunch of them. I just tick tocked them. I Instagram.

[B]

I was reading my script and you came by. Dance something next to me.

[A]

I did it. It's called Canceled. The song's called Canceled, which I thought was kind of apropos in a way. We've had moments of being canceled, but we bounce back because we're like cockroaches.

[B]

Speak for yourself.

[A]

I'm like a cockroach. You can never get rid of me. That was one of my gems.

[B]

Okay, so Taylor Swift. I. I have not listened to the Taylor Swift album. I've never listened to a Taylor Swift album. I'm not sure I've ever heard a Taylor Swift song.

[A]

She's pretty poetic. She writes well.

[C]

Like, she.

[A]

I like her. You can't. I can't obviously figure it out, but I know the fans can, like, delve into it and figure out, like, who she's talking about. And she. She's known for kind of retribution in her songs and kind of coming after people.

[B]

Oh, lovers who wronged her and stuff like that.

[A]

Yeah. Or like Kanye. Remember when he took the statue away from her?

[B]

That was definitely rough.

[A]

Took it away from her. He came up and said, beyonce, the greatest album. There was not a good moment.

[B]

I. I ran into her one time when I was hiking out on the trail. Yeah.

[A]

Because she used to live down the hill from us, I guess.

[B]

So she had. She was hiking all alone, and I recognized her. And then I saw about 30 yards behind her, a huge, huge man who had to be her bodyguard. I guess it was just trailing her.

[A]

Yeah, I guess at that level, you can't really. You can't really go to the market. You can't really go on a hike, can you?

[B]

She was alone, except for this huge man who was just behind her, but just enough behind her. So you didn't really know if he was with her or not, but you knew that, you know, once you saw that he was Taylor Swift, you knew. Yeah, that's her bodyguard for sure.

[A]

Well, I guess that's a reality that just has to happen, you know, at that point.

[B]

Yeah, which is why I'm very happy not being a very famous movie star or whatever, because, you know, remember the time we were walking out by George Clooney's house, and he drove out in his Mercedes and. And immediately all these other cars fired up behind him, and they were all following him. And he rolled his window down. He said, nice to be well known or something. Good to be seen. Right. Or something like that. He was. He made a joke about it because he recognized us.

[A]

Well, because we're friendly with him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But he moved to France, so there you go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He did not want to raise his kids here, which I understand.

[B]

I mean, I wouldn't want to have to have a bodyguard, you know, and be followed by paparazzi everywh. I go, you know, I guess our kids are having that issue right now, or Amelia is an issue.

[A]

But it's something that you have to like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, deal with from time to time. I'm just grateful when they're popping out now at this point.

[B]

Yeah. It's when. When. When the paparazzi no longer come out, you know, then you go, oh, I guess. I guess it's over for me. Whatever.

[A]

Well, I mean, we've always said that they're. They're kind of a good thing.

[B]

They're a parameter, you know? You know, your success barometers. How many paparazzi waiting for you when you get to the market? If there's only one, you know, okay, that's still one.

[A]

It's about every once in a while. It's good to see them. And you're like, okay, few.

[B]

What was that movie? It was a movie where Sally Field played a soap actress, and whenever she was.

[A]

Yep. Yeah.

[B]

And she was a little bit depressed, her friend would take her to the.

[A]

Mall and she'd come down the escalator. So funny.

[B]

And she. Her fans would. Yeah. Okay.

[C]

It was Soap Dish, also starring Robert Downey Jr. Whoopi Goldberg, Kevin Klein.

[A]

What a great film that was.

[B]

It was funny.

[A]

That's a great movie. I could watch that again. All right. Oh, also, we're watching. Oh, my God. We have to talk about this. We're watching Ed. The Ed Gein Story. Is it Gyne? Gin Story, Monster, Netflix.

[B]

It's rough.

[A]

My God. It's not easy to watch. It's not easy to watch. I had to stop because I was having nightmares. But it's so good. It's well acted. It's just. He's got a sick mind.

[B]

Ryan. You're talking about Ryan.

[A]

Ryan's fucking mind. You know, I've told you that all these shows.

[B]

All these shows that Ryan, you know, you see one of the most Heinous, awful, like murder scenes or whatever. And you just know that's going to be Ryan Murphy because he's definitely tweaked.

[A]

It's so good. It's so good. And now they're doing Lizzie Borden. They're doing. The next one is Lizzie Borden. And you know who's going to star in it?

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Annette Bening and Warren Beatty's daughter, Their youngest daughter that went to Maggie Hayes.

[B]

With the girls, Ella, and she's playing Lizzie.

[A]

She's playing Lizzie.

[B]

Really? Wow.

[A]

It's pretty cool. Oh, May I say I am selling things because of course, that's what I do. We are making new hats, trucker hats and bucket hats. We haven't come up with the right bucket hat yet, so we need to work on that. It wasn't up to my standards. Standards.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I sent them back. But I like the trucker hats, so this one, of course. Own it, baby. Own it. I love this. And then I will wear another one for our next episode. So.

[B]

Okay. What was wrong with the bucket hat? Well, you know, that's pretty hard to fuck up a bucket hat.

[A]

Well, I'm very particular about my bucket hat. I didn't like the fabric and I thought that it was too short. It needed to be a little bit longer in the head part.

[B]

Oh. So it was actually the construction of the hat, not the logo?

[A]

No, no, no.

[C]

The logos.

[A]

Those parts were fine. It was the fabrication and the construction of the hat. I felt we could get a better one.

[B]

Well, you're very particular about your bucket hats because you're Miss Bucket Hat.

[A]

That's right. And I love a trucker hat. And this trucker hat came out right on the money. So I was like, okay, we can sell the trucker hat. So now they can go up on the website.

[B]

Why is it that you like a trucker hat more than a baseball cap?

[A]

Because the baseball hat is smaller on your head, and I think a trucker hat size looks better.

[B]

Yeah, well, you and I are definitely opposite when it comes to that because you like the smaller one baseball cap and not a trucker hat. If I had a choice, if someone said, your life depends on which hat you choose right now, the trucker hat or the baseball cap.

[A]

You would go baseball every time and I would go trucker every time. So I made a baseball that we get along.

[B]

How is that we can be married as long as we have been married?

[A]

I don't know. It just works.

[B]

I mean, you like one hat, I like the other hat.

[A]

But that's why it works, I think. I did make you a baseball hat, though. I'll wear that another time. I forget what it says on the baseball hat, but it's leopard. It's like a leopard and black baseball hat. It's very cute. Anyway, so you can get these soon on the website. Dear Media. Somewhere, I don't know where, but they made them up.

[D]

Hi, I'm Corey Carine, host and creator of the Intersect, a new show that breaks down the rise and roll of AI in our lives. In each episode, I talk to bold thinkers, builders and leaders about how this technology is shaping our everyday experiences from work and well being to communication and decision making. And after 25 years as a journalist and media executive, I'm here to help you make sense of this moment. If you're curious about what AI is, what it means for you, or how to start using it, tune in every Thursday, wherever you get your podcasts.

[A]

Then I made myself a T shirt. I on Etsy. You know, you can go make T shirts real easily. You can make anything.

[B]

Oh, is that the one you made that says about the couture?

[A]

Yes, it says it's couture. Honey, look at the tag. That's what it says. And I made little tank tops this time.

[B]

Now, you might want to tell the folks out there who are listening why that particular saying has resonance. Why would you put that saying on a T shirt?

[A]

Not sure why it happened, but the story is we went to Paris. I went to the Balenciaga couture show, Demna's last show, and I had a choice of wearing couture or ready to wear, RTW or couture. And I will always choose couture over ready to wear. Because it's couture. It's couture. So the reason why it's so funny is because there literally was a tag on the garment that said Balenciaga Couture.

[B]

And do you normally have a tag like that?

[A]

Normally?

[B]

Why would there be a tag on a garment that says couture on it? That doesn't make sense.

[A]

Normally there's just.

[B]

Couture is one of a kind.

[A]

Right? There's just a saying or a tag of the designer.

[B]

The designer.

[A]

Right. This one, the blue jacket and pants look like one piece, but it was two pieces, literally had a tag that said Balenciaga couture.

[B]

So they wanted whoever was wearing it to know that it was couture. Like maybe it looked like it wasn't couture. Maybe that's why the person came up.

[A]

To you and said, it's like a ski jacket outfit.

[B]

And. And what did the person say to you? What was the question that inspired you to answer with, it's couture, baby. Look at the tag?

[A]

Well, because he was there. He's a videographer, a French videographer.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I had seen him at the Chanel show in Los Angeles when Amelia walked her first Chanel show. And he's got glasses and a baseball hat. I forget his name right now. Starts with an L. Larry.

[B]

Let's just say Larry. Or Lionel.

[A]

We'll say French Larry. Okay. And he is always slightly cunty with me. He would. He said that himself. He's slightly cunty. I love a slightly cunty person. I. I have to say, I love it.

[B]

Would you like me to be a little more.

[A]

You are slightly cuntied. You don't have to worry about it.

[B]

It.

[A]

Trust me. You have it in you built in.

[B]

Was that right?

[A]

Yeah, don't worry about that.

[B]

And you love that.

[A]

I do at times.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because it's like a sassiness. So Mr. French Larry came up to me at the Valencia show. You know, they have videography.

[B]

Maybe his name is Lou.

[A]

It's something like that. Loi. I think something like that. His name is Lloyd. Look it up right now on the Instagram. We'll figure it out. Daniel's gonna find it while we're talking. Daniel's gonna figure it out anyway. So you have videographers and you have photographers at those things.

[B]

Luke. Maybe his name is Luke.

[A]

Take your pictures and ask you questions. So he sees me. It's in a crowded room. He goes something like, is that couture? And I go, yeah, it's couture. He goes, oh, no. First he says, tell me the story, because I'm wearing the wig. And I guess the wig that I'm wearing, the black bollwig, looks like a French actress. Performer. And he said, do you know you look like da, da, da, da? And I. He. I said, well, let me tell you what I was going for. And I tell him a whole story about my outfit and what I was going for. You know, early Balenciaga, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he goes, that's couture. It's couture. And I said, yeah, it's couture. He said, well, it doesn't look like couture. And I said, well, it is couture. Look at the tag, honey. It is couture. However, I said that. So for some reason, you don't know.

[B]

How you said it. It's being said by millions of people out there.

[A]

Well, then you know what it is. You've heard it. Yeah, I said, it's couture. Honey, look at the tag. It's couture. So for whatever reason, that little clippity clip went viral.

[B]

I know. You showed me. The people from Grey's Anatomy did it yesterday.

[A]

Yeah, ABC reposted it. I think it's funny as heck, but I love it.

[B]

It's couture.

[A]

It's couture. And you know what? There is a commercial out there right now. It's for DirecTV or some TV thing, and there's two guys, and they're, like, wearing a tank top and a fur shrug. And they literally come out. It's two actors, and he says something like, it's couture. And the other one goes, it's couture. Couture. They say couture. And I think it's from my meme, Louis Prijon.

[C]

Louis, you were on his Instagram. Pinned.

[A]

Stop it.

[B]

Am I?

[C]

You're pinned on his Instagram.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Louis, Louis, Louis, Louis.

[A]

Louque.

[B]

So I wasn't far off when I said Lou could be Louise. Yeah.

[A]

And so I actually can't wait till I get to see him again, because I haven't seen him since we had our viral moment. And he saw Amelia last week. This is cute. And he had her do like, she did the couture thing.

[B]

Oh, she did.

[A]

She did. It's very cute. They were at the YSL show.

[B]

Is there a video of this?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

I'll find it for you.

[B]

I'll see that.

[A]

Yeah, it's really cute. And then she starts giggling, and he goes, I was so cunty to your mom. And she laughs. And I think she says, I know, she loved it or something. Anyway, it was cute.

[B]

Well, what I want to know is you used the term when you were describing that whole scene. You called what the guys were wearing in the commercial a shrug.

[A]

Do you know what that is?

[B]

No. What's a shrug? Is it a shawl and a rug together?

[A]

No. You know what a shrug is? It's like what I just wore in the Crown Royal Chocolate ad is a shrug. It's like a thing you put around your shoulder.

[B]

It's like a stole.

[A]

It's like a stole shrug.

[B]

But it's called a shrug.

[A]

Called a shrug.

[B]

And it's called a shrug because you can shrug it off.

[A]

Yeah, basically.

[B]

I guess.

[A]

I think, anyway, they're wearing. They're not necessarily wearing shrugs, but they're wearing Their shirt or their jacket down. Like here. Like a stole.

[B]

A shrug.

[A]

Like a.

[B]

Do you own any shrugs? Hmm? You're not a shrug collector?

[A]

I don't have any shrugs.

[B]

You're not a hoarder of shrugs?

[A]

No, I don't believe I own any shrugs.

[B]

Really. So that's why I don't know the term shrug. And we don't have any shrugs. We have rugs and we have shoes. We could have put the shoes.

[A]

It's cozy. Those shrugs, actually, you wear them with a tank top, and then you put the shrug on and somehow will cover your shoulders. So, like, let's say you had to go to some.

[B]

The one thing you don't have is a shrug. So I could get you a shrug for some gift thing you could get me, and you go, wow, I don't have one of these.

[A]

I like a cashmere shrug. If you're gonna get me a shrug.

[B]

You had to add the cashmere. Why couldn't I get you, like, a fake fur shrug or something?

[A]

Well, you could. You could. You could.

[B]

I thought I can. I about to get away with a nice, cheap gift. Oh, it's gotta be cashmere.

[A]

No, sweetie, you never could be by.

[B]

Cartier with a nice. Gotta be, you know. Yeah, it's gotta be Chanel. Okay.

[A]

You have a problem with that?

[B]

What?

[A]

Do you have a problem with that?

[B]

No. I don't want our house to be foreclosed on. No. Well, you know, I don't have to file for bankruptcy.

[A]

Well, you can always go scoop some poop. Perry, you're not going to have to go into bankruptcy because I've.

[B]

How much poop would I have to scoop to avoid bankruptcy? How much poop would I have to scoop?

[A]

I'm afraid a lot.

[B]

I mean, could we.

[A]

I'm afraid with our nut a lot.

[B]

Are we talking tonnage?

[A]

I'm afraid with our nut a lot.

[B]

That's a lot of poop. It's very stinky.

[A]

Better keep acting, honey, so that you don't have to go.

[B]

Well, thank goodness I'm going on location next week, so I'm. I'll be gone for months.

[A]

That's just great. Let everybody know that I'm going to be alone and they'll come kill me.

[B]

What? No, you're not gonna be alone.

[A]

No, I got plenty of people staying with me at Pan. That's just great. Yeah, tell them. Tell them I'm going to be by myself.

[B]

Well, you know, you've got Vinnie, who's staying there. He's got the long guns.

[A]

Vinnie and yeah, yeah. My machine guns, I've got locked up in the basement.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

With the rats, we could just freaking riff and that. I mean, that's basically what we do. We sit here and we riff and, like, we don't talk to each other all week long. And then we come in here and we, like, have a conversation. How many of you. Let me just say, how many of you are living with somebody or you have a significant other or whatever, and you're in a house and you're busy with the kids and you're doing all this stuff and you really never sit down and have much of a conversation except for. Did you do this? Yeah. Are you gonna go here? Yeah. La la la la.

[B]

How'd you sleep?

[A]

What's your dinner? Yeah.

[B]

How was yoga?

[A]

Good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? So we sit here for an hour, 50 minutes or whatever. We actually talk.

[B]

I know. And you know, when we go out to dinner, they always say you can tell a married couple when you're in a restaurant because they're sitting there saying nothing to you, to each other. And that's kind of the way we are when we go out to dinner. I mean, last night we.

[A]

We talk at dinner.

[B]

We did talk last night.

[A]

We do. We talk at dinner. We don't go out to dinner very much anymore.

[B]

So we. It's true.

[A]

We don't. Because you cook. And so it's better, actually. We squat all the time.

[B]

We did go out all the time. Restaurant food does not agree with me. And. And that's what I cook every night. And. And I'm very happy that, you know, we're not eating that restaurant food because it always tastes really good going down. But then about 3:00am it's like, well, yeah, our.

[A]

Our palates have got cleaner. Thank God. Otherwise, I'd be pickled at this point from my upbringing.

[B]

Well, that's true. A lot of Slim Jims have gone down the Gulliver there. So, yeah.

[A]

Pickled.

[C]

You have one listener. They want to know, because they're not from America, what is a Slim Jim?

[B]

Oh, okay. Oh, so somebody wants to know what's a Slim Jim, what a Slim Jim is. Okay. There's different ways to look at that. There could be a guy named James who happens to be really skinny. And if you look at a guy named James who's really thin, that could be Slim Jim.

[A]

But that's not what we're talking about.

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

Tell them what a Slim Jim is.

[B]

Slim Jim is. The thing is an edible thing. You get at a gas station, it's about a foot and a half at.

[A]

A market and it's this long.

[B]

It's a quite long. About the big round is your thumb. And it's made of some strange spiced meat of some kind.

[A]

So we don't exactly. We don't exactly, exactly know what's in a Slim Gym.

[B]

A lot of preservatives.

[A]

It's much like a hot dog. And I really try not to have a hot dog more than twice. Twice a year, right? Once. Twice a year. Same with a Slim Jim, it's right in the same category. You just have to monitor your Slim Jim intake because really we don't know what's in there. But it suits me fine because of what I grew up eating. I could just eat anything.

[B]

For the people out there who are from foreign countries who know that Lisa loves to consume Slim Jims, she's eating. She's eating a thing that you get at the gas station. It's like jerky. Beef jerky.

[A]

Beef jerky, but not. Yeah, it's a little bit chicer. It's like a. One of those Slim cigarettes, you know, those Capri cigarettes. That's how. In the form of like beef jerky.

[B]

Rewind a little bit. You just use the word chic in the same sentence as Slim Jim. Slim Jims. Would you consider them to be chic?

[A]

Yes, in the sense that it's not like a big old slab of jerky that you have to like chew and pull. It's kind of dainty because it's like a little Capri cigarette.

[B]

So it's a little more civilized than a big slab of jerky.

[A]

Okay, Correct.

[B]

All right, well, I'm getting the picture now.

[A]

So that's what a Slim Jim is. And they're like, we have no idea. Still.

[C]

Let's do one more headline.

[A]

Let's please, one more headline. What's happening?

[C]

One more headline here. Tilly Norwood is the talk of the town.

[A]

Do you know Tilly?

[B]

No.

[C]

Tilly Norwood is the first digital actress, the first creation of Particle 6 Productions, a UK based company blending filmmaking with artificial intelligence.

[A]

No mas.

[D]

Sorry.

[B]

So she is an artificial actress?

[A]

Yes. AI, is she any good? I don't know. I didn't watch. But at the end of the show.

[B]

Is she pretty?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, how pretty? I mean, on a scale of 1 to 10, is she like. Is she a 10? I mean, is she. Is she.

[A]

She's not super gorgeous, but she's not ugly.

[B]

She's interesting looking.

[A]

No, she's plain looking. She's safe looking.

[B]

So a movie star. So I mean, would you say, okay, take Tom Cruise for example. See a huge movie star, big action star. I don't think people consider him to be like, like uber handsome as a.

[A]

As a. I think Tom Cruise is, is good looking and has always been good looking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But I mean he's not threatening looking. He's not. In other words, he's like. You said that she's like. Did you say she was playing or what did you say? What was the word you used?

[A]

The word I used? Safe. Safe. You never want to look safe. I, I don't ever describe me as looking safe. That would be. I don't. Wouldn't like that actually. But she is, she's not anything this way or this way. She's kind of.

[B]

So that's maybe what the studios are looking for is a non intimidating presence on the movie screen that doesn't freak people out. I mean, why would they pick somebody who's kind of blah?

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. Like she's not blonde and she's not dark. Dark. She's kind of in between long hair. Like I would pass her on the street.

[B]

Is she a comedic actress or dramatic actress? Is she a porn actress?

[C]

The makers would like her to be the next Scarlett Johansson or Natalie Portman, so.

[A]

But we have Scarlett Johansson and Natalie Portman. Thank you so much. We do not need an AI actor. We don't.

[B]

An AI actor would have no compunction about being naked or having sex on screen or anything.

[A]

They do anything probably.

[B]

Of course, you just program them to do it and they'll do it.

[A]

They don't have a soul. There's no making a soul in AI so to me that's the difference.

[B]

How many movie stars have souls?

[A]

You said it.

[B]

Well, I'm just asking a question.

[A]

They have souls because they're alive.

[B]

Oh, I see what you're saying. At least tiny little souls.

[A]

Yeah. Like I don't think you can create that.

[B]

No. Clearly, artificially. So what's the. And what has been the reaction to what's her name again?

[C]

Tilly Norwood.

[B]

Okay. How have people responded to Tilly? Has she gotten reviews and stuff?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Is she out in a picture?

[A]

Hollywood was up in the arm was up in arms about it, you know, But I don't know about the local folk. I don't know about like regular people, what they think about her.

[B]

Well, she, she doesn't live anywhere, right? She hasn't been spotted around town.

[A]

No. She's AI.

[B]

She's AI.

[A]

She's no fun. We're so much more fun than AI.

[B]

Yeah, well, you don't have to feed her and you don't have to clothe her. You don't have to give her per diem. She's great on location because you don't.

[A]

Have to put her up anywhere either situation much.

[B]

Well, if I was a producer, I'd go, do I want Scarlett Johansson, who I've got to, like, clothe, put makeup.

[A]

On, pay $20 million to.

[B]

I gotta pay her $20 million and I got a flyer and a private jet around, or do I want Tilly, who, like, costs nothing? Right. And who I can dress in my sleep? That's not a good undressing.

[A]

Not really helping much. You're just really gonna kill everybody's jobs. And you're going to be in a foreclosure in your house if you keep that up. And you're going to be out getting poop in people's yards if you keep talking like that.

[B]

But I have those skills. I'm not worried because I've got those skills. I've got poop skills, you know?

[A]

Yeah, but you have to pick up a lot of poop for one acting job.

[B]

No.

[A]

Well, that's true, because we are very fortunate. Once we do work, you usually get a good, good old paycheck out of it.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not complaining at all about, you know, the. I mean, I'm very fortunate to have a job. Right?

[A]

Yeah. But if you sell this a way you just did, you're going to be out of a job completely.

[B]

So rewind. I take back everything I said about you.

[A]

Just everyone.

[B]

I take it all back. I take it all back. Get rid of the Till. Tilly doesn't. Doesn't deserve to exist. I'm sorry. You know, and. And you know what? The thing about Tilly is that you can get rid of her really easily. You don't have to bury any bodies.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

No bodies have to be buried. There's no line. You have to go out and buy lime to. To. To help decompose the body. And like that.

[A]

Now I'm back at Monster Ed's, pulling the freaking dead body out of the grave. And then it. Come on. I can't. Like, that's what happens.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. How do they show that on Netflix?

[B]

Did they. Did we see that?

[A]

Well, I skipped and watched a little bit of it without you yesterday. Just to peek.

[B]

Really? And what happens?

[A]

He's like, fucks a dead boss body. It's Nick.

[B]

Necrophilia. That's necrophilia.

[A]

Yeah, but, you know, I wasn't quite ready to see it in person. Like, they show it. They show it. They show it.

[B]

Well, I mean, that. I'm not going to watch it now.

[A]

That's why I figured, you know what? I'm just gonna watch it because Harry's not gonna want to see this. You know, it's rough.

[B]

There are things that in my life that I don't want to see. And there are things I would say, no, no, I'm sorry. I'm just not gonna see that. I don't want that in my brain forever.

[A]

But guess what?

[B]

Everybody else wants.

[A]

I have the image of that now in my head. It was not pretty.

[B]

Didn't turn you on? Some people. Some people get off on that.

[A]

Well, no, it didn't. It grossed me out. Oh, it was hard to watch.

[B]

Well, I'm glad. I'm very glad that it didn't turn you on, because that could have been a problem.

[A]

Yeah, that could.

[B]

Place to end.

[A]

It is a good place to end.

[B]

Okay. All right. So everybody, thanks once again for checking us out.

[A]

Yeah, go buy my hat so I don't have to go scoop poop. Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[B]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[A]

Yeah. And if you liked what you heard.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

And I. I'm Harry Rhamlin on Instagram.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So see you next week.

[A]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.