Life Update: OnlyFans, BravoCon, & Behind-The-Scenes Tea on The Traitors

Summary

Let's Not Talk About The Husband

Hosts: Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin
Episode: Life Update: OnlyFans, BravoCon, & Behind-The-Scenes Tea on The Traitors
Date: September 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively and unfiltered episode, Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin—Hollywood royalty and longtime couple—catch up on recent life events, behind-the-scenes gossip, and the realities of fame, family, and marriage. The duo tackles topics ranging from Lisa’s ongoing evolution post-Housewives, Harry’s upcoming adventure in the wilderness, their families’ fashion successes, and the economics of pet businesses and OnlyFans. With humor and candor, they also respond to listener questions about what (if anything) bugs them about each other after over 30 years together, dispensing insightful and hilarious relationship wisdom along the way.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lisa Was Invited (and Declined) to BravoCon

• [02:30–05:08]
  • Lisa shares she was unexpectedly invited to BravoCon despite no longer being on the show, and finds it amusing (and a bit bewildering).
  • Harry insists Lisa is still “a hot property” and the network knows her presence brings buzz.
  • Lisa reflects on being booed at her last BravoCon (“your response was perfect … gave the entire audience not one, but two fingers” – Harry, [04:31]).
  • She candidly admits, “I don’t think they can pay me enough to get me to go back. Sorry, fans. If I have any left.” ([04:59])

2. Behind-the-Scenes: Bravo Filming at Kyle’s Daughter’s Wedding

• [08:40–10:44]
  • Lisa is set to attend Alexia Umansky’s wedding (Kyle Richards’ daughter), but opts out of being filmed for Real Housewives.
  • She reveals production tried to get her to sign a release last minute. She declined and cheekily adds, “They’ll have to blur me out. If you see me all of a sudden, they’re gonna have to blur me.” ([10:34])
  • Lisa relishes her autonomy saying “It’s a nice satisfaction to say, no, you can’t have me. Okay, well, no, you can’t.” ([10:34])

3. Harry’s Upcoming High Sierras Expedition

• [05:50–08:34]
  • Harry details his plan to backpack alone in the High Sierras, to Lisa’s slight anxiety (“I’m a little bit nervous about it, I’m not going to lie” – Lisa, [06:10]).
  • Talks of satellite communications and the realities of inaccessibility.
  • They poke fun at the idea of dangers in the wilderness, with Harry quipping: “Where I go, there’s no serial killers gonna go where I go. … Maybe Sasquatch.” ([07:58])
  • Genuine couple dynamic shines through in Lisa’s worry mixed with Harry’s nonchalance.

4. Fashion Month and Family Updates

• [15:47–17:26]
  • Lisa is gearing up for New York Fashion Week and celebrating Amelia’s (their daughter) successful modeling career—highlighting an upcoming Spanish Vogue cover and packed Fashion Month itinerary.
  • Lisa highlights the work that went into establishing herself as a “fashion maven” post-Housewives.

5. Podcasting and Real Housewives Alumni

• [17:53–18:58]
  • Lisa will see fellow Housewife Teddi Mellencamp at the wedding, reflecting on Teddy’s health and her ongoing podcast with Erika Jayne and Tamra Judge.
  • Harry muses about podcasting’s ubiquity and wonders “is there anybody left not doing a podcast?”

6. Riffing on Stress, Anger, and Changing Times

• [19:13–21:05]
  • Lisa and Harry discuss rising levels of societal stress, referencing arguments at home and larger cultural shifts.
  • Harry describes “a giant underground aquifer of indignation … people looking for anything they could glom onto to get angry about” ([19:53]).
  • Lisa connects this shift to her final year on Housewives: “Boy, that happened to me my last year on that show. Man, they went crazy. They went at me.” ([21:05])

7. The Pet Business and Its Allure

• [21:18–24:34]
  • The pair debate the profitability of the pet industry, joking about dog chews’ sky-high markups and speculating about getting into pet treats or pet stock.
  • “Every time I go into a pet store, I walk out and I go, oh my god… $75. That’s low.” – Lisa ([22:28])

8. Candid Talk: Money, Fees, Insurance, and OnlyFans

• [24:34–29:08 & 39:08–43:59]
  • Lisa and Harry break down the unseen costs of being in show business—taxes, agents, managers, insurance—and question how anyone keeps up.
  • Lisa half-jokes about starting OnlyFans to cover the American Express bill: “I am almost to a point though… I work so hard…” ([26:24])
  • The conversation devolves into playful banter about what body parts would make the most money on OnlyFans, with Harry goading, “Your tits are nice.” ([26:15]), and Lisa countering with, “I don’t know, Harry. You might make a shitload more than me. We don’t know how this works.” ([26:32])
  • They briefly consider combining pet content and OnlyFans for maximum profit and controversies, sending themselves into fits of laughter.

9. Listener Q&A: What Bugs You About Your Spouse?

• [34:09–53:00]
  • Linda from the audience asks if anything genuinely irks them about one another after 30+ years.
  • Both insist “you don’t bug me” is likely the secret to their long marriage.
  • Lisa suggests Harry’s habit of chewing blue gum and sticking it to things, but declares, “There’s not something that bugs me, like, you don’t bug me, and I am very buggable.” ([35:12])
  • Harry jokes about Lisa’s shopping habits, which launches into a reflective (and hilarious) conversation about her upbringing, shopping-as-sport, closet size, and the “American Express bill of doom.”
  • Lisa: “At this level, I have no real need, but I have a big want.” ([52:43])
  • Harry eventually praises Lisa’s fashion investments for helping build a new career/brand.
  • They joke about both getting new gigs—therapy for him, pet business or OnlyFans for her—to tackle their expenses.

10. Memorable Stories and Behind-the-Scenes Tea: The Traitors

• [44:14–48:44]
  • Lisa recounts a lighthearted wardrobe moment on the reality show The Traitors involving Monet X Change: “When you get that from a drag queen, it’s like high praise… ‘Rinna, you got good boobs.’” ([46:03])
  • Harry tells a wild story about a former manager who idolized his left nipple so much he decorated his house with blown-up photographs of it—a surreal brush with fandom at its weirdest.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reality TV Boos:

  • “They booed you because you did such a great job. … You did such a good job being the bad guy that you got booed. … Your response was perfect—two fingers.”
    —Harry ([04:31])

• On Refusing to Be Filmed (Bravo):

  • “You can film around me, but … if you see me all of a sudden, they’re gonna have to blur me.”
    —Lisa ([10:34])

• On OnlyFans Profits:

  • “This girl just made $15 million in four weeks on OnlyFans…” —Lisa ([25:41])
  • “She might have been cannibalizing somebody.”
    —Harry, deadpan ([26:03])
  • “My tits are not as good as yours, by the way. I probably wouldn’t make as much money showing my tits.”
    —Harry ([26:28])

• On the Secret of a 30-Year Marriage:

  • “You don’t bug me, and I am very buggable.”
    —Lisa ([35:12])
  • “The fact that I don’t bug you is a total miracle to me.”
    —Harry ([35:19])

• On Shopping as a Sport:

  • “The way I was brought up, shopping was a sport in my family. … My parents wanted to go shopping. I don’t know why.”
    —Lisa ([36:05])

• On Transforming Shopping into a Brand:

  • “What you spent the money on has given you a new brand. … You’re now a huge fashion maven. And that takes money.”
    —Harry ([41:10])

• On OnlyFans and Career Impact:

  • “What I’m saying is… does it matter if you do a reality show, you do a podcast, you do acting, you do whatever?”
    —Lisa ([28:16])

• On Pet Businesses:

  • “Walking into Petco, I’m like, ‘Why do I not have a piece of this?’”
    —Lisa ([22:07])

• On Clothes Hoarding:

  • “You don’t have to buy any more clothes either because your closet is filled with clothes that still have the tags on them.”
    —Harry ([52:04])

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Important Timestamps

• 02:30: Lisa's BravoCon invite and reflections on reality TV
• 04:31: Harry recounts the "badge of honor" in getting booed
• 06:10: Lisa nervous about Harry's High Sierras trip
• 08:40: Lisa discusses attending (but not being filmed at) Kyle’s daughter's wedding
• 15:47: Fashion Month and Amelia’s modeling success
• 19:46: Lisa and Harry on societal stress and anger
• 24:34: On business expenses, insurance, and why OnlyFans is tempting
• 26:15: OnlyFans body part calculus, in classic Rinna-Hamlin banter
• 34:09: Linda’s marriage question sparks the “what bugs you” segment
• 44:14: Rinna’s The Traitors behind-the-scenes story
• 46:03: Boob compliment from The Traitors castmate
• 47:08: Harry’s left nipple story—a fan’s wall-art obsession
• 52:04: Lisa’s closet confessions and Harry’s suggestion she stop buying clothes

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Takeaways

• Lisa and Harry’s banter is a blend of brutal honesty, industry insights, and pure comedy, inviting listeners into the realities—and absurdities—of Hollywood marriage and celebrity life.
• The couple’s reflections on money, fame, privacy, and the evolution of their careers are both relatable and revealing, especially as they navigate new opportunities in fashion, podcasting, and beyond.
• Their marriage dynamic highlights mutual respect, humor, and the ability not to take themselves (or Hollywood) too seriously.
• The episode is studded with laugh-out-loud moments, genuine reflections on aging and change, and candid admissions—never shying away from tackling topics most would avoid.

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For fans of Real Housewives, Hollywood inside scoop, or simply those seeking relationship advice with a heavy dose of laughter, this episode captures everything Lisa and Harry do best: owning it, baby.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[B]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[A]

And this is let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[B]

We've been together for over 30 years and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[A]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[B]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[A]

Why do you have a hood on like that and your blue salt hood? That's Lindy Benson's company, Blue Salt. We love blue salt.

[B]

Well, because I'm not really a hoodie guy, but.

[A]

Bluesot.com.

[B]

But blue salt. This is such delicious material.

[A]

So cozy and so yummy. I wear it when I fly. I wear a whole outfit. I wear the hoodie, I wear the tank top, and I wear the pants. That's my flying outfit when I first flew.

[B]

When I. During the pandemic.

[A]

Blue salt.com.

[B]

I wore this blue salt on the plane. And I have a great photograph of myself on the plane.

[A]

Oh, yeah, with all your.

[B]

Well, it was the mask and stuff. It was the spring of 2020, and I got a job in Toronto.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

To film a show in Toronto. And no one was flying then. I mean, I got to the airport and there was nobody in the airport. There were like six Japanese people wearing full hazmat suits.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I remember that.

[B]

Yeah. And the only other people in the airport were those six people, and they didn't get on the plane. I got. I flew to Toronto and there were three people on the plane. There was nobody. I was sitting in business class. Nobody in business class. And then there were two other people back in coach. And I put on. I had on this blue salt with the hood up over my head. I had on ski goggles and two masks. So I had two N95 masks and. And ski goggles. And I had this up like that and gloves on, so I was completely covered up.

[A]

What a freaky time that was.

[B]

I know. There's nobody in the airport. Nobody on the plane.

[A]

That was freaky.

[B]

It was really freaky. Yeah. But anyway, the blue sol. I love the material and I don't wear a hoodie that often, so I.

[A]

No, and you look good. It looks nice on you. You should wear those more often, actually. It's nice.

[B]

Okay. Well, it feels nice. You know, blue saw is very soft.

[A]

It's soft. It's bamboo. It's meat added Bamboo.

[B]

Oh, is that right?

[A]

Oh, it's sustainable.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

It's very good. Bluesop.com.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I like to plug my friends. It's good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, you know.

[B]

So what are we gonna talk about today? What's going on?

[A]

Oh, we're gonna answer some questions and, you know, chat. I got invited to Bravocon.

[B]

You're kidding. You're gonna go?

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

So. So when is Bravocon?

[A]

I don't know. November, October, November. I don't know which one. Maybe October. Anyway, I just think it's pretty funny that I would get invited and I'm not even sure why. Why out of the blue would I all of a sudden get invited to Bravocon when I'm not back on the show?

[B]

But you're a hot property. Doesn't matter where you are, you're a hot property. They would love to have you there for ratings. They could say, oh, Lisa, Rinna's gonna be at Bravicon. Are you kidding me? They're gonna be.

[A]

Well, they can't say that now.

[B]

Well, good for you.

[A]

I said, no, thanks. No, thanks?

[B]

Aw, really?

[A]

No thanks?

[B]

Well, I do. The picture of you coming out on stage at the last Bravocon with your hands up like this with the two fingers going out, that was funny. That's burned into my consciousness forever.

[A]

I don't know if anybody knows this. I'm not sure I ever talked about it, but right before, we were in line backstage, and I'll never forget, I was standing next to Erica, and she turns to me and she goes, you know, they might boo you. And I looked at her like, really? And I just kind of was like, oh, okay. And I thought, oh, that's kind of odd. And then walk out and, you know, got booed. And I thought, wow. She knew. She knew the temperature was rough out.

[B]

There, but that was a badge of honor. You have to realize.

[A]

Oh, I know. I know it.

[B]

They booed you because you did such a great job. I'll never forget, when I was at act, the American Conservatory Theater, we did a production of Othello, and Iago is the bad guy. Othello. And Danny Davis played Iago.

[A]

It's much more fun to play the bad guy.

[B]

By the way, at the end of every performance when we did a student matinees, he got booed, and it drove him crazy. But that meant that he had done a great job being the bad guy.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And so you did such a good job being the bad guy that you got booed. I know. And your response was perfect when you walked out and gave the entire audience on television and in the auditorium not one, but two fingers.

[A]

Two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Good for you.

[A]

So, yeah, I'm not sure why I was invited back, but.

[B]

Well, you could go back and do that again. Maybe they wouldn't boo you this time.

[A]

Whatever. I don't think they can pay me enough to get me to go back. Sorry. Fans. If I have any left.

[B]

You have fans left. I see them every day. They come up to me and say, oh, my God, you're Harry. I love your wife. I go, yeah, but what about me?

[A]

Do you do that?

[B]

No, I don't.

[A]

I doubt. I was like, hello.

[B]

People come up to me all the time. They say. They say two things. Oh, God, I love your wife. Where can I get your sauce?

[A]

There you go. Good.

[B]

So they can get my sauce at Gelson starting next month and then and.

[A]

Online and on Amazon.com.

[B]

[e-mail]. yeah. Yeah. And the sauces are amazing, by the way.

[A]

Yeah, they are yummy.

[B]

So they. Everybody says, I love your wife. And I always say, me too. And you can get my sauce on Amazon.

[A]

There you go. See, we. I've taught you how to promote everything and sell everything, haven't I?

[B]

Well, I'm going to go up in the mountains next week. I'm going to go up to the High Sierras and I'm going to take the sauce with me, and I'm taking my favorite Labubu with me, who's going to backpack with me up into the mountains.

[A]

And you're going to do content. You'll do content.

[B]

Do some content at 12,000ft. Yeah, you know, because I'm going to go way, way up into the wilderness.

[A]

Well, I'm a little bit nervous about it, I'm not going to lie. Because usually when you go up there, you're. I'm here in la, I'm going to be in New York. And so, not that it makes a huge difference because you're up on a mountain by yourself anyway, but I'm not right here. I'll be in New York, so I feel like I'll be that much further. If you needed to, you would be.

[B]

Yes, you're going to be that much further away. For sure.

[A]

I'll be 3,000 miles away. Further.

[B]

Further than you would be. But I'm not sure that the distance would make much of a difference in this case, because the difference between a few hundred miles and a few thousand miles when I'm, like, dying on a mountaintop is not going to make much difference.

[A]

Are you taking the satellite phone or.

[B]

No, I'm taking a Garmin thing so I can text you the satellite phone. They don't really work and they.

[A]

Wait, what are you taking?

[B]

I'm taking what's called a Garmin Mini. It's a little thing like this that can ping the satellites and I can text you because.

[A]

See, if you should tell the people or I should tell the people that you go for, like, five days and no one hears, really, from you, and we don't know. We know.

[B]

No, that's the whole point. I know we're going to be solo.

[A]

We don't know until you contact us and say, yeah, I hit this point, and then I'm gonna be here, and then I'm gonna be home.

[B]

Well, yeah, I mean, that's why I have the little thing. I can text you and I can say I'm still alive.

[A]

But you said that the moon is going to be.

[B]

Well, the moon's going to be very dark. No.

[A]

And it's going to be dark. And normally you go when it's.

[B]

Well, it's always nice to have the full moon or a moon in the sky when you go up into the wilderness, because I go really far out in the boonies. But it's also fine to be in the dark because then you see the stars and you see amazing stars.

[A]

And you don't ever get scared out there. You don't ever think, like, a serial killer's gonna come.

[B]

And where I go, there's no serial killer's gonna go where I go.

[A]

I couldn't do it. I'd be too scared.

[B]

Anybody who gets as far as I go out there is not. They're not killers. They're people who want to kill.

[A]

Just crazy.

[B]

Well, maybe. I don't know. But no, maybe Sasquatch. Maybe the Abominable Snowman. I might see him up there. Him or her, whatever she is.

[A]

Well, I'm gonna be 3,000 miles away.

[B]

Uhhuh. Well, we'll see what happens.

[A]

And so will the girls. We all will be. Everyone's going to be. Except for the dogs and.

[B]

Oh, don't worry about it. I'll be.

[A]

All right. All right, all right. Okay. So on Saturday, I'm going to a wedding.

[B]

Who's getting married?

[A]

I'm getting. I'm going to Kyle and Mariti.

[B]

Oh, right, right, right. Of course.

[A]

Daughter Alexia.

[B]

Am I going to that with you?

[A]

You're not going to be here on Saturday. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, well, where am I gonna be?

[A]

On the mountain?

[B]

No, I don't go till Monday or Tuesday? No.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Well, I thought you were going anyway, so that'll be interesting.

[B]

So all those housewife people will be there.

[A]

The housewife people will be there. Well, I did get a little text message saying, you know, when I saw the invite, I was like, cool, I would love to. Alexia herself invited me, who I think is just darling. And, you know, we've grown up. She's grown up with our kids and Jana's kids. And so she invited me. She invited me to her engagement party and I went and she invited me to this. So I. I feel, you know, special.

[B]

They're going to film it.

[A]

Well, it didn't say. Usually if they're going to film something, they'll say, we're filming it. Just a heads up. So it wasn't there. And I was like, great, I can go and it'll be fine. I was getting a little text message this week saying, call me. One of the producers of the show. Call me. Anyway, we're gonna film a little bit at the wedding. Can we film you?

[B]

Oh, that's what he asked you?

[A]

That's what he asked me. And I said, I didn't think you were filming at the wedding. And no, you can't film me. He goes, you would have to film or you'd have to sign a release. And I said, you know, no, I'm not gonna do that.

[B]

So good for you.

[A]

You're not gonna film me, but I'll be there and you can film around me, but.

[B]

Well, you can go and support and.

[A]

I'm going and supporting without being filmed. Cause I think it's important to go and support. But they'll have to blur me out. If you see me all of a sudden, they're gonna have to blur me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so it gave me kind of a nice. It's a nice satisfaction to say, no, you can't have me. Okay, well, no, you can't.

[B]

They're lost. Bravo's loss.

[A]

No, you're gaining. You can't have me.

[B]

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[B]

So that's what you're doing this weekend?

[A]

I'm doing that this weekend.

[B]

And then you're going to New York for Fashion Week and stuff.

[A]

I am, yeah.

[B]

Because that's your, your jam now is fashion.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so you're going to New York, you're going to sit shows and stuff like that.

[A]

I'm going to sit Michael Kors. Oh, I'm going to go to Michael Kors. Delilah's going to Michael Kors. I think Amelia's walking Michael.

[B]

Oh, really? Because Amelia went today to New York, did she not?

[A]

She did.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

Yeah. She's geared back up.

[B]

Yeah. So she's had a little time off and now she's going to go right back into the fray. And Fashion Month, she'll be busy. Really?

[A]

Fashion Month. I already have part of her itinerary and it goes from now until October.

[B]

7Th and just constant.

[A]

That's month. That's Fashion Month, Fashion Month, New York, London, Milan, Paris. And that's a lot.

[B]

But the Vogue cover, the Spanish Vogue cover that we saw last night, it's amazing. I mean, amazing, Amazing.

[A]

Okay, so then Chanel on the front, Harry Lambert. Harry Lambert styled it. He's one of my favorite stylists. He styled the spread. He does Harry styles Emma Corrin. He does. And Emma Corrin is the new face of the Miu Miu perfume. And Emilia's going to that tomorrow. So. Yes, that's happening. And then I am gonna go to Paris at the end of September and do that. So that's fun.

[B]

Yeah. So it's gonna be an interesting month for you. I'm not sure, aside from my little walkabout in the High Sierras. It's going to be just me getting ready to go shoot, I guess for Mayfair Witches, which starts in October. So yeah, it's going to be interesting. Fall while you're off being very fashionista, like. Yes, I will be sweating climbing the mountains. Yeah. Be kind of interesting and different.

[A]

What I am looking forward to is seeing Teddy. I just flashed on that Teddi will be at the wedding. I haven't seen her in the last couple of weeks, so I, you know, I definitely look forward to seeing certain.

[B]

Teddi Mellencamp and she knows she doing because she had some issues cancer wise.

[A]

Yes. I will know when I see her. You know, I. I see that she's still doing her podcast with Erica and with Tamara. I had lunch with a woman yesterday. Project Angel Food is something that we love and support. And I was sold for lunch to raise money for Project Angel Food. So the woman came up from Temecula. She was lovely. This lovely, lovely woman. So we went and we had lunch with Robin Fujimoto, who's on the board of Project Angel Food. And what was my point? Oh, oh. She was telling me how she loves to listen to Erica and Teddy on her podcast. And I thought, oh, that's nice. They would like to hear that.

[B]

Yeah, no, absolutely. I mean, there seems to be a podcast thing going on. Well, there's a podcast are a thing right now, but I know there's a lot of them.

[A]

So I look forward to seeing Teddy. Erica Dorit.

[B]

Well, I think I'll be okay not going to that wedding. I think I'm gonna be fine with that.

[A]

So I'm scared. That's why I didn't push it. I was like, you know, I think Harry's gonna be fine.

[B]

I'll be okay. You had an idea.

[A]

Wait, Shit. What was I gonna say? See, this is what happens if I don't say it right away.

[B]

Are we losing our mind? I think there's a lot on our mind these days. That's why. Because there's so much going on in the world.

[A]

Yes. And that's so funny because I was just at the hair salon and we were just how people. She was like, I've been fighting with my husband this morning. I don't normally fight with him, but I think it's because of everything that's going on in the world and we just need an outlet and we're taking it out on our loved ones. And I said, you know, I think that that's a very interesting point that you're making.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I feel that everybody is under a great amount of stress and you don't know where to put it.

[B]

There's a lot of stress now. Up until like four or five years ago, the way I saw what was happening was it seemed to me that there was this giant underground aquifer of indignation and that people were looking for just anything that they could glom onto to get angry about.

[A]

Well, I saw that my last year of Housewives. It turned. Like, I'd never seen it ever, like, ever.

[B]

Yeah, so now it turned. People now are frustrated with that and.

[A]

Angry, and you just don't know what to do with it, I think. And I think our loved ones tend to be the closest to us, and we tend to, like, then snap at them. It was just so interesting to hear her say that. And I thought, wow, I get that.

[B]

So if you guys are out there, like, are experiencing domestic non tranquility, it very may be not something that's going on in the house, but something that's going on outside, Maybe in Washington, D.C. and you're not.

[A]

And you don't know what to do with it. And you're so frustrated and you're stressed out and your cortisol levels are high and your adrenals are shot.

[B]

That's right. And your amygdala gets hijacked and you're just pissed off. The plates start being thrown around the room.

[A]

You just want to scream at somebody. And boy, that happened to me my last year on that show. Man, they went crazy. They went at me like, so what.

[B]

Profession should we be in now? We should be therapists.

[A]

Well, that or, you know, I've always said we should be in the pet business.

[B]

Well, that's true.

[A]

That is just a demonstration.

[B]

You be in the pet business.

[A]

We're not in the pet business.

[B]

I do have a degree in psychology from an Ivy League place, so I can go. I have a little credibility when it comes to that. I'll be the therapist. You can start a business where you're.

[A]

Selling anything, just anything for pets.

[B]

Skin from a cow. And, you know, why are we not.

[A]

In the pet business? Why are we not selling dog food or treats or toys? Because that's where the money is.

[B]

The margins in the pet business are like, they get an animal hide for $0, cut it into little strips, cure it, and sell $15 a strip. You know, I mean, I don't understand.

[A]

$18 for like a chew strip or something.

[B]

Yeah. And they were free.

[A]

I just don't get it. Like, I'm.

[B]

I walk 100% margin.

[A]

I walk into Petco. I'm like, why? Why do I not have a piece of this? Do we have any Petco stock? Stock?

[B]

I don't know if there's a public pet company out there, but we probably should own some stock in a public pet company.

[A]

I'm telling you, that's where the money is. I keep saying that.

[B]

Or just every time I go into a pet store and I walk out and I go, oh, my God, you can't. I can't.

[A]

$75. That's low. That's low.

[B]

Anyway, and then. And then, yeah, when you go to the groomer, you know, you pay 150.

[A]

And then they ask you to tip them.

[B]

They want a tip. I go, okay, everybody wants a tip.

[A]

Everybody wants a tip. It's true. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about tips. I like them for restaurants. I think it's very important to tip your waiter.

[B]

But you notice now because these electronic things that they come up to you on the table, and then they have the tip B baked in there. And the tips start at 20%, and they go to 25 and 30%.

[A]

Now, I don't know that.

[B]

Yeah, they bring those things to the table.

[A]

Yeah, but you usually press it 20%.

[B]

25%, and 30% instead of 10, 15, and 20, which is what it used to be.

[A]

Oh, I see what you're saying now.

[B]

It's 25 and 20.

[A]

It's gone up. I see what you're saying.

[B]

I mean, so, yeah, you can't get away. I mean, now It's. I mean, 30% of what you've just spent. If you spend a hundred dollars on a meal and you gotta pay 30 bucks to the waiter.

[A]

Oh, don't get me started on fees and commission. Taxes, fees, commissions.

[B]

I asked. I asked our accountant today, I said.

[A]

Please just give you our bitch this session.

[B]

Okay, so.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Homeowner's insurance in Los Angeles. Now, if you're living in the hills, you're in a fire zone. So instead of it being like $6,000.

[A]

A year, I saw this email coming.

[B]

$130,000 a year for fire insurance. So that's just fire insurance. Then there's earthquake insurance, then there's car insurance.

[A]

Oh, I know.

[B]

There's liability insurance. There's boat insurance and car insurance and health insurance and pet insurance. And I asked Sarah this morning, I said, put it all together. I want to know the total number per year that we're spending on just on insurance. I saw it and then we got to know how much we have to make in order to pay that. Because we have taxes, fees and commissions that come into everything. So you got to bake all that in? Yeah. I mean. Yep. Okay. Pet business. I'm going to become a therapist and you're going to get in the pet business. Then we'll be okay.

[A]

Yeah, because therapists are making a good amount of money right now.

[B]

Everybody needs a therapist. And they're 500 bucks an hour.

[A]

4 or 550. 4 to 500. This is going rate in Los Angeles.

[B]

So if you do five or six of those a day, you know, five days a week, you're doing okay.

[A]

Exactly. I mean, people think that as what we do, that you make a lot of money, which you do, you make a good amount of money. But what people don't realize, taxes, fees, meaning all your agents, managers, lawyers, lawyers. Then you have a publicist. Now, I'm not complaining. I'm just. I'm just reporting because that's the job and that's the life we've chosen. But I don't think people realize how much gets taken out of that check that you think sounds really big.

[B]

Well, yeah. Inflation has taken a big bite out of that too, over the years.

[A]

And that's why almost daily I go, why haven't we done Onlyfans in some form? Why are we not doing something?

[B]

So onlyfans like to show body parts?

[A]

Well, I'm talking anything. I mean, I will like go through the whatever Daily Mail or whatever pops up on my phone. This girl just made $15 million in four weeks on OnlyFans.

[B]

What was she doing?

[A]

Well, that I don't exactly.

[B]

She might have been cannibalizing somebody.

[A]

I don't think it's that hard. I think you just show a tit or something. You show a foot. I would like to do like I got.

[B]

Your tits are nice.

[A]

My tits are great. Thank you, Harry.

[B]

I think we could get like some. I listen just by showing one. And then what if we showed both of them? Show 1.

[A]

I am almost to a point, though. I mean, I work so hard.

[B]

My tits are not as good as yours, by the way. I probably wouldn't make as much money showing my tits.

[A]

I don't know, Harry. You might make a shitload more than me. We don't know how this works.

[B]

My feet are ugly too. But your feet are nice.

[A]

You can show your feel like. What about your kneecaps? We can show your kneecaps.

[B]

Well, this cap has a scar on it, a butt cheek.

[A]

A butt cheek.

[B]

My butt. No one wants to see my butt cheek. I don't know if I'm 74 years old. You don't want to see my butt cheek. But maybe, maybe there's some fetish person out there who's going to. I think there is a million dollars to see my right butt cheek. Well, 74 year old man's right butt cheek.

[A]

You're not 74 yet. You got a couple months.

[B]

I got one month to go. But after I do this hike up in the mountains, my butt cheeks are going to be ruined.

[A]

Then you should take a photo and then maybe we show it. I just feel like sometimes I'm like, okay, you know what? I'm off. I'm not quite on my game, if I haven't investigated that. I know it doesn't sound.

[B]

But the OnlyFounds thing.

[A]

Yeah, I know it doesn't sound right in ways, but when I see how much money these people are making, I go, am I stupid?

[B]

I mean, how much money could we make if we just became our own porn stars and like went on only fans?

[A]

Like so much we could make so much money. Are you fudgeing? Kidding me? Yes.

[B]

So we could just do it and.

[A]

You know, and if we had a porn account on OnlyFans, you and me, imagine, we would probably make, I don't know, just because it's so taboo and you either want to see it or you don't want to see it, but you can't help it because it's like a car accident. So you go and pay the $15 or I don't even know how much you pay for OnlyFans to see us doing it.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Well, I think you would want to pay. You'd charge a lot. But like, I don't think.

[B]

Would it, Would it damage our careers?

[A]

Well, I'm not sure if anything would damage our careers at this point. That's what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, here's the. We're finally getting to the meat of it. Does anything like, does it matter if you do a reality show, you do a podcast, you do acting, you do whatever.

[B]

So, you know, it's that or winning.

[A]

The lottery at this point. But that I think it's easier to do. Only. Only fans.

[B]

Only fans. Well, the chances of actually getting a renumeration from only fans are a little bit better than the 150,000,000,000 to 1 chance you have of winning a billion dollars in the lottery.

[A]

But I don't know.

[B]

But. And it Will might be kind of fun to roll around on camera, you know?

[A]

No, I don't really think it would be, but I do think that we're just missing out if we don't somehow try to crack that code in a way.

[B]

The OnlyFans code and get in the pet business at the same time.

[A]

We need those two businesses. That's the two. We need OnlyFans and pet business. Maybe we can combine them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Maybe we can have, like, weird animal sex on OnlyFans.

[B]

Hey, dogs. No, not with me.

[A]

I mean, like, the animals, not me and animals.

[B]

Remember what happened when. When the. The hashtag. What did Harry do? Well, and.

[A]

And why don't we just blow that out of the water and just have you.

[B]

Well, with the.

[A]

With a dog anyway. We could just get in trouble for even talking about that. I don't know. Can you?

[B]

I. I don't know. I mean, it is what it is.

[A]

I feel like I just got in trouble for, like, saying that, like, we're gonna. Lisa and Harry, they think bestiality is okay. They're talking about, like, going on OnlyFans with it. No, we're not. We're just riffing. We're just riffing here.

[B]

Oh, God. Okay. If we get in trouble, then. Yeah. Strike us down with lightning. Anyway, so there. There you go.

[A]

I still can't remember what I was going to say. No, that really took it out the window.

[B]

So we need to get some of that nervive stuff or the stuff that you take that makes your brain work better.

[A]

I'm a lost cause at this point. It's gone. Like, I'll remember it at 3am I'll wake up and I'll go, Harry. That's what I wanted to say. God dang it. I hate when I do that. I should write it down. Well, I should write down, because I'm sure it was interesting what I had to say.

[B]

In your mind, it was interesting for sure.

[A]

Yeah, in my mind. Pets OnlyFans.

[B]

What about the therapy that just went out the window?

[A]

Not enough.

[B]

$500.

[A]

Not enough. It doesn't. Pets OnlyFans. Everything else is kind of a waste of time.

[B]

Well, okay. All right. Off we go.

[A]

So should we answer some questions from people? So I guess we're like comedians over here. Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, we're going to get in so much trouble. All right, let's. Let's answer some real questions.

[A]

Okay, let's do it. We got the room laughing, Harry. I think we should take this on the road, by the way. We got to Put that out there. We want to go on the road.

[B]

I already talked to Eve about that.

[A]

And we want to come to cities and sit in a room, and you guys can pay money to come see us. And we'll just act stupid the whole time. Yes.

[B]

From your lips to God's ear.

[A]

That's what I want to do. We travel around and have a road show.

[B]

I want to do it, too.

[A]

Road show. Harry and Lisa on the road. On the road again.

[B]

Yeah. No, I'm. I'm right there with you.

[A]

Let's do that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Neil, it don't listen.

[A]

Anyway. Okay. Okay. You guys are ready for some questions?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Hi Harry and Lisa, this is Linda. Hi, Linda. I have been married almost 40 years, and I know from experience that there's always something, whether it's little or big, that drives you crazy about your spouse. Is there something that drives you crazy or gets on your nerves about the other one? Just curious. Oh, Linda, you're so serious. She's very serious.

[B]

Is there something that bugs me about.

[A]

I'd like to know what bugs Linda about her spouse for 40 years.

[B]

40 years. After 40 years. Could be little or it could be big. I don't know. I mean.

[A]

All right, let's think about it and be honest. Really can't. Like it doesn't come to my mind.

[B]

You're always talking about my blue gum.

[A]

You don't like that doesn't really bug me, though. I mean, honestly, like, I think that truly is why we've stayed together, is because you don't bug me. There's not something that bugs me like, you don't bug me, and I am very buggable.

[B]

Well, you are buggable. I do know that. And the fact that I don't bug you is a total miracle to me because, yeah, I'm. I'm. I've seemed pretty buggy myself, but I don't bug you. That's good.

[A]

So, not big or little. I can't think of, barely. Your blue gum is your blue gum. Every once in a while it's like on my Lululemon pants. I don't like that. Like in the wash. I don't love that. But it's not like a burning like, yeah, angst moment for me.

[B]

What is.

[A]

What about me? Let's go here. What about me what? There has to be something that I do that irks you.

[B]

To me, every husband, every man that I know talks about how much their wives spend. Okay, so. Oh, well, you know, I mean, there. There is. Well, I mean, you like. You enjoy that. And to give you great joy to spend money.

[A]

Listen, I have to say something, though. In defense of myself. The way I was brought up, shopping was a sport in my family.

[B]

You've said this before.

[A]

So it's very.

[B]

Basically, if you arrived at a destination, if you're going on a trip, the first thing you did after you unpacked your bags was, let's go shopping. Yes, but for anything in particular or just the experience of shopping, the hunting, the experience. It was like you might find something you like.

[A]

It was a sport. It wasn't even me. It was my parents. I was little.

[B]

See, the difference is that I would only buy Something if I need it, I would only buy. Go to the store and buy a shirt if I needed a shirt.

[A]

This was a sport, so we didn't go to games. They liked tennis, so they would play tennis, and we would go watch tennis. But other than that, you go somewhere, you go find them all, and you go to Union Square in San Francisco and you go shopping for the whole day. So. And then you go for three days. So not just one day, you go. My grandmother lived in Albany, so that's, like, across the bridge. So you go back to her house, spend the night in her, like, I would sleep in her chenille, pink chenille bedroom, which was very grandmother, like, Right. Italian. Grandma cooked all the time. Food is love. So she wanted to feed you constantly. And she was a great cook. And made her own pasta sauce. And made her own pasta. So I grew up eating her hand, you know, made pasta. And her sauce was.

[B]

And was. Was it her sauce that made you need to buy shit? No.

[A]

My parents, that's what they wanted to do for their spare time. That was their sport. They wanted to go shopping. I don't know why.

[B]

So. But. And so you adopted the same sport.

[A]

That's all I know.

[B]

So. But all I knew, you weren't shopping for anything in particular. It was just. You might find some gem that, you know, you needed that would fill you.

[A]

Up and make you feel special.

[B]

Yeah. And where would that end up, that gem, that little thing that you bought?

[A]

Well, and here's another caveat. On top of it, my mom would always then have to return it. So there was a whole process that went on. You'd go over the bridge, you'd go shopping, and then. And remember, I'm just tagging along at this point. Cause I'm an only child. And like, you go with your parents, right? They take you places. So I have now learned later in life that I. It was ingrained in me that that's what you do. Because I see that, you know, once I moved to Los Angeles, I'm always shopping. I was always shopping.

[B]

Trust me, I'm well aware of that.

[A]

I see that the kids don't do that. Like, the girls are not shoppers, like I became. Because we didn't have that as a. As our sport.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[A]

So.

[B]

Well, you're good at it.

[A]

I'm great at it.

[B]

You're really good at it.

[A]

I'm really good at it.

[B]

Yes. But you look at the American Express bill and you'll find out how good you are.

[A]

I know I can't get it Down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're an expert in fan. I am. And that's why OnlyFans could come handy. To wipe out my American Express bill. Because my American Express bill is high. It's really high. What else is gonna wipe it out?

[B]

What?

[A]

So what's gonna wipe it out?

[B]

I don't know. The two of us having casual sex on camera.

[A]

It might be the only way.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Well, yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna think of a few other ways. I'm gonna try and, you know.

[A]

You know, maybe that's my goal.

[B]

Make some more movies or something like that. I'll write some songs. You'll be creative. You'll write a book. We'll do all kinds of stuff.

[A]

That's my goal.

[B]

Get my start selling pet products.

[A]

Get my American Express down to zero. Can you imagine?

[B]

Possible. I'm sorry. That would be amazing. Wouldn't that be something?

[A]

It's a goal.

[B]

That's a goal. It's a long term goal. Sure.

[A]

I mean, as long term as it. How long is it going to take? Depending on how long I hold out for OnlyFans.

[B]

Well, I mean, depending upon what we end up doing on Only Fans, maybe it's possible we could get rid of that bill in one day, you know.

[A]

Well, that would be a nice thing.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We could have fun doing it too. You never know. I just don't want to look at the comments. The last thing I want to do is look at the Only fans. I doubt you would ever want to.

[A]

Look at those comments.

[B]

Yeah, we don't want to see the comments.

[A]

But anyway, if anyone has any ideas about how to get my American Express bill down, let me know. I mean, I don't know how to do it. I don't know how.

[B]

Cutting it in half and throwing it away might help.

[A]

I have the number memorized, though. I am down to two credit cards. Two. They're just really high.

[B]

You're making progress.

[A]

How many people just have two credit cards? Come on. Two.

[B]

Really?

[A]

That's good. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

As much of a shopper I've become. Much better. I will say.

[B]

And in your defense. And I have to defend you because.

[A]

You're going to defend me?

[B]

Yeah. Because what you spent the money on has given you a new brand. And you are now, you know, so revered and respected as a fashion editor, as a fashionista that that would not have happened had you not blown your American Express bill into smithereens. So I have to say that, yes, you spell some dough, but that has worked out because look, you've. You're. You're understood now as a whole different kind of person than you were before. You're not just an actress, not just a reality star. You're now a huge fashion maven. You know, so. And that takes money.

[A]

It does take money.

[B]

So.

[A]

It certainly does.

[B]

Now we just have to turn that brand into money. So anybody out there who wants to.

[A]

Oh, it is. It's being turned into money. It's just not as quick as OnlyFans. OnlyFans would be.

[B]

Yeah, okay, well, I think we should go with that strategy and. As opposed to the Onlyfans. Until we're desperate.

[A]

Until we're desperate. Could be tomorrow. I don't know.

[B]

I mean, how do we get positively.

[A]

I know, but how? First of all, what if we just didn't pay for any insurance? We just wiped that out? Because that, my friend, would cover my American Express. That would cover it twice over.

[B]

Yeah, actually, but we have to pay insurance because, you know, then, you know, if something happens and you don't have it, I mean, do you think people.

[A]

Out there listening have these same issues that we have? What, are they nodding their heads? Are they like, oh, these apps, they are fools, and they are just in a mess.

[B]

Look, anybody who lives in California has experienced the insurance bubble. I mean, after the fires in Pacific Palisades and. And in Pasadena and Altadena, then, you know, the insurance companies are losing billions of dollars on that. So our premiums are going way up. And, you know, you have to have insurance if you have a mortgage. If you don't have a mortgage, you don't have to have insurance. But then you're without insurance, and if your house burns down, you're basically fucked, so.

[A]

Well, people's houses burned down. They were fucked. And they had insurance.

[B]

Well, that's true.

[A]

That doesn't really hold here either, so.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So what does that tell you?

[B]

It'll be interesting to find out when they come up with. With the. The grand total of what we pay in a year in insurance.

[A]

You didn't see the grand total. I saw it.

[B]

Oh, you did?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I don't want to know what it is.

[A]

Yeah, we'll cover my American Express bill twice. Twice over.

[B]

Okay. All right. I don't want to know at the.

[A]

Moment, but anyway, we have to keep working, guys. They're like, why do you have to hustle so hard?

[B]

Well, yeah, because I'm not on Only Fans. We have. We do have some acquaintances who are on Only Fans, right. Who made a lot of money on OnlyFans, right?

[A]

Allegedly. Yeah, allegedly.

[B]

Trust me. That you're not going to find me anytime soon. Dressing or undressing for onlyfans. I'm going to skip that one. Well, it's all yours, baby.

[A]

Oh, great. Thanks.

[B]

Go for it. You got nice feet.

[A]

I might do. My feet. I could. My feet are good.

[B]

You know, your left boob is pretty good, too.

[A]

My left one's better than my right. My boobs are good. I'm going to tell you one thing. I can't tell you much about Traders. I can't talk about it, but there's one moment, one moment where. Have I even told you this story? Probably not.

[B]

You haven't told me the story. I don't know what it is.

[A]

Well, there is a person on Traders that's been announced, so we know. Monet Exchange, the drag queen is on Traders. And one of the greatest compliments I felt like I've gotten in a long time. When you're doing Traders, everybody at times is dressing in the same room. Nobody really knows that, but it tends to happen, right? You're rushing, you're getting ready for a challenge, whatever. Well, it happened this one moment. I was in a room at this point, you don't even care. You're just taking your. I'm that way anyway. I just take my clothes off anywhere.

[B]

That is true. I've seen you take your clothes off. Pretty much.

[A]

I will take. I mean, I. People are like, do you need to go behind? I'm like, no, I'm going to do it right here. Quick, easy. Take my clothes off. So I do that anyway. If I'm at a photo shoot.

[B]

As do I. Same thing.

[A]

Yeah. I just take my clothes off. I don't care.

[B]

So, you know, I was naked in front of a lot of people for two seasons on Equis, so.

[A]

Yeah, you don't care.

[B]

Got that out of my system.

[A]

Yeah. So that's how I am. Right. So all of a sudden, I am changing and I got a very high compliment from Monetary about your left tit. No. Both of them said, wow, Rinna, you have great boobs. You've got great boobs. And I said, thank you.

[B]

You do have great boobs.

[A]

But this is. You know, when you get that from a drag queen, it's like, high praise.

[B]

That is high praise.

[A]

High praise. Renna, you got good boobs. I was like, thank you.

[B]

So there you go. Onlyfans, one at a time.

[A]

And, you know, just my boob and not my face.

[B]

Just. How about just the. Just the areola? Just the nipple. Just show the nipple. How about do you remember that time that. That guy, the manager of mine tell this story. Okay. Lovely guy. I don't know. I haven't seen him in many, many years.

[A]

But we went to his house for dinner. Like I'm going to say ten years ago.

[B]

Okay, but then that's a long time ago then. But many, many years before I met you.

[A]

Before that.

[B]

Before I met you. Yeah, when Making Love. The movie, the. The first gay theme movie that 20th Century Fox had ever done. And I played sort of the gay hustler in it.

[A]

Not sort of. You were.

[B]

Yeah, I did play the gay hustler in it, but so wanted to represent me as a manager after he had seen the movie and invited me to his house with Burt Bacharach and Carol Baraseager. She was there and I think. And the song had just been done by Roberta Flack.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I'm not sure if Roberta was there or not at the dinner, but. But I walked into the room, into his house, and he had the strangest artwork on the walls, but it was repeated all over the place. So there was a big picture on the wall of this abstract expression. It looked like a mountain. I almost thought it was like Ayers Rock, because there's this red mountain. And it was like, what is that? And then down on the coffee table there was an 8 by 10 of the same image. And then I thought, this guy's like into this image, whatever it is. And then there's another painting on the wall, like four by six, and it's the same image. And I'm going, what on earth is this guy into? You know? Turns out he had taken the Richard Avedon photograph that I had done with the other cast members with Michael on Kane and Kate Jackson, in which.

[A]

I love this story.

[B]

In which I was bare chested and he thought that my left nipple was so intriguing that he had it blown up. And it was in these gigantic pictures on the wall. And then all over. On 8 by 10 photographs all over the house. And it was like. It took me a while, but I go, wait a minute, that's my tit.

[A]

You recognize your own tit?

[B]

My tit. You know, in his house. In his house. And I'm going, why has this man put my tit all over the house? You know? And it was his way of somehow getting me to sign with him.

[A]

Creepy.

[B]

I. Yeah, it's like, okay, I'm sorry, but. But I'm not. I didn't sign with him and. And had he not done that, you.

[A]

Might have signed with him.

[B]

Well, I Might have considered it, but, I mean, that was too freaking weird.

[A]

It's weird, but I give him props for taking the risk.

[B]

Really? The risk? Okay.

[A]

It's like throwing your boob around his house like that. It's weird. It's weird. But you've joked about it with him since. Cause you joked about it when we went to dinner at his house.

[B]

Yeah, it's funny. I mean, there' about it. That's creepy, but it's also kind of. Okay. What were you thinking? Okay, but I think you want a.

[A]

Little more than to represent you.

[B]

But if. But if my tit, it's possible, but maybe that tit could make some money on onlyfans.

[A]

Why don't we try it? Let's start with your tit, and then we'll go to mine.

[B]

We can do one at a time. Just one at a boob.

[A]

No face, just a boob.

[B]

This is a good strategy. I think we've come up with a good strategy. So.

[A]

All right, let's think on it.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Holy.

[A]

So basically, we have to go back. My shopping bothers you?

[B]

Oh, to answer this question.

[A]

Yeah. We went so fucking far off this question. Does my shopping bug you?

[B]

Well, not really that much.

[A]

Your voice just went up. Well, not really. Not really. Well, does my shop really. Does my shopping really, like, irk you? Really? Well, you can say yes. Does it?

[B]

No, because, look, if it had really irked me, I probably would have come down on harder long ago. Right?

[A]

Because you see the value in it, that it wasn't empty. Shopping just to fill up my needs and fill myself up. Well, yes, the empty hole that I have in myself trying to fill it.

[B]

It was exactly that. It's just that the. The byproduct, the unintended consequence of. Of that filling up that hole was that you became a great fashionist.

[A]

Have you seen my closet, though? Have you gone in there and seen my shoe collection and how fabulous it is?

[B]

I've counted them.

[A]

I know.

[B]

How many? A thousand pairs of shoes.

[A]

No.

[B]

A thousand shoes. 500 pairs of shoes. A thousand shoes. No, you and Imelda are right there, right? Neck and neck.

[A]

I have really good shoes.

[B]

I know you've got great shoes.

[A]

I can say you could go and dress yourself in anything and I will have a pair of shoes for you. Like, if you went into my closet and you're like, okay, I'm gonna wear this out. You brought your own outfit. I guarantee you I would have a pair of shoes for you if you had the same size.

[B]

Well, I've never Worn high heeled shoes before.

[A]

Well, I'm talking about a woman. Because you'd have to have.

[B]

Well, you're saying if you came into.

[A]

Your size of foot, but if someone came in with just a random outfit, I would have shoes for that outfit, no question.

[B]

I know that you will have shoes for the rest of your life if you never bought another pair of shoes. And do you need more shoes?

[A]

Well, they change, you know, that's what it is.

[B]

They change. The styles change. You gotta keep up with the style.

[A]

They'll go to platform and then they'll go to thin spiky heel. They're very smart, you know, that's consumerism. It's very smart. They change it up every.

[B]

Yeah, but you've got all this vintage stuff and that's what's really.

[A]

Well, the vintage stuff is so good.

[B]

Yeah. So you never have to buy another pair of shoes for the rest of your life because you've got a thousand pairs of vintage shoes.

[A]

I do have a good vintage collection.

[B]

So you're good. You're set. And you don't have to buy any more clothes either because your closet is filled with clothes that still have the tags on them.

[A]

It's a problem. I know it's an issue, but I make it work. We make it work.

[B]

Okay, so is that why the real real pulls up to our house once every 10 days?

[A]

Well, it. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because I, I do get rid of some things that, you know.

[B]

The real real, by the way, is a, it's a, it's a secondhand shopping experience. Sell your stuff, but they only like design.

[A]

And you can buy good stuff on there too.

[B]

Well, I know, I'm sure you've bought a lot of stuff.

[A]

Plenty.

[B]

Yeah, but do you need all that stuff?

[A]

Well, you know, there's a difference between need and want.

[B]

And at this level, what you want.

[A]

At this level, I have no real need, but I have a big want.

[B]

Okay. So I think that it's time to study a little bit more Buddhism maybe, so you can get rid of the desire.

[A]

No, it's too late. I'm too old.

[B]

No, no, no. It's never too late.

[A]

It's too late.

[B]

Never too late. No, no, no. You could, I could share a little.

[A]

Bit with you because we. Okay, my new goal is we go got to get you a new pair of jeans and a new pair of shoes. We have to. I have literally seen these jeans 4,000 times. We've got to get another pair. We have to.

[B]

If you can find another pair of jeans, I'm Always looking for jeans, but I never find a good pair.

[A]

Guys, who makes jeans out there? Get Harry a new pair of jeans, please. We need jeans and we need shoes.

[B]

Okay. If you guys take that to heart, I expect to find big boxes of jerk beef jerky and stuff. What is it we talked about on the show and all of a sudden.

[A]

Slim Jims. My Slim Jims came.

[B]

You talked about Slim Jims on the show one time, and we got.

[A]

What kind of jeans do you like and what kind of shoes do you like? Put it out there because we need some for you. We're gonna. We're gonna just take a little of.

[B]

What I buy, you know, that fit my body.

[A]

Well, what are those jeans?

[B]

I think these are sevens for all mankind.

[A]

And your shoes are Nike.

[B]

My shoes are Nike and. Well, they're brand new.

[A]

They don't look brand new.

[B]

Well, I got them.

[A]

How? What's brand new? Something June is six months ago is not brand new.

[B]

Well, that's brand new to me.

[A]

I know, but we're gonna work on that, okay? We're gonna get you some new jeans.

[B]

Yeah, well, you might have to get me an American Express card then, so.

[A]

Oh, that's easy. You already have that. But that's easy. Oh, how about this, though? One more thing before we go. We found out we had so many American Express cards that we didn't even know we were having that we paid. You don't know about this?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh, I'll tell you about it. So we changed business managers. That's what happens when you change business managers. They go through everything and they kind of fix, like, stuff that.

[B]

So we had American Express cards that we weren't using.

[A]

No. And we were paying five or six hundred dollars a year to manage to pay a fee.

[B]

Well, that's wrong.

[A]

We had a lot of them. Oh, you had about four, and I had three like that. Like a lot for a long time.

[B]

So maybe that happened when we had the stores and we got credit cards for the stores because we had to buy merchandise for the stores.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

So that means they've been hanging around since 2000.

[A]

We were paying for. We were paying like $2,500 a year for credit cards we weren't using. So it's not just my shopping. There's some fat that needs to be cut.

[B]

So you got. Nothing about me bugs you? The only thing that bugs me, you.

[A]

Well, maybe that you've worn the same jeans for a year. Maybe that's.

[B]

It doesn't really bug me that I like comfortable stuff. You get to be a guy and.

[A]

You'Re old, it's a good thing. You're cute. You get away with it.

[B]

You're still cute.

[A]

Yeah, okay, you get away with it. But we're gonna work on it, all right? Because you should have two pair of jeans.

[B]

Well, I've got another pair. They're not quite as comfortable as these, that's all.

[A]

I literally have not seen you in another pair of jeans for six months.

[B]

Yesterday I was wearing a different pair of jeans. They just look the same. They were different. These are brand new. I put these on today, so, just so you know.

[A]

Oh, really? Can you prove that?

[B]

I could if you go and look in the hamper. I'm gonna see the jeans I was wearing yesterday in the hamper. Yes, you will.

[A]

I'm not sure I buy that.

[B]

Well, so far.

[A]

I'm going to go look. Did you say fuck you?

[B]

Well, you buy all these other things, you won't buy that. Come on.

[A]

Well, hey, everybody. I don't know. All right, we're done.

[B]

Thanks for checking in. One more time. Let's not talk about me. There you go.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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