Life Update: Paris Couture Fashion Week, Lisa's Health Issues, Harry's Advocacy Work & More

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Life Update: Paris Couture Fashion Week, Lisa's Health Issues, Harry's Advocacy Work & More"

Released on March 14, 2025

Introduction

In this episode of "Let's Not Talk About The Husband" hosted by Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin, the dynamic Hollywood couple delves into a multitude of personal and professional updates. From Lisa's ongoing health struggles and experiences at Paris Couture Fashion Week to Harry's dedicated advocacy for the arts, the episode is a blend of candid conversations, humorous anecdotes, and heartfelt insights.

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1. Lisa's Health Challenges and Insights

Timestamp: 00:35 – 10:04

Lisa Rinna opens up about her recent health issues, primarily focusing on persistent sinus infections and jaw pain associated with TMJ (temporomandibular joint) disorders. She narrates her experience of performing in the Broadway production of Chicago, highlighting the toll it took on her vocal cords due to the demanding schedule of eight shows a week.

Lisa Rinna [01:12]: "But I would get sick and lose my voice. And if you're doing eight shows a week now, you have a very trained stage voice."

To combat her sinus infections and vocal strain, Lisa shares her routine of visiting Dr. Korven, an esteemed ear, nose, and throat specialist. She humorously describes the challenges of waiting for prescriptions in the freezing cold of New York while battling both a fever and a sinus infection.

Lisa Rinna [02:33]: "I thought back to a little parenting thing that we did back with Delilah when she turned 16 years old."

The conversation takes a lighthearted turn as they reminisce about previously using drug tests as a teenage parental strategy, drawing parallels to Lisa's current predicament. Lisa candidly discusses her struggle with benzo withdrawal symptoms, exacerbated by her recent steroid treatments for her jaw.

Lisa Rinna [09:03]: "I'm thinking cardiologist. I haven't seen a cardiologist yet. Maybe I should."

Despite the challenges, Lisa maintains a positive outlook, expressing confidence in her recovery by the following Monday.

Lisa Rinna [14:32]: "But I don't really know what it is. But I will be better. I bet you by next Monday, I'm better."

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2. Paris Couture Fashion Week Adventures

Timestamp: 10:04 – 22:16

Transitioning from health to high fashion, Lisa shares her exhilarating experience at Paris Couture Fashion Week. She describes the opulent and avant-garde outfits she donned, including a memorable red wig and a polka dot ensemble by Victor and Rolf.

Lisa Rinna [15:50]: "Paris was Jean Paul Gaultier with the Madonna blonde wig and the stripes."

The episode captures the humorous side of attending such high-profile events, with Lisa recounting mishaps like navigating doorways in oversized couture pieces.

Lisa Rinna [16:00]: "I was hitting the doorway. Like, I would walk through my hotel room, and it would hit the doorway. When I got in the car, it hit the car. I mean, it was fucking hilarious."

Harry adds his observations on Lisa's transformative fashion choices, praising her ability to pull off the most outrageous looks with grace.

Harry Hamlin [11:13]: "I have had. I've seen pictures of me recently where I look completely stressed out. Like, my face is like, help me."

The couple also discusses their interactions with friends in the fashion industry, including Frederick and Steph from Copenhagen, highlighting the blend of creativity and camaraderie that defines their social circles.

Lisa Rinna [21:01]: "She's wearing Free City sweatpants and a James purse T-shirt and a. What's that sweatshirt I wear? The brand of it."

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3. Harry's Advocacy for the Arts

Timestamp: 22:16 – 37:33

Shifting focus to Harry Hamlin's endeavors, he elaborates on his role with the Creative Coalition—a group dedicated to advocating for the arts. Harry emphasizes the importance of the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) and recounts his experiences lobbying in Washington D.C. to preserve its funding.

Harry Hamlin [32:46]: "He had to change his vote because it was now public that he had said that Driving Miss Daisy was the one great movie that he'd seen in the last decade."

Harry narrates a particularly impactful meeting with a senator, where his preparation and quick thinking led to a pivotal change in the senator's stance on the NEA.

Harry Hamlin [35:13]: "Because I had done my homework the night before, and the guy had to change his vote because it was now public that he had said that Driving Miss Daisy was the one great movie that he'd seen in the last decade."

He passionately advocates for the integration of arts in education, highlighting studies that demonstrate the positive impact of arts on cognitive development and academic performance.

Harry Hamlin [36:11]: "Studies have been done from here to eternity about how if you involve kids with arts in kindergarten... they are much smarter in the long run, have much better test scores and go on to have much better careers."

Harry's commitment underscores the episode's theme of leveraging individual power to effect meaningful change.

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4. Family, Humor, and Future Plans

Timestamp: 37:33 – 39:41

The episode concludes with the couple reflecting on their family dynamics and playful banter about Harry potentially dressing in couture or even drag for future fashion events. Their light-hearted exchanges showcase the strong bond and mutual support that define their relationship.

Lisa Rinna [26:29]: "If you took a little bit of Benzo from November to February and then you say to yourself, I'm gonna stop because this doesn't feel good. I think I have withdrawal symptoms going on on top of everything else."

Harry recalls a childhood anecdote about dressing up, adding a nostalgic and humorous touch to their conversation.

Harry Hamlin [25:57]: "But I got her. And then... that was the very last time I ever dressed up as a girl."

The hosts wrap up the episode on an uplifting note, emphasizing the power of individual actions and positive mindset.

Lisa Rinna [37:24]: "The right to bear arts. High five. That's good. Really."

Harry Hamlin [38:04]: "So you've been wearing really interesting clothes and I've been trying to save the world of the art world."

They encourage listeners to engage with their advocacy efforts and maintain hope and resilience in their personal challenges.

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Notable Quotes

• Lisa Rinna [01:12]: "But I would get sick and lose my voice. And if you're doing eight shows a week now, you have a very trained stage voice."

• Harry Hamlin [35:13]: "Because I had done my homework the night before, and the guy had to change his vote because it was now public that he had said that Driving Miss Daisy was the one great movie that he'd seen in the last decade."

• Harry Hamlin [36:11]: "Studies have been done from here to eternity about how if you involve kids with arts in kindergarten... they are much smarter in the long run, have much better test scores and go on to have much better careers."

• Lisa Rinna [37:24]: "The right to bear arts. High five. That's good. Really."

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Conclusion

This episode of "Let's Not Talk About The Husband" offers a heartfelt glimpse into the lives of Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin. Balancing personal health struggles with high-fashion escapades and significant advocacy work, the couple exemplifies resilience, creativity, and unwavering support for each other and the causes they believe in. Their authentic storytelling and infectious humor make for an engaging listen, inspiring listeners to take charge of their own lives and advocate for the arts.

Transcript

[Dr. Will Cole]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Lisa Rinna]

Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this is let's not Talk about the Husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been together for over 30 years, and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell. And on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Hi, everybody. Welcome to let's Not Talk about the Husband. It's Friday. It's another podcast day.

[Lisa Rinna]

It sure is.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Hi.

[Harry Hamlin]

Hi.

[Lisa Rinna]

Hi. We've been busy lately. We've been traveling all over the place. Yeah, all over the place. I have a little story to tell you. I was in New York with you, actually, but this is after you left, so we'll go back to that. And, you know, I hadn't been feeling well, so I had to go see Dr. Korven, who's, like, the ear, nose, and throat specialist in the world.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Cause you've been kind of under the weather for a while.

[Lisa Rinna]

I've been under the weather. I was having a sinus infection moment, so I, of course, went to see her because. Remember when we were doing Chicago on Broadway?

[Harry Hamlin]

Sure. How could I forget doing Chicago on Broadway with my wife?

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. Amazing. But I would get sick and lose my voice. And if you're doing eight shows a week now, you have a very trained stage voice. I, on the other hand, do not. I trained as much as I could to get ready for Chicago with Eric Vitro, the best in the world, but still, I'm not a trained stage actor.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, if you're gonna go and do a Broadway show, you have to strengthen your voice. Training, strengthening, both, the same thing. But, you know, you're gonna be doing eight shows a week. You're gonna be belting, you're gonna be singing. Your vocal cords have to be strong, really strong, or you're gonna get hoarse.

[Lisa Rinna]

Mine were not. And so I had to go see Dr. Corvin all the time, and she'd shoot me with those steroids so I could fricking sing.

[Harry Hamlin]

And she shot you in the butt for steroids for your vocal cords?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Oh, and then I'd be able to go and sing. So I go to see her, and then I have to go to CVS to get my prescription. So I go. And of course, you have to wait because it's not ready. So, anyway, long story short, it's getting.

[Harry Hamlin]

Longer all the time.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. Well, sometimes I'm breathy and Wordy. So I'm sitting. Sitting in a chair across from the pickup and drop off of the pharmacy pharmacists. And I sit down and it's freezing cold in New York, so I've got 10 layers on. It is so hard in New York to move around when it's cold.

[Harry Hamlin]

And what are you sitting on? Is there a chair in the pharmacy?

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a little plastic chair that people can wait or they're waiting to get their shots. Shots. So I'm sweating profusely because I have a fever and I have a sinus infection or whatever, and I've got 10 layers of clothes on. I'm just sweating, sweating, sweating, going, oh, my God, it's so fucking hard to live in New York. How do people do it? And, you know, I'm having my own inner dialogue, but I look across from me and there are these drug tests lined up. You know, the kind that you have to pee in a cup.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I thought back to a little parenting thing that we did back with Delilah when she turned 16 years old.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

I ordered drug tests off of Amazon. And we scared the fuck bejesus out of her.

[Harry Hamlin]

Didn't we? Put them on the kitchen table or something? And she walks in and she says, what are these? Those are drug tests. You come home a little bit late, we're gonna administer the drug. Tell me the story.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just think that we got them and we had them out. And we were like, you know, just so, you know, we could drug test you at any time. She had just gotten her license, and we scared the fricking bejesus out of her with those drug tests.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did we ever administer a drug test to her? I don't think we ever tested it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't think we did. But I think it scared them in. I mean, they both were scared by it. Because then Amelia saw it anyway. I'm sitting right across from them, and I just. It burst into my mind. I was like, do you remember when we used to threaten a drug test?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Do we still have those around? Because I could use them on you. You know, I mean. I mean, let's talk about where you are right now, like, what you're going through right now. What happened? What do you think has happened? So you've been sick for about three weeks, right? Three or four weeks. And you've been under the weather and you don't know what it is. And we've been wanting all these doctors. What is it?

[Lisa Rinna]

I think it's many things. I think it's a lot of things. I think maybe I'm going to sound like such a freaking hypochondriac. I really am.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm just going to go back to these drug tests. Do the drug test. Test for benzodiazepine.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, they test for everything. They test for coke. They test for a list of every single drug.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so why don't you talk about where you. Where you are right now?

[Lisa Rinna]

I will. Okay, so first of all, my jaw starts to hurt.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, your jaw has been hurting. You're saying it's TMJ or something like that. But I. You mean your jaw not just hurting? I mean, it's hurting with a capital H. It's hurting on fire.

[Lisa Rinna]

So a year ago, I'm in Canada doing co hosting, or not co hosting, judging RuPaul's Drag Race. Canada. Whatever the world. Whatever it was called something, whatever.

[Harry Hamlin]

It doesn't matter. You were judging RuPaul's.

[Lisa Rinna]

My jaw was killing me a year ago. I didn't know what to do. So somebody said, you should get Botox shot in your jaw. And I was like, all right, this.

[Harry Hamlin]

Botox thing, it's going everywhere. It's going into your neck. People putting their jaws.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, migraines.

[Harry Hamlin]

And didn't we hear last night that men are putting it in their penises?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, hold on. We are all over the place. What we heard last night on the late night talk show.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

What's his name? Colbert.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, Stephen Colbert.

[Lisa Rinna]

Stephen Colbert. So allegedly finance bros. This is what it read. Finance bros are getting filler put into their penises and their scrotums to make them bigger.

[Harry Hamlin]

Filler. Not Botox.

[Lisa Rinna]

Botox is different than filler. Botox is a muscle, like relaxer.

[Harry Hamlin]

Botulism toxin.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So it's the stuff that people used to die from eating canned food that had botulism in it. Now they're injecting it into their stomach.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. So, I mean, that could be my issue right there. I mean, if you just think of it like that, it could just be botulism all over my body.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because you've had Botox.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're admitting you've had Botox. It's very brave of you to admit that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm talking about it being shot in my jaw right now.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh.

[Lisa Rinna]

Which by the way, helped. Then I went and got a stent, which is like a mouth guard, but it's different.

[Harry Hamlin]

A stint.

[Lisa Rinna]

A stint.

[Harry Hamlin]

A stint is like you put it in your heart to keep.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but this is for your mouth. So I went to a TMJ dentist. She made a stent for my mouth. So this has been going on for a year, Right?

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

So all of a sudden, just now, in January, just after we came home from Cayman, my jaw starts to hurt again. And I'm like, what is going on?

[Harry Hamlin]

So what is going on?

[Lisa Rinna]

I go to Paris and I'm powering through, having a great old time, but my jaw's hurting more and more, and the more I talk, more it hurts. So we know it's hurting a lot because I fucking can't shut up, right?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I guess that's, you know, from your lips to God's ear, you can't shut up. Okay?

[Lisa Rinna]

So then I go to New York and I feel sicker, like I have the flu. So now it's. The jaw's hurting, but now I've got a fever and chills.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so you're fucked up.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then my sinuses start to go.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so you're really fucked up and.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm really fucked up.

[Harry Hamlin]

But why is this happening? What is, in your estimation? What's going on?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I thought sinus infection, flu, two different antibiotics, everything still hurts.

[Harry Hamlin]

What about this? This little bug that you got bitten by in Cayman? We were talking about that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, what did you call that again? Or.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's Oropouche virus. It's a common virus in the northern part of the southern hemisphere. It's equatorial. It's happening in the Caribbean. And we were in the Caribbean, and you did get bitten by one person.

[Lisa Rinna]

So what if I have all of it and then I am put on prednisone while I'm taking the antibiotics?

[Harry Hamlin]

So you got a steroid happening, too?

[Lisa Rinna]

I can't sleep for the life of me on a steroid. So guess what? I have some Halcyon that I've been taking when I travel.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay? It's a sleeping pill.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a sleeping pill.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay? And it's.

[Lisa Rinna]

Which happens to be a benzo.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's a benzodiazepine. Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Now, I think most people know that I already had an issue with this when I was on Housewives and I was taking Restoril for four years to sleep.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. It's also a benzo, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then I titrated off of that because I was, like, not remembering things. It was affecting my memory. And I was like, I gotta get off this. I cannot be doing housewives and not fucking remember what's going, you know, coming on, going on.

[Harry Hamlin]

So what's going on now?

[Lisa Rinna]

So now this is what I think about almost two weeks ago, I thought I said, I'm not gonna take this anymore. This halcyon's making me feel weird. I don't like it. I took it for about a month or more, maybe even a little more, because also after the election, I called my doctor and I said, I think I need a little bit of Xanax.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, so you thought there might be a little bit of chaos out there, so you might.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, so a little bit of. I got that. But if you take a little bit of Benzo from November to February and then you say to yourself, I'm gonna stop because this doesn't feel good. I think I have withdrawal symptoms going on on top of everything else.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. And we've.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because I've Googled all of it for 45,000 hours about Google.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right? So it's all about.

[Lisa Rinna]

I've googled everything you could possibly Google.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we have this. This device right, right here. And we can go on this device and we can find out all the stuff that we think might be going on.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I think I have it all.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's a rabbit hole that you can go down forever. So you've got, I mean, potentially sinus infection, TMJ infection, the flu. You're also coming off of benzo. You're having withdrawal symptoms from benzo. And on top of all of that, you got bitten by a bug, and you have orobush, or whatever it's called, virus, viral attack going on in your body. And so you're all up. But you look really cute. I mean, you look really cute. I mean, I love the hat. I love the turtle. Yeah, I've always looked great in turtles.

[Lisa Rinna]

I have had. I've seen pictures of me recently where I look completely stressed out. Like, my face is like, help me. Because I haven't felt good for a month. And I'm not a complainer, but I've complained more than ever because I can't figure it out.

[Harry Hamlin]

I haven't been around that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I apologize. But yet, you know, that happens, like, you know, for better or worse.

[Harry Hamlin]

But the trips, they were successful, were they not? I mean, you went to Paris. You went to Paris. And we're going to have to come up with some pictures to show of all the unbelievable, unbelievable outfits that you wore when you were in Paris.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have you seen them all?

[Harry Hamlin]

I've seen most of them, and they're pretty outrageous. I mean, we're going to have to show some pics because, I mean, these things, the things that they put you in when you walk around In Paris. I mean, they're, they are out to lunch.

[Lisa Rinna]

The things that we put me in. Because, you know, I have to co sign, you know, I'm not, I'm not.

[Harry Hamlin]

The things that you come up with, put it that way. You come up with the most outrageous shit. I mean. And I go, yeah, but it works somehow. Not only it's like totally weird and off, off the charts weird and yet you are like phenomenally beautiful wearing all this stuff. And I go, yeah, no, but it's true.

[Lisa Rinna]

Why do you think it works? Like, who would have ever thought two and a half years ago that this would be my life? Well, I wouldn't have seen it.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's how the future works. You never have any clue what's going to happen. You know, who would have thought that I'd be selling sauce, right? You know, two and a half years ago, the idea of me having a sauce out there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Read that review that you told me you got. I would like you since we're talking about the sauce.

[Harry Hamlin]

So let me, let me read this review. Okay, well, it's not, it's a, it's something somebody who, who tried the sauce. Okay, here it goes. And this is from Penny J. Not going to say her last name because anyway. So Penny J, where'd this come into?

[Lisa Rinna]

How did you get it?

[Harry Hamlin]

It came into our [e-mail] which you can, we could write reviews and stuff there. So it's, it's titled the best tasting in big bold letters and then it says, I've been wanting to try Harry's sauce ever since he served it on housewives. Recently my cardiologist said I needed to try a lifestyle change and change my diet. So we agreed I'd try a Mediterranean diet. So searching for the right kinds of food to eat, Harry's sauce popped up. I read the ingredients and ordered six jars. Let me say this is really the best sauce I've eaten in a long time. I enjoyed it so much I took a jar to my cardiologist on my next visit. Let me close with, I've been on the Mediterranean diet for a little over six weeks and I've lost 12 pounds. Harry's sauce has helped me drop some, some much needed weight.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

This sauce is. Wow. This sauce is plant based, fresh ingredients and vegan friendly. I will be keeping this in my pantry for sure. Thank you, Harry for a great product. I can't wait to see what you come up with in the future. Respectfully, Penny J. And she's attaching the verified buyer badge below. Because I guess people like, you know.

[Lisa Rinna]

What does that mean?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I. I think people who work for a company could write a review like this and make it look like they actually tried it, but they didn't. I mean, just like, you know, just somebody writing a fake review in order to get your reviews higher. So they have a. I guess there's a verified buyer's badge. You can. You know, so if you. If so, you can. Instead of claiming to be someone who tried the sauce, you can be proven to be somebody who actually tried the sauce.

[Lisa Rinna]

So look at what you learned new every day. Look what I learned new every day. Hey, I wonder if I should call her cardio cardiologist and have him check me out. That's where my mind went. As you're talking about your sauce and how great it is, I'm thinking cardiologist. I haven't seen a cardiologist yet. Maybe I should.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's definitely a hypochondriacal. Thought so. Yeah. But anyway, you look like.

[Lisa Rinna]

You look really cute. Seriously?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I feel like.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you look cute, so that's, you know, it's a good thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay. Anyway, enough about me and my illnesses. I'm gonna get better. I'm gonna be okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yes, you are.

[Lisa Rinna]

But I don't really know what it is. But I will be better. I bet you by next Monday, I'm better.

[Harry Hamlin]

Without question, you'll be better.

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[Lisa Rinna]

Anyway, more on.

[Harry Hamlin]

More on your Paris trip. I want to hear more about what you did.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let me ask you of the looks that you saw. Which one did you go, oh, I really like this one. Because you might like more than others.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, you have so many bold, interesting looks that have come out in so many different places. There's no way for me to place the one in Paris. I mean, the magazine. You came out in Canada, the fashion magazine had some of the most outrageous looks I've ever seen, but none of those was in Paris.

[Lisa Rinna]

Paris was Jean Paul Gaultier with the Madonna blonde wig and the stripes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Where was the big polka dot? Where was the one.

[Lisa Rinna]

The big polka dot was Victor and Rolf.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's also Paris. Right?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's Paris. And I wore the red wig.

[Harry Hamlin]

And is that the one where people are saying, you look like olive oil?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, our neighbors said that. Thanks, Felicia. But of course, we knew exactly who. So the outfit had a cardboard circle that you literally put on it. And this is what's really funny. If you saw me, like, trying to get through life in these outfits where.

[Harry Hamlin]

You couldn't get into a car this.

[Lisa Rinna]

Big, I was hitting the doorway. Like, I would walk through my hotel room, and it would hit the doorway. When I got in the car, it hit the car. I mean, it was fucking hilarious.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

But I am funny in these outfits because you know what happens to me? Because I love the expression of the creation of it. I become. I become a character when I put these on. I truly do. So for instance, when I had the Victor and Rolf polka dot with the red wig, all of a sudden I become whatever that is.

[Harry Hamlin]

What was that? How would you. What would her name be? And then what would she. What would her.

[Lisa Rinna]

Would she be naming them again?

[Harry Hamlin]

She'd be like a spy.

[Lisa Rinna]

Now it's clown. Like, a little bit.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because she'd be a clown.

[Lisa Rinna]

She was a little bit static and fun.

[Harry Hamlin]

She was fun and sad. Was she ditzy?

[Lisa Rinna]

Little bit ditzy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, really?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. And so then compared to. We'll cut to New York, when I got to go to my first Marc Jacobs show, which was an absolute thrill for me. I've loved Marc Jacobs. We love Marc and his husband Char.

[Harry Hamlin]

Don't they have a fish named Harry?

[Lisa Rinna]

Husband Charlotte. They have a fish named Harry Hamlin. We had dinner with them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Let's keep that fish alive.

[Lisa Rinna]

But I'd never been to a show, and so to get to go to a Marc Jacobs show was really so high up. On my bingo card, I remember you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Were saying you really wanted to do that.

[Lisa Rinna]

So it worked out last minute. Didn't know it was gonna happen, and it happened. And I, of course, had seen the collection before, and just a huge fan. It was this doll, like, collection. So everything is oversized.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is couture, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

It's not couture, actually, but it's like couture. Mark's collection is like couture.

[Harry Hamlin]

Let's explain what couture. The difference between couture and regular fashion week is what?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, couture is one of a kind. So if you go to a couture show, what I learned this couture is there's only 4,000 couture clients in the.

[Harry Hamlin]

World, and they gotta be like super rich, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

They're really rich.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is like the top of the 1%.

[Lisa Rinna]

Very, very wealthy. And they go, and they have these outfits made, one of a kind. Like there's not gonna be five of them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Can you actually wear them any? I mean, they look so outrageous. I go, could you actually wear this to a party or something? And what would be the proper venue for something like that?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, that's a good question. And you'd have to ask them, but I mean, clearly you can wear it to the couture shows.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And they go to the shows.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's a little bit incestuous. You could only wear it there, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you could wear it to the Met gala.

[Harry Hamlin]

You could wear it to the Met gala.

[Lisa Rinna]

You could wear it to, you know, major charity functions. But we'd have to ask them. Exactly. But my friends from Sweden, from Copenhagen, Frederick and Steph and Johan. So Johan, they have a hair company and he does my hair A lot of the time he does the wigs. In Paris, Frederick buys couture, so he's a part of that couture group. So when I go to Paris, I get to roll with the couture clients, which normally, you know, if you're going as me, you just go. And I'm not considered a couture client, I'm considered.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because you hang with them.

[Lisa Rinna]

Vip, celebrity, I guess you have access.

[Harry Hamlin]

To that world then.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it just makes it more fun because they're really rich and we all go together and I gotta tell you, it is such a good time. We have so much fun. And then they go and have fittings and buy the stuff now but.

[Harry Hamlin]

And it's all male couture, right? I mean, are they buying?

[Lisa Rinna]

He's female, but he buys female couture. He loves to buy because he wears.

[Harry Hamlin]

What does he do with it? He wears it. Oh, he wears it, absolutely.

[Lisa Rinna]

So he'll go to Balenciaga, he'll see a coat come down and they will fit it just for him and make it just for him.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, but this is a woman's coat or a man's?

[Lisa Rinna]

A woman's coat, absolutely.

[Harry Hamlin]

But what about other women's stuff? I mean, he wears all of it. Okay. Yeah, it's kind of androgynous.

[Lisa Rinna]

All of it. And it's fantastic.

[Harry Hamlin]

Uh huh.

[Lisa Rinna]

He loves Schiaparelli. I'll show you all the pictures. He wears big hats. Remember when we were in Paris and I wore the bowl cut wig to Vivienne Westwood? Looks like a mushroom.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I kind of remember. You've got so many different looks.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

How could I possibly remember them all?

[Lisa Rinna]

I know, but Frederick has, like, a purple feather mohawk. He and I are like two peas in a pod. Us meeting was like, really? We are like. Like mirror images of each other.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really? You're going to get the mohawk? The purple feather?

[Lisa Rinna]

I'd like to.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

I would love to.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. When we were.

[Harry Hamlin]

Is this a haircut or is a hat.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a hat made out of purple feathers.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, so he doesn't actually have a mohawk haircut?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, but he's as crazy as I am. In other words, he's willing to go and push the limits. I know it's hard for you to wrap your brain around, but it's true.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't know this. This is a person that exists in Paris and in Europe. I know, but I don't know this person. The person that I come home to and comes home to me and lives with me and our dog and all that stuff is not.

[Lisa Rinna]

That person wears Free City sweatpants and a James purse T shirt and a. What's that sweatshirt I wear? The brand of it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, you're in sweatpants 99% of the time.

[Lisa Rinna]

And my moccasins. That's what's so amazing. And people have seen that because that's what I dance in. I dance in that outfit.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

But the justic. The juxtaposition of who I am is so fucked up, isn't it?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, I know you as the person sitting across from me now. I mean, yeah, normally you're in sweatpants and a T shirt, but. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Where's this other person come from?

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't know this person. I don't know this person who goes to Paris and is so fabulous. I mean, you're fabulous, but I mean, the person in Paris is like, ultra fabulous.

[Lisa Rinna]

She is so much fun, you know? Here's the next thing now, would you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Have fun if I was with you?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Here's the next thing.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because I'm a straight guy, you know, here's the thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Here's what we just said while we were just there. Frederick looked at me and he said, you know, Harry needs to come the next time, and we need to take Harry to a few of the shows because it will blow your mind. I'm not sure you would like it. I don't know. You may run for the hills, but you could go to hotel cost and have dinner with Michael, I suppose.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, I have no idea how I would react to that. You know, I like to be alone at 12,000ft in the mountains, and I like to hike and stuff and be out in the wilderness and, you know, the idea of being sitting with all these fancy people in a show with all these, like, amazing outfits.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, but. But let me just present this to you. Cut to. Your youngest daughter is gonna be walking the show.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that.

[Lisa Rinna]

How would you like to see that?

[Harry Hamlin]

I'd like to see her walking those shows. I've seen her walking a couple of shows, but not since she's taken off and become, like, this huge, huge, huge model.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I would like to see that.

[Lisa Rinna]

So that is what we need to do next, is go to Paris and sit front row and have you watch her walk.

[Harry Hamlin]

What do I have to wear when we go to these things? Do I have to wear all this stuff, like these crazy outfits?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, we could modify it, but I kind of would like to see it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

I'd kind of like to see.

[Harry Hamlin]

Would you like to meet.

[Lisa Rinna]

Would you like to.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait, wait. Would you want me to wear this women's couture stuff?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay. No, this is what I want. I want Frederick to style you. We go and we let Frederick style you for one of these shows.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, I'm terrified. Are you kidding me? I'm trying to picture myself with a purple mohawk.

[Lisa Rinna]

My God.

[Harry Hamlin]

No.

[Lisa Rinna]

It could be so much happen. Would you ever do drag? Would you ever dress up in drag and do that?

[Harry Hamlin]

Why would I do that?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, why not?

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, don't.

[Lisa Rinna]

Would it be fun? You might be really gorgeous in drag. Have you ever done drag? Have you ever.

[Harry Hamlin]

I want to tell you, when I was. When I was. When I was a kid, we had a housekeeper named Lupe.

[Lisa Rinna]

My mind is going five miles an hour.

[Harry Hamlin]

Hold on a sec. So I did. I had mononucleosis one time, and I was. I stayed home for a month from school because I had mono. And so I was just bored out of my mind. And my mother had this wig, this sort of blonde wig. And I was. I kind of was the same. This is now when I'm 13, 14. About the same size as my mother. And I played this trick on Lupe on our housekeeper. And I put my mother's wig on, and I put her dress on, and I put some makeup on, and I came to the door, and I said, is Harry here pretending to be a girl? And she didn't get it. She thought I was this girl who was coming to visit.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you were pretty cute at that age. You're Pretty gorgeous. So.

[Harry Hamlin]

But I got her. And then. And. And so she would say, excuse me one second. And I would run around to the. The side of the house, crawl up the outside and get in the window, take off all the makeup in here. And she'd come, she'd knock, and she's, harry, there's someone here to see you. I go, really? I'm not feeling that well, but I'll come down in a minute. And then I'd put all the stuff on, and I'd go back down, and I'd be at the back door, and she'd come down, she'd say, he'll be down in just a minute. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And so how did that make you feel?

[Harry Hamlin]

What? Well, afterwards, I felt pretty bad about it because, you know, this is a long, long time ago. This is like more than two years ago. I was like, 14, 13. 14 years old. But that was.

[Lisa Rinna]

People. People weren't doing that.

[Harry Hamlin]

That was the very last time I ever dressed up as a girl.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, well, I think we have work to do then.

[Harry Hamlin]

Not going to happen. It's not going to happen.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, how about just in an outfit, no makeup. We just let Frederick style you. Would you be open to that? I mean, you could say yes or no, but I would love to see what he would do.

[Harry Hamlin]

Look, I'm Scottish, right? So a Scots, they wear a kilt.

[Lisa Rinna]

Would you wear a skirt?

[Harry Hamlin]

I'd wear a kilt. I'd wear a kilt. Cause I'm Scottish and I've got a tartan I could wear. But a dress, I'm not sure I'd go that far. I won't wear a dress.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love this idea so much. We're gonna have to do something. We just are, because now my creative juices are flowing.

[Harry Hamlin]

What do you want to use?

[Lisa Rinna]

We won't do it at Amelia's show. We'll go to Amelia's show and you'll be dressed.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm going have to agree to this.

[Lisa Rinna]

Simple.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're assuming that I'm going to agree to this.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm just saying it would be so much freaking fun. Do you know it would shut down the Internet? It really would. It would shut it down.

[Harry Hamlin]

If my desire was to shut down the Internet, great. But I. I don't have a desire.

[Lisa Rinna]

All right, well, let's see how it plays out. I like the idea of it. I think it'd be fun. But. But I'm going to go further because, of course everyone thinks you're gay. Everyone thinks this is what's really interesting. So We. We went and we had dinner at Kathy Griffin's, right. And she had this great group of people together. And I didn't tell you this. So recently, Kathy went on a podcast and talked about our dinner when she asked us what really happened in Amsterdam, Remember?

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, right. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

So she goes on a podcast and tells the story, which is hilarious, but basically says, you know, you say that. We said that Kim Richards assumed that you had done something really bad, and we were joking, saying, yeah, you fucked the dog.

[Harry Hamlin]

So this is the whole let's not talk about the husband thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's the whole reason why we're doing this podcast.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly.

[Harry Hamlin]

Anyway.

[Lisa Rinna]

But what I think is so funny, I get sent her talking about it on somebody's podcast. It's funny, but all the comments are, oh, they just won't be honest about it. He's gay. He has so many mistresses in Canada. He's gay. She's his beard. On and on and on and on. And I find it so fascinating that, number one, we're the only housewife couple to still be married. But you're gay and you're my. And you're my beard, and I'm your beard. You're fucking busy. How do you do it all, Harry? It's My question is, how do you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Do it all time of my life, you know, I've got no boundaries, essentially, Right. Dogs.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, what's your favorite? I mean, how do you have mistresses in Canada and that are women, but then you're gay and I'm your beard, and we just say, you fuck the dog to throw everybody off.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think we're pretty smart, right? Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

And think of the diseases I'd be bringing home, too.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. I just think it's so funny. I'll never forget when I was doing the show when people would get mad at me. You all of a sudden were gay or you have mistresses in Canada. People have seen you, and if they liked me, oh, we were such a sweet couple, and they love our relationship and they love our family, but anytime they got mad at me. You were fucking gay.

[Harry Hamlin]

I came out of the closet every time they got mad. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So how do you feel about that? What do you think when you hear this about yourself? Do you care? Do you laugh? Do you even, like, I don't give a shit. Two shits. I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

Not two shits.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think it's so interesting, though. Like, how can you be gay and have mistresses, but they don't call you bi, they don't call you Bi. You're not bi, you're gay. And you fuck women in Canada all the time.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I must be very busy. You're right. So busy. Not true. Anyway, it sounds kind of exotic, right? But not true.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love it. I just think it's so interesting. Anyway, what have you been doing? Because I have talked a lot.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. So, yeah, I went to New York to sell the sauce and I did Andy Cohen. He was very nice.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you did it with Kyle.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I did it with Kyle Richards.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, that's so bizarre, isn't it?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, there was a moment when I was going to be doing it with Garcelle Bouvet, too, which would have been even more bizarre, but really fun because, you know, the whole reason I have a sauce that I'm selling out there is because of Garcelle.

[Lisa Rinna]

Why didn't that work out? How come you didn't end up doing it with her?

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't know. I think it was a scheduling thing. They ended up changing the schedule and I ended up doing it instead with Kyle, which was great because I'm very fond of Kyle and I've always liked her. But. Yeah, I mean, it was really. The whole thing was about, you know, trying to get the word out about this next sauce, the vodka sauce, which, by the way, is amazing.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's amazing. Delicious.

[Harry Hamlin]

Tell me how I love it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, I mean, I've had it before. You made it into a bottled sauce and you were making it in the kitchen and we were tweaking it, and I love this sauce.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, you put it on everything.

[Lisa Rinna]

I put on everything. I put it. My favorite new pasta that you're doing is the penne with the sausage and the kale. But you don't put it. You don't put sauce on it. It's like garlic and olive oil. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

But it enhances it. If you put the.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm putting the vodka sauce on it. It's my favorite dish right now.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that was what I was doing. And then I left New York and I went to Las Vegas with the Creative Coalition. And the Creative Coalition is a group of artists, actors, musicians, writers, directors.

[Lisa Rinna]

Been around a while.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been around for 30 some odd years. And what we do is we advocate for the arts. So we. We. If there's ever an administration that is antithetical to the arts, and got one right now that could be. We're not sure exactly how that's going to pan out, but we went to Las Vegas to try and figure out a strategy to save, for example, The National Endowment for the Arts. The National Endowment for the Arts has a budget that's, you know, tiny, miniscule.

[Lisa Rinna]

Has he cut that already?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, not yet. Hasn't gotten to that one yet. But, but you know, relative to the overall budget, it's, it's not even a rounding error. It's tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny budget. And yet at the same time, a lot of people think that the arts don't deserve any money at all from the federal government. And yet it's, it's very powerful to have an agency in the federal government that doles out a little bit of money because let's say I want to put on a play and I need to raise some money to put on a play. If the National Endowment for the arts gives me $5,000, then it's not going to get the playoff. But I can say the National Guard has given me $5,005,000 and that'll get.

[Lisa Rinna]

Me $50,000, other sponsors and things.

[Harry Hamlin]

So it gives you an imprimatur from the government that allows you to go out and raise more money. And so many plays and so many theatrical endeavors have come out of the national dollar. You know, unfortunately, years and years ago, an artist named Mapplethorpe did some things that a lot of people didn't like. He got a few thousand dollars from the National Endowment for the Arts, but he did some stuff that was pretty controversial. And so it gave leverage to the people who wanted to eliminate the power.

[Lisa Rinna]

Is that right? I did not know that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Absolutely.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was such a huge maple store.

[Harry Hamlin]

We had to fight that. And I remember I went to Washington many, many years ago, decades ago, with the Creative Coalition and they were thinking about eliminating the National Endowment for the Arts completely. And it was the Republican side of the, of the equation that wanted to get rid of it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, big surprise.

[Harry Hamlin]

And, and so we went to the national. We went to Washington D.C. and, and we were going to go into each senator's office and try to convert them from being anti National Endowment of the Arts to pro national. Down with the Arts. And it was, we had headwinds. I mean, it was a, it was an impossible task. These guys were absolutely against any money at all for the nea. But I did my homework the night before and I had been given a big binder and I stayed up until 3:00 in the morning reading through all the different bits and pieces of how we were going to approach these politicians in Washington. So I get into this office, the next day, I'm in there with a few other people from the, the National Endowment. And we're in. It's the senator from either Idaho or Montana. I forget. Exactly. But he's got animals on the wall.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, like heads, deer heads, cut off animal heads.

[Harry Hamlin]

And there's a spittoon next to his desk, right? And so I go, this is going to be an interesting meeting. Right? And the guy's sitting behind his big old desk, he has a cowboy boots on, and he's. He's saying, oh, man, I just, I just can't. Can't bring myself to, to give any money to the national down before the arms. I mean, they support people like that guy Maplethorpe and all. And he's going on and on about it and he says, and the only. There's only one good movie I've seen in the last 10 years, and that's Driving Miss Daisy. And, and, and I go in my brain going, ooh, wait a minute. And I look in my book and I go, excuse me, Senator, but I just want to tell you that Driving Miss Daisy was funded from start to finish as a play by the National Endowment.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, look at you go.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, how about that?

[Lisa Rinna]

How were you able to do that?

[Harry Hamlin]

Because I had done my homework the night before, and the guy had to change his vote. He had to change his vote because it was now public that he had said that Driving Miss Daisy was the one great movie that he'd seen in the last decade. And it turned out that the National Endowment of the Arts was completely responsible for that movie having been made.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow. That is a great story. One that I'd never heard. Wow. Amazing.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. So we have. We can be effective, you know, if we do our homework and we stay on message.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we can keep the National Endowment going.

[Lisa Rinna]

Great. Very good.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that was a very interesting moment for me this time. So we spent two days figuring out a national strategy to save the nea. Super important in this administration.

[Lisa Rinna]

Can people do anything to help? Can they write their senators or. That's Congressman.

[Harry Hamlin]

Point is, is to get people to stand up and fight for the arts.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right. Stand up and fight for the arts, guys.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. We say it's the right to bear arts. We have the right to bear arts in, in America. And, and, you know, because there's been efforts along the way to cut arts out of 12k through 12 programs. And, you know, that's where, I mean, look, here's. I always say, look at Apple, like the most successful tech company in the world. Like, they've got trillion. This is a trillion dollar company. Multi trillion dollar company at this point, why did it stand out and stand above all of the other tech companies that were doing essentially the same thing? Because Steve Jobs was an artist. Steve Jobs was he. He was a designer. It was his design.

[Lisa Rinna]

Aha.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was what he brought to the table that elevated that technology to the point where now Apple is this multi.

[Lisa Rinna]

Trillion dollar company and aren't kids smarter if they get art in school? Doesn't that make you smarter and makes you better at math? Am I just making that up?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, no, no. Studies have been done from here to eternity about how if you involve kids with arts in kindergarten, nursery school, in first, second, third grade, up to grade 12, that they are much smarter in the long run, have much better test scores and go on to have much better careers.

[Lisa Rinna]

There we go.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Gotta fight for the right to bear art.

[Harry Hamlin]

The right to bear arts.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love that. The right to bear arts. High five. That's good. Really.

[Harry Hamlin]

Anyway, that's what I've been up to.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you've been wearing really interesting clothes and I've been trying to save the world of the art world.

[Lisa Rinna]

I guess we're all trying to save the world in our own way.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yes, we are.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, in our own way, we're all trying to save the world, you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Know, and the interesting thing is, is that we think that we don't have power, but we do, as individuals have power. One person can make a huge difference in the world. You just have to take the fear away. Eliminate the fear. And you've got love and you've got power.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just think we should end on that note. It's so powerful. I don't want to mess it up with anything else. It's so good. What a great note to end on. I just think that's such a good message. I don't want to mess it up with all my fricking bullshit.

[Harry Hamlin]

Whatever.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's so positive. I feel so much better, though. Like, just kind of like vomiting all my bullshit out. And then we end on such a very strong, powerful, positive note.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, boy. I'm gonna dine out on this for a while.

[Lisa Rinna]

You should. It's so good. I'm so impressed by us. Sometimes more you than me.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, my goodness.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think it's good. And we'll pick back up.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, well, thanks for watching, everybody, next week and listening, those of you who listen, those of you who watch, thanks for watching and listening to let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[Harry Hamlin]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Rhamlin on Instagram.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So see you next week.

[Lisa Rinna]

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