Our Business Story: What They Don't Tell You About Working with Your Spouse

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Our Business Story: What They Don't Tell You About Working with Your Spouse"

Episode Release Date: March 7, 2025
Podcast: Let's Not Talk About The Husband
Hosts: Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin

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Introduction to Entrepreneurial Journeys

In this engaging episode of "Let's Not Talk About The Husband," iconic Hollywood couple Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin delve into their entrepreneurial endeavors, sharing candid insights and humorous anecdotes about running a business together. The episode primarily focuses on their venture into the retail world with their boutique, Belgray, highlighting the triumphs and tribulations of working with a spouse in the business realm.

The Spark of Entrepreneurship

Harry initiates the conversation by reflecting on their entrepreneurial spirit:

Harry Hamlin [00:58]: "I was thinking about how kind of entrepreneurial both of us are. I was thinking about how many enterprises we have embarked on."

Lisa adds her perspective, emphasizing their drive born out of necessity:

Lisa Rinna [01:03]: "It's come out of desperate need... we better hustle here."

This mutual drive led them to explore various business opportunities beyond their acting careers, setting the stage for their joint venture.

Founding Belgray: From Idea to Reality

The duo recounts the inception of Belgray, their boutique venture. The idea emerged from a shared admiration for fashion and a desire to create something unique. While browsing through old copies of InStyle magazine, Harry noticed Lisa's consistent representation in the fashion sections. This observation sparked the idea to leverage Lisa's fashion-forward image into a business.

Harry Hamlin [05:03]: "You are known for your style and your... Why don't we do something with this?"

Lisa Rinna [05:42]: "I love fashion and I don't wanna just shop... I wanna somehow create with it."

Their decision to open a store was marked by enthusiasm and a willingness to learn. Without prior experience, they immersed themselves in the intricacies of retail operations, from finding the right location to managing inventory and marketing.

Launching Belgray: Challenges and Breakthroughs

Belgray officially opened its doors on Cinco de Mayo, 2003, accompanied by a grand launch party that immediately drew significant attention. Despite an initial surge in sales and media coverage, they faced unforeseen challenges, including overstocking and managing a burgeoning customer base.

Harry Hamlin [18:48]: "We opened the store on Cinco de Mayo, 2003. Big party. Because that's what you have to do, right? Get it going."

A pivotal moment came when Oprah Winfrey featured Belgray as one of her favorite things, dramatically boosting their visibility and sales. However, their online sales strategy was initially underdeveloped, leading to a lack of fulfillment for potential orders despite high traffic.

Harry Hamlin [20:19]: "Oprah Winfrey saved us in that moment... Somehow, God knows how."

Navigating the Economic Downturn

The success of Belgray was short-lived as the 2008 economic downturn severely impacted their business. Despite previously achieving impressive sales figures, the recession led to decreased consumer spending and increased operational challenges. The couple faced financial strain, including loan recalls and mounting debts, which ultimately forced them to close their stores.

Harry Hamlin [29:43]: "People just stopped buying... We were robbed three times in six weeks."

The personal toll of the business struggles was evident, with Harry expressing deep depression and the couple contemplating the future of their partnership in business.

Harry Hamlin [33:27]: "I was so depressed."

Lessons Learned: Resilience and Adaptability

Despite the setbacks, Lisa and Harry emphasize the importance of resilience and the willingness to take risks in entrepreneurship. They acknowledge that not every venture will succeed, but each experience provides valuable lessons that contribute to future endeavors.

Lisa Rinna [35:26]: "The thing is, you take risks and they don't always work, but you take them. Not everything's gonna work, but that is how you learn."

Harry shares a favorite quote that encapsulates their business philosophy:

Harry Hamlin [35:50]: "Jumping from failure to failure with absolute enthusiasm is the secret to success."

Conclusion: Embracing the Entrepreneurial Spirit

The episode concludes with a reflection on their entrepreneurial journey, highlighting both the successes and failures that shaped their business acumen. Lisa and Harry underscore the significance of taking risks, learning from mistakes, and maintaining a positive outlook despite challenges.

Lisa Rinna [36:45]: "I think that's the truth, and I think that maybe somebody can learn from that, from this episode."

Their story serves as an inspiring testament to the complexities of working with a spouse in business and the enduring spirit required to navigate the entrepreneurial landscape.

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Notable Quotes:

• Harry Hamlin [00:58]: "I was thinking about how kind of entrepreneurial both of us are."
• Lisa Rinna [01:03]: "It's come out of desperate need... we better hustle here."
• Harry Hamlin [05:03]: "Why don't we do something with this?"
• Harry Hamlin [18:48]: "We opened the store on Cinco de Mayo, 2003. Big party."
• Harry Hamlin [20:19]: "Oprah Winfrey saved us in that moment."
• Harry Hamlin [29:43]: "We were robbed three times in six weeks."
• Harry Hamlin [35:50]: "Jumping from failure to failure with absolute enthusiasm is the secret to success."
• Lisa Rinna [36:45]: "I think that's the truth... somebody can learn from that, from this episode."

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This episode offers a vivid portrayal of Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin's entrepreneurial spirit, providing listeners with an honest look at the highs and lows of running a business together. Their experiences serve as valuable lessons for anyone considering a similar path, illustrating the importance of resilience, adaptability, and unwavering commitment to one's goals.

Transcript

[Lisa Rinna]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this is let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been together for over 30 years and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell. And on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, guess what? We're back again.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, yeah, thank you guys for tuning in to let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's so weird, isn't it, that we're sitting here doing this? It is so bizarre on so many levels, but I like it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, it's kind of cool.

[Lisa Rinna]

I hope people are interested and like it or at least think it's entertaining or something. I hope for their sake, because otherwise.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know it could be really boring. So I was thinking this morning about how kind of entrepreneurial both of us are.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was thinking about it today, how many like enterprises we have embarked on.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it's come out of desperate need, let's be honest. We're two actors working and not working. So it really does at sometimes come out of shit. We better hustle here.

[Harry Hamlin]

Diversification in this business is really important. I mean, especially now.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let me speak for myself. That comes from me, so maybe not from you, but I look at an opportunity and go, there's no opportunity happening. Oh, we better make something happen.

[Harry Hamlin]

Better find an opportunity. This is the hustle in you coming out, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

The hustler.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

So.

[Lisa Rinna]

So let's talk about.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm glad you hustled me because. Yeah, here we are.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I'm talking more a work situation. So let's talk about. We're talking about entrepreneurialism. Is that a word?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And you know, I mean, and how about this. But. But before I met you, I had actually already written a couple of scripts with a friend of mine.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, right.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I created companies that would ultimately produce those movies. Those movies never got produced. It never happened. One thing or another. Usually. What happened after I wrote a script and wanted to get into producing movies, that I got a job.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I was too busy to do it, which is good. Fortunate thing. Yeah, I'm very happy about that. So there were a couple of companies that I started before I met you all, both of which went away. And then in 1998, I, with a couple of friends, started Tri Alpha Energy, which is now TAE Technologies, which was the very first privately funded fusion energy company. In the world. And now there are lots of them.

[Lisa Rinna]

Took a lot of 25 years of your time.

[Harry Hamlin]

It took most of the 90s.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Most of the 90s were about fusion for me.

[Lisa Rinna]

About fusion and kids and putting the girls to bed every night. Well, you chose not to go.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's true. What I realized was because my son Dimitri, who's the light of my life, he's now in his 40s, he was born in 1980, and his mother and I were only together for a couple of years. Ursula Andress, she moved back to Italy with him and she raised him there without me because I was living in the United States, she was living in Italy. And from time to time, I would go over and see him and he would come over and visit me. But really, I missed. And he missed me. I missed him. Throughout his trip childhood, he didn't have dad there at his school plays, at his soccer games. I was not there to help him with his homework. I was not help there to help him navigate his way through bullying at school.

[Lisa Rinna]

You had long, long conversations with him.

[Harry Hamlin]

On the phone every week. We spent hours on the phone.

[Lisa Rinna]

You did?

[Harry Hamlin]

We did. In a big phone bill.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Many years.

[Lisa Rinna]

You did that. I mean, you had that.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that was good. So I was always a presence in his life, but I wasn't there constantly. And. And he suffered from that. He has issues because of that. So when our kids were born, when Delilah was born, I said, what? I'm not. I'm going to be here throughout her childhood. I'm not going to leave. And I said, I'm going to stay here and work in LA only. Not going to go on location, not going to go to Toronto or Sydney, Australia or wherever. And at that very moment, just ironically, all these incentives came up in Louisiana, New York, and all these other places in Atlanta, and people were going to Canada. Whole business up and left LA in 1998.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, I mean, really, I mean, what it ended up is me kind of taking a break for 20 years, you know, while we raised these kids. But during that time, we also became quite entrepreneurial.

[Lisa Rinna]

We did.

[Harry Hamlin]

And after starting the Fusion company and then handing that off to people who knew what they were doing, engineers and scientists and business people, none of which I am. We. We found ourselves sitting around the kitchen table. I turned 402002 and there was a copy of InStyle magazine in front of us, which at the time was a big deal.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

InStyle magazine was a huge deal.

[Lisa Rinna]

Huge.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we were looking through It. And there was your picture fashion sections in the Fashion. It said, Lisa Rinna, you know, comes out again in, you know, great fashion, great style, whatever. And there's a fantastic picture of you. And I said, well, wait a minute, I think you, you also came out in a few of, of the, well, issues of that magazine that had come out before.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, I was in a lot of things.

[Harry Hamlin]

We had them in the office. I went into the office and I found these old copies of In Style. And sure enough, there you were in there. And I said, there's a lot of them. I said, wait a minute. You are known for your style and your. And being a fashionista. Why don't we do something with this? Why don't we figure out.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I said the same. I like, how do we make money off of this?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, of course, we thought about all different things. We thought about you, could you start a line of clothing? Could you become a designer? Could you partner up with somebody, whatever.

[Lisa Rinna]

I said, I love fashion and I don't wanna just shop, remember? I was like, I just don't want it to be about shopping. I wanna somehow create with it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Exactly. And then we had an impromptu meeting, a board meeting down in Rancho Mirage. The Fusion company.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we drove down to Rancho Mirage.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like right after Christmas. It was like December 27th.

[Harry Hamlin]

It would've been two, three.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes. And Gracie was the store. Little tiny six foot store.

[Harry Hamlin]

You hung out in Rancho Mirage and found this store. Rancho Mirage?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, Rancho Santa Fe. Santa Fe further down.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Really pretty, like the most expensive enclave in the country at that point.

[Harry Hamlin]

Santa Fe, right. And I went to the meeting and you hung out in that store. And when I came back from the meeting, you said, I found out what we're going to do. We're gonna open a store.

[Lisa Rinna]

I loved this store so much. She had edited in this tiny little space all my favorite lines. And I thought, I want to do this. And she was really nice and we became friendly. And she said, why don't you come down when we got a little further, she said, why don't you come to the Mart with me, the LA Mart, and walk around with me and see how I buy. And that's what I did. And I thought, this is the coolest thing ever, let's do it.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we thought about what to do. And in order to have a store, you had to find a location, you had to find an empty space, then you had to rent it and then you had to renovate it. I mean, all this stuff went into like starting a Store.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I started driving up and down Ventura Boulevard, I remember. And when I would go to the mart with her, I started to ask the vendors, where could I open a store that there isn't one? And I could actually get lines because I started to learn that if you're too close, if you're a mile away from another store, you're in competition with.

[Harry Hamlin]

Them, you can't get the line. So that was the thing about that store in Rancho Santa Fe.

[Lisa Rinna]

She had no competition.

[Harry Hamlin]

She had no competition.

[Lisa Rinna]

She had everything.

[Harry Hamlin]

She had a tiny store with every single designer in there. And we thought that's just how it is. You rent a space, you put up some coat hangers, you buy the clothes and you sell them. But no, that's not how it works. You have to be in a location where the people near you who are also selling clothes are not going to bomb your store because you're selling the same thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was really. You know, we didn't have anybody that backed us. We did it ourselves. We had no. We just put our own money into it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember finding the space. You know, we found this little, yucky little space.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was. It was pink. Hot pink and black. And they were sewing things in there.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was a. It was some kind of a sweatshop. And it was painted.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, it was this. It was the. They were making the stuff for the store next door, which was like a bridal shop.

[Harry Hamlin]

A bridal. So they were making the bridal clothes. And it was. It was a dump. I mean, it was dark, but it was cute.

[Lisa Rinna]

Little space.

[Harry Hamlin]

Little. It was 980 square feet.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. And it had that.

[Harry Hamlin]

And it had the tin stuff.

[Lisa Rinna]

The tin stuff on the.

[Harry Hamlin]

On the wall. It was. It was quite. We made it beautiful. But.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, we did.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'll never forget. We ended up renting. We. We. We got the papers to rent the space, and we got in the car to drive to the realtor's office. Right. We were driving down Ventura Boulevard, and we were looking at each other like, I remember this. Really? Going to do this, are we? Wait a minute.

[Lisa Rinna]

Should we sign it?

[Harry Hamlin]

Once we sign this, you know we're gonna have to do it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, God. That was.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we pulled off. We pulled into, like, some strip mall.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know we did.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was like.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know we did.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait a minute. We really wanted.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you're like, are you sure? And I was like, I don't know. Are you sure? And then we did it.

[Harry Hamlin]

We finally did it. And then we got the keys, and I said, now. We went and Took a look at it, it was a dump. And I figured out what we. I've designed a whole way to put the show. We went out to Elise Walker's.

[Lisa Rinna]

Ah, we have to talk about Elise Walker. We went to the Palisades because I loved her store. And she was one of the first, like, really happening boutiques. And I, we went out there and I was like, harry, you gotta come out to this store. Cause I love it. And I think you should look at it because I think it's something we.

[Harry Hamlin]

Should, you know, because I was designing the store. I mean, we didn't hire an architect or anything to do it. I was going to design and I.

[Lisa Rinna]

Liked her stanchions and the way she had shells and things. And you went out and talked to her. This was 2003.

[Harry Hamlin]

2003, just when the Iraq war was starting. You know, it was crazy time. And I'll never forget the. The first day of work, I called up our handyman, Ricardo, because it would.

[Lisa Rinna]

Really have been about $250,000 to really hire somebody and do something. Right?

[Harry Hamlin]

Like, really? Yeah, $250,000. We had nothing. And so I had some designs, I did some drawings. I hired Ricardo to help with me. And then I hired a contractor. I forget where somebody turned me on to this guy. I don't remember that he was a licensed contractor.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't remember that kind of.

[Harry Hamlin]

He came in and the first thing we wanted to do was put up a wall between what. What was became the office and the rest of the store. There was no wall there. And so he started to put up this wall using two by fours. And they were all wonky. And I go, but wait a minute, that's not how that's supposed to look. I know when you, you know, when you build a wall, you gotta do it. They're 16 inches apart or whatever. And it's like. And it was all wonky. And I said, are you really a licensed contractor? And the guy goes, yeah. And I said, well, can I see your license? And he pulls out his California driver's license.

[Lisa Rinna]

Stop it.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, seriously. And I said, wait a minute. And he said, well, I don' License, but I got my driver's license. And I fired him on the spot, you know. And so then it became, it was then it was like me, it was like I was.

[Lisa Rinna]

That part I remember. You were like, I'm gonna do it, but we should also tell everybody that you did want to be an architect.

[Harry Hamlin]

I had, yeah, my. Originally in life, I wanted to be an architect.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think That's a good little thing to say before you got into your acting class, because your architect class was closed at school, right? Or was something like that.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, yeah, I wanted to be an architect. I got into Berkeley somehow. I don't know how that.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're smart. You are smart. You're smart.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm not gonna. Really. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Anyway, you got into Berkeley, so I.

[Harry Hamlin]

Got into Berkeley somehow. And I was going to be an architect. And they had the brilliant architecture school called the Environmental School of Design, or the School of Environmental Design. And I was on my way up to Berkeley to register for the fall quarter in 1970, and I stopped off at a friend's house in Oakland for a party on a Sunday night. I had to register by Wednesday. And at the party, the girl said, oh, by the way, my dad has these tree houses in La Honda, south of San Francisco, and for the last year or so, they've been inhabited by this guy named Ken Kesey, and he was a band of merry pranksters. But within the last few weeks, the highway patrol and the rangers have gone in and kicked Ken Kesey and all these people out of these three houses. They're now vacant. I haven't been there in years. Let's go check them out. She said. So we all got into a caravan of three or four cars and drove over to La Honda with our sleeping bags and our stuff, and we went and camped out in these tree houses, which were amazing. I mean, they were just right out of the hobbit land, you know, these huge redwoods with, you know, trunks that are 15ft across.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, that's cool. That is cool.

[Harry Hamlin]

Into these amazing tree houses. The tree houses hadn't been inhabited since before the second World War by, you know, by the people who built them. They were inhabited by these. This band of merry pranksters.

[Lisa Rinna]

What's a merry prankster? Well, Ken, what's a band of merry pranksters?

[Harry Hamlin]

Ken Kesey was. Was a seminal figure in the. During the days of the flower power and the hippie culture.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, we're in the 70s, the cultural revolution, OK?

[Harry Hamlin]

We're in the 60s and 70s, all right?

[Lisa Rinna]

We have to paint the picture for the audience.

[Harry Hamlin]

Ken Kesey, it's not just me, was this guy who had a bus that he traveled across the country, and he had these. The band of hippies he called his merry pranksters.

[Lisa Rinna]

So they were having orgies the whole time and smoking.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't know what they were doing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like hash and taking acid.

[Harry Hamlin]

They were doing all of those things. I'm sure in These tree houses before they were kicked out.

[Lisa Rinna]

Cool.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we went and we. And There were like 10 of us and we went and we. We built a fire, we made some spaghetti, I had my guitar. It was a real Kumbaya moment. And these tree houses were amazing. And. And it's like 9 or 10 o'clock at night and all of a sudden this huge motorcycle comes down off the street and right into this area where we were having this Kumbaya moment.

[Lisa Rinna]

What does Kumbaya mean, really, if you break it down.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't know. We were kids. We had just graduated from high school school.

[Lisa Rinna]

Kumbaya.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was wearing, you know, a button down shirt with seersucker pants and.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're a preppy.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was a total prayer.

[Lisa Rinna]

You were preppy, but you wanted to be a hippie.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, Berkeley was.

[Lisa Rinna]

You wanted to be the center of.

[Harry Hamlin]

Hippie, though, in those days, that's for sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

So did you take acid at that time?

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait a minute, let me get to the. The reason why.

[Lisa Rinna]

Patience.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is the reason why I'm not an architect. All right, so this guy gets off of his motorcycle and he's a Hell's Angel. I mean, he's got the big Hell's angel coat on everything. And he walks over and he says, anybody here got a wrench? And I had a toolkit in my car. I had a hammer and some tools.

[Lisa Rinna]

As. As one does.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I was kind of a Boy.

[Lisa Rinna]

Scout, as one does.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we took a flashlight, we went up into one of these tree houses, and the guy said, here, shine the flashlight on that sink. And he took the hammer and he started busting away at the drain under the sink, which hadn't been used since before the Second World War. And all of a sudden the thing broke and out dropped like 50 little purple pills. And I'm on my hands. Well, I mean, who. I don't know. What was it? I don't know what it was, but I opened my mouth when he said, open wide. And he threw one in.

[Lisa Rinna]

Really?

[Harry Hamlin]

So. Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, wow. Anyway, so what happened next, though?

[Harry Hamlin]

I.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did you have an acid trip?

[Harry Hamlin]

I spent the next three days chasing butterflies around this beautiful spot in La Honda. And I was really late to get to Berkeley to register for the Environmental Design School. So when I got there, finally, with about an hour left to register, the Environmental Design School is completely filled. I didn't know what to do. And I. This guy at the Environmental Design School said, look, that building right over there is the drama department. If you run over there, you Fill out some forms. Maybe you can. You can fill your requirements.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that's what I did.

[Lisa Rinna]

The universe working its magic in your life yet again.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right. Directing you without you even knowing.

[Harry Hamlin]

But I still. I wanted to go to the architecture school after my first quarter as an actor in the. But anyway, I started to do plays.

[Lisa Rinna]

But you didn't.

[Harry Hamlin]

I didn't do it because I started doing plays and I got cast in all the plays. But that's another story.

[C]

Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. I don't know how many people remember this. Oh, you are one decision away from a different life. I know for a fact that it was her who sold this to the media.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm willing to sacrifice anything in order to put love the center of my life.

[Lisa Rinna]

I do explain to Mason how drinking affected me.

[C]

I think it breaks them so much more that you forgave them. Every week, I'll sit down with fascinating guests.

[Harry Hamlin]

I believe you're worthy of love and you deserve love.

[C]

It wasn't nearly as bad as what I went through emotionally with the pregnancy I had with my daughter. For real conversations.

[Lisa Rinna]

You remember when we wrestled? Like, straight up, crazy, drunk wrestled?

[C]

That's how rumors get started.

[Lisa Rinna]

Was it helpful for people to come in when you were with, like, your ex husband and be like, you should be with somebody better.

[C]

If people are broken, they have to fix themselves. This is a window into my world and the stories that make it meaningful. Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. New episodes drop every Wednesday on X and on Thursday, wherever you get your podcasts. See you there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, so.

[Harry Hamlin]

But anyway, so I wanted to be an architect. So cut to now. I still have this architecture stuff in my pocket.

[Lisa Rinna]

In your body.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I designed the store and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Which I helped a little bit because of my vision that I wanted. And then you built it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I built it. And it took us exactly 45 days to demo, which is fast.

[Lisa Rinna]

You guys, that store fa hat it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Ended up costing us $44,500 from soup to nuts, which is which? All the computers, all of the stuff for sale, point of sale, stuff, everything.

[Lisa Rinna]

And we learned as we went along. We had no idea what we were fucking doing.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, we didn't.

[Lisa Rinna]

Nothing. No idea. Just.

[Harry Hamlin]

So not only that. So you love to shop, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

I love to shop.

[Harry Hamlin]

So this is the great part of the story. So, yeah, we opened the store on cinco de Mayo, 2003.

[Lisa Rinna]

Big party. Because that's what you have to do, right? Get it going.

[Harry Hamlin]

We had a big party, and we had press and all that stuff. And it was. And you loved to shop. And you and the manager were going down. Kathy, Charlotte, you guys were shopping every day.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, buying for the store knows how much to buy for a store.

[Harry Hamlin]

Nobody knows how much.

[Lisa Rinna]

They really don't.

[Harry Hamlin]

Famous last words. Well, after about a month, I remember arriving at the store one morning and opening the door and not being able to walk from the back of the store to the front because it was piled so high with boxes.

[Lisa Rinna]

We overbought.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like you overbought.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, it cannot be.

[Harry Hamlin]

We should have gone out of business within a month.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, and we would have, but Oprah Winfrey. Oprah Winfrey saved us in that moment.

[Harry Hamlin]

Somehow, God knows how, she made us one of her favorite things in la. To this day, we don't know how.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I think because we did press and we, you know, had our publicist splash out that we opened this store. I think her team saw the press about the store. So then they chose us as one of Oprah's favorite things for that episode. I don't think it was la. It was just one of her favorite things. So we had Cindy Crawford come over and shop and shoot this. I asked her if she'd do it. She said, I will. And she came over and we shot it. And then what happened?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, then I got a call from the Oprah people and they said, you guys got a website.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this was before any of that stuff.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, websites were very. Were just beginning then.

[Lisa Rinna]

And for web traffic, remember, there's no social media there. No, no, we have cell phones at that point.

[Harry Hamlin]

Barely. Yeah, barely. No, I have a big cell phone that you could. You carried around a box and you had it in your hand.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay?

[Harry Hamlin]

So the guy calls me from Oprah. He says, do you guys have a website?

[Lisa Rinna]

We were so excited, first of all, that Oprah wanted to have us on this show. We were so excited.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we knew that there was a date certain when we were going to have to go to Chicago and present and sit down with her and talk about the store. And we were going to have to.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have gift bags because we knew that people would. Would buy something.

[Harry Hamlin]

We thought. I mean, the guy from. The guy from. So getting back to the guy who calls me from Oprah, right? He says, do you have a website? No. Well, maybe you want to think about that, because normally what happens, Oprah gets about 7 million people who watch your show on a daily basis. And about 10% of those people go to the website of whoever's there. And then about 10% of those people end up buying something from the website. So I did the math and I go, well, say 10% of 7 million. It's like 700,000.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

10% of that is like 70. So, like, a lot of people are going to want to buy something from us, and we have nothing to sell and we don't even have a website. And we knew.

[Lisa Rinna]

And we didn't know how to. There was no, like, website sales yet. That wasn't happening in the world yet.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was sort of beginning to happen.

[Lisa Rinna]

You didn't shop online.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, Amazon had, or Google had just come out with Google AdWords just the very same month that we. Well, I got the call from this guy and he said, you better have a website. So I immediately, you know, we found some guy who was like stoned out of his gourd, and he was, he was the website guy. We found a guy to build a website for us, but he was like always wasted. And he said, yeah, yeah, man, I can build your website, no problem. We knew that we had to be at Oprah's place in Chicago in about 40 days. So we had 40 days to make something to create a website and also create the product to sell on the website.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because people weren't buying clothes from your store on a website at that point.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, really, you can't really sell clothes from your store on the website because you didn't know how much inventory you had. You know, in order to sell something on a website, you had to know you had X number of things to sell.

[Lisa Rinna]

And plus, it wasn't happening at that point. I don't believe it was just beginning to happen.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I had to really learn. I bought websites for dummies and online sales for dummies, which existed. I read through that. And then I was talking to the website guy about, you know, I didn't know what a. What a SKU was. An sku. I didn't know anything about how you did online sales, but I knew we had to have products. And so we, we decided we were going to make a candle. And I found the Illume Candle Company, which was way on Lankershim in North Hollywood somewhere.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I drove out there and I, I just walked in and I said, I need to. I need to make a candle. I need to make three different senses.

[Lisa Rinna]

Two different. I think we did two.

[Harry Hamlin]

Two or three, whatever it was. And I said, I got to do it right away. I got to have. I got to. I got to figure out the scent, figure out the candle, figure out the wax, figure out the, the box, figure out the logo, all that has to happen in three and a half weeks, you know, And I spent all this time with them going through all their waxes, all their candles, all their scents.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then you bring it home to me. And I would say, I like this one, I like this one. Going this.

[Harry Hamlin]

But we had no time.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then we had to figure out clothing, so we had to have T.

[Lisa Rinna]

Shirts and, and sweatpants.

[Harry Hamlin]

We called up Dove Charney at American Apparel, which hadn't had a store yet. It was just a little tiny place where he was selling blanks.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right.

[Harry Hamlin]

And. And we said, listen, can you. Can you make clothing that has our logo on it? Right. The Belgrade logo, which was kind of cool. We found a really interesting font, by the way. I was going through my.

[Lisa Rinna]

In a printing machine. A print?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, we found a logo.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was a logo in a, like a print thing that, you know, like.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was a stamp. Yeah, it was a stamp that you found.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, okay, so last I was going through my clothes recently to find clothes to donate to the fire people. And I'm going through my drawers and what do I find? But.

[Lisa Rinna]

Look at you. Pull it down. You can't see it there. Belgray. And that was the font we chose. That's a Belgray T shirt. Pull it down more. You still can't see it for the people. There.

[Harry Hamlin]

You see it now?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. There it is. I thought so. This is sitting in my drawer for like 20 years. I know. So we ended. We ended up getting these candles made and I. I had to make a.

[Lisa Rinna]

Logo sweatpants with it on the butt.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we still have some of those.

[Lisa Rinna]

I have them up in Canada.

[Harry Hamlin]

And the logo, I took a. I took a. A pen, a pencil, and I went like this over the. Over the logo that we had, and it just made this crazy looking logo.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I like that box. It was cool. And we made brown and aqua were our colors.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Remember?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. It was beautiful. Anyway, so we get everything together. We know that there's going to be 70,000 people buying stuff from our website, which is just beginning to exist. And we get all this stuff and.

[Lisa Rinna]

You have to have a call center.

[Harry Hamlin]

You have to have a call center. So I hired a call center in Oregon with 100 people to take all this massive number of tens of thousands of calls that were going to come through. And we had pallets and I had to hire a fulfillment center. I had to make deal with this guy, you know, pallets of stuff. It's gonna. People are gonna buy like crazy. You're gonna be. I mean, on the day of the.

[Lisa Rinna]

Show, we had to have product in bags to take to the audience members.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's another story. Because we had to get. We had to make bags, and we had to put all of the bits and pieces that were in the gift bags in the bags. The gas bags had to be loaded into a van, and then we had to get them somehow from LA to Chicago. And somehow.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did you have to hire a plane? How did we get in there?

[Harry Hamlin]

We had it all set up, and the whole thing fell through. Whatever plane we had ready to go take all this stuff fell through. And our manager, Kathy Shaw, drove out to Burbank Airport, Van Nuys Airport somewhere. And she was fit to be tied. She was, like, running around through the airport, and she was saying, I need to get Chicago. And some guy said, wait a minute, we're flying to Chicago now. We were taking a heart to Chicago for an open heart transplant. No, they were transporting a heart from LA to Chicago.

[Lisa Rinna]

@ that very moment, she found the plane.

[Harry Hamlin]

And they said, you can put your stuff on our plane. That's what happened.

[Lisa Rinna]

I forgot that we put all of.

[Harry Hamlin]

Our stuff on the plane that was taking the heart to Chicago.

[Lisa Rinna]

Unbelievable.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then the next day we flew and we met with Oprah and. And, you know, I'll never forget walking up to her on stage and her upstage ear, I. I whispered thank you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Because let's remember, I overbought by $200,000, easily $200,000. And our first day, the sales were.

[Harry Hamlin]

$20,000 the first day.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, just huge.

[Harry Hamlin]

There was a line around the block the very next week. There was a lot. We had to get those rope things out and put a. You know, had a guy outside to make sure that the line was. Because the store was completely filled with people.

[Lisa Rinna]

We could not keep merchandise. People were pulling shit out of the bags. I know it was insanity, and it's what saved us, but we did not.

[Harry Hamlin]

Sell one thing on the website.

[Lisa Rinna]

Not one person, not one phone call.

[Harry Hamlin]

Came to this one phone call to the call center.

[Lisa Rinna]

100 people that were waiting at the call center.

[Harry Hamlin]

No one order from the website. And we had pallets of stuff. And thank God we had it because we ended up selling it.

[Lisa Rinna]

We sold it in the store over time, but, yes, we didn't sell anything, did we? And then it made us start our own website for Belle Gray. And then you could start to buy candles and sweatpants and.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, then we had a huge business online the following year. Our biggest business, the Biggest business year ever was when we were selling through the website.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

And that was all great. And then 2008 happened.

[Lisa Rinna]

2008, and it all crashed down because of the downturn of the economy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, we were doing $1,200 a square foot, which is unheard of in retail. And when people found that out, it somehow got in the paper.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did it.

[Harry Hamlin]

And as soon as it got in the paper that we were doing $1200 a square foot, everybody wanted us to come into their malls. Remember, Westfield wanted us to come in Las Vegas wanted to come in. Caruso wanted us to come in all of his malls.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we ended up going to Calabasas. Only one, which is a good thing. If we'd gone to all the other ones, man, we wouldn't be sitting here today.

[Lisa Rinna]

No. Remember, we flew over Vegas and saw the shopping center, which I never. I don't know if that ever even happened.

[Harry Hamlin]

It didn't happen because of the downturn. Build a huge shopping center, and we were going to be the anchor of it. And. And, yeah, we flew over in a helicopter. It was quite something to see.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. But it was good until it wasn't. Yeah, it was really good until it wasn't. You worked your ass off. I worked my ass off differently. We. We had different things to do.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was the. The 2000s. That was our 2000s. Really was Belgray.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because from 2003 to 2010, 2011, when we closed the last store and got sued by everybody.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's a whole nother story that will maybe get into another time or maybe not.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know. We had a rough time of it at the end.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was rough because. Yeah, you know, people. We were doing $1,200 a square foot one month, and the next month we did $20,000 a square foot because people just stopped.

[Lisa Rinna]

They stopped buying shopping. It's true.

[Harry Hamlin]

And the door, especially in Calabasas, it was just empty. Well, Calabasas was the place where the whole subprime thing started, you know, and that company out there was building multimillion dollar homes back in the late. In the 90s and the 2000s. And then they realized there was all this equity in the houses by 2007. And they said, hey, you guys can. If you want a boat, here's a checkbook. You can take money out of your house and buy a boat. Which they did. And pretty soon all these homeowners in Calabasas were.

[Lisa Rinna]

I remember. And it was before Calabasas was on the map, you know, with the Kardashians. They were there, but it hadn't. Like, it wasn't famous like it is now. I remember one day the store made $300 out there, and that was a good day.

[Harry Hamlin]

There were days when we didn't make any money at all.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we got stolen. People stealing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, then. Wait, hold on. We got to go to that story really quick. When we were robbed one night in Sherman Oaks. And then we were robbed again maybe 10 days later. We were robbed three times. In six weeks.

[Harry Hamlin]

In six weeks. And one time we were robbed while we were on national television live on the Today show.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think that was the third time. Third time?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I was standing backstage ready to go on the Today show, and all of a sudden my phone rings.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. I was there with you.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was turning around. I was next to you, but it was adt.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. And you were like, I need to take this. And we were going on live with Hoda and Kathy.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was walking across the st. The cameras at that very moment, and they said, what are you doing on the phone? I said, our store is getting robbed right now.

[Lisa Rinna]

Unfucking believable. Unbelievable.

[Harry Hamlin]

People thought we did it, we did it on purpose. But no, we were actually being robbed that very moment.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think that's when we said. And that's when we had expanded, so we kind of have to go back a little bit. We started with the store in the middle, little tiny 900 foot square foot store. And then the store next door became available. We took that on. It was beautiful. But we overextended ourself because then our rent was much higher. Because we're paying two rents.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Which we could have afforded easily if there hadn't been this fucking downturn. The downturn, yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So once we were robbed the third time, I remember looking at you and saying, you know, I think the universe is telling us that we need to get out of this business now.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, that's true.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think we need to be done. And you said, you know what? Okay. Because I think at that point, we'd put a million dollars into that business easily. So it was either like, do you want to keep your house? Or do you want to keep the store going? And we were like, I think we'll keep the house. And truly, that's what happened.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, all the other stores around, I think they had people backing them. They had big money behind them so they could make it through the downturn.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, the ones that made it look.

[Harry Hamlin]

The bank called in our loan. I mean, that doesn't happen. Who calls in a loan?

[Lisa Rinna]

Did they call in the loan?

[Harry Hamlin]

We had a $60,000 line of credit that was out, and they called it in. And it's like, well, wait. Wait a minute. Why? And they. Well, because nobody's paying their mortgages or something. I don't know why they called it in.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I think this is a good thing to talk about. Just because, you know, from the outside, people don't know, like, the moments that have been really challenging. And that's one of those moments where you have to go, okay, you know, do we cut it loose and save ourselves? Like, what do we do? Like, we've had those moments.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was really challenging. We were holding on. I'll never forget. And I was so depressed.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, oh, my God.

[Harry Hamlin]

And for Christmas, you gave me a present under the Christmas tree. You had created a trip to the Bahamas that you got for promotional reasons. It didn't cost us anything. We had all miles for the.

[Lisa Rinna]

For the plane because we had no money in the store.

[Harry Hamlin]

We put all the money in the store, and we were being sued by everybody. And I was so depressed. And you said, oh, but, Harry, come. Let's go to the Bahamas. We're taking them to Atlantis.

[Lisa Rinna]

Atlantis.

[Harry Hamlin]

So taking them to.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a great trip.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I said, but wait a minute. We can't afford to go to Atlanta's right. He said, the whole thing's free. Don't worry about it. It's all fine. Which was great. It was fantastic. Fantastic. We got to Atlantis, and it was fantastic. We were being sued by Rick Caruso, who had the place, and he. So we were walking down to Johnny Raucous to get a hamburger one night and walking through the harbor, and there was Caruso's yacht, and his two guys who work for him were staying in the same building we were staying in. They saw us in the elevator, and they obviously said, well, if you guys are here in the Ocean Club in. In Bahamas, you guys must be really rich. Why aren't you paying your rent? And it's like, but we can't pay our rent and nobody's shopping. And so they thought that we were. I don't know what they thought.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was one of those, again, badly situations when the universe says, I'm gonna take over now, and I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that was not one of the fun doer things.

[Harry Hamlin]

Terrible moment. And we ended up losing a lot of dough on that situation. But we learned a lot, you know, and it was A lot of fun while it lasted.

[Lisa Rinna]

And 10 years. I mean, in retail, 10 years is like, a long time.

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess.

[Lisa Rinna]

So it is.

[Harry Hamlin]

Unless you're Hermes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yeah. I mean, that. That's a whole other story. And we were a little, tiny boutique, and we're actors.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know, but it was a fun. It was a fun ride. But, you know, we continue to be entrepreneurial, and we've. You know, we continue to create businesses, and sometimes they work. Sometimes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, that's the thing. You know, I was talking to the neighbor the other day, and she was like, you know, what I love about you guys is you take risks and they don't always work, but you take them. And I'm like, yeah, well, why not? You know, not everything's gonna work, but that is how you learn. And then you go on to the next and you have, you know, the information from that one. I don't know. I can't imagine not taking risks.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's true. You know, you've seen the quote that I have above my computer in the office. Jumping from failure to failure with absolute enthusiasm is the secret to success. Which is a quote.

[Lisa Rinna]

Where is that? I don't know where that is.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's in the office. You'll see it. It's right there. It's taped in the office.

[Lisa Rinna]

I live in this house, but I don't remember seeing that.

[Harry Hamlin]

If you look, it's there. All right, look at it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'll go find it.

[Harry Hamlin]

And Stavros Thermopoulos made that quote. But it's also a quote.

[Lisa Rinna]

Who?

[Harry Hamlin]

A guy named Stavros Thermopoulos, who was one of the scientists on the Large Hadron Collider in cern.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

But it's also a quote that was given by the Prime Minister of England.

[Lisa Rinna]

During the Second World War with the cigar.

[Harry Hamlin]

That one having his. Winston Churchill.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thank God.

[Harry Hamlin]

So Winston Churchill also had the quote, which is very similar. Jumping from failure to failure. I like it as a secret of success.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, well, I think that's the truth, and I think that maybe somebody can learn from that, from this episode.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've had a number of successes and a number of failures, so we jump from one to the other. Yeah, there you go.

[Lisa Rinna]

There it is. I think that's good. Should we play a spin the wheel while we're at it? Let's do it. All right. Let's spin the wheel. The wheel of Harry's Wild Cards. That might buy fast, actually. Okay. I'm spinning Harry's Wheel of Wild Cards. Harry's Wheel of Wild cards. Okay. Camping versus glamping, huh?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, as I've always said, your idea of camping is any floor below the 10th floor of the Four Seasons.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I don't like camping.

[Harry Hamlin]

You don't like camping. And. And what is it? So I love camping, and I. Every year, I've done it into the High Sierras, and I go into the wilderness for four days. And you don't get jealous? I mean, I. Hey, for years and years before I took a cell sat phone with me, I could have been in Las Vegas, like, having it off with Fifi. Right. But you didn't. You didn't seem to, like, get jealous of you.

[Lisa Rinna]

I did not.

[Harry Hamlin]

But I was actually at 10,000ft in.

[Lisa Rinna]

The High Sierra, so I think that my experience at Girl Scout camp was detrimental for me. So my parents were not campers. Yours were. You went camping growing up, right? Like, that was in your.

[Harry Hamlin]

Absolutely. I look forward to it every time. It was freedom.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you're also a boy, and so there's that. So, me, I go off to Girl Scout camp. How are you? How old are you? 11, I think I was 11 when I went to Girl Scout camp at Lake of the Woods. I was so homesick. I was. I thought I was gonna die. And then they made me clean the latrines with the Pine Sol.

[Harry Hamlin]

Ooh.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that would do it.

[Lisa Rinna]

That has done it. And I can still smell the smell of Pine Sol. I would never use that, by the way. Never been used in our house.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've never had Pine Sol in our house. Is that why?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, of course. And I'll never forget my good friend Jana. When I first started going to her house, her housekeeper was using Pine Sol. I go, jana, I'm so sorry, but I really. I can't come over if you're using Pine Sol. I couldn't. It was so toxic. It was toxic to me. Anyway, that's why I don't like camping.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because of Pine Sol.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because of the cleaning of the latrines at Lake of the woods. And it was such a bad.

[Harry Hamlin]

Probably not. Pooping in the woods is probably not your thing either.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I had to do that once because we went on a camp out. I hated the whole experience.

[Harry Hamlin]

I just hated it because I would love. I mean, I would even carry your pack. I would love to just tag along and see what I see when I go to.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I would love to do that, but I don't think I could physically do it because you've taken some. You took your friend up there, and he had to come back because he couldn't handle it. Well, you're kind of hardcore that way. Yeah, I, I don't think I could actually physically do it, but.

[Harry Hamlin]

But if I carried your pack. If you didn't have to, if you just had to walk.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but it's a how, 30, 50 pound pack.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I could, I could figure it out. So I could carry a 50 pound pack and be enough for both.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but you say it's like uphill rocks.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's totally up.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's not a, it's not a trail.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, yeah, but you can figure it out. You know, you. As long as you don't step on, you know, a snake or something, you're good.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, anyway, I'll be at the Four Seasons in, you know.

[Harry Hamlin]

Great. Well, anyway, thanks for listening everybody watching. Here we are. Camper, non camper.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, I'm gonna be in Grand Cayman at the Palm Heights.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Is where I'll be. Yeah. It doesn't have to be the 10th floor. It just has to be, you know, like, oh, it's gotta be. You know, I'm so high maintenance at this point. We'll get into that in another episode, I think. Anyway, anyway, bye guys. See you next time.

[Harry Hamlin]

Bye.

[Lisa Rinna]

Woo. Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[Harry Hamlin]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. And if you liked what you heard.

[Harry Hamlin]

Consider leaving us a rating or review. And make sure to tell all your friends too. I mean like everyone you know and their mother.

[Lisa Rinna]

If you have a question for us or you need advice, God help you. Leave a voicemail using the link in our show notes. We might just answer your question in a future episode. Now you can find us on social media, Lisarina on Instagram. And then I'm sarinaofficial on TikTok.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm harryrhamlin on Instagram.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So see you next week.

[Lisa Rinna]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.