Own It, Baby! Untold Stories from RHOBH, The Truth Behind Leaving, and Making Our Podcast Debut

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Own It, Baby! Untold Stories from RHOBH, The Truth Behind Leaving, and Making Our Podcast Debut"
Episode: Own It, Baby!
Release Date: February 14, 2025
Podcast: Let's Not Talk About The Husband
Hosts: Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin

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1. Episode Introduction and Context

The episode begins with Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin warmly welcoming listeners to their podcast, "Let's Not Talk About The Husband." They set the stage for an open and honest conversation, blending humor with heartfelt insights. The hosts briefly explain the podcast's premise—discussing their extensive careers, marriage, and behind-the-scenes experiences in the entertainment industry.

Notable Quote:
Lisa Rinna [00:16]: "We have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're gonna own it, baby."

2. Revisiting Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH)

Lisa delves into her time on RHOBH, specifically recounting the tumultuous Amsterdam trip during Season Five. She describes the high tension among cast members, particularly highlighting the conflict with Kim Richards.

Key Discussion Points:

• Dynamics among cast members: Brandi Glanville, Kim Richards, Yolanda Hadid, Lisa Vanderpump, and Kyle Richards.
• The infamous dinner scene where tensions peaked.

Notable Quote:
Harry Hamlin [03:24]: "We ended up making a hashtag about that. Hashtag: #LetstNotTalkAboutTheHusband."

3. The Conflict in Amsterdam

Lisa narrates the escalating tensions on the plane and the subsequent dinner in Amsterdam. She recalls Kim Richards insinuating dark secrets about Harry, fueling rumors of Harry's indiscretions.

Key Discussion Points:

• Kim's insinuations about Harry's behavior.
• Lisa's emotional response, leading to her infamous wine glass incident.

Notable Quotes:
Lisa Rinna [03:36]: "I almost strangled her. I was filled with energy and anger. I take the wine glass and smash it."
Harry Hamlin [06:07]: "So, hence the title of this podcast, which is 'Let's not talk about the Husband' uttered by Kim Richards in a moment of rage in Amsterdam."

4. Aftermath of RHOBH

The hosts discuss the lasting impact of their RHOBH experience on their personal and professional lives. Lisa shares the emotional toll, including death threats and the strain it placed on friendships. Harry reflects on the show's influence on his business ventures and their decision to part ways with RHOBH.

Key Discussion Points:

• Loss of friendships and trust among cast members.
• The psychological impact on Lisa, including grief over her mother's passing.
• Harry's gratitude for leaving the show and its effects on his business.

Notable Quote:
Lisa Rinna [05:53]: "They pushed my button so easily. I was jet lagged. I was mad, I was irate and rageful and I almost fucking strangled her."

5. Transition to Hosting a Podcast

Embracing authenticity, Lisa and Harry announce their transition to podcasting. They express excitement and apprehension about sharing their stories without the constraints of reality TV. The hosts highlight their differences and how these complement their dynamic on the podcast.

Key Discussion Points:

• Reasons for starting their own podcast.
• Differences between their personalities: Lisa's boldness vs. Harry's laid-back nature.
• Expectations and hopes for the podcast's future.

Notable Quote:
Harry Hamlin [35:03]: "We could sit here and talk between the two of us all the time. Forever."
Lisa Rinna [37:10]: "I'm gonna be a headline. It'll be a headline every fucking day, by the way."

6. Personal Reflections and Stories

The episode is rich with personal anecdotes, including:

• Harry reminisces about his role in "Clash of the Titans" and playing the first openly gay character in a film, discussing its societal impact.
• Lisa shares stories about her fashion evolution post-RHOBH and humorous interactions regarding her lip gloss addiction.
• The couple engages in playful banter, emphasizing their enduring relationship despite their differences.

Key Discussion Points:

• Harry's reflections on pioneering LGBTQ+ representation in film.
• Lisa's unexpected journey into the fashion industry after RHOBH.
• Their unique relationship dynamic and mutual support.

Notable Quotes:
Harry Hamlin [49:56]: "I would do it definitely again, because it was a real film about a real thing that was happening in society that nobody wanted to talk about."
Lisa Rinna [32:45]: "But I am addicted to lip gloss. It's true."

7. Engaging with the Audience

Towards the end, the hosts interact with their producer, Eve, introducing segments like "Spin the Wheel of Harry's Wild Cards." They discuss potential games and audience participation ideas, aiming to make the podcast interactive and entertaining.

Key Discussion Points:

• Ideas for podcast segments and audience engagement.
• The challenges of starting a new podcast amidst their busy lives.

Notable Quote:
Eve [40:33]: "We can spin it and you guys can riff on whatever we land on for a few minutes."
Harry Hamlin [41:16]: "Well, I do like gardening, and I do like pruning back all the stuff that grows too much."

8. Episode Conclusion

Lisa and Harry wrap up the episode by reflecting on their conversation's significance and expressing excitement for future episodes. They acknowledge the potential challenges but remain optimistic about their podcast journey.

Key Discussion Points:

• Anticipation for the podcast's growth and listener base.
• Final thoughts on their partnership and commitment to sharing their stories.

Notable Quote:
Lisa Rinna [51:23]: "Imagine where it will go. Like, why do you think people would want to come back for more to listen to this podcast?"
Harry Hamlin [51:27]: "Come on, everybody. Let's rock the boat."

Final Thoughts

In this inaugural episode, Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin lay a solid foundation for their podcast by candidly discussing their experiences on RHOBH, the strains it placed on their personal lives, and their motivations for venturing into podcasting. Their dynamic interplay—balancing humor with vulnerability—sets the tone for future episodes, promising listeners an engaging blend of behind-the-scenes stories, personal reflections, and entertaining banter.

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Connect with Lisa and Harry:

• Lisa Rinna: Instagram | TikTok
• Harry Hamlin: Instagram

Tune in every Friday for new episodes of "Let's Not Talk About The Husband" as Lisa and Harry continue to own their stories with heart and humor.

Transcript

[Lisa Rinna]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this is let's not Talk about the Husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been together for over 30 years, and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're gonna own it, baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Here we go. We're doing a podcast. Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlet, welcome.

[Lisa Rinna]

Put on your radio voice.

[Harry Hamlin]

Here we are in the studio doing a podcast. So welcome to let's not Talk about the Husband. And why is it called let's not Talk about the Husband?

[Lisa Rinna]

Because I think it's clever and catchy.

[Harry Hamlin]

But why that those words specifically?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, because they are iconic in the sense of what they mean. In the Amsterdam episode of Housewives.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is what I'm getting at. Let's have some context. So you're doing Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. It's one of your first episodes, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it's one of my last episodes of the first season.

[Harry Hamlin]

One of the last. First season. One of the last episode. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

The first trip you guys traveled to. My first season. Season five.

[Harry Hamlin]

Season five, yeah. So you went to Amsterdam and you arrived in Amsterdam. What happened?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it was the culmination of some high intensity relationship issues with Brandi Glanville, Kim Richards, Yolanda Hadid, Lisa Vanderpump, Kyle Richards, Eileen Davidson, and myself.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, those are the people in the cast. But what happened?

[Lisa Rinna]

I can tell you. Exactly. So we fly to Amsterdam and there was weirdness on the plane. We're on a. We're on a private jet somewhere. I want to think we were, but we weren't. Anyway, we were flying and I was getting some cold shoulder vibes from Kim Richards. And, you know, you're flying all day and you're all together, and so I could tell that there was something brewing. And so anyway, we get to Amsterdam and, you know, we're tired, we're jet lagged, and I think we have an hour to get ready. So we get ready and we meet down the lobby and we go to our first dinner. And I think it was our first dinner. And we get to the restaurant. We ride in a sprinter van, because everybody rides in our sprinter van on Housewives. And we get to the dinner and we sit down and five minutes into the dinner, we hadn't ordered drinks. We had not ordered dinner. That moment happened.

[Harry Hamlin]

What happened? I mean, okay, it's iconic. What did she say that caused this whole thing to come down?

[Lisa Rinna]

You don't remember?

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm asking you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, okay. Well, let me tell you. So she started to insinuate that there was some big, dark secret that you had and you were keeping. And we were keeping it from the show, and we were keeping it from everyone. That you had done something. She is insinuating that you had done something horrible. Like, horrible.

[Harry Hamlin]

So what did Harry do exactly? We actually ended up making a hashtag about that. Hashtag. What did Harry do?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. Let's not talk about the husband and let's not talk about what you don't want out there.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that's what went down. She said, let's not talk about the husband. Like, insinuating that I had gone out and, like, fucked everybody inside.

[Lisa Rinna]

And fucked. Really, like fucked everything. Fucked a man, a woman, a dog. We don't know. But that's a dog. Remember? We thought maybe people thought I was.

[Harry Hamlin]

Having it off with Lola.

[Lisa Rinna]

People have thought you've been having it off with everything and everyone since I've been a housewife. You know what it is? It's like when people were like, team Rinna. Everyone's really nice. Oh, we love your family so much. Oh, my God. We love everything about you when they're not. And when I became the villain, all of a sudden, you're fucking everything from, you know, you're gay, I'm your beard.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's true. I've got a bunch of people up at our cabin in Canada where I'm having it off with. What's her name? Patricia.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right, Patricia. Yes. You're having an affair with Patricia in Canada.

[Harry Hamlin]

And who was the other. The actress that used to be married to Bruce Springsteen. Who?

[Lisa Rinna]

I was Julian Phillips.

[Harry Hamlin]

Julian Phillips. I was having it off with her.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right. Remember? Yeah, yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

So all these people that I was supposedly having it off with. But sounds like fun, but I didn't have any.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. Too bad.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, well. So you were in Amsterdam. Amsterdam.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I went across the table and I about strangled her. And in my mind, when I was across the table. Cause it happened so quickly. I said to myself, you will go to jail in Amsterdam. Do not touch her. That's what my mind set. So I pull back, and that's when I'm filled with, you know, energy and anger. I take the wine glass and smash it.

[Harry Hamlin]

So it was rage, essentially, at that moment. And you actually broke a wine glass. I've seen that. And it's, like, hard to believe that little Lisa Rinna from Medford, Oregon, like, did such a bold thing at that moment. But you did. And it was in defense of me, I presume.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yeah, I was standing up for you. But here's the thing. I believe that throughout the season, as I was doing my interviews, they knew from my questions that they asked me and how I responded that you were a hot button topic and the girls were a hot button topic. So if you wanted to get me, you push those buttons. And that's what those producers are so fucking good with. They're evil geniuses. And they can get in there and figure out, okay, this is what you need to do, Kim, you need to go and say this to Rinna and she will fucking lose it. And guess what? That's what happened.

[Harry Hamlin]

They knew how to push your button.

[Lisa Rinna]

They pushed my button so easily. I was jet lagged. I can't even. There's no excuse. I was jet lagged. I was mad, I was irate and rageful and I almost fucking strangled her.

[Harry Hamlin]

So hence the title of this podcast, which is let's not talk about the Husband uttered by Kim Richards in a moment of rage in Amsterdam and has evolved over years into this. So everybody out there, thank you, Kim Richards, for giving us the title to our podcast.

[Lisa Rinna]

She's probably gonna want money. I think you better be careful. She might come after us for money.

[Harry Hamlin]

I have a lot of people on that show to thank for various things. I mean, I can thank Garcelle Bouvet for giving me this sauce business that I now have because had she not loved the sauce and then made a whole thing about something about.

[Lisa Rinna]

I made a whole thing about her not sending a thank you text. That's how it all began.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

She loved your sauce, by the way. Loved it and loves it.

[Harry Hamlin]

What's not to love?

[Lisa Rinna]

She loved it and we took it to her. Remember, it was Covid. Kathy Hilton got Covid that. That day. Right after the lunch.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right. Well, they came to, they said, we're gonna throw a lunch at your house for this, for the cast. And normally what people do, what the husbands do, is they would hire a caterer.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, the husbands don't do that.

[Harry Hamlin]

We do that, hire a caterer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Everybody hires someone.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I was supposed to be throwing this lunch. And so.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you turned out to be throwing it because you are too cheap to spend the money on a caterer.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wait a minute. I didn't have to throw that lunch. I could have said no.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you could have said no and we would had to pay for someone to come.

[Harry Hamlin]

And so the reason that I cooked.

[Lisa Rinna]

The lunch is so we didn't have to pay for it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's true, because normally what people would do is they would spend thousands and thousands of dollars on a cater and have some chancy food that nobody wanted to eat.

[Lisa Rinna]

Kyle Richards spends so much money a year on those parties. She spends the money herself. She and Maurizio threw all those big parties. Spent hundred thousand dollars on a party.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I'm not. And we're too cheap to go there. And so they asked, that was lunch. So I said, okay, well, listen, I'm going to cook my spaghetti bolognese because it takes a few minutes to cook it and I'll prepare the luncheon. I set the table, I set everything up, mainly just because I'm so cheap.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's true.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I had no idea that people were going to like it as much as they did, but they loved it.

[Lisa Rinna]

They loved it.

[Harry Hamlin]

It became a thing. So I only the greatest gratitude for that moment.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have you sent her flowers? Maybe you should send her flowers at some point.

[Harry Hamlin]

At some point. Depending upon how successful the business is. Yeah, if we hit it rich, I'll send her some flowers for sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

That was quite an iconic lunch, actually, now that we're talking about it. That was the lunch where. Where Sutton said to Crystal something about the ugly leather pants that was there. And. And by the way, hunky Dory happened that day too. What does that mean when Kathy says, who's hunky dory happened right there, like, that was an iconic lunch.

[Harry Hamlin]

Huh. Who knew? Anyway, so. But it's. It's still. It seems to be still alive somehow. That lunch has. Has created a whole business.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, now you have Harry's famous sauce.

[Harry Hamlin]

I have the. Which came out of that moment. Wow. It's amazing how things happened, isn't it? So how do you.

[Lisa Rinna]

And we have a podcast that's pretty much come out of that.

[Harry Hamlin]

All of this all come out of that moment. It's amazing. So you left Housewives, But I did. You know, we don't really talk about it that much about, you know, the whole house.

[Lisa Rinna]

I talked to you about it for eight years. I literally, like, tortured you for eight years about it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Why wouldn't it exactly torture? But you closed the door on it. And we haven't really talked about, you know, like, since then, how you feel about the show still being out there, not being on it, what your life is like. You know, we just kind of compartmentalize that moment of our life.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

So Tell me, how do you feel?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God. You're like an interviewer now. You're like a husband podcast.

[Harry Hamlin]

We're sitting here. I'm sitting in a chair. You're in another chair. Weird. You've got a mic.

[Lisa Rinna]

So fucking weird, isn't it?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, but I look, I mean, let's open up the convo. Tell me.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just got nervous. Well, I feel great about it. I have a lot of mixed feelings. I mean, it's been two years. Yeah, it's been two years, so.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Well, look at what's happened in those two years. You become a fashion, fashionista icon person with covers of magazines and walking in shows, stuff like that. I mean, how did that happen?

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know how that happened. I really don't. I mean, I left the Show January of 2022. That's almost three years.

[Harry Hamlin]

The end of the pandemic, essentially.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. And then right after, I got the call to go to Paris to sit at the Kenzo show, and that's how it began. And then, you know, Erika Jayne was there also. They had asked Erika Jayne to go. So we were both at the Kenzo show, and I decided to stay in Paris because we got another call. Somebody had seen us at the Kenzo show, and we got a call saying, do you want to go to the. The Ashi Studio show and we'll pay for your hotel. We'll keep you here? And I was like, yes. And then I remember Erica went home. So I just said, I think my saying yes to the universe has been very handy for me since I left Housewives. Cause, you know, you never know what's gonna happen when you leave Housewives if you're ever gonna work again.

[Harry Hamlin]

You didn't really wanna become a fashionista. You never set out to walk in shows and be on the covers of magazines. It just happened.

[Lisa Rinna]

It just happened. But you know that I have a love for fashion.

[Harry Hamlin]

This I know. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So who bought you your first really great dress?

[Lisa Rinna]

You did.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. Did I create a monster?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really? Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's your fault for sure.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's definitely my fault.

[Lisa Rinna]

You bought me at Madeline Gallet in West Hollywood. If any of you guys are old enough to remember Madeline Gallet, I know that Nicole Kidman is, because Nicole Kidman just talked about buying a dress at Madeline Gallett. So she's shopped there. Anyway, that's going back 30 years. And so you bought me the Alaia dress that is so iconic and lace Alaia. And you know who also has that dress? Who's Now a housewife is Jennifer Tilly. Jennifer Tilly has that same dress.

[Harry Hamlin]

The exact same dress.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exact same dress. Yeah, there were, you know, they made a few of them. I remember it was $3,000, that dress. And that back 30. What was I two years ago was like a lot of money. And you're so fucking cheap. You probably were really trying to get me $3,000 dress. Yeah, you did. And you also bought me that original Herve Leger with the diamond straps, those two dresses. That was even worth more.

[Harry Hamlin]

Was that when you hosted the Soap Digest Awards? And you also won for Best Actress that year?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, thank you for that, but no, I didn't. I don't think I won for Best Actress Actress. I won for Best Couple, I think.

[Harry Hamlin]

Who's counting?

[Lisa Rinna]

Robert Kelker Kelly?

[Harry Hamlin]

You won an award?

[Lisa Rinna]

I did. I won. It was my first award.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, yeah. I just can't believe that I bought these dresses for you. I mean, what was I thinking?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you must have wanted to nail it down. It's like, you know, you're trying to nail me down.

[Harry Hamlin]

I. I nailed you down.

[Lisa Rinna]

You did succeed. It worked.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I still nail you down from time to time, you know, but after 30 some odd years, you know, I don't nail as often as I used to.

[Lisa Rinna]

But then again, I mean.

[Harry Hamlin]

Enough.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, it's enough.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, it's definitely enough. I mean, I do remember we had. We had friends back in the day when we first got together who we thought that they were the best couple. I mean, absolutely. They were. They were rolling in the hay all.

[Lisa Rinna]

The time, by the way. You were jealous. I don't know if you're jealous of them, but you guys were envious of them with your other wife. You and your other wife were envious of their relationship. I remember that. Think we were as much. That other wife of yours.

[Harry Hamlin]

Which one? Which wife are you talking about?

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm not going to say names anymore. I'm just not, because I've learned my lesson on Housewives. But one of your other wives, you and your other. Other wife were. Your other wife was envious, I think, anyway. Are they still together?

[Harry Hamlin]

There was a lot of envy going around about that particular couple who seemed to be like the. Like the. The best couple in the world in terms of their love, their love making, their house, their. Their home, their children, whatever. I mean, you name it. And now horribly divorced. I mean, just not just a very, very bad horror story about that. So, yeah, thank God that, you know, whatever we were doing was the right thing, because we're still together. It's been 30 some. How long is it?

[Lisa Rinna]

32 years. And by the way, it's been more.

[Harry Hamlin]

Than that, hasn't it?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it's been 30 years.

[Harry Hamlin]

1992. 1993.

[Lisa Rinna]

1993. Really?

[Harry Hamlin]

So what is that, 31 years?

[Lisa Rinna]

Anyway, also, only housewife still married.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right. They're all. They're called housewives, but none of them are wives anymore.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, on my show, they're all single. That's just the truth.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I do remember when you came to me. I'll never forget exactly where I was sitting on our bed and you walked in from the bathroom and you said, I think I. I think I'm going to do Real Housewives.

[Lisa Rinna]

Say, I think I'm going to do it. I said, what do you think about this? And you said, well, I said.

[Harry Hamlin]

I said, I have my divorce lawyer on speed dial, and if you do that, I'll divorce you.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I said, okay, fine, I won't do it. And I walked away.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then I found out that it was actually a great branding opportunity. Talked to someone whose name will not be mentioned, but yeah, and we found out that it was a good branding opportunity.

[Lisa Rinna]

Who actually takes credit for me getting that job, by the way? She takes credit for my being born, I think. Yeah, I think she took credit for my gestation in the womb.

[Harry Hamlin]

But in. In any case, yeah, you. You did end up doing it. And actually, I'm very grateful that you ended up.

[Lisa Rinna]

I was gonna say, how do you feel about me doing the show and then my leaving the show?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I think, you know, little Lisa Runa from Medford, Oregon, always wanted to make a mark in Hollywood and be.

[Lisa Rinna]

Really, really famous and be okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

I wasn't gonna say that. You really want.

[Lisa Rinna]

Honey, we're here, to be honest. And I just wanted to be really famous.

[Harry Hamlin]

The totally opposite for me. I've never wanted to be famous. I'll do everything I can to not be famous. And yes, you succeeded. You're now.

[Lisa Rinna]

But that's all it did. That's all it did.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, we walk down the Champs Elysees in Paris, and all I hear is, Lisa, Lisa, Lisa Riddle. Yeah, yeah. So even in Paris. But. So, yeah, I'm actually very grateful that you did it because I think it satisfied a need in you that you had. Had since you were a child. And your mother used to read all the magazines about Hollywood and talk about all the movie stars and stuff like that.

[Lisa Rinna]

She knew who everyone was married to. She knew everyone, everything, as do You. As do I. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, I don't know anything about. About pop culture and nothing about social media, but if I need to know something, all I have to do is ask you. You're a font of information.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. I know it all. And whether I want to know it or not, it's in my DNA. I can't help it.

[Harry Hamlin]

And why do you suppose that is?

[Lisa Rinna]

It's my mom. My mom literally, like, it's in my DNA. That was my mom. That was Lois, and I just.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did she want to be a star? She wanted to be an actor.

[Lisa Rinna]

She wanted to be an actress, and she wasn't able. She would say she was too scared to really go and do it, and she didn't do it. So I think I had come in to fulfill part of that need.

[Harry Hamlin]

Somehow, from a tiny town, Medford, Oregon, you managed to extract yourself from that situation, and here you are, and I.

[Lisa Rinna]

Met you somehow at the eyeglass store. Which we'll get into. We'll get into that on the next episode. Episode of. Oh, our show.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

What else about Housewives?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, the girls. Did you make any friends? I mean, we talked a lot to these people while you were on the show, but we don't talk to them anymore. So tell me how you can spend eight years.

[Lisa Rinna]

We do a little bit. We do a little bit. I mean, I do. It's a volatile situation that shows with friendship.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you know what's interesting about it is the girls that I still, you know, in contact with, Erica, Dorit, Kyle. I didn't know them before the show. The girls that I knew before the show, I'm no longer friends with the ones.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, and that's. And another thing that's kind of unique about your being on the show is that you never watched it before.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, I did not.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we never watched the show. I have never seen any of the other Housewives and never saw this one before. You did it and haven't seen it since.

[Lisa Rinna]

Why would you, though?

[Harry Hamlin]

A lot of the people who go on that show have watched it continuously and tried to figure out how to sort of, quote, unquote, win it. If there's such a thing as winning. The Housewives show, it's not really a competition show, but I think that a lot of people watch that show and want to get on it. They get on the show and they think they can somehow, like, succeed.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, they're fans of it, you know, and they come on with an idea of how they want to be, you know, seen and how they want to portray themselves and.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but that sounds very premeditated. I mean, you went on the show having never seen it, didn't know what you were getting into. And I was not unlike today, which we've never talked about this podcast and how we were going to do it. Well, we're just sitting here for the first time doing it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but I think that's what you have to do. That's authenticity. You cannot go in, like, when you're acting, you do your work and then you throw it out the window. When you're in a scene with somebody, you have to be in the moment with the person. Correct.

[Harry Hamlin]

You got to dump it.

[Lisa Rinna]

You can't dump it, but you do all your preparation. You can't do preparation for a show like that.

[Harry Hamlin]

A lot of people think they can, and, you know, and I don't know. I mean, some of them seem to have succeeded in getting headlines anyway.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, they're good. They're going to be okay for a while. And then, you know, shows like that, you have your moment, and then the audience is going to rip you to shreds, and they're going down that road now.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, the trolls. I mean, it's incredible the number of trolls that are created by that show. Just, you know, I mean, we had a huge business on QVC destroyed by trolls.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it wasn't really destroyed by trolls, but they came after us, and we had to, like, you know, make some phone calls and shit.

[Harry Hamlin]

Remember, the corporate people at QVC had never seen anything like that.

[Lisa Rinna]

They got scared.

[Harry Hamlin]

They had never seen anything like the amount of negativity that they got from the trolls who were coming after you at qvc.

[Lisa Rinna]

But remember, there was someone in charge of those trolls, and we had to address it, and we did. And then.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, there was somebody on the show who had an army of trolls that they unleashed on. That's correct, I guess. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, that has become more and more attainable now, and that's probably the biggest reason why I'm no longer there, I would say.

[Harry Hamlin]

Because of the trolls.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Because of the fan base and where it went.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. They turned on you.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's not worth it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, that's what's happening in the media today. I mean, you. You look at social media and the effect that it's having globally with misinformation and all of that, and how you can basically inspire a whole group of people to become enraged over basically nothing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, offended. What did Andy Cohen say? People are desperate to be offended.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right. What do I call and you said.

[Lisa Rinna]

That a long time ago.

[Harry Hamlin]

Today I say that there is a great underground aquifer of indignation that's just.

[Lisa Rinna]

Waiting to come to the surface, fairly big term. Say that again.

[Harry Hamlin]

An underground aquifer of indignation. A sort of below the surface, a little bit like the water table below the surface. And you find a place that you can poke a hole. And there's so much pressure out there to get that indignation out, that out it comes and then it turns into rage and then people get killed.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, I had quite a lot of death threats, if you remember the last season. It just got to be too much. And, you know, because I had lost my mom and I was in a great stage of grief, and it was just too much. It was too fucking much. I couldn't do it. It's like life's too short.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, it was. It was a very hard moment. I remember we spent a lot of time. I spent a lot of time trying to bring you down and make you feel better about what was going on. And I'm not sure I was successful.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you were. I mean, there was not much anyone could do. You were really helpful. Erika Jayne was really helpful. My therapist was really helpful. But, you know, everyone else, it was brutal.

[Harry Hamlin]

At the end of the day, you had to go.

[Lisa Rinna]

I had to go.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I get it.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I did. You know, I almost resigned on the reunion. I wish I would have, now that I look back on it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Didn't you do it shortly after that?

[Lisa Rinna]

I did it the minute I got home that night. But I was gonna do it on camera, and I wish I had done that. That's the only thing I would do differently. I wish I had just said it right there. Like, you know what, guys? This has been a great run for eight years. I'm gonna go now. I would have. I wish I'd been brave enough to do it. But then you're not. You're like, oh, my God, you know, what if I changed my mind? Or whatever was going through my head, But I did it right when I got home. I literally. I think the time stamp on that email is like 12 something.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember you came home after a long, grueling day at the reunion and, yeah, you were fit to be timed.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it was. Listen, when you do something like that for eight years and it's just all bad, There was nothing good about it at that point. I didn't see the reason to continue. My contract was up and it was time. Like, if I was going to go I had to go then.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, then the timing was right. Right. Okay, so there you go.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I would never go back, in case you're asking.

[Harry Hamlin]

I have not asked, but I've noticed that a lot of people, people in that universe have been kind of reaching out to you from here and there. And my opinion, they're trying to see if they can soften you up to get you to come back.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, maybe, I don't know. But no, I look at that as a chapter that served its purpose. Well, I don't think I could have done anything more as a housewife. What else could I do?

[Harry Hamlin]

Are you kidding me? You were the goat. I mean, there was nobody. You are still considered, like, the most iconic of, at least on the west coast, for the west coast coast housewives.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know about that, but I mean, I'm pretty good. I'm up there as a housewife, I think. I think I did my job. I went in and I did exactly what you need to do as a housewife.

[Harry Hamlin]

You always said, this is my job and I gotta go in and just do my job. And your job was to be there, be present, and also to be prickly. To be prickly, you have to be, I mean, in those shows, for those kind of shows, if you're not prickly, you don't have relevance on those shows. So you were intentionally prickly sometimes, but always with a reason. There was always a raison d'etre for your prickliness.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I think, you know, personally, what I think made me a good candidate for a housewife is I don't like injustice. That's a real button for me. Injustice.

[Harry Hamlin]

And those shows are all about injustice.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. So they got really lucky. It's so easy to push my buttons. It was so, like, I was so easy to make react. It's ridiculous. You look back on it.

[Harry Hamlin]

The funny thing is that I know you in such a different way. I know you as little Lisa Rinna from Medford, Oregon. I mean, you are. There's nothing prickly about you at all.

[Lisa Rinna]

Isn't it so weird?

[Harry Hamlin]

It is weird. You're this sweet, very innocent creature and that people who saw you on that show.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, Harry, you're so dumb. You have no idea who you're married to. She's a psychopath, She's a murderess.

[Harry Hamlin]

They do. I mean, people think that, yeah, you've got this streak about you that's like really vengeful and horrible, but you don't have that. I mean, you're the sweetest, most nice Kindest person I have ever known, which is why I married you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God.

[Harry Hamlin]

And yet you're this. You're considered this villainous out here.

[Lisa Rinna]

So let me ask you, why do you think. Why do you think putting me in that, you know, rat's nest of women made me react like that? Because, as you say, I'm not like that. As, you know me in our life, why do you think I reacted like that?

[Harry Hamlin]

I think that you found yourself in a situation where you had no choice but to defend yourself and to stand up for yourself. And when you do that, yeah, you're.

[Lisa Rinna]

Considered to be prickly and maybe stand up for others and maybe call out things that aren't being said. And, like, I took that role on for whatever reason, and I don't necessarily take that role on in my life.

[Harry Hamlin]

So what possessed you to say, were you doing coke in the bathroom? I mean, that's an iconic line, too, but I mean, where did that come from? I mean, you saw some white powder on somebody's nose. What happened there?

[Lisa Rinna]

I can neither confirm nor deny.

[Harry Hamlin]

But.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, the person sitting across from me had something.

[Harry Hamlin]

Who knows what.

[Lisa Rinna]

Coke on his nose. But I'm not gonna say who. Anyway.

[Harry Hamlin]

Wow.

[Lisa Rinna]

We just. Okay, our podcast is number one. We're done. We don't have to do anymore. We're done.

[Harry Hamlin]

From your lips to God's ear.

[Lisa Rinna]

Number one. Okay, so that's. Yeah, he had coke on his nose.

[Harry Hamlin]

So what? Wait a minute. It's getting back to this. The. The whole thing. How did. How did that show transform my innocent life into this? Diva. At least considered to be diva by the audience.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, Villain. I don't even think diva. I think villen.

[Harry Hamlin]

So. But you're.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, well, here are a couple things. So let's talk about what happened with my friends, who I was friends with, somewhat friends with, like, acquaintance friends. Not super, super close friends, but friends nonetheless. How'd that happen where we have absolutely no relationship anymore. It ruined our friendship.

[Harry Hamlin]

Who's that?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, one starts with an S. One starts with a G. One starts with a D. Three of them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Continue.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

And so what? How'd that happen? Because I called out their. I don't know. Because I saw them for who they really are. I don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess. And that. And that show, you're supposed to call out, right? I mean, that. Well, if you don't call out the. On that show, then you're not really participating in the show.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I don't know. That's my sense was. Listen, even if you're my friend. If I think you're doing something that is wrong and shady, and I know that you're doing it to somehow catch me or catch us, I didn't like that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, this goes back to the loyalty question that we talked about a lot because, you know, people insist on you being loyal. You're my friend. You should be loyal. No matter what I say, no matter what I do, we're friends. You should be loyal to me. So, yeah, I mean, this is an interesting question, this loyalty thing, because I think a lot of people, when you call them out, wait a minute, your behavior is not correct here. They say, well, you shouldn't be calling me out. We're friends. You should be loyal to me.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly. And that's exactly what happened with, oh, there's another one. L, V, D, G and S.

[Harry Hamlin]

All.

[Lisa Rinna]

Of them, same thing happened. I could not stand by people that did things that I did not think were right.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, and I get that. I mean, I. I believe that, you know, one's behavior. What not when people say, but what they do determines who they are and what their character.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. It's much easier for them to go, oh, no, Rinna, she was so shitty and she did me dirty. Well, yeah, but why did I do you dirty and why was I shitty? Have you ever asked yourself that question? No.

[Harry Hamlin]

And they never will.

[Lisa Rinna]

And they never will. So. Bye. Bye. Anyway, listen, we lost a few friends. Que sera, sera. I got better ones now anyway.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Don't you?

[Harry Hamlin]

Very few.

[Lisa Rinna]

Very few. I know, but still.

[Harry Hamlin]

Still, you're my friend.

[Lisa Rinna]

I am your friend.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I mean, we spent all of our time together. I mean. Yeah. And so far I haven't gotten sick of each other. It's been 30 years.

[Lisa Rinna]

Isn't that crazy? I know. People are going to want to know all about that. Like, I think they're going to get a little hit of how we're very different. We're very opposite. We have nothing in common. But it seems to.

[Harry Hamlin]

We have nothing in common.

[Lisa Rinna]

Nothing.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, it's true.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're cute. I'm cute. So maybe that we have that in common.

[Harry Hamlin]

Speaking for yourself. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

As you are, like, what? Let's. What do we have in common? From your point of view, what do we have in common?

[Harry Hamlin]

We like water. We both like water.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, we both need water.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well. So, okay, I don't know. What else do we have in common? I'm. I. I have no relationship to fashion whatsoever. I wear the same thing every day. I don't. I don't change you're cute, though.

[Lisa Rinna]

You have a good style. Like, if you didn't have a good style, I would have a problem with it. I would have to, like, fix you up and I don't have to. So, you know, whatever.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you have to cover a new.

[Lisa Rinna]

Pair of shoes, though. I think you could get a new pair of tennis shoes.

[Harry Hamlin]

I could probably use some new stuff, but. Yeah, but you take. You know, you're like. It's a little bit, like.

[Lisa Rinna]

Trim you up.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, you trim me up. Without you, I would have. My eye. My eyebrows would be down to my feet.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know they'd be above your hair, but what do we have in common? We like to travel.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but you like to travel fancy. I like to travel rustic. So, I mean, it's like your idea of camping is any floor below the 10th floor in the Four Seasons. And I like the wilderness. I like going out and, you know, taking a dump in the woods.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, Harry, that's just.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, but, you know, that's part of camping. You can't. Gross.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's exactly why I don't do it. Right there.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, well, you'd get used to it. But what would happen if all of a sudden, civilization collapsed and we had to fend for ourselves in the woods? How would you deal with that? You know, where's my lip gloss? Oh, my God.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, I would not be happy.

[Harry Hamlin]

You would not be happy without your lip gloss. You'd be dead.

[Lisa Rinna]

I would be. Ripped my lips off.

[Harry Hamlin]

That stuff is so, so addictive.

[Lisa Rinna]

Don't you know? That's why I have to have it on at all times.

[Harry Hamlin]

Put special chemicals into the lip gloss that make your lips dry out, so you have to keep using it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, listen, I don't have many, you know, what do you call it? Addictions and issues.

[Harry Hamlin]

You are addicted to lip gloss.

[Lisa Rinna]

But I am addicted to lip gloss. It's true.

[Harry Hamlin]

There you go.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's the one thing without something on my lips. But my mom was the same way, and she would pick her lips or chew them, and so that's what happens to me. And there you go.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, but the problem is that when I kiss your lips, I get stuck.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. I know. I know, I know. I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, I mean, how often do I kiss your lips these days?

[Lisa Rinna]

Not very often, because I have my lip gloss.

[Harry Hamlin]

I get stuck to your lips. I mean, I'll go kiss you. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So it's all right.

[Harry Hamlin]

We make do. Even though you wear the lip gloss all the time.

[Lisa Rinna]

But anyway, what else? I don't know, we don't have much in common.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, we love our kids.

[Lisa Rinna]

We do love our kids. And we churned out some good children.

[Harry Hamlin]

We did.

[Lisa Rinna]

No matter how fucked up we are, we turned out some girls that were not fucked up. I mean, they're fucked up in their own way. Cause they're. Everyone's fucked up.

[Harry Hamlin]

Everybody's fucked up. But you know what I mean?

[Lisa Rinna]

It's like, how do we do that? Oh, I'm supposed to be the micro. Oh, right. I forget. I, like, got comfortable for a second. I'm learning. I never did. I don't do podcasts. Remember? I said no on Housewives to podcasts because I'd get myself in so much trouble every time I do a podcast I would like.

[Harry Hamlin]

And now this is nothing but trouble. Now we're doing our own podcast, which means it's gonna be trouble every week.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm gonna be a headline. It'll be a headline every fucking day, by the way. And you need to know that they'll.

[Harry Hamlin]

You think I don't know that I've been with you?

[Lisa Rinna]

We're gonna be clickbait central, like, constantly. Okay, but at least we signed on to be clickbait bait constantly.

[Harry Hamlin]

It just gave me a little pit in the pit of myself.

[Lisa Rinna]

Just true. Because that's why I wouldn't do podcasts, because I became. Oh, my God, it was just awful. So I've only done a ha. You've probably done more podcasts than I have, to be honest. I have said, you know what? Now when we want to have guests on the show, everyone's going to tell me to fuck off, because I have said no to their podcasts 45 times. The only one that can't say no to me is Teddi Mellencamp, because I went on that Two Peas in a Pod and did for her, and so she can't say no.

[Harry Hamlin]

Is the. The podcast world is a. Is a gigantic quid pro quo, like, if you don't do mine, I won't do yours kind of thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, probably I said no to everybody, Everybody. So everyone's going to say no.

[Harry Hamlin]

You have some work to do, girl. I mean, you want to get some guests on his show, you're going to have to ingratiate.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, you. You said no to me. I'm not coming on your podcast.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, yeah, our floor spill is going to be big because you're going to have to start sending some flowers out.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, well, I don't know. They'll probably just say, I'm not. Why? You didn't do mine. I'm not doing yours. But Teddy will do it because I did hers, so she has to do it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, well, it'll be an interesting ride.

[Lisa Rinna]

Who do you want as a guest? Like, if we were gonna have a guest, who would you want?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, like the guest, my guess. I mean, I'd like to have, you know, Bill Nye the Science Guy would be my perfect guest. And he's got a podcast, too.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have you done his podcast?

[Harry Hamlin]

I have not done his podcast.

[Lisa Rinna]

I did a podcast recently that I'm really excited. What was it called? Something about Asshole for Grindr.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, well, that sounds appropriate for Grindr.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was so much fun. I had the time of my life, and everyone was nervous that it would, like, go down some really, like, horribly raunchy. It didn't. It didn't. It didn't.

[Harry Hamlin]

The red rabbit hole doesn't really apply.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, Everyone was nervous that I would, like, really fuck myself. And I had so much fun. You know how much I love Drag Race? It's one of the drag queens.

[Harry Hamlin]

So this is another thing, the opposite thing. Okay, so you are addicted to Drag Race.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love Drag Race.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm addicted to Alone.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, which is about people trying to survive in the wilderness. That's my idea of heaven. Your idea of heaven is like, Drag Race guys dressing up as women and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Running around with big hair and performing and.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, okay, so there you have it. That's right there in a nutshell. That's it. Yeah, our opposite attract thing. So are we going to do a spinning a wheel thing here? Are we gonna. What are we gonna do?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, we're gonna play games. I like the idea of a couple things. I like the idea of playing games, and I like the idea of answering questions. Like, we'll have people call in with maybe, you know, relationship questions or life questions or. I like those two ideas. Are you game for that?

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course I'm game for that. I mean, look, we could sit here and talk between the two of us all the time. Forever.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm already tired, though. Aren't you? Like, this is exhausting to me to talk this long with your husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

I know. We. We rarely talk this long together. You know, I'll say. I'll say, hey, going on. What do you want to watch? That's basically our extent of our relationship.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wait, wait, wait. We have to talk about last night. This is funny. So you are rehearsing a scene with your acting partner on Zoom, right in the office.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I go upstairs and I Go. I'm gonna watch something, you know, that I'm gonna start by myself and watch. And in my mind, I'm thinking, this is gonna just be my show to watch. Like, I'm gonna watch this, and it's just gonna be mine, right? Because we have to watch everything together, which is lovely, but I have.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I don't like it when you cheat on me. The only way you've ever cheated on me is. Is I'll go out of town to do a show, and you will have watched an entire eight episodes of a limited series, and I'll come back and say, I really want to watch that series. You already watched it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, guess what? When you're gone for four months, you do not get that luxury. You do not get it. If we start a show and you're on location for four months, I get to watch the show.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so I can't watch the Count of Monte Cristo?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, this is your show. I get the movie, the Count of Monte Cristo, and I'm having the time of my life watching it. And then you walk in with my French subtitles, my English subtitles, and I go, no, no, no. This is going to be my show. Only I click it off. And you're like, wait, what? What do you mean it's going to.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like having an affair?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I don't care. I am going to have that as my show, and then I turn it off, because then I can go to it whenever I want. I can. You know, because sometimes they only have, like, a half an hour, and I'm gonna watch it for half an hour. So we are watching Silo right now. So I said, okay, we're gonna put my show over here, and we'll watch Silo, and that's how it's gonna be. I like having my own show also.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay? I'm gonna find an equal and opposite thing to do it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, you should find your own show that only you watch by yourself. It is so freeing. I love it more than Fifi.

[Harry Hamlin]

Fifi is available.

[Lisa Rinna]

You can find out however you want. It's so fun to have my own show that I don't watch with anybody, just me, by myself.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm good with that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, good. Anyway, that was that moment last night. I was like, nope, this is my show.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's the thing about, you know, those shows is that, you know, if. If you sneak an episode of one of those shows and I'm then an hour behind, I don't have an hour to catch up. And then we're screwed. That's it. I can't watch that show anymore. Look at Severance. I never finished Severance because. Because you watched an episode of it when I was away.

[Lisa Rinna]

I watched four episodes of it while you were away.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay? So that's mega cheating. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

I really fucked you on that one.

[Harry Hamlin]

All right. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Anyway, you got work to do, so.

[Harry Hamlin]

I do.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's a whole other issue. We should take some phone calls about that because I'm sure people have a lot to say about that. Kind of like, how many shows do you watch with your spouse? How many can one can you watch by yourself? Blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Question. It's not that exciting of a subject, really. I mean, it's okay, I'm sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

For like a minute.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

For like a minute and 30 seconds. How about that?

[Harry Hamlin]

All right, I'm up for that.

[Lisa Rinna]

All right.

[Harry Hamlin]

What about this wheel spinning thing? Eve?

[Lisa Rinna]

Eve, what about a wheel? What are we spinning?

[Harry Hamlin]

Where are we in this situation here?

[C]

So, hi, everyone. I'm Eve. I'm Lisa and Harry's producer. So I think we should play a little game of Spin the Wheel of Harry's Wild Cards. To give you some context. When Harry and Lisa came to us saying they wanted to start a podcast, Harry sent me a list of maybe 150 ideas of things to talk about. So I thought maybe let's put this on a little wheel and we can spin it and you guys can riff on whatever we land on for a few minutes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay.

[C]

All right, I'm gonna spin the wheel.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's like Wheel of Fortune.

[C]

Okay. We got a good one. Okay, so the question is, bush or no bush?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, God.

[C]

And I don't think we're talking about gardening, but correct me if I'm wrong.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I do like gardening, and I do like pruning back all the stuff that grows too much. But when it comes to the kind of bush I'm talking about, it's the kind that grows in the nether regions. I don't know. I like a good bush. You like a Brazilian? What do you call it?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yeah, like. I don't like bald. I don't like bald.

[Harry Hamlin]

Are you kidding? What is bald? Bald is, like. That's pedophilia, if you ask me. I mean. No, no, I'm serious. I mean, if. If I. If I ever. If I ever encountered somebody who would change. What?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's the fashion nowadays.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's sick if you ask me. It's just sick.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I. That's very judgmental. You just lost half of our audience. Really, by the way, you just did.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, well, I just. I don't get it. I don't understand it. It's unnatural. I like a bush. I mean, am I nuts? Am I crazy? What?

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know. I mean, remember on the show it came up about you liking a bush and like that went on for a couple of years. It had life on this show, you know, Would you turn somebody away, like in a. You know, hypothetically, if all of a sudden you're dating somebody who's like, no.

[Harry Hamlin]

I would ask them. I would ask them to grow it out. I would. I mean, I. Yeah, I mean, I just find it just wrong.

[Lisa Rinna]

All right.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, on a lot of levels.

[Lisa Rinna]

I like mine just trimmed up nice.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then I. Then I see you on the floor. I'll walk into the room sometimes and you've got the woman who's there on her hands and knees.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, she's waxing me.

[Harry Hamlin]

Waxing you. And how painful that must be. I mean, I see this right there in the most sensitive part of your body. She's like ripping this hair out. I go, ah, my face.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know you would think I'd get laser at this point. The girls are like, mom, go get laser. Like, what are you doing? I just, I don't know, I. I'm. I'm a creature habit.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I mean, look, I. I can live with a Brazilian. An airstrip or whatever you call it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know, I guess, I mean.

[Harry Hamlin]

There'S hair, but I couldn't. I couldn't live with the bald. No, I'm sorry, that's. That's crossing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, good thing that I'm not bald. And I don't go there because all I would say if you asked all of my friends, they're probably all bald.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, I do remember I. I shaved my chest once to do. When I was doing Veronica Mars. I had a love scene with Amanda. Amanda Siegfried. Yeah. And I thought, well, you know, she's like 12 and I'm 50 or whatever. @ least I'll shave, isn't it?

[Lisa Rinna]

It's always the way they put a 50 year old with a 20 year old.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, well, in that case, I mean, it was very. It was. That was the whole point.

[Lisa Rinna]

Always the way sick thing in the show.

[Harry Hamlin]

This movie star murderer. But anyway, so I shaved for the first time and last time I shaved my chest.

[Lisa Rinna]

I kind of remember. Kind of don't.

[Harry Hamlin]

But it was the worst. I mean, the. My chest was inflamed and you were itching.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. I remember grew out.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was intolerable.

[Lisa Rinna]

Does that happen down there too? Like if you. Man, something escaped.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. No, I can't do it. I can't. I can't. Cannot cut those hairs on my body or I become. I'm impossible because it just itches way, way too much. Yeah, no, it takes my breath away.

[Lisa Rinna]

You just lost, like, half of your gay audience too, I think, because they all do that, you know, manscaping.

[Harry Hamlin]

How do I get them back?

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know. But you just lost them because they.

[Harry Hamlin]

All wax and you guys come back.

[Lisa Rinna]

Trim up and cut all their pubes like you're you. Like, I lost. Well, who knows? I probably lost many. You lost all the gays.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, okay, you have to figure out.

[Lisa Rinna]

How to get them back.

[Harry Hamlin]

That'll be my project. My project. Guys out there is. I'm gonna get you back. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God. Well, the girls are going to be embarrassed by this whole situation. Like, I feel sorry for them in a way, actually, because they're gonna have to have their friends. Like, I felt bad on Housewives. Like, what the damage it would do to the girls. Right. I always did. I always felt like, oh, my God, like I'm them up forever. This is gonna take it to another level.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you didn't them up for Housewives. I mean, well, and, and I. You don't ask, by the way.

[Lisa Rinna]

You don't think.

[Harry Hamlin]

By the. No, no, no, no. I mean, I will never forget. You were, I think, in Japan with.

[Lisa Rinna]

Erica and the girls.

[Harry Hamlin]

Delilah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, and both of them.

[Harry Hamlin]

And, and all of a sudden we found out. You found out that they had read your book called the Sexy Sex. Sex Book.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, they read, they read Renovation and it's in that chapter.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, it's in Renovation.

[Lisa Rinna]

How to Give a Blowjob.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And, and what? They like, all of a sudden, I, I, I see Delilah. The camera's on her and she says, oh, yeah, that's how we learned how to give head. And I go, what? Excuse me.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're like. As I said, I've probably them up for, you know, a couple lifetimes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, either that or you set them up for a really great life, you know?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's true. That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I would.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, I don't want to know about that, though. I want to know about it. But yeah. Anyway, this is going to them up. They're going to be horrified.

[Harry Hamlin]

They're going to be fine. Don't you don't worry.

[Lisa Rinna]

You don't think. Oh, my God. Your parents. Imagine, Take a Minute and think like if your mom and dad were sitting in a podcast room with microphones talking, I'd be horrified if Lois and Frank were doing it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Think about. You have a point there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Think about it. Think about it. If weekly your parents were riffing on, like, everything in the public eye, just in general. Your parents were always in the public eye, but then they're sitting and they're talking together on a podcast. I feel sorry for them, actually, I do.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't. I think it's going to be good for them. No, no, I think that. No, they, they need to hear the honest. They need to hear what we're really about. You know, they know pretty much we don't. We share just about everything with them anyway, as you, as. You know. So, yeah, I think it's going to be good. Okay, the difference if we're opposite that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Again, I pray, I pray that I don't humiliate, embarrass. I mean, I've already humiliated and embarrassed them to the level where I don't even think I can do more. Think about it. Imagine if your mother was. Your mother is dancing like a stupid fool on Instagram. Imagine that. Like, I don't think about that. And then I think about it and I go, oh, my God, those poor children.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you are a role model to them. And it has allowed them to go out and be standout in their. In what they're doing. And the only way you can be standout in that world that they're in is to be bold. Well, and so what you have taught them, which is a really good thing, is to be bold, go outside, Think outside the box and go outside the boundaries. Because if the only way you can actually get the kind of attention that they need in that world is to go outside of the boundaries and to be okay with it, which they are. And thanks to you, they're okay with that. Because I'm a good little boy from Pasadena. I never do anything that's outside the boundaries.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, is that right? You just watch. You just watch us do it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I watch. And I'll, you know, I'll support you and try to patch you up, you know, after all the bruises and the cuts and scrapes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but you have that in you. You have that same risk taking, first gay character in a movie. In making love, you have that innately in you. So you might not do it all the time now, but that is born and bred in you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay?

[Lisa Rinna]

You take risks that would ruin your career, do lots of things.

[Harry Hamlin]

Some people might call that A risk. Other people would say, just stupidity.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, But I.

[Lisa Rinna]

In 1981, playing a gay character in a movie, well, it was risky.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, that's true. But it was also a great movie, in my opinion, you know, and a lot of other people's opinions. It was a movie. Movie was ahead of its time also. It was a good film, so Great film.

[Lisa Rinna]

And, you know how many people come up to you on a daily basis and say that you were.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, no, people come inspiration and say how it changed their lives and they.

[Lisa Rinna]

Came out because of it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And so, yeah, I mean, you do a film like that, and it has an effect on people's lives in a positive way. What else? What better thing can you do in life than that and then have a positive effect on someone's life? So I'm happy about that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Would you do it again now?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, no, I would. Look, I mean, yes, it did change my career. It didn't change it for the worse. It might have even changed it for the better. Who knows? There's no way to prove a negative. But looking back on it, I would do it definitely again, because it was a real film about a real thing that was happening in society that nobody wanted to. To talk about.

[Lisa Rinna]

Good on you.

[Harry Hamlin]

We talked about it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. You gave a representation that was not out there for people to see.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, anyway, anyway. Yeah. So how would we wrap up this podcast? In a nest?

[Harry Hamlin]

I've never wrapped up a podcast before, so I'm not sure how to do that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I would say, okay, guys, this is your first test and taste of us sitting across from each other. Imagine where it will go. Like, why do you think people would want to come back for more to.

[Harry Hamlin]

Listen to this podcast or watch it? God forbid.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, that's a good question. I really don't know. I mean, we're just.

[Lisa Rinna]

There's a lot of podcasts out there. I mean, it's saturated. So why does somebody say, oh, you know what? I want to listen to Lisa and Harry today? Why do you think? If I know exactly, I don't fucking know.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, anyway, anyway, thanks, everybody, for listening. Yeah, it's our first podcast, and there you go. Here we are.

[Lisa Rinna]

Here we are. I don't know what it's gonna look like. I don't know what it's gonna sound like. We don't know where it's gonna go, but you'll come on the journey with us. How about that?

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. Come on, everybody. You know, let's rock the boat.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let's rock the boat. Sometimes you're so weird. I mean, sometimes you're so weird. And I know I am too, but.

[Harry Hamlin]

Then we're all in the same boat.

[Lisa Rinna]

Or sometimes I oh my God, you're so weird. But I love you.

[Harry Hamlin]

There you go. Thanks everyone.

[Lisa Rinna]

Bye.

[Harry Hamlin]

Woo.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[Harry Hamlin]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, and if you liked what you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Heard, consider leaving us a rating or review. And make sure to tell all your friends too. I mean, like everyone you know and their mother.

[Lisa Rinna]

If you have a question for us or you need advice, God help you. Leave a voicemail using the link in our show notes. We might just answer your question in a future episode. Now you can find us on social media Lisarina on Instagram. And then I'm sirinnaofficial on TikTok.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm aryrhamlin on Instagram.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So see you next week.

[Lisa Rinna]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.