Pregnant on Playboy: Pregnancy, Postpartum, and Parenting Stories

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Pregnant on Playboy: Pregnancy, Postpartum, and Parenting Stories"

Introduction In this poignant and candid episode of Let's Not Talk About The Husband, hosts Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin delve deep into their personal experiences with pregnancy, postpartum struggles, and the challenges of parenting. Through a blend of humor and heartfelt honesty, they share stories that highlight the complexities of balancing fame, family, and personal mental health.

Lisa's Bold Move: Posing for Playboy While Pregnant The episode kicks off with Lisa recounting a pivotal moment in her life—her decision to pose nude for Playboy during her pregnancy. Reflecting on her choice, Lisa explains, “I felt like the expression of that was gorgeous” (04:12). Despite societal expectations and the stigma surrounding pregnant women in media, Lisa embraced her confidence and showcased her beauty during this transformative period.

Harry adds context to Lisa's experience, describing the logistics behind the shoot: “We shot it in Malibu and in the backyard” (07:35). He recalls how Lisa meticulously planned the photo session, ensuring she had control over the photographer and makeup artist, which resulted in groundbreaking images that challenged conventional portrayals of pregnant women.

Navigating Hollywood and Parenting As the conversation progresses, Lisa and Harry share anecdotes from their time at high-profile events, such as the Academy Awards. Lisa humorously narrates the struggle of fitting into a stunning Gianni Versace dress while eight months pregnant: “Philip was panicked. He was like, oh, fuck” (28:19). Harry vividly describes the scene where he had to use pliers to adjust the dress in a rush to attend the Oscars, highlighting the unpredictable nature of maintaining a public image while dealing with the physical realities of pregnancy.

The Birth of Delilah and Amelia: A Uniquely Shared Experience One of the most compelling segments revolves around the birth of their daughters, Delilah and Amelia. Harry recounts the intense experience of assisting in the delivery: “I pulled her out and she was still attached with the umbilical cord” (36:37). This unique involvement created a profound bond between Harry and his children, emphasizing the deep connection that can form when both parents actively participate in the birthing process.

Lisa opens up about her postpartum journey, revealing her struggle with postpartum depression: “I had horrible postpartum depression, but I didn’t know it” (43:55). She discusses the emotional turmoil she faced, including hallucinations and feelings of hopelessness, and how seeking professional help was pivotal in her recovery. “Once I took the antidepressant, it reset my clock somehow” (46:10), Lisa shares, underscoring the importance of mental health support for new mothers.

Parenting in the Spotlight: Education and Upbringing Transitioning to parenting, Lisa and Harry discuss their approaches to raising their children in the public eye. They reflect on the balance between providing their daughters with quality education and ensuring they grow up with strong moral values. “They went to granola schools that taught them how to be human beings” (54:32), Harry notes, highlighting the emphasis they placed on empathy and interpersonal skills over traditional academic achievements.

Lisa adds, “They eventually learned how to read... It's a progressive school, so they learn by doing” (55:18), illustrating their commitment to fostering independent and compassionate individuals. The couple expresses pride in their children’s upbringing, believing that the experiences and lessons imparted have shaped them into empathetic and grounded individuals.

Addressing Gender Roles and Mental Health Stigmas A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing broader societal issues, particularly the stigmas surrounding postpartum depression and the challenges women face in leadership roles. Lisa passionately argues for better support systems for women: “I don’t think any woman should suffer or have to suffer going through postpartum depression” (50:59). She critiques societal double standards and advocates for equitable healthcare support to address mental health challenges faced by new mothers.

Harry echoes these sentiments, emphasizing the need for understanding and empathy: “A woman is... they come out knowing how to be good humans” (54:59). The duo challenges traditional gender roles, advocating for a world where women can thrive without facing undue skepticism or barriers due to biological and emotional changes associated with motherhood.

Conclusion In this deeply personal and engaging episode, Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin offer listeners an intimate glimpse into their lives, showcasing the triumphs and tribulations of pregnancy, postpartum struggles, and parenting amidst the pressures of fame. Their honest conversations about mental health, gender roles, and the importance of supportive relationships provide valuable insights and foster a sense of solidarity among listeners facing similar challenges.

Notable Quotes:

• Lisa Rinna (04:12): “I felt like the expression of that was gorgeous.”
• Harry Hamlin (07:35): “We shot it in Malibu and in the backyard.”
• Lisa Rinna (28:19): “Philip was panicked. He was like, oh, fuck.”
• Harry Hamlin (36:37): “I pulled her out and she was still attached with the umbilical cord.”
• Lisa Rinna (43:55): “I had horrible postpartum depression, but I didn’t know it.”
• Harry Hamlin (54:32): “They went to granola schools that taught them how to be human beings.”
• Lisa Rinna (55:18): “They eventually learned how to read... It's a progressive school, so they learn by doing.”
• Lisa Rinna (50:59): “I don’t think any woman should suffer or have to suffer going through postpartum depression.”

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Note: The timestamps reference points in the transcript where notable quotes occur, providing context to the discussions.

Transcript

[Lisa Rinna]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this is let's not Talk about the Husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been together for over 30 years and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell. And on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode.

[Lisa Rinna]

Hello.

[Harry Hamlin]

Welcome back to let's Not Not Talk about the Husband.

[Lisa Rinna]

Talk about the Husband. Yeah, but here we are talking about the husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, today we're going to talk about the kids. How about that?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, they're gonna love that. Yeah, well, I mean, they're gonna love that.

[Harry Hamlin]

They love being talked about, don't they?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, budding little narcissists that we created, you know, I mean, come on.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, boy.

[Harry Hamlin]

But they're very, very successful right now. We're very happy about that, you know, so I'm going to go all the way back to the beginning.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. I'll go back to the beginning. I forget what exact month it was, but it must have been not. We were married in 1997, on March 29, 1997. And we talked about not long after we were married. We talked about having kids and it was like. Well, you were doing Melrose Place. I was.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think I was. Had been doing Henry van in Washington, D.C. up until.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, right. Cause remember I did that movie with, with Rob Estes in Charleston, South Carolina.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

I did some movie. I blanked this movie out. I don't even remember the name of it. I did a movie.

[Harry Hamlin]

Nor do I. Ron Estes. We had talked about having sex.

[Lisa Rinna]

Where I got Melrose. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

We were married, so we were legitimate. And we talked about. You were on the pill. We were talking about, you know, maybe having kids.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you know that lots of people have kids? Not married.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I did.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly. But you called this legitimate.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, we were married and.

[Lisa Rinna]

That'S so weird, though. I have to call. I'm gonna call you out on that stuff. So we were legitimate, so. But you had a baby out of marriage. What are you, illegitimate?

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, please, let's not go down there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you just did.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, we were married, so we were. After you get married, you talk about having kids. Ok, let's put it that way.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, back in the olden days, you couldn't not be married and have a baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

You did. It was very scandalous.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was very scandalous. And they would. It Was horrible, what the women went through.

[Harry Hamlin]

Thank God that that's not the case today. Well, getting back to the story, we'd been married, we were both working, and finally we decided, you know, it's time to maybe start a family. Let's see what happens. And you went off the pill.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I've been on the pill for like 18 years.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Long time.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you never know what's gonna happen after that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you don't know if it's gonna take you a long time to get pregnant because you've been on the pill for so long. That's what I thought.

[Harry Hamlin]

I got a job up in Vancouver, I think it was. The Hunted was the movie. Right. With Maitre Hammock.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was shooting in Vancouver, staying at, like, the Pacifica Hotel or something.

[Lisa Rinna]

Pacific Hotel or something. It was down by the water.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'll never forget that you had a couple days off and you came up to visit me and we made Delilah.

[Lisa Rinna]

We did. You knew it. Right after you said, we just made.

[Harry Hamlin]

A baby, I rolled over and I looked in your eyes and I said, we just made a baby.

[Lisa Rinna]

Legitimately. Teeth. I got him a smile. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Teeth.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we made Delilah in that hotel room that night. And then you were pregnant, doing Melrose Place. And, you know, that was in and of itself a big kind of drama. Right. Because you'd been hired to do Melrose because the actress who was gonna play your part, Taylor McBride, was pregnant. And when she told Aaron Spelling she was pregnant, they fired her.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

And they hired you. But then you got pregnant.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then that was my last year in Melrose, remember? That's when I left. That's when it was over.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. So, you know, you were beautifully pregnant, by the way.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I'll never forget, I love being pregnant.

[Harry Hamlin]

You were at Melrose. You came home one day with a couple of Polaroids in your hand and you said, harry, look at these Polaroids. And you showed me two pictures of yourself stark naked with your belly, Your pregnant belly hanging out in the old 1970s trailer from Melrose Place with the great paneling, that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Great paneling.

[Harry Hamlin]

Old wood style paneling. And you were standing there and you were stark naked and you said, look at how beautiful this is. And I looked at it and I thought, well, you know, compared to the wood paneling behind. Yeah, that's a beautiful image there. You were completely 100% pregnant.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like seven months, six and a half. Seven months. Seven months.

[Harry Hamlin]

So there was no question you were pregnant. And I'll Never forget the next thing you said to me. You said, I'm gonna send these to Hef.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's not exactly the story.

[Harry Hamlin]

Tell me the story. You can tell me the story.

[Lisa Rinna]

You can say it however you want. I had had this premonition this moment. I drove by the newsstand, and I. I was. I saw an issue Playboy, and I went, I think I should pose nude for Playboy. Pregnant. And I called my publicist, and she was like, what? She was like. I was like, well, what. What if you just called Hugh Hefner and just asked them if that would be something they'd be interested in or. No? And she said, all right, I will. So she did. And they said, well, we need to see what she looks like pregnant. I mean, what does she look like pregnant? Can she take some pictures of herself?

[Harry Hamlin]

So that's why you had the Polaroid section.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes. Because, remember, there's no cell phones. There's no Internet. There's no. Well, there might have been Internet, but there's no Internet. There's nothing. So they said, but we need to see what she looks like pregnant. So the idea was, I'm at work, and I get the makeup artist to come in my trailer. I said, I'm gonna take some naked photos of Harry for Valentine's Day. That's what I told them. Cause otherwise, I would seem real fucking weird and pervy if I was like, here, come take pictures of me.

[Harry Hamlin]

So who took the p. Come take.

[Lisa Rinna]

Pictures of me pregnant for Hugh Hefner, my makeup artist.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

So she comes in the trailer and she takes those Polaroids that then you see. And I think I've already mentioned to you about it, but you don't remember. That's why we took the Polaroids and we sent the Polaroids to Hef.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember you calling him Hef.

[Lisa Rinna]

I called him Hef.

[Harry Hamlin]

And me going, wait a minute. Who Hef? And it's like, so, okay, Hugh Hefner.

[Lisa Rinna]

So Hugh Hefner. We sent in an envelope, these Polaroids.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And it was. I. I was thinking, that's insane. You know, they don't do.

[Lisa Rinna]

They're never gonna do that. I know.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then how did you find out?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, the woman that ran Playboy. We have to Google it. She did all of Pam Anderson's play. Like she was there. Marilyn something. She was there for years. I think Marilyn called my publicist and said, we love it. Let's do it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did they want to do, like, a test shoot first, or did they just go for it?

[Lisa Rinna]

They went off of the Polaroids And I said, well, if I do it, I would like to pick my own photographer, own makeup artist. And they let me pick Frances Tallow. What's his name? Francesco Tallo. And his wife did the makeup. Anyway, we have to look and see.

[Harry Hamlin]

But was that out. And you shot that out in Malibu?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it was a fashion photographer. We shot it in Malibu and in the backyard.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember going out to Malibu.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, we shot it at some house in Malibu. So I had somewhat control over it. Cause I got to pick the photographer who was a real great fashion photographer at the time. His wife did the makeup and boom, we did it. And then, boom. It was the first person to ever pose nude pregnant.

[Harry Hamlin]

The first and only. I think no one has ever. No other pregnant person ever.

[Lisa Rinna]

No one was ever stupid enough to do this.

[Harry Hamlin]

Playboy is. Is about recreational sex. Not recreational sex.

[Lisa Rinna]

But isn't. Isn't sex procreation? I mean, that's kind of the way I looked at it. I just felt more beautiful pregnant than I ever felt not pregnant.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you were really beautiful.

[Lisa Rinna]

I felt like the expression of that was gorgeous.

[Harry Hamlin]

Now, women oftentimes say that they feel.

[Lisa Rinna]

Unbelievably beautiful or the opposite. You know, some women feel horrible and have a horrible time. Mine was great. Why I did it, like, who knows why I do the things that I do? Demi Moore had already posed nude on the COVID of Vanity Fair, but covered. And she was the first one to ever do something like that, right? Yeah. So, I mean, that's probably how I got the bee in my bonnet. Didn't just come out of the blue. I just took it a step further and was like, let's go naked and go. And Playboy. But I think it was pretty groundbreaking at the time.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, no, it was definitely groundbreaking. And not anything sexy at all.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it's really beautifully done. And I have a full bush. So you love that. Like, I do.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like a bush.

[Lisa Rinna]

I look back. I look back on it and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I am fucking hairy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, Well, I love that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, my bush is big in that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Let's get back to that.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, I don't know. No, it's not cute. It's not cute.

[Harry Hamlin]

But you don't have to look at it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I have to live in it. I don't want to have to wear a bathing suit and have my hair halfway down my legs. I am a hairy woman. And I don't think that's.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that depends on what kind of bathing suit you're wearing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, the bathing suits nowadays don't cover that much. I have hair that goes down my leg. It's not cute.

[Harry Hamlin]

You are fairly hirsute. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So anyway, that. For me, like, I went and got waxed today. I still get waxed.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, you got waxed today?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Because I think it's fresh. Because I'm going to Paris on Saturday and I want to be fresh for my fittings.

[Harry Hamlin]

For your fittings?

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, you go to have fittings and you don't want the hair, like, down your leg.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, not for Pierre. No, not for Pierre. No, for the fittings.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right. Just for the fittings. For, you know, fashion. I like to have a certain cleanliness. I think it's cleaner than having a bush. I think a bush. I know a bush is there to keep the bugs out, like back in the olden days. I think that's why we have a bush.

[Harry Hamlin]

But wait a minute.

[Lisa Rinna]

Keeps the bugs out of your juju. For juju.

[Harry Hamlin]

But some bugs like the hair, like the crabs, you know, they like the hair. They like the.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, but let's think about it. Why do you have hair on your.

[Harry Hamlin]

Down there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Down there. I think it's to keep bugs out.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, it's also to keep it warm. I think back in the day before clothes, when human beings were in the Garden of Eden, running around without any clothes on.

[Lisa Rinna]

Why just there? Why not? Why under your arms and your.

[Harry Hamlin]

Who knows? I don't know. There probably was a time when we were completely covered with fur.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, sure. But why does it stay there? And why do men have it? Like, why do you have hair on your balls?

[Harry Hamlin]

This is a good question. Why do I have hairy balls?

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know, Harry, why do you have hair?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, human beings have hair down there, and they're in other regions and, you know, I wonder if anybody's ever tried to figure out from a Darwinian point of view why it is that we still have hair down there.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think it's to keep it clean and keep warm.

[Harry Hamlin]

Why do we have hair in our heads? We have hair in our heads to keep our heads.

[Lisa Rinna]

Why do we have fingernails? You know, why do we have toenails?

[Harry Hamlin]

And why do you have lips? Why do you have a nose?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, God.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. We could go down this rabbit hole forever, but the fact is, we are who we are. So you're pregnant. Right. And you're beautifully. You do playboy. Playboy comes out. There's not a lot of fanfare around it.

[Lisa Rinna]

No.

[Harry Hamlin]

But then comes, like, we're thinking about how to give birth, and we hire a Doula, Right? And the doula wears a turban, did she not?

[Lisa Rinna]

She was a Sikh.

[Harry Hamlin]

She was a Sikh, Yep. And so we would go and take these classes, and I remember one of them was that for. For the husbands. We had to take the same classes. It was all about.

[Lisa Rinna]

You came with me.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was all about how to handle pain. Because they knew that you were going to be in extreme amount of pain.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you remember that? They made us hold our arms out like this for 15 minutes.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was just about to say, like, they were so cruel. I'm the husband. Okay? I don't have to give birth. But no, I had to go through the same pain you had to go through.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I did like that part.

[Harry Hamlin]

They had to. We had to hold our arms out of our 15 minutes, which is impossible.

[Lisa Rinna]

Which is really a long time.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I mean, I was screaming, screaming, and. And she would say, oh, but that's nothing, you know, nothing.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, she's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

Compared to what's going to happen.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, they're right. Well, I mean, if you had to give birth, if men had to give.

[Harry Hamlin]

Birth, we would have built a machine long ago.

[Lisa Rinna]

There would be no babies. You would not have ever endured it.

[Harry Hamlin]

It would either be no procreation, or we would have created a machine to do it outside of our body.

[Lisa Rinna]

So that's why I never. I mean, we. Women are such badasses. You guys are just afraid of us. That's why you try to keep us down and controlled. Because if we ruled the world, the world would be fucking awesome. There you go. That's my story.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't disagree with you.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's the truth. And so you have to control us so we don't take over, because we would fucking probably kill you all off.

[Harry Hamlin]

So the Equal Rights Amendment, which President Biden tried to make into law but didn't actually. Didn't succeed, even though the number of states required to ratify it have ratified it, though not in the timeframe that was allotted in the original charter for the Equal Rights Amendment, but so nobody. There's a certain faction of people in the United States that do not want you guys to have equal rights and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Equal rights, duh, duh. And it's about to fucking happen.

[Harry Hamlin]

And the reason is. And I think the reason is because people recognize that, yeah, you guys would probably take over.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, we're powerful and we're smart. We're more powerful. We're smarter. We can do five things instead of one thing. We can do five things at once. You can do one thing. You Guys are terrified of.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're going a little bit far out on the limb.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't think so.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, we have our strong points.

[Lisa Rinna]

You do.

[Harry Hamlin]

Women have their strong points.

[Lisa Rinna]

You've had your shot. You've run the country and the world for eons. Why not let a woman do it? Because I guarantee you be in a much better place.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, so what happens for a woman who is pre menopausal, who every 28 days has PMS and there's a button, a red button that launches the new person?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's what you're worried about?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, I have been on the receiving end of PMS for many, many years in my life.

[Lisa Rinna]

And menopause, I know what it's like.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, you know, is that what.

[Lisa Rinna]

You guys are worried about, though? Like, all of a sudden? Because were more emotional or were premenstrual, we would push the fucking button.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that I. Look, seriously, there's no way to know for sure what would happen. But I can say, having been there, that every 28 days you got to.

[Lisa Rinna]

Put your helmet on a menopausal woman, then you're not going through that if you're through menopause. I mean, Kamala Harris was 59. She's not going through that. That's not an excuse there. She's 59. She's already been through menopause.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, I. You, you, you. You're right. You got me.

[Lisa Rinna]

But I understand, like, yeah, pms and that issue is. Is not ideal. So pick someone that's been through menopause. There's plenty of that.

[Harry Hamlin]

So the constitution says that you gotta be 30 something. 35 or 37, something like that. 35 before you can be president. So for women, it would have to be like 55. No, I mean, am I wrong?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I mean, some women go through menopause earlier, but let's say if you don't want menopause. But it's so fucking sexist. And like, I hate that. That would be like a prerequisite. You have to be menopausal.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm just going off of my experience with. With premenopausal PMS women. I mean.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, no, you're just talking about people that have PMS and are on their periods.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And it can be. Can be brutal, can be bad. It can be, like, irrational. You know, that's all I'm saying is I've experienced that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think it only gets irrational in a private circumstance. You don't act like that at work. Like, you don't allow yourself to be premenstrual or menstrual like that at work, only with the people you love.

[Harry Hamlin]

Throw shit at the people you love.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's who you. That gets targeted. Are the people close to you. Okay, well, that's an interesting conversation to have, though.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'll go with that. But hormones are hormones and they have. They're very effective little buggers, those hormones.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yeah, I mean, they give you babies and they. They do a lot, but could they.

[Harry Hamlin]

Start a nuclear war as well? That's the question. You know, I don't know.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't think that that's part of it. I think that you're hormonal and you're feeling things. It doesn't mean you're gonna fucking blow up the world.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I hope not. And you know, I have much more sympathy for women who have.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think that's a bullshit cop out, actually. I do.

[Harry Hamlin]

All right, well, whatever.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't like it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Anyway, getting back to your being pregnant. And beautifully pregnant. So beautifully pregnant that you were featured on the COVID of Playboy.

[Lisa Rinna]

And inside.

[Harry Hamlin]

And inside as well. With a full bush.

[Lisa Rinna]

Delilah is on the COVID of Playboy.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's true. Delilah has been on the COVID of.

[Lisa Rinna]

Playboy already, though, by the way. They've not looked. No one's looked at it, which I don't blame them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, the kids haven't looked at that Playboy.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, really, no one's looked inside, at least. At least they say that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, I'll bet they've looked at it. And then you did it again Many, many years ago.

[Lisa Rinna]

When I was 45.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Not pregnant.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that was not for, you know how that came about. That was not something I was thinking of. I was not ever thinking, like, oh, boy, I'm gonna do pregnant. I'm gonna do Playboy again someday. Here's how that happened. So a friend of mine did a book called Room 23 to raise money for war crimes. She's from Bosnia, Escape the War. And she's doing this book at the Peninsula Hotel about what? You know, like a fantasy thing about what goes on in all the rooms. Cause she was. She had a hotel room there that she lived by.

[Harry Hamlin]

Was it room 23 where she stayed?

[Lisa Rinna]

I believe so. Okay, so she was very. She had a lot of very famous friends. And she got everybody to do this book. And I'm talking Elton, George Clooney, Heidi Klum, Lindsay Lohan, like, oh, you are dropping some names. Oh, honey, you gotta. If you can get ahold of this book, Room 23. It is a gorgeous book. Gorgeous. So I'm there with Lindsay Lohan. Lindsay Lohan's going before me. That's all I remember. We're in this room, there's tons of people.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you were asked to have a picture taken in room 23?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes. So my friend said, would you be in my book? Like, sure, why not? It's for charity. I'll do it. Love it. And then Jen Atkin was doing the hair. Jen Atkin has become like this huge hair person in the world. And she has the way hairline. Like she becomes hugely successful. And this was like one of her first jobs. Anyway, I'll never forget, I was after Lindsay Lohan, or we were like both in the different makeup chairs at the same time.

[Harry Hamlin]

Anyway, so it was Lindsay Lohan.

[Lisa Rinna]

Who was Lindsay Lohan?

[Harry Hamlin]

Lindsay Lohan, yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So everybody that's in this book, it is like filled with famous people. Anyway, so the photographer's Deborah Anderson. So is a woman. And we get in there and I. I think I have clothes on. I don't even remember. And I have like this necklace on. Anyway, long story short, I end up naked. I end up naked.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is your want.

[Lisa Rinna]

It just happened. And the lighting was beautiful and I was naked. And anyway, take the pictures. The pictures are gorgeous in this book. But afterward, Deborah said something like, would you ever want to do Playboy? Because I would love to shoot you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Hmm.

[Lisa Rinna]

Ding, ding, ding. Little thing in my head. Then once I see the pictures, I think, oh, my God, she's good. So anyway, it happened again. I don't know who we reached out to, but we reached out and said, hey, Deborah needs to shoot it. And then we did it. It was never hard, so it must have been meant to be, you know, when things are just easy. It was just easy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, by this time, the kids were how old? Because they were both born by now.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you were, well, 2008.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so you had a 7 year old and we had a 13 year old. Something like that. 12 year old.

[Lisa Rinna]

Weird time to do Playboy. But anyway, you never think. One thing you never think of is, oh, my kids are gonna see this someday. You just. You don't really.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, well, they're not too interested in what we have done in our lives. They really aren't, you know, I mean, they've never seen any of my movies.

[Lisa Rinna]

People need to understand about Nepo babies, because they are. They know they are. They don't give a shit about when their parents are dying. I don't care if you're Sting is your dad. I don't care if Who?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I have asked many times. You know, hey, hey, you guys, you want to see the first movie that I made? It's really cool. It's really. It's black and white. It's. I was like 27. Oh, no, dad, maybe later. See you later.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, they've never seen Days of Our Lives. They've never seen Melrose Place. The only thing they did see was Housewives.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, they watched Housewives.

[Lisa Rinna]

That was fucking embarrassing. That's the only thing they've seen.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I don't think they watched it. They haven't seen anything of mine. They haven't seen classrooms.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think that's what everybody needs to know. That if you grow up with parents that are, you know, in the public eye or famous in some way, the kids do not care. They don't know that their parents are famous. They don't care that their parents have made movies or posed Newton, Playboy, or are the biggest supermodel in the world, like Cindy Crawford. Like, they don't care. That's true, by the way. Not a shit.

[Harry Hamlin]

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[Harry Hamlin]

Getting back to your beautiful pregnancy. We sit down with our OB gyn. Your OB gyn. Howie Mandel.

[Lisa Rinna]

His name is Howie Mandel.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's true. And oh, first we go to a party one night. You're now eight months pregnant. Wait a minute. You gotta go back to the Academy Awards. Okay. Cause Stanley Donnan.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Cause that's good.

[Harry Hamlin]

Is getting. Stanley Donen directed Singin in the Rain. But he also directed my first film movie movie with George C. Scott. And he was getting an honorary Oscar that night.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

At the Oscars. And So I don't like to go to the Oscars unless we're nominated or presenting or something like that. But he was there getting this honorary Oscar. So we decided to go.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I am seven months pregnant.

[Harry Hamlin]

Eight even. You were big. You were like ready to drop.

[Lisa Rinna]

Maybe it was eight.

[Harry Hamlin]

So the Oscars. She was born in June.

[Lisa Rinna]

June 10th.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think the Oscars are like in May or April. April.

[Lisa Rinna]

They're like in March. It was March, so I probably already shot Playboy.

[Harry Hamlin]

But you had the Versace dress, didn't you?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yeah, I somehow Philip Block styled me for that. Cause we got invited to the Academy Awards. I somehow. I don't know if I was working. I think I was working with him at the time. Yes. So Philip Block called Gianni Versace somehow and got Gianni Versace because he was still alive. Make me this dress to go to the Oscars. Aqua chainmail top. Beautiful. Like chiffon layered, embroidered with beads. It's stunning. Of course I still have it.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, it was a beautiful dress. But what they didn't calculate was that you were gonna get bigger.

[Lisa Rinna]

From the moment, from the first fitting.

[Harry Hamlin]

From the first fitting, you were gonna, you know, Delilah was gonna grow in your belly. Right. So it comes time to the day, right. And we've gotta get ready to go to the Oscars. And all of a sudden your dress doesn't fit you anymore.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Cause you know, your back gets bigger. Everything gets bigger. That's right. And we, and Philip was panicked. He was like, oh, fuck.

[Harry Hamlin]

What do you mean? Somehow we got him. He. He called me on the phone and he said, do you have a pair of pliers or something? And I had to go in and, and undo something.

[Lisa Rinna]

That chain mail, that gorgeous, you know, iconic chain mail.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. So I was on my knees with a pair of pliers opening up this dress just as to refit it. To refit it. As we were trying to racing to get to the Oscars on time.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that night, I remember waiting for the valet, we're waiting for a car and somebody.

[Harry Hamlin]

Susan Sarandon came up and gave you a chair.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, I forgot it was Susan. Name drop. So it was one of those plastic fold out chairs. And she came and gave me a chair to sit down.

[Harry Hamlin]

A chair to sit down. Because yeah, you were so big and huge and pregnant.

[Lisa Rinna]

So then we go to the Vanity Fair party.

[Harry Hamlin]

Vanity Fair party. And Good Will Hunting had won the Academy Award that night.

[Lisa Rinna]

So it was Matt Damon and Ben.

[Harry Hamlin]

Affleck, both with their Oscars in their hands, walked in and saw you pregnant and Walked up and they.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's Matt. It's not Ben.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's just Matt walks up with his Academy Award and he touches your belly.

[Lisa Rinna]

With it, kisses my belly with it.

[Harry Hamlin]

And says, this is for good luck. And he might have even said, I hope your kid becomes a superstar or something like that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't remember. I was so flabbergasted by the moment. He literally takes his Oscar and kisses. I mean, Delilah is blessed.

[Harry Hamlin]

Not only has she been on the COVID of Playboy, she's also been to the Academy Awards already and the Vanity.

[Lisa Rinna]

Fair party and been kissed by Matt Damon's Oscar. Yeah, Oscar.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, you're on your way, Delilah. No problem.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, that story, I'll never forget it ever.

[Harry Hamlin]

Not long after that, we were at some party somewhere and Chuck Woolery. Is that his name?

[Lisa Rinna]

Chuck?

[Harry Hamlin]

Tell the story.

[Lisa Rinna]

Chuck Woolery. We're at Kenny and Lindy's party. We're at Kenny and Lindy's in Malibu. I think that's what I'm gonna say.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was a big party. I remember we were kind.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was a big party. Wherever we were, we're at a big party and Chuck Woolery was there and of course saw me pregnant.

[Harry Hamlin]

And Chuck, Willie, he was a game show host.

[Lisa Rinna]

I forget. He just passed away. God rest your soul, Chuck, but we're going to tell this story about you. So we're chatting with Chuck and he goes, I gotta tell you something because I'm pregnant. So he begins to tell you this.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. He said, hey, Harry, this is what you gotta do. You gotta pull your kid out. You gotta deliver your own kid. He said, it's amazing.

[Lisa Rinna]

And you're like.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm thinking, what. What do you mean, pull my own kid out? And he said, yeah, yeah. All you gotta do is you. You watch a video, you. You talk to your obgyn, and you can go in and deliver your kid. And I thought, that's weird. But then I started to think about it and I thought, well, that could be an amazing thing to do. And I remember talking to the ob. Gyn. Obgyn. Howie.

[Lisa Rinna]

Howie Mandel.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I. I said, howie, is it possible? Can I do this? And he said, yeah, absolutely. You know, if you want to. He said, most dads don't want to do that, but if you want to do it, you can. And I saw some video about, you know, waiting for their shoulder to come out and then reaching into you, you know, into your. Whatever you call it your pie hole or whatever.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's your vagina.

[Harry Hamlin]

Whatever.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's your Cervix, birth canal, whatever, your uterus.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we go to the hospital. I'll never forget the mockingbirds are chirping like crazy outside.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh yeah. And I was watching a Lakers game when I went into, and I went into labor. And I remember calling Howie. Cause you always think that you're in labor. And he would be like, oh, it's false alarm, false alarm, false alarm. He goes, you're gonna know you're really in labor. You will be in so much pain, you'll drop to your knees.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really? And what about your water breaking? Doesn't that.

[Lisa Rinna]

My water didn't break, so you can't rely on that. I called him probably five or six times and he said, you'll know when you're actually in label. Cause it'll make you. Your pain is so intense, you'll drop to your knees. So I was watching Lakers game, God knows why playoffs. And I dropped to my knees and I think I went, harry, okay, it's time.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we raced into the car and drove.

[Lisa Rinna]

You think it's gonna come like right away? And by the way, usually doesn't your first baby the car. You're like riding it. It's so painful. I remember not being able to sit. It's like so painful.

[Harry Hamlin]

So we, we got you into the car and we got to the hospital and they set you up in, in the room. And you had one of those things above your head so you could actually.

[Lisa Rinna]

Pull yourself up like pole, like a.

[Harry Hamlin]

Bar, you could pull, so you could.

[Lisa Rinna]

Squat and push, right?

[Harry Hamlin]

And there was a bathtub and a little cot for me. And.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I was going to try to do it naturally. That's why we had a doula, like a doula nurse, birth nurse to help. Because I wanted to do it natural, no drugs, no epidural.

[Harry Hamlin]

And the, the doula with the turban was there, right? The whole time.

[Lisa Rinna]

She was there the whole time.

[Harry Hamlin]

She was taking pictures. The whole. Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

And we have all the photos.

[Harry Hamlin]

We have all these photos. And so, you know, hours and hours and hours went by because we got there in the evening.

[Lisa Rinna]

We got there at 8:30.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then you didn't give birth until.

[Lisa Rinna]

Remember I was walking the halls. Yeah, walking the halls, walking. I remember stopping and like putting my arms up like this against the wall and being. Just like being the bathtub. It was fucking horrible.

[Harry Hamlin]

You were miserable, absolutely miserable.

[Lisa Rinna]

15 hours of it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Finally you took the shot, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

I called a friend of mine and I was so miserable. She goes, lisa, you don't get an award for giving Birth naturally, no one cares. No one's gonna give you anything. You don't get an award. Take the drugs, take the shot, take the epidural before it's too late. So I did, but I had to have the permission. I needed somebody to tell me it was okay. Cause I'd really. My accident.

[Harry Hamlin]

Did you induce also?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you couldn't induce without the drug because it would be too painful. And they needed to induce because it was going too long. You had to have an epidural.

[Harry Hamlin]

Poor Delilah. Her head was stuck in the birth canal for at least 20 hours, 24 hours. And, you know, and I'm not.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't think my birth canal is that tight. My hips. I don't have big hips. My hips are narrow. And so I think she was so fucking squished. So finally I took the epidural. And I remember you, like, went and got some breakfast, slept a little, had a. Had a nice meal. Because then you're fine. Like, then you feel nothing.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, with the epidural. But then, you know, Howie said, okay, you know, it's time to give birth. It's hard to push, to push. And so you started to push. And then I had to get into.

[Lisa Rinna]

Position, by the way. I had to push for two hours. So let's not let them know. Like, it was a quick thing. Two fucking hours. I pushed, and I was on that bar. I did the bar squat. I did the whole thing. Really hard work.

[Harry Hamlin]

I have a lot of empathy for you because you basically shot a bowling ball out of a hole the size of a Coke bottle.

[Lisa Rinna]

And millions of millions and millions of women do it every second.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's crazy that you go through that. But I'll never forget standing there. Howie was in front of me, and he was trying to get Delilah to come out. Her head was stuck in your vagina. I was looking down, and the head was stuck. And you're pushing, pushing. The head was stuck and pushing, pushing. And finally he just reached over and grabbed a pair of sterling silver scissors.

[Lisa Rinna]

Sterling silver?

[Harry Hamlin]

They were. Yeah, they were, you know, bright.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do they have sterling silver scissors in them?

[Harry Hamlin]

He just reached over and grabbed these scissors. And I'm looking down at Delilah and her head trying to come out. And he reached down and he just snipped, snip, snip. And it looked like chicken. He was just cut right through your Fujiju. And her head started to come out. Your opening wasn't big enough for her to come out.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then it would have torn if he didn't cut. So I mean, there's. There's two, you know, schools of that I rather be cut than torn, but. Holy shit.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I mean, it was not. It was not.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it's not cute.

[Harry Hamlin]

But then he said, he said, harry, you're. You're up. And I was like, what? Yeah, it was time for me to pull the kid out, you know, And I said, well, but I don't have any gloves on. And he said, come on, you're the dad. You don't need any gloves. So I reached in and pulled her out. Pulled her out and.

[Lisa Rinna]

And looked down.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, she was still attached with the umbilical cord. And as slimy as she was, I pulled her out, she was covered with the burnt. Cool.

[Lisa Rinna]

I wonder how many men can say this. I don't think it's. I don't think it's pretty normal. I think it's.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, I've talked to a few men about doing it and I've advised them, too, because the bond that you get between you and the kid and you and your wife, by the way, I mean, yeah, it's very. Okay. So, yeah, I'm down there. It's very intimidating because a lot of.

[Lisa Rinna]

People say, don't go down there. They say, I've kept my husband. I don't want him looking down there because then he'll never want to fuck me again. A lot of people like you. Well, trust me, it's not a great view for a man, really.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, it took a while to get through that, but. No, it's part of life. I mean, it's the cycle of life.

[Lisa Rinna]

It did make us very close. I do remember that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And to this day, I mean, and with the girls, because I've delivered both girls and, you know, I think I have an extra special bond. Amelia.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you? Because of it?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, yeah, of course. I mean, Amelia's first natural act was when I pulled her out was to pee all over me. The very first thing she did in life was to pee all over her father.

[Lisa Rinna]

And Delilah came out screaming. And Amelia came out quiet.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Silent. Not a peep. I thought she was dead.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, when I pulled. I pulled Delilah out and I looked down and I saw the most horrific thing I have ever seen. That we gave birth to a monster. I mean, her head was shaped like a banana. And I thought, we have given birth to the flying purple people eater, because she was covered with Vernix. She was all purple and all this gooey stuff, and her head looked like she was from outer space.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I'm just up here, like.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I thought, oh, my God, I can't tell. Lisa. We've given birth to a deformed child. And my heart started beating, and I was like, what am I going to say? How am I to say this? I almost said, oh, my God, Lisa, don't look.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm glad you acted your pants off. Harry Hamlin, the nurse came in and.

[Harry Hamlin]

Said, oh, here, put this hat on. She put a little cap on.

[Lisa Rinna]

She knew instantly.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, she knew what was going on. And so you never saw it?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I saw the hat. I mean, I never paid any attention. No, I didn't.

[Harry Hamlin]

You never saw how deformed she was when she came out. I mean, she looked like something from another planet.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, I did not think of it.

[Harry Hamlin]

And so we put her on your breast, and she immediately started to breastfeed. And she breastfed on one breast, and she was so hungry. And we cut the cord first, then we put her on your belly. Maybe she was still attached. I forget. And then she was so voraciously hungry that she forgot to breathe, and she started to turn a little dusky. And the nurses went nuts.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, they ripped her off.

[Harry Hamlin]

Ripped her off and put her on oxygen. And all these bells and whistles went off and everything.

[Lisa Rinna]

Scary. She's scary.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then we took her down and gave her a bath. And I gave her the first bath.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Cause we had a birth plan. We were very stringent, and we said, you can't take her from the room. You have to leave her in the room. Remember? They fought us on that. They would like to take them out of the room, go clean them, and then bring them back all cute. And we said, no, you have to do it all in the room. Remember? Because that's what the doula told us. You want to have that connection and.

[Harry Hamlin]

Leave the vernix on for 20 minutes.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then rub it into their sleep because it's better for them. Those nurses want to take that vernix off so fast, they want to bathe them. And we had to fight for that. Remember, you were, like, holding them off like this.

[Harry Hamlin]

I straight armed the nurse who kept coming in to take her away.

[Lisa Rinna]

She wanted that Vernon off.

[Harry Hamlin]

I kept straight arming her, and finally they gave up and they said, okay, you can do what you want because.

[Lisa Rinna]

It'S good for their skin to rub that stuff in Vernix.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's so they say, vernon, the vernix is good. And then to have them breastfeed right away gives a connection to the mother.

[Lisa Rinna]

You did not let her Leave the room.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, I mean, they've given. They've done so many baby moments that they know what they're doing. And they could have taken her away would. It would have been completely inconsequential, I'm sure. But.

[Lisa Rinna]

And nevertheless, anyway, they like to. They like their rules. They like to follow their rules because then they don't get sued for malpractice or whatever. I get it. But we fought them.

[Harry Hamlin]

You strongart them, and we won that battle. So. Yeah. And now. And so then once the kid is born, then it's like, what do you deal with that? We went home from the hospital and we had hired a baby nurse from Ireland, and she had a thick nurse.

[Lisa Rinna]

She made us go and buy her so much food. I remember that she had a list.

[Harry Hamlin]

A list of all the kinds of.

[Lisa Rinna]

Teas, all the Irishy things that she needed. Like, we spent a lot on Irish stuff.

[Harry Hamlin]

Irish food, Irish tea, Irish drinks, Irish this, Irish that. And we get home and we've set up the room for her, the nursery for her, and we've got a changing table.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, the nursery is for Delilah and for us, but she happened to be in there. So we didn't set it up for her.

[Harry Hamlin]

She set it up for Delilah.

[Lisa Rinna]

She happened to live in there while she was there.

[Harry Hamlin]

We set the room up for Delilah, not for the nurse. No, but. So it was all set up. And I'll never forget, she was in with the baby, in with Delilah at the changing table. And I walked into the room, and there this woman had Delilah in her hands, with her hands.

[Lisa Rinna]

And she's like a day old, like, just at home.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And she's shaking this newborn, and Delilah's crying as babies do, and the nurse is shaking her, going, don't cry, don't cry. Don't cry. Don't cry. With an Irish accent. And she's shaking the baby. And I went, excuse me, stop it. And she goes, no, I don't want her to cry. And I said, you're fired.

[Lisa Rinna]

You called her a cab.

[Harry Hamlin]

I fired her on the spot and called her cab. She demanded that we pay her the money that we. The thousands of dollars that we had were gonna pay her. She said she wouldn't leave until we paid her.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was $6,000. I'll never forget it.

[Harry Hamlin]

$6,000. And she was there for less than an hour, and she demanded that we pay her all the money. I said, get the fuck out of here. I don't care whether I have to pay you $10,000. I want you out of my house now.

[Lisa Rinna]

And we ended up with all that food that I don't even know.

[Harry Hamlin]

We probably still have it. It's probably still in some cupboard somewhere. And we put her in a cab and that was that. But then we had to deal with it ourselves. We didn't have a baby nurse.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, we got Lois. Lois came. Lois was there. And Lois saved the day. She did. Now, listen, most human beings don't have baby nurses. We were very fortunate. Plus, all of our friends said, you have to have a baby nurse. You have to. And you kind of always go with what your friends say, right? So, yeah, we were fancy and spoiled and we got a baby nurse, and then we fired her and paid her $6,000 and we did. We should have fought her and we should not have paid her, but we did, and we never got the money back. I just wanted to get out the toilet.

[Harry Hamlin]

I wanted her to get out of the house.

[Lisa Rinna]

And $6,000, 26 years ago was a lot of money.

[Harry Hamlin]

And. And, yeah, I mean, it wasn't. It was not an easy thing to do, but I could not have a person shaking a newborn while that happened.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, horrible. Are you kidding me? Horrible.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't know where she went after that, but we back to Ireland. You know, you have a little baby, and we had a beach house at the time. And because of Melrose Place, we got in that house at the beach.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we.

[Lisa Rinna]

Beautiful.

[Harry Hamlin]

She had her first few months, she had a horrible colic.

[Lisa Rinna]

Horrible.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think to this day she still has colic.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, she had horrible colic. I had horrible postpartum depression, but I didn't know it. I didn't know what it was because, you know, when you have your first baby, you don't know. You don't. You just don't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, I think most women get postpartum depression. I mean, I know that the women, my brother's wives, all had it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, and now that I've talked to your relatives, both of them, two of your relatives were sent to the funny farm, basically.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Crazy, crazy loon tune places because of their postpartum depression.

[Harry Hamlin]

Exactly. Yeah. My brother's wife, Nancy, she was hospitalized because of it. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did they know what it was or did they just think she was crazy?

[Harry Hamlin]

They thought she was crazy. They didn't know it was postpartum. And she was institutionalized, both. For both kids that she had.

[Lisa Rinna]

And so was your cousin. Yes, she told me about it. She told me herself. She was like, oh, yeah, they put me in fucking Funny Farm.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I'll never forget, after Amelia was born, we were at the cabin in Canada. We went to a movie one day in Bracebridge. And you said, I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did I say that to you?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yes. And I said, you better call Howie.

[Lisa Rinna]

Howie right now.

[Harry Hamlin]

And we were sitting outside the theater.

[Lisa Rinna]

Are you sure I said that?

[Harry Hamlin]

You said, you better watch out. I feel like killing you. He said, keep the knives in a drawer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I was having these horrible visions. It's true. I was having horrible hallucinations of killing people and I needed to take the knives out of the house. And I also had horrible visions of driving the car into a brick wall. Not. I did not have horrible visions about hurting the baby in any way, shape or form. It wasn't about that. It was about hopelessness, darkest depression, and these horrible visions, hallucinations. And it was the knives, and it was driving the car into a brick wall.

[Harry Hamlin]

So at that moment, I said, you better call Howie right now. You were on the east coast, he's on the west coast. You called him, you got him on the phone somehow, and he immediately prescribed some drug for you.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know why he prescribed. It was Prozac, but it was like a female version of Prozac. It was like Seraphim, I think it was called.

[Harry Hamlin]

And how did that work for you?

[Lisa Rinna]

It worked. Instantly changed the whole thing, really? Oh, it changed the game instantly. He knew exactly. He heard me. He goes, I'm on it. And he had to FedEx it because we're in Canada. And then it doesn't kick in for like three weeks. So it was still a fucking nightmare challenge up there. Like, you can't believe him. Here we are on an island with a baby and a 3 year old. I was out of my mind. Out of my mind. But cut to before that with Delilah. I had postpartum for 15 months and didn't do anything about it. Didn't know I had it. Didn't know what to do. I didn't have the same visions that time that I had the second time with the first.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. How did it manifest itself the first time?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, God, I was just. Hopeless. That's the word.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really.

[Lisa Rinna]

Hopeless. Remember you wanted me to go to a party and I couldn't get out of bed and I couldn't go. You couldn't figure out, like, why. You were like, why are you afraid of these people? Why wouldn't you go to this party? I was just absolutely hopeless. Like a huge dark cloud all over Me, I don't know how to describe it, because mine didn't manifest itself towards the baby at all. It was towards me. I would say, looking back, I was completely psychotic.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so, you know, if. Yeah, if a woman happened to be running things, let's say, as president or something like that, and they had a kid and they had postpartum depression. So this is getting back to our conversation about whether, you know, women should be running things.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, then I think if you're gonna go down that road, because then it becomes this weird double standard of, like, well, you can't really be who you are because we can't really trust you because all of a sudden you've just gone psychotic. How about helping us? How about we go to. Why don't we help you women go through this and we help you fix it? Not, oh, my God, you can't then run the country because you'll set off the bomb. We can't trust you. I don't like that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, yeah, I mean, look, it's a hypothetical question. Well, on the other hand, we are talking about how hormones have a tremendous effect.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, okay, so then maybe there's a term limit on. If you're gonna run for president as a woman, you have to have gone through menopause if you need that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, well, I don't know, but I think the bigger. A conversation for another day.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but I think the bigger issue is having health care deal with women's postpartum depression. It's like a bad taboo. It's shameful. You feel shame.

[Harry Hamlin]

What about when Tom Cruise came out and said that women should never take drugs for that, you know?

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, women should never. No one should take antidepressants, period.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

And remember, Brooke Shields came out and, like, clapped back at him because she also suffered from postpartum depression.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I don't think a man can say anything about that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Are you kidding?

[Harry Hamlin]

We have no. Absolutely no leverage in that area.

[Lisa Rinna]

You can't. And by the way, when I finally. The second time around six weeks in, when I said I was gonna kill you, I guess, and you told me to call Howie, once I took the antidepressant, it reset my clock. So not only did it take away the postpartum depression, but it, like, recalibrated me. And I've never. I've never had depression since then. I mean, I've been depressed and blue and whatever. I've never had that kind of depression since that time. And I.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you don't take an antidepressant Now.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't believe that.

[Harry Hamlin]

And that, like every other woman on your show, takes antidepressants.

[Lisa Rinna]

I was one of the only people on that show that didn't take. And I'm not outing people. Some maybe didn't. But listen, to do that show and not be on an antidepressant was probably really stupid. But I feel like when I had my antidepressant in that moment, it reset my clock somehow. So I am forever grateful. I would listen. If I needed to be on an antidepressant tomorrow, I would do it in a second. And the fact that I haven't had 2 cents for 23 years, I feel very lucky.

[Harry Hamlin]

Could it have something to do with the relationship in your life? You know, with a good relationship, great husband, super helpful, the really great guy that you see every day and sleep with?

[Lisa Rinna]

I do think that's super helpful, but I think a lot of it is chemical. And people get depressed because of their chemical makeup. Not necessarily because.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I suppose there's a lot of truth to that.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that's just an alleged. I don't know, because remember, I'm not a doctor and I've never played one on tv, so you can't really, you know, these are things I'm talking about that I've been through and what worked for me. But listen, I don't think any woman should suffer or have to suffer going through postpartum depression. And I know a lot do, and I know a lot do in silence.

[Harry Hamlin]

A woman is.

[Lisa Rinna]

You thought I was fucking crazy. Admit it. You and my mom were like, what the fuck is wrong with her? You did well.

[Harry Hamlin]

But it didn't create a narcissistic injury for either of the kids, you know, because what can happen is we don't.

[Lisa Rinna]

Know that for a fact.

[Harry Hamlin]

If a woman has postpartum and is really not present when they're dealing with their infant child.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but you're not.

[Harry Hamlin]

If you don't look at your child. It's called the look. If the look between the mother and the baby is off, the baby can suffer this horrible narcissistic injury, have postpartum depressant.

[Lisa Rinna]

Who knows what you're given?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I think. But you were. The kids are good, you know, so I don't think you messed them up.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, not too much, but, you know, I don't know. I mean, that's the. That's the whole conundrum of it all. You know, you want to be there. You want to make that connection. You want to be a good mother. And if you have that chemical imbalance, because Howie described it to me, it's like your hormones are at 3,000 and they drop to zero, and your body absolutely goes into some kind of a weird, like, shock.

[Harry Hamlin]

Absolutely. I think it must happen to everybody to one degree or another.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, and some are very lucky and they get very, very little of it. But I think most people, women, if you did a poll, they probably have experienced it at least a little bit.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then with both of the kids, we saved their cord blood.

[Lisa Rinna]

We did. I wonder, do you think it's still around in some freezer?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, we get a bill from time to time from the cord blood register.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because they're stem cells. I wonder if someday you can, like, shoot it in and, you know, makes you live forever or, like, put on your face.

[Harry Hamlin]

You'd like to put it on your face.

[Lisa Rinna]

Of course. Duh. But I mean, it's still somewhere, you think, for sure.

[Harry Hamlin]

The cord blood registry. And both of the kids, we have it there. And it's in the event that they need some stem cells or they need some kind of therapy, you know, bone marrow.

[Lisa Rinna]

And we just told them about it, actually. They didn't know they had it.

[Harry Hamlin]

They knew. And we need to make sure that they have access to that, to the cord blood.

[Lisa Rinna]

So let's. Let's work on that.

[Harry Hamlin]

We will work on that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let's follow up on the cord blood and make sure it's there so they can access it. That's very good.

[Harry Hamlin]

So then, you know, you have these kids, you have babies and you have, you know, nannies or whatever you have to take. You have to feed the kids.

[Lisa Rinna]

Most people don't. Most people.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, whatever. You have to figure out how to get through the first couple of years.

[Lisa Rinna]

So, like, let's not be, like, so fancy. We're very blessed. We had help. We were able to afford help. Most people can't or don't.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, a little bit of help. You know, we had your mom.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think it takes a village.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm glad I had it. But then you got to figure out, what do you do next? Nursery school. I mean, that in and of itself is a huge preschool. Preschool. I mean, yeah, it's like, to get them into the right nursery school, it's like getting them into an Ivy League school.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but we live in la. It's so zhuzhy. Like, if we had the kids in Medford, Oregon, they just go to the preschool at church or whatever, and then they just go to public school. And the end, you live In LA and you're all fancy and you're celebrities or whatever, and you think, oh, my God, we gotta send them to, like, a special fancy preschool and a special fancy grade school. And do you know how much money we spent educating those children? Do you have any idea?

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm gonna send them the bill.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you have any idea? No. They don't get the bill sent. But if you think about it, I wish we'd just sent them to public school because I don't think it would have made that much of a difference.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I don't. Look, no, we sent our kids to great schools.

[Lisa Rinna]

They did good. Great schools.

[Harry Hamlin]

They went to granola schools that taught them how to be human beings. They didn't teach them math and reading so much, but they taught them how to be human.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's true.

[Harry Hamlin]

And that, I think, was the greatest gift we could ever have given not only our kids, but ourselves. You're right, because they came out of those schools.

[Lisa Rinna]

I agree.

[Harry Hamlin]

Understanding what it's like to be a human being.

[Lisa Rinna]

Westland School, I'm going to say it. It's been around for 75 years. Westland School was the best money I've.

[Harry Hamlin]

Spent that we've spent, absolutely 100%. Did they come out, you know, knowing how to do long division? No. But they came out knowing how to be good humans.

[Lisa Rinna]

They eventually learned how to read. They eventually. Because it's a progressive school, so they don't learn like a regular school. They learn by doing.

[Harry Hamlin]

By doing. They learn by doing.

[Lisa Rinna]

So you're doing things, learning the math, you're doing things that are helping learn reading, but you're not learning to read and learning to do math. So it's a little bit of a roundabout way, but they turn out to be really good people.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I mean, they're really, really good people.

[Lisa Rinna]

They're good people. So that was money well spent, truly.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think so. I mean, most schools, I mean, I certainly was not taught anything about what it's like to be human. I was taught math and English and foreign language or something like that. Same, but, you know, same. Nobody said, you know, this is how to be. Deal with your fellow students by listening to them and being empathetic. And that's the one thing they came away with.

[Lisa Rinna]

They're empathetic. They are empathetic humans. It's true.

[Harry Hamlin]

I think that's really, really important. I would much rather have my kid be empathetic than know how to do long division.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you're lucky, because that's what you call it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I haven't done long division in 50 years.

[Lisa Rinna]

Why would you. You have a calculator now.

[Harry Hamlin]

We have calculators. Back when I was in school, he didn't have calculus.

[Lisa Rinna]

I was so bad in math.

[Harry Hamlin]

We had slide rules.

[Lisa Rinna]

So did we. I was so bad in math, I couldn't even do algebra. I didn't even go past algebra.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you know, we're very similar in that way.

[Lisa Rinna]

Lucky I'm Q.

[Harry Hamlin]

Anyway, everybody, thanks for listening. Yeah, okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thanks for listening. Did you. Your voice went up like, thanks for listening. Were you trying to sell it?

[Harry Hamlin]

My radio voice?

[Lisa Rinna]

You went, thanks for listening. How about just thanks for listening?

[Harry Hamlin]

How about that? Thanks for listening, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in.

[Lisa Rinna]

Woo. Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[Harry Hamlin]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm HarryRhamlin on Instagram.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So see you next week.

[Lisa Rinna]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.