Sexiest Men Alive: Harry Hamlin's Words of Wisdom to Jonathan Bailey

Summary

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Let's Not Talk About The Husband

Episode: Sexiest Men Alive: Harry Hamlin's Words of Wisdom to Jonathan Bailey
Hosts: Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin
Date: November 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively, candid, and often hilarious episode, Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin, iconic Hollywood couple, reflect on decades of fame, marriage, and the quirky, competitive world of "sexiest men alive." The show weaves together behind-the-scenes industry stories, marital banter, shopping confessions, charity talk, and a memorable quiz segment about People Magazine’s "Sexiest Man Alive" title—culminating in Harry’s advice for this year’s honoree, Jonathan Bailey.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Fashion, Freezers, and Shopping Confessions

00:34–08:26

• Cashmere in the Freezer: Lisa reveals her new German Dewey Cashmere sweater needs 48 hours in the freezer (she left it a week), sparking Harry’s confusion:

  “I went to get the dog food out... and there’s this black and sort of pink thing... what the fuck is that in the freezer?” (01:01 – Harry)

• Charity Event Recap: They attended a Michael Kors-hosted event for Project Angel Food (provides meals to LA’s sick and elderly), with 20% of sales going to charity. Lisa bought sunglasses for the cause, leading to playful marital jabs about her accessory obsession:

  “You would not believe the number of sunglasses... there’s a place in every room... hundreds of pairs...” (06:17 – Harry) “You’re lucky. I’m very low maintenance. You could’ve been stuck... with some divas that would have cost you 20 million more dollars than I cost you.” (24:38 – Lisa)

• Hermès Bags as Investment: Lisa counsels on luxury bags’ investment value, wryly comparing herself to other Real Housewives.

2. Marriage Chronicles & Birthday Mayhem

08:26–13:33

• A Typical Rinna-Hamlin Day: Lisa recounts the frenetic birthday schedule—workout, shopping for charity, dinner, and catching a red-eye to NYC for a parade float as Elizabeth Taylor.

  “We went out for my birthday… and she had to take her Michael Kors dress off in the car… and throws the black suit onto the floor of my car.” (09:04 – Harry) “You couldn’t have hung it up?” (12:28 – Lisa)

3. Reflections on “Sexiest Man Alive”

13:33–19:41

• Sexiest Man Alive Quiz: Lisa and their producer Daniel quiz Harry on the history of People magazine’s "Sexiest Man Alive"—Harry was named in 1987.
  • Notable Questions/Answers:
    • Predecessors: Mark Harmon and Mel Gibson (15:46)
    • 1988: John Kennedy Jr. (16:11)
    • First Sexiest Couple: Cindy Crawford & Richard Gere (16:37)
    • Four repeat winners: Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Johnny Depp, Richard Gere (16:58–18:12)
• Advice to Jonathan Bailey (2025 Honoree):

  “Roll around in it, Jonathan. Enjoy it, love it, because unless you’re one of those four guys, it only comes around once!” (19:11 – Harry) “If you want to get it twice, you’re going to have to work really hard and be really sexy.” (19:33 – Harry)

4. Food, Family, and Marital Therapy

19:43–26:55

• Thanksgiving Traditions & Cooking: Harry laments his lack of turkey-cooking passion; Lisa loves a turkey and cranberry sandwich, revealing—after decades—her sandwich passion.

  “I love a sandwich. I will tell you.” (20:49 – Lisa) “Why am I just learning this after 30 some odd years?” (22:59 – Harry)

• Marital Finances & Fights: The couple humorously unpacks their only recurring argument: Lisa’s shopping.

  “The only thing Harry and I ever fight about... is my shopping and money. It’s true.” (25:29 – Lisa)

• True Crime Obsession: Lisa’s fascination with Dateline and 48 Hours prompts a playful exchange on murder dreams and the psychology of crime:

  “I just don’t know why they don’t just get divorced. That’s always my question. Why do you have to kill them?” (27:12 – Lisa) “Maybe divorce doesn’t satisfy that need... to hijack your amygdala.” (27:19 – Harry)

5. Dreams, Stage Fright, and the Actor’s Journey

26:55–36:38

• Bad Dreams & Stage Anxiety: They share stories of waking from horrific dreams and the terror of forgetting lines on stage or on "Dancing with the Stars."

  “I have this sinking feeling—life as I know it is over.” (28:32 – Lisa) “It happens to me every time... especially opening night.” (29:42 – Harry)

• Life After Dancing with the Stars: Both say the show was transformative for confidence and careers.

  “It gave me so much. It got my mojo back. It gave me courage, pure joy... one of the greatest times of my life.” (31:46 – Lisa) “The only reason I wanted to do [DWTS] after you... is because I saw it woke you up.” (31:34 – Harry)

6. Contrasting Hollywood Journeys

36:38–37:08

• Different Paths, Same Team: Harry admits his early career was handed to him, while Lisa had to hustle for everything—offering listeners a candid look at two very different Hollywood experiences.

  “No one has ever given me this career... I have worked very hard.” (33:03 – Lisa) “I always wanted to just work on the stage... I didn’t even want to make movies.” (33:52 – Harry)

• Delightfully, their mutual support and admiration shine through.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I went to get the dog food out of the freezer and I saw that in the freezer, and I go, what the fuck? What is that in the freezer?”
  — Harry, 01:01 (on Lisa’s sweater storage)

• “You’re lucky. I’m a very low-maintenance...you could’ve been stuck with some divas that would have cost you 20 million more dollars than I cost you.”
  — Lisa, 24:38

• “Heavy is the head that wears the sexiest crown… do you have any words for Jonathan Bailey?”
  — Daniel, 19:04

• “Just roll around in it, Jonathan. Roll around in it, enjoy it, love it… it only comes around once.”
  — Harry, 19:11

• “The only thing Harry and I ever fight about, you guys, is my shopping and money.”
  — Lisa, 25:29

• “I always wanted to just work on the stage… [movies] got handed to me—I didn’t even audition for my first movie.”
  — Harry, 33:52

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Segment Timestamps

• Opening Chit-Chat & Cashmere Freezer Talk: 00:34–01:47
• Project Angel Food Charity Event & Michael Kors Shopping: 01:47–09:04
• Birthday Dinner Chaos & Lisa’s NYC Trip: 09:04–13:33
• Sexiest Man Alive Trivia Quiz: 13:33–19:41
• Advice for Jonathan Bailey: 19:04–19:41
• Thanksgiving Talk & Sandwich Obsessions: 19:41–23:40
• Food Waste, Shopping, and Marital Therapy: 23:40–26:55
• True Crime Fascination and Murder Dreams: 26:55–29:42
• Stage Fright, Dreams & Dancing with the Stars: 29:42–36:38
• Career Reflections & Hustle vs. Handed Roles: 36:38–37:08

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

The episode is a quintessential Hamlin-Rinna mash-up: sharp wit, competing stories, raw honesty, and a marriage that finds humor and admiration in their differences. From confessions about shopping habits and sandwich cravings, to poignant career reflections and gleeful pokes at each other’s egos, Lisa and Harry create a podcast that blends glitz, domestic drama, wisdom, and plenty of laughter—leaving listeners feeling like insiders in their home and hearts.

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Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[B]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[A]

And this is. Let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[B]

We've been together for over 30 years and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[A]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell. And on this podcast, we're gonna own it, baby.

[B]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Welcome back to let's not Talk About Me, the husband.

[A]

Here we are.

[B]

We are. Yeah. Okay, what's happening?

[A]

Well, I've got this sweater that I wanted to share that the. This woman on Instagram. Dewey. Dewey. Cashmere from Germany. It is so soft and delicious. Anyway, she sent it to me and I was like, oh, I love it. It's. I love cashmere. So they. She sent me like a cape and this and she said, but you need to put it in the freezer, right? For 48 hours.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Because I saw that. I went to get the dog food out of the freezer and I saw that in the freezer, and I go, what the fuck? Well, is that in the freezer?

[A]

I had forgotten that it was in the freezer. So I left it there for a week. Not 48 hours, for a week. And all of a sudden, one day I was walking along, I go, oh, my God, the cashmere sweater's in the freezer still. So I went and got it and luckily it's.

[B]

Wait a minute, what's the point of freezing the cashmere?

[A]

Well, that's a good question.

[B]

To keep it fresh or something.

[A]

Clearly it's like a hand knit cashmere sweater. I just did what I was told. I don't know exactly why, because I didn't ask her why.

[B]

I just did it maybe to kill some bugs or something or some bacteria.

[A]

Maybe set it in a certain way. I don't know. It came from Germany and it's delicious.

[B]

I went out to get the dog food for the dog, which we keep in the freezer. And. And there's this. I couldn't tell what it was. I could just see there was this black and sort of pink thing. And. And it was.

[A]

I go, hilarious. Right? Hilarious.

[B]

Well, anyway, it looks good on you. And if it feels good, that's even better, right?

[A]

And then more merch. I'm wearing my hat from the.

[B]

And free is medium merch. Better, better, Better.

[A]

And I'm cozy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's that for me.

[B]

And you're cute. Okay.

[A]

I'm. All right.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I've got my Michael Kors, glasses on. We had a lovely event last week for Project Angel Food, and Michael Kors hosted at his store. And 20 of all sales that day.

[B]

Went to Project Angel Food, which is an extraordinary local charity here in la, where they make and deliver medically appropriate meals. Right. So. And they deliver them to like a thousand people a day, maybe I think.

[A]

1500 or 2000 people a day.

[B]

Big operation and getting bigger all the time because people in LA are supporting it. And right now, because of all the bullshit that's going on in the government, you know, and the, and people not being fed and the snap, all that stuff going away, blah, blah, blah, food banks, which. And this is essentially a food bank. It serves meals, but it's essentially a food bank. You know, they're on fire right now. I mean, there are lines around, around. I mean, miles of lines waiting, people waiting to get food. I mean, it's amazing. And that's why my sauce company, Open Food Company, and by the way, my sauce is still at Gelson's in California. If you're, if you're in California, Kelson's is the place to go to get Harry's Famous sauce. Harry's Famous, which is the open food company. We support food banks.

[A]

You know, the one in New York.

[B]

Yeah, we. A certain percentage of our profits are going to go to the food bank for New York City, Louisiana Regional Food bank, the Project Angel Food. Angel Food and the local food bank in Gloucester with the Open Door. So, yeah, those, those four charities are going to get some dough.

[A]

And do you know that Project Angel Food was started by Marianne Williamson during the AIDS crisis? Yes.

[B]

I did not know.

[A]

Marianne didn't know that. I didn't think you knew it. But Richard, who runs all of Project Angel Food, came to the Michael Kors event and, and he got up and said a little something and he mentioned that. And I thought, wow, people need to know that.

[B]

They do. You know, she's an amazing person and in many ways she was very. I got to know her. I know you did enough back in the day before I met you, right around the time that I met you. And she encouraged me to, to follow through on, on my friendship with you, which is now a marriage and all. Yeah, I told her about you, Ms. Marianne. Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, no, she's great. And I thought, wow, I didn't know that that was started during the AIDS crisis. And then, of course, now it's people with, you know, heart disease, cancer, elderly that, you know, can't leave their homes. And it's amazing. What they do. It was just really great to get together with Isaac Boots came into town. Okay, so picture this Rodeo Drive Michael Kors store. We did a torch class in the store, so they cleared out whatever in the middle, so it was kind of heaven for me.

[B]

So it was closed, was it not?

[A]

Store's closed. And I am literally, like, doing my torched class, doing my leg lifts next to this bag that is so gorgeous.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

I'm like, you know, because of the way I'm on the floor with my leg up. I'm looking at this bag going, ah. God. I mean, in this. Michael Kors has so many gorgeous things. It was kind of torturous for me, in a way, to be doing this exercise class in the middle of the most gorgeous clothing and purses and things.

[B]

Really? And were you tempted?

[A]

I did buy some sunglasses.

[B]

Did you buy? You bought?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

You bought.

[A]

Well, of course I did, because it went to Project Angel Food.

[B]

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[A]

So I bought a pair of sunglasses that 20%.

[B]

You don't have any sunglasses yet, do you?

[A]

I mean, I like sunglasses and shoes. And Robin and I. Robin Fujimoto, who's on the board of Project Angel Food, we both bought a pair of sunglasses because, you know, I feel like it's great to bring.

[B]

Because you need another pair of sunglasses, right? I mean, not only do we. You were doing a charitable thing, it's great to really need some sunglasses. Because you don't have any sunglasses, do you?

[A]

It's great, I think, to walk the walk and talk the talk so you can host.

[B]

You would not believe the number of sunglasses. There are sunglasses in every room of the house. There's a place in every room of the house that has 15 or 20 pairs of sunglasses stuck away, just so you know. I mean, hundreds of pairs of sunglasses.

[A]

You have hundreds more, probably more.

[B]

But you needed another one, clearly.

[A]

Well, here's the thing. I really, truly believe that if you're doing a charity event and you're walking the walk, you have to participate. I'm not just there to bring people.

[B]

In, especially if you really needed something, like the excitement.

[A]

I don't ever need anything, Harry, and you know that. So don't give me any more shit about it. I'm gonna come kill you. Ugh. I shop.

[B]

Then you'd be lonely.

[A]

I buy things. And I did that for charity.

[B]

Okay? So, no, I'm happy about it.

[A]

Sit right down.

[B]

And I'm happy about it.

[A]

Shut your mouth.

[B]

Because she needed a new pair of sunglasses, you know?

[A]

Okay. I have a lot of Sunglasses, a lot of coats. I'm going to just break.

[B]

How many bags do you have? How many shoes do you have? Okay.

[A]

Okay. So accessory heavy. I'm accessory heavy. I do not have a lot of jewelry. You could really be on so many levels, Harry.

[B]

The reason you don't have jewelry because you don't have a husband who gives you.

[A]

You could be really. If I was like a jewelry. Jewelry lover or a Hermes bag fiend. Like, Kyle Richards is not an Hermes bag fiend. No, I have two. I have two of them. Oh, that's very.

[B]

Do you have to have to become a fiend?

[A]

They have like 20 or more. They have a lot of Hermes bags.

[B]

Of course. They're an investment, right?

[A]

They are an investment.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Hard to find.

[A]

You heard that. Well, they're impossible to get, but there is as good of an investment as gold and art right now.

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

It's true.

[B]

So I guess we should get more.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And you have great taste too, so I have to say that. Yes. I'm sure the sunglasses that you bought are not only great for the charity, but I'm sure they're really good.

[A]

Well, they're very cool. I mean, of course, they're Michael Kors. These. I love Michael Kors glasses.

[B]

Are those Michael Kors?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

I, you know, when I go and do his fat. I go to sit in his fashion shows. They send you clothes to wear.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

So I always get a pair of glasses as sort of my souvenir. So I've. I've accumulated a few pairs of Michael Kors sunglasses and glasses. And they're my favorite. They really are.

[B]

Now, was it Michael Kors the other day when of my birthday? Was that a Michael?

[A]

That was all Michael Kors Michael. We're all wearing Michael Kors.

[B]

And she got. She got mad at me because she had to take her Michael Kors dress off in the car.

[A]

It was a suit because she.

[B]

Because she had to fly to New York.

[A]

This is true. I did get mad at you. This is wifey and husband stuff, you know, Here we go.

[B]

We went out. We went out to dinner for my birthday.

[A]

Well, this was the Michael Kors day. So let's start in the beginning of the day. I go do the workout at Michael Kors. And then we have the whole project angel food shopping event from 4 to 6. So the whole day was this.

[B]

This is my birthday day. Right.

[A]

And then. And Isaac's birthday. So you both had a birthday. So then we went to the bungalows for dinner.

[B]

That's right. But Lisa had to catch the red eye to New York.

[A]

Then I had to catch the red eye to go ride on the Halloween parade for the Frankie Shop in New York.

[B]

I know.

[A]

So you saw me as Elizabeth Taylor. It was very last minute. I wasn't gonna dress up for Halloween. And then the float was Elizabeth Taylor's birthday cake that she'd gotten. And I don't know what year exactly. The float was the shape of a cake.

[B]

Oh, oh, okay. So.

[A]

And so we all dressed up as Elizabeth Taylor. So there was like a bunch of us. So I had to do that quick.

[B]

So she had to get undressed and dress. She had dressed.

[A]

Wait, wait, I'm taking the red eye. I don't want to wear my Michael Kors fabulous suit. I want to put my sweatpants on. My baa. Sweatpants.

[B]

And she's got no time. I mean, we're at the dinner and she's got to leave by 9 o'. Clock. And so. And I was having fun, she's having a good time. And I'm saying, you gotta get out of here. You gotta. So I hustle her out, put her into my car, where she changes out of her suit and throws the black suit onto the floor of my car, the brown suit.

[A]

But who's looking dark enough?

[B]

Dark, dark. I mean, dark, dark suit. Throws it on the floor.

[A]

Boots, I had high boots up to here.

[B]

And then gets in the car and goes to New York and this outfit is so dark it's on the floor of my car that I don't even see it.

[A]

No. Except none. You know, I said, you'll put this in the house for me? You'll hang it for me? Yes, yes. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

[B]

Yeah. It's not even yours to begin with. It was Michael Kors, right? But it was on the floor of my car. I couldn't see it. And I went around for two days driving around the car, thinking that there was not anything else in it because I couldn't see it.

[A]

So I get home. Now listen, when you take a red eye and you're my age, it's fine, but you know, it's only four hours, four and a half hours to New York from la. So you're not really sleeping, right? You're not really. I tried, but I didn't sleep a lot. So I got there and I slept. But still, it takes it out of you to fly to New York on a red eye, get on a float, go through the West Village, party and dance on top of a float, dancing to Vogue and All the, you know, all the drag queens are on the boat.

[B]

One percent problem. I'm sorry.

[A]

But anyway, great time.

[B]

Sound like a real big problem. Problem.

[A]

Screaming and yelling and being first class to New York.

[B]

It was such a. I had to go. And then I had to sit on a float and be adored by all the people and.

[A]

Oh, really fun.

[B]

Fly back in first class.

[A]

I fly back in one day. So I'm in New York for one day. No pity party here. But just, just like, you know, it's a lot on me after. It's a lot. It is. Okay, shut up. Anyway, I get home. This is just. The moral of the story is if I have a situation like that and I come home and I get in the car, my crumpled Michael Kors suit and everything is still on the floor of your car.

[B]

Because I couldn't see it. I mean, I knew it was there at first, but I didn't.

[A]

I was like, you couldn't have hung up.

[B]

I'm just such a bad boy. I've been a bad boy.

[A]

I was. You got scolded for that? I was like, I can't even believe you didn't even pick that up and hang it up.

[B]

Well, yeah, I totally forgot it was there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So there you go.

[A]

Couldn't see it anyway.

[B]

But it was a great birthday party. Thank you for, you know.

[A]

We had fun.

[B]

We had fun. It was a birthday. I was able to come back down from Vancouver for my birthday, so I was very happy about that and I was able to be with the kids and everything. And we're going to do it again tonight.

[A]

We are. We're going to go and have another. Sometimes I think birthdays should go on for a week anyway.

[B]

Do you?

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

Well, that trip around the sun takes 365 days. Why not have it take all year?

[A]

And you're wearing a beautiful cashmere sweater that Delilah Bell picked out for you. Really chic James purse.

[B]

Very, very soft, too.

[A]

You got two really nice cashmere sweaters. No, we take very good care of you.

[B]

I'm not complaining.

[A]

No, we take really good care of you.

[B]

And then I'm back up to. To work this weekend and probably won't take the dog with me because right.

[A]

Back you keep coming back and forth and back and forth, back and forth. But we've got the Sexiest Man Alive came out.

[B]

The Sexiest Man Alive cover doesn't come out the same time every year.

[C]

It does.

[A]

Does.

[B]

Well, but.

[A]

So in 1987, you were the Sexiest.

[B]

Man Alive, but it came out in, like, May or.

[A]

Well, they've probably changed it since then. That was 100 fucking years ago at this point.

[B]

A hundred years ago. Did you want to ask me some questions about that, Daniel? Because.

[C]

Absolutely. Wonderful.

[A]

I don't know. I just kind of went right into it, didn't I?

[B]

Yes, you did. You opened that door. You opened the Sexiest Man Alive door, and I guess I'm going to have to go through it.

[A]

Very good at prompting. You know, I used to be so good on Housewives. Eileen and I were so good at this. You know, we'd have these dinners on Housewives, and there'd be, like, a thing you needed to get to. And if it weren't for myself and Eileen, you'd sit there for three fricking hours.

[B]

So you're the Segway Queen.

[A]

We just get it done, Eileen. Even better. Way quicker and better. Like, we would sit down for dinner, and three minutes later she would say, so whatever it was that we needed to talk about.

[B]

Well, I remember. I remember Eileen. She got you in a lot of trouble.

[A]

Did she?

[B]

She got you in a lot of trouble.

[A]

Yeah, we used to get right to it.

[B]

Okay. Anyway, Daniel, do you want to get right to it? Let's get to it. Yeah. Sexiest Man Alive.

[C]

So, Harry, you were dubbed Sexiest Man Alive by people magazine in 1987. I want to do a little quiz with you to see if you know some of the men that you shared the title with.

[B]

Oh, shit. Oh, no. It's not gonna go well. I know right now this is a.

[C]

Team sport, Lisa, so you're more than welcome to help.

[B]

Okay, Lisa. Without Lisa, I'd be.

[A]

You'd be dead dead without me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At this point, you're in the doghouse, slightly over the shopping stuff, and this, my clothes on the floor. But I'll get over it.

[B]

I probably know most of them. I mean, Brad Pitt did it twice, right? And then.

[C]

We'll get to it. We'll get to it.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Okay, hold on.

[A]

Hold your horses there, Harry. Hold on there, Harry.

[C]

Okay, first question. Harry Hamlin, you are the third man in all of history to be named people's Sexiest Man Alive. Two men held the title before you in 1985 and 1986.

[A]

I know.

[C]

Who were these men?

[A]

How did you do it?

[B]

Well, I know one of them was Mark Harmon.

[C]

All right. Ding, ding, ding. And the other.

[A]

Who was the first one?

[B]

Mel Gibson. Yes, Mel Gibson. I got that right. Yeah. How about that? Look at that.

[A]

Great job.

[C]

Question number two. In 1988, one of New York's most eligible bachelors was honored as people's Sexiest Man Alive.

[B]

This I know.

[C]

He was not an actor, but an attorney and a son to one of John Kennedy Jr.

[B]

I know that one.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Okay, two for two. I know. I'm on fire.

[A]

Look at this over here.

[C]

This one's a twofer. In 1993, People magazine made history declaring this couple the first ever Sexiest Couple alive.

[A]

Brad Pitt and Angelina. I don't know this.

[C]

I can give a hint.

[B]

Let's have a hint, because I'm underwater on this one.

[C]

She was a model with an elite history in fashion.

[A]

And he was Cindy Crawford and Richard Gere. Good job. Ding, ding, ding.

[C]

Four men have been named people's Sexiest Man Alive more than once.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

All actors. Let's go through them. Number one. Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, he has been Mr. Smith alongside Angelina Jolie's Mrs. Smith.

[A]

Brad.

[B]

Okay, That's Brad. We know that.

[C]

And then, from dust till dawn, this leading man could make your heart beat so fast, it will send you to the er.

[B]

Clooney.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Number three. Before he was a pirate and the demon barber of Fleet street, this actor was a crybaby.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

And the demon barber of Fleet Street.

[A]

These are not easy clues.

[B]

I saw the original Demon barber of Fleet street on Broadway, but.

[A]

It would be the movie version.

[C]

Yes. His first ever film was the Nightmare on Elm Street.

[A]

Oh, he's not gonna know that.

[C]

Really?

[B]

I've never seen any of those horror movies.

[A]

He's not gonna know that he's also been a pirate.

[B]

From Pirates of the Caribbean.

[A]

Okay, he's also been a pirate.

[B]

Okay, so that would be Johnny Depp. Yeah, Johnny Depp. Okay, good job.

[C]

Last one. Last one.

[A]

I didn't know Johnny Depp was twice.

[B]

I didn't know he was twice either.

[C]

Shall we dance? This actor is renowned for his roles in films like American Gigolo and Primal Fear. He's an officer and a general.

[B]

Richard Gere was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, so he.

[C]

Richard has two 93 and 99.

[B]

Is that right?

[A]

Well, you don't have two.

[B]

I don't have two yet.

[A]

How do you feel about that, Harry?

[B]

Yet?

[A]

I think you could still get one.

[B]

Well, I said work out in the gym a little bit more.

[A]

I think you could still get one. I think we should predict. I think we should prediction for Harry Hamlin to get another Sexiest Man Alive cover in your fricking 70s. I like it. Yes. Where's Craig, your publicist? Get on it. Craig.

[B]

Who's the best plastic surgeon in town.

[A]

Well, you have to ask Kris Jenner that. I think it's Steve Levine in New York. So there you go. We can send you to Steve, fix you up, pull your face back and then we get you another cover.

[C]

Last question to you, Harry. Heavy is the head that wears the sexiest crown. Do you have any words of advice to Jonathan Bailey?

[A]

He's the new one.

[B]

Oh he's the newest, most recent, Just crowned. Just crowned. Oh my God.

[A]

This week.

[B]

I mean, yeah, it's such an amazing honor that one. I mean, yeah, I just roll around in it, Jonathan. Roll around in it, enjoy it, love it because yeah, I mean except unless you're one of those four guys, it only comes around once, right.

[A]

So you better enjoy it, enjoy it while you have it.

[B]

Or if you want to get it twice, you can have to work really hard and be really sexy. So you never know. I don't have much advice.

[A]

That was funny.

[B]

Yeah, great job.

[A]

Thanksgiving's coming. That's coming true.

[B]

Not never in our household.

[A]

Well yeah it is.

[B]

I mean we give thanks but we never really. We didn't put the dog on for Thanksgiving as much as we did for Christmas or Easter.

[A]

Yeah, it's true because we would travel, we'd like go to my parents house or. Yeah, just never been quite as I.

[B]

Did have a cooking show or do have a cooking show and I, you know I got this sauce on the market and it's at Gelson's by the way just in case anybody's out there shopping. But I've never been good at turkey. I mean turkey just. I have no desire to cook a turkey. I've done it several times.

[A]

Fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But yeah, I like me, I'm not excited. Deep fried turkeys. You know when we would go to Stephanie's house in Rye, New York and they would out there deep fry it gimmick, you know.

[B]

But it still is the same thing. It's turkey's turkey right at the end of the day it's just turkey and you go okay, how exciting can turkey be now a little cranberry.

[A]

I like turkey and cranberry in the stuffing. I like it.

[B]

Well the big thing now up in Vancouver are turkey cranberry sandwiches.

[A]

I love a turkey cranberry sandwich.

[B]

Well, yeah, they go down really well.

[A]

Oh I love, you know what? I love a sandwich. I love a sandwich. I will tell you.

[B]

You love a sandwich. I'm so glad to know that now after 30 some odd years. You should know it. I saw in the refrigerator there's an egg Salad sandwich. It's been there for about a week.

[A]

Okay. No, it hasn't. I just got it. I get them a lot. That's why you see them at Gelson's. They have. Okay.

[B]

By the way, my sauce is at Gelson's. I mean, it's on the top shelf of the. Of the pasta sauce shelf. Because it's kind of expensive, but it's great.

[A]

It's not. Don't say that. You want to say. Don't. You don't want to say, oh, it's kind of expensive.

[B]

It is a great deal. Top shelf creates a top shelf. Go ahead.

[A]

All right. So. Because I shop at Gelson's. Gelson's, by the way, your sauce. In person, myself. And I posted about it and it was all exciting. Anyway, right near where I check out, there's this little, like, new, brand new little refrigerator section. So I was very excited to see it at first. I don't know why this is exciting for you.

[B]

A little refrigerator section?

[A]

Yeah, just like right by the checkout. You don't usually see, like, a little refrigerator section. So of course I'm like, oh, what's in it? And they have these Japanese. Now, I'm not sure how this all goes together, but it's a Japanese egg salad sandwich on this white bread.

[B]

That's the one that's in the fridge now.

[A]

Yeah, it's delicious. It's delicious. Everyone makes fun of me. The kids come over and they go, mom, why do you have this? You noticed it? I go, cause I like it. It's so delicious. So I've probably bought 10 of them so far.

[B]

And have you eaten all 10 of them?

[A]

I've eaten all 10 of them. I've never thrown one out. Not one.

[B]

Oh, good, good.

[A]

So that's good for me because. Yes, I have a tendency. I'm gonna be honest about it. My eyes are bigger than my stomach, and I will order food that does not get eaten. I will say that to you. That's terrible to admit to, but it's true. I'm admitting it. It's horrible. But I think we all have moments where we don't end up eating what we've bought. So anyway, I feel good that I have not thrown any of these sandwiches out.

[B]

But you like a sandwich.

[A]

You like.

[B]

You're partial to a sandwich.

[A]

Yeah, I love a sandwich. If the good.

[B]

Why am I just learning this after 30 some odd years? Because this is not. This is new news.

[A]

I'm going to tell you why. Because I'm just now kind of Noticing it in myself that I like a sound.

[B]

Discovering that you like a sandwich at age. Whatever you are. Okay, so. And you went through all those other decades before that. I'm not gonna say how many. But without knowing that you were like, well, I like.

[A]

I would eat sandwiches, but I didn't know I liked them so much. I really like a sandwich.

[B]

Yes, you like.

[A]

I do. It just works. There are times where I really just want a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Right. Like nothing else will satisfy. Like on really good, like, nutty, whole wheaty type bread with. I like. Let's see. You know what? I like Jif. I like the Jif reduced fat. It's not sexy, but it tastes good. I like the Jif reduced fat and wonder bread. No, no, no, no, no, no.

[B]

But this stuff, the one that's in the refrigerator now is on wonder bread.

[A]

It's like this white. White bread. That's okay. This is the peanut butter and jelly, though. I like, like a nutty, grainy wheat bread with the Jif reduced fat. And I like probably either a BlackBerry jam or a strawberry jam.

[B]

Wow. So you're a cheap date. Okay. Because the peanut butter and jelly sauce, you know what? That's good.

[A]

You're a hypocrite because you call me a cheap date and then you give me shit about my shop there. It's hypocritical. Oh, yeah, you're a cheap date. And then you give me about buying Michael Kors sunglasses that I gave 20% to.

[B]

You just said you can only be satisfied by a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And I happen to know how to make a peanut butter.

[A]

I am very. Listen, you're lucky. I'm a very low maintenance. As much as I look like I'm high maintenance, I'm very low maintenance. You could have been stuck with. Well, you were, but you divorced them. You were stuck with some divas. That would have cost you 20 million more dollars than I cost you. It's the truth.

[B]

Well, I'm not going to dispute that.

[A]

Listen, you got off so easy. You would have been dead if you stayed married to both of those women.

[B]

Oh, no. Without a question. Oh, without question. Oh, I. No, I know absolutely that I would be. Have been killed.

[A]

So you lucked out. You saved money in the end of the day, even though you think I stayed alive and you stayed alive. So there. It's almost like we're having some therapy sessions in our podcast now we're kind of getting down to the, like, nitty gritty marriage stuff, which I think is Good.

[B]

This is as deep as it gets.

[A]

Well, because it's all we ever. Only thing Harry and I ever fight about, you guys, is my shopping and money. It's true.

[B]

Well, everybody fights about money.

[A]

I know, but to actually do it on camera with a microphone wasn't necessarily necessarily on my bucket list.

[B]

Oh, well, as you can see, it's not that big a deal.

[A]

No, I know it's not. But I think it's funny that we're going there because it's the real thing. And you're lucky that you're living because you'd be dead if it weren't for.

[B]

Me, you know, and as other women wouldn't necessarily. But the possibility was actually great. It was that, yeah, there could have been violence.

[A]

I don't think I've ever even thought to myself, I'd like to go get a gun and kill him. I haven't. I bet some women think that about their husbands. I would like to kill him right now. And obviously a lot of them do. Well, I don't think I've ever had.

[B]

That thought about me. Wanting to kill me. I certainly hope not.

[A]

I don't think I have. I think that's a good thing.

[B]

How would that thought go through your head? I just want to kill him. I want to.

[A]

Well, maybe if you're so mad at someone, you just go, I just want him dead. But I don't. I don't. I really haven't thought that about you.

[B]

Well, you know, that's what happens. We, you know, you love all of those, like, Friday and Saturday Night Murder.

[A]

Okay, I love a date line and I love a 48 Hours love.

[B]

Love 2020, too. Isn't that one as well?

[A]

2020 is third down on the list. Sorry, ABC, but I like a date line and a. I could. Okay, Saturday night, I want to watch a 48 hours or a date line.

[B]

But it's always the wife or the.

[A]

Husband or the husband. It is always the wife or the husband or the ex husband or the ex husband.

[B]

These people think they can get away with it. I mean, don't they know that it's always the wife or the ex husband or something like that, and they still kill them anyway. And they always go to jail and they always burn.

[A]

I just don't know why they don't just get divorced. That's my always. My question is, why don't you just divorce them? Why do you have to kill them?

[B]

I mean, maybe divorce doesn't satisfy that need to have, you know, to. To basically hijack your Amygdala that's what happens when you pull the trigger, you know, know you get so mad at.

[A]

Somebody, which we've all been so mad. But to go to that point where you kill someone is very fascinating to me. And it's so final that you, you know, I do have these dreams where I've killed someone and I know that it's over. Not you, like strangers or whomever I get in a situation.

[B]

Murder dreams where you're a murderess.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A serial killer or just a murder?

[A]

Just a murder. Like I've killed someone and then I know it's over. They're going to catch me. Like in my dream, you're guilty. I've killed someone and I know it's over because again, 48 hours in Dateline, you always get caught. Whether it takes a year, whether it is a cold case and it comes back 10 years later, you get caught.

[B]

So let's deconstruct that in your subconscious. You're going through having been a bad girl and having to pay for that, you know, and, well, then it's over.

[A]

You're go to jail for life.

[B]

Right? So. So, yeah. So in your dream you're a murderous and you know you're going to get caught and probably go get the needle.

[A]

No, I am going to get caught and I'm going to prison for life. It's over. Like, life as I know it is over. And I have this sinking feeling like, oh, that's what happens in my dream. It's like I know it's over. And then I'll. Sometimes I'll wake myself up and be like, no, no, I can't have this. I got, I've got endorsements and fashion shows to go to and I'll wake myself up.

[B]

I can't go to jail forever because I've got Paris, I've got couture. Oh, my God.

[A]

Have you ever woken yourself up from a dream because it's too painful?

[B]

I have woken myself up from a dream when I, when it was too scary or something, or I thought it was going to be trouble, but very rarely. That's a very rare occurrence.

[A]

Rare, but it's awful.

[B]

This dream sounds to me like a recurrence recurring dream that probably a lot of people have. Not unlike the, you know, you're at your final exam and you're walking into the exam room and you don't know what subject it was or you're about to go out on stage.

[A]

I don't have those dreams.

[B]

What play am I? What play am I about to Do I don't know my lines. You know that that happens all the time.

[A]

That happened. Well, I don't dream that I've had moments where I black out and I can't remember my line. I've had that in real life.

[B]

When you're on stage.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Well, it's when you grow up on stage. It happens to me every time. Horrible. I always especially. It's usually opening night for me. Remember when we did Chicago and it was opening night? It was act two. And I come up on stage and I look back at everybody, I go, what the fuck do I say now?

[A]

And someone came in. Greg came in with your line.

[B]

Came in with my line and shot my line to me. I went, thank God for Greg.

[A]

That is the scariest feeling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's opening night when I was doing Dancing with Stars and that's live. And you have a minute 30 second dance usually. And I remember going out thinking, I don't remember what I'm going to do after the first couple of moves. And you're literally blacking out and you're panicked because it's live.

[B]

This happened to me on Dancing with the Stars as well.

[A]

Terrible.

[B]

My last dance that I did was the tango and I was supposed to come and do a turn on my right knee and instead I came down on my left knee. Now normally that would be the end of it, right? But my partner was so good, Ashley was so good that she was able to cover the fact that I came down on the wrong leg.

[A]

That's how those, those professional dancers.

[B]

I don't think that I was kicked off because of that, but I was not. It was not because the dance was terrible. It was because I handed a rose. I was going to give a rose to Carrie Ann and instead I decided.

[A]

To give it to Bruno.

[B]

I gave it to Bruno. That's right, you did.

[A]

You gave it to Bruno.

[B]

And she reached out and to grab the rose and then I gave it to Bruno. And I think that pissed her off.

[A]

I think that's why you got kicked a low score. That's hilarious. Do you know that it's the 20th anniversary of Dancing with the Stars next week?

[B]

20 years.

[A]

20.

[B]

So that means it was 17 years ago that you did it.

[A]

That would be 19.

[B]

19 years ago.

[A]

Yeah, because I did season two. Yeah, I did the second season. That's 19 years ago.

[B]

Well, you did great. You were awesome. And the only reason I wanted to do it after you did it is because I saw that it kind of woke you up. I mean, it Gave you. It gave us a sense of self that you hadn't really had before.

[A]

It gave me so much. It got my mojo back. It gave me courage. It gave me pure joy. Working with Louis Van Amstel, it was one of the greatest times of my life. And it was hard. I mean, I would cry. I would go in the bathroom and cry and come back out and. Okay. And then by the end of the.

[B]

Day, your body was messed up for sure. It was so hard. I thought, if I can just get a little bit of what you got. When they came and asked me to do it the following year, and I remember I had to fire my agent, he said, it won't work with you if you do that stupid show. And I said, but I want to do it, because I can see that the challenge of it brings something out in the people who do it that they would never get if they didn't do that.

[A]

Oh, life changing for me. Absolutely life changing. Life changing. Then I was able to go and audition for Chicago. That's why I got Chicago.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

I would have never gotten Chicago if I hadn't done Dancing with the Stars because I wouldn't have been able to do it. I couldn't move like that. Like, it gave me the confidence to fly myself to New York. Go audition.

[B]

That's right. Because you. They didn't fly you. You said, I want to do Chicago, and they said no. You said, if I fly myself to New York and I do, will you listen to me? Will you give me an audition?

[A]

And they said yes.

[B]

That's the hustler. That's the. You hustling right there. Yeah.

[A]

Listen, no one has ever given this, you know, career to me because I don't come from actors. I don't have any, you know, I had no backup or judge or no, you know, nothing. And I've always hustled. I've. No one has ever given me this easily. I have worked very hard for you.

[B]

And you were able to. You. You finally got Chicago. And then how did it feel when they called me up and they said, do you want to do it? And they never even asked me if.

[A]

I could sing or audition or anything.

[B]

I know I didn't have to audition, and they didn't even ask me if I could sing, and I couldn't.

[A]

Well, but that's also been very much how your career has gone, as opposed to my career. In the very beginning, it was literally just handed to you on a silver platter, was it not?

[B]

It was. No, I must say, That I didn't even want to make movies. I didn't want to be in the movie business.

[A]

It's pretty interesting.

[B]

They said, you have to be in the movie business.

[A]

I said, well, your first thing was you went in as a reader.

[B]

I didn't audition for my first movie.

[A]

No, you were reading the opposite, as a matter of factors.

[B]

I told the director, Stanley Donen, when I first. I met him before I did the readings for Ann Reinking, and I said, I don't.

[A]

Are you talking about movie, movie, movie.

[B]

Movie, which is the first movie I.

[A]

Did on the stage a little bit.

[B]

And I said to Stanley Donen, who was the director, who. Who had directed Singing in the Rain and Seven Brides for Seven Brothers Charade. I mean, you know, a whole bunch of.

[A]

Donna was major, huge, huge movie director major.

[B]

And I said to him when I first met him, because they needed somebody to read off screen for these girls who they were screen testing. I said, you know, I'd be happy to do it, but I don't want to be in the movie. I don't want to do movies. I said, I'm a stage actor. I will always be a stage actor. And. And I know these guys at Warner Brothers want me to do movies, but I don't want to do movies. And so. And they paid me some money to read. They gave me 250 bucks to read opposite Ann Reinking and Tova Feldshu. And I said, I'm just going to do this, and I'm gone, you know. And then Stanley Donen came to me after two days of doing these readings, and he said, hey, I know you don't want to be an actor in movies and stuff, but someday you just might want to have a few feet of film on yourself. And, you know, let me. Let me shoot a few feet of film on you tomorrow. And I said, no, I'm sorry. I had a scholarship to go and study in. In London, to study Shakespeare in London. So I said, oh, I'm going to go and study Shakespeare in London. And. And he said, oh, but if you just come in, you know, only take a few minutes, and we can get a little film on you when you come home.

[A]

He's giving you a secret screen test just so everybody knows what's going on.

[B]

I didn't. So I finally said yes, because he was going to give me another 200. And I had to cut my hair. I had to get makeup and wardrobe, and I did it. It didn't take more than half an hour. And then the next day he called me up and he offered me the lead in the movie. I go, what? I said, no, I'm going to London. I'm going to study Shakespeare. And he said, oh, well, it's too bad. And then my mother got wind of the fact that I turned this movie down with George C. Scott, and she got really mad at me and she said, no, I want to meet George C. Scott. You have to do the movie. So that's why I did it.

[A]

That's how Harry's career started right there. That is quite a story.

[B]

Well, yeah, you know, I. I always wanted to just work on the stage.

[A]

Yeah. And here's me just begging and hustling every freaking second of the day just to get anyone to pay attention to me.

[B]

Well, it has been a different ride. That's true.

[A]

Oh, man. Yeah, it's been really interesting. But, you know, that's the business. The business. Business is different with everybody. And I have had to hustle, honey.

[B]

Yeah, well, and it's been a fun ride to watch you hustle. And you've done a great job, by the way. Yeah. And you're cute.

[A]

Well, thanks. Or you.

[B]

Once again, thank you so much for tuning in to see us. Talk about me. No, let's not talk about. Right, yeah. Thanks a lot.

[A]

Woo. Thanks for the listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

That's right.

[B]

So see you next week.

[A]

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