Spicy Stories: Harry's Famous Pasta Sauce, Lisa's Medical Mystery, and YOUR Biggest Secrets

Summary

Podcast Summary: Let's Not Talk About The Husband

Episode: Spicy Stories: Harry's Famous Pasta Sauce, Lisa's Medical Mystery, and YOUR Biggest Secrets
Date: October 10, 2025
Hosts: Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin
Podcast Network: Dear Media

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Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Hollywood couple Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin blend humor, nostalgia, relationship banter, and personal stories around food, health, life in showbiz, and family. The episode covers Harry's foray into the food business (with an emphasis on his new vodka sauce), Lisa's surprisingly resilient body despite a childhood of processed food, the peculiarities of middle-age shopping, their thoughts on social media and anonymity, and wrapped up with listener-submitted secrets and stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lisa and Harry's Playful Dynamic

• The episode opens with teasing and banter about Lisa "pretending" not to know things about Harry for the sake of podcast storytelling.
  • "I can act like it's the first time I'm hearing things. You guys, I'm married to you. I know a lot." — Lisa (01:11)
• Friendship, inside jokes, and warmth set the tone.

2. Harry's Wardrobe Makeover and Hiking Drama

• Lisa describes (02:02–04:41) how she discovered the True Classic brand (thanks to Jonathan Cheban, aka “foodgod”) and upgraded Harry’s wardrobe with new t-shirts and jeans.
• Harry talks about a recent High Sierras hiking trip gone awry, due to unsupportive shoes causing hip pain, unpredictable weather, and an ill-fated stream crossing:
  • "The shoes that I bought in June were destroying my gait and my left hip developed tendonitis over a three or four month period." — Harry (07:04)
  • A reflective moment after falling into a stream: "Thank God I fell into that stream because ... it must have been a nightmare for the next three days." — Harry (10:47)
• Lisa credits her shopping acumen for saving him:
  • "Shopping saves. Shopping has saved you from… your whole body from your neck down." — Lisa (08:31)

3. Harry’s Vodka Sauce Venture and Clean Food Mission

• Harry is excited about the launch of his "Born to be Hot" vodka sauce, soon to be available in Gelson’s grocery stores (11:20–13:43).
• The sauce boasts perfect scores for ingredient quality on several apps:
  • "At this party last night... she said, I went on all the apps and it's 100% on all the apps." — Harry (13:16)
• The duo discuss the importance of clean labels and ingredient transparency, contrasting their clean product with Lisa’s processed food upbringing.

4. Childhood Memories: Processed Food and Family Oddities

• Lisa recalls a diet of Jello salads, TV dinners, Twinkies, and frozen veggies (14:01–16:38), marveling at her own survival and health.
  • "I'm kind of surprised that I'm still here, to be honest with you." — Lisa (14:11)
• Harry shares memories of post-war cuisine staples like oxtail, brains, and tongue (21:07–22:19).
  • "You don't know any difference. You think everybody else is having tongue on something too... I honestly developed a taste for pickled tongue. And also brains or bou noir." — Harry (21:40)
• Lighthearted disgust at each other’s childhood dishes—Welsh rarebit, "shit on a shingle," liver—lead to lots of laughter.

5. Food Philosophy, Accessibility, and Change

• Harry emphasizes their goal of shifting American palates to fresh foods via their company, Open Food Company (16:47–17:03).
• Lisa asks about affordability and the challenge of fresh vs. processed food costs.
• Harry champions openness, noting they provide full recipes for their products.
  • "We want the food to be fresh, without any chemicals and no words on that ingredient label that you can't pronounce." — Harry (18:20)

6. Social Media, Anonymity, and Modern Culture

• The duo dive into the decay of civility afforded by online anonymity and ruminate on the effects of social and traditional media on mental health (27:25–30:07).
  • “The anonymity that comes along with these questions is the same anonymity that's destroying Western civilization right now on social media.” — Harry (27:25)
• Debate: Harry consumes news (defending it as fact-checked), Lisa argues it can be as traumatizing as social media.
  • "Your body takes in trauma from what you see online just as it does from the news." — Lisa (28:46)

7. Two Truths and a Lie Game

• The hosts attempt a classic icebreaker game, but their familiarity with each other makes it hilarious and futile (24:50–27:07).
  • Harry tries to stump Lisa with student grades and athlete's foot, Lisa fails at lying altogether.
  • "I tell the truth so much. It's just so hard for me to lie. Let's talk about the secrets." — Lisa (27:04)

8. Anonymous Listener Secrets: Humor and Gross-Outs

• The hosts read anonymous secrets submitted by listeners (32:11–37:27).
  • Notables include someone using a medical excuse to get off work, and a confession about wanting to subscribe to Harry’s OnlyFans.
  • Harry riffs on the absurd possibility of selling “fungal toenail clippings.”
    • "There might be somebody out there who might pay a lot of money to see my fungus." — Harry (32:47)
• Lisa and Harry share stories of lice and crabs, laughing at the indignities of parenting and their own college experiences.
  • "I've never had crabs. Have you?" — Lisa (36:26)
  • "Yeah, I think maybe… when I was at Berkeley." — Harry (36:30)
• The segment wraps with a zany anecdote about a college roommate's "method" for getting rid of crabs.
  • "You shave half of your pubes then take some lighter fluid and stab them with a penknife when the crabs run out." — Harry (37:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lisa (08:31): "Shopping saves. Shopping saved you from your neck down. Because I haven't done anything for you from your neck up, but from your neck down, I think I've saved you because I shopped."
• Harry (13:16): “…I went on all the apps and it’s 100% on all of them. So that means this is clean food.”
• Harry (18:20): "We want the food to be fresh, without any chemicals and no words on that ingredient label that you can’t pronounce."
• Lisa (14:11): "I’m kind of surprised that I’m still here, to be honest with you."
• Harry (27:25): "This anonymity… is the same anonymity that’s destroying Western civilization right now on social media."
• Harry (32:47): "There might be somebody out there who might pay a lot of money to see my fungus."
• Lisa (27:04): "I tell the truth so much. It’s just so hard for me to lie..."
• Harry (37:03): "You shave half your pubes, then take some lighter fluid… when the crabs come running out, you stab them with a penknife."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:10–01:30: Lisa and Harry’s opening rapport; the nature of their “podcast acting.”
• 02:02–03:42: The True Classic wardrobe story and Harry’s reluctance to accept new clothes.
• 04:41–11:19: Harry’s hiking misadventure—gear, aging, and misadventures in the Sierras.
• 11:20–13:43: Vodka sauce launch; clean eating philosophy & tech.
• 14:01–16:38: Lisa’s memories of 1960s/70s kid cuisine—Jello, TV dinners, canned and frozen vegetables.
• 18:07–18:44: Open recipes and company transparency.
• 24:50–27:07: “Two Truths and a Lie” game.
• 27:25–30:07: Deep dive on anonymity, social media, and news consumption.
• 32:11–36:38: ‘Secrets’ segment: OnlyFans, hand-foot-and-mouth, childhood lice, college stories.
• 37:03: Outrageous “crab-removal” anecdote—episode’s comic climax.

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Tone and Style

• Playful, unfiltered, and self-deprecating: Lisa’s zany extroversion mixes with Harry’s dry, observational humor.
• Intimate: Plenty of personal, sometimes gross, always relatable anecdotes.
• Reflective: Occasional digressions into philosophy, the modern world, and health, but always brought back to laughter and connection.

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Conclusion

This episode epitomizes the “Let’s Not Talk About the Husband” style: sprawling but highly entertaining, it mixes irreverence with earnestness, personal growth with nostalgia, and manages to make everything—from hiking injuries to fungal nails to childhood Jello—feel like a shared inside joke. Whether you care about pasta sauce or just love hearing a long-married couple spar and reminisce, this episode is a spicy, silly, and sneakily insightful treat.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[B]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[A]

And this is let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[B]

We've been together for over 30 years, and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[A]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[B]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Hi, everybody. Welcome back once again to let's Not Talk about the Husband, which is me. Let's not Talk about me. But maybe we're gonna. What's happening? Hi, Lisa. What's going on?

[A]

Oh, gee. Hi, Harry.

[B]

Hi.

[A]

Somebody pointed out recently, they were like, you know that about him. You're just pretending to hear it for the first time.

[B]

What about me?

[A]

On the podcast, you were telling a story, and somebody was like, you are married to him. How would you not know that? And I was like, well, I don't know everything about you. It's just a random thing. But.

[B]

What thing?

[A]

I don't remember that part of it, but I just remember somebody saying, how could you know?

[B]

That's the meat of the matter. What it is that you did know about me. I mean, you don't remember the meat of the matter, but you remember the idea.

[A]

I can act like it's the first time I'm hearing things. You guys, I'm married to you. I know a lot.

[B]

By the way, it's cute.

[A]

Thank you. Ruslan. Ruslan. How come I can never say it?

[B]

What are the initials?

[A]

RB. Ruslan Benin.

[B]

I like just the rb. Just go with rb. Okay.

[A]

My friends from the Ukraine make these amazing hats. I have so many of them. I almost need. You know what I need? This is what I need. I need to put, like, hat hangers on the wall so you could hang all your hats.

[B]

Something to hang your hat on.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I thought I was the person you hung your hat on.

[A]

Well, I do. In a. In a. You know, in a physical sense.

[B]

In a sense.

[A]

In a sense. But I now have collected so many of these RB hats that they're taking.

[B]

Over, and it's black. And we seem to have gotten a memo today, though. I have. This is a little bit grayish.

[A]

Oh, let's talk about your outfit. And let's talk about the fact that Harry got new pants. You guys, Harry has two new pairs of jeans.

[B]

But the crux of the story is not the fact that I got new jeans. It's who makes them. And the fact that we've discovered. I've discovered through you. Thank you so much. A whole new brand that seems to fit my body, whereas I can't find jeans that fit me anywhere. I'll go to a department store and I'll look through like 10 or 15 different brands.

[A]

Oh, I know.

[B]

Can't find a frickin thing.

[A]

Oh, I know.

[B]

There's this one company called the True Classic. Which you discovered.

[A]

I discovered it. Let me tell you the story really quick. Okay, let's go. I was at the deli at the Glenn center, walking by. Cause I do that almost every day. And my friend, the food God, Jonathan Chiben, he was sitting at the deli outside and I hadn't seen him in a while. Hi, how are you? Hug. I was like, oh my God, your T shirt is so soft, what is that? And I love it, it's so good. He goes, oh, thank you. It's this brand called True Classics. And I was like, oh my God, I gotta get these for Harry.

[B]

And you got them for me. I came home one day and there was a package of like 10 different T shirts, white and black, that you had ordered. And I always go, oh no, really? She bought more stuff. I don't need any more stuff. I don't need any more T shirts. I got so many black and white T shirts like they're coming out of my ears.

[A]

I know you're kind of bitchy about it when you first walked in because why do.

[B]

I don't need more T shirts, right? And I go, what, what are these? I open it up, I put the fricking thing on. And you're right, it's like amazing the quality of the cotton. I mean, I put it, I go, this couldn't be 100% cotton. This, this feels like like nylon. This, it's stret.

[A]

Super soft.

[B]

It's super soft. Because this is not just not 100 cotton, but sure enough, unless they're lying through their teeth, they can't lie. 100 cotton. And I went and got new glasses, I got new, new lenses for my frames, right? So I go to my optometrist, he has him, and he brings the glasses back to his house. And I go over, see how excited.

[A]

He is about these T shirts.

[B]

And Doug Levy, he's my optometrist, and Doug. So I go to Doug's house and we're just saying goodbye, and he puts his arms around, he goes, wait a minute, what kind of, what kind of cotton is that? What kind of shirt is that? Exactly the same thing happened with you. So not only now Do I have these great T shirts from this company, the true classics. But you also ordered me some jeans.

[A]

Yes, because I was.

[B]

They fit perfectly.

[A]

I was sick of looking at the same pair that you wore every single day.

[B]

Oh, I got my black jeans on, look at that. And they fit like a glove.

[A]

So black. I got you black jeans and regular jeans. So he has two new pairs of pants, you guys. And what else? Shoes. Let's tell the story about the shoes.

[B]

Well, the shoes thing, because I went up into the High Sierras a couple weeks ago and it was great. It was fantastic. Did a great hike up to 10,000ft on the first day. And then when I arrived at the trailhead, the ranger, because you have to get a permit to go into the wilderness, because this is wilderness, you're going out in the middle of nowhere. And I had never been to this place before. I couldn't go to the place I wanted to go because the road was closed. Getting to Mineral King, which I like to go to, Mineral King, that's on the west side of the Sierras because it's really easy to get into the way, way out back from there because you started 8,000ft and you can get within four or five hours you can actually be in the wilderness. You know, it's a really hard climb, but you can get there anyway. So I couldn't go to that place. So I said if I was going to spend four days on my own, where would I want to go? And of course I went to chat.

[A]

Tahiti. You'd want to go to Tahiti?

[B]

Well, I'd want more than four days in Tahiti. Yeah, you know, I mean, you're gonna go all that way, you go this beautiful, beautiful islands, you ought to spend at least 10. I go, I go to, to the trailhead and the ranger was, I'm picking up my, my permit says. I said to her, is there anything out here talking to people about this trail? I mean, is there anything that sticks out that I should know about? She goes, oh, well, only the weather. I go, what the weather? I mean, I checked the weather before I went. I looked at the 15 day weather forecast for this area, which is Ray Lakes by the way, up in the High Sierras. It's a great loop trail, takes four or five days anyway. So she said, the weather. I go, what the weather was supposed to be perfect? She said, well, you know, we got a little storm coming in that we didn't expect. So I go, this is not good. I mean, a storm when you're at 10,000ft in the high Sierras is not going to be fun, right?

[A]

No.

[B]

So anyway, I put my rain gear in my pack, which added a few extra pounds, and I said, I'll go up. So I hiked up, hike. I got up to 10,000ft. There are other people on the trail. And they all said, you know, looks like maybe there's gonna be some rain tomorrow.

[A]

Yuck.

[B]

And so I just decided after I got up there because my hip was hurting a little bit. So I got this little hitch in my get along in my left hip. I don't know what it is. I went to the chiropractor, he said, probably it's tendonitis. Didn't think it was like a bone on bone thing. So this gets to the shoe question just about why I'm wearing the shoes that I'm wearing. Okay. Because it turns out that the shoes that I've been wearing since I bought them in June, the ones that we went out and bought together, and you said, thank God you finally got a new pair of shoes, were destroying my gait and my left hip developed tendonitis over a three or four month period.

[A]

Because they were not supportive. They were like winky wanky wonky. They didn't support your foot enough. And I noticed this because we went to Vancouver last week to try and find you a place to live while you're filming there. That's a whole nother story. But we were walking around and you were like, I don't think I can walk very much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I looked down and your, your shoes looked like you were just like all swimming in them. Like they didn't look like they had any side support. And I went ding, ding, ding. Why don't we get you some new shoes? Because I don't think those are supporting you. And I bet they're fucking your.

[B]

And you were absolutely right. I mean, we went into Foot Locker, got a pair of hoka.

[A]

Hoka. Yeah. I love hokas. I hike in hokas.

[B]

And they're really supportive and they've got really tight walls on them on the side so your foot doesn't pronate. And ever since I've had these shoes on, I'm feeling 100%.

[A]

Yeah, you're welcome. See, shopping does save. Shopping saves. Shopping has saved you from really connect those things. Shopping. Shopping saved you.

[B]

So the very event of shopping saved me, not the clothes that I bought, but the actual. The process of shopping.

[A]

Yes. Both saved. You saved your whole body from your neck down. Because I haven't done anything from your Neck up for you. But from your neck down, I think I've saved you because I shopped.

[B]

So, yeah. So I got up to 10,000ft on this hike and I camped out and there were other people around, you know, and I thought, you know, and it was really. I got there fast.

[A]

And usually there's nobody around.

[B]

Usually I don't see anything.

[A]

Let them know about that because they're like.

[B]

Normally when I go to the normal place I like to go, I get into the wilderness and I don't see another human for three, three days. But this particular trail is popular because it's beautiful. And so I saw, you know, eight or nine other people on the trail, and they were all. We all got to this place where you can camp because there's very restricted camping because there are so many people. And I thought, well, I've still got a couple hours of light. I think I'll keep going even though my hip was hurting. And I thought, you know, if I keep going, maybe I'll be closer to the lakes by the time it starts to rain the next day. Rain. Oh, my God. So there's this stream I have to cross, and I've crossed a million streams, and I've fallen into a million streams trying to cross them. And the definition of insanity is if you do the same thing over and over again and you get the same negative result, but you keep doing it. That's the definition. Well, I'm insane because you did it. I thought, I don't want to take my boots off. I'm going to find some rocks and I'm going to be able to cross this stream to by hopping across some rocks and not have to take my boots off or my pack off, which is kind of a pain in the ass, especially after you've been hiking all day. And then I see this guy coming down the other way from the mountain and he's got his pack on, and clearly he's been hiking for a long time. And he just skips across these rocks, across this stream, takes him two seconds. And I said, well, if that guy can do it, I can do it, right? So I get up, I walk out. The very first rock I stepped on went right over and I went right into this river. I mean, crazy. Completely soaked. My pack was soaked, all of my clothes soaked, my boots soaked everything. So I said, there's a sign from above that I'm not supposed to continue on this hike. And thank God I fell into that stream because if I had continued on the hike as these other people did, I'm sure they've got some stories to tell. Because it poured, it was not only pouring. I'm sure it was sleeting. I'm sure it was. The wind was unbelievable. It was like a. It must have been a nightmare for the next three days.

[A]

Well, it sounds like a freaking nightmare to me. Well, truly.

[B]

Truly for you. I mean, for it to be a nightmare for me, and I love to be out there, it's got to be pretty bad. And when I. I hiked back the next morning, and as I was driving out, it was raining cats and dogs on the ground. This is at sea level. Imagine what it was like at 10,000ft.

[A]

I don't want to.

[B]

Yeah. Anyway. But I made it alive.

[A]

You did.

[B]

I got back just in time to find the brand new marketing for the vodka sauce. I like it Born to be Hot. Okay. I like it Born to be hot because it's got a little spice in it. Okay. I went to this party last night and I took some sauce with me, and they tried it and they went crazy for the sauce. So this sauce, this particular. This one sauce, the vodka sauce, I think is gonna sell the whole company because this sauce is absolutely amazing. And everybody went crazy for it last night. And that's what's happening.

[A]

Great. And it's gonna be in Gelson's. When? Soon. Now.

[B]

In a month, at the end of October. This will be in Gelson's. Yes.

[A]

Exciting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So exciting. I can't wait. Since it's my favorite store that I shop at all the time to get to go walk down the aisle and see your sauce.

[B]

Hopefully, you know, if we can get people to go out and buy it, you know, Gelson's will reorder it and we'll have a whole life.

[A]

Yeah. We want to get it sold out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the key. So everybody needs to go to Gelson's. We'll tell you when and just go buy a jar or two sauce because.

[B]

And you'll. You'll love it. By the way, I'm not selling snake oil here. This stuff is amazing. It's amazing.

[A]

It's delish. We love it. I have it a couple times a week.

[B]

I know. At least I always keep some in the fridge for you. So you've got it because you put it on everything.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

This one sauce is going to sell the whole company, and we're going to change the food system in America. We're going to take all that gnarly food that's got all those horrible chemicals that you can't pronounce in them. And we're going to take those off the shelves. And there are a bunch of websites. I just found this out last night when I went to this party. There's a bunch of apps that you can get on your phone. All you got to do is scan in the ingredients on the side and it'll give you a number between 1 and 100, whether or not it's clean food or not. And at this party last night, I took a jar with me, and this lovely girl took the jar and she came up to me a few minutes later and she said, I went on all the apps and it's 100% on all of the apps.

[A]

Great.

[B]

So that means this is clean food.

[A]

Great. So rare.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Great. I didn't know there were those apps.

[B]

Neither did I. I mean, we have a Yuko score of like 91 or 92.

[A]

What's a Yuko score?

[B]

It's another app that's. You put in the ingredients of what it is that you're trying to sell and it'll give you a score about how healthy it is.

[A]

Great.

[B]

And we've got really high scores on all those apps. So very happy about that.

[A]

That's great. That is certainly something my mom could have used back in the days of feeding me.

[B]

Well, if you took Jello because you had Jello every night, I wonder what would happen if you put the ingredients for Jello up on one of those apps.

[A]

I'm such a product of the 60s and 70s. I had every single kind of junk food and processed. I'm kind of surprised that I'm still here, to be honest with you.

[B]

But not only are you still here, but you're unbelievably beautiful and you're so fit and you're, you know, you're not insane most of the time. And that's.

[A]

That's debatable. But it's true. The food and God love my mom. I mean, that's what they did. TV dinners, like Salisbury steak, right? Well, that was not my favorite. I.

[B]

No, but that's what it always. Salisbury steak. And what was that? That was like a piece of meat where they took something and they. They made little squares in it or something.

[A]

But I lived. Like, they'd go out on Friday night, I would be so excited because I would get a TV dinner. I had Hostess Twinkies, cupcakes, Ding Dong Susie Q's, and the ones with the coconut on them. Oh, I forget what those.

[B]

Not a Ding Dong.

[A]

Snowballs. The snowballs.

[B]

The Snowball. Oh, yeah.

[A]

So that I had as my dessert. I mean, I don't think. Think I had salad with lettuce until I was 18. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I'm not. You think I'm kidding? I'm not kidding.

[B]

So the salad was just Jello.

[A]

Jello with different fruit and different colors every week. So you would get. I mean, every day. So you get red maybe with bananas, and then maybe you get orange with mandarin oranges. Another little.

[B]

And these are all like dyes.

[A]

They're all in illegal.

[B]

I'm sure the dyes that they used in those days, you know, are all, you know, carcinogenic dyes that are now completely illegal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Went the way of all those pesticides.

[A]

Well, I think it's still there, but I think they still have jello. They do.

[B]

But is the dye the same?

[A]

I don't know, but I had the bad dye, so. My mom was so cute. So her balanced meal would be. You'd get a vegetable, but only frozen. No such thing. I don't think I ever had a fresh vegetable.

[B]

How about from a can? Like canned?

[A]

No, we didn't do cans. We were not a canned vegetable family. We were a frozen vegetable family. So imagine that's all I knew growing up. All I knew was you get your vegetables out of the freezer, you get your salad out of a box because it's jello, and you get a different color every night with different fruit inside. And then another salad would be just little cup of mandarin oranges. So I don't know if that's a salad or that's just like your healthy moment of your meal was your little thing of mandarin oranges and then mainly sugars.

[B]

I recall those little mandarin orange things. They were really sweet, right? I mean, like.

[A]

Yeah. So imagine growing up that way and not knowing that fresh food exists.

[B]

Like, wait a minute, this is. This persists, by the way. You know, I mean, you go to the market today and most of the people you'll see with the big shopping carts that are.

[A]

They do not have fresh food.

[B]

They have frozen food, like tons of it in there, you know, and. And I go, that's what we're doing with the open food companies. We're hoping to gradually shift people's palates so that they only want. People only want fresh food that doesn't have all the chemical junk in it.

[A]

Well, and how do you keep your costs down? Because I do see how fresh food costs more for people. So how are you going to do that? Because it has to be affordable for people. And that's the tricky part.

[B]

If we could get a hold of the food waste in this country, we could bring the prices way down. So much food is wasted in the this country, and I forget the exact percentage numbers, but it's unbelievable how much food just goes into the landfill at the end of the day. So it's all the waste that is creating the high, high prices, too. So look, I think that the open Food company, we're going to do our part to make those changes. Whatever we can do, we will do. For example, we don't have any chemicals at all in any of the food that we put out. It's all stuff that you can buy at the store yourself. And we also give you the recipe so you can actually go to the store. You can buy the ingredients that are the stuff that's in this bottle and make it on your stovetop yourself if you want. Might take you a couple hours or this takes.

[A]

Why wouldn't you just buy it out of the box?

[B]

Last night I went to this little soiree and I. I told this. I was talking to this one woman about our company and I told her that, you know, we give the recipes out, and she goes, what? You can't do that. Somebody will copy them. And I said, that's the whole point. You know, we want people to try to copy these recipes, you know, but they'll never get it right. We want the food to be fresh, without any chemicals and no words on that ingredient label that you can't pronounce. So that's the whole point?

[A]

Well, that's my whole childhood. Everything you can't pronounce is in my body ten times a million. So the fact that I'm still sitting here is.

[B]

It's kind of a testament to the fact that your constitution is so strong that you've been able to poison yourself for the number of years you've been alive. And you're still alive, you know, so.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Quite amazing.

[A]

And that's all they knew back then. I mean, you know, a big night for my mom was a casserole, a tuna casserole with. With crunched up potato chips on top like that.

[B]

You spent all day cooking that?

[A]

Not all day, but, you know, an hour or two. I don't. How long does it take you to cook a tuna casserole?

[B]

You just take. You take cans of tuna and throw them in there, right? With a little mayonnaise and some onions, and then you put it in the oven. Right.

[A]

I mean, oh, my God. And my dad would go out of town, she would torture me at times. And when my dad would go to town, she would cook liver and make me eat liver because she liked liver. And so my dad was like, fuck that, I don't want liver. No liver for me. So she would cook liver when he'd go out of town and make me eat it and make me sit there. I remember one time she was like, you cannot get up until you finish it. And I was like, well, fuck that. I am not finishing it. And watch me just sit here. And I just sat there. I. For hours. I was like, there is no way this is going near my body. You've already poisoned me enough. Sorry.

[B]

Do you remember whether it was beef liver or calves liver?

[A]

Oh, you know, I would not even want to know that question. It was liver.

[B]

And she goes, a lot of iron in liver.

[A]

Oh, it's so good for you. Get your iron that way. I was like, why does it matter? I'm already poisoned by all these chemicals. Why is a little iron gonna help me?

[B]

You're absolutely right. I'm sure the iron did absolutely nothing. The liver was disgusting. You probably ralphed after you ate it too.

[A]

Well, I didn't eat it. But also, here's another one like Welsh rare on toast. What the fuck was that? It was like vomit on a piece of toast. Come on. Corned beef and what?

[B]

The corned beef. And we had a terrible name for that. I mean, it's so. I was shit on a shingle. It was shit on a shingle. That's right.

[A]

I think it was from the war time. So it was like corned beef that was dried and then they'd mix it with some creamy sauce and put it on a piece of toast. I mean, come on.

[B]

Shit on a shingle.

[A]

Come on. That is not food. Maybe during war times when things are not available, but when things are like, that's how I grew up.

[B]

But this is why I grew up. Was born not long after the Second World War and my parents were still cooking the stuff that you could cook because the whole country was on rationing during the war. So we had cow's tail, they called it oxtail. Every Sunday, we had brains au bonoir.

[A]

Oh, come on. At least we've talked about this before.

[B]

We used to have on Christmas morning, we had to eat brains. And every Sunday my mother made tongue.

[A]

That would have done it for me. I would have left home. I would have said, you know what? Bye, I'm done now.

[B]

But you don't know any difference. You think everybody else is having tongue on something, too, right? And you develop a taste for it. I mean, I honestly developed a taste for pickled tongue. And also brains or bou noir.

[A]

That's so gross.

[B]

Which is brains with burned butter.

[A]

I'm sorry, but there's no reason.

[B]

Little capers on the top, nice little burned butter.

[A]

Don't think about it.

[B]

Don't try it before you open the presents on Christmas morning.

[A]

Don't even think about bringing that around. Your whole family will walk away from you and never come back. The girls will be like, bye, goodbye.

[B]

Okay, so that tradition is. You know, that's gone. It's done. Finished. That tradition went out the window when I was.

[A]

That died with your.

[B]

With my father.

[A]

Relatives. Yeah, those relatives. So sorry.

[B]

But no, the food. The food that we eat now is. I mean, if we can get people in this country to eat good food, fresh food. I mean, they say that the only food you really ought to be eating from the supermarket is the stuff you find on the edges, like, all the way around. They don't go in the middle of the supermarket because in the middle of the supermarket, it's all wheat products and salt and sugar and carbs. You know, all those middle lanes.

[A]

And so the outside, that's where the produce is.

[B]

Produce.

[A]

And then the wine is on the other side.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

The wine's always at my market.

[B]

Wine's always on the outside.

[A]

Gelson's has the wine next to the. The booze next to the vegetables.

[B]

Uhhuh.

[A]

They do.

[B]

They do.

[A]

And then on the other side, what is there? Oh, meat's on the other side.

[B]

But if you stay on the outside, they say that's the best place to get your food.

[A]

Well, my mom shopped in the middle. Okay.

[B]

Yum, yum.

[A]

Anyway, I survived it.

[B]

Yeah. And you're cute, so that's foreign.

[C]

What's up, everyone? I'm Sheena Shay. You may know me from nine seasons of Bravo's Vanderpump Rules, but I'm here to tell you about my podcast called Shenanigans. We talk about everything from reality tv, pop culture, relationships, parenting, and invite you to join the conversations with Q and A sessions where nothing is off the table. There's so much more I want to share with you. Thanks for listening and make sure to subscribe to Shenanigans to stay up to date with me. New episodes every Friday.

[B]

So are we gonna do some kind of question thing?

[A]

Right.

[D]

Let's play a game.

[A]

We're playing that game.

[B]

Hello, Daniel. You know Eve is gone. She's not here anymore. But Daniel has.

[A]

Daniel's our new producer. Welcome to Daniel.

[B]

Yay, Daniel.

[A]

And we're in this intermediate space, I might add, because they had a flood over at the Dear Media space. So. Because people are like, why are you blue? Why are you black? Why are you orange? What are you doing? Where are you? Well, that's where. We're here at a. At a intermediate.

[B]

Do we look blue? Black and orange.

[A]

Yeah. The background has changed a few times. We're trying to find the right vibe.

[B]

What is it today?

[A]

It's orange.

[B]

It's orange.

[A]

Like Halloweeny today.

[B]

It's fall.

[A]

It's fall. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So let's play a game.

[A]

All right.

[D]

We're gonna do two truths and a lie. So I'll give you just a few moments to think about this.

[A]

We played this on Housewives. Yes. And I was very bad at it. We went to Tahoe. You have to say, okay, here are two truths and a lie. And you have to. It's kind of hard between us to do it because we know each other pretty well, but you have to do two truths and one line, then figure out which one's the lie.

[B]

I'll go first.

[A]

You go first.

[B]

Last night. I had a tough night sleeping last night. I was a straight A student in the 9th grade and the 10th grade, and I have some athlete's foot today.

[A]

You were not an A student in the 9th and 10th grade.

[B]

What do you say, I'm stupid?

[A]

No.

[B]

What?

[A]

I'm gonna say that. I'm gonna say that. That's your luck.

[B]

You think I'm lying about being a good student?

[A]

I'm just saying that I believe it's two truths and a lie. Right. So that's where I think you're lying.

[B]

Did you see me put any athlete's foot cream on this morning when I took a shower?

[A]

I'm gonna go with, you're not an A student in the 9th and the 10th grade.

[B]

What evidence do you have that I was an idiot in the 9th and 10th grade?

[A]

Because you have athlete's foot and you didn't sleep well last night.

[B]

I'm so busted.

[A]

So, hello, I'm not stupid.

[B]

I had my report card from the ninth and the 10th grade last year.

[A]

Was it bad?

[B]

It's like C minus. C minus.

[A]

C. All right, there you go.

[B]

D, F. And C minus was not hard.

[A]

You didn't make it hard enough somehow.

[B]

I went to Yale. I don't know how that happened.

[A]

Okay. Not that you're. You're smartest person I know, but I know the other two things are true. So we're doing two truths and a lie.

[B]

Okay? So anyway, you gotta.

[A]

Two truths and a lie. I have two very bad ingrown toenails on my toes.

[B]

Not one, but two. Just gonna get that.

[A]

Two ingrown toenails on my big toes. This is why so hard for me to come up with. I don't know why. I can't do it. I hate this fucking game. I can't do it. I can't fucking do it.

[B]

True thing.

[A]

See, I. I'm such. I tell the truth so much.

[B]

That's what it is.

[A]

It's just so hard for me to lie. Let's talk about the secrets. We put up a thing on Instagram that we ask people, what secrets do you have? And we will keep it anonymous. Like, what goes on that you keep secret?

[B]

So this anonymity that comes along with these questions is the same anonymity that's destroying Western civilization right now on social media.

[A]

Oh, you just got so heavy on us.

[B]

Well, but it's true. I mean, is it?

[A]

What does that mean? Well, I mean, how's it destroying civilization.

[B]

Because people can go on. On social media now without revealing who they are? Well, that's say the worst, most horrible fucking things in the history of the world. And it's just messing the whole civilization up. It's messing us up.

[A]

Well, that's true. All right, here's a question that I saw asked Matthew McConaughey. If you had to give up social media, would you? And he was like, yes. Like, if all of a sudden you had no social media, would you want it or not want it? And I would say not want it.

[B]

Well, I'm the only person on the planet who doesn't do it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I do not do social media.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And I think I'm gonna end up being the winner of this game because I.

[A]

Well, except for your brain is gonna explode because you watch the news 24 7, so you kind of have a balance going on. You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't. You're not on social media, but. But you watch.

[B]

It's much more healthy to watch the news, because the news is what's really happening. I'm not sure social media is all fake.

[A]

How about this? I heard this today. If you look at social media and there's something traumatic on social media happening, your body takes that in.

[B]

Of course it does. I mean, why?

[A]

I mean, same with the news, though. Same with the News.

[B]

Well, the algorithm is different. The algorithm takes you down the rabbit hole of dopamine on social media like on TikTok and all that stuff that the news.

[A]

Tic tac. You said tic tac.

[B]

You did. You said tic tac. Busted. I said tic tac.

[A]

Actually, no, you said tic tac.

[B]

Tic tac.

[A]

Which is cute.

[B]

Tick a talk.

[A]

But anyway, what's the difference? What's the difference? I'm not sure it's any different. Like social media news.

[B]

100% different. No, I don't agree because social media on TikTok you're looking at just junk that the algorithm is throwing at you and you're. You get lost in it and you.

[A]

Well, what's. You're looking at negative stuff on the news 24 7. What's positive about it? 000.

[B]

Okay. Well we just have to agree to disagree on that because the news is, you know. At least the news that I watch is checked and rechecked to make sure that it's well true and that's true and not fake news. So you know, if you're watching social media, nobody checks social media, nobody checks to see if what they're saying is correct or not. On TikTok.

[A]

No, it's true.

[B]

So no, I'm. I'm. I go with news sources that. Where they fact check. So you know, how long are we.

[A]

Going to have that though?

[B]

Anyway, so we completely got off the track because there was this game that we were playing.

[A]

I know, but that's what we do. That's the beauty of us is we just go off track, you know?

[B]

And you're so cute when you do it.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So I can't stop it.

[A]

I'm a poisoned little girl who turned out okay. Yeah, well, I'm rotten on the inside, but cute on the outside.

[B]

You got a Slim Jim the other day at the market. You went to Gelson's and got a Slim Jim the other day. I saw that.

[A]

Well, actually there's some other ones that I got that are. That are Slim Jim like.

[B]

Oh, they're Slim Jim.

[A]

They're supposed to be the. They're supposed to be the. The. The whole food equivalent to Slim Jim's. In a sense. They're a little different marketing plan but the same poison. But the same shit.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm. I happily put it in my body because it's ingrained in me. I mean, listen, I'm healthy now, but who doesn't love a good piece of cake pizza like, you know, I go for that junk food because I'm used to it.

[B]

Yeah, your body's used to it, and it's acclimated to it at this point, so. Yeah, you can handle it. I could not. If I ate a Slim Jim, I'm sure I would go down. I'd go over.

[A]

You'd be fine. You'd actually feel great, actually. They're really tasty.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, you know, maybe I'll take my Slim Jim and dip it in your sauce.

[B]

Well, I bet the sauce would be really good. Everything tastes good with this sauce.

[A]

I know. Just.

[B]

I mean, this will fix anything, you know?

[A]

I know. So there you go. Maybe not a Twinkie, but my Slim Jim for sure.

[B]

I'm trying to imagine. I. Okay, I did have a Twinkie. I'm sure I've had a Twinkie in my life. I know what they look like, and I can kind of taste.

[A]

You can never forget it tastes.

[B]

Take a bite of a Twinkie and you get. That creamy stuff. Comes in at the same time.

[A]

Yeah. I'm not even sure.

[B]

So I'm trying to imagine what that would be like with a big dollop of vodka sauce on it.

[A]

No.

[B]

Disgusting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Horrible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just put that in my mouth in my mind, and it was terrible.

[A]

Yeah, it's not good. No.

[B]

Do not put my sauce on a Twinkie. Not gonna work.

[D]

Okay, let's get into some secrets. All of these are anonymous, so secrecy behind it.

[A]

There's secrecy behind the secrecy.

[D]

This one's for you, Harry. I would subscribe to Harry Hamlin's Only Fans.

[A]

There you go. Is that a secret?

[B]

It's a secret that. That's.

[A]

That's somebody's secret.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

So they're telling a secret.

[B]

Well, okay, so what if I go on Only Fans? What am I showing? I could show my fingernails, which I got redone yesterday. Like, my gross fingernails for playing guitar. Or I could. I could show my left nipple. Because we talked about that.

[A]

There's two posts right there.

[B]

Two posts. I got on my. My right foot. My big toenail has fungus in it. Do you think we could get some traction on that? There might be somebody out there who might pay a lot of money to see my fungus.

[A]

I have a feeling we are not in the right business. You know, I keep saying that we're. We're selling sauce. Working my ass off. Like, you know, pounding away one Only fan moment between both of us separate. We could pay off everything. I have a feeling.

[B]

But that's only if we rolled around, right?

[A]

No, I don't think so.

[B]

So I could show my fungal toenail and make that much money. Well, I think anybody out there into.

[A]

Fungus, it's opening up a there. People are into everything. So I think that that is a. Just a cornucopia of things. We could just.

[B]

There might be somebody out there who's like, oh, my God. Fungus on a big toenail. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Please, please.

[A]

Like that black mirror episode. That black mirror episode where that the husband is, like, selling everything on that crazy site to save his wife. Remember his wife.

[B]

So we have to open up a site like that, and we'll sell. I could sell clippings from my fungal tongue.

[A]

Oh, God. Okay. All right. I'm starting to get nauseous.

[D]

Let's do another secret. Lisa. Harry. Once I had a rash and I pretended to my manager it was hand, foot, and mouth just to get off work.

[A]

Good for you. That was easy. That's an easy one.

[B]

He pretended it was hand, foot, and mouth.

[A]

The kids had. Had mouth.

[B]

Does that get mouth?

[A]

Remember that?

[B]

Hand, foot, and mouth?

[A]

Yeah, on their face. Remember? They had that red. It was like. It was like Santa Claus. They had this bright red cheeks.

[B]

But hand, foot, mouth. Sounds like a horrible thing. You imagine you see your hand and your feet are in your mouth at the same time. You have to be pretty limber to get your foot in your mouth.

[A]

It's such a horrible name for something.

[B]

But could you do that? Do you think you get your foot in your mouth?

[A]

Oh, I could easily.

[B]

You're so limber, right?

[A]

Of course I could.

[B]

I mean, I couldn't get it any. I couldn't get it closer than that. But you could probably get your foot in your mouth.

[A]

I kept mine behind my. You know, get hand, foot and mouth.

[B]

Disease because don't you ever hear Amelia had it? But you get your foot in your mouth.

[A]

Don't you remember Amelia had it all over her cheeks. We had.

[B]

Everyone had it in New York, right?

[A]

In Canada. We were in New York. No, we were in New York.

[B]

We were doing Chicago when they had it right?

[A]

The kids were, like, five and eight. And it runs through, you know, like lice. Remember when they used to have lice? They'd get lice. We had to take them to the hair fairies and get their hair combed out for $1,000. That's another good business.

[B]

Now that Amelia's a supermodel. Imagine if we saved those dead lice and what we'd be able to sell them for.

[A]

I'll never forget the first time they have Lice. And you have to like bag up all the bedding and pillows and remember, it was a fucking nightmare.

[B]

And then we found out there's actually these places all around town where you can go and they' lice your children.

[A]

Hair fairies.

[B]

The hair fairies.

[A]

For a thousand dollars. And then remember the time I got it, I got lice.

[B]

You got lice?

[A]

Yes. And I had to go to the hair fairies and have them comb. They comb out like they have these little tiny combs and they put this stuff in your hair and they comb out your hair. It's a thousand. It was a thousand dollars.

[B]

This was after we had. You caught the lice from the kids? You didn't catch it from like hanging out with.

[A]

No, I caught it from the kids because they had it.

[B]

You never know.

[A]

I mean, I caught it from the.

[B]

Kids, but crabs or anything like that?

[A]

No, I've never had crabs. Have you?

[B]

Yeah, I think maybe you have. I think I might have had.

[A]

I've never had crabs when I was at Berkeley, but I have had lice. So there you go. On that note.

[B]

Now on that note. And. And where were we last night? We were watching something on TV where. When I was back in college, my roommate had this. He. Because in college people get lice all the time, right? They do, yeah.

[A]

Oh, because everyone's all together.

[B]

It's not a license call. A lot of. A lot of crabs in college, right? And my roommate would say, oh, you know the way to get rid of crabs, right? You shave half of your pubes, right?

[A]

Oh, they said this.

[B]

And then we saw it on TV last night. He said you shave half of your pubes and then you take some lighter fuel, lighter fluid, and you put it on the other half with all the hair is light that on fire. When the crabs come running out, you see stabbed them with a pen knife.

[A]

Was that your roommate that was a heroin addict?

[B]

That's right. Yeah. That's the best way to get rid of crabs. Everybody just. Yeah, sounds wondering.

[A]

Sounds really a good way.

[D]

I feel like that's a good place to end.

[A]

I think that's a good place to end. Is right.

[B]

Everybody, thanks once again. For some reason you checked in to see. Let's not talk about that.

[A]

We don't do this for two weeks and look what happens. We just like go off the rails. Woo. Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[B]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[A]

Yeah. And if you liked what you heard.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

And I'm HarryRhamlin on Instagram.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So see you next week.

[A]

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