Unpacking Lisa's Last Year on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

Summary

Let's Not Talk About The Husband — "Unpacking Lisa's Last Year on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills"

Host: Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin
Date: November 14, 2025
Podcast: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on Lisa Rinna reflecting candidly on her final year with The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH) — the strain, personal revelations, therapy, and public reaction. Lisa and Harry also discuss career highlights past and present, pop culture moments, navigating fame, aging in Hollywood, wellness, and a dash of their signature marital banter. The tone is humorous, no-nonsense, occasionally irreverent, and introspective.

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Key Themes & Segments

1. Merch, Sauce, & Shout-Outs (00:27–05:00)

• Lisa and Harry banter about studio life, Lisa’s new Rihanna T-shirt, and a playful critique of Lisa’s latest “Own It, Baby” merch (“The own it part kind of gets lost. Isn’t Own it the crux of the matter?” – Harry, 01:53).
• Lisa plugs upcoming merch, Harry’s pasta sauce (now at Gelson’s, Jade’s Market, and Amazon), and reflects on the pride of seeing their names “on the shelf with the sauces” (Lisa, 03:15).
• The couple celebrates being busy entrepreneurs: “You got your merch and my merch and Rihanna’s merch. What else do we have to push?” (Harry, 04:42).

2. Industry Chatter & Name-Dropping (05:00–09:14)

• Harry shares admiration for Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad), especially that the “Hamlin and Hamlin” law firm was named for him, “but Vince, I love the fact…but how about naming a character, having me play a character on your show?” (Harry, 05:18).
• They attended the “Pluribus” premiere (Vince Gilligan’s new series), discussing its meaning (“E pluribus unum” explained at 06:40) and the star-studded event—Lisa was “a little starstruck” sitting next to Reba McEntire and seeing Carol Burnett: “Carol fucking Burnett. Sorry I had to say it like that.” (Lisa, 08:04).
• Lisa credits Carol Burnett and Sonny & Cher for inspiring her, leading into frank talk about ambition: “I just wanted to be famous.” (Lisa, 09:14).

3. The Mechanics & Meaning of Fame (09:14–11:38)

• Harry and Lisa talk about their divergent approaches to fame:
  • Lisa: “What feels great about [being famous]? Well, the best thing about it is I wanted to do it and I did it.” (09:25)
  • Harry: “I’ve spent my whole career trying not to be famous.” (09:50)
• Unique perks (restaurant tables, making fans happy, the shift from autographs to selfies).
• Lisa uses fame for creativity and good (charity, promoting products, activism). “I love to be creative and I love to express myself … That’s why I love Instagram and TikTok so much.” (Lisa, 10:59)

4. Social Media, Activism, and Public Critique (11:38–13:13)

• Lisa reflects on “reactionary” behavior during her last years on RHOBH, especially on Instagram: “I became quite reactionary for a year or two, could have been more.” (Lisa, 12:17)
• A fan encounter at an event affirms Lisa’s outspokenness, “Oh, I follow you because I really like how you stand up and speak your mind and express yourself.” (12:08)

5. Deep Dive: Lisa’s Last Year on Housewives (12:41–23:10)

Therapy & Self-Reflection (12:55–13:42, 16:52–20:23)

• Lisa is actively processing her RHOBH experience in therapy:
  • “I am literally breaking it down right now … so that I can really process it and see what I did and how I created it and what happened.” (Lisa, 12:55)
  • On becoming a scapegoat: “I became a really good scapegoat … it was very easy for me to be scapegoated in that situation” (19:05)
  • Her mother’s death made her more vulnerable, leading to “my downfall that year, because it became way too much. I couldn’t handle it anymore.” (Lisa, 20:08)

Cast Dynamics & Production Pressures (16:03–16:28, 17:00–17:42)

• A fan’s take: Lisa seemed “crazy” because “you were carrying the whole show on your back, of course.” (16:03)
• Harry recalls: “production would come… and say, ‘something’s got to happen here,’ … and you would always pick up that mantle and run with it.” (16:03)

Drinking, Comments, and Rules (17:42–18:52)

• Harry set ground rules for Lisa joining RHOBH: “I insist that you not look at the message boards… and you mustn’t drink. And you didn’t… for five years.” (Harry, 18:12)
• Lisa later loosened those boundaries but insists drinking wasn’t a major factor in her on-screen behavior.

Key Moments & Exit from RHOBH (20:23–23:10)

• Lisa shares the emotional final reunion:
  • Erica Girardi's intervention: “You can never come back to this show. You must leave and not come back. … You can’t do this anymore. I want you to go, and I don’t want to see you back.” (Lisa, 21:02–21:18)
  • Lisa immediately quit via email to the network head that night (“Bada bing, bada bing, bada boom.” – Harry, 20:49).
• Personal symbolism: Lisa brought a ceramic bird from her late mother to the reunion; it accidentally broke, which she took as “a sign from the universe. It is done.” (Lisa, 23:10)

6. Careers Now, Getting Older, and Thriving (24:41–34:41)

• Harry is filming “Mayfair Witches” season 3, may have his first love scene in decades (“I haven’t had any love scenes in, like, 25 years” – Harry, 26:15), discusses the “intimacy coordinator” industry shift post-MeToo.
• Lisa notes she's thriving more with endorsements and opportunities in her 60s than ever (“It is pretty phenomenal and I think it’s so great for the kids to see it.” – Lisa, 29:33).
• Both reflect on the baby boomer generation’s impact on the entertainment industry’s demographics: “Our audience is still the biggest audience.” (Harry, 31:01)
• Lisa: “When I was growing up, if you were in your 60s, you were old… now it’s such an exciting time to… look good and thrive.” (31:08)

7. Health and Longevity (32:04–34:41)

• The couple discusses Dr. Peter Attia’s Outlive and takeaways on aging well:
  • “The top one…by far, is exercise. Below that…is sleep…then nutrition… and then the last one is to have a great family, friendship, life.” (Harry, 32:35)
  • “At 75 is where it drops off the cliff…” (Lisa, 34:00)
• Lisa describes her own fitness efforts and hiking routines; Harry jokes about bursitis and getting older.

8. Personal Updates & Housewives Connections (35:02–37:04)

• Lisa’s joyful run-in with RHOBH co-stars Kyle and Teddy on a hiking trail: “We’re jumping up and down, seeing each other for, like, a minute.” (35:31)
• Updates on Teddy’s health: “Her cancer is undetectable right now. That’s amazing.” (Lisa, 35:38)
• Recent dinner with Erica, Teddy, and Kyle at Craig’s.

9. Home, Appliances, & Playful Marital Banter (37:13–42:36)

• Ongoing saga with a new refrigerator; Lisa’s adventures at a high-end appliance store (“Snyder Diamond”) and negotiating for discounts.
• Lisa is offered but refuses a $25,000 toilet as a gift: “No, I’d rather have a Hermes bag than a fancy toilet.” (Lisa, 38:56)
• Harry teases her about her new love of home stores (“What happened to you, Lisa, the appliance store’s now getting you off?” – Harry, 38:42).
• Lisa refrains from buying a new sink to avoid “send[ing] him over the edge.” (40:41)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fame:

  • Lisa: “I just wanted to be famous. It’s true.” (09:14)
  • Harry: “I’ve spent my whole career trying not to be famous.” (09:50)

• On Housewives & Accountability:

  • Lisa: “I am literally breaking it down right now [in therapy]…what I did and how I created it and what happened. And it’s very valuable.” (12:55)
  • Harry: “That last year you were walking on hot coals most of the time.” (12:41)
  • Lisa: “You can never come back to this show. You must leave and not come back.” (quoting Erica, 21:02)

• On Career Longevity:

  • Lisa: “I’m getting more work and endorsements in my career right now than I ever have at this age. It is pretty phenomenal…” (29:33)
  • Harry: “Our audience is still the biggest audience.” (31:01)

• On Health:

  • Harry: “The top one…by far, is exercise. Below that…is sleep…then nutrition…[finally] have a great family, friendship, life.” (32:35)
  • Lisa: “At 75 it drops off the cliff. So you have to really…Oh, no, really.” (34:00)

• On Marital Banter:

  • Lisa (appliance shopping): “No, I don’t want that. No…I’d rather have a Hermes bag than a fancy toilet.” (38:56)
  • Harry: “Well, that refrigerator is not cheap.” (38:12)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Merch & Sauce Chat: 00:27–05:00
• “Pluribus” Premiere & Name-Dropping: 05:00–09:14
• Fame, Creativity, & Social Media: 09:14–13:13
• Housewives Therapy & Breakdown: 13:13–23:10
• Careers & Aging in Hollywood: 24:41–34:41
• Health & Wellness Talk: 32:04–34:41
• Housewives Connections: 35:02–37:04
• Home Talk & Marital Banter: 37:13–42:36

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Tone & Style

Throughout the episode, Lisa’s openness about her struggles and triumphs is balanced by Harry’s good-natured skepticism and playful support. There’s warmth, wit, a willingness to “own it,” and the unfiltered honesty that defines both their marriage and public personas.

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Summary Usefulness:
Perfect for listeners eager to understand Lisa’s RHOBH exit, the realities of reality TV, and how this Hollywood couple navigates fame, aging, and reinvention — all with humor, vulnerability, and mutual support.

Transcript

[A]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[B]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[A]

And this is. Let's not talk about the Husband.

[B]

We've been together for over 30 years and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[A]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell. And on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[B]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode.

[A]

Hi, everybody. Let's not talk about the husband. We're back in the studios for the first time.

[B]

Yes, we are. We're back in the studio. I guess there was a big flood here or something, but now it looks fantastic. I know we're back in the saddle again. I'm on hold with an appliance company right now. It's impossible to get a hold of. So, you know, if you don't mind, I'm going to just stay on hold and then I'm going to finish the call while we're doing this because I got no other time to do it.

[A]

That's right. And I was like, well, let's just start it. We can show off my. My Rihanna merch T shirt that I got. Oh, look at that now.

[B]

What is the signal we're getting from Rihanna there? What is she saying to us in that picture?

[A]

She's the boss. She's just so cool.

[B]

Well, there's no. There's more going on than I'm the boss. There's something. There's some kind of statement being made there. What is it?

[A]

It's Rihanna.

[B]

See, it's Rihanna with her finger.

[A]

It doesn't need to have any label to it. It just is is Rihanna. And I just got it and I'm so excited about it.

[B]

It's an exciting looking shirt.

[A]

I love it. Yeah, it's merch. Also. Speaking of merch, I got merch now and I've got two hats on the website. I guess it's on the Dear Media website, isn't it? Yeah. So you can get two trucker hats. Then there's this one. This has to go on the site. Own it, baby. In leopard. So this is not the trucker. This is just regular baseball hat. So you guys need to put this up on the site because I don't think we have yet. But how cute's that with a little leopard?

[B]

But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. The own it part kind of gets lost. Isn't Own it like the. Isn't that the kind of crux of the matter? The own it part?

[A]

Yeah, but I kind of like this.

[B]

The baby with the baby in there. I like the font for the baby. For sure.

[A]

You think the own. It should be bigger?

[B]

I think the own. It might. I think.

[A]

No, because I have another hat.

[B]

Okay, well, I like the leopard. What is that? Leopard.

[A]

I have this hat that's Own it. I don't know.

[B]

If you wear both hats at the same time, they're going to get it.

[A]

I'm okay with it.

[B]

How can you wear two at once?

[A]

You can't. You got to just.

[B]

You can carry one around. You carry one hat.

[A]

Anyway. Merch. And we got T shirts coming that say, it's couture. Honey, look at the tag. So, I mean, we're really rocking and rolling here with the merch.

[B]

I like that it's couture. And there's a TV commercial where they say it's couture, which is probably based on what you said.

[A]

I mean, I think it is. I think it's DirecTV.

[B]

Right? It's a DirecTV.

[A]

It's two boys, and they're like. They have fur wraps on and tank tops, and they literally go, it's couture. And the other one goes, oh, I was gonna say that it's couture.

[B]

Well, it's probably inspired by Lisa Rinna. Okay. All right.

[A]

Could be.

[B]

So what's happening? You know what's happening is my sauce is on shelves at Gelson's. And you've seen it. Well, I've not been to Gelson's to see it yet. But you've seen it. What does it look like?

[A]

It's so cool. Because, you know, I shop at Gelson's.

[B]

I know.

[A]

It's my store.

[B]

I'm aware.

[A]

And so it's on the shelf with the sauces. It's on the top shelf.

[B]

That's because it's pretty pricey. But it's. It's. It's expensive, but it's really, really, really good. So, I mean, at the beginning, when you first started business, before you have scale, things cost a little bit more, but the price is going to come down.

[A]

How do you figure that? How does that work?

[B]

Because the more. The more you make, the price comes down. So when you scale it up, See, right now we're only making little batches. I got little batches. But the more people want it, the more batches we make, the price comes down. And then pretty soon it'll be. Well, it'll never be free.

[A]

But it'll be very exciting, though. I mean, to go into your major supermarket and look up and See your husband's sauce. I have to say, it was pretty darn cool.

[B]

You know how hard it is to get a item on a grocery store shelf?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

I mean, it sounds impossible. Yeah.

[A]

And not only are you in all the Gelsons, you're in Jade's Market at the Glen Center.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Which is our. Is our favorite little spot. So that's very cool. So if you live up there, you can go to Jade's.

[B]

And we just. Just got on Amazon prime yesterday. So now you can go to Amazon, you can buy it on Amazon Prime. And there's no shipping charge, so.

[A]

So free shipping if you want to order it on Amazon Prime.

[B]

Free shipping if you're a Prime member. So everybody run out and join Prime.

[A]

Wow. We are just. We are just pushing our. Our stuff.

[B]

You got your merch and my merch and Rihanna's merch. What else do we have to push? Okay. Oh, we have this show that we saw last night to push.

[A]

Well, that was a really interesting show we saw. What's the name of it?

[B]

Pluribus.

[A]

Pluribus, okay. Apple tv. Pluribus.

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Vince Gilligan.

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Gilligan, okay.

[B]

So, and Vince Gilligan, he did Breaking Bad, did Better Call Saul, and I'm a huge fan of Vince Gilligan's, not only because he does amazing television, but also because he named the law firm in Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, Hamlin and Hamlin.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

And I went up to him one time and I said, hey, man, what's up with that? And he goes, well, yeah, I named it after you. I said, well, but Vince, I love the fact that you named a law firm after me. But, you know, how about naming a character, having me play a character on your show?

[A]

There is.

[B]

That would be more fun.

[A]

Yeah, I know. Like, hire me and hire me, I'm available. Yeah, but it's still cool to have it be called Hamlin.

[B]

Yeah, no, I'm not about that.

[A]

That's from your LA law days, I think.

[B]

Oh, absolutely. I'm sure the idea of me being a big time lawyer on that show probably inspired Vince to do that. I don't know. But anyway, I was very happy to see it. And it was very interesting to see his next project, which is called Pluribus. And we may know about the word.

[A]

Pluribus, but talk about the origins of that, because you had to teach me that. Last night, as we were sitting at the Director's Guild waiting for the show to come on, I asked you what Pluribus meant.

[B]

We went to the premiere last night, Rhea Seehorn, who was also in Better.

[A]

Call Saul, that's the actress that stars in it.

[B]

See how she carries the show and does a terrific job. And she's got to be very tired.

[A]

She got every single. Cause it is a hard time.

[B]

But it's a really, really, really, really interesting premise.

[A]

But you have to say what Pluribus means. And where we saw.

[B]

If you look at your dollar bill, on the $1 bill, there is an eagle. And on the eagle's wings, you can see on the very small font, E pluribus unum, which means from many one, which is when it was originally conceived. The 13 states or the other states are the many states, and those states comprise one country, the United States. So E pluribus union means from many one. And then Pluribus, which is the title of the show that we saw last night, basically, it kind of is the same thing. Many people are one person, which.

[A]

That gives it a little bit of it away.

[B]

I'm not going to give it away too much, but it's an amazing premise that it will blow your mind. Will blow your mind.

[A]

The theater was silent. You know how if you go to a Broadway show, people are coughing, they're fidgeting. I mean, there's stuff that goes on.

[B]

You can always tell when you've got the audience, especially if you're up on stage, if you can hear the audience being totally quiet, you know, you got them and they had them last night.

[A]

They had them. Not one person moved. Not one person coughed. It was phenomenal. I was sitting next to Reba McEntire. No name dropping, but yes, Reba. I sat next to Reba. And I have to say, I was a little starstruck there for a second. It was Reba, Reba. And, you know, she got quite an accent. We were chatting, and then Carol Burnett comes and sits down. Carol fucking Burnett. Sorry I had to say it like that. I mean, I have never seen Carol Burnett in person. She's one of my idols of all time. All time.

[B]

When you go to a premiere like that, I mean, we could spend the next hour dropping names. Yes, we could, if we wanted to.

[A]

Because pretty much, who is it? And Better Call Saul was sitting in front of us.

[B]

We were in the AMC section. And I mean, it was. It was a loaded room.

[A]

It was really cool. But Carol Burnett, guys, and really in great form and shape for. I think she's like 90, 91 or so.

[B]

I don't speak for Carol myself, but.

[A]

Oh, I love Carol. She's really One of my idols growing up, I watched Carol Burnett show and the Sonny and Cher show, and those are the two shows that I think.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Really? Really.

[B]

They inspire you to do what you want.

[A]

Inspired me, of course.

[B]

Really? So you wanted to be Carol Burnett. Did you want to be a comedian?

[A]

No, I don't think I ever thought of it that way. I just wanted to be that and do that and have that kind of joy. You wanted to be famous and I just wanted to be famous.

[B]

Yeah.

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I mean, that's the truth.

[B]

Let's get down to the brown here.

[A]

I just want to be famous. It's true.

[B]

And so how does it feel now.

[A]

That you are to be famous? Feels great.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

What feels great about it? What's the best thing about it?

[A]

Well, the best thing about it is I wanted to do it and I did it. You know what I mean?

[B]

I think that's the best you accomplished. You manifested fame.

[A]

I wanted to be famous and I became famous. And I've spent more infamous whichever way you want to look at it.

[B]

Well, I mean, you. You are both. You're famous and infamous, and I think that's a good way to be. If you're going to be famous, why not be both? You know, because then nobody can really pin you down.

[A]

Why not? Why can't they pin you down?

[B]

Because they don't know whether you're. Yeah. I mean, whether your fame is. Look, you're asking too many questions, okay? But I've spent my whole career trying not to be famous.

[A]

I know. That's why it's such an interesting dynamic that not only are we together, but the fact that we want totally different things.

[B]

Well, I mean, fame has really good qualities. I think one of the best qualities is you, you know, you can always get a table at a really crowded restaurant. That seems to be the big. The biggest perk that I can think of. And also the other great thing about it is when somebody comes up and asks you for an autograph or something and you give it to them, it makes them really happy. So you can make somebody happy in the moment.

[A]

So now it's more like selfies. They want.

[B]

They don't want to.

[A]

I don't think I've given an autograph in a very long time.

[B]

We do that on pictures now. You know, you sign.

[A]

Oh, well, those are. Those are guys selling them, though.

[B]

So I know more.

[A]

That's really. That they're selling those.

[B]

But it's an interesting dynam that, you know, I try to keep my head down. And as as anonymous as possible. And. And you love the whole fame thing, but there's gotta be something else about it that you love, you know, I.

[A]

Like the creativity of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Not just. I mean. Cause fame is, you know, what you. Why do you become famous is because of what you're doing. And I love to be creative and I love to express myself. I love to work as an actor. I love to express myself through fashion, you know, that's why I love Instagram and TikTok so much, because I can incubate it and do whatever I frickin want. And that's why I like it. Sometimes it gets me into trouble, sometimes it goes viral, sometimes it brings people joy. I get to do it, you know.

[B]

And it gets to be seen because people are interested in what you do and they wouldn't be if you weren't famous. So the fame gives you the platform.

[A]

That's right. And then I can do good with it. I can, you know, promote sauce, I can give back, I can promote charities. I mean, there's a lot of things.

[B]

We use our platform and I do. Once you're famous like that, you have to.

[A]

I think.

[B]

Yeah. And we get a lot of shit for it. You know, we get a lot of shit for when we're activists as actors.

[A]

But we also get props. You know, when we walked into the premiere last night and that woman who was helping us through had said to me, oh, I follow you because I really like how you stand up and speak your mind and express yourself. And I was like, good.

[B]

Yeah, well, see, it's working. Whatever you're doing is working.

[A]

Listen, I had a moment there for a while and I'll be honest about it, when I was on Housewives, where I became quite reactionary for a year or two, could have been more.

[B]

Is this the last couple of years you're talking about?

[A]

Yeah, the last couple years on Housewives, I became quite reactionary on Instagram and that didn't really serve me at all.

[B]

Well, whatever happened in the last couple of years on that show, whether it served you or not, it was rough going. I mean, it was a little bit like you had to walk through fire for a couple of years there, especially the last year. Last year you were walking on hot coals most of the time.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I'm really. It's so interesting because I'm in therapy and I am literally breaking it down right now. I am breaking that down so that I can really process it and see what. What I did and how I created it and what Happened. And it's very valuable.

[B]

You're gonna deconstruct the last year of.

[A]

Oh, we already have, basically, yeah.

[B]

What have you found out? I mean, is it. Tell me. This is fascinating.

[A]

It is quite fascinating. I mean, you know, it's. It's. It's our opinion or it's my opinion. And, you know, speaking with my therapist about it and everybody would have an opinion about it. But I also. I'll go back a little bit. You know, I've done this Crown Royal Chocolate campaign for the last month that has been really fun.

[B]

Chocolate whiskey. Is that what it was? Really good.

[A]

I'm not kidding. At first I was like, chocolate, whiskey. Okay. And of course, me, I'm like, all right, I'll do it. Sounds good to me.

[B]

Well, doesn't chocolate has some antioxidant properties, doesn't it? So is whiskey now, like, a healthy thing to do?

[A]

Listen, I feel sometimes I need to eat chocolate. It elevates my serotonin and my mood. So I thought, why not? Right? It's delicious. It really is. And we have two. These two different drinks that I. They came up with, and I was like, cool. One had grapefruit juice in it, and one has Coke.

[B]

Coca Cola.

[A]

Coca Cola and cherries or something. And they are delicious. They're delicious. I mean, it's kind of like an.

[B]

Old fashioned kind of sweet. On the sweet side.

[A]

Well, the cherry Coke one is. And the grapefruit one is really good because it's a paloma and it tastes a little, you know, sour.

[B]

I have heard this. I have heard that in Asia, for example, there are some cultures that mix Coca Cola with wine.

[A]

They do.

[B]

I've heard this. I don't. I mean, if anybody out there has ever heard this as well. I've heard this. That. Yeah. Which sounds very odd to me, but maybe it's true, maybe it's not.

[A]

I don't know. Sounds very odd. But again, I didn't know that. I didn't think chocolate and grapefruit would go together. It's delish. So anyway, we had a party for the brand and for the Crown Royal Chocolate. And long story short, it was a cute, you know, afternoon cocktail party, as one does in Hollywood, of course. And somebody that is a big fan of the show and follows it and does impersonations of us. His name's Luigi and he does these really funny impersonations of us on TikTok. All the different housewives from all different cities. So he came up to me and he was lovely and he. He was having A conversation with me about that last year, and he said, you know, I have a philosophy about what happened to you. I said, okay, what is it? He said, I really feel that the reason why you stood out the way you did and people thought you were so crazy is because nobody else was doing anything. Like you were carrying the whole show on your back, of course.

[B]

Well, I remember this. I remember that the production would come to the people and sometimes to you and say, something's got to happen here. Nothing's happening, Something's got to happen. And you would always pick up that mantle and run with it. And nobody else would.

[A]

Well, especially that year, I guess. You know, I just. I kept just doing what I normally do. I didn't think I was doing anything different. But he thought that it looked like I was so crazy because everyone else was just kind of letting me do the work. And so I looked really crazy. And I thought, oh, that does kind of make sense. Because I look back on it and I don't think I was any crazier, any different or any more volatile than I'd always been on the show.

[B]

I didn't notice any particular difference, but all I noticed was the reaction that they had.

[A]

They had a much more bigger, much bigger reaction to me that day.

[B]

And then the social media picked up on that. And then you were getting it from all sides.

[A]

I was. And so it's been hard to process, like, why that happened. But I'm starting to really understand my part in it, which I think you have to always be self reflective. You can, you know, it's very easy to blame and I don't play the victim, so I don't go there. Like, this is not my backup. I don't go there. But I try to go, okay, what part did I play in creating that dynamic? Because we've been talking about the other years that I was on the show. I didn't give it so much power and I gave it more power that year, maybe because I'd lost my mom and I was super vulnerable.

[B]

Well, I mean, a few things were different about that. Not just that year, but the year when you first started the show. You didn't drink at all?

[A]

I did not drink.

[B]

And then you started to drink after year five, I think, you know, so five, six and seven. Because you were on for seven or eight and eight.

[A]

I drank for a couple years, yeah.

[B]

Do you think that had anything to do with it?

[A]

I actually don't.

[B]

Added that little spice.

[A]

Maybe. Maybe it did, but I don't. I don't feel like it did, because I would never really. I would maybe have one glass of wine. So it wasn't like much.

[B]

This was actually a condition that I gave to Lisa when she was asked to do the show to begin with. I said, can't drink. I said, first of all, I said, no, you can't do it. Everybody gets divorced who does that show. I don't want to have to call my divorce lawyer. And then we kind of negotiated, and I said, okay, all right. It's a good branding opportunity, but I insist that you not look at the message boards, which is. Today we call that social media. We call. That would be the, you know, the responses, the comments today. And then I said, and you mustn't drink. And you didn't. You didn't look at the comments.

[A]

Not five years. Not for five years.

[B]

But then you started to look at the comments and drink.

[A]

I was already looking at the comments before that. That was hard not to do. But I don't really think that had anything to do with it. I think that in the beginning, I had a sense of humor about it, in a way. And that last year I got too personal. It got personal for me that last year, and that is kind of what we've come to so far in therapy, that, yeah, I became a really good scapegoat. It was very easy for me to be scapegoated in that situation the first.

[B]

Few years of that show, because, look, you can take all that stuff personally or not, depending upon how you decide to react. Yeah, but it really isn't. It's a TV show. You always used to say, whenever it got really hot, you know, it's just a TV show. Come on. We're just. And we're entertaining an audience, and we've got to rise to the occasion and entertain them. And when someone would get mad at. You'd say, come on, it's just a TV show. But it ceased to be just a TV show after your mom died.

[A]

It did. And that is what happened for me. And I think that that was my downfall that year, because it became way too.

[B]

Way too.

[A]

It just became way too much. I couldn't handle it anymore. And before I could handle it, I was like, my God. I mean, after Amsterdam, I was like, okay, whatever, fine, let's go. You know, and you would think that I wouldn't have been able to, but it got to me that last year, and that was my downfall.

[B]

I'll never forget when you came home the day of the reunion, that last one.

[A]

No, no. Because you weren't there. The last one. The one after Amsterdam.

[B]

No, I'm talking about the very last one. Okay, there weren't. Because I remember that you called the very night of that reunion. You called and quit. Remember? You called head of the network.

[A]

Oh, I did. I emailed her.

[B]

Or emailed the head of the network.

[A]

I emailed. I didn't call. It was 12:30 at night. I did, yes.

[B]

12:39. You got home and you said, I'm sorry, I'm done with this. And that was it. Bada bing, bada bing, bada boom. So that was the last. The last reunion.

[A]

I don't know if I've told this story, but I'll never forget, you know, Erica came into my room that right before I was going home, and she said to me, you can never. You can never come back to this show. You must leave and not come back. I'll never forget that. She was. Tears were running down her face. And, you know, because Erica doesn't get that vulnerable.

[B]

She get emotional that.

[A]

She doesn't get emotional like that. And she, after sitting through that reunion, came in, she said, you can't. You can't be here anymore. You got to go. You cannot do this anymore. I want you to go, and I don't want to see you back. And I remember thinking, wow, just to have somebody see you and really express to you. I mean, of course she doesn't really want me to go because it's much easier probably to have me there.

[B]

You guys had each other's back, too. You guys were kind of bros in that situation.

[C]

Totally.

[B]

Well, so for her to actually say, I want to do this alone now.

[A]

She said, you're not coming back. That's it for you. You will not come back. I will not allow you. You're done.

[B]

Like an hour later is when you, you know, emailed the head of the network and said, I'm not coming back.

[A]

It's true. So I'll never forget that. That was. You know, she and I were certainly trauma bonded through that experience. I mean, that is the truth, and thank God for it. And I don't think I've ever talked about that, but I appreciated that moment. And then I had this other thing, and I was going through my drawers the other day. Not many people know this, but you know, the story about my mom and the birds, if you watch the show and the birds showing up, you know, we were like, hi, there's Lois. Because that was the story.

[B]

Birds everywhere.

[A]

I know there are birds everywhere. So to that reunion, I had taken a Little tiny ceramic bird that I had from my mom, from the house. We had this little.

[B]

I remember that little bird.

[A]

It was on my ledge in the bathroom with the frames. And I haven't told this story either. I guess we're kind of purging. It broke. A little bird fell out of my bag and broke on the ceramic floor at the reunion.

[B]

You took that as a sign.

[A]

And I took that as such a sign. So I was going through my drawer the other day looking for a little makeup bag. There was the pieces of the little ceramic bird in the bag. And I'll never forget.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I remember seeing that going.

[B]

You still have it? Can I fix it?

[A]

Yeah, I do still have it. I'm not sure it's fixable, but maybe we can. I'll show you.

[B]

I'm Mr. Fix It.

[A]

I just literally took it, picked up the pieces, put it in the bag and thought, oh, yeah, well, that's a sign from the universe. It is done. So anyway.

[C]

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[A]

Duh.

[C]

Here I'll be talking about everything from funny personal stories to raw and unfiltered conversations. I'll be showing you how to live your best life unapologetically. Catch me on here every fourth day of the week, which are Thursdays. If you didn't know, you already know where to find a bad bitch. Don't forget to follow rate and, like, you can follow me bretmanrock on everything and follow the podcast at thebaddestradio on all social media except for X. Cause who the hell uses X like.

[B]

So here you are. Here we are. Here we are years later and I'm working again.

[A]

You certainly are. No, things are great. Let's knock on wood and say, my gosh, we're very fortunate in this crazy, crazy time in the world, because it is.

[B]

It's the craziest time in my lifetime without question and hopefully will resolve itself and we'll get back to some kind of stasis politically in this country, because it's certainly not very stable at the moment.

[A]

Well, the government is shut down. Longest shutdown in history. The snap benefits are not happening, and people are.

[B]

It's a funky time. It's a very funky time.

[A]

I'm gonna go hungry, and I don't like that part of it.

[B]

Well, hopefully within the next couple of months, we're gonna get some. Some clarity about where we're headed, because nobody knows where we're headed in the country. And that creates a lot of instability.

[A]

Yeah. It creates a lot of fear.

[B]

You know, I mean, you know, we're launching a sauce business at a time when people, you know, can't afford groceries. People are getting fired all over the place. And it's very, very tricky.

[A]

Very tricky.

[B]

But the sauce is at Gelson's. For anybody who lives in California, run in there. There's four sauces, and they're all really unbelievably.

[A]

Yes, they are for sure. But you're working. You're doing Mayfair Witches, third season of Mayfair Witches, which is great. And I'm working quite a lot, luckily, doing all kinds of fun things.

[B]

Yeah. And I might. I think. I'm not certain, but I think I have love scenes. I haven't had any love scenes in, like, 25 years.

[A]

You don't, you know, you do. You do have love scenes.

[B]

Well, it's not exactly. We don't know exactly how it's going to go at this point.

[A]

I mean, he's excited that he has love scenes.

[B]

Well, I've been working out a little bit in the gym.

[A]

Hilarious, Put it that way.

[B]

At 74.

[A]

Oh, my God, I'm too nervous. I don't even want a love scene at this point. My God, it's been so long. You know, on Days of Our Lives, I had a love scene every other freaking.

[B]

I remember that. I remember. Well, that's what soaps are all about. Soaps are all about sex. I mean, steamy sex and, you know. Yeah.

[A]

I was in my underwear all the time. I was in my other underwear all the time on Melrose. One day on Melrose, I kissed Jack Wagner and who played Michael? Thomas Calabro. Within the same hour. I had one scene with Jack. Made out with him. Then I had a scene with Thomas Colabro. Made out with him.

[B]

You slut.

[A]

Total freaking slut. I'll never forget that. That was pretty trippy. That's right up there with. Oh, man. So it's been a while for me to have a love scene. I would be like, oh, God, please.

[B]

But I did have a love scene. Remember I had a love scene on shameless, which is what, 15, 10, 15.

[A]

Years ago, that story. That's so good. I heard you talking about that last night.

[B]

That is the last love scene I've done in my career. Well, I used to do them all the time when I was younger, but. But I'll never forget on Shameless it was not with a girl. It was like he was 17 and something. When, when this, the scene was conceived where I was in bed with this young boy. I guess I was playing a pedophile. We had to wait for his 18th birthday.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

To shoot the scene or it would have been considered child.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

But I was, I was, I was as naked as I've ever been.

[A]

It's a great scene because you see both of your butts. I remember that it is so creepy as a, as your wife to like watch that. But I also was like, wow, it's impressive as an actor to see that, you know. Well, I mean, well, it was my.

[B]

65 year old butt or something like that.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I've been wanting to see that.

[A]

Well, it looked good.

[B]

And so now, so now I'm, you know, 10 years, some odd years have gone by, so I'm a bit older now and I'm going to be doing another one, this time with a female.

[A]

I'm happy for you. I have seen you do it with so many people.

[B]

Boys and girls. Right?

[A]

I've seen both. Yeah. I don't get jealous. I'm fascinated by it kind of too. You're like, oh well, because I know what goes into it and there's nothing sexy about it. Love scene.

[B]

No, there's nothing special.

[A]

I mean you've got 10, 15, 20 people in the room and now they.

[B]

Have an intimacy coordinator. Now all the love scenes I've done in the past, they never. I guess the business finally got around to.

[A]

Well, it was the whole me too movement.

[B]

So they wanted. Now there's an intermediary, there's somebody who like monitors how you do the love scene. And I guess, well, I think it's.

[A]

To protect probably the woman or making.

[B]

Sure the intimacy coordinator. Last week, just asking me if I was, you know, okay with doing the scene.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

I have done a million.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I'm not sure I would want one there.

[B]

It's like the coordinator person. I don't know. We'll see what happens.

[A]

Yeah. Exciting, exciting example I get for you.

[B]

Gym. I get to, you know, put on a little muscle.

[A]

Woohoo. You get to have sexy time on camera.

[B]

Yeah. In my 70s.

[A]

Hey listen, who knew, right? We are, we are, we are paving a new way and I, I'm thrilled about it because I'm getting more work and endorsements in my career right now than I ever have at this age. It is pretty phenomenal and I think it's so great for the kids. To see it. I think it's so great for young women to see that, you know, everyone from like Demi Moore to myself to Kris Jenner to Nicole Kidman, some Hayek. I mean, everyone is in their 50s, 60s, now, 70.

[B]

You know, I think it may have something to do with the fact that the biggest generation, the biggest consumer generation, consumer of everything, goods, services and entertainment are now is the baby boomer generation.

[A]

True.

[B]

And you know, it's really hard if you look at the landscape in, out there in the land of entertainment, it particularly movies and television, because of the dilution in television and to some degree in movies, it's really hard to break out and become a movie star or a star.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

And that's how they used to sell movies is based. The bankable star was the person who sold the movie. But now it's really hard to bust out and become like that bankable person again for any length of time anyway. So I think, you know, what we're doing is we're seeing this audience. Our audience is still the biggest audience.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

And that's why all the people of our generation are working so much. I think that could be. That's a theory anyway.

[A]

I just think it's great because, I mean, when I was growing up, if you were in your 60s, you were old and you, if you're in your 50s, you were, you were not young.

[B]

I remember being on LA Law thinking, oh my God, I'm going to turn 40 and in a couple of years and my career is going to be over, you know, so, yeah, I mean.

[A]

People were not working in their 60s and 70s in, in my era growing up, it didn't really translate.

[B]

They were dying.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

60S and 70s.

[A]

Oh. Cause they smoked so much and smoking and drinking. Yeah, it's true. So I, I just think this is such an exciting time, you know, to be able to like go out there, feel good, be healthy, look good and thrive.

[B]

That's what they say. Your health is your wealth. Right. So thank God we're both healthy as we reach our last few decades. And you just bought that great book by Peter Attia, Outlive, which is a big thick book that's sitting in the kitchen.

[A]

It's such a great book because, I mean, also when you get to this age and you've been through menopause as a woman and you're trying to figure out how to stay healthy, you know, and how to keep your muscle mass and how to keep your bones strong and it's a, it's a lot. And you have to really work hard. You got to exercise. It's really a lot about exercise.

[B]

That's what Peter and Peter Attia and outlive. He cites four major things as you get older that you must do in order to keep yourself together.

[A]

And they are.

[B]

Well, the top one, he said by far, is exercise. Below that and quite a bit below that, oddly enough, is sleep. Get plenty of sleep and good sleep. And below that is nutrition. Get great nutrition. Make sure that you're eating clean food that doesn't.

[A]

And a lot of protein. He says you need way more protein than I eat.

[B]

Not ultra processed foods. Shop around the outside of the grocery store where the food is fresh instead of in the middle where it's all wheat and salt and sugar. And then the last one is to have a great family, friendship, life, that if you're going to age well, you want to be happy with your relationships.

[A]

I think that is so great. That's why I bought that book. I was so intrigued. Of course, I saw him on TikTok first and I was so intrigued by just his whole message. It's very good.

[B]

Yeah, well, he's had been on the bestseller list off and on for the last three, three and a half years, I think maybe even more. Four years.

[A]

Yeah. And then I think I saw him on 60 Minutes. They just did a whole thing on him.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, oh, good.

[A]

Really good.

[B]

He's really smart.

[A]

So anyway, yeah, we need to try to just stay healthy through this time and you know, you want to feel good as long as you can because he says at 75 is where it drops off.

[B]

Wait, what, a year from now?

[A]

For me, I hate to tell you, at 75 it drops off the cliff. So you have to really. Oh, no, really.

[B]

Gotta work hard, do all those things. Okay.

[A]

Because that's normally what happens at 75. It goes like this.

[B]

Okay, well, so next year I have a year to go party. Right?

[A]

You're gonna have to push it, really lift those weights. It's all about weights, which. Oh, it's hard to do weights. I mean, I'm more consistent. I do light weights, but I don't love heavy weights. But he's like, weights, weights, weights.

[B]

Well, walking is great too.

[A]

With my little walk vest.

[B]

I do that walking, you know, and as soon as I get rid of my little bursitis. Got a little bursitis in my hip.

[A]

Yeah. Have people call in and see what.

[B]

Anybody know how to get rid of bursitis in your hip?

[A]

Bursitis in your hip.

[B]

Yeah. Anyway, they say heat and. And lots of water.

[A]

How do you know it's bursitis?

[B]

Well, because I know it's not bone thing. It's not, you know, it's got to be. It's a muscular thing. It's either, you know, it's precise. I've read the book on it. There's a book on it? There's a book on bursitis at the hip.

[A]

Well, I just flushed on. Such a cute moment. Because, you know, I do my hike with my vest, and I was hiking the other day, and it was such a cute moment. I saw Teddy and Kyle on the trail. You know how we run into people on the trail all the time? So out of the blue, you know, it's one of those days. I wasn't gonna hike, and then the last minute I went hiking. All of a sudden, I see them come down. I see Teddy for. Because she's got really short hair because her hair's growing out. And we literally. I wish I had a video of this. We're jumping up and down, seeing each other for, like, a minute. It was so cute. It was so cute.

[B]

And she's doing okay.

[A]

Teddy's doing really well.

[B]

Great.

[A]

She's doing really well. Her cancer is undetectable right now.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

It's truly a miracle. So my fingers are so crossed in my toes. Because she really is doing much better.

[B]

Than cross your toes. Can you actually do that?

[A]

I can actually.

[B]

You can. You can cross your toes and does that help?

[A]

I have my toes crossed.

[B]

You can cross them right now?

[A]

Yeah, they're crossed.

[B]

No way. I could cross my toes.

[A]

I have my toes crossed in my shoes now.

[B]

Wait a minute. When you cross your toes, is it the same as crossing your fingers?

[A]

Like.

[B]

Like when you. Your fingers crossed, you put your fingers.

[A]

Behind your back over my second toe.

[B]

So if you make a promise to someone, like, if you have your fingers crossed behind your back, Fingers crossed, you didn't really make the promise. Does the same apply to toes? So you could subtly cross your toes inside your shoes. And then whatever you said doesn't. I can.

[A]

That's pretty funny.

[B]

Anyways.

[A]

Anyway. But I'm thrilled that Teddy's doing well. Thrilled.

[B]

And then so am I.

[A]

We went and had dinner.

[B]

It's amazing that she has done as well as she has because the cancer that she had was kind of curtains. Right. So.

[A]

Well, it wasn't great when you have brain tumors. Not great. But she's really doing quite well. And Fantastic strong man.

[B]

Fantastic.

[A]

Anyway, we all had dinner At Craig's. It was cute. Cute. Oh, Erica joined us. So it was me, Erica, Teddy and Kyle. We had dinner. It was fun.

[B]

This is last week? Yeah. Oh, first time hearing about it.

[A]

Well, you're gone. You were in Vancouver. Yeah, we went to Craig's. It was fun.

[B]

What else? Oh, Cheetah. Cheetah is getting bigger all the time.

[A]

Cheetah's getting bigger. Oh, is this the. Oh, this could be the. What happened to the refrigerator people? Yeah, is that what, what happened to the call you were on to reschedule the refrigerator people?

[B]

It happened while we were, you know, they came on and I rescheduled it. Yeah, while you were, you were talking. Yeah, I rescheduled. Yeah. The fridge will be fixed on Thursday. Now next Thursday.

[A]

It's brand new refrigerator though. So what happens?

[B]

Sub Zero. Okay. Make a great product. Right. So we've had. When I built this house in, in 1986, I got a Sub Zero refrigerator because, you know, you wanted to get the best because.

[A]

And it's been very good in our 1980s kitchen, I might add, for almost 40 years.

[B]

Yeah. It's 38 years old.

[A]

That's a long time for a refrigerator to last, I will give you that.

[B]

I will say that they make a great product.

[A]

Like a long time. So maybe we'll get some free Sub Zero now that we're plugging them.

[B]

Well, that refrigerator is not cheap.

[A]

No, it's not.

[B]

And so we got a new one and maybe It'll last another 30, 35 years, this one. But somehow was not installed properly and it's got an issue with the freezer door.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we're going to have to get that fixed. But yeah, Sub Zero is good.

[A]

I have to say, I had so much fun at Snyder Diamond. Snyder diamond is like an appliance store.

[B]

You, you call me up. I'm up in Vancouver and she calls you, she says, oh my God, here, I went to the appliance store today. It was so much fun.

[A]

Oh God, it was.

[B]

What happened to you, Lisa, that the appliance stores like now getting you off it?

[A]

We did. It was, it's so chic because they have everything. They have the new fancy toilets, bathtubs, sinks.

[B]

What if I got you a new toilet for Christmas? How about that?

[A]

No, I don't want that. No. Yeah. I rather have an Hermes bag than a fancy toilet. No, but it was fun. I literally, I had to go to the bathroom because I was there for so long. It's a very. It was fun for me. So I go to the Bathroom. It was a twenty five thousand dollar toilet.

[B]

But in their bathroom.

[A]

In their bathroom. So they told me. They were like, oh yeah, go. Because it's $25,000 toilet. I like, what's it going to do? What does it do to me after.

[B]

It shines your shoes and does your hair and your makeup. Well then what does it do?

[A]

Well, it's like you walk in. It's like a spaceship. I'm not even kidding. It goes like this and then these like lights come on and you play.

[B]

Music while you're pooping.

[A]

Tmi. No, I went to go potty. Not that. And I sat on. It's hot, you know, it's warm.

[B]

It's warm too.

[A]

They warm all kinds of bells and whistles.

[B]

Does it vibrate as well?

[A]

No, it doesn't do that. Probably. Would you kill a couple of birds with one stone and do many things with that toilet? I don't know. I was at Snyder diamond having a ball looking at all.

[B]

Do you want one?

[A]

No, I don't.

[B]

No, seriously. That could be under the tree. Christmas.

[A]

Anyway, Snyder diamond was so much fun because I've never redone a house. You go to a Snyder diamond to like, like redo a house or like you're doing a house.

[B]

That's where you buy all the faucets and all the hinges and all the poles and all the bits and pieces. Yeah, that's where all that stuff comes.

[A]

Look, it's a major place. So I'd never been before. And that's where I went and I bought the, the refrigerator and I almost bought a sink, but I did not. I was, it was close and I thought, no, it'll send him over the edge if I do the sink. But I did find smart about that. I know, I know. I found one that could be cool in like whatever with like a new.

[B]

Faucet.

[A]

Yeah, I picked one out. But I, I was like. That could just throw him over the edge if I get a sink right now. So I'm not going to. But I picked one out.

[B]

Yeah. That was smart of you.

[A]

I know.

[B]

By the way, that was really smart.

[A]

I'm no dummy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I. I held myself back and was. But it was so fun to like pick it out. Like picking out, you know, a new outfit.

[B]

The next time you're bored or you need to get, you know, get your rocks off a little bit, we'll just take a little trip to the appliance store.

[A]

Yes, please. I loved it. Loved it, loved it, loved it.

[B]

Yeah. Now did they. Were you recognized when you Went in there. Did you get a little perk at.

[A]

No.

[B]

You got a discount on the refrigerator, right? Because I always.

[A]

I worked them a little bit.

[B]

You got to. Because I always get a discount there.

[A]

I know. And so I did. I worked them a bit. I was like, well, I know that if I go to another store, they'll match any price. And so I did get him down. I did. I willed and dealed a little bit for you. All right, Not a lot. I didn't get a lot, but I did get something.

[B]

10%, 15%, 20%.

[A]

Anyway, anyway, in my mind, I felt like I got something. I'm sure I was totally bamboozled. But no, I knew the price of the refrigerator, so I knew that it was right.

[B]

Well, that's because we had already talked about that retail price.

[A]

It was suggested, so I got them to go down.

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Good for you.

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Because installation is expensive. So kind of got that taken care of.

[B]

Well, that's what we're going to have. I think it was the installation that caused the problem. I don't know what. We have a problem.

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These boys did a nice job. I watched the whole thing and it was very hard to bring that fridge in there.

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I'm sure it was. That's where the floor got scratched. There you go. So anyway, so thank you very much anyway. That was fun for checking in one more time. So let's not talk about me.

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