We Have NOTHING in Common...

Summary

Episode Summary: "We Have NOTHING in Common..."

Podcast Information:

• Title: Let's Not Talk About The Husband
• Hosts: Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin
• Release Date: May 9, 2025
• Description: Join iconic Hollywood couple Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin for a candid, hilarious, and totally outrageous podcast about life, love, and everything in between. With over 30 years together, they explore the highs and lows of their careers, share stories from their marriage, and spill juicy behind-the-scenes gossip from their time in the industry.

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Main Themes: Opposites Attract

In this episode, Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin delve into the theme of contrasting personalities and interests, showcasing how their differences have not only sustained their long-term relationship but also added depth and humor to their interactions.

1. Divergent TV Preferences (00:38 - 02:14)

The conversation kicks off with Lisa and Harry discussing their distinct TV show preferences, highlighting their fundamental differences.

• Harry: "One of my favorite shows is Alone. I love putting on a heavy backpack and getting into the wilderness, staying out for days without seeing another human being." [01:00]
• Lisa: "My kind of fun is watching RuPaul's Drag Race. It’s pure joy for me." [01:39]

They humorously illustrate their divergence by contrasting Harry's preference for solitary survival shows with Lisa's vibrant and competitive drag reality show.

2. Hobbies and Personal Interests (03:17 - 05:18)

Harry shares insights into his passion for fusion energy and physics, revealing a side of him that contrasts sharply with Lisa's flair for fashion.

• Harry: "I've been obsessed by particle physics and everything related to fusion energy. It's a challenging field, but opposites definitely attract." [03:30]
• Lisa: "You and fusion energy is like me and fashion. No doubt. You wear the same thing every day, while I’m always looking fabulous!" [04:58]

The hosts playfully tease each other about their hobbies, with Lisa admiring Harry’s commitment to his scientific pursuits and Harry appreciating Lisa’s impeccable style.

3. Personal Anecdotes and Teasing (07:33 - 14:25)

Their banter takes a personal turn as they discuss Harry’s long fingernails, a quirky habit that Lisa finds both amusing and distracting.

• Lisa: "I noticed your fingernails are longer than mine on one hand. You look like a vampire!" [07:35]
• Harry: "They are like a vampire, huh? They’re essential for my guitar playing." [08:10]

This segment showcases their playful teasing and deep familiarity with each other’s quirks.

4. Reflecting on Past Experiences (20:16 - 28:02)

Harry recounts the pivotal moment in his career when he chose to star in Clash of the Titans over Tristan and Isolt to meet the legendary Laurence Olivier.

• Harry: "I had to decide between meeting Richard Burton in one project or Laurence Olivier in another. I chose Olivier because I wanted to work with the best." [21:17]
• Lisa: "That’s a significant name drop! It’s fascinating how those choices shape our careers." [20:39]

He also shares an intriguing story about meeting Ursula Andress during the filming, leading to unexpected personal developments.

5. Childhood Memories and Confessions (24:02 - 32:25)

Harry opens up about receiving a Playboy subscription at age 11, leading to a humorous yet honest discussion about his early popularity and family dynamics.

• Harry: "My parents gave me a five-year subscription to Playboy when I was 11. It turned me into a bit of a popularity figure among my peers." [24:02]
• Lisa: "That’s such a unique Christmas gift! I can only imagine how that shaped your teenage years." [28:39]

Their conversation touches on themes of adolescence, family expectations, and the humorous side of growing up under unconventional circumstances.

6. Marriage, Children, and Personal Lives (38:00 - 46:35)

The hosts discuss their marriage and children, touching upon Harry’s past marriages and the birth of their son, Dimitri.

• Harry: "Meeting Ursula Andress led to Dimitri, the light of my life." [39:37]
• Lisa: "It's heartwarming to hear how all those experiences shaped our family today." [42:04]

They balance the conversation with humor, reflecting on past relationships and the unique journey that led them to each other.

7. Fun with RuPaul’s Drag Race Terminology (46:32 - 54:44)

In a delightful and educational closing segment, Lisa and Harry play a game where Harry tries to guess the meanings of various Drag Race terms, leading to both laughs and learning moments.

• D: "What is a death drop?" [46:55]
• Harry: "Maybe someone jumping out of a plane without a parachute?" [46:59]
• Lisa: "Close! It’s actually a dramatic dance move." [47:11]

This segment not only entertains but also bridges the gap between their differing interests, showcasing their ability to engage in each other's worlds with genuine curiosity and amusement.

Notable Quotes:

• "I like Alone... But you would have to tie me down and stick needles in my feet to watch that show." — Harry Hamlin [02:05]
• "We're complete and utter opposites." — Harry Hamlin [02:14]
• "You're really a nerd underneath all of that." — Lisa Rinna [07:05]
• "I think it's a tragedy that there are no longer Quaaludes." — Lisa Rinna [02:26]
• "She can cook. She just said, you know, I'm going to change into something a little more comfortable." — Harry Hamlin [40:52]
• "Charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent." — Lisa Rinna [53:56]

Conclusion: In "We Have NOTHING in Common...", Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin brilliantly illustrate how their contrasting interests and personalities complement each other, enriching their long-term relationship. Through a mix of humor, personal stories, and playful teasing, they offer listeners an engaging glimpse into the dynamics that keep their partnership vibrant and resilient.

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Note: This summary excludes advertisements, intros, outros, and other non-content sections to focus solely on the core discussions and interactions between Lisa and Harry.

Transcript

[Lisa Rinna]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. Hi, I'm Lisa Rinna.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

And this is let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

We've been together for over 30 years, and we've been working in this industry a lot longer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, we have some crazy stories to tell, and on this podcast, we're going to own it, baby.

[Harry Hamlin]

Buckle up. Let's get into today's episode. Welcome back, everybody, to let's Talk about the Husband.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, let's Not Talk about the Husband.

[Harry Hamlin]

You see, you did the same thing I did. Let's Not Talk about the Husband. Yay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yay. So what are we going to talk about today, Harry?

[Harry Hamlin]

Let's talk about the fact that we are polar opposites.

[Lisa Rinna]

Opposites attracting.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that is true.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that we're polar opposites and we watch totally different TV shows. So we were talking about it being alone versus RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Harry Hamlin]

Right?

[Lisa Rinna]

Because you said that to somebody the other day.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, well, Delilah and Henry are, like, binging alone right now, which is one of my favorite shows. I mean, as you know, I like to put on a heavy backpack and go high into the high Sierras every year and get into the wilderness and get as far out away from people as possible. And I stay out there usually for three, four nights, and I don't see another human being for four days.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, my kind of fun. Woo.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm alone. I'm doing all the bathroom things in the woods, and I'm catching fish and. And I'm saying hello to the marmots and the bears and the deer that are up there. And I'm just having a great time being alone. And that's one of my favorite TV shows, is Alone. What's your favorite TV show, darlin?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I have a lot of favorites, but one that I get pure joy from is RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right. So you're watching RuPaul's Drag Race upstairs, and I'm watching Alone Downstairs. That kind of goes to show you that we are complete and utter opposites. Because, I mean, Look, I like RuPaul. I've met him. You've danced with him at a party. You were amazing with RuPaul. But you would have to tie me down and stick needles in my feet to watch that show. It's just a different cultural thing, you know? And I don't think you would never watch Alone.

[Lisa Rinna]

Same with alone. You would have to tie me down and probably even drug me if you gave me, like, if you gave me a Quaalude, I'd watch it.

[Harry Hamlin]

They don't make Quaaludes anymore.

[Lisa Rinna]

Such a shame.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't. You've had Quaaludes?

[Lisa Rinna]

I've had them with you. Sorry.

[Harry Hamlin]

But, yeah, we had maybe one time.

[Lisa Rinna]

One time.

[Harry Hamlin]

Was it real? We don't even know if it was a real Quaalude.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, whatever it was, I. Listen, it's probably a good thing that they're gone, because I liked it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really? I don't remember.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just outed you. How do you feel about that? I outed you. Take drugs.

[Harry Hamlin]

My drug thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just outed you.

[Harry Hamlin]

That was like our first trip in Hawaii.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was. And we took a Quaalude, or so we thought.

[Harry Hamlin]

Somebody gave us something and said, this is a Quaalude, and we took it. But, you know, I don't think it was much.

[Lisa Rinna]

I do. I liked it.

[Harry Hamlin]

You liked it a lot?

[Lisa Rinna]

Are you kidding me? I think it's a tragedy that there are no longer Quaaludes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, really? I'm okay with it. But that's just another indication of, like, our oppositeness. And do we know why opposites attract from a physics point of view? Because this takes me right back to tae. You try alpha energy.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's Mr. Physics.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, I helped to create this company in 1998 that is now hopefully going to make fusion energy for the world. But here's the thing. What I learned over the last 40 years while I've been doing this physics stuff is that opposites definitely attract.

[Lisa Rinna]

But why?

[Harry Hamlin]

And similar people repel each other. Well, okay, so a proton is a positively charged subatomic particle. And if you take two protons which are positively charged, and you try to put them together, which is what we're doing with fusion, they don't go together because they're positively charged. If you've ever taken a magnet, you know, and you take a magnet, the two polar sides that are the same, and they go. You put a. Tried to put them together. You can't put them together. You can never get those two things to come together because of a thing called the Coulomb barrier. And that is the barrier that exists when those two similar poles try to attract people.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just fell asleep. But anyway, go ahead. I literally nodded off what I nodded off.

[Harry Hamlin]

Poor doctor Column, you know, I'm back. Okay, so what we're trying to do with fusion is to get those positively charged protons to actually fuse. Well, when the lights don't come on, you're not Gonna go to sleep when the lights don't come on. There's no electricity.

[Lisa Rinna]

There's already no power to our house right now.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's true.

[Lisa Rinna]

Our power went out at our house.

[Harry Hamlin]

But fortunately we have the Tesla batteries, which kicked right in, so we didn't really notice it. Except that we lost our Internet and I lost my connection to the board meeting for Tae when I was listening to.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you fall asleep on that?

[Harry Hamlin]

I do not. No. I'm actually really excited by seeing that happen.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know it's.

[Harry Hamlin]

You would fall asleep instantly.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, listen. You and fusion energy is like me and fashion.

[Harry Hamlin]

No doubt. No doubt. You know, I kind of understand fashion as an expressive medium. As you know, I wear the same thing every day, so fashion doesn't really express. Exist in my ethos. But you. I'm. I'm the beneficiary of your. You look amazing all the time.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, not only.

[Lisa Rinna]

But you really do say some nice things.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, but you do. I mean, I am the beneficiary of your obsession with fashion.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's very nice. Because I love it. I love it like you Love Fusion and Dr. What's His Name?

[Harry Hamlin]

Column. Dr. Colum. The Colum barrier.

[Lisa Rinna]

The Colum barrier. See, I'm listening. You think I'm not. Guys, I have fucking paid attention to fusion energy things. A few things stick in my brain. Listen, 25 years of it. A few things have stuck in my brain. I can almost repeat all of it. Almost.

[Harry Hamlin]

Good. Okay, so I'm going to quiz you. Maybe not today.

[Lisa Rinna]

Not today.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm going to give you some time to bone up on fusion and plasma physics.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm going to be boning up.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Particle physics and all the things that I'm obsessed by. And at some point, I will, you know, I will do the same thing with fashion.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay. And I'll do the same with you. And I will do, like, flashcards and I'll show you a dress, and you'll have to say who designed it. You'll have to guess the designer.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I bet I could do that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I like this game. We have a couple new games to play.

[Harry Hamlin]

If I showed you, like an amazing equation of, you know, let's say Schrodinger's equation or something like that.

[Lisa Rinna]

I do know Schrodinger's cat.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's true. You do. We have discussed Schrodinger's cat.

[Lisa Rinna]

And so I'm aware of. You know, I think people sometimes are so surprised at the things that come out of my Mouth on many levels. Not just, you know, on a housey wifey level, but on a level of, like, I know some things about, you know, politics and science that were, say, at a good dinner party. People look at me like, I can't believe she's actually that smart, or, I never thought she could. People look at me like that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, we both share that, because we were at a dinner party last week, and we were asked to talk about who we were or whatever, and I just happened to mention the fact that I had helped found this company back in 1998, and all of a sudden, the hostess said, oh, so you're really a nerd underneath all of that. So people don't really know it.

[Lisa Rinna]

They were really surprised by all of it. Well, they know it now. I just looked at your fingernails. I'm just gonna be honest about it. And they're still long on one hand.

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course they are.

[Lisa Rinna]

For your guitar playing.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Is this distracting you about that?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, we have talked about that. We talked at length about that Sometimes.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm gonna be honest. I was just distracted by them. I was. You know, think about it. If all of a sudden you were me, and you just looked over for a minute and your husband's thumbnail was longer. His nails, actually, all of them were longer than yours on just one hand. You might clock it and go, oh, wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

So, oh, wow. That's what I'm getting from you right now. Oh, wow. Listen, you like the sound of the guitar, right? It would not sound good if I didn't have these fingernails.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I just. Sometimes you look over and you're just like. Because they're pointy also, they're, like, not normal.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like, vampire fingernails. Okay. They're like a vampire. Okay, so I'll suck your blood later after the show. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Sometimes they're just moments, and that was a moment.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so moving on. Okay, so opposites are.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did that make you nervous that I stopped you? Because I like. You like to get on a roll? I love. You know what I love to do? I've decided you're on this roll. Like, you've got a plan. We got to talk about this. And then all of a sudden, I'll throw you a little curveball, and you got to take a minute and think about it. I like to do that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Is that what you're doing right now? You're throwing me a curveball?

[Lisa Rinna]

I like it. I feel powerful going, I'm gonna throw a curveball right now, and I'm gonna talk about his nails. And then I do it and it's fun.

[Harry Hamlin]

Am I curved out?

[Lisa Rinna]

What's the story? Well, it slows you up and it makes you smile. See, there we see your teeth. I don't know. I like how this dynamic is going. It's interesting.

[Harry Hamlin]

All right, so let's talk about more opposite things. How about, you know, you don't like the camp, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

I hate to camp.

[Harry Hamlin]

So tell me what you don't like about camping.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, let's just start with packing it all up and going and then unpacking it and putting the tent up and all that stuff. I know people think that's a fun thing, but I am very impatient. And to me, that's just.

[Harry Hamlin]

Even if you had a Sherpa and somebody did it for you, you wouldn't go.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I would do that. Like, I would go on a safari in Africa in one of those fancy safaris that are camping, glamping. Glamping. I would be glamping.

[Harry Hamlin]

How fancy would it have to be? Would it have to be? Like, could you live in a tent or would it have to have, like, walls that are made of cinder blocks or something?

[Lisa Rinna]

It just has to be. Just has to be. What's the word I'm looking for?

[Harry Hamlin]

Glamorous or fabulous? Really comfortable. Like, really civilized.

[Lisa Rinna]

Civilized. That's the word I'm looking for. It has to be civilized.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, so. And you think you're gonna find that in the savanna in Africa somewhere, like really civilized?

[Lisa Rinna]

If there's a lot of people that are putting it all together and doing all of the stuff you know, I'm spoiled. Now, I'm gonna admit it. You have spoiled me. I'm gonna blame it on you.

[Harry Hamlin]

So I created a monster.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, when I met you, never flown first class.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Never bought fancy shoes or designer clothes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Never rode in a limo. Except for my promotion, A white stretch limo with Bob.

[Harry Hamlin]

So did I turned you on to first class? I turned you on to fancy clothes and fancy shoes. How about handbags? I never got you a handbag, did I?

[Lisa Rinna]

I never bought anything expensive until I met you. Nothing. I wanted to, but couldn't really afford it. So you were living a first class lifestyle and I jumped right into it. Not that I didn't like like it, but I wasn't living that lifestyle.

[Harry Hamlin]

So now you can't live without it? Is that what you're saying?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I don't have to.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, but what if. I mean, what if all of a sudden you didn't have access to your lip gloss?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I Wouldn't like that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. Or the 3 out of 400 pairs of sunglasses that you have all of a sudden.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let's talk about it. I have so many pairs of glasses and sunglasses. That's an issue. I really do. But, boy, like, today I thought, I'm gonna wear these glasses like my.

[Harry Hamlin]

How do you possibly pick up? You have such over choice.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know where everything is. I am like. I'm like a fashion hoarder at this point. So I know. Even though it's a little hoardy, I know where everything is.

[Harry Hamlin]

So if you just took the der off the fashion hoarder, what would you come up with?

[Lisa Rinna]

Whore.

[Harry Hamlin]

Fashion. Whore. Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

I am that. Just saying I'm a whore. All right, so I'm a whore in many ways.

[Harry Hamlin]

And how many pairs. I actually counted the number of pairs of shoes that you have.

[Lisa Rinna]

You did not.

[Harry Hamlin]

I did.

[Lisa Rinna]

In every room.

[Harry Hamlin]

I went through the whole house. Just.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, that's almost like reading somebody's diary.

[C]

It's close.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, but I was just curious, as you know, I thought, well, I wonder. I mean, I have. You know, I have more shoes than I need. That's for darn sure. You know, I have.

[Lisa Rinna]

You don't have that many shoes, but.

[Harry Hamlin]

I have more than I need.

[Lisa Rinna]

More than you ever wear, certainly.

[Harry Hamlin]

Do you have more than you ever wear?

[Lisa Rinna]

Listen, Daniel. Daniel Brown, my stylist said to me the other day, you have the best shoe closet in all of Los Angeles. And I took that as high, high praise.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

We pull from it all the time. So just so you know, I've had shoes since three, four years ago. We're still wearing them. Pulling them.

[Harry Hamlin]

I hope so, because you've got.

[Lisa Rinna]

How many? Did you count how many?

[Harry Hamlin]

You have close to a thousand pairs of shoes.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, I don't. Do I really?

[Harry Hamlin]

It's right up there. It's right up. If you count all. If you count all the slippers and tennis shoes, because you've got at least close to 100 pairs of tennis shoes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Just, you know, I like tennis shoes a lot. And, guys, I'm on the low level right now. I'm in the low end. Like, I haven't bought tennis shoes in a long time.

[Harry Hamlin]

So you and Imelda Marcos are right up there, kind of inhabiting that same sort of measure of shoe dome, whatever that is.

[Lisa Rinna]

I wouldn't have thought that.

[Harry Hamlin]

Remember that Amelia, who walks those shows all the time in Paris, sent us photographs of her feet after doing numerous shows in Paris last Fashion week, she.

[Lisa Rinna]

Had, like, 25 blister band aids on her feet.

[Harry Hamlin]

At least 25. Blister band aids. Her feet were like. They were like hamburger.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I think what people don't know about Amelia is her foot's like a ten and a half. And, you know, sample size shoes are like, not. They're like seven and a half, eight.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right. They always fit the clothes just perfectly, but the shoes never fit.

[Lisa Rinna]

So that poor girl. I mean, she. Do you remember when she was little? I do. When she was little, her feet were so fat and big. We could barely. She was a bruiser into shoes.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. I mean, she was a bruiser from the moment she came out. She was huge.

[Lisa Rinna]

She had those rolls, and then her feet were so fat, you couldn't put them in shoes. So I actually have great empathy for her because, number one, you can hardly find. She's almost 11, actually.

[Harry Hamlin]

Size 11.

[Lisa Rinna]

You mean 10 and a half? Well, say 10 and a half. It's hard to find girls shoes at 10 and a half.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, judging from the. The condition of her feet, after a week in Paris during Fashion Week, yeah, it's hard to find good shoes for her. She's. Her feet were messed up.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. The only good thing is she can't borrow my shoes. You know, only Delilah Delis comes and steals them. So she probably has, you know, at least 10, 20 pairs of them that she. She took a really good pair of vintage Gucci boots.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, we're getting a little bit into the weeds here. Okay. She's a thief now.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, no, no. Those are good ones. I can always get them back.

[Harry Hamlin]

All right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, she tells me when she takes them, there were good ones. I'm just. I'm thinking about a good vintage Gucci boot.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I never think about a good vintage Gucci boot.

[Lisa Rinna]

Tom Ford.

[Harry Hamlin]

Has that ever crossed my mind?

[Lisa Rinna]

Tom Ford, 1996 vintage Gucci boot. It's really good. See, I dream about that kind of stuff.

[Harry Hamlin]

Do you really?

[Lisa Rinna]

What do you dream about?

[Harry Hamlin]

I dream about particle physics. I dream about neutrons and protons and muons and gluons and things like that. Yeah, those are my dream. My dreams are filled with whizzing particles traveling at 186,000 miles per second.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, now that's the speed of light.

[Harry Hamlin]

Just saying. Okay. 300,000 kilometers per hour per second, actually. So, yeah, a very fast.

[Lisa Rinna]

Guys, help me.

[C]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[C]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[C]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[C]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[C]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[C]

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[Harry Hamlin]

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[C]

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[Harry Hamlin]

So if we weren't opposites, let's say I was exactly like you and you and I occupied the same headspace.

[Lisa Rinna]

Ew.

[Harry Hamlin]

You think Ew.

[Lisa Rinna]

Ew.

[Harry Hamlin]

If I was, like, traveling, If I was talking to you about Gucci's shoes all the time, you would like that. No.

[Lisa Rinna]

Ew.

[Harry Hamlin]

Why not?

[Lisa Rinna]

Because you. Okay, here's the thing. You never want your husband to, like, look more in the mirror than you do.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that's not going to happen in.

[Lisa Rinna]

This case, but you know what I'm saying. I think there are some men. For me, this is my own opinion. I don't want someone looking in the mirror at themselves. A man more than me.

[Harry Hamlin]

And how often do you look in the mirror?

[Lisa Rinna]

I look in the mirror less than you think I would. You know. Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

What about just random reflective surfaces that you haven't passed by?

[Lisa Rinna]

Less than you think. Less than you think.

[Harry Hamlin]

I sometimes see people doing that, like whenever they walk by window or something. They're always checking themselves out and seeing how they look.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it's Narcissus. Narcissus.

[Harry Hamlin]

There you go.

[Lisa Rinna]

The God who looked in the.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, he wasn't exactly God, but he did look. The narcissist did look in the middle.

[Lisa Rinna]

What was he?

[Harry Hamlin]

He was a character in a myth. But Narcissus wasn't a God.

[Lisa Rinna]

You played Perseus. Was he a God?

[Harry Hamlin]

Perseus was not a God. Perseus is mortal and so.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, but your dad was a God, or your mom.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, my parents were gods. That's true. True. Zeus was my father. And Laurence Olivier played him in the movie, which is why I did Name drop.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's our first name drop of the day. Wow. That's a big name drop.

[Harry Hamlin]

Is it?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Well, Laurence Olivier.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is why I did Clash of the Titans, to meet him.

[Lisa Rinna]

See, I like these stories. Let's tell this story. These are good. So you did Clash of the Titans.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, at the moment when I was offered Clash of the Titans, I had been offered another film called Tristan and Isolt. I remember that Kate Mulgrew was playing Isolt and they asked me to play Tristan. And Richard Burton played, like, the king or something in it. I don't know what his character was.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, at that point, they Must have just been paying those guys so much money to do that stuff, right?

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't know. But it came down to be, do I want to meet Richard Burton or do I want to meet Laurence Olivier?

[Lisa Rinna]

Seriously.

[Harry Hamlin]

And the script for Tristan and Soul was quite dense and wonderful and very evocative of that time period and all that.

[Lisa Rinna]

These words are really big guys today.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then the script for Clash of the Titans was kind of dumb. I don't know.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did you just call Clash of the Titans dumb?

[Harry Hamlin]

I said the script, not Clash of the Titans, the movie. I mean, the script, for example, like, I studied mythology in college, and the myth in Clash of the Titans is not exactly like the myth, the real myth, because Perseus never rode on Pegasus in the actual myths, you know, so they combined a couple of characters together to make Perseus, like, ride on this flying horse, which in the movie. That looks great and all that, but it's not the way the myth works.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow. Well, that's movies, right? They just kind of make.

[Harry Hamlin]

They take artistic license. That's true. So I worked with Kate Mulgrew for a while on this. I thought for sure I was gonna. Doing this movie with Kate and I.

[Lisa Rinna]

So you mean you, like, rehearsed with her?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, we rehearsed. I mean, we were. I was going to do this film and Richard Burton was going to be the king, or whatever he's going to be, and. And then they came along with this offer to do Clash of the Titans, and I, I, I actually kind of took a couple of weeks for me to figure that out. I went back, I read both of the scripts, I looked at some movies of Burton's, I looked at some movies, Olivier's, and I kind of realized that, you know, if I was going to go and go to a faraway land and I was going to shoot a movie with somebody, I really wanted to meet, Lawrence Olivier.

[Lisa Rinna]

So where'd they shoot Tristan? In a sulk?

[Harry Hamlin]

I think it was somewhere in England. I think. I'm not sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then you went to Malta for Clash?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, we went to London and we ended up in Malta, London, Italy, Spain. And ended up in Malta. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then that's where you met Ursula.

[Harry Hamlin]

Ursula played Aphrodite? Yeah, she played the goddess of love in Clash of the Titans. That's true.

[Lisa Rinna]

And she shot you with her arrow.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, Cupid's arrow.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know. Her love arrow.

[Harry Hamlin]

I suppose you could look at it that way. I mean, I suppose Cupid was part of that whole deal. I mean, really it was more like a chance encounter around a flea market that happened while I was.

[Lisa Rinna]

What does that mean?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, we were shooting in Rome and I was staying at the Hotel Delaville on Via Sistina and we shot all weekend. It was a Saturday night, I was sound asleep and the phone rang at about 3 o' clock in the morning and I answered the phone in a grog and it was Ursula. And I answered the phone, I said, hello? And she said, hari, it's Ursula. I went, Ursula? And she goes, yes, Ursula Andres. I go, oh, yes, Ursula. Now we had met before only one time because.

[Lisa Rinna]

So you hadn't shot any scenes with her?

[Harry Hamlin]

I hadn't shot any scenes with her. I never shot any scenes with her. She was a goddess and I was immortal. But I had met her at a dinner that we had had in London when everybody first got to London to shoot the picture and the producers had a big dinner with the entire cast and they sat me next to her and I didn't know what to say to this woman who was a huge movie star and I had known about her since I'd seen and like the.

[Lisa Rinna]

Biggest sex goddess of all time at.

[Harry Hamlin]

That point, one of them, she was right up there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Sophia Loren, Ursula Andress.

[Harry Hamlin]

She was up there in the heavens of sex goddess. Goddessism.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. Did you know who she was before?

[Harry Hamlin]

Before what?

[Lisa Rinna]

Before the movie.

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course I'd seen Dr. No and.

[Lisa Rinna]

When she came out in the bikini, that orange bikini with like the knife on her, like it's iconic.

[Harry Hamlin]

That is an iconic scene. It's iconic and her whole performance is dubbed. It's not her voice in that. That's true. Her English was not very good at that point.

[Lisa Rinna]

She Swiss. German.

[Harry Hamlin]

She's Swiss. Deutsch. Yeah, that's right. So her English was a little still rusty, so they dubbed her performance.

[Lisa Rinna]

But she was really one of the most gorgeous women on the planet.

[Harry Hamlin]

And also on the planet, little known, not a fact, is that my parents gave me a subscription to Playboy magazine when I was 11 years old.

[Lisa Rinna]

When you were 11?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Were they afraid you were gay?

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, one of the. I always wanted to ask. I'm sure when I first. It was under the Christmas tree and there was this thing that looked ho, ho, ho. It looked like it was a copy of National Geographic I thought I was getting for Christmas that year. And when I opened it, it was actually a copy of Playboy magazine.

[Lisa Rinna]

Were you excited?

[Harry Hamlin]

In what sense?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I mean, your 11 year old boy who's, well, clearly horny.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, like I said I got this five year subscription to Playboy.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, they were really nervous. They were so nervous.

[Harry Hamlin]

I always thought at some point I will ask them. I didn't want to bring it up at the time because I was. I just wanted. I want to kind of. Oh, a subscription. Oh, that's like.

[Lisa Rinna]

What do you say when you're 11 years old and you get a subscription to Playboy? Gee, thanks, mom.

[Harry Hamlin]

I forget what I said, but it probably was something along those lines. Gee, thanks, mama, but I didn't want to make too big of a deal out of it. Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did your brother get it?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, I only.

[Lisa Rinna]

You got it.

[Harry Hamlin]

And my brother was three years older than I. Oh, wow. And I. I think, you know, I mean, I don't know, maybe some. One of their friends, a good friend of theirs was actually gay. And he was a man about town, a socialite in. In la. And of course back in those days.

[Lisa Rinna]

What's a man about town?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, he was a single man, a bachelor was. Who was a gadfly. He was at all. He was at all the social events. You know, he was always invited to all of the big events.

[Lisa Rinna]

So he was like.

[Harry Hamlin]

He was the guy. The debutante balls that they used to put on in Pasadena. He would be the guy who would coordinate the ball and all that. But everybody knew that he was a bachelor.

[Lisa Rinna]

That every. All the socialite women.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Had take them to events and he. He escorted them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Exactly. But in those days the word gay hadn't been coined yet, I don't think. Of course, this is in the 60s and so Playboy magazine had only been out for about four years at that point. And it was like. It was still like, what, what is this magazine? Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, Marilyn Monroe had been on the first cover.

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess I never saw the first one, but I got. I got this five year subscription and so you're asking about Ursula. So like somewhere along the line, in the first or second year. Yes. She had a pictorial.

[Lisa Rinna]

I didn't know that.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I remember very well what the picture looked like. I haven't seen that picture in years and years.

[Lisa Rinna]

Full frontal?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, no, it was very artistic. She was in a waterfall.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did John Derek shoot it?

[Harry Hamlin]

Probably. I'll bet John Derek did shoot it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Would have shot it because he shot bows. I would imagine he probably got her, Ursula to do it.

[Harry Hamlin]

They were married at the time.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, for sure.

[Harry Hamlin]

Of course I knew who Ursula was and I had seen her picture in, in Playboy. I'd never taken her picture into the closet or anything with me.

[Lisa Rinna]

But the jerk off.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, whatever you do would. When those go. Look, my parents probably thought that I.

[Lisa Rinna]

Was, you know, for sure they did.

[Harry Hamlin]

And, and they thought, well, they'll. Maybe this will. Maybe this. What, what do they call that today? That therapy, that conversion therapy. They probably thought it was a form of conversion therapy, I guess. And I was very happy that they thought that I might be.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm sure you were. Are you kidding? I don't. I wonder, whoever's listening, of our five listeners, if any of them ever had a Playboy given to them at 11 years old. I doubt it.

[Harry Hamlin]

I very much doubt it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I doubt anyone has had that under their Christmas tree. I'd like to know if you got that. Call in and let us know that when you were such and such age, your parents gave you a five year subscription to Playboy. I think you're probably out there on your own a little bit. I'd like to know if anybody else got that. I'm real curious.

[Harry Hamlin]

I would be too. I would love to know if anybody else had the privilege of, you know, being able to squirrel away a playboy magazine at 11. But as I recall it, I think it was even before I had understood what that whole scene was all about. I mean, I was pretty young.

[Lisa Rinna]

Levin's pretty young for a boy.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I was pretty young. I'm not sure that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Were you in puberty yet even?

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm not even sure I was.

[Lisa Rinna]

But maybe your voice hadn't even dropped more.

[Harry Hamlin]

That's not the only thing that hadn't dropped, I'm sure. So. But I did appreciate it, put it that way. And I had this, you know, you get 12 a year, so I had 60.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I know. My dad had them right next to the toilet, so.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I mean, your dad was considerably.

[Lisa Rinna]

Older than I always had him in a basket.

[Harry Hamlin]

Really?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

And did you look through them?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, of course. I mean, he always had Playboy, they came in the mail, he put them right next to the toilet. I grew up with them.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I can say without equivocation that I have never read an article that was in Playboy.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm sure you haven't.

[C]

No.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but the articles were really good.

[Harry Hamlin]

I hear that. The articles.

[Lisa Rinna]

Real good, I always say.

[Harry Hamlin]

I like the visuals. You know, men, we have a, you know, this. Speaking of opposites, men and women have a whole different way of approaching sexuality because our sexuality is very visual, you know, and, and we get turned on visually. I don't think women have the same feeling.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, we do. Yeah, we do. But it's different because we Want feelings attached to the visual.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I think we just want the holes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, so, I mean, what can I say?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you just said it. You did just say it. You said holes. Well, holes. We just want the holes. I mean, you just open to yourself up. I can't always try and help you when you just say, we just want holes. I go, you know what? Good luck to you. Good luck to you, Harry. I've done the best I can, but.

[Harry Hamlin]

That worked out very well. We have two beautiful daughters, you know, because I found them.

[Lisa Rinna]

You found the holes?

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. You know what? That. Having that subscription really gave me a great education about how to find those things, you know.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it worked well for you. It was good. Thank you. Bernice and Chan, my father.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. And I always wanted. I wanted to ask them, why did you give me, I mean, what fucking possessed them to give me a subscription to Playboy at that age? I never asked. And then they died, you know, and it's like one of those things that.

[Lisa Rinna]

You guys ask your parents all the questions that you want before they go.

[Harry Hamlin]

Before they go. Because there's a couple of questions I wanted to get answered and they were never answered.

[Lisa Rinna]

And, oh, you gotta ask.

[C]

And that's a big one.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like. Like, what were you thinking, you know, giving me that? But I gotta tell you, I was really popular for a couple years.

[Lisa Rinna]

God, I bet you were. Would your brother, like steal them from you? Like, how did you keep them from him?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, I think he had access. I didn't keep them from.

[Lisa Rinna]

They just were out. So did all the boys come over to your house and want to take them and borrow them or just come?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, there was definitely. I was like a lending library. Library for a few years.

[Lisa Rinna]

Could have made money. You could have charged.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. At that point I was not much of an entrepreneur. But looking back on it, there's a lot of ways I could have made money back in those days.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, what else? What else could you make money?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, the way I did make money all throughout those years. Well, tell me one way.

[Lisa Rinna]

Selling Christmas trees.

[Harry Hamlin]

I did. Every Christmas I sold Christmas trees. But I also, I had no skills at all. So I put.

[Lisa Rinna]

But you were pretty darn cute. Like, you were good looking child.

[Harry Hamlin]

Maybe that's why they gave me the subscription. Maybe they thought that I was like going down that other rabbit hole.

[Lisa Rinna]

You were pretty good looking.

[Harry Hamlin]

Speaking of holes. But no, I actually made a lot of money this way. In those days. They had ads in the paper, they classified ads in the paper and everybody read them.

[Lisa Rinna]

I guess most people don't know what that is.

[Harry Hamlin]

Probably a classified ad was in a newspaper. You could. You could pay some money through newspapers. You could put an ad saying you could offer your services.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's like you're an Instagram post now, basically. Or TikTok, I guess so.

[Harry Hamlin]

Or like Craigslist.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, but way earlier. Yeah, it was the early version of all of that. And that's all you could do. You had to call in the paper and you paid money for it and you put a little ad, your little ad in.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I put a little ad that said that I and my friend Charlie would offer our services as handymen for $5 an hour. $5 an hour. So that was 10 bucks an hour for the two of us. And I made money hand over fist cleaning out garages.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, painting, scraping.

[Lisa Rinna]

How old were you?

[Harry Hamlin]

14, 15, 16, 17 and a half. I did it every summer for all during my teenage years. I wanted to go to Woodstock in 1969. Didn't have enough money to go to Woodstock and so put that ad in the paper. Made $500 before the concert. After I had enough money to get there and get back, I went to my parents and I said, hey, could I borrow the station wagon for two weeks? And you know, I'm 17 years old. I'm 17. And they said, what for? I said, I want to drive to New York and go to this rock concert. And they said, oh, just make sure there's plenty of air in the tires. That's all they said. At 17?

[Lisa Rinna]

They said, yeah, take it for two weeks and drive across the country 3,000 miles exactly.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I did it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow, you had a lot of freedom.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I'm. I mean, if Delilah or Amelia had come to us and said, can we borrow the car at 17 and drive across the country? Would we have said yes?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, just keep.

[Harry Hamlin]

Put some air in the tires. Make sure there's plenty of air in the tires.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

But I never made it to Woodstock because Charlie and I got to. We drove the Canadian route. We got to Sault Ste. Marie, which is north of New York, and on the radio they said that this big rock concert, nobody knew it was called Woodstock at that point, but that this rock concert had been canceled because of inclement weather, which it was.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was. It rained, didn't it?

[Harry Hamlin]

It rained horribly and rained out like we were there. We were just gonna drift down from Sault Ste. Marie right into New York and go to the concert the next day. But they said, don't even bother Cause the roads are clogged and you can't get here. So we didn't end up going after we drove all the way across the country.

[Lisa Rinna]

Bummer.

[Harry Hamlin]

It was a bummer. So anyway, yeah, I was very popular for a few years with my subscription to Playboy.

[Lisa Rinna]

So what did you say to Ursula Andress? Did you tell her, oh, hey, I saw you in Playboy?

[Harry Hamlin]

No.

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[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

I had no idea what to say to her. I'm sitting next to this woman at this dinner party in London, and Olivier is there.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're 28 years old.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm 28. Maggie Smith is there. Claire Bloom is there. Burgess Meredith is there.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a stellar cast.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm sitting next to this beautiful, beautiful woman. I have no clue what to say to her. I didn't want to say, by the way, you know, I Used to your picture of them. Playwright. Didn't really want to say that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, it's probably a good idea.

[Harry Hamlin]

So not. I was sort of tongue twisted and I said something about flea market. I think I just. That week before, I'd been to the flea market at the Rose bowl and I was.

[Lisa Rinna]

That is exhilarating conversation, Harry. That must have just really gotten her goat. It did. Did it?

[Harry Hamlin]

No. It did. Yeah. Well, as soon as, as I mentioned the word flea market, she perked right up. Well, she is a huge aficionado of.

[C]

Flea markets all over the world.

[Harry Hamlin]

Who knew, right? I said the magic words. So immediately, immediately she was engaged. And she said, oh, the flea market. Yes, I love the flea market. In London, in Paris, in Rome. And ended up we had this long conversation about flea markets at dinner. And then a month and a half later, I'm in Rome, she's on the phone, it's three o' clock in the morning. Harry, I had a dream about you that we went to the flea market.

[Lisa Rinna]

Go, Ursula.

[Harry Hamlin]

And she said, the flea market is tomorrow morning in Rome, Porto Portese. And she said, can we meet up for the flea market? I said, okay. So I met her in the morning and we went to the flea market. And I still have a few things from that flea market adventure. There's one in our bathroom and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, show me. I'd like to see.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, it's a little deer that sort of goes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, it's in the bath. It's by the bathtub.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Who got that with Ursula Anderson at the Porta Portesa. Yeah, I see that every single day. I put like a diamond tiara on its head.

[Harry Hamlin]

Uh huh. Well, that was my first day with Ursula.

[Lisa Rinna]

What about the thing? That kind of thing. That looks similar.

[Harry Hamlin]

The same bottom at the same time.

[Lisa Rinna]

They were both at the coffee table.

[Harry Hamlin]

Being sold at the same time. They were part of a set, those two things.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I love those things.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah. So that was my morning with Ursula.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, that was. Right. Those things were right before you fucked Ursula Andress.

[Harry Hamlin]

Excuse me? Excuse me? What did you just. I don't want you to repeat it, but I mean. Hello.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't think I need to. But how long?

[Harry Hamlin]

No, I mean, you made an assumption there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you have a child with Ursula.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, that is very true. That did happen.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think I can say that.

[Harry Hamlin]

I guess so. I mean, it's a little abrupt the way you do it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, of course. Because that's how I am. But now that I look at those things, I have a different connotation. Than I did before we got here.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay, well, yeah, I love them. So we did the flea market that day, and I got those two items, and we went back to her apartment on the Via Sistina, which was magnificent. And the Via Sistina is right there at the Spanish Steps, and it's only a few doors away from the hotel I was staying.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I like that hotel.

[Harry Hamlin]

Not the Hassler. I was staying at the De La Ville, which is right next to this.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I only know the Hassler.

[Harry Hamlin]

And then she invited me back to her apartment where she cooked the most magnificent steak dinner. I mean, she was a great cook. I have to say.

[Lisa Rinna]

I can't compete with that. Too bad.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, you can't compete with that. But then no one's asking you to compete with that. But after dinner, she's gorgeous.

[Lisa Rinna]

She can cook.

[Harry Hamlin]

She just said, you know, I'm going to change into something a little more comfortable.

[Lisa Rinna]

And then I bet she did.

[Harry Hamlin]

She reappeared. And then. And what do you think? I mean, so I would imagine a.

[Lisa Rinna]

Very sexy, like, a month and a.

[Harry Hamlin]

Half later, we happened to be. Had been invited to go to the Cairo Film Festival.

[Lisa Rinna]

In Egypt.

[Harry Hamlin]

In Egypt. And we rented a room on a boat, on a Sheraton hotel boat to go down the Nile. And we were cruising down the Nile one evening, and she said, hattie, I'm late.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, shit.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I said, what are you late for? I mean, we're on the boat here. She said, no, Hattie, I'm late. I'm late.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, and you're 28 years old.

[Harry Hamlin]

I was 28. And so, yeah, she left and went to see her ob Gy or gynecologist, I think, in Rome. And I stayed on the boat with my friend Laird, and we ended up exploring a lot more of Egypt after she left. And then nine months later, Dimitri, who was like the light of my life, my son Demetri. So, yeah, it all worked out really well.

[Lisa Rinna]

It did. But wow, it's so interesting how choices in life, we never really know where they're going to take us.

[Harry Hamlin]

No, we don't. Where are we going to be next year? Who knows?

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, you can plan, you can manifest, and then you can all throw it out the window. Because God, or a higher power of whatever you believe has another plan.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, my son Dimitri wanted to come onto the planet and found me and Ursula to be his parents.

[Lisa Rinna]

That is a story that probably a lot of people don't know. That's what I like about this. We can tell stories that people would never imagine well, yeah, we have a lot of them.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, we've been on this road for a long time, darling. We got some water under this tree.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I'm your third wife. Three.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. Rub it in.

[Lisa Rinna]

3.

[Harry Hamlin]

Rub it in.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I think it's kind of phenomenal. You should own it and take, you know, you should take pride in it. Three wives and I'm the one that's stuck. Like, that's not bad for you. You kind of lucked out in the end because it wasn't looking good for.

[Harry Hamlin]

You, am I. I'm not. I'm not in any way contradicting that. Three's a charm, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So there you go. Yeah. And I've got lots of stories about the other two gals, too. Well, we'll get to that at some point.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, we have to be. You have to be careful of that, I guess. Well, they might sue you or something. Who knows?

[Harry Hamlin]

I would have to be saying something horrible. I would never say anything bad about my ex wife. Oh, no. I mean, if. Look, if I married them, I'm not gonna. I married them for a reason. Right. It's not like I. I knew what I was getting into. Right?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

I went in with the best possible intentions.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think everyone does. Were they opposite you or were they more like you? How about that question?

[Harry Hamlin]

They were more like. So, yeah, we were much more like each other. This is why the opposite thing is really. Really.

[Lisa Rinna]

Guys, listen to this.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So those two other ladies were more like you.

[Harry Hamlin]

They're much more like I am. And what you want to do out there, just for a little word of advice for the people looking for a mate out there, find someone who you really think is completely and utterly opposite from you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow, Harry Hamill with the pearls of wisdom right there. I never asked you that question. I did not know if they were similar to you or opposite.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, much more similar than you and I are.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wow.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah, I'm not sure any of them, either one of those women would have strapped a pack on their back and gone up to 13,000ft in the high Sierras.

[Lisa Rinna]

All right, so how are they more like you and not opposite you then?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I mean, we seem to like the same. Well, the one thing you and I do like is traveling together, so we like to go to the same places. Except I like really rustic places and you like really fancy places. That's a little bit of a difference in our traveling thing, but I think. You know, I'm not sure I would Ever ask you to come in a dugout canoe down the seafood river with me as I did with my second wife?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. And that could have been one of the reasons why she left you for Michael Bolton. I mean, I'm just gonna say, more.

[Harry Hamlin]

Than likely, Michael would have taken her to St. Tropez. I took her to the Sepik river for a honeymoon. Yeah. That could have something to do with it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think, possibly, if I may say, she was like, I'm gonna go with it, but I'm gonna fucking divorce his ass when I get home because this is fucked up. I'm going down in a dugout canoe for my honeymoon, and we didn't see.

[Harry Hamlin]

Porcelain for two weeks. No sinks, no toilets. No, no. If you needed to go, there was a little hole in a board in the woods with a palm frond next to it. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm gonna say Nicolette Sheridan was like, fuck this shit, man. Fucking get me outta here.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, but it was an amazing adventure.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm sure it was.

[Harry Hamlin]

And a very memorable time, even though. Yes, it was. See, I had said that I wanted to go to the most primitive place on the planet. That was my desire.

[Lisa Rinna]

And she went, great. I do, too.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's a story that I'm gonna have to tell. This story, take. This is for a whole episode.

[Lisa Rinna]

Let's do a whole. We'll come back to this story. They'll give us. We give you all something to look forward to. Okay.

[Harry Hamlin]

This is a good story, by the way. Harry and Nicolette in a dugout canoe going down the Sepik river in.

[Lisa Rinna]

In her fucking tongue with her ass sticking out. Did I just say that? I did. I did. So I'm gonna leave it at that, because I have seen the pictures, and she's.

[Harry Hamlin]

Is it game time?

[D]

I think it's game time.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think it's game time. Anyway, stay tuned, y' all.

[D]

Okay, so on the theme of opposites attract, I thought it would be fun if we put together a little list of Drag Race terminology, because Drag Race is obviously one of Lisa's favorite shows. And, Harry, I want you to guess what you think these terms mean, and then Lisa and I can kind of fill in the gaps for.

[Harry Hamlin]

I love this because I have no clue.

[D]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's fantastic.

[D]

I love it. Okay, so to start off, what do you think a death drop is?

[Harry Hamlin]

A what?

[D]

A death drop.

[C]

Death.

[Harry Hamlin]

As in dead death drop.

[Lisa Rinna]

A death drop.

[Harry Hamlin]

A death drop would be somebody jumping out of a plane without a parachute.

[D]

Okay, That's a great guess.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's A great guess, Lisa.

[D]

Do you know what it is?

[Lisa Rinna]

I do? Okay, well, it's a dance move. And you drop. You literally drop with one leg out and one leg back on your back.

[Harry Hamlin]

And you don't die.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's doing your dance off.

[Harry Hamlin]

Doesn't that require surgery later?

[Lisa Rinna]

No.

[D]

It's amazing.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's amazing.

[D]

It's an athletic feat.

[Lisa Rinna]

It is. I could not do a death drop. If I did a death drop, I would be at Cedar Sinai in a, you know, brace.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't want to see you do a death drop.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm gonna show you an excellent death drop on RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Harry Hamlin]

You're gonna have to put needles in my feet.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, then I will, because you need to see a death drop. It's phenomenal.

[Harry Hamlin]

Whatever.

[D]

Okay, next one. What do you think chicken cutlets are?

[Harry Hamlin]

Chicken cutlets?

[D]

Uh huh.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, a chicken cutlet is.

[Lisa Rinna]

He doesn't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

Something you fry up in a frying pan and you eat it with, like, summer squash or something. What is a chicken cutlet?

[D]

It sounds delicious.

[Harry Hamlin]

I mean, I could go down a certain rabbit hole here. I'm not gonna go down that one.

[Lisa Rinna]

Eve, tell em what a chicken cutlet is.

[D]

Okay, so a chicken cutlet is a little insert that drag queens use to create the illusion of cleavage.

[Lisa Rinna]

So you put it in for your boobs and make boobs.

[Harry Hamlin]

To make your boobs look like you've got some.

[D]

Exactly.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay. I'm a chicken cutlet.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

All right.

[D]

That was a tough one. Okay, the next one is. What does it mean to beat your face?

[Harry Hamlin]

To beat your face. Do you know what that means? To beat your face? Well, to beat my face. Okay, so if I was going to beat my face.

[Lisa Rinna]

Look, he doesn't know.

[Harry Hamlin]

I don't. Some images are coming up for me that are definitely X rated. I don't want to go there. So what is. What does beating your face mean?

[Lisa Rinna]

You can say, tell the real. I know what it is, but tell the real.

[D]

Yeah. So basically it means to do a fantastic job on your makeup and blend your makeup really well. So if a drag queen has done a really good job on her makeup, you say, oh, my God, that is an amazing beat. You beat your face. Great job.

[Lisa Rinna]

When you pound in powder and you beat it down. So you are beat. Your face is beat.

[Harry Hamlin]

So that's when. When someone looks like their face is plastic.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it just looks really like you are. You are snatched. Your makeup is snatched. Flawless.

[Harry Hamlin]

What does it mean, snatched? I know what a snatch is. How can you snatch Your face snatched.

[Lisa Rinna]

Is a good thing. If you're snatched, you're like, everything's tight and. Right.

[D]

The cheekbones are sitting high. The highlight is on.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, you're just looking.

[D]

Everything's blended.

[Harry Hamlin]

I only have one snatch in my life that I pay attention to.

[D]

What's that?

[Harry Hamlin]

You'd have to do. You know what a snatch is?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. No, it's your vagina.

[Harry Hamlin]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, it's a vagina. See, I'm teaching you.

[Harry Hamlin]

I got something that you don't.

[Lisa Rinna]

Vagina.

[D]

I am being educated.

[Lisa Rinna]

Vagina.

[D]

Love it. Okay, next one. What is eleganza extravaganza?

[Harry Hamlin]

That would definitely be something. Eleganza extravaganza. I don't know. I mean, that's something that would take place in Las Vegas.

[Lisa Rinna]

It could kind of. Good guess.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. It's something possessing extreme elegance, sometimes a Runway category that they do on Drag Race.

[Harry Hamlin]

Eleganza extravaganza.

[Lisa Rinna]

Eleganza extravaganza.

[D]

She's got it.

[Harry Hamlin]

All right.

[D]

Okay, next one. What does it mean if something is sickening?

[Harry Hamlin]

Sickening?

[D]

Sickening.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, you know, the girls use terms. My kids use terms like that to say something's really amazing. There you go.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yay.

[D]

He got one.

[Harry Hamlin]

So. All right.

[Lisa Rinna]

He got one.

[D]

Nailed it, Harry. Okay. What does it mean to see that walk?

[Harry Hamlin]

Say it again? That walk. I mean, to be walking down the Runway or something. I mean, I don't know.

[D]

What is it?

[Harry Hamlin]

You tell me.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, it's to, like, really, you know, throw your hips and really, like, sashay away.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I think I got that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. I mean, you're close.

[D]

Yeah.

[Harry Hamlin]

Give me that. I'm a straight guy. You're throwing me all these gay terms.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, we'll give it to you.

[D]

We'll give it. Yeah, we'll give you that one. Okay. What do you think a drag mother is?

[Harry Hamlin]

A drag mother would be the mother of some drag queen? Yeah.

[D]

Yeah, pretty much. And not. Not a real mother in a biological.

[Lisa Rinna]

Sense, but, like, chosen.

[D]

Exactly.

[Harry Hamlin]

Like a chosen mother mentor. Someone who mentors who teaches you. Teaches you how to be a drag queen.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly. And teaches you about life. Because a lot of these kids, these drag kids were ostracized from their families, so they had no one. And so these drag mothers would take them in and teach them about life, not just about drag.

[Harry Hamlin]

So someone who came out and their parents turned their backs on them.

[Lisa Rinna]

You mean, disowned them and kicked them out.

[Harry Hamlin]

There's somebody like that on the set of Mayfair Witches. One of the guys in the crew whose parents he came out. He's from Shreveport, Louisiana. He came out and he hasn't seen his parents in years. All of his friends, his church, everybody ostracized him. Yeah. Really tragic.

[Lisa Rinna]

Really tragic. And so a drag mother, I think, is a really. They're amazing humans because they take on, you know, usually more than one kid. So they'll have a whole house. A whole house of.

[Harry Hamlin]

You know, so they have a house.

[Lisa Rinna]

That they rent out rooms or they live in. In New York. I mean, this was a big thing. I never. I don't think I ever showed you Paris is Burning, but everybody should see Paris is Burning because it is one of those documentaries that is truly extraordinary about drag culture and where it came from and the survivors and the drag mothers and the houses. The different houses. And they all have different names. It is. I mean, I've seen it 10 times.

[Harry Hamlin]

I bet you have. And once again, that's gonna be tough to get me to see that one. But maybe. I mean, you might convince me to sit down.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think you'd be fascinated by it. I think it's a fascinating. Really well known.

[Harry Hamlin]

I'm a curious person and I'm curious about stuff like that. So, yeah, I'll watch it.

[D]

Have you watched Pose?

[Lisa Rinna]

Love Pose?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, I watched all of it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So Pose, Ryan Murphy's show was taken from that time.

[Harry Hamlin]

I remember walking through the room with you when you were watching Pose.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Harry Hamlin]

I never stopped and watched with you.

[Lisa Rinna]

But that's.

[Harry Hamlin]

If Alone was on downstairs, that's where I was going.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. And I wasn't. So there you go. All right. It's a good thing we have an upstairs and a downstairs.

[Harry Hamlin]

There you go.

[D]

Thank God for that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thank God for that.

[D]

Okay, next one. Harry, this is an acronym. What do you think C U N T stands for?

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, I know what it stands for.

[D]

But in drag language, it's an acronym.

[Lisa Rinna]

What does it stand for?

[Harry Hamlin]

See you next Thursday.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, close. See you next Tuesday.

[Harry Hamlin]

What? Tuesday. Thursday. They both start with a T. Who gives a shit?

[D]

Well, I think you're thinking of something else, Lisa.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, it's not.

[D]

What I have is charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent.

[Lisa Rinna]

I am off. Yeah, I'm off.

[Harry Hamlin]

Charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent.

[Lisa Rinna]

I didn't know that. I'm thinking the other way.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I learned something new, too.

[Harry Hamlin]

Good for you.

[D]

Okay, last one. And you actually already said this, but I'm curious if Harry clocked it.

[Harry Hamlin]

Sashay away to sashay ways to. Yeah, I don't know. Swing your hips when you're walking away or something. What is it?

[Lisa Rinna]

To sashay. Time to go. You are banished. Bye. Bye.

[Harry Hamlin]

Oh, sashay or when Sashay.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, when I do this with.

[Harry Hamlin]

My hand, you do that to me. It really pisses me off. You say I do this.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's so funny. And that's what sashay.

[Harry Hamlin]

What she's doing right now is she's flicking me away with her hand and yeah, it really pisses me off when you do that. And it's like, get out of here. You know, you're worthless.

[Lisa Rinna]

Being a powerful hand gesture.

[Harry Hamlin]

It's very limp wristed if you ask me.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love it. I love it.

[D]

Okay, that was fun. Fun. You just pretty.

[Harry Hamlin]

Well, thanks for listening, guys.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thanks for listening. See you next time. Woo. Thanks for listening to our show. You can catch new episodes every Friday.

[Harry Hamlin]

And don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss anything.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, and if you liked what you.

[Harry Hamlin]

Heard, consider leaving us a rating or review. And make sure to tell all your friends too. I mean like everyone you know and their mother.

[Lisa Rinna]

If you have a question for or you need advice, God help you. Leave a voicemail using the link in our show notes. We might just answer your question in a future episode. Now you can find us on social media Lisarina on Instagram. And then I'm sirenaofficial on TikTok.

[Harry Hamlin]

And I'm harryrhamlin on Instagram.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right.

[Harry Hamlin]

So see you next week.

[Lisa Rinna]

Until then, let's not talk about the husband. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.