Does love ever really end?

One thing about love is that it rarely prepares you for its own ending. It doesn't give you a manual for what to do when the marriage ends, when the house burns down, when the person you built your life around is suddenly gone. And you're left asking: where does love go when it ends?

In Episode 5 of Real Love Ready, Robin sits down with her dear friend John Kim, known as The Angry Therapist, a licensed therapist, author, and co-founder of Soulprint Media, who has lived this question in every possible form. His first marriage ended at 35, and instead of hiding the wreckage, he blogged the whole breakdown in real time. His honesty became a movement. Last year, he lost his home in the Altadena fires and everything he had built was gone in a single night.

This conversation is deeply personal. John opens up about loss, the grief, the guilt of moving on too fast, and what it looks like to model vulnerability as a pathway to healing. Together, Robin and John challenge the myth that endings mean failure. Relationships transform. And in that transformation, if we are willing to look, there is gold.

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Next week, Robin sits down with Bob Dalton to explore what it means to build belonging and why community holds us through the hardest chapters of our lives. Episode 6: Home: Where Love Lives.

IN THIS EPISODE

(00:00:00) Introduction

(00:04:00) Does Love Actually End?

(00:07:45) The Angry Therapist Origin Story

(00:12:32) What Emotional Unavailability Really Looks Like

(00:14:38) How John Became Emotionally Aware

(00:17:36) Why Not All Breakups Are the Same

(00:20:12) The Day John Lost Everything

(00:27:16) Navigating Different Grief

(00:32:30) The Power of Grieving Together

(00:37:00) Why Heartbreak Lives in Your Body

(00:42:28) How John Got Into Men's Work

(00:48:31) How a House Fire started a Publishing Company

(01:03:44) Divorce as the Greatest Catalyst

(01:06:05) Myths of Heartbreak & Defining Love

QUOTES

"My divorce was the hardest thing I've ever gone through. But the greatest thing that's ever happened to me. That repositioning has given me so much.” - John Kim

“Just because I was the one that made the decision doesn't mean that I wasn't completely heartbroken." - Robin Ducharme

"I don't think love ends. I think if you look at love like energy, it changes form.” - John Kim

ABOUT THE GUEST

John Kim is a licensed therapist, author, co-founder of Soulprint Media, and founder of The Angry Therapist. He is the author of I Used to Be a Miserable Fck*, Single on Purpose, Breakup on Purpose, and It's Not Me, It's You, co-authored with his wife Vanessa Bennett. His new book Love Hard is available June 6th. He also hosts The Angry Therapist podcast.

Instagram: @theangrytherapist

Website: theangrytherapist.com

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