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Foreign. Secretary of State Marco Rubio took the administration's message about its strikes on Venezuela to the Sunday talk shows this morning. It did not go well. Asked by George Stephanopoulos of ABC's this Week under what legal authority the US is going to run Venezuela, as Trump vowed to do, Rubio served up a lot of words but ultimately fell back on the idea that the US has economic leverage over Venezuela because it can seize sanctioned oil tankers. Seizing ships will give the US Power to force the Venezuelan government to do as the US Wants, Rubio suggested. This is a very different message than President Donald J. Trump delivered yesterday when he claimed that the people standing behind him on the stage, including Rubio, would be running Venezuela. When Stephanopoulos asked Rubio if he was indeed running Venezuela, Rubio again suggested that the US Was only pressuring the Venezuelan government by seizing sanctioned oil tankers and said he was involved in those policies. When Kristen Welker of NBC's Meet the Press also asked if Rubio was running Venezuela, Rubio seemed frustrated that people are fixating on that. Here's the bottom line on it is we expect to see changes in Venezuela. Historian Kevin Cruz commented, yeah, people are fixating on a cabinet secretary being given a sovereign country to run because the president waged war without congressional approval and kidnapped the old leader. Weird that they'd get hung up on that. When Stephanopoulos asked why the administration thought it didn't need congressional authorization for the strikes, Rubio said they didn't need congressional approval because the US did not invade or occupy another country. The attack, he said, was simply a law enforcement operation to arrest Maduro. Rubio said something similar yesterday, but Trump immediately undercut that argument by saying the US Intended to take over Venezuela's oil fields and run the country. Indeed, if the strikes were a law enforcement operation, officials will need to explain how officers managed to kill so many civilians as well as members of security forces. Mariana Martinez of the New York Times reported today that the number of those killed in the operation has risen to 80. Rubio highlighted again that the Trump administration wants to control the Western Hemisphere, and he went on to threaten Cuba. Simon Rosenberg of the Hopium Chronicles articulated the extraordinary smallness of the Trump administration's vision when he wrote, we must also marvel at the titanic idiocy of our new Don Row doctrine, for it turns America from a global power into a regional one by choice. I still can't really believe they are going through with this, for it is so bad effing crazy and does so much lasting harm to Our interests. Shortly after Trump told reporters yesterday that Venezuela's former vice president, now President Delsey Rodriguez, is essentially willing to do what we think is necessary to make Venezuela great again, Rodriguez demanded Maduro's return and said Venezuela would never again be a colony of any empire, whatever its nature. Indeed, US Extraction of Maduro and threats to run Venezuela are more likely to boost the Maduro government than weaken it. In a phone call today with Michael Scherer of the Atlantic, Trump threatened Rodriguez, saying that if she doesn't do what's right, she is going to pay a very big price, probably bigger than Maduro. Tonight on Air Force One, Trump told reporters that the US not, not Rodriguez, is in charge of Venezuela. Trump also told Scherer that he does indeed intend to continue to assert U.S. control in the Western Hemisphere, telling Scherer that we do need Greenland, absolutely we need it for defense. Greenland is part of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO, meaning it is already part of U.S. national defense. Although he ran for office on the idea of getting the US out of the business of foreign intervention, Trump embraced the idea of regime change in Venezuela, telling, you know, rebuilding there and regime change, anything you want to call it is better than what you have right now can't get any worse. He continued, rebuilding is not a bad thing. In Venezuela's case, the country's gone to hell and it's a failed country. It's a totally failed country. It's a country that's a disaster in every way. At strength in numbers, G. Elliot Morris noted that military intervention in Venezuela is even more unpopular with the American people than Trump's tariffs and health care cuts. In September, only 16% of Americans wanted a U.S. invasion of Venezuela with with 62% against it. A December poll showed that 60% of likely voters opposed sending American troops into Venezuela to remove President Maduro from power. Only 33% approved. Even support for strikes against the small boats in the Caribbean could not get majority support. 53% opposed them, while only 42% approved. By the time American forces touched Venezuelan soil early Saturday morning, Morris writes, Trump had already lost the public. But officials in the administration no longer appear to care what the American people want, instead simply gathering power into their own hands for the benefit of themselves and their cronies, trusting that Republican politicians will go along and and the American people will not object enough to force the issue. The refusal of the Department of Justice to obey the clear direction of the Epstein Files Transparency act seems to have been a test of Congress's resolve, and so far it is a gamble the administration appears to be winning. Morris notes that a December CBS poll showed that 75% of Americans, including 50, 58% of Republicans, correctly believed a president must get approval from Congress before taking military action against Venezuela. The president did not get that approval. By law, the president must inform the Gang of Eight before engaging in military strikes. But if an emergency situation prevents that notification, then the president must inform the Gang of Eight within 48 hours. The Gang of Eight is made up of the top leaders of both parties in both chambers of Congress, as well as the top leaders from both parties on the House and Senate Intelligence Committees. Representative Jim Himes, a Democrat of Connecticut who as ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee is a member of the Gang of8, told CBS's Margaret Brennan this morning that neither he nor House Minority Leader and fellow Gang of Eight member Hakeem Jeffries, a Democrat of New, had been briefed on the strikes. Himes said, I was delighted to hear that Tom Cotton, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has been in regular contact with the administration. I've had zero outreach, and no Democrat that I'm aware of has had any outreach whatsoever. So apparently we're now in a world where the legal obligation to keep the Congress informed only applies to your party, which is really something. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, a Democrat of New York, also a member of the Gang of Eight, told reporters that he hadn't been briefed either and that the administration had deliberately misled Congress in three classified briefings before the strikes. In those briefings, officials assured lawmakers that the administration was not planning to take military action in Venezuela and was not pursuing regime change. They've kept everyone in the total dark, he said. Nonetheless, Himes told Brennan that he thought Trump's Venezuelan adventure would not go well. We're in the euphoria period of acknowledging across the board that Maduro was a bad guy and that our military is absolutely incredible. This is exactly the euphoria we felt in 2002 when our military took down the Taliban In Afghanistan, in 2003 when our military took out Saddam Hussein, and in 2011 when we helped remove Muammar Gaddafi from power in Libya. These were very, very bad people, by the way, much, much worse than Maduro in Venezuela, which was never a significant national security threat to the United States. But we're in that euphoria phase. And what we learned the day after the euphoria phase is that it's an awful lot easier to break a country than it is to actually do what the president prom do, which is to run it. Let's let my Republican colleagues enjoy their day of euphoria. But they're going to wake up tomorrow morning knowing what My God, there is no plan here, any more than there was in Afghanistan, Iraq or in Libya. Representative Ted Lieu, a Democrat of California, was more direct. The US Attack on Venezuela is illegal, he posted. Congress never authorized this use of military force. I will vote to stop it. This is insane. Health care costs and food prices are surging. Trump's response is we're going to run another country. Bats crazy.
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Letters from an American was written and read by Heather Cox Richardson. It was produced at Soundscape Productions, Dead in Massachusetts, recorded with music composed by Michael Moss.