Is AI Coming for our Job? Drug Testing Supercross Riders, & What Is Stressing Micah Out

Summary

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Life Wide Open with CboysTV

Episode: Is AI Coming for our Job? Drug Testing Supercross Riders, & What Is Stressing Micah Out

Date: June 3, 2025

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Overview

In this lively and wide-ranging episode, the CboysTV crew dives into topics ranging from their latest golf obsessions, the real-world impacts and ethical dilemmas of AI in content creation, drug testing controversies in professional sports (especially Supercross), managing stress as creators, and personal stories—always delivered with their signature blend of humor, roast sessions, and camaraderie.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Golf Takes Over Their Lives

• The group is hooked on golf, much to the amusement (and slight frustration) of those around them.
  • CJ talks about golfing so much his girlfriend jokingly called him "old."
    • "The amount that you guys are going, it's like, only old people can golf that much." – CJ (01:28)
  • Ken struggles but gets encouragement for sticking with it, despite hitting parked cars and even a clubhouse.
    • "But 14 balls last time I played with them." – CJ (04:26)
    • "You sometimes make some really solid contact... that's why we're out here, Ken." – Ben (04:32)
  • The crew jokes about lefty vs righty swings, drinking ambidextrously, and pokes fun at each other’s skills.

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2. The “Gay Finger” Theory & Huberman Data

• Ben brings up a stat from Andrew Huberman about finger length ratios and sexual orientation.
  • Crew measures their own fingers, speculates, and calls it “mind blowing.”
    • "If your pointer finger is longer than your ring finger, you didn't get a certain amount of hormone at birth... holds up with people that are homosexual." – Ben (07:58)
  • They playfully discuss whether the theory holds up, with lots of self-deprecating jokes and no shortage of teasing.
  • A guest expert (clip) clarifies the science:
    • "It's called the D2 to D4 ratio... It's directly related to how much testosterone you were exposed to in utero." (11:09)

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3. Dealing with Phone Spam and Leaked Numbers

• CJ describes his phone number getting leaked, resulting in floods of calls from finance bros and mortgage lenders (not fans).
  • "I've probably gotten 50...[calls]" – CJ (14:21)
  • The group debates how to handle spam calls and whether to silence unknown numbers.
  • They reflect on the chaos of having too many group chats for their different activities and business.

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4. Enhanced Games & Drugs in Sports

• The “Enhanced Games”: Olympic-style event with no drug tests.
  • Ryan introduces the Enhanced Games, where performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) are encouraged:
    • "It would allow athletes to use performance enhancing substances...prepare for world records to be broken." – Ryan (17:38)
  • The group debates the premise—would it “level the playing field” or ruin the meaning of records?
  • They riff on famous athletes caught doping (Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, etc.)
  • Discussion turns to stricter drug testing in Supercross and other sports:
    • "James Stewart...got banned for Adderall." – Evan (20:12)
  • Evan describes his own drug testing experience racing in Europe:
    • "You come off the track...a guy watches you pee..." (21:36)
  • They explore the blurry lines between banned substances found in supplements and the rigorous, sometimes intrusive, testing that follows.

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5. Performance Enhancing Drugs, Liver King, and Supplement Culture

• The group reacts to the Liver King documentary, exposing con artistry in the supplement business.
  • "He kind of just admitted that he's been a con artist his whole life." – Ben (24:27)
  • They discuss his rise to fame, origins as a supplement peddler, and net worth:
    • "$310 million? Yeah, dude, I'd eat a couple horse balls or whatever for $310 million." – Mike (27:27)
  • Musings on the blurred lines of being natural (“natty”) and the reality that even if you are, “people think you’re on [steroids] anyway.” (28:50)
  • Health consequences are acknowledged—shrinking testicles, sperm side effects, and more.
  • There's talk about how PEDs help with recovery and why some athletes risk it.

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6. Hair Pills, Birth Control, and Stress (with a side of Stand-Up Comedy)

• The crew riff on Andrew Schulz's comedy about hair loss medication acting like birth control.
  • "This pill is just that awesome?...it's like birth control and it helps me grow my hair back." – Ryan (30:40)
• Ryan shares his own experiences, noting improvements in hair shedding, and they joke about going gray “from stress.”
• They compare “good” stress (big life changes, creative deadlines) and “bad” stress (unnecessary anxiety, regretting wild nights).
  • “Is the stress worth it? That’s where I evaluate...Is this going to cause me stress or make my life more simple?” – CJ (34:59)
  • “You have to build up a tolerance to stress.” – Ben (33:29)
  • “You need a little bit of stress, though, to keep you sharp.” – Ben (32:36)
  • Differentiating “fabricated” (self-inflicted) vs “actual” (external) stress:
    • “Women want to plan something, and then all of a sudden they're all stressed out...But I do the same thing.” – Ryan (36:07)
    • “The Sunday scaries are a real thing, dude.” – CJ (38:29)

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7. Nightlife, D.D. (Designated Driver) Woes & Party Vehicle History

• The crew recount designated driver drama and the temptations of late-night fast food.
• Stories of piling friends into Sprinter vans, limos, and school buses are told with wistful nostalgia.
  • "We could probably just sell the Sprinter van at this point." – CJ (44:13)
  • "There's probably nothing better [than] a couple drinks and...the Sprinter van with all the boys. It's way better than being in a bar." – Evan (47:34)
  • “It's more fun when there's less people [in the van].” – Ben (47:59)
• They debate selling or keeping their current party vehicles and reflect on the unique “community” these rides foster.

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8. Vanity Plates & Getting Pulled Over

• Ryan tells a detailed story about getting pulled over in his Viper for running with just a paper registration.
  • Cops confused by paperwork, tired of YouTuber hijinks, and a bit starstruck when realizing they’re talking to CboysTV.
    • "He goes, do you know them kids?...I don't personally know them, but they know me. We have a YouTube channel." – Ryan (53:37)

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9. AI in Content Creation: Is Automation Coming for the Cboys’ Jobs?

• Mike voices concern about AI potentially threatening content creators, YouTubers, and even podcasters.
  • “I think AI is coming for our job.” – Mike (54:00)
• They watch new Google AI video samples that create entire “MrBeast-style” videos from nothing but prompts.
  • “It’s pretty realistic.” – Mike (55:08)
• Group points out the “uncanny valley”—slightly off facial features, odd voices—and ponder if audiences will be able to tell the difference for long.
• They discuss real brands advertising using AI-generated models; someone notes how “the fingers are always a giveaway” (56:49).
• Broader discussion of AI's potential to create convincing fake evidence and its implications for real-world issues (e.g., Epstein, Diddy trials).
  • “Presumably...you just [claim] ‘that’s AI, that isn’t me.’” – Mike (63:04)
• Mike demonstrates making his own AI video, finds it tough to get desirable results yet concedes the tech is evolving rapidly.

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10. Outdoor Boys, Viral Fame & Creator Retirement

• CJ and Ryan reflect on YouTube’s “Outdoor Boys” channel, a viral success story of a regular guy who became an online superstar.
  • "He got so famous now, if I continue on this trajectory, I will not be able to like leave the house..." – CJ (59:39)
• They admire his decision to walk away at the peak, noting the rare ability for a creator to stop before burning out.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On supplement fraud: “He kind of just admitted that he's been a con artist his whole life.” – Ben (24:27)
• On stress: “Is the stress worth it? That’s where I evaluate...Is this going to cause me stress or make my life more simple?” – CJ (34:59)
• On AI in content: “I think AI is coming for our job.” – Mike (54:00)
• On PEDs in sports: “James Stewart for supercross...got banned for Adderall.” – Evan (20:12)
• On outdoor creators: "He grew up in Alaska and he has, like, the most wild pocket knife of skills of surviving off of nothing." – CJ (59:05)
• Joking about the future: “All I know is if...I do anything embarrassing, dude, it was AI last night. Wasn't me.” – Mike (64:18)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Golf segment kicks off: 00:00 – 05:30
• Finger ratio/Homosexuality science: 07:08 – 13:50
• Phone number leak & group chat chaos: 14:00 – 17:10
• The Enhanced Games & Supercross drug testing: 17:26 – 23:50
• Liver King doc & natty/steroid debates: 24:25 – 30:10
• Hair pills stress/jokes: 30:12 – 32:14
• Good vs bad stress & major life changes: 33:14 – 36:52
• Nightlife, DD stories & party vehicles: 41:01 – 48:16
• Ryan’s Viper pullover vanity plate story: 49:29 – 53:59
• AI threatens content creation: 54:00 – 56:39
• Outdoor Boys/YouTube fame: 57:23 – 59:49
• Mike’s own AI-generated video experiment: 61:01 – 62:10

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Tone & Style

• Relatable, irreverent, and full of friendly roast sessions and asides.
• Frequent use of inside jokes, self-mockery, and group teasing.
• Open, candid, and tangential—serious issues are explored but rarely without levity.

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Conclusion

This episode of “Life Wide Open” showcases CboysTV at their best—mixing earnest conversation with sharp humor and a willingness to discuss the weird, the wild, and the controversial. Whether they’re musing about AI threatening their jobs or the challenges of being a content creator in a world of instant virality, the boys keep it real and entertaining.

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Transcript

[Mike]

What hand do you drink with when you pick up a drink?

[Ben]

Both hands, double fist. Phone number get leaked, Dude.

[CJ]

Yes. Oh, it sucks, but not how you would think.

[Ryan]

It's like birth control, and it helps me grow my hair back. He's like, why isn't anybody talking about this?

[Mike]

I'm just glad there's one other golfer here as bad as me.

[CJ]

Yeah, dude. It's, like, fully taking over our lives.

[Mike]

I think AI is coming for our job.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Not looking so dumb for spending all that money on them clubs now, am I?

[Ryan]

Not at all, bro. CJ's got to be matched. You or over you?

[Mike]

Other than that, you guys golf multiple times a week, and I still haven't even looked at the course.

[Ken]

Was the last time you golfed for Ben's birthday?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Ken]

Which was the first time you used your clubs?

[CJ]

Yes. Yeah, dude. It's, like, fully taken over our lives.

[Mike]

Yeah, it really is. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I don't want to, like, impose, but I haven't gotten the invite, and I don't know if I'm, like, worried about slowing you guys down or something, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah.

[CJ]

It's kind of an open invite, though. It's like everyone goes, yeah.

[Mike]

It's just like, I don't know. And then I, like, go home, and then it's like, oh, wow, we're golfing.

[Ken]

You got the membership, right?

[Mike]

I didn't. I knew I wasn't going to golf that much.

[Ken]

Well, it's kind of like you have the membership, you might as well use it. So you just go, I have so.

[Mike]

Many things that I have that I might as well use. I had to, like, draw the line somewhere.

[CJ]

Yeah, you do. Yeah. We've been golfing so much. Greta was just like. She was kind of getting on me the other day of, like, just, you guys are golfing so much. It's like you're. You're just really old.

[Ryan]

I was like, that's fine.

[CJ]

I was like, is that bad? She was like, it's just, like, such an old person thing to do. And, like, the amount that you guys are going, it's like, only old people can golf that much. And I think she was trying to make me be like, you're right. I should stop golfing as well.

[Ben]

Golf is not as cool as we think it is.

[CJ]

Yeah. And. But I was just like, yeah, I guess I'm growing up.

[Mike]

Just backfired on her.

[Ryan]

It's another week. We're fired up about golf. We won't bore you with it too much longer.

[Mike]

I do have one more thing to say. I was driving. I take the back way to the shop now, like there's the highway, there's the normal way and then there's the back way. So I've been taking the scenic route. You know, I figured adds a minute or two to my drive time. But I don't have to sit at every red light as I drive through DL and I drive by all the golf courses and I'm driving down the road this morning in my Hummer and I'm just looking, Looking at the road. Yep, just like this. And I just see this white ball come flying over to the side, bounce on the road in front of me and go over behind my car. And I look, there's about a 71 year old man and all of his buddies standing there.

[Ben]

Were they laughing?

[Mike]

No, they look shocked. Like they were like, oh, actually his buddies were laughing. He looked scared. I pulled right up and hit the brakes and rolled down the window. And he goes, I'm so sorry. And I go, I'm just glad there's one other golfer here as bad as me.

[Ben]

I bet they love that man, Ken, cars.

[Ryan]

Have you hit.

[Ken]

I hit two and then I stopped going to that course.

[Ben]

He hit two park cars hard.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Yep, hard. Like he got a real good hold of it and then sent it in the wrong direction right towards the parking lot. The thing about it though is like.

[CJ]

At that course, it's got to be pretty common. Like the clubhouse gets hit all the time. You've actually hit the clubhouse.

[Ben]

Ben said he's never seen that before.

[CJ]

I'm pretty proud of it. Never seen it. Yeah, I've been playing out there for.

[Ben]

Like, I scared everyone.

[CJ]

That was like, CJ managed.

[Ryan]

Does it hit all the time or. It does.

[CJ]

No, not the hole that C.J. hit it on.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[CJ]

He was still getting his yardage dialed in and he went over the green probably 20 yards, caught concrete and it. And then it bounced again and then it landed up on the roof of the clubhouse, which is tin. And so it was just like it made a ruckus landing and then coming down the whole way. And I was just like, just go to the next hole.

[Ben]

Everyone was looking. I like turned and looked behind me like, who hit that?

[Mike]

Did it drop down into the gutter and like roll out onto the ground like Happy Gilmore style?

[CJ]

But the thing is though, Ken is like, where that parking lot is, it's just kind of a flawed design where like, dude, if you're hitting a slice, a gnarly slice, which is like it's more common than just being like a bad golfer. Like there's plenty of golfers that just hit bad. Like you just hit a bad shot. It's golf and it is your fault because you are hitting them. But it's like it's also, I don't know, I wouldn't just completely just chalk it up like I'm never going back there.

[Ben]

Yeah, Ken.

[CJ]

Yeah, we need to get you some lessons, Ken.

[Ken]

I was actually talking with a, the lady about that. Might do it next month.

[Ben]

I am proud of you though, Ken. Like that you're sticking with it cuz like it's pretty rough out there for you. I'm not going to lie.

[CJ]

But 14 balls last time I played with them. Yeah. Really?

[Ken]

Oh, I was down to four last night.

[CJ]

Nice.

[Ben]

It was not.

[CJ]

You played nine.

[Ben]

But yeah, you have some rough hits but you do sometimes make some really solid contact where it goes straight and far. And every time I look at you and I say that's why we're out here, Ken.

[Ken]

And the, the good hits are getting more common. Just, just they're not that common yet.

[Ben]

So proud of you man for sticking with it.

[Mike]

Do you swing lefty?

[Ken]

I don't know. I swing whatever he swings right.

[Ben]

Maybe he's swinging the wrong way.

[Ryan]

That is an insane answer.

[Mike]

That was a crazy answer.

[CJ]

No, Ken, you're a righty. You don't swing right.

[Ryan]

Is your car left hand drive? I don't know.

[Mike]

I just get on the one, the.

[CJ]

Side of the steering wheel that I think Ken, just saying that gives us a lot of clarity of, of what he's doing out on the golf course. What's kind of like he does not know. I don't even know which way he's swinging.

[Ken]

I learned with whatever clubs I learned on. And it's like you can't just unlearn that and start doing it the other way. Like that's just not possible.

[Ben]

So in your righty. I was going to say maybe. I think maybe you need to try lefty.

[CJ]

I think you might be a lefty. You right left handed. You do everything else lefty. I think you might swing a golf club lefty cuz you're so bad swinging right.

[Mike]

I mean that actually makes sense. I was wondering if you were trying to hit lefty and maybe there was like an unlocked skill you had.

[Ken]

No, I don't know. I, I, I think at this point I'm, I'm slowly getting better. So there's no, no reason just throw all that away and Start over.

[Mike]

What hand do you drink with? Like when you pick up a drink.

[CJ]

Both hands, double fists in it normally, like a baby.

[Ken]

Well, no, you got. You got one drink in the left hand, one drink in the right hand.

[Mike]

There you go. At least you got that one figured out.

[CJ]

So what's going on here?

[Mike]

Well, I just figured we hadn't seen Randy in a little bit and he was just sitting over there lonely on the concrete floor, so I brought him up here.

[CJ]

Dude, how hard was he to get up here?

[Ken]

He dragged me into it, so I.

[CJ]

Know I walked up.

[Ryan]

Ken and Ryan, you knocked over the light. The tripod's getting bounced that way.

[Evan]

Why don't.

[Ryan]

He's a big boy.

[CJ]

Why don't we just put like an actual human in. In in place of him named Spencer?

[Ken]

Cuz that would make too much sense.

[Mike]

I don't know. We could. You want to move? You want to take over?

[CJ]

He doesn't provide much value. He's kind of like Evan when he doesn't feel like he has anything to say or add to it. Like, that's probably the same equivalent.

[Mike]

I thought I was like, I don't know.

[Ryan]

Okay, well, let's at least hear what he has to say and then we'll get Spenny in here.

[Ben]

Nice man with few words.

[CJ]

He's more focused on the stunts.

[Mike]

Ken, why don't you come in here and move Randy out of the way.

[Ken]

For us when I need help for that.

[Mike]

I did get them most of the way up the stairs by myself.

[CJ]

Hold on.

[Mike]

There we go. See you, Randy.

[Ben]

This is what it looks like at about 1 in the morning.

[Evan]

Kind of feel bad for taking Randy's spot.

[Ben]

Oh, no, he's tired, dude, he's fine. No, he's. He's chilling. He's just a little tired. He was up late. Anyways, so I was watching this podcast last night with Andrew Huberman, and he put this wild, wild stat out that has been tested five out of five times. And I felt like it was applicable to us because, not that we have a problem with anyone being gay, but like, we've just been speculating some people of our friends and our group that could possibly be gay. So anyways, if everyone could just hold out their. Their hand here, tell which. Which finger is longer. Either your ring finger or your pointer.

[Evan]

My ring's longer than my pointer.

[Ben]

Ryan, how you looking?

[Mike]

What?

[Ben]

Which one's longer?

[Ryan]

Ryan?

[Mike]

I have the same as spinny.

[Ben]

Okay, that's good, Mike. Okay.

[Mike]

Ring is longer than pointer.

[Ken]

They're pretty close, but the ring Is longer.

[Ben]

Okay. Well, anyways, if your pointer finger is longer than your ring finger, you, like, didn't get a certain amount of, like, a hormone at birth. And they've found that, like, it holds up with, like, people that are homosexual.

[Evan]

I got two gay cousins. Should we call them up and chat?

[CJ]

Yes, call them up and chat. Actually, yeah, I got. Actually, I got a gay buddy. I got a gay buddy. I'll call up. Right.

[Ben]

So straight up, I was just, like, mind blowing because he said that, and I was like, wow, I wonder. Maybe need to take this to the boys.

[Ryan]

So you took this. This information from this podcast, Face Value? It's true.

[Ben]

No.

[Ryan]

Okay.

[Ben]

But I just. I wanted. You know, I think it could mean something, so I just wanted to, you.

[Evan]

Know, just put it to the test.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Ken]

I never realized this before, but the. The index finger on my right hand is, like, a little bit longer than the one on my left.

[Ben]

Which one's your index finger?

[Ryan]

Pointer finger.

[Ben]

Your pointer finger is longer than your.

[Ken]

No, no, it's. It's still shorter than the ring finger. But, like, my right one is. You can tell it's longer.

[Ben]

Okay.

[CJ]

All right, let me call my buddy.

[Ryan]

Ryan.

[Mike]

Hello?

[Ben]

Sorry, man.

[Mike]

Just because you have one friend who consistently hangs out with you, then. Then all of a sudden you're in love with them?

[Evan]

Give him a call.

[CJ]

Wait, you have two cousins that are also gay? I just have one. Sorry. Is that. Is that weird to ask them?

[Evan]

I don't think so. They're pretty cool.

[Ken]

Just don't give them any context.

[Ben]

He'll be cool.

[Evan]

He'll be cool.

[Ben]

Hey, just let me know which finger is longer, your ring finger or your pointer finger. That's all we need to know. Huberman's pretty legit.

[Mike]

So five out of five times, and then now we broke it here.

[Ben]

No, we're not gay, Ryan.

[Mike]

But Ben said I was.

[Ben]

Oh, but, like, there's people who are gay and their pointer fingers were longer than there.

[Mike]

When was the last time you talked to him?

[Evan]

Oh, I talked to him all the time. I hang out with him all the time. I love my cousins.

[Ryan]

I just love. When's the last time you talked to your buddies? Ben, he's like, I FaceTime every single one of my buddies every day.

[CJ]

Every single day, actually.

[Evan]

Every Wednesday.

[Mike]

You're always on the phone Here.

[Evan]

Let's call his boyfriend. He didn't answer.

[Ryan]

Who knows?

[Evan]

They're probably working. I mean, people work in Canada. It's not like around here where everybody just kind of hangs out. Okay.

[Ben]

Anyways, pop this up you want to hear some.

[Guest Expert]

Some wild data on homosexuality and hormones? Okay, so years ago, when I was a graduate student at Berkeley, I was part of a study, I wasn't the main author, that looked at finger length ratios and homosexuality in men and women and how much testosterone was in utero. Now, I don't want anyone to freak out and just start staring at their fingers, but because it has to be measured correctly. All right, all right, so. So if you hold. If you hold up your right hand like I'm holding up my right hand, my ring finger here is a little bit longer than my pointer finger.

[Mike]

Okay, which one's ring finger?

[Guest Expert]

Your ring finger is a little bit longer than your pointer finger.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Guest Expert]

Okay, that is the typical heterosexual male pattern.

[Ryan]

Okay?

[Guest Expert]

Now people are gonna be like, this is bullshit. Listen, this has been replicated more than five times in humans, okay? This pointer finger is smaller than the five times.

[Ben]

Okay?

[Guest Expert]

It's called the D2 to D4 ratio. Scientists are super nerdy. If you look at gay men, men that identify as gay, that difference is much more pronounced. It's directly related to how much testosterone you were exposed to in utero when you were in your mommy's belly.

[Ryan]

Can I put this hand down?

[Guest Expert]

Yeah, so yeah, you can put that hand down. Gay men have a hyper male pattern that the index finger. Excuse me. The pointer finger tends to be relatively shorter than the ring finger.

[Ben]

Oh, so I heard that wrong.

[Ryan]

We got it all wrong.

[Ben]

So it's not whether it's longer, it's whether it's much, significantly shorter. All right, guys, we're not out of the woods here. Everyone put your hands back up.

[CJ]

Well, define the ratio here.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, we might need a tape.

[CJ]

Measure because Spenny's is looking pretty mountainous over there.

[Evan]

Wait, so I don't know, is this.

[Mike]

Just a whole thing to get us to look like this at our nails?

[CJ]

Now, how do we know, cj?

[Ben]

Well, apparently the pointer finger should be significantly shorter. It's not. It's not a matter. Yeah, it's like a bigger difference if it's a. No, no, if it's a bigger difference, then you're.

[CJ]

Then you're not looking good.

[Ben]

Yeah, I heard it wrong the first time. Now we watch a clip.

[Mike]

So then you're, like, dialed then, right, Ken? Because yours are the same.

[Ken]

No, mine are different. My left is different from my right.

[Ben]

You'd rather them not be a huge difference?

[Evan]

Mine's a huge difference.

[Ben]

That is Spenny.

[Evan]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Ben]

He's looking pretty suspicious right now.

[Mike]

There you go, bud.

[Evan]

Yours isn't looking.

[Ben]

Spenny's is, like, textbook.

[Evan]

Oh, he is looking really good, actually. Ryan's looking so good.

[Ben]

Ryan's looking. Looking hetero.

[Evan]

Yeah, looking pretty hetero.

[Ben]

That's a pretty hetero.

[Evan]

I'm definitely not out clean yet, Spenny. But that makes sense because I got my cousin.

[Ben]

Yeah, it might be something biological. Yeah, it might be biological.

[CJ]

And then I somehow in the genetics.

[Evan]

Yeah, I just made it out clean. Not clean, but.

[Ben]

You don't know. Have you ever thought about it?

[Evan]

I've never thought about it.

[Ben]

Well, you should think harder about it.

[Evan]

I feel pretty comfortable.

[Ben]

Ben, you look pretty stumped over there. You good? Pretty quiet.

[CJ]

I'm just trying to figure this out, Ben. Yeah.

[Ben]

Did you not hear him? He said if there's a bigger. They have a bigger difference between them. So they tend to have, like, a much shorter pointer finger.

[CJ]

Gotcha. So that's like how gay you are. The bigger the distance between.

[Mike]

Yeah. What if I have a friend, he lost a portion of this finger. Does that make him, like, super, super duper?

[Ben]

That's outside, not genetic.

[Mike]

Because I think he would be incredibly.

[Ben]

You lose your. Your pointer finger and you're just like.

[CJ]

Hey.

[Ben]

Cut off in a saw.

[Evan]

Needs to be from birth.

[Ben]

Anyways. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. And, you know, we had been. It felt like it was applicable to us, so. And it just had to bring it up. Guys wouldn't care if any of you guys were gay. Just want to say that I'd be happy for you.

[Evan]

Thanks, cj.

[Ben]

Thanks. Be proud to have a gay friend.

[Ryan]

All right.

[Evan]

Nothing wrong.

[CJ]

Anyways, dude, I've been feeling like Ken today. Been getting calls like, crazy phone number get leaked.

[Mike]

Dude.

[CJ]

Yes.

[Ben]

Oh, it sucks.

[CJ]

But not how you would think. It got leaked, I think by my bank. No, because good to know. And I've been getting the worst kind of phone calls. Finance bros have been calling.

[Ryan]

They're not even fans.

[CJ]

No, I've legit, Mike. I've probably gotten 50.

[Evan]

Whoa.

[CJ]

Right here.

[Ben]

Answer.

[CJ]

Watch this.

[Ryan]

Chill.

[Evan]

Ah.

[CJ]

They fucking ended on me.

[Evan]

I've watched your. Like, I saw you hanging up and I was like, damn, Ben's, like, pissed that, dude.

[Ryan]

People are calling way more lame than getting a call from a fan. I just got a call in the meeting, and they're like, it is money, Mike. What are you doing? I'm like, mortgage lending. Oh, yeah.

[CJ]

If you were called by mistake or.

[Ryan]

Would like to be removed from our database. There you go.

[Ken]

You can go into your settings and then it just Silences any unknown phone numbers.

[CJ]

I'm not gonna do that, though, because I actually. I get. I get calls that are, like, important to our business every day. If it's important, have their name.

[Ken]

If it's important, they'll leave a message and then you can call them back right away.

[CJ]

So you still get the messages, but you don't get the notification.

[Ken]

It just silences the phone call and it sends it straight to voicemail.

[CJ]

I might have to resort to that. I was thinking about calling you earlier, but I knew that I was going to get sent straight to voicemail.

[Ben]

Oh, no.

[Ken]

You're my contacts list.

[CJ]

Yeah, dude. It's actually so annoying. I'm assuming I'll probably get, like, 10 more.

[Mike]

So why are you getting so many calls from mortgage brokers?

[CJ]

I have no idea. I'm assuming because I'm buying a new house. I have no idea. That's the only thing that.

[Mike]

Shopping loans.

[CJ]

No. Yeah, it's very whack. So I was put into some kind of database, and, like, the. The finance bros are just feening for it.

[Mike]

Really?

[Ben]

Yeah, dude.

[CJ]

But I've gotten a couple calls today that I actually need to answer.

[Ken]

Ken, do you have them in your contacts list?

[Ryan]

No.

[Ken]

Well, then leave a message. You can call back.

[Ryan]

It's true.

[CJ]

I never check my messages like that, though. Really?

[Mike]

You don't listen to your voicemails?

[Evan]

I don't know.

[CJ]

Sometimes I do, but I find myself.

[Evan]

Just not such a pain.

[CJ]

Dude, I've been finding myself just not even answering, like, texts as much lately either. Like, I've just been getting like.

[Mike]

Yeah, I can tell. Because we'll just, like, make clear set plans and you guys will go. How were we supposed to know about that?

[CJ]

Dude, we got too many group chats.

[Mike]

We do, actually. We need to condense so bad.

[Evan]

CJ literally made a group chat to go golfing last night.

[Mike]

For that.

[Ben]

Well, I just messaged you guys separately. I didn't want to.

[Evan]

I know, but it put us into a group, though. And I was like, what is this Wednesday night golf crew now or something? We got our own chat.

[Mike]

I mean, I feel like we got groups for everything. We got, like, every friend group that is ancillary to ours. Like, it's like a Venn diagram that we, like, grab on all these different circles, and then the six of us are always in the middle of it.

[CJ]

I think it's also tough because, like, we have so many things going on at all times that aren't including, like, one person in the group for, like, surprise reasons.

[Ryan]

Like, which I like, do a pretty good job of. We haven't really ruined many surprises via sending in the wrong group chat, which can get hard to do.

[CJ]

But like with your dirt bike build, had to go and start a new group chat of like, all right, who needs to be in this one? I'm like, okay, now I need one with this group, minus Ken. Do that. And then you got. It's just like a lot to keep straight.

[Ryan]

No, there literally is a group chat with every minus one plus one.

[Guest Expert]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Everyone.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Ever. Okay, boys, I got some news. Have you heard about the Enhanced Games? No, it's pretty crazy. I just heard about the Olympics for people on dogs.

[CJ]

Yeah, that's pretty sweet.

[Ryan]

It's a new thing. The Enhanced Games is a proposed multi sport event founded by Australian businessman Aaron de Souza. It would allow athletes to use performance enhancing substances without being subject to drug tests. And they're like, prepare for world records to be broken. We don't mind if you're doing performance enhancing drugs. We encourage it. Which is pretty insane. So they're. They show and then they're like kind of ad or clickbait per se. For this article was this Olympic swimmer who's now on performance enhancing drugs.

[Evan]

And he looks massive. He's just like, oh, he's like the.

[Ryan]

Biggest swimmer I've ever seen, dude.

[Ben]

Honestly, it might be leveling the playing field. It's kind of like in baseball. I don't know if it's like this anymore, but half of them were juice and half of them weren't. So it's like just on level, you know, so you almost got to assume your opponent's cheating. So like, if they're all using drugs, probably not good for your health. But in terms of. But at least breaking records and performance.

[Ryan]

And probably the most level, no one's cheating.

[CJ]

Yeah, because you're not cheating anymore.

[Ben]

You could do the same thing.

[Ryan]

Yeah. Is that pretty wild?

[Mike]

Have they been doing them? Have they been playing the games or is they like, is every so training for it and they're hyping it?

[Ryan]

The new thing. Yeah.

[Mike]

Okay, so there hasn't been. Because like that's.

[Ryan]

I'm expecting Las Vegas 2026.

[CJ]

That's all it makes sense. But also like any time that somebody breaks a record or does something cool.

[Ryan]

Like everyone should have an asterisk.

[CJ]

It's not going to be legit, but everyone's going to just be like, oh, it only happened because that they're on PDs.

[Mike]

Yeah. But wasn't like Barry Bonds on PD.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And Lance Armstrong, a rod.

[CJ]

I think he got popped.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Mike]

So, like, there's a lot of legend.

[Evan]

Even, like, the best. Some of the best moto dudes got in trouble for, like, drugging and doping, too.

[CJ]

Dude. The Lance Armstrong one is crazy, though. Have you guys watched, like, his Netflix documentary or anything about that?

[Ryan]

So.

[CJ]

Good, because he basically denied it.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[CJ]

For like 15 years or something. A long run of denial. And then it just came out that he was on it.

[Evan]

I think even Michael Phelps, like, the swimmer was.

[Ryan]

He was smoking weed.

[CJ]

Was he?

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's what he think.

[Ben]

I was just hurting him.

[CJ]

Yeah. They look at that as like. Yeah, that's just gonna look that up. Ken, can you performance enhance.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Can you smoke THC and compete in the Olympics? Because that seems like something.

[Ryan]

No, in the last 10 years ago.

[Mike]

That would be super taboo, but now it's the.

[Ryan]

The one. There was a gal runner who, like, one. And then they found out that she, like, smoked weed.

[Ken]

No, it's still banned in the Olympics.

[Ben]

Really be able to win.

[Ken]

I mean, this. This article is from 21, but.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Evan]

James Stewart, for supercross, he got banned for Adderall.

[Mike]

Really?

[CJ]

Really?

[Ryan]

That's right. Yeah. They'll get you for anything.

[Mike]

Yeah, but it's because he wasn't prescribed it or he was prescribed.

[Ryan]

No, you just.

[Evan]

You weren't allowed to use it while racing if. Even if it was a prescription, because it's like, it just makes you focus, I guess.

[Ryan]

I don't know how.

[Evan]

I don't know what the regulation is on it.

[Mike]

So imagine they're like, oh, you're blind. You can't use contacts, bud.

[Ben]

Pro gamers get pop for that, too. Like, I don't know if it's like that anymore, but, like, if you were using, like, Adderall and stuff like that.

[CJ]

As pd, I'm assuming, like, after, for James Stewart, does that show up in a drug test like a piss?

[Evan]

Yeah, I think they would.

[CJ]

Right. If he won, though, like. Yeah, I'm assuming after you won.

[Evan]

After you win.

[CJ]

So that's what I don't understand. Like, are they just not making that clear enough, like, in the rules, like, because someone like James Stewart, like, he's going to win, like, he was winning either way, right?

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[CJ]

So, like, I can't imagine he'd be like, oh, the only way I win is if I take Adderall, you know?

[Ryan]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know.

[Evan]

It's hard to say. It's hard to say because even, like, Christian Craig, another Supercross dude, he got caught for. I don't know what it was, but it was in one of the supplements that he was taking. Like it might have been a pre workout and there was something that was so. It's kind of wild, actually. Even like I got, I got drug tested at a race in Europe. Right after the race, you come off the track and the people are there at the clipboard and they're like, all right, you need to come in this room right now. And you just like, you just came off the track, you're like sweating and you go into a room and a guy watches you pee into a thing and you have to fill out a whole questionnaire and then they send your POA and they like test it and then they call you back and let you know if you're clean, cleaner, positive.

[CJ]

Something similar happened with Ryan Garcia, I think when he got like his last.

[Evan]

Yep.

[CJ]

His last fight.

[Evan]

Stripped off of him.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[CJ]

But I think it was something like in his like, supplements that he was taking.

[Evan]

Yeah, Pre workout. Like, there's a lot of stuff in pre workout. Usually that is.

[CJ]

I was talking to a guy at the gym because I was asking him like, you know, if he had any recommendations of like supplements that I should be taking or like doing anything like that. And he was like, why are you doing like a natty show or. Or can you like be on roids for your bodybuilding? I was like, natty, I think I'm not trying to do steroids. And he was like, all right, well just be careful on some of the pre workouts that you do. Some of the pre workouts, some of those will even show up.

[Evan]

I was always careful because all the racing I didn't is ama. So it's like, I mean, not that I'm going to get caught and then people don't even usually get caught. Like, I think the GNCC guys that are racing those like 3 hour races, I think they're on like HGH and stuff too. And they're like ripping before the races. They're ripping like IVs and stuff so that they're just super hydrated, which in some series you can't even run an iv. Like, I bet you at Olympics you probably can't run an IV during the event just so that you're super, super hydrated.

[CJ]

I mean, during the event, are they.

[Mike]

Riding with an IV that'd be lit.

[Evan]

Night before, the night before, or even.

[Ryan]

In per se, like the two week span.

[Evan]

The two week span, they call it like a vitamin bag. It's just loaded with vitamins. And you just sit there, it drips in, and then you're basically just like super high energy for. For however long.

[Ben]

It is crazy because there's just so many different things you can do to, like, get an edge, dude. Even, like, age, like.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Even in the racing, guys were like, doing this, like, blood spinning, where they spin your blood and put more oxygen into it.

[CJ]

Yeah, yeah. Ozone therapy.

[Evan]

Ozone therapy. And, like, you're not even allowed to do. I don't think supercross. I don't think you're allowed to do that even.

[CJ]

How do they test that?

[Evan]

I don't know how they test it or.

[Mike]

Or what they do, but, man, they're really regulating more things than I even thought were possible. Yeah, I'm excited to see these enhanced games then.

[Evan]

I know.

[Ryan]

I'm excited.

[Mike]

But also super cross rider.

[Ryan]

Kind of to your point. You're like, there's a lot more than what immediately comes to mind. Steroids. Like, you do worry about people just doing all of them.

[Mike]

Yeah. Going too hard.

[CJ]

You guys watch Liver Kings? Netflix documentary.

[Evan]

I've seen it. Yeah.

[Ryan]

Liver King's kind of a meme within our group, so I do have to watch it. Like, we have. Speaking of group chats, we have our main, main, main, main group chat, and that is Liver King as the profile picture, and it has been for years, pretty much since he got famous.

[Mike]

And the group chat name is Primals.

[Ryan]

Yes, yes.

[Mike]

Which is what he would say.

[Ryan]

Primals.

[CJ]

Primals.

[Ben]

I thought it was interesting because at the end, he kind of just admitted that he's just been a con artist his whole life.

[CJ]

I know.

[Mike]

Really?

[Ben]

Yeah. It was crazy. And, like, he, like, almost seemed proud about it. Like, he was. He was kind of, like, smirking about it. And, like, he kind of just pulled another scheme. And this one was a big one, though. A long. Probably super, super profitable.

[CJ]

Like, he even.

[Ben]

Even kind of conned his business partners and everything. Supposedly, like, you know, because they were like. Yeah, I had no idea that he was juicing and all this. And it was interesting, though, because, like, his son, you can just tell, like, in certain shots, he's in the background kind of like. Like, really, Dad's, like, saying some. Some, you know, just character.

[CJ]

And he's kind of just like, still doing this.

[Ben]

Yeah. You know, he knows it's ridiculous. Yeah. It was interesting that he pretty much admitted that he's wild con artist his whole life.

[Mike]

What was his cons before this? Did he have other ones?

[Ben]

Yeah, he was saying, like, he, like, figured out how to return.

[CJ]

Return Things supplements and nutrition at like GNC without having like a receipt. But he worked at gnc, so he basically worked there and then figured out that like they would give you a full refund if you didn't like the product. So he would just like get returns and then go to another GNC and return them and then get a full refund. And like he was like falsifying receipts and stuff.

[Mike]

Oh, he would take other people's returns.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[CJ]

But that was just one thing. And then he was like, ah. And then I was like, you know, I was selling drugs and I was, I was making drugs and I turned into a full on chemist in my, in my apartment, you know, I'm assuming making like.

[Ryan]

So he is.

[CJ]

I don't know what that looks like.

[Ben]

But he.

[CJ]

It was weird because it like built him up. Like the whole doc of like, you know, everything that he was doing. And then at like the end, you know, it all came out that he was juicing or, you know, he was on steroids. Who would have thought the most ripped guy you've ever seen in your entire life is on steroids? And then I didn't think it was like that crazy because I was just like, everyone, I feel like, knew that.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[CJ]

And then he kind of like, yeah, you know, I. I've kind of been like shady my whole life without like saying it directly like that. And then he said like all the different things that he did and then it kind of just ended. There was like.

[Ben]

And he was like kind of smirking about it all.

[CJ]

They had to do like, they kind of dirty like that. And it, it was definitely like the payoff of the whole thing, right?

[Mike]

Yeah. Did he do the documentary? Like, did he line it up?

[CJ]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike]

I mean, he's in it.

[CJ]

In it they filmed like his whole life. Like when he got famous. They pretty much was really interesting to see like the documentaries of, you know, a lot of people like that dude, they just have like doc crews following them around. Cool.

[Ryan]

I like to see that.

[CJ]

It's really cool. Like when someone like that is like rising to fame. It's wild that they just have like enough like instinct to be like, yeah, we should just film everything from here.

[Mike]

Yeah, we better just cash out on the documentary at the end.

[CJ]

Yeah. Which is kind of how it was.

[Mike]

You think Liver King's good? Like he could. He did this doc and like basically shot himself in the foot for his trustworthiness for the rest of his life. But you think he's good on money?

[CJ]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike]

For the rest of his life?

[CJ]

Sure, bro. He's making $100 million a year.

[Mike]

Worst case is or was.

[Ben]

Net worth is 310.

[Mike]

310 million? Yeah, dude, I need a couple horse balls or whatever it was for 310 million.

[CJ]

But he was rich before he got famous.

[Mike]

How do you get rich before? Like you said, he's been scheming.

[CJ]

He's doing, like, the ancestral living. And then he started, like, he was, like, genuinely doing that.

[Ryan]

He was making his social media money.

[CJ]

No, no, no, no. So he was ripped, right? He was rich. He was ripped. He had his, like, ancestral living company, like, selling these supplements and, like, this nutrition. That's like ancestral living, right? Without. Without straight up eating, like, testicles and shit. It was before social media. And then he went to, like, this marketing firm and was basically like, I want you to help me get a million followers. And then this marketing firm just saw this beefcake of a guy, and they were like, okay, well, we could probably do that. They just started trying things, and then, like, pretty much within, like, a month of hiring this marketing firm, he blew up.

[Mike]

Wow.

[CJ]

He was, like, always making, like, the good morning, like, walk in the woods. And they would get, like, a hundred likes.

[Mike]

Wow.

[CJ]

Like, years. And then he, like, switched up with his marketing firm, and then the marketing firm at the end was like. We felt like we were lied to when he came out like, that. He was doing drugs. I was like, you guys protect yourselves.

[Mike]

Yeah, they did what they did. They marketed.

[Evan]

He said he was natty. Yeah, right?

[Ben]

Oh, yeah.

[CJ]

You guys care so much.

[Evan]

Worst case, he just drops in and hits the enhanced Olympics, and he might actually be able to do something sweet in there.

[Ryan]

Yeah. I don't know why I have so many bodybuilding videos on my Facebook, but there's lots of, like, what we're gonna do. Go to the show, Flex. And no matter how big or ripped or not big you are, 99% of the comments are like, this dude's on steroids. So it's like, even if you're natural, like, that's cool. If you truly are, then you can say you are. And you know in your heart you are. But, like, if you even did a little tiny bit of steroids, you might as well just do them because people think you're on them anyway. I know it's always been kind of the case.

[Ben]

Balls will shrink.

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean, it's. There's a lot of health implications.

[Evan]

Right, right, right.

[Ryan]

Well, that, I guess. Yeah. So it's like, can you try them and say you're, like, not on them. Well, yes, if you tried them, could.

[Ben]

Have been two weeks.

[CJ]

But you'll shrink Ken, you could go on steroids. You got so much to work with it, you know, you get back to normal levels.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Ben]

At least normal sized testicles.

[Evan]

But you still have to work hard, though, when you're on.

[Ben]

You still got to go to the gym.

[Evan]

Still got to go and work hard.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Ken]

It's not like you just take a shot.

[Evan]

It's not like you just take a shot and you're gonna be getting right.

[Ryan]

Right, right.

[Evan]

It's still hard work if you're running steroids.

[CJ]

Yeah. I think it just speeds up your recovery.

[Ryan]

Recovery.

[Evan]

Yeah. Well, it depends what you can train harder.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Evan]

That's like what the moto guys run.

[CJ]

Hgh.

[Evan]

Because they don't want to get big. Right. Like, you don't want to have huge muscles. You're not working out to get big. You're working out to get like strong and. And fit.

[Ryan]

Quick recovery.

[Evan]

Quick recovery is what. Is what you'd want.

[Ben]

Dude.

[Ryan]

I was laughing on Andrew Scholl's last stand up on Netflix. Super funny. He's talking about how, like, hair pills, like hair loss pills, they make your swimmers not work so well. Your sperm. And then he's like, whoa, whoa, hold up, hold up. I didn't know that. When he's talking to the doctor, he's like, so you're telling me that this pill is just that awesome? He's like, yeah, it was helping me not lose my hair, but it's like birth control and it helps me grow my hair back. He's like, why isn't anybody talking about this with that side effect? And I was like, that's true. Because I then did a little research and I didn't like, if you're trying to get pregnant, you should get off your hair pills. Pretty easy to do. Just don't take them. But that's a pretty sweet double whammy.

[Mike]

But it comes back. Or it's like it, like it takes you down, you don't rebound.

[Ryan]

It comes back. But you got to. It's. It's not just like quit taking them and then you're good to go next week. Like it probably a month or two. But I just thought that was insane. I'm like, I didn't really know it made your swimmers not work as well. So I take hair pills.

[Ben]

You can get off them or what?

[Ryan]

Probably I want to have a kid. I think they're working. Not bringing my hair back, but I used to shed like crazy on my Pill. You could just see it. Like, I'd wake up, there'd be hair all over. I'm like, and now it doesn't happen.

[Mike]

I didn't notice your hair was thicker because it's short now.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So like, it could look a lot thinner.

[Ryan]

Some better shampoo, and then those hair pills again. I don't think my hair is growing back, but it's not falling out.

[CJ]

Like, it was getting more gray.

[Evan]

You're on the hair pills?

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[CJ]

Like progressively getting more gray.

[Ryan]

Yeah, dude, I got.

[CJ]

No offense. I don't mean that bad.

[Ryan]

No, it's like.

[CJ]

But it's like, I noticed it in the last video, actually. I was like, oh, damn. I looked at Mike closely.

[Ryan]

I do want to, like, diet for fun, you know? You guys have known if I've always been into, like, screw it, I'll try something new with my hair. Get a bowl cut, whatever, diet. I want to die, but I don't want to, like, I don't want to show up and have like Spencer colored hair and everyone's like, whoa, I don't.

[CJ]

Think you dyed your hair.

[Ryan]

You can do it, dude.

[Evan]

I got grays coming in too.

[Ryan]

Yeah, you have like five.

[Evan]

No, they're coming in 15. No, I'd say more now stress, but I'm stressing.

[Ben]

What are you stressing about?

[CJ]

Are you stressing about the grays or you're stressing otherwise and then getting grays?

[Evan]

I'd say the grays are probably from past stress. Crazy that, like, I'm not stressed.

[CJ]

And change the color of your hair.

[Evan]

And stress will change your whole body.

[Ben]

Everything's like the worst thing.

[Ryan]

Skin tone and quality.

[Ben]

You do need a little bit of stress though. I feel like just to keep you sharp. Keep it sharp? Yeah.

[CJ]

You don't want to be tube so you don't get loose. Yeah, Loose and lazy with it.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Evan]

I live pretty stress free now though. I'd say. Yeah, I don't stress about anything.

[Ben]

What were you stressed about?

[Evan]

The last thing?

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Evan]

Ex girlfriends.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Ben]

They're stressing you out. Dude.

[Ryan]

It has been a minute since you've been so bad.

[Evan]

Oh, it's been a minute.

[CJ]

You told me that. I learned all about that in the merch when we were packing over Black Friday. I learned all about Spenny's stress levels.

[Evan]

Yeah.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

That's the last thing you want to stressing about random dude.

[Evan]

Just dumb stuff. Like, just such dumb stuff.

[Ben]

You definitely don't want too much stress, but I feel like you should have a little bit of stress because, like, I don't know, it just like, keeps you going. Like, you need something to get up and, like, go do every day. And you also, like, you got to build up a tolerance to stress, too.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Like, certain people have way higher tolerances to stress than other people. And, like, you can kind of build that up, but within reason, obviously, you don't want to just be carrying around so much.

[CJ]

Dude, I've really been testing my. My stress levels the last month between getting married, planning a wedding, buying a house, planning to build a house, and then everything that we've been dealing with in our business.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[CJ]

It's like three constant stressors all separate all at once.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Yeah. I.

[CJ]

And it's all good. I mean, it's all like, it's good. It's good stress. It's like, it means that, you know, like, we're evolving and.

[Ben]

Yeah, for sure.

[CJ]

Taking big steps in life. It's like big life stress. Everyone kind of has them all in their life at some point, but I have, like, all three of them at once.

[Ben]

I feel like our business has always been stressful. Like, right now is not nearly as stressful as it used to be, but.

[CJ]

I've been stressing more about it now. Really?

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm just like. I don't know, maybe I'm just used to it. Yeah. Speaking of the house thing, because I was looking at getting a house that was roughly the same amount of money as what you're going to be spending, and it was like this close to pulling the trig, and I ended up just backing out because I was just like, just don't want to deal with the stress of it. Like, I knew it was going to cause more stress. To me, that stress wasn't worth it.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Ben]

It wasn't worth the payout. I. But granted, you're. You're doing a completely different thing to me. You're building a new house. I was just going to get one and it was already built and it wasn't like, dialed, you know, I literally.

[CJ]

I told you that too. I was like, is the stress worth it? And it's where I evaluate of, like, I try and actually make a lot of my life decisions off of, like, is this going to cause me stress or make my life more simple? I was telling Greta this. I was like, I think I just, like, I operate a lot better when I'm not stressed out. And in, like, my line of work, when I'm operating better, like, you know, I'm in a better mood for filming better filming videos. Yeah. I have A way better output. Right? So, like, I try and just evaluate what I'm doing if it's going to cause me stress because it. It makes an effect on our business. I actually got to be in, like, a good state of mind to, like, bring value to us.

[Ben]

Yeah, you got to have. You have to have a good vibe and be carrying good energy, like, to what I was saying, carrying around a little bit of stress. I think it keeps me pushing. Like, this video bit didn't work out. Now we got to come up with something before in two days. That's when you can think of something, right? You know, that's when things really good can come out, you know, like, versus if I just said, screw it, we're not going to. We're not going to post it. So you got rid of your stress, but you didn't keep pushing. That's what I'm talking about for good stress.

[Ryan]

The biggest thing for me is, like, differentiating between actual stress, like stress that is imposed on you because of things out of your control, and fabricated stress. Fabricated stress can happen to anyone. I actually was, like, thinking about it really deeply that I go, women fabricate a lot of stress. It's not just women. It's. It's all of us. You know, it's like, women want to plan something, and then all of a sudden they're all stressed out because of this thing that they planned and they wanted to do. But I'm like, but I do the same thing. This is really silly. And that's why it's good to realize that I go buy a bunch of parts for my truck, and then I'm all stressed out because I need to install these parts. It's a bad example. But like, yeah, Mike's stress. But yeah, it's so you have to understand, you not know, why do you keep money?

[CJ]

Money stressing himself out. He's buying so much shit.

[Ryan]

From a broad standpoint, sure. But no, everybody knows buying stuff is awesome. Click an order online, buying it at the store, that's awesome. But yeah, so that's fabricated stress in my head. I'm stressing myself out because I have parts that I need to install that I bought three weeks ago and I still haven't got them on my dang car. Just stuff like that.

[Ben]

But it's like, don't like, not real stress, though.

[Ryan]

Exactly. But that's why you need to differentiate between fabricated stress. And maybe that was too silly of an example, but, like, you, like, could be like, oh, I'm not getting this stuff done. And Then you tell yourself you're stressed out. Even though if you just forgot of all of the whole telling yourself you're stressed out and just did it and just like knocked it out, and then you can't even be stressed about it because you got rid of it. The more you think about something that you put on yourself to do, the more it stresses you out. I don't know, you know, differentiate between.

[Ben]

But then there's like whole other perspectives to the side of it, like where you have health issues or you're worried about where you're gonna get your next meal, or you gotta stress, you get. You're worried about your. You gotta feed your baby. You worry about where you're gonna sleep tonight. That's real stress, you know?

[Evan]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And almost like those are probably. That's probably how you build stress tolerance.

[Mike]

Not.

[Ben]

Not necessarily. You don't want to have to have those problems, but if you deal with them, other things seem a lot smaller right after that.

[Ryan]

I'm surprised Evan doesn't have more gray hair.

[CJ]

Yeah, the other thing too, there's a difference between like self inflicted anxiety. Like, you know, you're dealing with your decisions and then it's just like fighting your own demons of like, why did I do that? It's like the Sunday scaries are a real thing, dude.

[Ryan]

Oh yeah.

[CJ]

And if you drink every single day, you have scaries every single day.

[Ben]

I've been getting back into drinking a little bit, but not nearly like we used to, or at least like I used to. And I don't even remember the last time I woke up and was like, what I do. I don't even remember the last time.

[Evan]

I don't think I've ever even had a night.

[Ben]

Really?

[CJ]

That's crazy.

[Ryan]

That is actually crazy.

[Ben]

That's awesome. Where you didn't regret a single thing you did.

[Evan]

No, I don't think so.

[Ryan]

That's incredible.

[Ben]

So you might be the only person I've met that's ever incredible, Penny.

[Ryan]

Well, actually, yeah, it happens.

[Evan]

But like you're saying think so.

[Ryan]

Really? Oh, okay.

[Mike]

It happens to varying degrees. Like there's people that wake up. I know they're literally crippled by it. And then also like, you know, I mean, it doesn't. I feel the same way. Siege, like, you know, you kind of dabble back in and you feel like you have things more to control. But like we've got like stable relationships and then now we're also learning how to not be dickheads, so that helps, you know, like you don't accidentally get in Some dumb with your girlfriend. And that's something like when you wake up, you're like, oh crap, like I messed up last night. But yeah, now the basically thing I have is I go, man, I do anything stupid last night, Was I talking dumb to them or whatever?

[Ben]

You know, Like, I think maybe I've just slowly learned after 29 years of life and just being so critical on myself that I just don't do stuff like that anymore. But also it really just boils down to if you just drink too much alcohol, you are going to do something stupid. Doesn't matter who the you are.

[CJ]

Yeah, you're going to say you're just a little blurry. You're gonna do something stupid.

[Ben]

You're gonna be a little bit weird. It also depends on who you're hanging out with in the situation. But like generally, like, if you just don't over consume, you're probably not gonna do something stupid if you're not an idiot.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that's very true.

[Ben]

But even if you're smart, you're gonna do some dumb.

[Ryan]

Now that I'm sober, I just don't even think twice about anything I do. As in like. Because I know for a fact that whatever it is can't be nearly as crazy or stupid as it was when I was drinking.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Ben]

And you made it with a clear conscience.

[Ryan]

Yeah, exactly. So even if someone was like, what the fuck were you doing man, if you're dead? So we're like, I don't know. Yeah, it's chilling.

[Mike]

Yeah, it's being done.

[CJ]

Pretty worried about you actually, Mike.

[Evan]

Yes.

[CJ]

Yeah. Because you've been like falling asleep like on top of the covers. Oh yeah. He said, yeah. And Evan's like, dude, I don't know. It's like he's like drunk Mike all over again. Except for the only excuse he has is he isn't drunk. And that's a problem. Why is he falling asleep like that? And sleep alarm clock.

[Ryan]

And then I kind of blamed it on him because I'm like, dude, because I did your ass. And then bar close comes around. And yet it's still not time to leave.

[CJ]

I'm like, it was 2:30.

[Ryan]

It was 2:30 in the morning and I just wanted to leave so bad. And we get to the hotel at like 3:15 and I'm like, sorry I slept in my clothes.

[Ben]

That's worse than you drinking is you having a DD around and stay out till 3:30 is no fun just being sober. Definitely a bunch of drunk idiots. And then you gotta drive them. They're like, we want McDonald's and you.

[Ryan]

Go over there for the most being slow.

[Evan]

As Evan gets so mad when he's drunk too. Remember when I tried to go to bed early and he's like, he's gonna leave.

[CJ]

You're gonna leave Mike and me alone.

[Evan]

Like, what are you doing?

[Ryan]

Then he acts like he tries to party so hard and like, be that guy. And you're straight up not bro. And it was like getting really serious.

[Evan]

Yeah, he was pissed. I was like, dude, I got to go to bed.

[CJ]

Just.

[Evan]

I don't see the point on drinking a bunch of beers on a Tuesday. Like, I just going to go to bed.

[Ryan]

I partially beat myself up because I kind of was that guy. So if you were, I'm like, if you're going to hang out and you're like going to be sober, then drive. I was kind of like, mean about. I wasn't like mean to them. I was like, seriously?

[Ben]

I think that's fair.

[Ryan]

Yeah. If you're going to hang around and be sober, like, yeah, you're going to drive us home. That makes sense. But that doesn't mean that all the other rules are out the window. As in, like, yeah, I'll drive you home. But like, why four nights in a row? And why all of them have to be passed?

[Ben]

You don't have to hang out though.

[Ryan]

Right, Right, right.

[CJ]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan]

If I am.

[Ben]

If you're gonna like go to the roadhouse with everyone and you're not drinking, I think that's fair to drive, but also not fair. They have to leave on your agenda. Yes, they have to leave on your agenda. So, like, if it gets to where you have to stay an extra 3, 4 hours just waiting around for everyone.

[Evan]

To go home and I'm like, way.

[Ryan]

Too easy going, you know, like, even when I do finally lay down the law and everyone's like, what? Really? And I'm like, what?

[Evan]

That's not the real mic.

[Ben]

Come on.

[Evan]

They're like, I gave you like six.

[Ryan]

Passes to stay longer, drink more. Six free passes run you to the gas station.

[Evan]

Yeah, dude.

[CJ]

It's like, it's so. It's so easy to understand when you're sober. And then as soon as you have one drink, you're just like, yeah, what do you mean Mike can't bring us to McDonald's? Yeah, you're just having fun. Like as soon as you're boozing, it's just like all just like sober thoughts. Common sense. It's like general respective of like sober time out the window. It's Just like.

[Ryan]

What do you mean?

[CJ]

We're partying, bro. I thought we were buddies for your.

[Ryan]

Buddy, but you guys know me. I don't mind when it gets late. I actually really don't mind it. What? I do mind, and I'm sure a lot of people dd ing mind. This is the. It's the multiple stop thing. It's the, yo, can you go pick up this girl? Can you go pick up my buddy? Can we go buzz, Whatever. And I'm like, what? No, I'm hanging out here. Just cuz I'm not drinking doesn't mean I'm not hanging out here.

[CJ]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah. You're not like uber driving.

[Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben]

We almost kind of have stopped using the Sprinter van for that reason. It just got to be too many stops. It was too many, literally. And then like, it's like riding the school bus home or.

[CJ]

Yeah, we got school buses, so that's true.

[Ben]

We don't just get.

[CJ]

We could probably just sell the Sprinter van at this point.

[Ryan]

True.

[CJ]

Cash out on that thing and then just buy.

[Ryan]

Put a slightly comfy.

[CJ]

You could buy some 30. 30 school buses.

[Ryan]

We don't need to do that.

[Ben]

I think we just keep the short.

[Mike]

Of our own school bus and we'd be dialed.

[Ryan]

Evil Knievel just rolled in his grave. 30 school bus.

[Ben]

I honestly wouldn't even care if we sold the Sprinter van. I don't know if it's.

[Ryan]

Now that we have the short bus. I wouldn't either.

[Ben]

But the thing's trash. I don't know if we'd get like. How much money you think we'd get for that thing? 100 racks.

[Evan]

85. Dude, that thing's so sick still.

[CJ]

Yeah, it's not living.

[Ryan]

Honestly, it's kind of like back to what you said about the supercar thing. Like, at face value, it's there. Like, yeah, it's a little rough around the edges, but like, that doesn't make it worth much less.

[CJ]

We didn't buy it to be a party hauler though. Like, we bought it because it's like really good for getting our crew around and like filming intros and like.

[Ryan]

And that's what we've been using it for lately. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[CJ]

That's what we use it for now. But like, you know, it just slowly just turned into just like what our limos were. So we had one limo that we bought for 3, 500 bucks, and that thing was a Lincoln town card limo. Probably fit what, 30 at most? No, but like 15. And we would Pile every single person that we knew into that thing.

[Ben]

That was fun.

[CJ]

And then we got a Ford Excursion limo.

[Mike]

That one fit like 30.

[CJ]

That thing fit 30 and we would fit like 45 into it.

[Mike]

Yeah. It was actually insane.

[CJ]

And then. And then we got the Sprinter. And the Sprinter's tough because it, It. It's supposed to carry like, eight people comfortably, but we still pile like.

[Ben]

Like 17.

[CJ]

Yeah, like 17 in there.

[Ryan]

And it is cool. It's cool to be the group or whatever that lets other people come on. You know, it's like you run into some, like, distant buddies and they're like, dude, can we hop on? It's cool to have them. Well, I'm just saying, like, if they're your close buddies are probably already on. Mmm. But, you know, or some people, some girls and whatever, it's cool to have them come on. But then you run into more people than you want on there. And how.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

How are we gonna get home? Yeah, because we.

[CJ]

Yeah, because then it's like we drop you off. Yeah. We hire a driver for it. Right. And then it's just like, oh, yeah, the Sprinter van's just like, freaking game to just bring us wherever then. And then you find out, like, the next morning that the Sprinter driver didn't get home till 4:30 in the morning. And we're like, oh, they're never going to fucking pick up our phone call again.

[Mike]

The last time I drove the Sprinter, I have a snap of it pulling into the driveway at 5:45am After I dropped everybody back off in all the different places and I went, that sucked. But, I mean, is what it is. And that was a long time ago. That was the last time I drove the Sprinter van.

[CJ]

It is still fun, though. Fired up, dude. Me and Spenny and CJ actually had a great time. And Gavin Mechanic. Gav, last summer, that was like, the last, like, sprinter van outing that I've had. Dude, it was last August. And, man, that was fun.

[Ben]

I'm down to rip the Sprinter van tonight.

[Evan]

Or let's go golfing in that thing.

[Ben]

I'd be down. And then we could, like, cruise around.

[CJ]

And like, all the things.

[Ben]

Like use the Internet, cruise around and drop seats.

[Evan]

And drop everybody off the baby on both TVs.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Ben]

We'll put debate, watch music videos while we're on both screens.

[Ken]

Can take it to the golf course, too.

[Ben]

I'm down. Let's do it.

[Evan]

There's. Book it to have a couple drinks and be in the Sprinter van with all the boys. There's probably Nothing better. Like, it's way better than being in a bar.

[Ben]

It is. It is.

[CJ]

When you get to the bar, it's just like, ah, damn. I kind of want to just like drive around in the sprint.

[Ben]

I know.

[CJ]

Sprinter van is more fun.

[Ben]

That's for sure.

[Ryan]

It is.

[Evan]

It really is.

[Mike]

And even.

[Evan]

It doesn't even need to be stacked and it doesn't need to be like.

[Ben]

No, it's more fun when there's less people.

[Mike]

Exactly.

[Ben]

It's more fun when it has the right amount of people for the amount of seats there is. As soon as, like, you gotta like, double up and do all this, that's when it's not fun.

[CJ]

Yeah, we ain't selling that shit. We would just sell it and be like, what are we doing?

[Mike]

We gotta get another one.

[Evan]

But as soon as.

[Ryan]

As soon as we got the short bus, I'm like, I wanna short, but I want to have a big, like all DD and I want to take.

[CJ]

Everyone on this big bus. So then you can straight up.

[Ben]

Those buses are pretty awesome. And they're actually, I mean, not to. No surprise. They're clean but easy to maneuver. They're not as hard.

[Evan]

So easy to drive.

[Ryan]

Really good turning radius.

[Ben]

I didn't mind driving that thing home three and a half hours.

[Ryan]

Yeah, that was fun. So, yeah, you're right. Screw the short bus. We're doing the long bus. And then we actually can be that guy, those guys, and be like, yeah, of course you can. Come on.

[Ben]

What we did, what we could do is turn the seats sideways, but we just can't drop to the windows. And then we could put fireman poles, some roof supports in case you wanted to like. Yeah, roof supports. That's what they would be better for.

[Mike]

It's interesting you brought this up. When we bought those buses and I was talking with the insurance guy, he had three questions. How many people does it sit? Are the seats facing normal or sideways? Slash, party bus. And then four was, do people pay you to ride on it? Which I said no to everything because the. It's not a party bus. But like, that was the thing. If it was turned into a party bus, they were like, you're not going to insure.

[Ryan]

You know, how many people. Is it fit? Nope.

[Ben]

Dude, I'm down.

[Mike]

Perfect. Well, of course.

[Evan]

Then call your driver.

[Ryan]

Oh, wait. I also have a really funny story about when I got pulled over on the way to the car show that I want to tell. So, you know.

[Mike]

Wait, what?

[CJ]

You got pulled over?

[Ryan]

Yeah, on the way to the. The car show that we Went to. A little bit ago, I got pulled over because I got vanity plates. They don't tell you whether, like, they're good or not. But I got money Mike for the Viper.

[CJ]

Sick.

[Ryan]

M N Y M I K E. And they take eight weeks to come in black. No, they don't make black plates.

[CJ]

Okay. I was gonna say, because I ordered vanity plates in black.

[Ryan]

I know.

[CJ]

And they never came for mine.

[Ryan]

And then I came in non black.

[CJ]

No. And I. I don't know. It was real confusing. But long story short, I was running the wrong plate on my raptor. I was running my lambo plate on my raptor for a year because I thought it was the right one. It. It was the wrong one. And then I got pulled over, and they told me that. I was like, wow. Yeah. But anyway, so, yeah, I was gonna say it's not coming in black, but. Okay.

[Ryan]

No, it's not. And so they. All they give you is a piece of paper, not laminated for this position in your license plate. They just say, tape down your back window. So I went and re registered all my cars, and I like getting the customized plates. So all my cars are, like, plateless. And the Viper, you can't see it. The truck, you can't really see it. Anyway, I'm driving the Viper, the windows angled. I get pulled over. No surprise. It's actually. The cop was in the parking lot that we were in and followed us all the way out. You guys took off. I got pulled over on the.

[Mike]

Oh, after Canes, he hunted you down?

[Ryan]

Yeah, he just. Well, he was just, like, waiting for me to get onto a public road before he pulled me over, pulls me over and goes. I'm just trying to figure out, you know, you don't have registration, so what's going on? And then I'm like, here's the space paper.

[Evan]

He's like, all right, what is this?

[Ryan]

I'm like, this is my registration. I'm like, chilling because I'm good to go. Yes. This is a pain in the butt. I probably should have tried taping the piece of paper or something. And he's like, all right. So this is all they gave you? I'm like, yes, this is all they gave me. And he's like, just doesn't know what to do. Classic. How often does that happen to us where the DNR or something jams us up and they don't know what to do? And he's like, all right, well, you just sit tight. I'm like, yep, take your time, man. And then a second Cop pulls up, like, starts asking me the same questions. He's like, yep. So we're just trying to figure out, you know, if this car is registered. Yeah, it is. And then he's like, we ran the VIN and just nothing's coming back. I'm like, that's an issue. Like, what do you mean, nothing's coming back? He's like, like, your name's not come. I'm like, oh, okay, my name. But, like, it's not like nobody scrubbed the van or anything. He's like, I don't know. We're just trying to figure it out. Okay, cool. And then they. He goes, so, where'd the car come from? I'm like, ohio. And he's like, you know anybody own Ohio? I go, nope. He's like, you didn't know who had the car before you? I'm like, I didn't know him. I mean, I knew him from the sale. I don't know what to say. And then he's like, all right, well, like, you buy it from a dealership. And I'm like, I got it on ebay. And he goes, you said ebay? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, ebay. Like, ebay motors just all chill. And he's like, and you're. You live in North Dakota? I go, yep, I just moved there. I totally guess when I. I guess when I transferred my license over, I'm like, it was the beginning of the year. He's like, yeah, it says January. All right, good. And then he's like. He comes back again, and he's like, listen, this is a really nice car. And, you know, you don't have registration on it. I'm like, I do. I do. I just showed you. He's like, we're just trying to make sure that it's not stolen. And I was like. I was waiting for you to say that. And I was like, it's not stolen, but take your time, do what you got to do and figure it out.

[Mike]

Because if that was your Viper that was stolen, like, you'd appreciate them asking all the questions and possibly nothing back.

[Ryan]

I was solely entertained by it, but I was not upset that they were insinuating that it might be stolen. And then since North Dakota has much more lax rules on registration and stuff, he was trying to figure out if my North Dakota ID was fake so that if so, I could, like, register my car in North Dakota. And I'm like, it's not stolen. And they just still, like, I was there for 30 minutes.

[Mike]

Yeah, you're a Long way behind us.

[Ryan]

And I was like me sitting there in my stolen, allegedly stolen Viper.

[Mike]

They were watching YouTube video, me buying it.

[Ben]

Did you pop that up?

[Ryan]

Yeah. And then so I did. And some kids start hollering at us. He goes, you know them kids? Like, kind of like. And I was like, I don't personally know them, but they know me. And he's like, how? And I was like, we have a YouTube channel. All right, okay. And I'm like, did you see the guys in the other supercars ahead of me? Yep. Like, that's, that's what we do. And then I like showed him the thumbnail and he's like, all right. And they still like spend another five minutes, like deciding what to do.

[Mike]

Oh my gosh.

[Ryan]

And it's just like, I really need to like laminate those pieces of paper and put them because I'm just going to get eight weeks. Like that's like another month.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So the whole summer driving it.

[Ryan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Guys, I think AI is coming for our jobs.

[Evan]

Us.

[CJ]

The near us podcast job or what kind of. What job?

[Mike]

I think podcast job. I think YouTuber. I think everything.

[Ryan]

The new Google influencer.

[Mike]

Even though we don't call us that. I think. I think AI is coming for our job.

[CJ]

In which way?

[Mike]

I mean, have you seen. So Google released this new AI software that basically you can take a prompt, which of course it all is in the prompt, but I think there's going to be people that are creative enough to make it and you can make a video that actually looks realistic. Now, like in this case, they're kind of memeing like a Mr. B style video here, but check this out.

[CJ]

Into a zoo to prove one man is enough to fight a gorilla. I mean, it still looks fake though.

[Mike]

I'm going to lick this glowing pole.

[CJ]

Let's see how many views this gets.

[Mike]

Like no plan.

[Ryan]

Like the, the wind noise and the.

[CJ]

Liquid cement until it hardens.

[Mike]

Obviously these prompts are, are made to be impossible challenges, but it's pretty realistic.

[CJ]

That's. Yeah, that's pretty.

[Ben]

It looks real.

[Evan]

Yeah, it does look, but you can.

[Ben]

Tell something's a little.

[Mike]

Something's weird.

[Evan]

It's kind of cheesy. Like it's like weird.

[Ken]

There's always something about like the voices that it's like that's not how a real person would. Would say that kind of.

[Ben]

There is like a YouTuber that's not real. Like that's, that's like popping and people don't know.

[Ryan]

Things are just moving really fast. Because I do remember A few creators that. But they had to do that. So they would record a video, then they would change voice, then they would AI like themselves over and over and over. And then it was like it was still being essentially created by a human. But now. Yeah, the new Google VO3 thing, it's just like it creates the human. All the audio, the background music, the. The wind noise, the birds. Like, everything is just a part of essentially one big prompt instead of having to bring it through the video AI. The audio AI. Yeah, color enhancing AI, Dude.

[Ben]

I mean, I. Even through this podcast, when I pop on my phone, it's because I'm chat GPT AI questions, and it can find me information or a clip or whatever.

[Mike]

So quick, here's this brand, which is actually like a moderately big brand, advertising on Facebook. That's AI.

[Ryan]

Yeah, straight up, guys.

[Ben]

Got a little bit small of a head for his shoulders.

[Mike]

It looks when you. When you scroll through, you're like, okay, real. And then you're like, wait, this guy is way arms.

[Ben]

His arms look a little like his. The way he's holding. I don't know, some slightly off biceps.

[Evan]

Look like into his body. He's like. His shoulder's not lined up properly.

[CJ]

Yeah. And his hair.

[Evan]

God, it's just.

[CJ]

Looks like Ryan.

[Evan]

How is it so perfect? He does look like Ryan right now.

[CJ]

Look at that.

[Evan]

They actually got like the same hair and beard.

[CJ]

Ryan.

[Mike]

Holy.

[Ben]

If you stay, that's me, dude.

[Mike]

You could be that I should just. Yeah, stay in the gym and start wearing coconut oil. Fingers are like the. The dead giveaway, right? Yes. He's got a finger behind it.

[Evan]

Look at his eye, though.

[CJ]

The left eye.

[Mike]

Yeah, it is someone that real. Like this one. This is the first one I saw a little too. And it made me question it for a while. And then I saw another one of their ads and I went, all right, this is definitely. Give me family man on private jet. Because the jet doesn't make any sense. It's only got one row of seats, but it's too wide, you know?

[CJ]

Anyway, you know who they need to AI to bring back and make new content?

[Evan]

Outdoor boys.

[CJ]

Oh, dude.

[Mike]

Ready?

[Ryan]

Let the hiatus sink in. Let you self miss him.

[Ben]

Why do you guys think, like, Outdoor Boys blew up almost due to a meme? Yeah, they were. They were obviously already big and successful. I'm not taking away anything from them. But then where they became superstars was over. Like a meme. Like people almost memeing them, you know?

[CJ]

Yeah, no, I. I do. I know exactly what you're saying. I think it was.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[CJ]

I don't know if it was just like the fact that it's like a guy that shouldn't be as famous as he is. Like his personality isn't your classic like celebrity. And then I think just with the Internet doing what the Internet does, they're like, yeah, this is our guy.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah, because.

[CJ]

Yeah, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna blow this guy up.

[Ryan]

He literally, like, as far as socially never made a mistake is that, you know, like he never really, like, there was no. Did you hear what he said about this? Like he was so just a tried and true dude. It's just incredible. 15 million subscribers.

[CJ]

Those, I think you don't know. 10 million of them in 18 months. 12. 12 million or 12. It was this guy that's probably mid-40s and he basically does like, like survival type content out in the wilderness in the middle of Alaska in the dead cold of winter where he'll go out, he'll dig a cave and he'll do like his five day survival. And that is like the most simplistic editing and filming of it. But the guy is just like, he grew up in Alaska and he has like the most wild pocket knife of skills of like surviving off of nothing.

[Mike]

Like a Swiss army knife.

[CJ]

Dude, it's, it's insane.

[Ryan]

And so it's like second nature to him. He's not going out and being like, here's all the things that I need to learn to do this. No, he just goes out and makes surviving on almost nothing look easy.

[CJ]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Casual. Yeah.

[CJ]

And he's just kind of like a nerdy white guy with dad.

[Evan]

Just looks like an office guy.

[CJ]

Yeah, he used to, He's a lawyer. He was a lawyer that quit being a lawyer and then he started doing this. But he, he basically, he got so famous. In the last 18 months, 15 million subscribers on YouTube.

[Mike]

That's insane. I mean, that's insane. Numbers of eyeballs, insane.

[CJ]

He said he was so famous now that he can't live a normal life because he has like, you know, a couple kids, three kids, I think, and a wife and, and he was like, I'm so famous now, if I continue on this trajectory, I will not be able to like leave the house without taking photos and meeting people and like, you know, being like a celebrity. And he was like, that's not the life I want to live. So I'm done making YouTube videos. It's just quitting.

[Ryan]

And I just like, people were just saying like, I mean, he did kind of win.

[Evan]

He's retiring.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ryan]

Right.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Because I think he just wants to live a moderately simple life in Alaska or somewhere. Right. Like, he, you know, not like he wants to move to L. A and be in movies or anything like that. He beat what he wanted to do was pretty cool, actually. To be like, all right, I'm happy here. That doesn't happen a lot either. People quit right before they get to the edge or never realize their dreams, or then they get so locked in that they can't stop. So, like, pretty cool that he was just like, I'm happy here. But now, dude, I feel like if I saw him, I'd be like, holy. Like, you're the reclusive door. It's an even bigger deal. So, like, I hope that doesn't negatively affect it. I hope that it actually works how he intended and people give him the space he deserves.

[Evan]

People are going to be going to Alaska to try to find him. We got to find him. We got to get him back.

[Mike]

It is unfortunate we never had the collab. Sea boys, outdoor boys.

[Ryan]

True.

[Ben]

I'm insane.

[Ryan]

Yeah, he would have been.

[CJ]

Straight up having to take care of us, dude. He would have been like, how do you guys get through your day? What do you mean? You don't know how to start a fire without a match.

[Mike]

Back to the AI Thing. I. I did try. I worked with the prompts and tried to make an AI Video. I guess you guys will have to let me know how I did. Money Mike don't believe in banks.

[Ben]

Is that you?

[Mike]

That's you, bud. Eight seconds.

[Ben]

It looks like Mike when he was 10. Literally. Same haircut.

[CJ]

What did you say that Mike was Asian?

[Mike]

No. Money. This is who Money Mike learned from your money. Mike's the little kid. This is his origin story.

[Ryan]

Okay. Okay.

[Mike]

And then only Mike was like, wow, I want to be just like this guy.

[Ryan]

We got the gen 4.5 Viper.

[Ben]

You just saw this guy giving out money, and he was driving a red Viper. And Mike said that's who all of.

[Evan]

His buddies are throwing money in the air. Dude, I love family.

[Mike]

It actually is hard. I tried really hard to, like, make a half ass good video. And like, it. It was hard to get something to come out that I actually, like, was even moderately amused with.

[Ben]

Yeah. When I was trying to use it for, like, pictures, for landscaping. It works, but not perfectly.

[CJ]

And they're not, like, always kind of messes.

[Ben]

It's always something's a little mess and like. Or you tell to change one thing and it changes three things. Everything, you know? But it is an insane tool.

[Mike]

Have you heard why they're pushing this AI to make like the advancements so fast and, you know, no idea. The rumor on the Internet of what I've heard is, is now that all of like the Epstein island and the Diddy trials are like, going on, that they're going to then make it so good that we go like, this is.

[Ryan]

I. I could see that.

[Mike]

I don't know, but just rock with the story.

[Ryan]

I could see that happening.

[Ben]

No, I don't think Diddy and Epstein were involved in AI.

[Mike]

No, I mean, the people that could be.

[Ken]

I. I get that.

[Mike]

Like the people that could be implicated.

[Ken]

In his trials possibly are like, they're the ones funding it.

[Mike]

Yeah. They're like, dude, we got to get this AI going so we can blame this story. And it'd be a precedent setting case, you know, like, it would be the first AI somebody trying to get out of a case using AI.

[CJ]

I see your point.

[Mike]

I don't necessarily believe it.

[CJ]

I don't know if I believe it.

[Mike]

But yeah, that's what. I guess that's what people have been saying.

[CJ]

Like, the advancements of AI, I feel like, is not like, oh, we gotta get this out. Diddy's trials coming up in 45.

[Ryan]

Are they asking, are they trying to get like the AI, let's say, let's use video, for example. Are they trying to get the AI video so good that they can say footage from Epstein island was AI created?

[Mike]

Presumably, it's like anything. It's not going to be like this HD video like I took of us, right? It's going to be some grainy security cam footage or whatever. You just be like, no, that's. I didn't do that. Look at what you can create with AI that isn't me.

[Ryan]

We don't go super in depth with it, but when we take a video, it'll. It'll tell you in the information that it was taken on a Sony A7S3, on a 16 to 35 lens, on an iPhone. It'll tell you all that stuff. But like, how much does that hold up, I wonder.

[Mike]

But you can.

[Ken]

You can scrub all that information off and put in fake stuff. It's not like you could. That information is just permanently attached to that clip.

[CJ]

Right.

[Mike]

All I know is if, you know, we do take this sprinter van out golfing and then to the bar and I do anything embarrassing, dude, it was AI last night. Wasn't me.

[CJ]

There you go. Start telling Ev that Ev's gonna sleep like a baby once he finds out that AI.

[Ben]

Oh, it was AI.

[CJ]

Oh, it's the AI. I go hit the chorus.

[Ben]

Eh, I'd say.

[CJ]

I knew cj'd be down already.

[Ben]

Got a tea time, 5:00'.

[Evan]

Clock.

[Ryan]

Oh, he's super down then. I gotta go change my oil, test.

[Ken]

Out the new clubs.

[CJ]

Well, if you guys made it to this point in the podcast, hit subscribe if you're new here. And if not, we'll be back next Tuesday. We'll see you then.

[Ben]

Thanks. Peace.