What Editors Actually Use: Beauty + Style Secrets from InStyle’s Leah Wyar

Summary

Lipstick on the Rim: What Editors Actually Use

Episode Date: October 28, 2025
Guest: Leah Wyar (President of Beauty, Style & Entertainment at People, InStyle, Byrdie, Entertainment Weekly)
Hosts: Molly Sims and Emese Gormley

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Episode Overview

This vibrant episode of Lipstick on the Rim dives deep into beauty, style, and media trends with esteemed editor Leah Wyar. As President of Beauty, Style & Entertainment for powerhouse brands like InStyle and People, Leah shares inside industry insights, her personal product picks, and career wisdom. The conversation tracks her unconventional rise in publishing, changing trends in editorial and digital media, and what beauty and fashion obsessions editors actually swear by.

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Table of Contents

1. Leah Wyar’s Backstory & Influence
2. Career Evolution in a Shifting Media Landscape
3. Trends in Beauty Editorial & Media Transparency
4. Beauty Trends: What’s In, What’s Overrated
5. The Culture of “Tweakments” & Transparency
6. Wellness & Emerging Lifestyle Trends
7. Spotting Trends That Stick
8. Current Fashion Trends & Timeless Style
9. Holy Grail Products & Drugstore Gems
10. Morning Routine & Editor Favorites
11. Rapid-Fire Round: Style and Life
12. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
13. Key Timestamps

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1. Leah Wyar’s Backstory & Influence <a name="backstory"></a>

• Emese credits Leah for inspiring the podcast:
  • “[Leah] is literally the reason this podcast exists… your advice helped me and Emese… to have this platform.” (05:50)
• Leah’s pivotal advice: Emese recounts Leah’s early tough love and career insight, urging her to find the “middle” between her mom relatability and glamorous fashion world.
  • Leah: “You have this mom, funny relatability, authentic self on one side. And on the other… fashion, entertainment, travel… you need a middle.” (04:32)

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2. Career Evolution in a Shifting Media Landscape <a name="career-evolution"></a>

• Serendipitous start: Leah started at Health magazine despite lacking formal journalism credentials, thanks to a college connection.
  • Leah: “I had zero qualifications for that job… no internship… I was a psych major.” (06:50)
  • Mentorship from Colleen Sullivan proved key.
• Adaptability in the digital age: Leah discusses the necessity of pivoting as digital disrupted print media.
  • Leah: “If you don’t function that way as a legacy brand, you’re done.” (19:31)
• Embracing cross-functional roles: Early on, Leah broke taboos by collaborating with sales and marketing, learning “to be super valuable to the company’s bottom line.” (11:00-12:13)

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3. Trends in Beauty Editorial & Media Transparency <a name="editorial-trends"></a>

• From “church and state” to partnership: Editors now actively engage with data, marketing, and affiliate programs.
  • Leah: "It's made everybody smarter. I think people don't really care now [about sponsored links]—they know how it works." (16:41)
• Real-time data: Publications use analytics to pivot quickly and respond to what resonates.
  • Emese: “Within seconds of sharing something, you see data in real time… it allows you to be nimble and pivot.” (19:44)

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4. Beauty Trends: What’s In, What’s Overrated <a name="beauty-trends"></a>

What Editors Love Right Now

• Gentle skin routines & “big treatment” minimalism:
  • Leah: “…save up that big moment, like once or twice a year, and then really just be gentle with your skin the rest of the year.” (21:43)
  • Leah and the hosts talk barrier creams and the dangers of over-exfoliation/microdermabrasion.
• Cautious about under eye filler:
  • Leah: “I got convinced to do it once. My under eyes did not recover for a year and a half.” (24:13)

Overrated (Buyer Beware!)

• Daily harsh exfoliation/microdermabrasion
• Under-eye fillers
• Extreme “fad” treatments that lead to long-term skin issues

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5. The Culture of “Tweakments” & Transparency <a name="tweakments"></a>

• Shifting attitudes: Once secret, injectables and “tweakments” are now openly discussed by celebrities and editors alike.
  • Leah: “That ‘I woke up like this’ thing is such BS… everyone’s getting work… it’s refreshing [when they admit it].” (25:57)
• Openness helps reduce shame and confusion about what’s achievable:
  • “It’s better to be vocal about it… otherwise there’s this social dysmorphia that happens.” (27:16)

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6. Wellness & Emerging Lifestyle Trends <a name="wellness"></a>

• Editor obsessions: Ear seeds (acupressure adhesive beads), lymphatic drainage, fascia release, hot sauna, cold plunge.
  • Leah: “My obsessions right now are… all about lymphatic drainage, lymph, fascia, everything.” (29:34)
• DIY wellness: Acupuncture, lymphatic massage, and wellness-enhancing rituals are increasingly integrated into beauty.

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7. Spotting Trends That Stick <a name="spotting-trends"></a>

• Test of time = repeat purchase:
  • Leah: “If it works, you’re gonna buy it a second time. If it works, that becomes a business.” (30:41)
  • Fad vs. fundamental: “There’s a place for flash in the pan, but sustained use is what matters.”

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8. Current Fashion Trends & Timeless Style <a name="fashion-trends"></a>

• What’s hot:
  • “Big, bright colors… yellows, turquoise, mints, fuchsias… lots of prints and patterns mixed together.”
  • “Not boring or minimalist. That’s happening in beauty, too.” (31:25)
• Gap “renaissance,” tailored blazers, and investment pieces: Hot pink barrel jeans from Gap, oversized but tailored jackets (32:42-35:27)
• Style icons: Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, Olsen twins, Kate Moss—admired for timeless, understated style that transcends trends.
  • Emese: “Carolyn Bessette... the very definition of timeless. You can pick that outfit up and drop it into today, anytime. And it works.” (36:51)

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9. Holy Grail Products & Drugstore Gems <a name="favorite-products"></a>

• Affordable finds:
  • Cure Gel Cleanser (Amazon/Drugstore) (43:18)
  • Maelove “The Hydrator” (simple, effective skincare)
  • Aestura barrier cream (Korean, by Amore Pacific)
• Pricier favorites:
  • Foundation: Armani Luminous Silk (“an OG, holy grail!”) (45:12)
  • Mascara: Jones Road Beauty, Victoria Beckham’s Vast Lash
  • Other: Victoria Beckham eyeliner and bronzing powder; Jones Road/Bobbi Brown products
  • Tammy Fender Quintessential Serum (last product finished) (46:11)

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10. Morning Routine & Editor Favorites <a name="morning-routine"></a>

• Morning routine: “So, so simple. I don’t wash my face in the morning. I put moisturizer on over hyaluronic acid... then foundation, done.” (44:53)
• Desert island mascara: Bobbi Brown or Victoria Beckham (46:21)
• Fragrance: Aedes de Venustas “Iris Nazarene”, a unique, power scent from a cult shop in NYC (46:49)
• Investment pieces: Black pumps, quality blazers—pieces you build everything around (39:54-40:27)

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11. Rapid-Fire Round: Style and Life <a name="rapid-fire"></a>

• Worst beauty advice: “Got my hair chopped at eight months’ pregnant… regret every moment of it.” (47:36)
• Fashion essentials: Accessories, jackets, bags, shoes—the “finishing touches”
• On travel: Light packer (48:37)
• 10-year-old self advice: “Nobody has it figured out—and you’ll figure it out.” (48:47)
• Unpopular opinion: Not a fan of gentle parenting approaches (48:03)
• Signature drink: Simple—loves a beer, especially Cape May beer (48:16)

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12. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments <a name="quotes"></a>

• “You have this mom, funny relatability...and on the other side...fashion, entertainment, travel. You need a middle.” – Leah Wyar (04:32)
• “I had zero qualifications...no internship...I was a psych major.” – Leah (06:50)
• “If you don’t function [like a startup] as a legacy brand, you’re done.” – Leah (19:31)
• “The next story is in the comments.” – Leah (20:22)
• “I don’t really think you should be writing a book.” – Leah to Emese (04:32)
• “What’s your go-to investment piece?” "A black pump you can wear with everything." – Leah (39:54)
• “Save up that big moment, like once or twice a year...be gentle with your skin the rest of the year.” – Leah (21:43)
• “I got convinced to do [under-eye filler] once. My under eyes did not recover for a year and a half.” (24:13)
• “That ‘I woke up like this’ thing is such BS...everyone’s getting work.” – Leah (25:57)
• “If it works, you’re gonna buy it a second time. If it works, that becomes a business.” – Leah (30:41)
• “Carolyn Bessette… you can pick that outfit up and drop it into today, anytime. It works.” – Emese (36:51)

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13. Key Timestamps <a name="timestamps"></a>

• [05:03] – Leah’s pivotal career advice to Emese, origins of the podcast
• [06:32-08:16] – Leah’s career start, mentorship, and rise in editorial
• [16:41] – Editorial integrity & affiliate links in the digital era
• [19:31] – Need for legacy brands to think and act like startups
• [21:43] – Current beauty trend: big treatments plus gentle routine
• [24:13] – Under-eye filler cautionary tale
• [25:57] – Normalization of tweakments and celebrity transparency
• [29:34] – Lymphatic wellness, fascia, ear seeds
• [31:25] – Fall fashion: bright colors, patterns, joy-inducing style
• [36:51] – Carolyn Bessette Kennedy’s timeless style breakdown
• [39:54] – Investment style pieces: black pump
• [43:18] – Drugstore/Amazon product recommendations
• [44:53] – Morning beauty routine
• [46:49] – Signature scent: Aedes de Venustas “Iris Nazarene”
• [48:47] – Advice to her 10-year-old self

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Conclusion

This episode is an essential listen for anyone who loves beauty and style but wants to cut through the noise and know what the pros actually do. With Leah Wyar’s unrivaled industry perspective, Molly and Emese bring listeners an honest, practical, and joy-filled take on what really works in beauty, style, and self-care. Whether you’re seeking skin wisdom, timeless fashion advice, or genuinely useful product recs, this episode is packed with the kind of “editor’s secrets” that live up to the hype.

Follow Leah Wyar on Instagram for more beauty and style insights: @leahwyar. For more episodes, check out Lipstick on the Rim on your favorite podcast platform or YouTube!

Transcript

[Molly Sims]

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[Emisha Gormley]

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And by that, we mean everything that.

Makes you look and feel beautiful. We're calling on our favorite health experts, industry insiders and friends to answer all.

Your beauty questions with a drink in hand.

[Molly Sims]

Definitely with a drink in hand.

[Emisha Gormley]

You're listening to Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims. Today's guest is very, very, very special to me because she is literally the reason this podcast exists.

I mean, thank goodness for her.

She's the president of beauty, style and entertainment for here you go, People and Style, Birdie and Entertainment Weekly. She is the quadruple threat of fashion and beauty entertainment. You truly are the reason why she told me that cast exists. I was writing a third book.

[Molly Sims]

And.

[Emisha Gormley]

I had just met Leah through Kim Kreuzberger at Pivot Projects, and she was like, you know, I think you just need some advice. And I had, you know, I had worked with Daniel Perkins and they had kind of gone through, like, my world, like my.com, like my Instagram, my TikTok, everything in between. And Kim. And Kim was like, I really think you need to get some advice from Leah. And I remember getting on the zoom and we, you know, we got into it at first, you know, she was, you're always so professional and nice, but you're like, I don't really think you should be writing a book. And I was like, did I say that? Yes, you did. Yes, you did.

[Leah Weyer]

Sorry, Molly.

[Emisha Gormley]

And your exact words were, listen, I think you're great, but you have this mom, funny relatability, authentic self on one side. And on the other side, you said you have this world of, you know, fashion, entertainment, travel. And there is no middle. You have a left and a right and you need a middle.

[Leah Weyer]

I remember this so clearly.

[Emisha Gormley]

And you Know, I was already like, I was already 12 months into writing the third book. I have an outline, I have chapters.

I think I wrote some stuff, had.

A ghostwriter who I loved. And that was four and a half years ago. I said to her, I'm like, I can't start a podcast anyway, that's our backstory. I love Leah Wired. She's a fucking force. And I'm so thrilled to have you because you, you know, I think at the time, I think at the time you were president of Birdie.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yes, it was Birdie.

It was Birdie.

And you were a guest on our podcast when we first launched.

Yeah, exactly. It was the very first. Anyway, I just had to bring it back up. That's, you know, it feels like it's forever ago. And it also feels like it's.

[Leah Weyer]

It's true. It's true.

[Emisha Gormley]

But your advice helped me and Emisha, you know, both not become experts per se, but to be able to have to sit in these seats, have this platform, get to speak to like incredible doctors and surgeons and, you know, people of power and just expertise, expertise in their field.

[Leah Weyer]

So I think that's incredibly generous. It's probably a 1% true. But I am, I am grateful for you to saying that. Thank you.

[Emisha Gormley]

Okay, so I want to do a little bit of a background because you are literally the president of beauty, style and entertainment at the some of the biggest brands in the world. How did you get to be where you are today?

[Leah Weyer]

Well, I know we're always trained as women to not say luck, but like there was a lot of luck. Let's just be serious. And I think that is true for a lot of people. I, when I first got into the business, became a beauty and style editor. At the time it was Health magazine, which is no longer.

[Emisha Gormley]

But I loved health.

[Leah Weyer]

I loved health too. It was so smart and just like always on like the next thing. And it was so good. And it, it was owned by Time Inc. At the time. And I was just happened to throw a resume into a folder in my college career center just on a whim, like a total gut. And it turned out. And by the way, I had zero qualifications for that job, like no internship. I was a psych major. I had no journalistic background. And it turned out that the person who hired me for that job was an alumni of my very, very tiny college. And we just had chemistry. It was just, we just got along. She wanted somebody to just come in that she could teach. Almost like a old school apprentice, you know, and that's what she did.

[Emisha Gormley]

A mentor.

[Leah Weyer]

A mentor. And her name was Colleen Sullivan. And she is the biggest still influencer in my life. And she kicked off my career. And then I think having just sort of going through that. I was in print for 20 years. Like, I was at Cosmo for 10 years and self magazine and Fitness magazine. And I sort of knew that I wanted to just keep going, become a beauty director. But then the whole world changed in media. I mean, everything's so different now. And so a lot of what happened just had to happen because everything was evolving so much.

[Emisha Gormley]

But I think what's interesting about your career is because a lot of people, when that change happened, a lot of careers ended.

[Leah Weyer]

That's very true.

[Emisha Gormley]

And people didn't pivot. Pivot projects. You can pivot. Call Kim or Leah. But I think that what. That's what's been interesting. And I think if you could try to, like, you know, because there's a very big difference between what media was and what media is now.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

And I think a lot of people in the beginning, including myself, were like, no, I still love a print. I still love. I still love a paper. I still love. But you've had to pivot.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah. I mean, by the way, I still love print, too, actually. True story. Like, I just went back to getting a subscription to New York magazine this week because I was like, it's so good again. Like, it's just so great. But I. And I still love print. Like, people have prints weekly still, and.

[Emisha Gormley]

I still get people.

[Leah Weyer]

Thank you. But it's so. It's an. It's an important part of the ecosystem, but it's an ecosystem. And that was the thing. Thing that I definitely recognized when I went to the company that I'm at now, which was all digital media. When I moved over to Meredith to dot, Dash, it was the beginning. And then dot Dash acquired Meredith and got Print into the portfolio, which they never had before. So it was this little bit of a full circle. I think the thing that I say a lot of times is that I learned really quickly day one of my job to. And this was sort of looked down upon at the time, but to really become partners with the marketing and sales teams. And back then in the early 2000s, like, there was such a strong division. Division between church and state. It was a church and state line, and editors were supposed to do their stories and not have any knowledge or care about what the other side of the hallway or the floor beneath them was doing. I happened to. We were owned by Time Inc. Health Was but we were in a satellite office. Cause we were like just a non. You know, not as. As important brand as like at the time. They had people in Sports Illustrated and all these important brands that were at the time in life building. We were in a satellite office and therefore we were put. Myself, my boss and I were the only editors at the time in New York. Everyone else was in Birmingham, Alabama. And then the sales and marketing team were there. So I just from day one was with those people, created relationships. I liked them, they were fun. Like, they knew how to like have a good time. And we all. And I learned very quickly that if you could partner with them and understand.

[Emisha Gormley]

Their what, their what, they've gotta meet those numbers.

[Leah Weyer]

Yes, they have to meet their numbers. But I wasn't ever scared of that church and state line because it was very clear to me that you were never going to want to put together a program or some kind of editorial story that wouldn't resonate with your reader. Right? Like, and then the research that they were doing on their side was like, these brands know that our readers are buyers or potential buyers. So there always felt like there was a very strong relationship between what their partners were looking for and who our readers were. And I got really good at just trying to work with them and figure out the next thing. And that really became a very defining characteristic and how I was a beauty director and a lot of people didn't love that. Like that was not so common and it was a little bit like, you know, we are journalists and we are like following a story. And I loved also being a journalist and telling stories. But I also wanted to be super valuable to what the bottom line was at the company. And I think that is really what helped me progress through my career. Foreign.

[Emisha Gormley]

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[Emisha Gormley]

This sense, and I worked on the PR side. I always wanted to be on the editorial side, but I just got stuck doing pr. And I always felt that editors had this, like, very strong sense of, like, editorial integrity.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

Like, we are not dictated by the ad buys or the brands that are pitching us these ideas. Like, we want to maintain that integrity. How do you think? Because there has been such a shift. Right. Everything has. You know, there's so much digital now, and now there's the editorial directors that you work with at publications. But there's a shift now to, you know, affiliate.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

How do you feel like that has changed the landscape of magazines online and print?

[Leah Weyer]

Well, it's made the readers and the users much smarter. They know how it works. They understand the business. I mean, before that was.

[Emisha Gormley]

They had no clue.

[Leah Weyer]

No. It was the wizard of Oz. And you had no idea what was behind that curtain.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yeah, exactly. Totally.

[Leah Weyer]

But it's. It's made everybody smarter. And I think actually people don't really care now. It's like, it's not a thing. They understand it. They know that people are getting paid for a piece of what they're selling. If they like it they're gonna buy it.

[Emisha Gormley]

And if they don't, they're not. They're not.

[Molly Sims]

Right?

[Leah Weyer]

I mean, it's the reason why when you scroll through Instagram, you almost don't care that you're getting ads because it's actually helping you. Like, I buy so much off of Instagram now, and I don't think that in the beginning it was like that, but it shifted so, so quickly. And it has so much to do with the influencer economy, for sure.

[Emisha Gormley]

What advice do you give? Because I think young women right now, they're. Everybody is like, trying to be a content creator. What advice do you give young women who are entering the industry today who want to have it all, who want to do it? Do you think it's possible? What does that look like?

[Leah Weyer]

I think it is possible. I mean, there are still versions of the job that I did for 20 years that are still around. The advice that I have for them is just like, buckle up. Because this industry is completely changing. I mean, honestly, by the day, you.

[Emisha Gormley]

Have to change with it.

[Leah Weyer]

You have to. And there have been so many people, I think the people who I've, who've worked with me for so long, that's just, that's the thing that they all have in common is that they're not afraid to try something new. They're not.

[Emisha Gormley]

And if you, if you resist, it's the same thing with Wise. It's like, we're gonna pivot this calendaring that everybody loves to live by. Like, it's so hard to calendar you because you listen, you have to have, you know, can't change on a dime, but you gotta be. If you have to, you got to.

[Leah Weyer]

I mean, we went through that a long time ago. Where I remember, I don't know, five, six, seven years ago, the ad team was like, we need an edit calendar and we need this. And I'm like, why? Like, what's an edit calendar Gonn? Like, we're coming up with stories that we're responding to in the moment every hour. Like, that an edit calendar is meaningless. And so those kind of things that were just common in the business, they're done. And you do have to get really comfortable with just reading the room and then responding with the way that you have to respond as a brand, whatever that means for your brand. And it's just a constant. This. You, I don't know, you have to have the stomach for that type of change and that type of fast pace and the.

[Emisha Gormley]

What's the definition of a startup right now?

[Leah Weyer]

That's what it is. Even people's 50 years old, over 50, it still functions like a startup now. It has to. So legacy. If you don't function that way as a legacy brand, you're done.

[Emisha Gormley]

I think it's also amazing. We have so much more data now, right? So it's like think about back in the early days, people were advertising, you had no idea if that actually converted. Now you can, within seconds of sharing something, start to see data in real time. And that data allows you to be nimble and change and pivot because you see, oh crap, that didn't work. We need to pivot and move to this or this resonated. Let's lean more into this. Like, I think that has made it more powerful and I think it's giving people, the readers, the community, online, whatever it is, more input. And so it's feeding it.

[Leah Weyer]

I mean, they absolutely have more input. And what, you know, oftentimes it's like we joke that, like the next story is in the comments because, like, you just are digging through and you're like, oh my God, that's genius. And it becomes a headline. And it's like everywhere you. Everything that your brand touches is an opportunity to tell a story. And that is a gift for so many of us who, you know, when you were, when you were only putting out a monthly magazine, you only had so much space, but your ideas were like coming out of your ears and you just wanted to get so much out there. And for people like that who love to storytell and just want endless opportunities, that has happened. It's a matter of making sure that you can be the first person to either report it or the first person to see it and have a point of view on it. That's what keeps the brands relevant, not the aggregation and just kind of like the churn of it all. And that's the challenge because you really do need people who sort of grew up in the business in a way and understand how to tell stories in a unique perspective. You need them.

[Emisha Gormley]

You need to announce that point of view.

[Leah Weyer]

You have to. Otherwise it's like it's just vanilla and it doesn't make a dent.

[Emisha Gormley]

Beauty, style and entertainment trends, let's go. What's one beauty trend you're obsessed with right now?

[Leah Weyer]

One beauty trend I'm obsessed with is it's a little bit of a boring one. But it's so important, I think, because we all are obsessed with our skin, you guys. I mean, your skin is like to die for. And for a long time, I Think everybody talked about this, like, microbiome and microbiome and blah, blah, blah. But I do think that right now there is this movement toward getting really big treatments, like once or twice a year, like a Fraxel or, you know, obviously our new CO2. Yeah. Like needles and all of that too. But sort of saving up that big moment, like once or twice a year, and then really just like being gentle with your skin the rest of the year.

[Emisha Gormley]

That's wise. I mean, it's conceives the magic with really good products. You know, it's your exfoliator. Exactly.

[Leah Weyer]

You can use it every day. And so. And that's the. That, like, turtle. Like. Like the tortoise. Right. Like the tortoise is so much better than trying to just.

[Emisha Gormley]

I think what we were seeing, and you know, this is where I saw a big a white space, is that you had all of these women in like 2010, 2012, 2015, doing like microdermabrasion. Microdermabrasion, like these harsh barrier. And then sadly, 10, 15 years later, they can't even keep makeup on their face because they have messed up their barrier so much. Right.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

So again, doing something drastic, it still has to be monitored. It still has to be like, if not like. I see a lot of women make a lot of mistakes, but they were doing that on a daily, weekly, monthly basis.

[Leah Weyer]

Totally. And the hyperpigmentation that, it causes the irritation that I cause in it. You just, you. You see so many people with eczema and prosthetis.

[Emisha Gormley]

And I look better.

[Leah Weyer]

Exactly.

[Emisha Gormley]

Less is more.

[Leah Weyer]

I am. I'm obsessed. Obsessed with just like the pampering of it all and like the barrier creams and just, you know that. And then, you know, the 363 days of the year I do that. And then there's two that I just go wild on and. And my heel. My skin heals better from that because.

[Emisha Gormley]

Because you're not. It's not in constant irritation.

[Leah Weyer]

Exactly.

[Emisha Gormley]

What do you think is the most overrated beauty product right now?

[Leah Weyer]

Product is hard. I actually think there's a lot of overrated beauty products. Can I tell you the thing that I regret most and the thing that I'm most wary of and that I tell people to watch out for is under eye filler with a camera.

[Emisha Gormley]

I couldn't agree more.

I could not agree more.

[Leah Weyer]

I have to tell you, I got convinced to do it once. My under eyes did not recover for a year and a half. It was great. Well, that was. It was a few years ago. And it's okay now, but it was, like, really oddly puffy for a long time, and then when it was settling, it got really creepy, and I just kind of couldn't get the texture back. And it's better now, but it took a long time. And so I am very cautious and tell people, like, don't do it. You just. You have to be careful with your cuts.

[Emisha Gormley]

I think it's better to cut.

I'm doing cut.

[Leah Weyer]

I agree with you. I totally agree with you. And it's. You see these things, and everyone starts doing. Doing them and their headlines and headlines.

[Emisha Gormley]

And it's like, just like the. The. The buccial. The. When you remove the My girl, that face is gonna fall.

[Leah Weyer]

It's not 20 years. It's not gonna be good in a few years.

[Emisha Gormley]

Maybe that'll put that beautiful fat away from your face.

[Molly Sims]

I know.

[Leah Weyer]

It's so that stuff I'm cautious about.

[Emisha Gormley]

What's your take on tweakments? We see everyone from celebs to influencers are more open about Botox filler. I mean, I thought it was incredible that Kylie Jenner was giving us her breast implant. Size under the muscle, half, under, whatever. Sheena. I thought. I don't know. I was pleased in that. I think why I started lipstick on the rim with Emisha is because so many people gatekeeping, and they wouldn't tell you what they did. So for me, her coming out and being like, okay, I did this, this, this, and this, I find it quite refreshing.

[Leah Weyer]

It's refreshing. I think what it does is it shows everybody that this, like, what was that? I woke up like this. Or whatever that moment was a while back is like, such bs and we all know that. And everyone's getting work and everybody is trying to be different, even if there's just, like you said, tweaks. And I, of course, like, I tell everybody about it. I mean, there were certain moments I think I remember in 2012, coming up with this story for Cosmo called the Secret Botox Society, because we were finding out from derms and plastics that women were going in and being like, here's my husband's credit card. Like, don't itemize the bill. And just, like, he doesn't know, right? And this was happening, and it was, like, such a thing. And it's not like that anymore. I mean, I think my poor husband thought I was, like, not doing anything to my skin for 10 years. And one day he found out, and he was like, what?

[Emisha Gormley]

Brooks kissed me good. Goes what you do Botox and I was like, I mean, maybe.

[Leah Weyer]

And he goes, really?

[Emisha Gormley]

Meanwhile, my kids, this true story. This past weekend, we were at my mother in law's house and they were playing dolls and my two youngest in my middle were like, it's time for Botox.

[Leah Weyer]

No.

[Emisha Gormley]

And they were putting a pen.

[Leah Weyer]

You are raising them right. You are raising them right. And I'm like, yep, but isn't this good? Like, I mean, honestly, to me, there was such a risk in people not knowing. I mean, not knowing, right? But not admitting that this was happening. And then there's like, you're looking on social and all these people look so amazing and who are you to be like, oh my God, I look terrible? And then there's this like social dysmorphia that happens. And like, it's better to be vocal about it, but there's always things and always curves that think that go through people not admitting to that. Like right now, GLP1 is that now exactly like GLP1 is the new filler.

[Emisha Gormley]

I've only lost 65 pounds at 52 years old, but I'm just doing hot yoga and watching what I eat.

[Leah Weyer]

So we're gonna get to a point where everybody is, you know, doing that and everyone's admitting into it. Not afraid. But there's always going to be a thing that it takes a moment for people to be comfortable admitting. And we are now in a place, thankfully, that people do admit what they're doing to their body and face for the most part.

[Emisha Gormley]

In terms of wellness trends, like, what are you loving or beauty?

[Leah Weyer]

Well, you probably can see maybe in my ear, on my ear. Can you see this little page? Have you guys done ear seeds?

[Emisha Gormley]

I have, yeah.

[Molly Sims]

You have?

[Emisha Gormley]

I have.

[Leah Weyer]

So usually you do them at the acupuncturist and they put like a little. It's like a bead. Some people. It looks like an earring.

[Molly Sims]

It looks like an earring.

[Leah Weyer]

It's a little bead and it corresponds to different acupressure points in your body. And so there's a million of them in your ear that are attached to like your neck and your jawline and your spine and all these things. So now there's this brand called by Ava. Ava is her. That's how you spell it. And she has these pretty. They're like ear strips almost. And you put. You look at the little ear map and you place them where you need them. And I've had these on for three days. My cousin, who's an influencer, put them on me because she got them sent to her. And I'm obsessed with them because every couple of hours, I'll reach up and kind of just like, squeeze it, press it.

[Molly Sims]

Yeah.

[Leah Weyer]

And it's supposed to help with tension in those areas, and then that is supposed to help with, like, you know, fluid buildup and all of these things. This woman has some incredible befores and afters on her Instagram. I have nothing to do with this brand. I'm just sort of obsessed with it at the moment. But when I look at my feed, I'm like, oh, I can tell what my obsessions are right now. And my obsessions right now are, like, all about lymphatic drainage, lymph fascia, everything. And that's sort of what I think where we're moving as, you know, a wellness society, is understanding the role that all that plays in, you know, inflammation and just.

[Emisha Gormley]

I love a hot sauna. I love a cold plunge. I've loved it for years. I want to do the ear seating.

[Leah Weyer]

The ear seating is very cool.

[Emisha Gormley]

I did it a few years ago with my acupuncturist.

I love acupuncture. That's the best.

[Leah Weyer]

It's the best.

[Emisha Gormley]

I haven't gone in a few months.

I know I need to go. I love when the muscle releases and they. They. They hit the point, and you can feel it release.

[Leah Weyer]

It's just. It's. It's amazing.

[Emisha Gormley]

And it's so good for your body.

[Leah Weyer]

It's amazing.

[Emisha Gormley]

How do you spot trends that you think are actually going to stick?

[Leah Weyer]

What works? I mean, I think at the end of the day, like, that's it.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yeah.

You.

[Leah Weyer]

Things get a little bump and a little push, and it might. But you're gonna buy it a second time. Like, if it works, you're gonna buy it a second time. If it works, that becomes a business. But if it's just like a flash in the pan, like, that's fine. There's a place for that stuff. Like, there's a place for neon green eyeliner at times in your life, but you probably weren't gonna buy more than one. So it's just like, the stuff that is consistently your entire line is like, what this is. It's like, it works. You're gonna use it every day. It's gonna make you feel and look good. Like, those are the things that people are drawn to.

[Emisha Gormley]

Come back for more.

[Leah Weyer]

That's it. Right? Who's coming back for seconds?

[Emisha Gormley]

What's hot now in fashion? We're in fall. We're in it.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah, we're getting there, right? We were talking the other day with the InStyle team and even the Byrdy team, because there's this Y2K kind of, like, 90s thing that has been, like, kicking around for, but I think is, like, going to be much bigger. Maybe not just in the trend idea. Cause I think a lot of that surfaced when it was, like, the Clueless anniversary and all these fun moments that were happening. Freaky Friday and all of that. But I think what it's gonna manifest in the fall is, like, big, bright colors. It's like, we saw these yellows and turquoise and mints and fuchsias, and all of that is pushing us to a place that is not boring or minimalist. That's happening in beauty, too. Like, fashion is, like, lots of prints and patterns mixed together. And, like, I kind of love that spirit. I think we need it now. Like, there's so much ugh in the world. Like, you just sometimes look to fashion to bring you joy. And I'm ready for that. Like, I'm so, so ready for that.

[Emisha Gormley]

I can't wait for Justin Anderson. I'm so excited for Dior.

[Molly Sims]

Oh, my God.

[Leah Weyer]

Exactly. I mean, that's the other thing that's happening is, like, all of the.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yeah, Shake up.

[Leah Weyer]

Such a shakeup.

[Emisha Gormley]

And.

[Leah Weyer]

And all. Even the new legacy.

[Molly Sims]

Even our legs.

[Emisha Gormley]

So excited about the new Celine. I'm so excited. I'm just so excited. Like, I think fashion has needed it.

[Leah Weyer]

The lower end of that is like, I am also obsessed right now with everything that happened at the Gap.

[Emisha Gormley]

Oh, and I just wore a shirt.

For the Gap, literally.

[Leah Weyer]

I know.

[Emisha Gormley]

And it's like, I'm so happy.

[Leah Weyer]

It's this era that feels like when Marissa Webb was doing banana, and it's like, oh, my God, it's so much fun again. And it's great. And it's like. I don't know. I'm just old school.

[Emisha Gormley]

I'm excited for it.

I love it.

What are some designers or who are some designers that are on your radar that you think are going to be the next big thing? Anyone stand out?

Dustin?

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, all, like, all of that changeover that's happening now, all of those people. I don't know. I. That's a hard one for me. That's a hard one for me.

[Emisha Gormley]

There's a lot of new talent out there.

Yeah.

That's why I love the cfda, is you always can spot the new up and coming. But I agree with you. I think fashion. I don't know, we look to fashion to also make Us happy to. You know, I love it when it's big.

Well, you say when you look good, you feel good. When you feel good, you look good. That's Molly's and her mom's motto.

[Leah Weyer]

It's so true. I bought the reason I brought up the Gap was because I bought these, like, hot pink barrel jeans a few weeks ago, and I've worn them, like, once or twice a week this whole summer. And I know they're crazy, but, like, it's just fun, and it makes you.

[Molly Sims]

It's like.

[Leah Weyer]

It's like the equivalent of orange, you know, bright orange nails. It's like you just want to have fun in the summer, and there's a different moment for that in the fall. It feels a little more refined in the fall.

[Emisha Gormley]

This summer was all about color for me, because I feel like I wore so much neutral fall and winter last year that I was like, this is the season of color for me.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

I think on the jackets, I was with Elise Walker. If you don't know Elise Walker, she's an incredible story, incredible person. Check her out. But she had a store in Southampton, and this fall, she came out with her first ever jacket. Her fall, like, kind of a oversized, but not oversized blazer. And what I'm seeing now that I love is that everything is not so oversized. It's a little bit paired, just a little bit more tailored and paired back. I got the best blazer from her. I'm gonna wear it next week. It is so pretty. It comes in two color shades, but I don't know that still that structured, beautiful blazer. I think you cannot go wrong.

[Leah Weyer]

No. And you. You congrats on your business of fashion award, too. What you wore to that event is like, my dream special event outfit. You had, like, a beautiful blazer over that beautiful beaded dress, or. I don't maybe I read the. If it was beading or not, it.

[Emisha Gormley]

Was retrofat or twp. I think it was.

[Leah Weyer]

It was amazing.

[Emisha Gormley]

Just like you did, like, a little bit of an oversized black. I think it was the row. I've had my. I've had that jacket for, like, four years. That's an investment piece was great, but it's so good. Yeah, it looks good on almost anyone.

[Leah Weyer]

It's my most favorite look.

[Emisha Gormley]

It's just, like, very Carolyn Bessette.

Yeah.

[Leah Weyer]

Very Carol. Well, I'm sure we'll see a lot.

[Emisha Gormley]

I think that's gonna be a lot of inspiration for fashion again.

[Leah Weyer]

Exactly. You know, it's the one thing that, you know, ever that that filming of that new series is. Is all over the place. It's been all over the place, which I kind of love because it's sort of putting this 90s back. Yes. And it's also giving us all something to talk about collectively. And I think that's the part of this fractured entertainment world that we're all living in now, where everyone's watching things at different times and this like monoculture is not happening the way it did when we all sat around on Sunday nights and watched Sopranos or Sex and City and talked about the shoe the next day. And it doesn't happen as often, but I'm feeling like some of these shows that have this throwbackness to them, people jump on it quickly and people start talking about it and it kind of creates this wave. And so I need more of that. Like, I need more.

[Emisha Gormley]

I love it. I love when, you know, I watch a show and like you bring back that fashion because like that 90s Carolyn, Calvin Klein fast.

I just think Carolyn and I look at her style, I always like, she's to me, like one of those like all time style inspirations. Because you can't really put an era, yes, she was the 90s, but you can't put an era to what she wore. It was, you know, timeless. It was the very definition of timeless. And you can pick that outfit up and drop it into today, anytime. And it works.

[Leah Weyer]

It's so true.

[Emisha Gormley]

It works.

It's just something you wear. Her headband, her. It was just how she wore her pants, the way she did the belts and the jeans. I'm like.

And it's sort of funny because I do think, and in a very different way, but like, sometimes I'll see street style pictures of the Olsen twins and them too. Like they aren't so much about the trend of the moment, it's their style. And I really like you. I've seen pictures recently where I'm like.

[Molly Sims]

Was this taken last week or six years ago?

[Emisha Gormley]

I can't tell because their style has been consistent.

[Leah Weyer]

It is. And the consistency of it. And I think like, you can, if, if trends and chasing trends are your thing, if you're consistent, then like, that's your look. Right. And it can work for you. But that is a. That is such an understated consistency that is really, really hard to pull off every day. It looks easy and it's hard.

[Emisha Gormley]

It is hard.

[Molly Sims]

So hard.

[Emisha Gormley]

Because it's not about one loud piece.

No, no.

It's just how you wear it, how.

[Molly Sims]

You put it together.

[Emisha Gormley]

It's Is it slouchy? Is it styled? Is it belted? Is it fitted?

[Leah Weyer]

It's the trip.

[Emisha Gormley]

If it's fitted on the bottom, they're always gonna be oversized on top. If it's fitted on the top, they're all like, yeah, but it's very hard to pull off.

[Leah Weyer]

It is.

[Emisha Gormley]

It's done.

It's so interesting. It's done. It's done so well. I also think that sort of, to me, like, you chase trends when you're younger, trying to figure out who you are.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

And I think that to me is like, none of us. I don't think, like, we. Maybe we'll throw a pair of barrel legged jeans on, but, like, more because we finally realize they can actually be flattering as opposed to, I look bow legged.

[Molly Sims]

Right.

[Emisha Gormley]

You know, that's true. But I think as you get older, it's less about the trends and more about knowing what suits you.

Exactly. It's also how you wear it. Like, I see some girls, I'm like, how in the world are you pulling it off? And you're like, especially in Newark. I love this. The one thing I love, because I was from Kentucky and I would always come here, and I'm like, oh, my God. I just. The assistant to the assistant to the assistant looked fabulous. Like, even, you know, we're shooting in New York today and I saw a girl, we were having lunch and I'm like, ugh, it's a great outfit.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah. I actually saw somebody on the street just now too. And I'm like, I wish I had something. I could just, like, take the photo.

[Emisha Gormley]

But it's also the confidence in how someone wears it. Like, I think Carolyn, she probably could have looked good in a paper bag, but Bassette had this way. Even Kate Moss, whatever they wore, they wore it with such confidence. Swagger, Swagger.

They had swagger.

[Leah Weyer]

That's what you're drawn to, too. It's not just the. Just the look.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yeah. What's one item you think every woman should invest in?

[Leah Weyer]

So, I mean, for me, it's a black pump that you can wear with everything.

[Emisha Gormley]

I mean, like a black Pumplix.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah. And I like, you just. You need. That's the investment. You did a great story on your Instagram or maybe it's on your grid. And you talked about how you're like, these are my shoe workhorses. Right. Like, the things that you invest in that you can wear all the time. And shoes, to me, like, your outfit, you can pick out your shoes first and pick the rest of the outfit. Second, because it's like, it makes the whole thing.

[Emisha Gormley]

I think accessories, jackets, bags, shoes. I think they're so much more important than people give them credit for. Like, I can be like, you can be in the best outfit. I'm like, what bag are you taking?

Well, I think you wore something earlier today, and I was staring at it. You wore a pair of jeans, a white T shirt, and a black cardigan, but you had that cape belt on, and it was your outfit.

[Leah Weyer]

That's it. That's the thing.

[Emisha Gormley]

It's the finishing touches. I think that's something that is so sometimes overlooked is what are the finishing touches? Is it a great necklace? Is it a great shoe, a great bag? But those. And then sometimes in tandem, all of it together is the spice. It's the seasoning to what you're wearing.

[Leah Weyer]

It's true. There's like. I think there's a. I sort of live on the real real and chase the thing. And it's like I have had my eye on these. I think they were the Celine melody shoe. And it's like a triple Mary Jane. A triple strap Mary Jane. Really, really high platform. I will. It will be so hard to wear this shoe.

[Molly Sims]

Right?

[Emisha Gormley]

You will find a way.

[Leah Weyer]

But I will find a way because I'm obsessed with it. And it's like those pieces that you, like, can't stop thinking about, like, just a simple Celine sweater or like, I.

[Emisha Gormley]

Found the best Celine sailor tee on there that I wanted. And I'm like, obsessed with it.

[Leah Weyer]

It's just like, it's good for, you know, just obsessing over and then finally pulling the trigger.

[Molly Sims]

And you feel better because you're like.

[Emisha Gormley]

I didn't pay full retail. Right?

[Leah Weyer]

Right?

[Emisha Gormley]

This week on Lipstick on the rim, we sat down with the one and only Rachel Zo. And wow, this episode is a ride.

[Molly Sims]

We talked about everything.

[Emisha Gormley]

Motherhood, divorce, finding herself again, joining Real Housewives literally overnight. And then she said this.

[Rachel Zoe]

Can I tell you a true story in Covid? In the darkness of COVID I had a cat eye every single day where nobody saw me. Not one soul. And when I had Covid, not even my ex husband saw me or my children. And you know what I did? I went into my bathroom, I did a black liquid liner, put on lashes, black liner in the waterline, A folip did my hair and sat in my bed. And that is what I did. And I looked at myself and I said, you are not a well person. I said, are you fucking okay? You have 104 fever.

[Leah Weyer]

You are like.

[Rachel Zoe]

You are like contagion right now.

[Emisha Gormley]

If you love fashion, beauty, or bravo, this Rachel Zoe episode is a must. It's out now.

There is a lot of debate between drugstore and prestige. Are there any products you swear by that's more on the drugstore side of things?

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah, I mean, I'll say drugstore and also include Amazon, because I do think, like, that you can find some, like, 20, $30 thing things. I came across recently, this gel cleanser by a company called Cure. Have you guys heard of this? It's one of those very strange cleansers that you just kind of lather and lather and lather, and then stuff starts to, like, ball up. It's almost like an exfoliating cleanser. And you. It's very satisfying to use because it's like. You remember when you used to rub your face with an oxy pad and you're like, oh, it's so satisfying. Like, it feels like that. But I'm obsessed with that. And that's like a $20 cleanser cure. There's a line called Maylove M A E L O V E that I'm also loving. It's like super, no frill skincare, but really good. Like, the hydrator is a hyaluronic acid serum. I really love that. And then something called. I'm not gonna maybe pronounce it right. Astura, A E S T U R A. And it is made from Amore Pacific. So it's a. I love army.

[Emisha Gormley]

I love Amore.

[Leah Weyer]

So it has, like, great science in it, great Korean skincare, but just an amazing, thick, yummy cream. So I actually do think you can find stuff.

[Emisha Gormley]

Amore Pacific had that really incredible tinted moisturizer back in the day. They had a store in soho and we would buy it there.

Do you know Amore Pacific has an incredible mask still to this day. Really very good. Because this is lipstick on the rim. And we have to ask. We wouldn't be beauty and wellness without it. What is your morning routine? Makeup routine. Beauty routine.

[Leah Weyer]

So, so simple. I don't wash my face in the morning. I put moisturizer on over top of a hyaluronic acid serum of some sort. Just because I think my foundation looks better. And then it's just pretty simple from there.

[Emisha Gormley]

Like, what's your favorite foundation?

[Leah Weyer]

Luminous silk. Armani. I'm obsessed.

[Emisha Gormley]

Everybody loves that.

You would like the makeup by Mario. It's similar.

[Leah Weyer]

Oh, okay. I'll try that.

[Emisha Gormley]

The luminous silk is an OG though. It's a holy grail.

It really Is. Are there other holy grail makeup products you have?

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah. You know what I love? You know, Jones Road Bobby Brown, like, so good. But she makes a mascara that's unbelievable, and it's clean.

[Emisha Gormley]

I don't know if I know that's a mascara. I think she might have sent it to me.

[Leah Weyer]

I'll try it. It's really good. It's very hard to make a clean mascara.

[Emisha Gormley]

And Victoria Beckham did a really good job.

I have Victoria Beckham on right now. I'm obsessed with it.

The vast lashes.

[Leah Weyer]

Obsessed with that.

[Emisha Gormley]

Obsessed.

[Leah Weyer]

Obsessed with so much.

[Emisha Gormley]

Me, too. In her powder, her bronzing powder.

Bronzing powder is so good. And her eyeliners.

[Leah Weyer]

I was just gonna say her eyeliners. I mean, they don't get enough attention because it's such a simple product.

[Emisha Gormley]

I know, but it's, like, the right amount of smudge. You can just.

[Rachel Zoe]

It's.

[Emisha Gormley]

It's playable. It's so good.

[Leah Weyer]

I love it. I'm obsessed with it.

[Emisha Gormley]

I agree.

Little rapid fire last beauty product you.

[Leah Weyer]

Finished, Tammy Fender quintessential serum.

[Molly Sims]

I know.

[Emisha Gormley]

It's very good.

I think we just. You just answered this. But your desert island mascara.

[Leah Weyer]

Oh, I have too many of them. But I think Bobby Brown. Or maybe. Maybe Victoria Beckham, A celeb who gets.

[Emisha Gormley]

It right every time.

[Leah Weyer]

Mm. God, that's hard. Uh, you know who I think gets it right these days? Dochi. I'm sort of obsessed with everything she wears.

[Emisha Gormley]

Oh, that's so fun.

[Leah Weyer]

Head to toe. Head to toe anxiety.

[Emisha Gormley]

What's your signature scent? Scent?

[Leah Weyer]

Oh, do you know Adas Devonustas? It was a little, tiny fragrance shop in the Village.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yes, of course.

Oh, my God, yes.

We love it.

[Leah Weyer]

So good. They make a fragrance called Iris Nazarene, and I'm like, I. It is my power fragrance.

[Emisha Gormley]

It was next to Bongiorno or whatever. Like, it was just down the street from. In the West Village, right? Yeah, I know exactly the story you're talking about.

[Leah Weyer]

Magical. So magical.

[Emisha Gormley]

Is it still open? Open?

[Leah Weyer]

I think it is, but maybe they changed the location, But I'm almost positive it's still magnolia.

[Emisha Gormley]

Near.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah. Yeah, it's, like, near that bleed area. But I love that fragrance. It's so unique, and I've never smelled anything like it.

[Emisha Gormley]

Gold or silver jewelry?

[Leah Weyer]

Gold.

[Emisha Gormley]

Worst beauty advice you'd ever received.

[Leah Weyer]

I was eight months pregnant, and I had a stylist cut my hair from like this to, like, chopped, like, a. Almost layered. And I regret every moment of it because every picture that I had with My baby son looks terrible.

[Emisha Gormley]

Oh my God.

Beach vacation or city escape?

[Leah Weyer]

I like a combo.

[Emisha Gormley]

Me too.

Unpopular opinion.

[Leah Weyer]

This is not beauty. But I don't love a gentle parenting approach.

[Emisha Gormley]

Yeah, we don't. We don't either.

We don't either.

Favorite cocktails?

[Leah Weyer]

You know, I guys, I love, I just like love a beer. I love a Kate May beer. You might know it cuz you're a Jersey girl.

[Emisha Gormley]

I am a Jersey girl.

She's a spicy K but before it.

Became popular, I feel like now everybody's like a spicy skinny marg and I'm like, I've been drinking it for a while.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Emisha Gormley]

When you travel, do you pack heavy or pack light?

[Leah Weyer]

I'm a pretty light packer.

[Emisha Gormley]

We always ask every guest before they go. I think I've asked you this before, but what would you. What advice would you give your 10 year old self?

[Leah Weyer]

That nobody has it figured out and you'll figure it out.

[Emisha Gormley]

Can I tell you something though? I think you've figured it out. You are the president of InStyle People Verde. And I think you. I think you're good.

I think you got it. I think you're good.

I think you're good. I think you got it. Thank you. I really appreciate everything you guys have to follow her. Leah Weyer. L E A H W Y A R. You're amazing. And thank you for making her do.

The podcast because I'd be unemployed otherwise podcast.

But I actually enjoy it. You know, it takes a lot of work. We have an incredible team with Rosie and, and Kenna and Sophine and just, you know, Emisha and everything. But we really, we really do learn a lot.

[Molly Sims]

Right.

[Emisha Gormley]

And we're also, you know, the guest writing everything down as well.

[Leah Weyer]

Yeah. You guys do such a good job.

[Emisha Gormley]

And we really enjoy it. So thank you for talking me into it. Thank you. Like this doesn't work. I' thank you. Make sure and follow people. InStyle, Birdie, all of it. And as always, thank you guys for listening and we love you. Don't forget we have our full length episodes on YouTube. Make sure and check out our substack and follow us. Ipstic on the rim and tell us more. Tell us what you want. Tell us what guests you want. Everybody loves, you know, you and what you do and how you do it. And that's why we wanted to have you on this week.

[Molly Sims]

Week.

[Emisha Gormley]

You're amazing.

[Leah Weyer]

Thank you.

[Emisha Gormley]

You're welcome. Thank you. Thanks for listening to Lipstick on the Rim with Molly Sims and My Ride or Die. Emisha, gormley we are so excited to bring you guys along on this journey with us. You can find us on Instagram and TikTok at Lipstick on the Rim and Molly B. Sims. Or you can go to my blog where you can dive just a little bit deeper into my favorite products, trends and [e-mail] and don't forget to check out our video episodes on my YouTube channel. Molly Simon this podcast is production with Sony Music. I wanted to give a special thanks to my team, Rosie Cummings, Ken Orion, Sophie Kevorkian and everyone at Sony Music. Don't forget to listen and follow wherever you get your podcasts so you never miss out on the fun.