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Live Wild with Remi Warren
Ep. 211 | The perfect arrow and getting dialed for your next hunt
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In this conversation, Remi Warren discusses the critical aspects of archery and hunting, emphasizing the importance of bow tuning, arrow stabilization, and energy transfer. He shares insights on effective hunting techniques, the significance of practice, and the selection of appropriate equipment. Additionally, he highlights the mental aspects of hunting and the ethical considerations surrounding conservation.
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Remy Warren
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Brian Broderick
I'm Remy Warren and I've lived my life in the wild as a professional guide and hunter. I've spent thousands of days perfecting my craft. I want to give that knowledge to you. In this podcast, we relive some of my past adventures as I give you practical hunting tips to make you more successful. Whether you're just getting started or a lifelong hunter, this podcast will bring you along on the hunt and teach you how to live wild. This podcast is brought to you by Mountain Tough and Yeti. Now, for those that don't know, Mountain Tough is an online based training app that's designed for hunters to train you both mentally and physically for the mountains so you can go on. And there's programs designed with workouts that are specifically made to get you ready for the things you're going to encounter out there in the wild. And while a lot of you probably know that their programs are designed to get you ready, they also have programs designed to keep you ready during the season. It really is a year round process to help you be the best you can be on the hunt. If you're looking for a great gift this holiday season, Yeti has you covered with their Rambler drinkware. It's a leak. Fruit, stackable, ton of different colors and everything for drinking water, coffee, wine or beer. They even have shot glasses and flasks. They're great stocking stuffers and an awesome gift to give this holiday season. All right, everyone, welcome back to the Live Wild podcast. This week we're gonna actually be diving into arrows, arrow setups, broadheads. We're gonna be going through everything that you're gonna need to know to get good arrow flight and get ready for next season. And this week I'm actually joined by the founder of Day six, Arrows and Broadheads, Brian Broderick. And Brian's gonna sit down with me. We're gonna kind of go through some of the stuff that we've got at Day six, but also just helping you understand the right setup for hunting and why now might actually figure your setup out. Brian, thanks for jumping on the podcast with me today.
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Remy Warren
Heck yeah.
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Brian Broderick
I know.
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Remy Warren
Excited to do it.
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Brian Broderick
I know we get a lot of questions. You know, since I took over Day six as the owner, you've been still on as the founder and running things. And you're the guy that I bounce all my questions off of when I have everything. And I know that we've got a lot of questions from people saying, okay, what should I get for this particular setup or that particular setup, which I think we'll touch on today. But also one of the things that I really wanted to talk about was this idea of the importance of your tune on your bow and getting that proper arrow flight. We've talked about it in the past, but I know you're a big proponent of it. I'm a big proponent of it. That arrow flight is the key. You've got these really good high quality arrows now they just have to be flying the right way out of that bow to maximize what you're getting out of the product or the arrow or your entire setup.
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Remy Warren
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of, it kind of defeats the purpose if you spend all, you know, spend a lot of money on arrows and broadheads and things and then your bow is not properly tuned, the timings off or center shots off. It doesn't really matter what you spend or what kind of quality you have, you're still going to struggle with Aeroflight. And you know, as you and I, I think both Soundly agree Aeroflight is 99 of where penetration comes from. Forgiveness, accuracy. I mean, it's basically everything. And so, you know, that should be, you know, what everyone strives to have perfect. Regardless of what you're shooting, bow wise, gear wise, anything, it's got to be a strive for, you know, perfect air flight at all times.
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Brian Broderick
Yeah, I think the one thing that, you know, I get when I'm talking to people and you know, it's funny because you get, especially when you go, when I go to like a sporting show or whatever, like I don't know, something like Hunt Expo or something like that. And the amount of people you talk to, there's every kind of from entry level bow hunters to guys that have been doing a long time. And then there's, there seems to be kind of a misconception or a misunderstanding sometimes when a bow, you know what the importance of that bow tune means. Because I think that I've encountered guys. Well, as a guide and outfitter, we'll have guys that come in and I was actually just writing an article about this for Bugle magazine a couple days ago and it kind of made me want to talk about it on the podcast as well. Because one of the things that I used to see all the time was, and it's like the worst thing you can see as a guide is guys would show up to camp, they'd have their field tips in their case and be like, all right, you know, they're shooting. We always shoot the bows before we Go out hunting. And I'd be like, okay. I'd look and like, where are your broadheads? Oh, yeah, they're in the. In the. And they pop the case out. And I'm like, okay. And they screw them on. I'm like, can you shoot a broadhead real quick? Let's. You've shot these, right? Oh, no, I, I haven't shot these, but on the package says these fly like field tips. And I'm like, oh, okay. And I mean, I could. I lost track. Like I would before the season. Ended up sending like, you know, emails, calls. 100 be like, shoot broadheads now. Don't shoot them in camp. Because guys would screw on their broadheads and their impacts would be completely different. They're like, oh, well, I'll just adjust my sight. Okay, well, what's the problem with that? They're adjusting their sight to match an arrow that isn't flying. Right. And then when things are a little bit off in your form and your posture and whatever your grip, everything that happens in the actual field, the margin of error that you now miss by is exponentially greater than a bow that your field tips your broadheads. Everything's flying out of that arrow perfectly straight, like, perfectly tuned. The margin of error that you have downrange when things are imperfect increases.
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Remy Warren
Well, it's like if you imagine your bow set up like a cone, the further further the air gets away from you, the more torque you've induced on your grip or the more your bow, your arrow is not properly spined or it's not properly tuned. All of these things is kind of a sum of all parts. And so as you get further away, that cone just opens up and those variables just, you know, multiply the further it gets away. And so for guys that, that shoot close range stuff, a lot of times they don't see, you know, these issues really like guys that shoot further distances do. And so. But what the guys that shoot close range don't see is that the further away an arrow gets, the more chance, like, veins have to, like, stabilize and start to tighten the spin and get everything. And so if your bow is not tuned, you may be able to hit where you're aiming at 20 or 30 yards, but that arrow is still trying to stabilize itself. So when it's hitting animals, it's not hitting, you know, in a straight, you know, perfect position to where the knob's directly behind the head, focusing all that energy. And so you've got all these different things that kind of combine to give basically everybody issues depending on whatever distance they're at, whatever distance they're shooting, whatever their alignment issues are. And it may even be a spine issue where you have the wrong spine error. So there's all of these different things that I think that what we should do today is try to, like, break down the ABC one, two, threes of, like, this is where you start. These are the things you have to make sure are right first before you try to get into that deep dive of, like, longer range, bear shaft tuning and things like that.
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Brian Broderick
So, yeah, and the main thing, I think that's. I think that's a great way to start.
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Remy Warren
And like, a main. The main thing is, like, first off, proper spine. So what's your draw length, your draw weight? What are your. What's your point weight going to be? And the proper spine is how's that arrow going to flex once you put up the energy to it from the boat? And.
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Brian Broderick
And I think we should even just go as simple as, like, breaking down the spine. Because I know so many people, like, look at the number on the arrow. They'll see three hundreds, 350s. And they're like, oh, I shoot three hundreds. I shoot three.
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Remy Warren
And they think it's the weight.
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Brian Broderick
And they think it's the weight. It's not the weight. It's the amount that that arrow flexes. And it's actually dynamic because as you change the length of the arrow, the amount that it's flexing is changing. So I've talked to people that are like, yeah, I shoot three. They're like, oh, I shoot three hundreds. Cause that's what they've always shot, right? And they're like, and I used to shoot 60 pounds, but now I'm shooting 75 pounds. And depending on their draw length, that might not still be the right arrow for your setup. The arrow is to match whatever your setup is right now. Not what you were shooting 10 years ago, not what your bow was doing when you first started. You know, that number shouldn't carry with you your whole life unless nothing else has changed every time. I mean, generally I'm shooting the same kind of setup, but there's been times where I've, you know, got a bow that I've got higher poundage. You know, I've actually changed my draw length over the years, you know, messed with different draw lengths and other things, and I'm constantly changing that or length of the arrow or the amount of weight this is. We're going deep now. The amount of weight that we're putting up front. Right. Can also Change the way that that arrow flexes. So let's talk about the spine. And I mean, kind of what it means is, is how that arrow is flexing. And so there's lighter spines and stiffer spines. Let's go through what those spines potentially mean for someone's setup.
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Remy Warren
Sure. So the, it's a little counterintuitive because the lower the number is, the stiffer the arrow is. And so the lower the number spine is for higher poundage, longer draw length type setup. So what that number means is when you span an arrow shaft between 2 points 28 inches and you hang a 1.94 pound weight in the middle, that number is how much in thousandths of an inch that arrow deflects once you hang that specific size weight on there. And so for a 250 spine, it only deflects 250,000ths of an inch. But a 500 spine actually deflects and flexes twice that much, 500,000ths of an inch. So it's weaker. And it's made for lighter poundages, shorter draw lengths, things like that. So people, a lot of people say spine doesn't matter that much. And with regards to target archery, you can get away with a lot more than you can with honey. Because with target archery, you're shooting a, you know, basically a glue in tiny field point, and you don't have any steerage on the front. So if that arrow over flexes or under flexes a little bit, it's not as critical. But bow hunting and target archery are two different worlds. And when you add a broadhead on the front, that's like putting bangs on the front. So you're going to have. If an arrow is flexing too much, every time it's flexing and turning, the front is trying to steer, and that's where you get all this ceramic flight. So you're trying to find that perfect combination. It's like finding the right gear for the rear end of your car or finding the right prop size for your boat. So it gets maximum efficiency. And that's what the spine does. And that's why it's the most important thing with regards to aero choice. It's far more important than like the overall weight or anything like that is having the proper spine. And so it's just like, you know, getting the right size boots for your feet, you know, so. Yeah, and then once, once you get that set, let me back up on the spine. You have static spine and dynamic spine, like you mentioned, Remy. And dynamic spine is when you start to shorten or lengthen the shaft, or you start to add or reduce point weight. That's where the dynamic spine changes. So just a real quick analogy, you could take a full length 300 and it will flex the same with a certain shooter as maybe a 28 inch 350 when you cut 4 inches off of it. So you can manipulate the different static spine numbers by changing that weight or, you know, changing that length or adding or changing the point weight. And that's what dynamic spine means. So you could shoot a little longer 300 or a little shorter 350, just as an example.
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Brian Broderick
Yeah. I think one of the things, you know, people like, they're like, I'm just getting into archery. And then there's all this stuff on arrows, all this information. It actually seems very overwhelming, right?
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Remy Warren
Yes.
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Brian Broderick
But at the, at the basis of it, you don't really have to know every intricacy of what's going on. You just have to understand what can affect it and then how do I correct it? So for somebody that's just getting in, I mean, generally we can narrow down. Here's what you should be shooting based on two factors, draw length and draw weight. Right. And then we have like a baseline of. This is where we're going to start with the arrow. This is the arrow that you should be shooting. So how's that? Like, because it's obviously, you know, the draw length and the draw weight depends on whether you're going to need a stiffer spine, a weaker spine. Let's maybe just kind of run through and say, like, I'm a guy that's. That's never thought about arrows. I went, I got a bow set up 10 years ago. I. I've switched maybe the bow once or twice, and I've just kept the same arrows. That happens a lot. And that's probably, you know, I think sometimes the guys are like, dude, I got a new bow, and I hate the way that it shoots. And I think it's almost like a rifle enamity. Guys with guns understand this completely. Some guns don't shoot certain weight, both because the twist in the barrel, the whatever. It's like you got to go through some different. It's not that you have to go through different arrows, but it's the different spine, the different length, a few things to get that bow to shoot it right. What's happening is that bow is, you know, some. They're constantly making bows faster. They're making bows, whatever. If you have a bow that's faster with the same kind of Setup, it might adjust the way that that arrow flew for your other bow.
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Remy Warren
Well, yeah, because just as, as a simple example, let's say that you have a guy that is shooting a 15 year old Matthews, no camps and those bows are say they're both set at 70 pounds compared to like the new bow. Well, that bows IBO maybe 30ft per second less. It's the equivalent of the new bow shooting 6162 pounds. So you can't take the same arrows that you used on an older bow just because it was £70 and use it on this new one because it's, it's generating a lot more energy. And to your point, it's, you know, bows are just like rifles. They want a certain type of food. That's what's going to make them shoot the best. They, you know, you always want to feed them exactly what they want. And changing the length of the weight, point weight and all is, is a way to do that just to kind of fine tune it. But most guys get in the weeds on that before they ever even get their boat. The bow itself properly tuned, the center shot set correctly, the timing set correctly. And if those things aren't set right to start with, you're really always kind of fighting a losing battle. So if you know that you have the proper spine and a proper spine arrow should give you about a five pound range. So if you're still getting erratic flight or even consistent grouping left or right, you can't get that fixed. You have to look back to the bow. And so that's what a lot of guys overlook. And they'll go to their bow shop and the bow shop will shoot through paper with fletchings and they'll say, hey, this is. You got a bullet hole. Well, that's basically just a snapshot of where that arrow went through with that certain distance. And guys like me that, you know, have worked in both shops before, you know, I can, I can take a bow and shoot it through paper once and see how it tears. And then I can manipulate the grip pressure on the second shot and clean it up. I can apply to work to the, to the grip and clean up the tear. And so that's why you want to shoot your bow yourself when you're doing it. And so it's very, very important to take this time in the off season to go through and make sure that number one, you know, you've got the proper spine and you've got proper arrow setup and then you go through and make sure that your bow is properly aligned, timing's right, and you get that to where your bear shafts and your flesh tears are hidden together. And, you know, that's probably way too much for you and I to get into, but we have a really cool tuning guide on our website under our blog section that explains it. Really simple, makes it really easy, and hopefully you can do it yourself in your backyard and not have to go to a shop and get your cams adjusted. But that may be a possibility is having to get your cams adjusted.
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Brian Broderick
Yeah, I mean, one of the things that I like about the new bows now, like the bow that I've been shooting, the Matthews lift, and they just came out with the arc. You can adjust the cams yourself in your backyard the way that I've been. I mean, honestly, like, I haven't shot my last three bows through paper, really, because it. I mean, it tells me something, but it's just a starting point. It's more for my up and down tears, Right? Yep. But once I've got the center shot lined up, I'm essentially tuning mine at 60 yards with my broadheads. And I'm shooting broadheads and field points. And then I know that I have my rest and everything centered. And I'm just adjusting the cams to line up where essentially the field tip and the broadhead fixed blade broadhead are hitting in the exact same place at 60 yards. Once I've done that, everything out like, I mean, mine, my arrows fly true. I mean, I'll put on broadhead, I'll put on a field of as far as I would want to shoot in any practical way. I don't adjust my sights for anything. Shooting further distances with field tips or anything there. I mean, it's. It's dial. And I know that that arrow's flying straight from, you know, my draw with my grip and everything like that. The other thing that I've noticed is when it's like that little, like you saying, little tweaks in the hand and pressure change the overall, let's say the margin of missing downrange.
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Remy Warren
Yes.
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Brian Broderick
And make it a lot smaller. So I recently had set up a new bow. I didn't shift the cams or anything just to kind of see this was just very recently and shooting it. And I'm like, okay, with perfect form, it's shooting the same. So I know that it's off because my field tip and broadhead are impacting. My broadhead's impacting right of my field tips. Yeah. Okay, but. Okay, so I know that you know, but I cited in for the broadhead, let's say. So this is what a lot of people do. And you're like, dude, sighted in for Broadhead, out to 90. I'm in. Boom. Right? But if I put a little weird torque in the grip, I miss from that distance. That bridal is going by substantial amount. Now, once I shift those cams and get those two lined up, that same amount of torque, Instead of being 3, 4, 5, 6 inches off, is like an inch off.
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Remy Warren
That's right.
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Brian Broderick
And that's the difference. And from the time that I started to understand that quite a few years ago, to like, previous to that, my margin of error has, like, completely shrunk. Like those times where things happen. Like you draw back on a bull and he's moving and you don't move your feet, you just move your body, and that's putting weird string pressure on your face. Things change, and it changes your grip and everything. And you release and you hit him exactly like that far off as opposed to that far off. And that's the difference between a bad shot and a good shot. Success and a knot. A hitting the shoulder or missing the shoulder and getting it in the vitals. And I can't put enough emphasis on that. The other part to that is when you're doing that with your center shot, you think about it. If it's off, you're actually aiming off. So where the bow naturally wants to be, you have to kind of force it. You're already pre forcing it into a place that it doesn't want to be. And I think that people that have trouble holding it on the target, where it's like, you maybe have a little target panic, but you're like. People have bows where you're like, I. It's like it. I can't will it to that spot that I want it to. It's because it's not lined up right. When it's lined up right, it fits into that spot. And you're like, oh, yeah. I mean, it just. It's way more natural way for that arrow to fly. And you're gonna get better aeroflight and better success.
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Remy Warren
Yeah. Because essentially, to try to put it in really simple terms, let's say to your point where you're talking about just sighting in for your broadheads because they don't hit the same. You're basically shooting a curveball is what you're doing. Because the arrow is coming off, planing a certain direction, and that's what's forcing it to or to the right or to the Left. The problem with not having it properly centered is as you get to different ranges, that margin widens so that curve balls cutting more, cutting more, cutting more. And so when you have everything properly tuned to where your broadheads and field tips or your bear shaft and field tips are hitting the same. Now, let's say you accidentally have to lean around a tree and you accidentally have face pressure and you induce a little grip torque just because you're leaning around a tree. You know what happens is, is that when that thing comes out, it's still coming out like an untuned bow because you introduce this torque to it. But if it's properly tuned, it's going to be very minimal, and the effects down range are going to be minimal. But if it's already out of tune and already coming out at an angle, and then you introduce more. I've seen guys miss deer completely left or right because they have to put so much torque for an uncomfortable shot. So having those, you know, having the bow set up that way is super easy. And for guys that don't have the ability to shoot 60 or 90 yards a lot, and you want to try to do this in your backyard, the way our tuning guide is set up, you can do it at 20 and 30 yards, and you can do it in your backyard. And hopefully, if you don't have a bow that allows you to manipulate the cams, it's only going to take a minor amount of rest adjustment. And that's the hope for most people. And that's usually the case for most guys. But if not, and you don't have the ability, one of the newer bows where you can adjust the cams, you will have to take it in and get it, get the cam moved a little bit. But that's worst case scenario. But that is the single most important thing people can do is take the time and go through that process and get your setup properly tuned. And the reason it's so important to do it now is if you have like a really bad problem, you have time to get it fixed. If you need a new set of strings, you have time to get it done. You're not a week or two away from the season, which unfortunately is what most people do.
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Brian Broderick
Yeah.
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Remy Warren
And then the other side of the coin is, is if you do need help, this is the time of year when shops and companies like us, we have a little bit of extra time. We're not working seven days a week, 12, 14 hours a day, and we can help people, and guys in shops can help people. But if you go in there in August, you're going to stand in line and you're only going to get the minimum for some. For someone. That's why it's so important to do it now when everybody is slow and can help.
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Brian Broderick
Yeah. That's the one thing you notice. I think a lot of people, they. They pull their bows out just before the season or they're like, oh, I want to. I want to shoot a different broadhead. I want to shoot a different arrow. I want to shoot this or that. To be 100 honest, the best time and anytime that I change anything with my setups is probably just after the season. Yeah, it's like as soon as the season ends or whatever. If I'm like, I want to try something different or, or mess with my bow, I do it after. Like, let's say winter seems to be the best if you aren't hunting anything or, you know, if you don't. If you're like, hey, my next season is until September. The best time to work on your do anything is. Would be December. Because you have not only, you know, availability of things. Like, things get so busy. I know there's, there's of course those. Like, I've had some last minute things that I need to do right during. Right before the season.
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Remy Warren
Yep.
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Brian Broderick
It's impossible. Like it's. It's just near impossible to get things shipped to get. Get some help to do whatever.
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Remy Warren
Yeah.
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Brian Broderick
Now's the time of year where bow shops are. Are honestly a lot slower this time of year because it's. It's very like, majority of people think about it too late and everything goes with arrows.
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Remy Warren
Yeah.
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Brian Broderick
Yeah. Right. Things go out of stock. You can't. This happens. I don't know how many guys I know that are like shooting their bow and they get. It's like time to go on a hunt. And they're like, my bro, I'm gonna call my brother out on this. He's like, I got three arrows left. And it's like, dude, you're gonna. So it's like they go to try to find something. I've had people in hunting camp be like, is there a bow shop that sells arrows? And they try to get something that's like, close enough. Those will be my grousero backup arrow. Yeah. And you're like, dude, you just spent all this money all this time, all this waiting every for this potentially one moment.
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Remy Warren
Yeah.
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Brian Broderick
And it's not that hard. Like, if you want to stock up on arrows, the best time to do it is now. Not A month before the season, two months before the season.
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Remy Warren
Well, all.
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Brian Broderick
You're gonna dial your setup. Yeah, dial your setup now. Get, get. Whatever. I mean, if you're like planning on getting a new bow, great. And then you do that at the same time. But, but I think like, one of the things that I always stress is you guys are like, okay, I'm gonna, you know, I wanna use this or that or what have you. Now's the best time to do it. Because if you have problems with it, if you need help with it, the amount of customer service and availability right now is when you're gonna get it. And those guys are gonna have the best dialed system for when the season rolls around. It's gonna be so dialed because you don't have to think about it. Once I get my system set, I, I mean, I have my favorite bow. I haven't even messed with it at all since, you know, I just keep, you know, I keep getting the same thing. And I will say, like, between bows generally, I mean, right now, without, you know, having not changed my draw length or anything like, or my draw weight or length much, for the most part, I shoot the same arrow that I've shot for the last four years. Right? Yeah. But I know that it's, it's so dialed so set up because I've spent the time with it. Now I get a new bow and then I, then I work on, not the arrow portion, I work on getting the bow set up for that arrow.
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Remy Warren
Yeah, it shortens the learning curve. Like, once you get it figured out, you know how to do it, you do it the first time and it's, you know, it's a learning process. But once you get it, the learning curve shortens. And so whenever you get another bow two or three years down the road, it's a super quick transition and you know what you're doing. But I mean, it's the same. I've had guys that have gone on hunts with me, like the same way you're talking about to where they're screwing their broadheads on at the truck and they've never shot them. I mean, I've had guys buy a new sleeping pad and never inflate it or try it until they get to camp and set their camp up and there's a hole in it brand new, but you, you know, it's just everything that you need to do to prep before September now is when you need to do it. Because once you start trying to cram it into August, you start having to cut corners and when you cut corners, that's when you start increasing your percentage that you're going to fail. So it's just super important.
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Brian Broderick
Yeah, it's one of those things, like, I stress a lot. And the whole point of this podcast is like, the preparation and the readiness. You don't have to be somebody that does it all the time, but, like, if you're going to be. If you look at doing it now as opposed to later, you're going to just already be set up and ready, even if you're the guy. Like, I just touched my bow before. Like, okay, if you're going to make. Think about making changes, get new arrows brought, whatever it is. Yeah, now's the time to do it because then you have it for the season. You aren't in the rush. You aren't. When you know, the price is like, honestly, like the bow shops double their prices. Like archer season. I mean, it's like the fact of the matter, I don't know. They don't double their prices. But like on services and other things is like, you're in line and here's what it is in our busy rate and you need it now. It's not going to happen. Like, that's just. That's just how it is. Because it's a supply and demand thing. You know, I'm not. Yeah, I'm not. But I. There is like, that you. It's like, what is it like the fast, cheap, good, you know, and like that little equation change. And as it gets closer to the season, fast is not one of the things that happens. And that's generally what you need. Right. So I think, like, now is a good time. If you're thinking about changing setups, if you're thinking about whatever you're thinking about doing, getting set up and getting prepared, kind of now is. Is really the time to do it for sure. One of the other things that I wanted to talk about is, you know, going through some of our setups, our arrows and a little bit of the differences and why. You know, I think one of the things that we stress a lot is the day six arrows and the HD setup specifically.
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Remy Warren
Yeah.
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Brian Broderick
You know, has that, that it's. That we call it world's toughest arrow because it's designed for elk hunting, big animals penetration, but not just for. It's like I hunt everything with that same arrow. I'm not the type that. I do have a bow set up with the xds and we'll talk about those a little bit. You know, I think that it's like one of those things. Like, there's different applications for different people. I have a certain style of hunting, a certain setup that I like, a few things that I think are important and somebody. I, I. There's many well respected hunters that I know that I've hunted with that have the exact opposite arrow set up as me. And they are also not wrong. Okay.
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Remy Warren
Yeah, that's right.
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Brian Broderick
Like you can have. There are. And I used to have a different kind of arrow setup. Like, I think there's a couple different kinds of arrow setups. There's that heavier, slower, quieter, and then there's that faster, lighter, and oftentimes louder, right?
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Remy Warren
Yes.
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Brian Broderick
But here's what you get. Heavier, quieter, more penetration, whatever. There's a lot of positives. The downside is a lot more drop. Sorry. On the light side, a lot less drop.
- [32:04]
Remy Warren
Yeah.
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Brian Broderick
So then there's this other side that says, well, a lighter arrow is dropping less. So if I'm off on my range a little bit, my margin of error of missing is less.
- [32:13]
Remy Warren
Yes.
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Brian Broderick
And those guys are also Right. Right. Like you can have, you can kill an elk or a deer or whatever. I just think like, you know how dead is dead. I like my setup for what I like, and it's very successful for me in my hunting endeavors and the type of hunting that I do.
- [32:31]
Remy Warren
Yes.
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Brian Broderick
You know, that's the absolute truth of it. Like my current arrow setup. My current setup has been the most successful setup I've ever owned in my entire life.
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Remy Warren
Right.
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Brian Broderick
And it's going to be real hard for me to. I mean, I try other stuff, but like, I keep going back to the one that works for me. Yeah. I have friends that are the opposite. They're like, I like this lighter, less drop. This is my setup. And that's what works for them. And I think it's really important to say that we have, you know, the things that work for different people for different styles, but also understanding, you know, some of the features and other things that, you know, guys are like, what do I want? You know, maybe diving into that a little bit. Because I think that that's important of knowing, like, well, there's so many options.
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Remy Warren
Like, you and I shoot essentially the exact same arrow. Yours is like a half inch longer than mine, but we, we Both shoot an HD300. Our total arrow weight, I think is around. Is it around 520, isn't that right? 510, 520.
- [33:30]
Brian Broderick
Yeah, it's somewhere. Or do you. What, what weight field tips are you.
- [33:33]
Remy Warren
100?
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Brian Broderick
What weight tips are Using. Yeah, I'm the same.
- [33:36]
Remy Warren
Yeah. Ours is only like a half inch difference, so.
- [33:39]
Brian Broderick
Yeah.
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Remy Warren
And there's people out there that think that's a too light of an arrow, and there's people out there that think that's way too heavy. And so the benefits of that for me, and I think you and I have very similar hunting philosophies. I don't want to use the word ethics. I want to use the word approach or style to bow hunting. So for me, I love bow hunting so I can get closer. That's what's the best part of it. For me, it's just, I like that challenge. And for me, I want to set up that is a little bit heavier, a little bit slower, a little bit quieter, but also that heavier, slower lends itself to be more forgiving in the field. So as we go back to torquing your bow, face pressure, whatever, that slower, heavier setup is not going to be as volatile if you make a mistake. And it's going to be a lot more forgiving and it's going to recover better and provide for better downrange penetration, accuracy, everything. The argument for the lighter, faster is very valid. If you're off on your yardage a little bit, you're going to have more high and low forgiveness because there's not going to be as much of an arc. It just depends on your hunting philosophy, your hunting style, and how you feel like you want to approach it. And that's going to determine whether you want, like our HD arrow, which is a little bit heavier, a little more forgiving, or, you know, if you're a more accomplished, like, pretty good archer and you take a little bit longer shots, you want that forgiveness in trajectory for high, low. The XD arrow is probably the better arrow choice for that person.
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Brian Broderick
So, yeah, so the XD is just a lighter grain per inch, but it's also a different diameter. So the hd, the thing about the hd, one of the. I think the coolest things when I show someone that arrow for the first time, I'm like, I pop the knockout and I'm like, look at the diameter, the thickness of the wall on. Yeah, the sidewall is extremely thick. And that's where you're getting your durability because it's a very. It's a very. It's a. A micro diameter with a really thick sidewall and a heavy grain per inch.
- [36:06]
Remy Warren
Yes.
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Brian Broderick
Right. So we've got the 5 millimeter XD and essentially the 4 millimeter HDS.
- [36:11]
Remy Warren
Yes.
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Brian Broderick
And. And the thing about those 4 millimeter HDS is. They're a heavy 4 millimeter. That. That lends itself to being extremely durable. And because of that, that entire process is very difficult to make. Like, it's hard to make that small diameter and with that accuracy, with that thick wall, like, it's a hard arrow to make. But it's also, in my opinion, like my. The perfect arrow for hunting. Because it has that durability factor. Yeah, it has that. Like it's. I just, I joke around like it's shooting rebar. It's like. Yeah, a nearly. I'm not going to say they're indestructible, but they're nearly indestructible.
- [36:50]
Remy Warren
Yeah. The other thing that the 5 mil does do is it allows. It allows for different components that people want to use, should they want to use, like lighted Knox and things like that. It makes a little bit easier for that. And I feel like we make the most durable 5 mil arrow out there because of how we built it and how we integrated the component system that we use for our HD arrows. We made that same system for the XD arrows, the 5 mils to reinforce the front end, but we also reinforced the back end, which nobody else does. And as you get into the lighter, larger diameter arrows, that's where you see them fail. They mushroom on the front or they split the back. And so we created component systems to offset the inherent drawbacks of a lighter 5 mil arrow. So we tried to basically build the most durable, consistent five mil that we could.
- [38:01]
Brian Broderick
I think that actually is a good kind of segue into the component system because one of the things that we do at day six that I think is one of the things that I'm the most proud about. And I definitely know that when I started shooting day six, I had a game. Remember how. How long ago the. Yeah. What I was. Yeah, maybe even longer than that. The thing that I first noticed was the fact that like I had so many air. Like every arrow out of a dozen flew the same in previous arrows that I would shoot, I'd shoot a dozen and get three arrows that I liked. You know, I'd like name them and number them.
- [38:40]
Remy Warren
Sure.
- [38:40]
Brian Broderick
And I'm like, okay, these all like there's a few different things to that. The one is the way that, that the spine is where you don't have to knock tune them. But I think the other thing is the fact of the component system and the fact that the arrow is. Is concentric. Everything's lined up perfectly.
- [38:56]
Remy Warren
Yes.
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Brian Broderick
And what we mean by that is Is we're manufacturing the components for every spine of arrow.
- [39:03]
Remy Warren
Right.
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Brian Broderick
To be the tightest tolerance as possible. So when, if you see, this is what I think a lot of people don't understand as well as, okay, like to get a 300 spine and a 350 spine, there's going to be more or less material and therefore the outside diameter is going to be different.
- [39:19]
Remy Warren
Correct.
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Brian Broderick
A lot of component systems are the same for a range of spines. And you just use the components.
- [39:28]
Remy Warren
Yes.
- [39:29]
Brian Broderick
And then there's a little bit of wobble or a wiggle.
- [39:31]
Remy Warren
Yes.
- [39:31]
Brian Broderick
We manufacture each one for that specific arrow, for that specific spine. So the tolerances are less than. What is it?
- [39:41]
Remy Warren
That's one thousandth of an inch.
- [39:43]
Brian Broderick
One thousandth of an inch, which is less than. Like a human hair. Human hair, yeah. You just can't. It's like they fit on perfect every time. And when you're doing that, everything's lining up perfect. Yeah. You don't have to worry about that bad spin, that bad wobble in the front end.
- [39:59]
Remy Warren
Yeah.
- [39:59]
Brian Broderick
Because everything is milled exactly for the arrow that you're shooting, not for an arrow. And that makes a big, big difference.
- [40:07]
Remy Warren
It does. And you know, one of the things that you mentioned there is that you don't have to knock tune ours. We have a secondary process in our manufacturing of the shafts. I'm not going to get into the weeds on what we do, but. But we eliminate the stiff and weak side of an arrow, which most arrows have. So ours are consistent all the way around the clock. You don't really have to knock tune them. And that combined with our component system in the way it indexes on the shafts, really provides for a very easy to tune true arrow. Because, you know, an arrow is built like a roll of paper towels and the, you know, the cardboard tube part or the inside diameter of an arrow just, it's. It's the perfect.
- [40:56]
Brian Broderick
It's.
- [40:56]
Remy Warren
It's the perfectly round part of the arrow. And then as you start to wrap around it, it'll start to create high and low spots just like paper towels. So what we do is we have a secondary process that trues that up, but it's still not perfect. There's no way to ever get it just perfect. So what we make sure to do is that when we designed our centric system is that it has an integrated insert and absert that's actually bonded together as one piece. And so you, you're indexing the outsert system on the inside of the shaft, which is absolutely perfect. So it's going to be perfectly straight in concentric with the shaft or spin true. And then the reason that we do a different one for every spine is we want to have just a 1000ths of an inch max void between the outside of the shaft and the inside of the collar. So when you fill that with epoxy, you don't have. If you have a high and a low spot on the shaft and you're indexing like a lot of systems are, where they slide over the outside. If it's got a higher low point, it's going to push that, that collar one way or another. So we intentionally machine them perfectly so there's the slightest void. Once it's filled with epoxy, it basically becomes a one piece bonded monolithic unit inside and out on the front. And that way we can use the strength of our carbon, which we do a really good job of making our shafts very durable. Machining would be that type of tolerances. It uses the strength of the carbon instead of just an ancillary part that just glues on the outside. And so once you do that it's, it's pretty much bomb proof on the end and it spins true. That's probably, you know, I mean that's our number one compliment we get from our customers is, you know, I got a dozen arrows, I didn't have to knock tune a single one. They all flew exactly the same. I think that's just incredibly important. Who's got time to do all that, you know.
- [43:07]
Brian Broderick
Yeah. Because that's what we're talking about, tuning and tuning of the bow. And then I guess we didn't even mention that is like you can have arrows that you're like everything's right and they're still not going right. Well then you have to individually tune the arrow and match them all up and we don't. I don't worry. I guess I didn't mention it because I haven't had to do that in years. Yeah. So I'm like, okay, it doesn't matter. But that is, that is I guess something important to think about. And it's part of the reason why, you know, our, I think our system is the best system out there because we kind of eliminated that, that kind of function of the arrow to have to, to find the spine and, and waste time doing that. Because sometimes, I mean like, like I said, I would shoot a lot of arrows and especially if I. You'd have them fletched like three fletched and you want the veins sitting a certain way and the spine, you'd have to unflech, reflect, like it's just a pain in the ass. Nobody has time for that.
- [43:59]
Remy Warren
No.
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Brian Broderick
So, and the ones that are marked.
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Remy Warren
Like, there's a lot of them that are marked in the manufacturing process. It's logistically or functionally just not possible to get them marked properly in the error building process. So you can't rely on the ones that have, you know, this is the spine and it's marked. We've tested everything out there. And because the reason we tested it, I was just thinking, gosh, how would you do it knowing how we make heroes? Like, how would you do it? You know, and so it's, it's. They're close, but they're not accurate. You still have to not tune. And so our thought process was just do a secondary process and eliminate the need to do it. And it just makes for a way more forgiving hero. And that's what we're kind of, I think kind of like continuing to harp on here is forgiveness. Forgiveness. Forgiveness. Especially as it translates into the field.
- [45:03]
Brian Broderick
Yeah. Because every little ounce of forgiveness here when it get into the hunting scenario makes a difference. I've been on many successful hunts. I've been successful with my bow many times over and over. But I know that on most of those shots, I would say actually all of those, nothing was perfect. Nothing's ever perfect. It's like the moment it's fast or it's this or it's down and it's up, it's twisted and it's turned, your body's off or your whatever happened. It's never perfect, but you can still make a perfect shot in unperfect scenarios with what I would consider a perfectly forgiving setup.
- [45:45]
Remy Warren
From your bow to your arrows to your brightness, everything. I mean, it's the sum of all parts.
- [45:51]
Brian Broderick
Yeah. Every little piece that gives you a little bit of an advantage starts to add up over distance and over time. And for those things where it's like, okay, I get this one moment, it's not perfect, but I can still make a perfect shot because I have enough forgiveness in my setup that's going to allow me to do that. And that, to me, is what makes our arrows what I like to hunt with, because they're designed for that, for the hunter in mind with those imperfect scenarios.
- [46:18]
Remy Warren
Yeah, for sure.
- [46:21]
Brian Broderick
Well, awesome. Well, for those of you guys listening, thank you guys so much for listening into the podcast. I know diving into arrows is one of those things that it's almost like an overload of information And I think our goal is going to be to try to break down that information into. I don't know if we. Some people are probably left more confused, some people are left less confused. But I think that the easiest thing is, is to just kind of dive into it and not. I think that people think about it too much. We're talking about it, we're diving into it because it is a topic that I think needs discussed. But I think at the end of the day, you get your setup that works, that's tuned, and you kind of set it and forget it at that point. You know, it might seem like a lot at first, but I don't think that it's necessarily as much as a lot of people think we're available to help. Yeah, I think that that's, you know, within the day six world, you know, the customer service and being like, hey, you've got a question, you got a product, you've got a problem that needs help solving, we're here to help solve it, and now's the time to do it because we. We can solve more problems now than we can in the peak time when everybody has a problem. So I think that, like, if you're like, hey, I want to. I want to switch over to the day six arrows or broadheads. I want to. I want to.
- [47:38]
Remy Warren
To.
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Brian Broderick
You know, maybe you're like, you think about it, you're like, man, I actually don't think that my setup's tuned perfectly. I got paper tuned it, but I don't know. And maybe you think back to a shot. It's like you shot at an elk at 60 yards and you hit it way further back or way further forward than you would have liked, but you felt like you maybe made a good shot, but you're like, I don't know, isn't this. Well, maybe check that tune for and see, like, well, yeah, that. That margin of error could have increased with that weird bad scenario and excitement, whatever. And. Cause that now is the time to. To assess that and check out the situation and. And fine tune it for next season. Because a lot of people have more time now to do it. Whether it's your local bow shop, whether it's us, whether it's whoever yourself, you actually have time to do it now. Once the seasons start to wind down, we'll still help.
- [48:28]
Remy Warren
We'll still help people in August, but it's just going to be harder.
- [48:32]
Brian Broderick
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But now's a great time, so a lot, A lot more available.
- [48:37]
Remy Warren
Yeah.
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Brian Broderick
Well, thank you guys so much. You can check it out@day6gear.com you can find out all our arrows and broadhead stuff. Feel free to follow us on social media at day six on Instagram, YouTube. We've got a lot of great videos, stuff that's going to be coming out on the Day 6 YouTube channel. So if you guys don't subscribe to that, make sure to subscribe to that. And I think I'm gonna tease it a little bit, but I've got. We're gonna have some special podcast stuff coming out in the near future that I think guys are gonna be pretty interested in. So looking forward to some of that stuff in the, in the year as we kind of move forward with all the Day six stuff. So I'm looking forward to all that kind of stuff. So stay tuned. Follow our social Join our email list if there's anything that we got. We're going to be having some cool, you know, unique arrow setups and other things, you know, for our email list. So for guys that are, that are interested in this kind of stuff or more education, more information, more in that, kind of deep diving into that, that's a great way. Just connect with us through all that stuff. I think it'll be beneficial to you guys. And thank you guys for those of you that shoot our arrows shoot our broadheads have supported us over the last however long, whether you're new, whatever, thank you guys. We've got new hats, new shirts that are available on the website, all that good stuff. One of the things I also wanted to mention as we're going into that Christmas season that that Black Friday Cyber Monday, we've got some special deals for you guys on our day six website. Day six gear.com we're doing free shipping right now for the Christmas season. So if you're interested in getting some arrows, getting some broadheads or maybe, you know, some merchandise, all our sales over $99 will get free shipping. So you'll get to save some money on that. Another thing that I wanted to mention too is we do have gift cards. So if you're like, hey, for Christmas I want to get my system dialed, set up, dialed, but I don't know what arrows I want yet or maybe something you can put on your list for your wife to get. She's like, I don't know what arrows to buy. I don't know what broadheads to buy. We do have gift cards available as well. So I thought that I'd mention that. I hope you guys find value in the podcast with Brian and Sitting down, going over what we have to offer. Of course, I think we have the best aero and broadhead system on the planet. So, you know, we're going to be talking about that. But outside of that, just thinking in different terms of now's the time to get my setup dialed. Now's the time to really, you know, fine tune my particular setup and thinking about it not right ahead of the season, but right after the season getting set up, now is gonna be the best time to do it. So I hope you guys enjoyed that. There's a lot of knowledge there and we're gonna continue kind of hitting on some of the stuff to know about archery and really diving into the weeds of arrows, broadheads, arrow flight, all that good stuff because there's so much to talk about there. Also, before we go, I just wanna say Happy Thanksgiving to you and your families. For those of you, there's probably a lot of people out there, maybe in the stand or coming back from a hunt, listening to this podcast, or maybe you're gonna be listening to this a little bit delayed cause you've got some Thanksgiving holiday tradition where you're out hunting or with family. So I just wanna say Happy Thanksgiving to you and your families. I also wanted to mention, you know, as we're thinking about Christmas coming up and there's, you know, people are giving gifts to other people, buying, if you're like me, getting gifts for yourself, a couple of things that I think of as awesome things to give or receive. The first one, an awesome supporter of this podcast and really a piece of integral gear these days would be an Onyx Hunt subscription. If you don't have Onyx mapping software. I mean, I think everybody has it by this point, but it's absolutely integral. Especially if you're western big game hunting or when you're hunting public lands or even just getting permission on private land and knowing where you're allowed to hunt. It makes a big difference. Being able to drop a pin on an animal on a glassing knob. From the E Scouting, as always, you guys can use code livewild and get a discount on your Onyx subscription. So you can do a single state, you can do the Elite membership, which actually the Elite membership is pretty cool because it gives you discounts on other gear and things like that throughout the year. So it's one of those gifts that just keeps on giving, right? It's like it's a yearly membership. And I mean, I use that app more than any other app. I think on my phone you can see like what you use the most, you know, on your phone shows you what apps you use and how much time you spend. I spend an inordinate amount of time on Onyx, which is awesome. Like, I'd rather do that than something else. So it's a. It's a good. It's a good one to have. The other gift idea I thought about this was like, instead of maybe giving something to yourself or to someone else, give back to the wildlife. And one of the ways to do that is a membership to the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. You know, on this podcast, we always like to highlight conservation and conservation efforts and things like that. And I think the Rocky Mountain Elk foundation is an awesome way to do that. I'm constantly, you know, reading up on some of the projects that they've got. Some of the research that they've been doing. Just another migration study thing came out the other day that I saw that they helped fund an access thing. So a lot of this stuff you either see when you're a member, you know, you get the emails, read the emails, or the Bugle magazine. A lot of that stuff's highlighted in there. But there's even some projects that I've seen just, you know, highlighted in the newspaper or what have you, or articles that come across on my Google feed, and I'm like, whoa, I didn't even know they were doing that project in its awesome access project or things like that. So not only are you benefiting the wildlife, but hunters as well. It's awesome that these conservation groups are focused on hunters and the animals that. That we're hunting. So we're conserving and we're also increasing access and improving habitat and providing the science and the studies that back what we love, which is hunting. So a great way to kind of give back this holiday season, get yourself, or a lovely one, membership to the Rocky Mountain Oak foundation or even even consider upgrading your membership. That's just kind of my way of saying, you know, at this holiday season, sometimes those are some of the best gifts or the gift ideas, something like that, where you're giving back to wildlife and conservation. And that's. That's.