What does it take to measure learning outcomes in a way that improves them? How do we move beyond scores to understand what children know and can do? And in a system as complex as FLN, how do we ensure that measurement becomes a tool for improvement, not just reporting?

In Episode 8 of LLF Speaks Season 2, Reading Between Numbers, Measuring Impact to achieve FLN Outcomes, Pranav Kothari, Chief Executive Officer at Educational Initiatives, joins Dr. Mohammad Zahid Siddiqui, PhD, Senior Manager – Research, Monitoring, Evaluation & Learning at Language and Learning Foundation, for a conversation on impact measurement in foundational learning.

At the centre of the discussion is a simple question: are we measuring learning in a way that helps improve it? The conversation explores how different forms of assessment, from large-scale surveys to classroom-based and diagnostic tools, can work together to better reflect how children learn and where they need support.

It also reflects on how measurement shapes practice, especially the relationship between system-level accountability and classroom-level improvement, and why both need to be held in balance.

A key focus of the episode is distributional learning. Beyond averages, how do we make learning gaps visible and ensure that children who are falling behind are not left out of the story?

From FLN-specific assessment design to insights drawn from student responses, the episode highlights why measurement in foundational learning must go beyond numbers, and how the real story of learning often lies between them.

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