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Anfernee Simons Mid-Season TRADE plan | Hugo Gonzalez IMMEDIATE impact?
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Celtics trade rumors kick off Mailbag Monday. Will Brad Stevens make a big move for a center? John Karalis breaks down potential mid-season trades, focusing on the Celtics' need for a reliable big man. He analyzes Josh Minot's impressive development compared to Jordan Walsh and discusses the team's evolving center rotation. Karalis shares insights on Hugo Gonzalez's future with the Celtics and compares NBA legends across eras. The host also recounts a recent media vs. coaches basketball game, offering a behind-the-scenes look at team dynamics. Tune in for expert analysis on how potential roster moves could reshape the Celtics' aspirations.
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We're opening up the mailbag to see what kind of mid season trade Brad Stevens might pull off the impact of Hugo Gonzalez. What might happen when Jayson Tatum returns this season. And I'm still answering questions about the media game right now on the Lockdown Celtics Podcast. Who else could it be? What they gonna say now screaming like J.T. corralis recap the madness every game, every practice, prime time. Jeff and D. White on the sideline. Ren and Jace how we started raising Ben. That's how we finish. Locked on Celtics Pod Home of the winners. Hey there. Welcome back to the Lockdown Celtics Podcast podcast right here on the Lockdown Podcast Network where it is your team every day. Your team is the Boston Celtics and I cover them every Monday through Friday right here for free. Bonus podcasts on the weekends when they play. They're going to play on Friday so you'll get a bonus podcast then. Shows available on YouTube. It's everywhere so make sure you're subscribed. Watch the show, get into the comment section, Share your thoughts with your fellow every dayers, the folks who are with me every Monday through Friday. I'm John Kralis, beat Writer for Boston Sports Journal. I have been covering the team for about 20 years and I've written a couple books today about the team. Not just randomly books about the Celtics. FanDuel is bringing you today's show. New customers get $300 in bonus bets if that five dollar bet wins. You can use that@fanduel.com to get started. Great opportunity to open up the mailbag today. Mailbag Questions can get submitted@john corrales.com will compare eras which I do like to do later on I the media questions. I was on Channel 5 talking about the Celtics and right away questions about the media, the media game against the coaches. So I got more questions about that that's going to come up later on second segment we'll talk about Hugo Gonzalez and his impact on the team. We'll get Jason Tatum potential return. Let's just start off with a question about a mid season trade from Adam. If Brad makes a trade at the deadline, do you expect him to move Simons and stuff for a big or will that more likely wait for the summer? In either scenario, who do you think the Celtics should go for? So obviously the Anthony Simons thing, a potential trade is kind of hanging over the entire season which makes it a very interesting kind of year for Simons who is trying to prove a few things and at the same time knows that if he does prove those things this is going to be a one year temporary stop. So rents don't buy Anthony Simons in Boston. But if there is a mid season trade I would say that it's got to be for a big now who's it going to be? People like to throw Walker Kessler out there. I don't know. I don't know. When you say who the Celtics should go for. I don't think the Celtics are going for certain players necessarily. I think the way to look at a potential mid season trade for Simons is if there is a deal for Giannis out there. Because that's going to be the big trade news kind of hanging over the league right now. If there is a trade potentially for Giannis, the Celtics could use Anthony Simon's salary. I think it would be a good salary to kind of include in a deal somewhere to help facilitate certain things and the Celtics could use that, a potential 3, 4 team trade to get their center of the future. I do think that the Celtics would prefer to bring back a center, someone that they can rely on for the next three, four years. I think there, there probably could have been some trades where it's just a money move that I'm not sure that the Celtics are only looking to move Simons just for the money. It has to make some sense for the team. This is an opportunity you have. You have a big salary in Simons that could potentially make some sense somewhere and bring back assets. You don't just want to do it for any old salary. This, this isn't just the salary dump. This is an opportunity to bring in a player. So I think the Celtics need to read the league. And the league is telling you Giannis and Tenza Kumpo might move, Trey Young might move. There are going to be potential deals out there that could facilitate or Anthony Simons could facilitate. So more than Brad Stevens saying, we're going to this team to ask about this center, I think they're going to look around and say what deals are being done, what bigger deals are being done, and can the Celtics steal a center out of that and maybe somebody else maybe, maybe in a deal for a bigger player, the Celtics can steal like a center and a, I don't know, point guard or a wing, another, you know, more depth. So they, they will be canvassing the league looking for inclusion in some of these other deals where, okay, Team A, like, Team A wants to acquire Giannis. They need to send some players out. They have a win now guy that maybe Milwaukee doesn't want, but Boston will take. And team B is getting involved to make the money work. And they have to send somebody to Boston and Boston send Simons out to one of those other teams and those teams send younger players to new to Milwaukee or whatever. So that's the type of thing I'm looking at. That. That' the way I'm kind of approaching the, the trade deadline. So that, that I think should be where your head's at when it comes to a Celtics trade deadline deal. I don't think it's going to be their own thing. Jason has two questions. Well, let's answer two questions for Jason. Jason. First, has Josh Minot already become what we wanted from Jordan Walsh and why? Well, Josh Minot, yes, in a way, like he's. He is definitely the type of player that you, you were hoping Jordan would become, and Jordan still has the potential to become that player. But why is Minot ahead of Jordan Walsh? Well, I mean, part of it is he's just kind of better. He's a better player. And so Jordan has more, I think, further to go to get to that spot. But it's not like Minot is miles ahead of Jordan Walsh. But I think Jordan can look at Josh Minot and say, okay, why is he able to get these minutes that I could have gotten? I, I do think there's some level of processing. I think Jordan Walsh's biggest problem might just be his ability to play within himself. I think we've seen so many examples of summer league and G League that he's. He plays a certain way. Like, I think he's just thinking, I'm in this situation, I can play different. And the Celtics need him to play a certain way, but he's not. He's not playing that way in other places. And so I don't know. I just don't think that his head is in the place where it needs to be. It's hard for me to say that, like, without kind of being in his head, but just from what I've seen, I. I don't see Jordan kind of being able to pick up the things that. That Josh Minot is picking up. And I think that's. That's just the difference because I think Jordan has the tools and his shot is improved, and his. His jump shot might be what. What allows him to compete and might ultimately be like, hey, if, if. If Minot pushes Jordan, Walsh and Walsh, it's like, okay, here's. Here's my direct competition. This is the type of mentality I need to have. This is the type of work I need to do. Like, that might be helpful. Like this. This could just be. There's a. There's a universe where Josh Minot comes in, plays one year, earns a contract somewhere else, and Jordan becomes what Josh is at the moment and. And takes it further because his jumper is a little bit better. I'm not the biggest fan of Josh Minot's shooting form, but, hey, if it goes in, it goes in, and we have to see it go in more consistently. But that's that. Right now, Josh is just. He picks things up fast. He is able to apply it. And, and he's. He's just ahead. He's better than Jordan Walsh right now. So. Second question, quickly here from Jason. I really like what Keda looked like. I really wanted to like what Cater looked like, but he still seemed two steps slow. Am I crazy to think that Garza. I like Garza for the start. And to think they haven't even really been getting the ball to Garza down low to let him work. Let me just say this. No center on this team is going to get the ball down low to let them work. So that's not going to happen with Keita, Boucher, Garza, Tillman. Now, they may have a couple of opportunities on their own to say, hey, look, the shot clock or the way they're being defended. We. I am gonna go and. And work fine. We saw Keda do that in the last preseason game and it worked. It's great. Fine. But look, I've been critical of Keda as well. I. I don't know about who starts when. I think, honestly, the, the way we should look at the Celtic centers is whatever combination, one or two of them in the particular on a particular day, that has to be the, the best one to use on that day. That's the one you go with. So does Keda get starts? Absolutely. Does Garza get starts? Yep. Does Boucher? Yes. Does Tillman? Yes. All four of them? Either two of them at a time? One at a time. I think any one of them can start. Does Keda seem a little slow? There are going to be matchups where he looks a little slow. They're going to be days where he looks slow. Are the, Are there going to be some days where he looks good? Yes. They're going to be days where he looks good as well. Right now, people like me who are critical of Keda have a lot of evidence. People who are believing in Keda, they also have a lot of evidence. And that's the problem with inconsistency. So maybe he can get that consistency, maybe not. But for now, it's going to have to be a mix and match. So, yeah, Garza to start, sure. But no one center has separated himself and there's no one center on this team that's good enough to take on any team, any matchup at any time. It's just going to have to be, and we talked about it last week with Tom Westerholm. It's just gonna have to be, is this your night? Great. And maybe Brad or, or Joe thinks it's your night and it becomes not your night. And you're gonna have to accept either I didn't start or I started in SAT or I didn't play at all. You're just gonna have to accept it and know that tomorrow could be completely different. And that's the center situation. So we'll come back, we'll get into Al Horford, we'll get into Hugo Gonzalez, we'll get into coaching, rebounding. All of that stuff is next. Today's show is brought to you by Peloton. Peloton is shaping the future of fitness with the brand new Peloton cross training Tread plus. Powered by Peloton iq, it's their most advanced equipment yet. 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Get back to the mailbag Here again, John corrales.com mailbag to submit your questions Like Adam, who said, I'm having a hard time making sense of Al Horford on the Warriors? It seemed like they're expecting him to be their starting center. Didn't we learn that his minutes need to be carefully managed and that he's a terrible solo room protector. Are they expecting him to play big minutes in the regular season over and through a long playoff run? Is this going to be Philly all over again? I don't think it's going to be Philly all over again. I. I like him in. In Golden State as far as the fit goes now, are they expecting him to play too much? I. I hope not, because I don't think that's going to go well. I think he and Draymond are going to allow each other to kind of rest. Draymond can take a game off, then Al can take a game off. I think that's going to be how they kind of manage things. I. Al, listen. Al will tell them exactly what he needs to do. I'll. I. I think it's going to go fine. But I do agree, Adam, that it does seem like they're going to expect him to do a lot. But I would think that seeing how effective he was in Boston and how Boston handled him should be informative to them. And so they're not stupid. They have people who are older and they know how to manage things. They know what's important. So I think Al and, and I know, unfortunately for some people, because I think maybe some people would rather just see it not go well. I don't care that if it goes well this year, I don't have disdain for the warriors, like. Like a lot of Celtics fans do. I know. I know Draymond, like, that's fine. But I think Al Horford's gonna do well, and I don't think they're going to win a championship, but I think Al Horford's going to do well there, and he will help them a lot. All right. Josiah asks, do you think if Hugo Gonzalez were to play this season, he would have a bigger impact than Jordan Walsh? Jordan. Walsh catching some strays today. I feel like we haven't seen growth from Walsh in recent years. I think we have seen growth. I just don't know if we've seen enough growth from Jordan to. To have him crack the rotation. I just haven't seen enough progress. That makes me think, yes, I trust him out there implicitly. I also don't think that Ugo is ready to do that yet. Now, will he be soon? Yes. I. I'm high on Ugo Gonzalez. I think he will eventually be a starter on the Celtics. Not this season, maybe not next season, but the season after that. Or like, with. Within the rookie contract. Within that. You Know, first few years, there's a strong chance that Ugo Gonzalez is going to be a starter on this team at the very least. So I, I like him. I like his drive, I like his competitiveness. I think his head's in the right place. I think he feels the game extraordinarily. Like he has the intangible. He has that thing that when you see him play, you're like, oh, yeah, I like, I like, I like how this looks. He just looks like a good basketball player. So I, I think, I think he'll eventually be a huge contributor to the Celtics this year. I don't know. I really don't. Because I want him to get the reps and that's the number one thing for him this year. It's not about, like, him helping the Celtics win two more games, three more games, even if it's possible. Doesn't, that doesn't make, that doesn't move the needle for me. I want Ugo to get the reps, you know, take his homework to Maine. Really, really work on that stuff. Try and fail and not worry about coming out, not worry about getting sporadic minutes. That's, that's more important to me than a little bit of an impact this year. But it's up to the Celtics player development folks to determine where he is and where he will best take those steps forward. My feeling is Maine, but they might feel differently. Dale says first off, I'm an idiot. No, you're not. My question is, how do you coach rebounding? You can box out all you can, but the ball can only go. Can go in a totally different direction. Please enlighten. Well, learning the angles is an important thing. Think the general rule of thumb with rebounding is you expect it to go long. So if, if a shot is taken from like a 45 degree angle on the left side, you position yourself at a 45 degree angle on the other side and give yourself a chance. There is boxing out. There's technique to boxing out. You know, getting, you know, getting your arm on the body, getting your butt on the person's leg, boxing out, like just pushing and keeping your hands up and like, there's little bits of technique there. There's effort. You've got to coach the effort, that's for sure. But it's. Sometimes you are just gonna, hey, my job is to box out and I'm not going to get to that angle. Rebounding is a team thing. And if I'm boxing out and the ball goes to another, another place, as long as my teammate is There, then we get the rebound and we can go. That's important. We saw that from Peyton Pritchard a lot this preseason. Box out, box out, box out. Someone else gets the rebound. Go. That's also important to rebound. But yeah, rebounding is about technique. It's about, you know, reading the, the, the shot, understanding who is shooting. What is that shooter's tendencies? It's, it's a lot of mental games. You know, is it later in the game and is this person been shooting short? Is it earlier in the game? Is this person a rookie? Do they tend to shoot long? You. If you can get those things in your head and understand how they shoot, where they're shooting from, and get yourself into a certain kind of angle, then that's, that's going to help you with your rebounding. Let's get to Jonathan's question about Jason Tatum, who says given his play style, if he comes back, how is he going to fit into the new Celtics pace? Look, I think if Tatum comes back, it's not necessarily to fit into the Celtics pace. I think if Tatum comes back, it's just getting him acclimated. And it, that part doesn't matter right now. If Tatum returns this season, it's knock off the rust and he'll. He'll fit in by inbounding the ball quickly. Right. Understanding the defensive principles of trapping and, you know, taking. Taking certain chances defensively to, to try to go for steals and when to. When to gamble and when not to. He's still going to be an isolation guy, but he, he can just move the ball. Just instead of surveying, just understand you've held the ball for a couple of seconds. If you don't have anything, just move it. So that's going to be how he fits into the pace. It's not about him running and sprinting past everybody. It's just about doing the little things to pick up the pace. He's going to have to play his own game. But that's not the most important thing. If he comes back, it's just getting him back, knocking off the rust and moving forward with that. So I'm not as worried about fitting into the Celtics pace now. Next season, that'll be a different story because I do think pace is going to have to continue the next season and moving forward. This is, I think this is the new NBA. This is the modern, this is the, the second apron NBA. You're gonna have to play with better pace. The lowest pace team is going to be faster than usual. So Tatum is going to have to figure that out. Not when he comes back necessarily, but I think it's more over the summer start next season thing. When we come back. I still get questions about the Celtics coaches destroying the media in a basketball game. Get to some of those when we come back. Today's show is brought to you by FanDuel. 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Here's a question from bj who was listening and he said you mentioned Jay Tatum and Jalen Brown were watching. Do you think Joe was actually using that moment to send a message to his team? Like don't play down to your competition. Or when you're a big don't let off the gas. It feels like something right out of the Missoula playbook. Less about embarrassing the media and more about reinforcing mindset. I would not be surprised at that. I think his, I think his goal was to put the screws to the media as hard as possible to see what our reaction would Be, you know, like, you're out there writing about us. Let's see what you, how you feel about, how do you react about when things don't go well? And I, I don't know what he was expecting. And, and he might, he might pull out. Like, hey, when we played the media, you know, we be the media by 53 points in, in 12 minutes because we, we didn't play down to them. We could have, we could have messed around and what would have happened then? And that could be a message that he, he banks or holds on to. You know, it could be like, hey, it doesn't matter if you're playing the Lakers or we're playing the media. We're pressing. This is what we do. This is how we play. Could be easily. But I think his main goal was what are you made of? What are you made of? Boston Celtics media folks. What are you made of? Can you handle life in this competitive arena? And how are you going to react to that? And frankly, I think, look, I've never been afraid of a beat down on a basketball court. It's going to happen, right? I've lost by 30, I've lost by 40. It happens. And each time I'm always mad at myself and I always look at it as an opportunity, like, okay, how can I be better? Probably not as easy for me to do that now in my 50s. But, but sure, there are things I could have done better for sure. And that, that's what I take out of it. I think Joe appreciates that and I think Joe appreciates that. None of us stormed off, none of us just said this is crap. And we left. Like, we all stayed there and fought through it and just took it. And then we played each other and, and had a very competitive game against one another. And I think he, you know, for once he saw us all as like, oh, you all just love basketball too. And we're just different. We're just physically different, mentally different. Just we're not NBA players, but it doesn't mean we don't love the game. I think he appreciates that. So I think that's the main thing. Chris says Joe probably just wanted to you guys to feel a little of what players and coaches feel during press conferences. Maybe I said the players should have come down and asked us questions afterwards. Like, if you really want to turn the tables on us, you should come over and like Jalen Brown could have asked, like, hey, you guys turned the ball over a lot today. What was going on there? Like, he, I would have loved That. I think that would have been funny. He said. But also, this is from Chris. Isn't Scal loosely considered media? He could have suited up for your team as a ringer. Forget loosely. Scal right now is in the media. He is a member of the media. Could he have suited up? Absolutely. I don't think he was available, but he could have. And then I. I heard something about Scal talking about, oh, I can bring some people. I can bring some ringers in. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't do that. Don't do that. If Scal wants to play next time, he can play. He's a member of the media for sure. It's not going to make a huge difference, but, you know, he can. He can at least recognize some things and be like, hey, do this. Set this pick. Go hit this guy. You know, I think that could be Scal, you know, making a difference. Scowl's what, 40 something? He. He's not gonna. Against those guys. Instead of 57 to 4 would have been what, like, he said 40 to 10. Like, okay, sure, you know, but don't bring ringers. I don't want ringers. I'm not sitting there just trying. I want to compete against these guys myself, so. But Scal is more than welcome to play. Let's wrap it up here with Matt, who wants to compare eras. He says the game has evolved so much over the years. Who from decades past do you think would succeed in today's NBA? And who do you feel may not? Same question for if current players played in decades past. Past. So I. I do think you need shooting. Right? Today's game is all about being able to hit from distance, and that's hard to determine, like, which of these Celtics historically could have hit from, you know, 25ft. I would expect somebody like, I. I think, you know, Sam Jones and. Well, let's put it this way. First of all. First of all, anybody who was a superstar in a past era could play in any era. I don't care. Right? I don't care if Bill Russell, like you, they always so skinny and whatever. Like, those guys would be able to take advantage of, you know, the. First of all, in today's era, a lack of segregation, there'd be much more opportunity. You wouldn't be forced to, you know, skip an exhibition game because you're not allowed at the same hotel. So the. The social aspect would be a lot better. They wouldn't have to worry about that stuff. Secondly, they would have much better facilities and. And they Wouldn't have to work second jobs. That would be very helpful. So a guy like Bill Russell could have, you know, he'd be bigger if he wanted to be, good lift and he had better nutrition and all of that stuff. He'd be paid a ton of money so he could do whatever he wanted, eat whatever he wanted, you know, train however he wanted. So that stuff, you know, he would be more in line with today's physical attributes. But any of those guys could play in today's league. The superstars could play in today's league because superstars are superstars. They adapt to the game very, very well. So I think that's true of any era. So Larry Bird could play in the 60s and play in 2025, no problem. Kevin McHale, same thing. All these guys can adapt because they're so damn good. You don't dominate, you don't, you don't make all NBA teams just by just existing. You got to be able to dominate. You got to figure things out. And, and those guys have the ability to figure things out. So that, that applies. But role players, you know, like Casey Jones was an incredible defender. Not really much of an offensive player, not much of a shooter. So I would think, okay, yeah, Casey Jones, what would he be in today's league? Could he survive? Or would he be, you know, one of those guys is just incredible defender but could never get his shot down and kind of flames out because you need offense and you can't just have a guy that's a non complete, non entity. Again, those guys like Casey is such a great, he tried out for the NFL too. So it's hard to say like who the non shooters were back then. You didn't need to have shoot, he didn't need to be a shooter. He just needed to do what he did. That was his job. So it is a tough kind of call, I will say from current players. I did, I did have high praise for Derek White on Blue sky and Chad Finn said Derek White could play in every, any era. And that is a hundred percent true. A guy like Derek White could play in any era, but like a guy like Dylan Brooks could have been like a, a God in the 60s because he's just an incredible defender. He would have gotten into a ton of fights, but it wouldn't have been as detrimental to his game. It wouldn't have been as many flagrants or all that stuff. And, and he would have just, he wouldn't need to be a shooter, scorer or anything like that. So there, there are certain guys certain types that the more defensive minded guys like a Lou Dort, they they could play more in those tough 60s and 70s when the three pointer was not emphasized. The non shooters back then would have a tough time here, but other than that, superstars I think transcend eras. So I'll leave it at that Mailbag questions come in@johncarales.com mailbag I happen to be able to do a mailbag Monday. I don't know how many mailbag Mondays I'll be able to do because like next week the Celtics play on Sunday. So I will still mix in mailbags. So still submit your questions. I will try to do as best I can and every once in a while I still answer these questions somehow on other podcasts. So make sure you're listening. Be coming every day or make sure this is part of your daily routine Monday through Friday because you might have a question that I answered on a Tuesday or Wednesday. If you didn't listen, I already answered it and it won't make a mailbag. 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