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Breakout: Boston Celtics Win as Hugo Gonzalez DOMINATES, Proves He's A Future STAR
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Boston Celtics defy the odds, cruising past the Milwaukee Bucks despite missing Jaylen Brown and Neemias Queta and the Bucks getting Giannis Antetokounmpo back. Hugo Gonzalez’s breakout night—18 points, 16 rebounds, and historic defensive stats—sparks debate: is he the next cornerstone for the Celtics’ future? How far can this youthful energy and depth carry Boston in the postseason? John Karalis of Celtics On SI breaks down Boston’s relentless effort, highlighting Payton Pritchard’s scoring resurgence, Derrick White’s elite defense, and Luka Garza’s dominant rebounding off the bench. The episode explores Joe Mazzulla’s coaching strategy, Brad Stevens’ knack for late-round draft gems, and whether the Celtics’ 41-20 record still puts them in elite contender territory. Key topics include Boston’s fifth game in seven nights, stellar teamwork, and the evolving impact of roster depth. Locked On Celtics offers essential analysis of the franchise’s path to sustained success—are these Cel...
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now on the Locked On Celtics Podcast the Celtics keep on winning games they should probably be losing, and this time it's all about Hugo Gonzalez. Locked on Celtics pot, Home of the winners. Hey, welcome back to the Lockdown Celtics podcast right here on the Lockdown Podcast network where it is your team every day. Your team is the Boston Celtics and I talk about them Monday through Friday, plus bonus podcasts when they play on weekends. They got a Friday game coming up. Whatever it is, I'll give you a bonus podcast. I'll give you a bonus podcast sometimes during the week, so you got to be subscribed to make sure you get all of the content that I'm dropping. And you can watch the show on YouTube. Get into the comment section there. Share your thoughts with me there as well. If you're new, let me introduce myself. I'm John Corrales, beat writer covering the Celtics for Sports Illustrated's Celtics on si. I've also been doing this. I've been doing a job like the version of this job for about 20 years, this podcast for 10. I've got a couple of books out on the team today. Well, look, the Celtics, no Jaylen Brown, no Nish Ka, obviously still no Jason Tatum. Giannis came back and I thought this one might get a little rough. Nope, Celtics don't just dominated by the end. It was a real like, the fourth quarter was just where they pulled away, but they keep on winning these games that they should be losing. We'll get into individual con performances later on. We'll get into Peyton Pritchard and the great energy and defense. But, you know, I have to start with Ugo Gonzalez, who, if you're a longtime listener, if you're a. An everydayer, if you're with me every Monday through Friday, you know that I am the world's number one owner of Hugo Gonzalez stock. I have it all. I've had it all for a while. I've been on board with this kid from the beginning, and I've thought that he's going to be a star in this league to I don't know to what degree. Probably not a number one option, but also probably a number three, a number two maybe. We'll see. We'll see what, what time brings us. But right now, after a recent kind of online, I'll call it a skirmish. And I don't want to bring online Twitter, social media stuff into this podcast very much because a lot of you probably don't even exist in that space. Some of you do, but some of you don't. And some of you have gotten off of Twitter altogether and you exist in other spots. I don't want to turn it into, you know, that place dominating the conversation. But I did have a recent thing where I tried to explain why do I, you know, why I think Ugo Gonzalez has such a high ceiling and a high floor, and it just became a whole big thing. So for this to happen is a very nice kind of. I'll call it a validation for me. 18.6 rebounds. Let me read the stats here for courtesy of Dick Leipe at NBC Sports Boston. Second rookie in Boston Celtics history to get 18 points, 16 rebounds, three steals and two blocks in a game. You want to guess the other one? Want to take a second? Have you heard the stat yet? 18 points, 16 rebounds, 3 steals, 2 blocks. One other rookie did it, and it was Larry bird back in 1979. So always good company. Always good company to have something that only you and Larry Bird have done. It's just the fourth time since the turn of the century that a rookie has had that stat line. The others, a Mecca, Okafor, Kyle Filipowski, Isaiah Stewart. So Ugo did something that very few people have done, and the energy, the rebounding, the scoring, at this point, the scoring is. Is. He's not creating a ton for himself, although he has some really crafty finishes. He is extraordinarily good at driving with his left hand and then going back around to his right or driving to his right hand and finishing with his left. He finishes equally well around the rim with either hand. That's a major thing. When I talk about why am I so high on Hugo Gonzalez? Why am I sitting here? And I don't want to say. I don't want to be dramatic and say staking my reputation on it, but look, I am saying it strongly. I am saying it with my chest. Hugo Gonzalez is going to be part of the core of the next generation of Celtics contenders. After Jalen and Jason move on or are past their primes, Ugo will be the guy who takes that next version of the Celtics to wherever, however far they go. And I think he'll be part of a winning franchise. Now he's 20 years old, just turned 20, and so obviously Jalen is, you know, going to be 30 next year, and Jason's gonna be 28. So there's gonna be some overlap right there. Jalen, they're not. It's not like they're ancient, right? So the next two, three years, they'll still be really, really good. And Ugo will be in there being really, really good at 23, 24. He'll be very, very good. But he's still not would. He still won't be in his prime. And at that point, when Ugo is 27 and 28, which eight years from now we're talking about, I mean, Jalen will be 38 years old like that. His career will be either over or close to being over. Jason Tatum's career will be either over or close to being over, right? When you get into your. When you get past 36, you're close to being over. You only have a few years left at the most. Tatum probably has a. Maybe, I think a longer, more productive back end of his career just because of his size and length. I think he could. He can adjust his game maybe a little bit more. But who knows? Jason, I mean, Jalen could. Could. You know, Jalen has surprised me before, so I can make this kind of. I can make that statement. And people could be like, hey, you know, you. You've doubted Jason. Jalen. You've doubted Jalen before. I'm just saying that he's. He's probably. And he has said that he probably doesn't want to play. Play past, like, 35, anyway, so. But who knows how. What happens when he gets there? That's besides the point. My point is that Hugo Gonzalez is going to Be this. He's going to be that good. He's going to be like I've said before, I think he's going to be at least what Derrick White is. I think his. When, when it's all said and done, Hugo Gonzalez will be Derrick White in terms of impact, like not the same kind of player, but he will score, he will pass, he will defend, he will do all of those things. It's a little bit different stylistically, but he will be at least that as good as Derrick White is today. And I don't say that lightly. I think Derrick White is an amazing basketball player. He is incredible. He is super smart. He's. He is, he's great. He shoots well. Even though, forget this season. He shoots the ball well. He shot well in this game. He defends. I mean, God, Derek defending that inbounds, that got stolen and he just kind of snuck in from behind and tapped the ball away. And I think got an assist on that play like Derek is. I hold Derrick White in the absolute highest regard with it comes to basketball. So when I say Hugo Gonzalez is going to be Derrick White, trust me, I do not say that lightly. But his instincts, the what you saw in this game defensively, the instincts, the block shots, the steals, and beyond that, watch how he defends. Watch closely how many times he just stops a guy from getting where he wants to go and the ball gets worked back out to the perimeter. And there's no stat for that, not publicly anyway. Maybe the teams track their own stats in a certain way, but there's nothing publicly that can track that. He is an incredible defender. The effort he plays with incredible effort, playoff level effort, the want to is. Is off the charts. His mind is just. I love the way it works. From what I even know already, and I'm only just getting to know how it works. But he had a, a play where he had an open shot. I think it was. He took the rhythm dribble and he missed. And then the next play he got an and one and like he was just shaking his head like, oh God, I can't believe, like he was still pissed off that he missed the shot from before. He just made another great play, great finish. Drew and hit the shot and got the foul. And he's like, I still missed that other shot. He's. His mind is where it needs to be. His work ethic is where it needs to be. And naturally, the gifts that he has, I'm just like, oh man, this kid is special. The way he moves, the types of plays, the you know, you go back to the last game where he's streaking up the right side and he makes just this. This cut like. Like he's running, you know, a route, and Jalen throws it to the front of the rim, and he just goes and gets it in reverse layup. That's just instinct and body control in athleticism. And then in this one, you know, a block shot coming down the right side, and Derek just hits that, like, overhead bounce pass, which is such a nice pass to throw in that traffic that has been like. That is. I cannot express just the natural ability that it takes to do that at his age and be comfortable making the plays that he makes. So I don't care if it was against Milwaukee and shorthanded or whatever. I thought he played really well. He struggled against Giannis. Good, good. I want him to struggle against Giannis. He should struggle against. Yes, he struggled with his shot a little bit. Good. That's fine. I want him to have a lot to work on. I'm not saying that Ugo is going to be that good tomorrow or. Or next season or even maybe the season after that, because he's still young. But I'm telling you, when it comes time to sign him to a new deal and extension, Celtics need to be, like, on top of it. The instant he's ready to be extended, you sign him for whatever you can. Lock him up for as long as you can, because he should be here for a long time. I love this kid. So Ugo was awesome. The 18 points, six rebounds, three steals, two blocks. Okay, I'm done gushing about Ugo. The Celtics played with great energy. They played great defense. Overall, fifth game in seven nights, and they look like that, huh? We'll talk about that when I come back. Today's show is brought to you by Indeed. We know how chaotic the workplace can be. We know deadlines are. They stack up. They sneak up on you, especially with that overflowing inbox. And you have one position that you have to fill even with all of that other stuff going on. What do you do? You just hope that somebody's going to come around and be there for you and. And show up in the magic resume pile. No, you need Indeed Sponsored jobs that's going to help you reach the people who actually fit what you're looking for. Skills, experience, location. 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You got to go to lockdownceltics.super cast.com lockdownceltics.supercast.com so the other impressive thing aside from me just like, you know, rubbing my hands together like an evil genius going, as I get all the Ugo stock and get ready to cash that in. The other thing that was really impressive to me in this game was the energy, the effort. The Celtics were playing on this fifth, fifth night, fifth game and seven nights. Like, come on, fifth game and seven nights. And they went out there and played hard. They played with incredible energy. I think the Celtics are strategic in their sitting of Jalen Brown and sitting of the Mishkada. I think they see these, these opportunities to get Jalen some rest because he needs it. He's dealing with, you know, the lingering hamstring, but also a knee issue and a wrist issue and all of that stuff. So you get them some rest, but also you sit them down. You sit Nemi down. You force the rest of the guys to be like, oh, God, we can't rest. We can't give in to the fatigue. We've just got to go out there and play. And you give guys who don't normally play 35 minutes, like Hugo Gonzalez, you give him the 35 minutes. I've been begging for him to play 35 minutes. He's done that a couple times. It's not. It's. He played 36 against Toronto, and so this is the second most he's played this season. But you give Luca Garza 20 minutes off the bench, you. You give more opportunity to these guys who haven't gotten the opportunities recently. Garza was great, just relentless. Seven offensive rebounds. This is the Luca Garza that we thought that we've seen and the one that I thought the Celtics should have played against the Denver Nuggets at the end of that road trip where they were kind of finally giving into, like, tired legs and, you know, the altitude and all that stuff. Garza is there. I hope. If there's one thing to take away from this game, it's that Garza can sit for three, four, five weeks, whatever it's been, and still come in and find a way to be very, very effective. The seven offensive rebounds were huge. The Celtics had 19 offensive rebounds. The energy to go out there and get them was just off the charts. Now, Luca had seven, Ugo had five. So that's 12 offensive rebounds from two guys. That is. I mean, those. Those guys set the tone. And you had Baylor, Scheireman, all of those guys just stepping up and. And giving you the. The energy, the defense. It was. It was incredible to watch. The. The Celtics defense gave up 20, 23, 22 and 16 points in the fourth in the four quarters. 20, 23, 22 and 16. And they obviously only gave up 81 points. So the. And the Bucks, you know, didn't shoot great, but the Celtics really were energetic. They were physical. They. Unless, you know, Giannis was the only guy that was really, really hurting them. They got, you know, they got something from Uzman Dang, but he. He only was 5 of 10, but he was the only other guy that. That made any noise. Well, Bobby Portis had 12 points, but that's it. Portis was a minus 21. So I just. I'm just impressed. Like, the Celtics don't give in to the excuses. And that's a credit. That's a credit to Joe Missoula. It's a credit to all of the staff. It's A credit to Brad Stevens. This has been the. This has been a thing for a while. They. They just don't take that ready made. Ah, all right, so fifth game in seven nights. Chalk it up, buddy. Schedule lost. You know, you had the Philly game, which was originally scheduled for six. So the extra two hours, two and a half, really, with the NBC schedule. That's. That's the difference between getting. Getting to bed at 2 versus getting to bed at 4, 4:30. That's a big difference. That's a huge difference. And the Celtics get in super late. You get in at 4am you got to turn around and play a game locally at 6:30pm there's every excuse right there. It's. It's just laid out for you. You know, played a tough. A tough game. He only pulled away from Philadelphia late. But they don't. They don't give into that. Joe Missoula has them ready. He has them ready. That's these guys. And Brad puts together a team of hard workers. Prove it, guys. And Joe has them all working together on the same page. They. They don't give in to wanting to make their money or they're all under contract for next year. So that. That does help. No one's. No one's kind of going out showing out for, you know, a new deal right now. But, you know, there's. There's. There's always that thing in the back of their heads, but Joe has them on the same page. They all come in and they play for each other. I mean, yeah, this is. This is a lot. This is 21 minutes so far of, like, gushing about the Celtics. But look, man, they. They're. What else am I going to do? 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Play your game. Thanks for making Lockdown Celtics your first listen. Every day you want to make maybe lockdown bucks your second listen? Listen to what the Milwaukee side of the story is or locked on NBA game night seven nights a week covering the entire league. I'll be there covering tomorrow night's games with Jake Madison. So you can join me as we cover the entire league there. It's a great way to keep up with everything. You were watching the Celtics game, game night. We'll get you all caught up tomorrow on everything else that happened. So let me, before I get into some of these individual performances, the Celtics are currently 41 and 20. They've won three in a row. So they were. They lost their 20th game before they won their 40th. And there's that 4020 rule where Phil Jackson said contenders win 40 games before they lose 20, which is. Okay, sure. True history has borne that out there. I think five exceptions since 1980. But the Celtics are in this weird position. They. So they were 38 and 20 and then they've won games 39, 40 and 41. And I just want to know what the difference is between 41 and 20. Having won your 40th before you lose, what's the difference between that and what the Celtics did? Right. Like if the Celtics got to 40 and 19 and then went 1 and 2 in their next two games to get to 41 and 20, why does that make them more of a contender than getting to 38 and 20 and then going on a three game winning streak? It doesn't make sense to me, but I know the rule and the rule has been followed. Now, I'll be honest with you, the other five, I didn't check to see how close the four. Like if you didn't get to 40 before 20, were they in the same boat as the Celtics? There are exceptions and the Celtics do fit one of those exceptions. They're going to get Tatum back. And the Houston Rockets when they traded for Clyde Drexler were an exception. But I don't know, man, 41 and 20. I, I have, I just have a hard time if we're looking at contenders, I have a hard time believing that the Celtics are not a contender at 41 and 20 because of, because they lost their 20th game before they got to 40. That does. Just doesn't. Doesn't make any sense to me. Every other metric says that they're right there. So I don't know. I'd love to hear your opinion because I think this is, this could be like a unique part of the exceptions. Okay. Anyway, another side note, I'm like, this could be locked on side notes. I take these little paths all over the place and I get back to my point and my point here for the rest of this is Peyton Pritchard, Derek White. He also had good games. Peyton Pritchard had. He led the team in scoring 25 points, 10 of 23 shooting, 5 of 10 from three. Also had nine assists. Great to see Peyton back in the scoring. He's had a couple of tough games. He was scoreless against Philly, and, you know, Joe Missoula after this game was like, look, he's not defined by his scoring. We need him to do other things. He's done other things. He's defended, he's rebounded. So don't look at it as. He didn't score much. So he's not playing well. That's not true. You can play well and still not score much, but his job is also to be a scorer. So it's nice to see Peyton get back to the scoring. I was never worried about him not scoring much or whatever. He's. He's adjusting to the changes with Vuchevic here and all of that stuff. And he sometimes, like, he's. He's not a perfect player. In. In sometimes you just have a couple bad games. Like, honestly, you just have a couple of bad games. Everybody who's played extended amounts of organized basketball understands you have a couple of bad games here and there. So Peyton's fine. It was a nice game for him. Nice to see him get. Get that. Get those 25 points. Derek White shot poorly, but was really good otherwise. Defensively, like I said before, was fantastic. That one. It's what was one steal. But that steel was nice. He's just. He's just such an elite defender, but he's also in total control. Like Joe Missoula talked about how at the end of the third quarter, when Milwaukee was making a run, you put Derek White back in and he kind of controls things and settles things down. You know, he had nine assists as well. 18 points, nine assists, even though he shot 28% from the field. Not a great shooting night, but a good basketball night for him. Nicola Vuchovic got the start. 10 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists. Didn't shoot well, but you see how he can. You can run the offense through him. So a nice. A nice game. Five offensive rebounds now. Now you see how the sellers got to 19. Seven for Luca. Five. I'm sorry, he didn't have five. I was looking at Ugo, he had five, but Jordan Walsh had three. So there you go. There's your 15, and then you get a couple of stragglers. Peyton had a couple, Sam had one, Baylor had one. So there's your 19. But I thought Vuch did a You know, decent job. He 10 point listed. 10, 10, 5 and 7A plus 25. Even though he didn't shoot well, he did. He, he made some really nice passes and so a decent game from him. Baylor Shireman with The broken thumb, 10.6 rebounds, high energy, you know, getting in there, defending, doing all those things. Sam Houser played well, I think four of eight from the field. He, you know, rebounds. He, you know, a steal, a block, he defends. He does a lot of different things. My favorite Hauser play, it's probably your favorite too. The, the three pointer that he missed at the end of the first quarter, but he followed his shot and got the rebound and hit a little fade away. I love that play because shooters know exactly. Once you let the ball go, you're like, oh, short, short into the left. He knew it right away. Just a little short, just a little left. He, as soon as he landed, you could see him already going to where he knew where the ball was going to go. That's why he got the offensive rebound and got that, got that put back. He just right away off the tip. These guys are so such finely tuned machines that right away he lets it go and he's like, nope, that's not going in. That's going over there. I'm gonna go get that ball. Nice minutes from, from Ron Harper. No one, no one was bad in this game. Ron Harper comes in, makes some nice plays. Jordan Walsh didn't do much scoring, but seven rebounds, three offensive rebounds a plus eight in 16 minutes. Just nice. A nice performance from the Celtics. I am just loving the Ugo minutes though. So any chance I get to do a little bit of a victory lap on Ugo, I'm gonna do it. I just. He's, he's a talented, he's a talented kid. You know, they were talking about it on the NBC Sports Boston on his. I think it was the post game show and we've mentioned this on the podcast before too, Brad Stevens, because he, you know, was at Butler and didn't get all the prime recruits. Like Jason Tatum wasn't going to Butler, but he had to go find the other guys. He had to find. He has an eye for talent that is kind of unrealized, right? The, the guys that are good, but the, the prime, like when he's at Butler, you get Duke, you got North Carolina, you got all these other schools that are going to get the number one guys and you got to fight to put a good team together. This is, it's a very similar concept. You're going to say, well, how does that apply to the Boston Celtics? Well, when you're picking in the 25th through 30, you're at the bottom of the draft. You don't get the top, you know, the primo recruits, you don't get the top guys at the bottom of that draft. There's a little window there where from 25 to like 31, 32. Now with the way the system is set up, that's if you can hit in that spot, you're good. You're really good. And Brad has hit in that spot. He got Ugo, you got Baylor, who I think has shown enough like Baylor can stick around. Baylor can be a good player. I don't think Baylor is a future star, but I think Baylor can be a good player. He can be a guy that you lean on for 25 minutes a game and he's going to do some things. Maybe the shooting comes around and, and levels off and becomes more consistent and all that stuff. But he's, he's a guy you can count on. I think he's going to be a role player, part of the rotation, one of your top seven or eight. But Ugo, that's a hit, man. That is a hit and a half. So Brad, just finding these diamonds in the rough down there. All right, that's the show. I'll be back tomorrow. Bonus content throughout the week and on weekends when the Celtics play, whenever they play. I'll have a post game podcast so make sure you're subscribed. 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