Brown's Hamstring SCARE Overshadows Tillman's HEROICS | Can Celtics SURVIVE?

Summary

Locked On Celtics – October 16, 2025: Brown's Hamstring SCARE Overshadows Tillman's HEROICS | Can Celtics SURVIVE?

Host: John Karalis (Boston Sports Journal)
Podcast: Locked On Celtics

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Overview: Main Theme & Purpose

This episode centers on the Boston Celtics' final preseason game, which, despite a thrilling finish courtesy of Xavier Tillman, was overshadowed by Jaylen Brown suffering yet another concerning hamstring injury. John Karalis analyzes what Brown’s latest hamstring issue means for the Celtics’ season outlook, evaluates standout and struggling individual performances, and expresses both optimism and concern about Boston’s depth as the regular season arrives.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jaylen Brown’s Hamstring Injury: The Major Worry

(Main segment: 01:47 – 12:50)

• Incident Recap: Seven minutes into the first quarter, Brown, with a well-documented history of hamstring issues, grabbed at his left hamstring after pushing the ball upcourt. He gingerly left the court and did not return, officially listed as “doubtful” with left hamstring tightness.
• Karalis’ Reaction:
  • Emphasized that soft tissue injuries – especially recurring ones like Brown’s – require a more conservative approach:

    "Soft tissue injuries are so different...there’s a reason why certain things keep happening to certain people. Their body is made a certain way where they constantly experience [these issues]." (08:00)

  • Stressed that, given the Celtics’ ambitions and upcoming regular season, precaution should trump player eagerness:

    "You have to overrule them. This is the one time you have to overrule the player. Soft tissue injury, Jaylen Brown, hamstring. You have to make extra sure...Whenever he says he’s ready, you give him a couple more days, give him some more stretching..." (09:50)

  • Acknowledged possibility it could be minor, but cautions against risk:

    “If there’s any wavering, then no, no, no, no. I don’t care if he misses the first week of the season...It’s okay. Just be, please be careful with Jaylen Brown.” (11:45)

2. Xavier Tillman’s Heroic Finish & Validation

(13:00 – 15:13)

• With Brown sidelined, others stepped up—especially Tillman, whose late-game performance stood out:
  • Stat Line: 7 points, 1 assist (for three), 2 rebounds in the final 4 minutes, responsible for 10 points in crunch time.
  • Personal Journey: Tillman shared postgame that, after knee issues last year, he dropped weight and feels more explosive:

    "There were points last year where I didn’t want to jump because I wasn’t sure how my knee was going to handle the jumping and the landing. And this year, I feel like I can do everything." (14:00)

  • Karalis reflected on the significance of this redemption moment for Tillman and how the building “got loud” for him.

3. Individual Player Observations

Derrick White’s All-Around Excellence:

• (16:00 – 17:32)
  • "He is a pure basketball player...He is so damn good. 33 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 blocked shots. 4 more block shots for Derrick White. He is incredible." (16:20)
  • Praised White for his humility, ego balance, and impact.

Payton Pritchard’s Grit Despite Cold Shooting:

• (17:38 – 18:34)
  • "Joe Mazzulla actually said after the game, you wouldn’t know watching that game that Pritchard was 1 for 11." (17:55)
  • Praised Pritchard for effort: 10 rebounds, 10 assists, team-high +19 plus/minus.

Nemiš Keita’s Consistency Challenge:

• (18:38 – 19:58)
  • "He was really good in this game, but we need to see it consistently...It’s kind of easy to chase something. It’s hard to have caught it and hold on to it.” (19:45)
  • Karalis invoked Mazzulla’s wild animal analogy: it’s tougher to claim and defend your role than to chase it.

Ugo Gonzalez & Josh Minot’s Future Potential:

• (20:10 – 20:44)
  • Gonzalez: "I’m telling you: Hugo Gonzalez is going to be a starter for the Boston Celtics…he’s only 19 years old." (20:20)
  • Minot: "Josh Minot is a rotation player this year...He’s been consistently good." (20:44)
  • Jayson Tatum’s practice comment: “We could have used this guy the past couple years.” (21:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Karalis on Celtics caution with Brown:

  “This is the one time you have to overrule the player. Soft tissue injury, Jaylen Brown, hamstring. You have to make extra sure.” (09:50)

• On Derrick White’s value:

  “I just love watching him play…humble, but you know, got that ego too. He’s got enough of that ego to drive him, but humble enough to understand, like, self-aware…the whole package.” (16:40)

• On Xavier Tillman’s moment:

  “To have this moment is important. To motivate him is important. To have him be like, okay, it’s working. I made these sacrifices. It’s working. I get to have this moment after my teammates coming up and cheering for me and the fans erupting, you know, that felt like a real moment.” (14:40)

• Wild animal (cheetah) analogy, via Joe Mazzulla:

  “It’s kind of easy to chase something. It’s hard to have caught it and hold on to it…You’ve got to hold on to that thing.” (19:45)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Jaylen Brown Injury Analysis & Long-Term Concern: 01:47–12:50
• Xavier Tillman’s Redemption, Game-Winner & Emotional Impact: 13:00–15:13
• Derrick White Praise: 16:00–17:32
• Payton Pritchard Analysis: 17:38–18:34
• Nemiš Keita Evaluation & Mazzulla’s Analogy: 18:38–19:58
• Ugo Gonzalez and Josh Minot Potential: 20:10–20:44
• Negatives: Turnovers, Simons, Garza, and End-of-Bench Outlook: 27:25–33:45

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Additional Notes: Areas of Concern

• Late-Game Sloppiness:

  • Celtics nearly blew the lead with more fourth-quarter turnovers and "frantic play" (12:56).
  • "Once again, the turnovers were a problem. Celtics got sped up a little bit." (32:20)

• Anthony Simons Pressured in Clutch:

  • Simons singled out for 6 turnovers and difficulty handling late-game pressure.
  • "Joe Mazzulla said after the game, I left Simons out there as the only ballhandler for a reason. He’s going to need to be in these situations." (27:50)

• Luca Garza’s Offensive Fouls:

  • Recurring illegal screens flagged by refs. Karalis predicts officiating inconsistency will be frustrating for Garza. (29:35)

• Battle for Rotation Spots:

  • Baylor Scheierman and Jordan Walsh did not stand out; Karalis now sees Minot as having overtaken them for rotation minutes. (31:20)

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Conclusion

John Karalis wraps up by framing the close of preseason as a mix of hope and anxiety for the Celtics. The team faces clear questions about depth and health, especially concerning Jaylen Brown’s hamstring, even as some new faces (Tillman, Minot, Gonzalez, Keita) show signs they can contribute. The prevailing sentiment: be patient and cautious with stars’ health, and keep a watchful eye on which young or fringe players grab their opportunities as the season begins.

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Transcript

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Hey there. Welcome back to the Lockdown Celtics podcast right here on the Lockdown Podcast network. It's your team every day. Your team is the Boston Celtics. I talk about them every Monday through Friday for free right here wherever you listen to podcasts or you can watch a show on YouTube, get into the comments section, share your thoughts with the other everydayers, the people here with me every Monday through Friday. I'm John Corrales, beat writer for Boston Sports Journal. I've written a couple of books about the team and I've been covering them for about 20 years. Today's show is brought to you by Game Time. Download the Game Time app, create an account, use the code locked on NBA for 20 off your first purchase of tickets to all sorts of things, including maybe a Boston Celtics game later on. They did play a game and Jaylen Brown did get hurt. I'll go through the bad stuff later in the third segment. I'll save the worst for last. Anthony Simons, the turnovers, Luca Garza's illegal screens. We'll get to the good individual players in the second segment. Derek White, Peyton, Pritchard, Nimius, Keita. Yes, I acknowledged Mishkeda had a really good game. We'll get into Tillman heroics in a little bit, but we have to start with the absolute worst case scenario. Jalen Brown, about seven minutes into the first quarter, bringing the ball up, kicks the ball ahead and then reaches back and grabs at his left hamstring. It is my biggest fear for the Boston Celtics that Jaylen Brown, who has a history of hamstring issues, would go down with a hamstring injury. And, you know, throughout the summer, we talked about, you know, as long as the Celtics stay healthy and blah, blah, but if Jalen Brown, you know, deals with the hamstrings. The reason I always bring up the potential for a hamstring injury with Jalen, because this is, I don't know, the seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth time he's dealt with some sort of hamstring something during a regular season. So it's always. It's, look, some guys, they just have a thing and. And that's, yeah, how it goes. Jalen has managed it, I think, fairly well. It just creeped up and bit him. Now. He didn't go down. He didn't scream in pain. He kind of like grabbed at it. Then he started jogging gingerly. He asked his way. He asked out of the game, went to the back. We never saw him again. And he was ruled doubtful to return with left hamstring. Tightness hasn't officially been diagnosed as a strain, hasn't officially been ruled out of anything but hamstring. And Jalen Brown immediately just puts up the red flag for me because of his history and because it's a soft tissue thing. Now, I'm notorious for saying when a guy is healthy, when he's 100%, he should play because you're not getting to more than 100%. And that is still true. I still believe that. But it's easier with like a break or even with Jason's Achilles injury. That's a catastrophic injury. You sew the thing back together. When it heals, it heals. When you ramped up, you're ramped up and that's it. A broken bone, when it heals, it heals and that's it. Soft tissue injuries are so different because There's a reason just physiologically, there's a reason why certain things keep happening to certain people. Their body is made a certain way where they constantly experience. For Jaylen Brown, it's tightness in the hamstrings and whether that's a hamstring issue, a glute issue, a back issue. A lot of times, these things kind of all come together. Everything's connected. You know, the leg bones connected to the thigh bone and all that stuff. When it comes to the soft tissue, when it comes to a hamstring, the Celtics have to be so extraordinarily careful with Jalen, because the last thing you want to do is have him feel like, oh, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Come back and he's like 99 or thinks he's 100% and you're not 100% sure, and you take his word for it. And then it happens again. Once you get a hamstring tightness, that thing can come back and maybe. Maybe it's not all the way gone, and it can get worse, and then it becomes a full strain, and you're out three, four weeks, a month plus. It's so tricky. Hamstrings are so tricky. Soft tissue injuries are so tricky. And this isn't a season where the Celtics have to worry about, like, oh, my God, how does this affect our playoff chances? Doesn't matter. Who cares? Who cares? This is about getting through the season. If the Celtics are a playoff team, which I think if. If Jalen is healthy, and let me just interject on my own thing here and say it's entirely possible that in two days he'll be totally fine. And I acknowledge that he could be totally fine. But if they are good enough to make the playoffs and whatever run they make. Is Tatum back? Is he not? Whatever. Great. It's all gravy to me. Get through the season. Learn who can accentuate Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum, Derrick White, and move on and try to build your. Your championship contender next season. So if Jalen's like, no, I feel okay for opening night, and the trainers have any tiny little bit of issue, you say, nope, overrule them. You have to overrule them. This is the one time you have to overrule the player. Soft tissue injury, Jalen Brown, hamstring. You have. You have to make extra sure. Whenever he says he's ready, you give him a couple more days, give him some more stretching, give him some more whatever. Like that. That is, I think, the exception. There's an exception to Every rule. That's an exception to the rule. Soft tissue injuries especially, but especially, especially the hamstring. With Jalen, I'm going to stop there because I don't know how serious it is that he could be totally fine and ready for opening night. I, I will kind of be a little worried about it, but it is what it is. I just want them to be careful, be cautious. If he, if there's any wavering, if, then no, no, no, no. I don't care if he misses the first week of the season. Two weeks of the season. Celtics are going to struggle with that, with that part of the season anyway. So it's, it's, it's okay. Just be, please be careful with Jalen Brown. Now. The Celtics did continue to play and they almost, they almost blew it. We were looking at the Toronto Raptors again making another late fourth quarter comeback. More fourth quarter turnovers, more kind of frantic play from the Celtics. There were better players on the floor this time around though, and they ended up winning the game. They didn't all the way collapse, although the Raptors did come back to tie it. But shout out to Xavier Tillman, who scored seven points in the last. It was a little less than four minutes of the game. Seven points. He had an assist, two rebounds. The assist was a three point assist, so he had a three. He hit this gorgeous layup, the great move to get in for the layup and then the floater to win the game. And then he assisted on another three pointer, Anthony Simons. So Tillman was responsible for 10 points, 10 Celtics points in the last, we'll say round up to four minutes. Plus those couple of rebounds I think might have steel in there too. I will just say that Tillman came in saying, Look, I've lost £12, I'm playing lighter, my knee feels good. He said after the game. There were points last year where I, I didn't want to jump because I wasn't sure how my knee was going to handle the jumping and the landing. And this year I feel like I can do everything and, and you didn't even realize, like you didn't want to jump, like you couldn't jump. That's. Jumping is a key element to playing basketball. Most basketball players kind of need to jump and to not jump is that that's a rough season. And for him to come off that rough season, put in that work, lose weight, get his knee right and, you know, hopefully everything is right to come in and right away, preseason game or not, to have a fourth quarter like that look, these teams were trying to win the game and Tillman made the plays that guys couldn't make in the last Toronto game. They were out there against some of the Raptors regulars. They, look, Tillman went and kind of closed out the game. They, Tillman hit the final shot, hit the game winning shot, made plays, and I just am happy that he kind of gets this moment right away. A little bit of validation. I put in the work, I got my knee right, and look at this. I'm closing out a win, preseason or not. That was a nice kind of. I don't know if milestone is the right word, but it was a nice kind of moment for Tillman. You know, you can see in that smile after the game, he's just like, happy that you know what, it is worth it, you know, and he talks about, you know, he talked about post game, how it keeps you motivated. And I'm sure it can be really difficult for a guy like Tillman who's still like 27 years old, right? He's still in his prime. I know he has like the beard and the, the, the way he looks, just people think he's 37, not 27. He's in his prime. But to be that age and think like, man, am I, is my body gonna start like giving up on me here. To have this moment is important. To motivate him is important. To have him be like, okay, it's working. I made these sacrifices. It's working. I get to have this moment after my teammates coming up and cheering for me and the fans erupting, you know, that felt like a real moment. That building gets loud. Even though it's a preseason crowd, it wasn't totally full. That place got loud and you have that moment. It's a great, great feeling. So nice to have that validation for all the work that you did. So shout out to Xavier Tillman for hitting the game winning shot. So it's like he just needed, he needed the win. He needed the win. The Celtics winning the game, doesn't matter. Tillman needed the win professionally and he got it. And I'm very happy for him for that. Bunch of other guys played well. Derek White, Peyton Pritchard, Namish, Kada Ugo Gonzalez, Josh Mina. I'm talking about all of those guys when I come back. Today's show is brought to you by fanduel. If you are a new customer and you're just signing up for FanDuel, this is a great time to do it. NFL season is here. NBA season starts in a week. Less than a week. So go ahead, new customers. You bet five bucks on something, make it a good one because if you win, you get $300 in bonus bets. 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As far as they're the most physically gifted, talented, but they are so good physically, they have advantages that they actually don't have to be as good a basketball player as Derrick White and they could still get away with stuff. Derrick White to me is a great combination of physical gifts. He's got the size, the skill, the ability to shoot, dribble, pass, basketball IQ to understand quickly what is happening. He is so damn good. So damn good. 33 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, 4 blocked shots. 4 more block shots for Derrick White. He is incredible. I don't care that I'm gushing about Derrick White. He is so damn good. I think he, he's like easily one of my favorite Celtics of all. I just love watching him play. I love his attitude. Humble, but, you know, got that ego too. He's got enough of that ego to drive him, but humble enough to understand, like self aware, like the whole, the whole package. Derek White is the whole deal. So very excited that he is getting more opportunity. So I, I'll leave it at that. I gotta stop, I gotta move on because I can just sit here and talk about Derek White all day. Payton Pritchard is next, even though Peyton shot 1 for 11 and over eight from three. Joe Missoula actually said after the game, you, you wouldn't know watching that game that Pritchard was 1 for 11. He's right. I, I'm shocked to see 1 for 11. Like I could swear that I saw Pritchard hit a few buckets, but 10 rebounds, 10 assists, three. 10. I'm sorry, 10 points. Tennis is three rebounds, but a plus 19 team high plus 19. So he missed shots but was still in there doing things. Pritchard might be the Celtics best rebounder this preseason. Just the effort, boxing out, getting to the loose ball, getting in there. He, he's, he's done a lot of work on that end. So I, I'm, I'm. It was in incredible. It's incredible for Pritchard to do what he does. And we, we all know that he sneaks in there for offensive rebounds, but he has been working like crazy to get in there and rebound and box out and give his teammates a chance to rebound. So I, I have to give Pritchard the shout out. Even though he shot absolutely horrifically. He made a positive impact in so many other ways. Namish Keita. I know people are going to be like oh, there you go, John. You get to pick on the Mishkeda. I'm not. I do not enjoy picking on Nami Ashkeda. This is not a Trey Young situation. Trey Young is. Has a special category. He's different. Namish Kada. I have nothing personal. I have no vendetta. I have no ill will. I have my assessment of his skill level, and that's been made clear here. But I pride myself on being fair. And I actually, I do hope, I hope he proves me wrong. You know, I'm full. Full Principal Skinner. Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong. Prove me wrong. Keda and this game, even Joe Missoula, after the game when he was asked, you know, about Keda's ups and downs, he said this, this was good. He understands that Keita has the ups and downs. And he said this, this was good, as in, this was a good night for him. And he showed it in practice the past couple of days and he. It paid off here. 8 points, 12 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 block shots. He had that one move where no one, no one was making themselves available. So he backed down and dribbled like seven times and hit like this. Fade away with a nice soft touch. Really great move. Great finish. Like I said, nice soft touch for him. That, that's really. It was a really nice move. Impressive getting in there and rebounding like he did. Impressive defending like the way he did. Impressive. If he continues to do that, I will absolutely shut up about it and give him the absolute due praise. He was, he was really good in this game, but we need to see it consistently. You. You can't look past the obvious with him. Stretches of good. He's had stretches of good before. This is not the first time he's played well. He has played well before and then it has gone away. He just needs to do it consistently. So this was a really good Keda game. It's a nice way to kind of finish a preseason where he hasn't really been great. So. And I love Joe's point about, you know, it's kind of easy to be a rookie. It's kind of easy to be the fourth string guy because you kind of know, like, I'm a rookie, I got to do xyz, like it's laid out in front of you. But to be the guy that's a starter or considered as a starter, that's a different level. That's hard to. To live up to that standard all the time. It's. It's kind of easy to chase something. It's hard to have caught it and hold on to it. That's the hard part right in using Joe Missoula's wild animal. It's like a, a cheetah catching something. You work hard. It's easy to run fast for a cheetah and cheetah catches something. But then cheetah has to take that thing up into a tree and defend it against like lions and other bigger cats are going to come along and try to steal what the cheetah has. That's the hard part for the cheetah. You gotta get a hold on to that thing. I gotta send this to Joe Missoula. He might actually use this for, for Keda. That's where Keita, he has to know how to work to hold on to this spot. So great game for him. Quickly, Ugo Gonzalez just good defensive positioning. Hit a couple of shots, three of six, two of two from three. I, I like this kid. He has work to do for sure. He's not, I don't think he's going to be a rotation guy this year. Low. He, he kind of like gives you little flashes here and there. I'm telling you. Hugo Gonzalez is going to be a starter for the Boston Celtics. Is he going to be a year, two, three years from now? I don't know. He's only 19, you know, copyright Jason Tatum, but he's only 19 years old. But I think Ugo Gonzalez is eventually somewhere, somehow going to be a starter for the Boston Celtics. I think he's that good. And shout out just quickly to Josh Minot, who I, I've just been impressed with him all preseason. I latched on to the Josh Minot story early because I thought like this is the prototype of what the Celtics need. And it was funny that Jalen Brown kind of said that at practice last. Was it Monday where he's, he's like we could have used this guy the past couple of years. Kind of exactly the type of guy, big, long, six, eight with a seven foot wingspan, type of, you know, pest defender. So another just decent game from him consistently. He's been consistently good. So I'm, I'm excited. I think Josh Minot is a rotation player this year. All right. When we come back, the bad which is basically the fourth quarter and a little Anthony Simons, a little Luca Garza. We'll talk about that when we come back. Today's show is brought to you by Wayfair. 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Game Night's gonna have all the games covered seven days a week and Lockdown NBA has the big stories covered in the afternoons. So two podcasts there. So make Locked on Celtics your first listen and make Locked on NBA and Locked on NBA Game Night your second and third listens. All right, let's get into some of the things that bothered me in this game. I'm going to start with Anthony Simons, who I was going to let him slide. I thought this was, it was like, it was like a foul that was like a no call. And then you look at it again, you're like, oh, no, that's absolutely a flagrant. He had a tough shooting night. 4 of 13, 2 of 9 from 3, 6 turnovers. But it was the late game situation, it was the fourth quarter that really made me think, okay, this was not a great Simons night. Joe Missoula said after the game, I left Simons out there as the only ball handler for a reason. He's going to need to be in these situations. He needs to get used to these situations with us and other guys need to know how to help them. And, and part of this is not just the Anthony Simons thing. It was Simons and the rest of the guys because they were pressuring Simons and people kind of ran out of his way. They should have been coming back to help him. So I think other guys on the, on the floor at that point were complicit. The Raptors really turned up the pressure. So Simons was asked to do a lot. He wasn't always great. He did like hit a couple of free throws and so he did enough. They did enough and they, they ended up holding on. But I don't think Simon's played particularly well. I have to go back and look at the defensive possessions. There are just some times that he is putting in the effort and he's staying in front of a guy and then you hit him with a pick and he just kind of dies on it a little bit. It, it's you don't. You don't wanna. I'll just say that I, I don't want to give him too much of an issue, but he is probably gonna have to be better against picks. He's gonna have to figure out how to navigate those better. He. He's pro gonna look better as just, hey, me, you square up. Just me and you. He could probably stay in front of somebody and be okay when he's fully engaged, but when that pick comes, that's going to be where things fall apart. So not the best night for Anthony Simons. Also, Luca Garza, he had three, I believe, offensive fouls, picks that he set. He wasn't always happy about it, but here's. Here's what I think. Like, Garza is good at setting the picks and we've sung his praises and I think he's going to be important part of this team. But I think sometimes he gets like a little bit. A little bit of a lean, a little too much of a lean that gets right on the edge of, is it legal? Is it not? You're going to get the wrong officiating crew that's going to have that interpretation. Like, nope, that's too much. That's an offensive foul. And other crews are not going to call those. And that's going to be the frustrating thing for Luca. It's that he's going to set the same pick two nights in a row. On one night, it won't be a foul. On another night it will be. And the problem's going to be that when it, when it's called, you'll look at it and be like, yeah, it kind of is. And he's going to rightly say, well, they didn't call it two nights ago. And you're like, yeah, no, they kind of let you play a little bit. And that's, that's where the officiating, different differences are evident. So it's going to be a little tough. I think that might be his most frustrating part of this season. So I'm not going to say I'm not going to get too hard on him for it, but he's gonna have, he's gonna have these nights. He's gonna have another night where he hits two or three illegal screens. It's gonna be like, oh, my God. As far as individual players, I think that's. That's kind of where I like Baylor Scheiman wasn't great. I, I was looking at Sherman as a rotation, potential rotation player. Right now, I'm not seeing Shireman as a rotation player. I think Josh Minot has come in and kind of taken those minutes, but we'll see. Jordan Walsh played 11 minutes, was, you know, it's okay. Nothing, nothing great, but nothing bad. So. Missed a couple of shots, but yeah, so, I mean, Jordan, Jordan's been hurt, had the groin issue. Kind of tough. I'm not sure where he fits in all of this right now. A lot of this is going to depend on practices where I haven't. I don't get to see practice so that we'll have to wait for the regular season. I'm curious to see if Ugo has done enough to stick around and get some of these kind of late, maybe garbage time minutes or if he's moved ahead of. I don't think he's moved ahead of these guys at the end of the bench, but I would. And just to be clear, I'd rather he go to Maine and get, I'd rather see him get 34 minutes in Maine than 3 minutes of garbage time in Boston. Occasionally that'd be okay, but that, that's. I'd rather not see that. So individually, those are the players that I, I really thought didn't play well. I thought the turnovers, once again, late turnovers were a problem. Celtics got sped up a little bit. Not thrilled personally with the overall turnovers from the preseason, especially because against, you know, three of those games were against lesser teams, lesser talents, guys, you know, teams that were arresting their main guys. So once again, the turnovers were a problem. I, I didn't like that at all. And I think the Celtics kind of shot. Obviously they shot poorly, so tough shooting night as well. But those are the negatives from this game. Preseason is over. It's done. So this is the Thursday show. We're going to wrap up the week Friday. 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