
Boston Celtics storm back from a 20-point deficit as Joe Mazzulla’s gutsy rotation shakeup fuels an electric comeback against the Indiana Pacers. Is Hugo Gonzalez emerging as Boston’s next breakout star? John Karalis of Boston Sports Journal breaks down how pulling the starters transformed the game, spotlighting Luka Garza’s relentless hustle, Anfernee Simons’ scoring spark, and bench dominance that tipped the scales. Key moments include Jaylen Brown’s critical fourth-quarter takeover, Jayson Tatum’s high praise for Gonzalez, and the notorious shooting variance that doomed Indiana. Analysis digs into the Celtics’ surging bench production, evolving rotation, and what Boston’s resilience means for upcoming matchups and playoff ambitions. With Mazzulla pressing all the right buttons and young players stepping up, could this blueprint power the Celtics deeper into the NBA season? Don’t miss expert insights, locker room reaction, and what’s next for Boston’s playoff push.
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Joe Mazzulla pulls the gutsiest move of his coaching career and it gets the Celtics a super fun comeback win. We're talking about it right now on the Lockdown Celtics Podcast. Huh? Yep, yep. Beam be ever ready. It's the seas. Who else could it be? What they gonna say now screaming like JT Corralics recap the madness every game, every practice, prime time Jeopardy. White on the sideline Rennie J. How we started raising banners how we finished locked on Celtics pod Home of the winners baby. Welcome back to the Lockdown Celtics Podcast right here in the Lockdown Podcast Network. Where does your team every day? Your team is the Boston Celtics and I talk about them every Monday through Friday, plus bonus podcasts when they plan the weekends. I'll be here through the holiday, so make sure you're subscribed. Wherever you get your podcast. Watch a show on YouTube. You the everydayer, the person who's with me every single show. You are what makes this the number one Boston Celtics podcast in the world and the number one sports podcast network Locked on is the number one sports podcast network. So thank you all for making this that if you're new to the show, I'm John Corrales, beat writer for Boston Sports Journal. I've been doing a version of this job for about 20 years. I've been doing this podcast for 10 and I've written a couple books about the team. Today's show is Brought to you by FanDuel. Download that FanDuel app. You can get in on NBA action on Christmas Day during NBA Happy Hour every Friday from 6 to 7:30 Eastern. So check that FanDuel app to see what's dropping. That's going to be fun over there. I am over here at TD Garden after the Boston Celtics 103.95 win. I'm upstairs here at the Sports Museum. So if you're watching me on YouTube, I got my guy, Larry Bird behind me over my shoulder, Bobby Orr, Ted Williams, Collier Strempsky's back there. So I'm just hanging out here after this incredible win. Later on we'll get into individual performances. I'm going to save the Pacer side of things. We'll get a quick note from Lockdown Pacers on that and the shooting variants, which, honestly, look, I'm going to talk about all the fun stuff first. I don't know if I've ever seen a shooting variance quite like what the Pacers pulled off. They could not miss in the first half. I mean just unconscious three point shooting. And then the second half literally almost missed everything from three. An incredible turnaround that's coming up later. But we got to start with the absolute, I mean, ballsiest move from Joe Missoula. Beginning of the third quarter where the Celtics just didn't look great. So we start the game, the Pacers are hitting everything, right? They seven of their first eight or eight of their first nine. Then they missed a funeral. But then they started hitting again and the Celtics were just trying to hang on. It wasn't crisp, they weren't hitting their shots. It just didn't look great for the Celtics. And they were down, you know, they got down like double digits then into the teens, got it back down to nine. And then the second quarter was just awful. The Celtics were awful in the second quarter. The Pacers kept doing their thing. Pascal Siakam was unstoppable. The things that I was just afraid of, right? They are shorthanded, missing a bunch of guys. I can't even list all of the guys that were missing. And I'm like, look, you just gotta, you just gotta stop Pascal Siakam. They didn't have Jordan Walsh, but that Josh Minot, they had Hugo Gonzalez. I felt like they had ways to. If you just shut down Pascal Siakam or, or try to limit him, do something, do something creative to limit him and just don't let them. Just don't let him get hot. From three, there's two of the things that I wrote before on Boston Sports Journal before the game, don't let them get hot from three and don't let Pascal Siakam kill you. And that's exactly what happened in the first half. So, okay, they go, they go into half, down 18, not a big deal. Actually, they didn't look great. But the Pacers, a six win team, right? Terrible. B32 shooting team, 32.3 shooting team coming into this game now, they had shot 60% in the first half. I'm like, okay, that's going to level off at some point. 18 point lead at halftime in the NBA means nothing. At 18 point lead in the beginning of the fourth quarter is nothing. So I just felt like the Celtics needed to come out of halftime strong. Come out, whatever. And hey, beginning of third quarter, you're like, okay, they're starting to hit some shots and the Pacers were missing shots. No one has blown more leads in the NBA than the Indiana Pacers. So I was like, okay, here we go. Starting to miss. And then what happens? The third thing I wrote about on Boston Sports Journal, rebound, the misses. Because they're going to miss a lot of shots. Just rebound, the misses and you often running. Offensive rebound, offensive rebound, offensive rebound. So even though they were getting the misses and they were hitting some shots, they weren't getting any separation. They were back down to 20. They, they actually it was starting to get away with, away from them. So nine, 20 or so on the clock. Missoula calls timeout subs out all of his starters and already Josh Minot, who started the game in place of Jordan Walsh, was already sitting. So now the subs come in. It's, you know, it was Baylor Shireman, Hugo Gonzalez, Anthony Simons was handling the, the scoring duties. Sam Houser was in there, Luca Garza, and what do you know? Energy, offensive rebounding, rebounding on the other end. Suddenly a little bit of a run. The 20 point leads down to 15, 14. You start to see 11, 4 run. What was it like 19, 19 to 6 run. And it just kept going and the Pacers just kept missing. And it was everything, everything that you could want from a comeback. You had incredible defensive plays. Ugo Gonzalez, that kid is going to be special. Let me just tell you here that whenever they start doing redrafts of the 2024 NBA Draft, UGO Gonzalez is not going to be picked 28th. Three years from now when podcasts start doing like, hey, let's redraft 2024, and who knows what's going to happen Cooper flag, probably still be number one. VJ Edgecomb will be up there. There'll be a lot of, like, different names that move up. I am telling you, I promise you, Ugo Gonzalez is going to be in that top 10. I promise you, he's going to be in that top 10. Maybe middle of that, maybe higher. He's going to be special. This. I've, I, I've been saying from the beginning that I know that he's going to be a starter on this team Sunday, a regular starter, not just beginning of the year. He started a game already, and I was, like, taking a quick little victory lap. Ugo Gonzalez is going to be a regular starter maybe next season. If not next season, the season after that for sure. But I'm telling you, next. Why wouldn't you start this kid? He has incredible instincts. He has incredible defensive instincts. He has already a bit of an offensive bag that he's slowly throwing out there. And whenever I've said, hey, you know, maybe you should get this kid some G league reps, it's always because I want to see him develop that offensive bag. Whatever. He doesn't have to do that now. But I'm telling you, he's going to develop that. I'm telling you, he's already a really good defender. Whatever happens from this season, Hugo Gonzalez is going to be a big part of the Boston Celtics future. I love how he plays. I love his instincts. I love his feel for the game, his attitude, the way he was a menace out there. He drew an offensive file. I think it was on Nemhard. He hit the deck. He caught up. He kind of smiled, he laughed, he let out a yell. He got the crowd going into it. There was a play where he lost it out of bounds, and Pascal Siakam smartly was trying to delay. So the refs, you know, to give his bench time to, to be like, I didn't touch it. Which he wasn't even close. It was a horrible call. And so they won that challenge. But Hugo's, like, pushing Siakam out of the way, like, try. He. He's just out there just being a, A pest, getting under people's skin. Ugo was great. I love watching this kid play basketball. Luca Garza, again, going out there just being, you know, persistent. He always looks like I was joking. I forget who it was. Maybe, maybe Bobby Krivitsky, who was saying, like I. I said, luka Garza looks like he ran a marathon. And he's like, he looks like he played basketball in a sauna. And that was like, yes. That's what Luca Garza looks like. He looks like he played basketball on a sauna. He comes out of the game, he's like, oh, huffing, puffin, just red face, pouring with sweat. I like this. This dude looks like. Like he works hard, but everybody works hard. He looks like he's worked super, incredibly hard, but he has. He's out there just persistent on the offensive rebounds, so he's keeping the. The ball alive. The Celtics second chance points were huge. They were 24 to 10 in second chance points, so the Celtics were plus 14. That was a big deal for the Celtics in this game. So he. He's part of this. This comeback. Charman makes plays, takes a big offensive foul, makes a big defensive play. The Anthony Simons is out there kind of handling the scoring, you know, hitting, going off on a, you know, hitting some. Some craziness. Everybody that was out there was making a contribution. That bench unit, like, after the game, Jaylen Brown, I asked him, you came out like, that never happens to you. Bench. Three minutes into the second half. And he said, I was pissed. I thought we were, you know, giving in. I thought that was it. And it turns out that it was the right call. It was, you know, the right decision. The bench won the game for us. And he said, quote, great call by Joe. Like, that's. He was upset because he thought, hey, we're. We're mailing. That's it. We're mailing it in. You know, already third quarter, we're down 20. I'm not even going to get a chance to bring us back. Okay, I get it. Like, and I can tell in his head, he's thinking, I get it, man. We're not playing great. But give me Jalen Brown, an all NBA player right now. Give me a chance to. To pull us out of this. Joe's like, nope. All of you, sit. Bench goes in. Joe pressing the right buttons. Joe pressing the right buttons again. What? I Yesterday's podcast again. Joe deserves more credit. And here he is. Perfect timing. Thank you, Joe Missoula. Right after, I'm like, this dude deserves more credit. And people like, oh, I don't know, he comes in, makes this decision, flips the game, wins the Celtics, the game. Just mastery. So it was a perfect call, the right call. The Pacers were complicit. The shooting variance is something unlike I've ever seen before. We'll talk about the shooting that went into this when I come back. Today's show is brought to you by FanDuel. Open up that FanDuel app because we know that Sundays move fast in the NFL and these games in the NBA move fast just about every night. One big play and suddenly everything feels different. That's what makes live betting with FanDuel so exciting. You're not just watching the game, you're reacting to it in real time. Can you imagine what the odds were? I didn't even see what the live odds were, but The Celtics down 20 and Joe pulls all the starters. Can you imagine what those live odds were? He could have gotten in on that. Boom. That would have been a big payoff, I'm sure. 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So it's Tony east to the Celtics 10395 in Boston. Tony east here with Lockdown Pacers. That's tough for the pacers. They're up 20 multiple times in this game. They made 12 of their 23s in the first half, were riding a high, looked good, had the energy, had the momentum. Then they made one of their 23s in the second half of this game en route to blowing that 20 point lead. Jalen Brown was hard to stop for the Pacers. Their defense though was largely okay for most of the game. Consistent ish effort. It was not great in crunch time, but mostly they're shooting and offense just evaporated. Their lowest effective field goal percentage in half this season. In fact the lowest of any team in a half this season. You can't win that way. You can't win shooting that poorly, even with a very good scoring. First half past Gal Siakam with 25 points was quite good. Pacers keep tinkering with their lineups, but they lose Isaiah Jackson injury. They stopped remembering how to shoot the ball. The Celtics kept fighting, playing their game, stuck with it and got it done. We have much more unlocked on Pacers.
John Corrales
So that's go check out Tony east on Lockdown Pacers. He does a good job there. If you want to get the Pacers perspective, I always recommend that you go check out the other teams shows we get a lockdown for everybody. Look, the Celtics defense, it is designed to take away the rim. They need to be better at who they allow to take the three point shots and making sure that they are challenging, contesting those shots properly. Now shooting is contagious. It's just one of those weird things that when one guy is going to. You very rarely see, like, oh my God, these, this one guy is shooting crazy and then everyone else just kind of sucks. Although that kind of did happen with Derek White the other night. But it just feels like every night, every time one person starts hitting, a couple of guys start hitting and everybody starts hitting. And then when somebody goes cold, it's just wild to see everybody go cold. I don't know how that's possible, but the Pacers forgot how to shoot and that really was part of it. The rebounding was such a big reason why I thought Hugo Gonzalez was so huge for the Celtics. He had 11 rebounds, nine defensive rebounds. That's the thing. Without Jason Tatum, the Celtics have struggled to get a forward to get in there and rebound. You get Nimius Keita out there, he's big, he'll get in there, he'll get some rebounds. Luca Garza goes in and gets you the offensive rebounds and some of the defensive defensive rebounds, but mostly the offensive boards. The Celtics don't have a strong rebounding team. They don't have a bunch of strong rebounders. We know that because Tatum has is out. And when Walsh is playing at his best, he gets in there and he rebounds. Ugo getting in there, grabbing some boards, stopping, actually getting the stops that you need to run and get out and score is, it's a big deal. And like that shooting variance applies the other way too because if you look at the first, like the first half, the first quarter, 12, like, okay, second quarter, Pacers were four of eight, the Celts were one of seven. Gross. Third quarter, all of a sudden now the Pacers go one one of 12, Celtics four of 13. Not great. But you, you make up some ground. Four of 13. Everything else you, you like those, those three makes, they made eight. The Pacers made eight shots in that quarter, the Celtics made 11. And all that difference was in that three point line. So they make up 10 points there. And then in the third quarter, the, the Pacers go over eight and the Celtics go two for six. You just make up a little bit of ground here or there. The variance from the Pacers, obviously the Celtics didn't exactly shoot the Lights out now. Jalen hit a crazy corner three pointer. Derek hits one. It was more getting to the rim. And I think when it comes to like Jalen, Jalen said after the game, like he attacked, he got the ball and just like drove attacked the basket because they, he felt like they, they were, they were passive as a team and he felt like he was settling a little bit. So I just feel like whenever you get some, someone off the bench, somebody contributing off the bench, you know, with the rebounding, that's, that's such a huge plus. The Celtics bench was again a, a big plus in this game. This is the third straight game now. They scored 40 plus in the last two. The Celtics put up more points. I didn't do like the percentages, but the Celtics only scored 103 in this game. And the bench scored 32. Right. 6, 12, 18, 28, 29, 32. There we go. So I'm counting on the podcast always a plus content. The Celtics bench scored 32 points, which is some what are the Pacers score? 9, 11, 14, 16, 18. So that's a big difference. And the Celtics bench hasn't always been a strength when it comes to scoring. There's very many of these games where the Celtics bench is, is in single digits or low double digits. To have the Celtics bench again come up and score the nearly a third of their points, that's, that's huge. And obviously big because they had such a big stretch in that third quarter, but just phenomenal. Phenomenal. Like we talk about team wins, that was, that was a team win. The exchange between Ugo Gonzalez and Jason Tatum in the locker room, if you haven't heard about this, was hilarious. I'll tell you about that when we come back. Today's show is brought to you by Robinhood. No one knows your money goals better than you. Robinhood puts you in control of your money with tools that work as hard as you do, locking in on every opening, beating your pr, beating it again. Channel that drive into your money. Robinhood puts you in control of your money. Robinhood puts you in control of your money. Because you can Trade stocks with ETFs, options, futures and crypto all in one platform. 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John Corrales
Inspires hey, thanks for making Lockdown Celtics your first listen every day. Thanks for being in every day or making this show the number one Celtics podcast on the planet. And on the number one locked on podcast networks, the number one podcast sports podcast network, which is amazing that you know. Number one thanks to you. So post game, the the scrum is going on. Ugo Gonzalez is there talking to us and Jason Tatum is walking kind of out past the locker room and it's the scrum is almost over and Jason just yells to Ugo, you still here? Which is always funny, right? Because like you're looking at the dude. Yes, he's still here. So he goes back, goes, yeah, I'm still here. He goes, hey, what I say to you yesterday? And Hugo says, I can't say right now. Which, okay, now I know what's coming. And Tatum yells back that you're a bad mother. I can't say the final word either. But Jason Tatum out there calling Ugo a bad mf like that is that. I love that because first of all, Ugo, 19 years old rookie, here's Tatum a chance to haze the rookie in front of everybody. And he's like, no, you're bad, man. You're a bad, you know, you're, you're, you're like that respect out there is, is really amazing. And I think Jason understands, I think everybody understands that Brad Stevens has a hit on his hands over here. It's funny. People like to talk about like, oh man, Brad, Brad Stevens can't draft. Why can't you? Why can't he draft? And like not giving a chance for any of these guys to actually work out. Now Jordan Walsh, late second round, looks like somebody who's going to stick around. Ugo Gonzalez at the 28th pick is a hit. And like I'm telling, I'm telling you that he's going to be a stud for the Celtics moving forward. It's just really Fun to see. I think that everybody kind of recognizes that just some other individual performances. First of all, Jaylen Brown, another 31 points. I didn't even get to his whole set. 31 points, nine rebounds, two assists. Like another 30 piece for him. Not the most efficient night for him, but a good recovery. Fourth quarter, he scored 14 points. He outscored the Pacers in the fourth quarter, 14 to 13. Peyton Pritchard, Derrick White, you know, Pritchard didn't shoot particularly well, so it was an okay game for him. Derrick White was, was pretty good, especially late after that after the benching, he finished with 19 points, but, you know, just good. Joe was, was careful to give Anthony Simons a lot of credit after the game. And I, I thought that was, I think that's worth something because Simons has been important and this was a real good kind of example of, of what he can be for Boston on a night where Jalen just kind of didn't have it for a little bit, you know, a little while there. Simons. I, I, I, now, I, I've talked about like, oh, his locker has been empty in the locker room. It's, it's got stuff in it now. Like, it's not as bad as it was before, but I still like, wonder how, you know, comfortable or uncomfortable that Simons has been with the situation. I, I would love to see him get more comfortable. I think if you missed the bonus podcast, the bonus content with me and Keith Smith that was on YouTube only, I, I will release an audio version of that on an off day coming up. So if it's not in your audio feeds yet, you want to go watch it, it's on the YouTube page. If you don't want to watch it on YouTube, it will be released on the audio feed during an upcoming off day. So it'll be a bonus kind of like weekend show on a, on a day that you're not playing. But there is a world where the Celtics keep Anthony Simons and I think there's a scenario where he could be, depending on, you know, what he's willing to do, he could be an important part of this team. If he can embrace the, the bench, coming off the bench, if he can be a, you know, if he can find his way to being an effective player off of the bench. I think there's a, I think there's a world where he can be a high end sixth man for the Celtics at least for another, you know, a year or two. And let's be honest here, next year, Jalen Brown's going to be 30. The, you know, he, he was on Derrick White's podcast, like talking about he doesn't want to play past like 34. I mean, he'll see. He says that now you don't know what's going to happen, but you're, you're not. There's not a lot of time left for Jaylen Brown in the NBA, right? Four or five years, if you get a couple of them with Anthony Simons figuring this out, figuring out how to be a six man. And now you got Ugo, you're like, okay, hold on. Now we got ourselves something here. You got H. You got Jaylen and Jason and Derek White, who's 30, 31. You know, he'll, he's, you know, only got a few years left too. Like, unfortunately that's. He's only got a few years left. Some of these guys only have a few years left of being as effective as they are. That's how things go. So those three guys, you got Peyton, that it's a pretty good team. You get Jordan filling in a gap. Maybe you keep Minot, he fills in a gap. You start to see like these pieces where this Celtics team as it stands without Tatum, you're like, okay, I can see like this is. They aren't bad. They aren't bad, right? They're. They're the third seed. I didn't even check what the standings look like, but they look, they look pretty good. And now you're like, okay, you add, the Celtics are alone in third at 18 11. They're in a 50 win pace. I still think they're going to tail off. Maybe not. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm just like, maybe. I don't know. But anyway, I still think that, like, obviously this is a good team. Tatum comes back this year, knocks off the Russ beginning of next year. He's. He's Jason Tatum again. Anthony Simon's coming off the bench. Hugo Gonzalez coming off the bench. Okay, you get a big man somehow maybe, maybe you just find a. Another serviceable big man. And that's like you. I don't know, maybe you find, find a way to build a front court there. You have traded player exceptions. Maybe there's a way you can find a big man to trade for into one of that. You give up a pick or two in the next couple years. Is there a way that the Celtics can kind of keep all of this together? I think this game kind of shows a little bit of okay, Anthony Simons with kind of some freedom, getting more Comfortable in that six man role. I like that idea. I, I kind of like where this is going. Again, I don't have the highest expectations for this year. I'm not. We're at Christmas. This week is Christmas, and that's great. The Celtics are going on their long road trip. They're going to go on their west coast trip. This is a very winnable, they're winnable games on the stretch, but they're going to start hitting some of the, the, the doldrums. They're going to start hitting January when things start to tail off. What happens there? We got to get through some of these, these parts where we say, you know, is, is there going to be any kind of like regression or anything like that? Still got to get through all of that. But regardless of what happens this year, it's, it doesn't even matter to me. What matters more is what they're figuring out for next year. I kind of like all of these pieces that we're seeing that you can apply to next year. The more this stuff works out, the less Brad Stevens has to do. Then you become, it becomes like, just acquire a big, a serviceable big, a good big somehow. And can you keep some of this scoring here? I don't know. We'll save that for another podcast right now. Celebrate. This win is a fun one. This is a fun win. It's a nice win. Credit to Joe Missoula for pulling that, you know, pressing those buttons. Credit for those, to those guys for coming in off the bench and, and making that happen. And it's three in a row. And now Friday, watch Friday's game because the last point I want to make is Jalen was saying like, they're talking trash over there, one guy in particular. And so he's basically saying, I'm looking forward to playing them again on Friday. I think Jalen wants to blow the doors off of that, that team on Friday. Will that be good or bad? Will it be trying too hard? I don't know. But I will do a podcast after that game. I will have podcasts all week long. So make sure you're subscribed to this show, this podcast. You can watch it on YouTube. You can become an everydayer. Join me every Monday through Friday. Plus these bonus podcasts join the everyday club. Five bucks a month, 50 bucks for the year, so you get two months free that way. 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Host: John Karalis (Locked On Podcast Network, Boston Sports Journal beat writer)
Theme: Breaking down an improbable and gritty Boston Celtics comeback win over the Indiana Pacers, driven by head coach Joe Mazzulla’s gutsy benching of the starters and the exceptional energy and execution from the Celtics' bench unit.
John Karalis recaps a dramatic Celtics victory over the Pacers, highlighting the pivotal decision by coach Joe Mazzulla to bench all his starters early in the third quarter. The move sparked a third straight win for the Celtics, showcasing both enormous bench contributions and the blossoming of young talent like Ugo Gonzalez. Karalis examines what went wrong early, how the Celtics turned it around, and why this win is significant both for this season and the future.
This episode delivers an inside look into one of the most remarkable Celtics comebacks of the season, spotlighting Joe Mazzulla's bold leadership and the vital contributions of the bench. With anecdotes from the locker room, honest player reactions, and sharp analysis of on-court dynamics, Karalis paints a vibrant picture of a team finding new ways to win—and sparking optimism for a promising future.