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UGLY: Celtics OVERCOME worst turnover game, WIN sloppy in Brooklyn
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Boston Celtics grind out an ugly 113-99 win over the Brooklyn Nets, pushing their record above .500 for the first time this season. Can Derrick White’s lockdown defense and Payton Pritchard’s first-quarter heroics spark a sustained winning streak before a tough schedule hits? Host John Karalis of Boston Sports Journal dissects Jaylen Brown’s puzzling stat line—was it a bad game, or just bad optics?—and evaluates vital performances that kept the Celtics afloat amid 20 turnovers and Brooklyn’s aggressive defense. Roster dynamics heat up as Jordan Walsh faces zero leeway after early foul trouble, while Josh Minott and Sam Hauser step into critical bench roles. Karalis questions coaching decisions and explores why wing rotation remains unpredictable, especially with rising competition. Upcoming battles against Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland, and New York pose major tests—can the Celtics build momentum and sharpen their strategy before facing stronger Eastern Conference rivals?
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Edu it wasn't pretty, but we'll take it. The Celtics are over 500. I'll have that. Plus why guys like Jordan Walsh got no leeway to have a game like he had tonight. It's all right now in the Lockdown Celtics podcast. Who else could it be? What they gonna say now screaming like J.T. corralis recap the madness every game, every practice, prime time. Depp and D. White on the sideline. Rennie J. How it started. Raising Ben is how we finish. Locked on Celtics pod. Home of the winners, baby. Yeah. Welcome back to the Lockdown Celtics Podcast Podcast right here on the Lockdown Podcast Network where it's your team every day. Your team is the Boston Celtics and I talk about them Monday through Friday right here on the number one sports podcast network on the planet. Thank you everydayers, people who are with me every Monday through Friday for making that possible. This show's free. It's available Everywhere. It's on YouTube. Get into the comment section there. Share your thoughts with me. John Corrales, beat writer for Boston Sports Journal. I've been covering this team for 20 years doing this podcast for 10, and I've written a couple of books about the team as well. Today's show is brought to you by FanDuel. New customers. You bet five bucks you get 300 in bonus bets when that first bet wins. Use those across the app@fanduel.com to get started. The Celtics win in Brooklyn 113.99. A 14 point win seems like okay, yeah, 14. You know, that's good, that's good. But it was 90 a piece about halfway through the fourth quarter, and then they finally broke it open. Later on, I'll get to Jordan Walsh, who just got into foul trouble. Some of it was his fault. Some of it was tough calls. But I'll get into why. He has, like, zero leeway, and I'm very curious to see what happens next with Jordan, because who knows? Who knows? It's been such a fluid situation. We'll get into that second segment. We'll get into some of the individual performances. Definitely getting to Jaylen Brown, who didn't have a great game, but also the numbers showed that he might have. It's. This is one of the eye tests tells you one thing. The numbers might tell you another. So it's an interesting discussion about Jaylen Brown. Let's just start at the top, though, here with. This was an ugly win. The Celtics turned the ball over 20 times. They average 11 in, you know, over the course of the season. It's such an interesting, weird fact right now that the two worst turnover games that they've had were in New York and in Brooklyn. So something about being in New York City has caused them to have slippery hands. I don't know. I don't know what it is, but these weren't your. Just, you know, a tough, you know, tough whistle. Like, a lot of times you get 20 turnovers. You can factor in, like, okay, they tried to play fast. Maybe they pushed the ball a little too much. There were like, one or two of those where, like, at the end in the fourth quarter, Jalen just threw it over somebody's head. Those aggressive turnovers that, in that situation, wasn't the best, but you tend to live with those because you're trying to be aggressive and push the ball. Those are okay. You don't want too many of those, but those are okay. Sometimes you. You stack up some turnovers with, you know, there was that one game where Luca Garza had, like, three offensive fouls, which go down as turnovers. And, you know, you get. You get a ref that's like a stickler for leaning on, you know, an offensive foul. And sometimes that happens. And you. You have a 20 turnover game, but it's really, you know, 17, minus a couple of the aggressive ones. It's not so bad. These were. These were mostly bad. These were, like, just ball falling out of somebody's hands or being ripped out of somebody's hands or passes that. I was wondering, did someone spike the Gatorade? Like, they. They were playing drunk out there for a little while. Like, I just. I Think like, we. We're all gonna assign our own reasoning for this stuff. So, you know, maybe the Celtics felt like Brooklyn. They're 2 and 11. They, you know, they. Yeah, they play hard, but they're not great. We can come in here and just do our thing and. And whatever. I don't know if they. If that was that or if they were just bothered by tall, athletic, kind of aggressive, defensing, defending, kind of, you know, trapping to. To some degree. It wasn't at all trapping, but it was, you know, a little bit of blitzing was a little bit more aggressive defense than they're used to seeing. So maybe that was part of it. But the Celtics came in. It looked like they. A lot of the drives with the heads down and like, oh, somebody's in my way. I'm just going to pass it to where I think a guy should be. And the. The pass gets picked off. A lot of times when you drive, you're like, okay, you get your head up, you can at least read. Guys like Jaylen Brown have the ability to. They look past that first guy defending them. They're reading the second guy, and they. They're looking at that third level of defense to figure out where that help is coming from. Where's. Where is somebody tagging the roll, man? Is there, you know, all of these little things, like, okay, I'm gonna wait this extra tick to wait till this guy commits, and I'm gonna go the other way with it. And you find guys in the corner, you find guys rolling down the middle and so on and so forth. When Jalen or the playmakers are at their best, you see those things. This is them at their worst, where I don't think they were seeing that second, third level, at least the third level. So gross, ugly kind of thing. And the Celtics were down by. They were down double digits in this game. If it wasn't for Peyton Pritchard at the beginning of the game, the first quarter, keeping them in it, and if it wasn't for jalen in the third quarter, finally getting something together, 17 points in the third quarter to make up for the gross. I mean, Jalen was making up for his own mistakes, you know, with a lot of these turnovers. If it wasn't for, you know, some of those performances, you wouldn't have gotten to that middle of the fourth quarter with the game tied. The Celtics would have had to try a big comeback. So. But look, sometimes you. You just ain't got it. And you got to figure out a way at the beginning of the third quarter, when they came out and they were still turning the ball over, like, Jalen traveled. And I. As soon as it was like, 90 seconds into the third quarter, I said, okay, this is not going away. They didn't come out with, like, reckless abandon. They didn't go into the half. And, you know, Joe Missoula did the Three Stooges smack across everybody's face and woke them up. And then they went out there in the third quarter and blew Brooklyn out. No, they came out in the third quarter, and we're still stumbling over themselves. And it was clear at that point, I was like, all right, this is going to be an ugly game. This is going to be an ugly win if you just got to figure out a way. And we can bemoan the turnovers, which I have been doing for five minutes now. You can bemoan the. The sloppy play and just be like, you know, it's a little disappointing after some of the play where they figured things out. But at that point, you're like, okay, some nights you just don't have it. You just don't have it. If anybody's played organized basketball, we've all gone through some situations where you're like, I don't know. I just walked into the arena. Everything was fine. I walked into the arena and I went out there to play basketball, and I'm brain fog. I don't know what happened. And you get waxed and you just deal with it, and coach yells at you, and you move on. That happens. But the Celtics had their brain fog. Luckily, they had their brain fog against Brooklyn team. And maybe because it was a Brooklyn team, that. That contributed to it, but that's not a good basketball team. That's a team that's trying to lose. It's a team that's, you know, they just. They want a couple of games. And, you know, I'm listening to the Locked on Nets podcast, and they're like, oh, people are losing their minds. Why do we win these games? They don't want to win games in Brooklyn. So both teams are happy with the results, but, you know, both. Both Locked on podcasts are celebrating today. But, you know, you. You got to find a way to win that. And, And. And they did, right? They snapped out of it. The defense stepped up in the second half, and they are now above.500. The Celtics are 8 and 7 the first time above.500 this season, which nice little, you know, an important kind of place to be because you now have Brooklyn again on Friday, Orlando on Sunday. Orlando is Kind of like a mess a little bit here. So Celtics have a win and a loss against Orlando. And again here's, you know, before Thanksgiving, they'll face another team in the east for the third time. They've already played Philly three times to get Orlando now for the third time. But okay, 8 and 7. Can you beat Brooklyn again? Get to 9 and 7. Can you beat Orlando and get to 10 and 7? That would be really, really important because after that it's Detroit at home. Detroit is hot. Minnesota is good, Cleveland is good. You got those, those two teams on a back to back Saturday in Minnesota, Sunday in Cleveland. That's, you know, it's not the worst travel in the world, but it's still a back to back against two good teams. So that's, that's a tough three game stretch. Then you come home and play New York. That's a four game stretch. And then Washington, okay. And then the Lakers on a back to back. So you got a condensed schedule there. And then you finish it off with Toronto before you get into the NBA cup knockout craziness. And who knows what that schedule is going to be. So the Celtics have the potential to, to go, this is what, three in a row? So you can go four, five in a row before. Oh, you know, look, would anybody be surprised if it's a loss against Detroit, Minnesota, Cleveland, New York? There's four potential losses. Do you lose all four? Do you sneak a win in there or, you know, or two, you know, split that? I'd be so thrilled. But you know that that could be a tough stretch. So if you can get up to 9 and 7, 10 and 7 before that stretch, you come out of that stretch somewhere. Like if you can come out of that stretch above.500, great. But point is there's, there are tough games coming up. This was an important win to figure out. And now maybe you can stack them up and get a four or five game winning streak together. Get that five game winning streak together. That'd be really, really nice. And then that makes that tough part of the schedule a little easier to manage. Basically what I'm saying is win the games you're supposed to win. So you can, if you can manage to steal one against a good team like you did already once against Cleveland, if you can manage to steal one against a good team, then that puts you in a much better position. All right, let's get into individuals when we come back. Derrick White's defense in the second half was incredible. The Celtics defense in the second half, especially the fourth Quarter was good. Pritchard was at the head of that snake. We'll get to him. We'll get to Peyton Pritchard's role. We'll get into Jalen Brown. All of that is coming up next. Today's show is brought to you by Skims. When skims announced they were making underwear for men, reaction made perfect sense. 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The number one Celtics podcast in the world on the number one sports podcast network in the world. Make your second listen locked on NBA game night, which covers every night in the association. I'm supposed to be on on Tuesday nights heading into Wednesday because the Celtics played. I'm doing Wednesday night heading into Thursday. So I'm on. Check us out. We cover every game. Lockdown NBA in the afternoons covers all the big stories, debate show style. So both are on the same feed. We'll get into now the individual performances. I get a start with Derrick White's defense, which I think was just off the charts in, in the second half. A nice game for Derrick White. Not you know, you make one more shot and the numbers look a little bit different. Shooting wise but still not where we want to be shooting wise for Derrick white who shot 6 of 15, 3 of 10 from 3. But you know, you, you go 4 of 10 from 3 and you're 7 for 15. You're, you're in a decent place. So 15 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks. So 4 stocks, 4 turnovers for Derrick White who was a plus 15 and the second half numbers he was, he was just everywhere. The, the chase down steals. The, the, the chase down block. The, the block on The Michael Porter Jr. At the end of a shot clock where he, he was like I was waiting for him to shoot the half court shot and then he stepped in. So I just made a play. It's when he had a turnover and then came down immediately and just kind of Marcus smarted his way to, to get an offensive foul on Nick Claxton. Like and the guys in the broadcast were like that is just incredible championship level awareness and defense and it is like his, Derrick White's defense in the second half was part of a big turnaround because in the second half the Celtics forced nine turnovers and had seven, you know, versus the first half where they were just awful. They had 12 and they only forced four. And then the defense in the fourth quarter was incredible. It was even better. The Celtics had three turnovers. In the fourth, they forced six. And they really were able to get out there and run off of those turnovers. Now overall, the Celtics turnovers, they gave up 21 points. But in the fourth quarter, the Celtics had 10 points off turnovers, only gave up two. So they really flipped that. And I think Derrick White was at the, at the real, just ahead of that defensive effort. You also had Peyton Pritchard, whose role just continues. He 22 points, 10 rebounds. So after the win against the Clippers, he was like, yeah, my, you know, I didn't get the rebounds that I probably should have. And he clearly focused that because 22 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists for him. He shot 5 of 12 from 3. So the, the 3 point shooting at just about 42% was there 6 of 16 shooting overall. Not he struggled from inside the line, but he got to the free throw line five times and plus 11 for. For Pritchard, who again in the first quarter was huge. He had 11 points in the first quarter to kind of play keep the Celtics afloat and struggled in the second half with his shot, but did the other things, rebounded, made the passes and. And all that. So Payton Pritchard's role continues. Now we get to Jaylen Brown, who I watching that game, I'm thinking he just didn't have a great game. But the numbers, 29 points, had four assists, a steal, three rebounds. The eight turnovers really just stand out. Like he. The eight turnovers were awful. And this is why I think Jaylen had a bad game because the eight turnovers were just killer, gross, ugly turnover. He just was not going well for him. But 9 of 19 is 47%, 3 of 7 from 3 is 43%, 8 of 10 from the line. And like I was saying with Derrick White, you know, you hit one more three, all of a sudden you're four of seven and you're. You're 10 of 19. And now the numbers are like, oh, wow, 50, 40, you know, 80% of the line. You can look at the turnovers and say, well, he had eight turnovers and that's not great. But 29 points on, you know, efficiency is kind of there. But watching that game, the, the eye test and the number test don't square up with Me. But the third quarter, he was huge, and the Celtics needed everything from the third quarter. They scored 27 in the third, and he had 17 of those, and they still had bad turnovers, and he had three. He had three of Boston's four turnovers in the third. So this is. This is probably why I think he. I was like, you know, this wasn't. Wasn't the best game for. For Jalen, because even as he was, like, doing all that stuff, I'm like, okay, this is great. And he got to the line seven times. He was working so, so hard to score, and it looked like he looked tired in the third quarter. He looked worn out. I was thinking, like, man, I. I mean, I'm not in his head, and I'm sure he has. Was anxious to prove that he can. He can lead a team, but I'm sure at this point, he's also thinking like, okay, when can Jason come back? Because I would gladly stand in the corner for a couple of these possessions and watch someone else isolate instead of having to do all of this stuff. So. But in the end, I think the best compliment I can pay Jalen is when you have 29 points, four rebounds, and four assists, and I sit there and be like, yeah, it wasn't the best game for him. That tells you how good he's been all season long and how good he actually is, because most players would kill. Would kill for 29, 4, and 4 and be like, yeah, the turnovers weren't great, but I'll take 29, 4, and 4 all the time, and you can go ahead and pretend I had a bad game. Jalen said he played like crap in the first half. He figured it out a little bit in the second half, and. And that is all fair, but it's one of those weird games where the box score says one thing, the eye test says something else. And when you're. When you're as good as Jalen Brown, to have a 29.294 and four bad game is actually pretty amazing. So, you know, take that for what it's worth. Jordan Walsh. A couple of things I didn't like. I'll get into that. Including Jordan Walsh sitting with foul trouble, and he has zero leeway. Jalen has all the leeway. Jordan has none of it. We'll talk about that when I come back. Today's show is brought to you by Rippling. You own a business, and you know that you need to. To be confident in the apps that you use. SaaS promised to make work easier, but now the average company is buried by hundreds of apps that slow down your teams. That's not SaaS. That's sad because these apps don't work together. Sad is software as a disservice, but you need Rippling to fix that. It's a unified platform for global hr, payroll, IT and finance all in one place. Who wants to do all of this stuff? You don't. 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Some of the other things I didn't like from this game, which Luca Garza I don't think this was his best game either. I think a young Athletic team. Kind of like maybe not the best matchup for him. It was funny. The Celtics threw him two lobs. I was like, why would anybody throw Luca Garza a lob? He's not athletic enough to go up and get those. And he didn't go get those. So I think that kind of shows the Celtic, like, where their heads were at. Know who's on the floor with you. I understand that maybe in that situation you're like, oh, here's. Here's this. I'm seeing this. I gotta throw a lob to the big. Well, that's not the. That's not your lob catcher. Neemi's your lob catcher. Go, you know, Luca. Luca needs something else. I'd rather. I'd rather you shoot the ball in that situation and miss and do like the Kobe assist because Luca can go up there and get the offensive rebound. Other thing I didn't like is no Gonzalez. Like what this is the. Your team is lacking energy or lacking focus. How about having this guy out there to kind of match up against their crazy athletic young players and let's see where it goes. I don't know. I've been making a whole big thing about, like, sending Ugo to Maine for a game here and there to get him some run. I asked the Celtics about that and they were like, nah, he doesn't need it. And then he doesn't play the next two games. Like, well, what's he doing? You know what I mean? So he could have played on that Friday night in Maine, giving him 30 something minutes. Go out there, play, get, you know, spread your wings a little bit. You know, just have some fun. Go play a whole basketball game instead of being DNP'd for a couple of games. I don't know that. It's confusing as hell to me. Just quick shout outs. I. I should mention Josh Minot because of Jordan Walsh's early foul trouble. Minot comes in and went 3 for 3 from deep. Finished 10 points. He's basically like Minot and Walsh is like the same kind of player. So if one guy's not coming in, the other guy can come in. And interchangeable in a lot of ways. Anthony Simons, nice bounce back 11 points off the bench. Sam Houser hit, hit two three pointers for the first time since November 1st, which was the loss to Houston. But the Steel, which started that whole run, technically it was 1989 and there was a free throw, but. So Sam Houser Steel was part of an 80 run that was part of an overall extended 183 run. But Hauser started the whole thing with that steel. That was the actual turning point in this game. So shout out to Sam for that. Now, Jordan Walsh was, you know, in. In foul trouble. He had early on. He. There was nothing that was going to tell me early in the game that made me think like, oh, God, dude, he's not. He doesn't have it today. In fact, there was a great play early where Namishkeda had the ball on the left block and made a move. Founds made a really nice pass to Walsh in the corner. Walsh drove towards the middle and then made a really nice individual move. Maybe the best individual move I've seen him make to get to the rim. It was really good. But then he got into foul trouble and had to sit. And then beginning of the third quarter, he got into 90 seconds in, he gets another foul and has to sit and then he doesn't play the rest of the, the, the. Basically the rest of the game. He doesn't come in, come back in until 18 seconds left. So Joe benched him and didn't even, didn't even think, like fourth quarter in that run. Didn't think, hey, let's bring Jordan in for his defense in the last nine minutes and if he gets two more fouls, so what? No, Jordan doesn't get that leeway. Guys like Jalen and Derek and Peyton, they get all the leeway in the world. They're going to play their minutes no matter what. Unless something egregious happens. But even then, those guys tend to play their minutes. Walsh, no, you don't get that. You don't get that much leeway at all because you got Josh Minot, okay? He's basically the same guy, long, athletic wing. So yeah, that's. You lose out there. Gonzalez was an option. They went with Baylor Scheiren for a while, who's okay. He did okay in his minutes. He's an option. Sam Houser is, you know, you know, gets minutes in those spots. There are plenty of wings. That wing rotation is so fluid where Jordan was getting DNPs and Josh was starting. Then Josh got DNPs and Jordan was starting. And the season started with Sam starting. And who knows, maybe Baylor Scheireman will start at some point. I have no idea what's going to happen. Guys like Jordan Walsh do not get that opportunity. You do not get to be comfortable. You do not get to be sloppy. You not. You do not get to be anything but really good at what you're doing. And that's unfair. That is very unfair. But guys like Jordan Walsh have zero opportunity to play through a bad stretch. No, you're the guy that needs to come in and play his best all the time. Because if you don't, there's three other guys sitting on that bench ready to come in and try to do that. And if one of those guys doesn't do it, they'll just go to the next one and just cycle through. And maybe Jordan Walsh starts the next game, maybe he doesn't. We don't know the way this season has gone. Every time somebody makes, you know, strings a few games together and we in the media start to say, oh, okay, well, here's. This is Jordan Walsh's opportunity, or that goes away. And this is Josh Minot's opportunity. Well, that went away. And here's Baylor Scheimen stringing a few games together. That goes away. Who knows? Xavier Tillman, you know, talking about losing weight and, you know, all that stuff in the preseason, and it starts to look good. And he hit that game winning shot at the end of the preseason. I guess it was Toronto. And then nothing. He's. He's not in the rotation. Who, who knows? There are a few guys that have their opportunity, and then there's a bunch of guys that it's. You can call it depth, but what it really is is a bunch of guys who are equally good and maybe a few different ways, but equally good that are all competing for the same few minutes a game. And so is it fair to Jordan Walsh? I don't know what's going to happen next, but no, it's not fair. It's not fair to Josh, it's not fair to Baylor. It's not fair to anybody because sports isn't fair. It's not fair all the time. So I'm. I'm fascinated now to see what happens on Friday. Maybe nothing changes. It's entirely possible. And nothing changes at all. It's entirely possible that Jordan gets a DNP and they go in a different direction. Who knows? Who knows? We'll have to wait and see. But that's. That's the, that's their lot in life. So it was just. It's just wild. It's wild because we just got the. Jalen sits next to Jordan on the plane and Jalen vouched for Jordan and now Jordan's got the opportunity. Jalen went and said, I'm gonna go talk to Joe Missoula. And. And that starts this whole new thing. And then that very next game, that very next game where everybody has that nice storyline of Jalen and Jordan sitting next to each other on the plane and all of that other stuff. The very next game he plays 11 minutes and doesn't doesn't play in the second half or barely plays in the second half. And Joe goes in a completely different direction. That's how the season is going. As soon as you think you've got a storyline down, you it changes drastically, especially at that part of the bench. So who knows? I'll be back here tomorrow for this is the Wednesday show. So you got two more shows for me Thursday, Friday show, no bonus podcast on Friday after the game because I'll be away so will not be able to do that. I have to catch up on the game. 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