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COWBOYS SQUAD SHOW: The Cowboys are bringing back RB Javonte Williams.
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COWBOYS SQUAD SHOW: The Cowboys Are Bringing Back RB Javonte Williams, and the very latest on WR George Pickens.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
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Jeff Biggs
I am Jeff Biggs and I am ready for some more deals to go down this week in Indie I am
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Marcus Mosher
Marcus Moser and the NFL combine is the best week of the schedule.
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Aisha Morrison
I am Aisha Morrison and Javante Williams coming back for another you know what? Two years, three years with the Cowboys is important to me.
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Jeff Biggs
Amen.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Glenn Stretch Smith here and present. Count me in.
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Aisha Morrison
How about them Cowboys?
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Marcus Mosher
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Aisha Morrison
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Jeff Biggs
All right, here we go. It is the final week of February and some Monday night Football here for you tonight on the Cowboys Squad show. Tonight we are brought to you by our friends at FanDuel. Let's give them a little bit of love. Right now fanduel is you can use your profit boost on an NBA future and get entered for your chance to win a trip to the NBA Finals player game with FanDuel the official sports betting partner of the NBA. All right we got to give it up and welcome with we start with our welcome to Aisha Multiple Morrison blowing it up as always. We've got the co host of the daily Lockdown Cowboys podcast, Marcus Mosher and former Cowboys coach the one and only Glenn Stretch Smith. All right we got a lot to get to tonight. The very latest on the Cowboys. George Pickens is set to be tagged. Lots of names for free agency and what can we Expect from the combine in Indy. But before we get into that over the weekend, Aisha mentioned it. Marcus, we'll start with you and we'll kind of go, go around the Cowboys. Very kind of quietly. It's kind of popped up. They resigned running back Javante Williams. Three year deal worth 24 million, 16 at least guaranteed, according to the reports. Marcus, your thoughts on the deal and does it mean anything to you that Javante was first?
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Marcus Mosher
No, I don't think, I don't think it means a lot. I think honestly Javante probably wanted to get it done more so than some of the other upcoming free agents because listen, running backs just don't get paid that much in free agency and there's only so many chairs available. And I thought, you know, maybe rather than trying to risk going out and getting another million or two in free agency, he decided to stay in Dallas in a situation where he was going to get a bunch of touches. I think it makes sense for Javante. I think it makes sense for Dallas to bring him back. He was really good last year. He fits the scheme. Do I think it's, I mean, personally, do I think it's a slight overpay? I mean, yeah, I do. But is it a big enough deal to get upset about? No, not really.
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Jeff Biggs
Okay.
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Aisha Morrison
Aisha, did you look at the details of the deal? Have we gotten the details like the guarantees and all that stuff?
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Marcus Mosher
It's, it's 16 million fully guaranteed. I think was an 8 million dollar signing bonus up front. But we haven't got any word on like how it's structured necessarily in terms of like base salary. But again, what, what we needed to know. The 16 million guaranteed over three years, it puts him at like the 15th or 16th running highest paid running back in the league, which I don't think is far off from where he's produced over the last couple years.
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Aisha Morrison
Okay, yeah, I mean, yeah, because I personally thought it was a bit fair just given like where the market is and everything. And then also too, I know you've been looking at the draft like what this running back class is as well. I think that, you know, free agency is going to be a little bit more rich for some of these veterans, given the class. But for Javante, I'm excited for him. I mean, he busted his ass, got here from that acl. I mean, Dallas scouted him. A lot of people had. I know we talked about it, I know all of us talked about it, you know, some doubts about, you know, what he was going to be and he showed up I'm hoping that Dallas gets him a, a stable two back just for the longevity of his, of his contract. And he's still young. I mean, Javante's just 25 years old, so, you know, I, I thought that it made sense for Dallas to go ahead and get it done and, you know, kind of look at their pen quarters as they go into free agency or to the combine week.
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Jeff Biggs
Yeah, I like that.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I mean, this is a guy that, I mean, he fits with what they want, which is he's a role model, great in the locker room, he's a leader. I mean, all the things that, all the characteristics. He checks all those boxes. He came in here, he learned this offense. He understands. I mean, we've said it, I've said it a hundred times. I'll speak for myself. He understands protections. He knows what to do. So I think there's a value in that. So do I think it's, you know, do I wish they could have got him on a two year, $15 million deal? Yeah. But you know what? At the end of the day, he fits with where you're at. I still think that this team is going to need to draft the guy. Now. I don't think it's anywhere in those early rounds, but I think. I think there still needs to be. To be, you know, look off the edge of the hood and see where you're going to go from. From him and then find out, quite frankly, and challenge Blue to find out if, you know, does he. Does he really value playing football? And I think that's. I think that's where they're at, and I think they got to figure all that out. But I think it's. I think it's a good signing. I think it's. It's somebody that fits here, fits with where Dak is, where the offensive football team is.
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Marcus Mosher
Jeff, I got into a little bit of trouble this weekend when I expressed some of my concerns about the deal. And honestly, it didn't have a lot to do with Juvente Williams, because I do. I think he's worth around that much money, and I think the Cowboys valued not having another hole that they've got to go out and fill. But this is something that coaches talked about. When you're paying a quarterback $60 million and he's. He played to that level last year. This is not anything, you know, with Dak, you've got to be very careful about how you spend the rest of your money. Every you make is going to be under the microscope. Like, if you're a team like Seattle, your quarterback, 33 million, you have a lot more wiggle room when it comes to making. I just wonder with this offense already being the most expensive in the NFL and now you've got a another receiver in George Pickens who's set to make at least 28 million this year, is it really wise to continue to invest this much money into offense? And again, that is not a shot at Javante Williams. It's more of a big picture team building thing. I don't know. I think the Cowboys value the safety of knowing what Javonte Williams is. They've got to hit on their picks and free agent signings on defense if they have any chance or if they want to have any chance of being successful.
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Jeff Biggs
I agree with you. You know, I was thinking about it though, on the other side of the coin. I mean, you look at what Saquon Barkley and Christian McCaffrey make and I know he's not at that level, but almost double, if not more than what, what Javante is going to make. Yeah, they could have gone a different route, but I like the fact that he's, he's familiar with the system, had a great year and as you pointed out, Aisha is still only 25. It's not like he's 29 or 30. So hopefully it will be a win. Win. But to your point, Marcus, everybody's now saying, okay, this is going to impact the Pickins situation. Are we there yet?
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Aisha Morrison
I mean, yeah, I think it is going to, I think at the end of the day it is going to impact how they, you know, how they dictate where the money goes and everything. We heard Stephen talk today and mention, you know, they're going to franchise Tag Pickens and I think that that's because they're obviously Marcus, you've talked about are going to be trying to work the numbers. I'm. I see what you're saying, Marcus. I'm a bit on the fence about it because I think that like you talked about, you know, Dallas doesn't want to have to fill another hole. Furthermore, Dallas is trying to help this defense and half of the half of helping this defense is to establish this run game and to keep this run game kind on par. We already don't know what's happening with the offensive line from the tackle position and things like that. I feel like Dallas was just trying to do something that it's safe. I think you would describe it as safe, Marcus. Maybe that's how you would describe it. It's a safe thing to do. But I think it's more so has to do with like I think they were okay with paying it with not having the offense, like with the defense having to come such a long way to have the offense already still kind of together will be a good start.
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Marcus Mosher
I, I think my only issue is that they've had really good success the last couple years. Signing guys to one year prove it deals I'm or having a guy like R Doll who was fantastic in 2024 and then in 2025 you sign a Javante Williams for one year, three and a half million, they've shown that they can do this over and over again. Why not just sign two of those guys? Maybe you sign an Isaiah Pacheco who is in a similar situation that Javante was in last year and another running back. Maybe you're better off that way. I think for Dallas they felt like yeah, we maybe could do that again, but we're willing to pay another 3,4 million dollars a year to not have to worry about that position so much.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
You think either one of those guys can pass protect like Javante?
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Marcus Mosher
No, I mean I, I, I don't but I do wonder if okay, well
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
wait a minute now. You talking about a $60 million quarterback and neither one of those guys can protect worth a damn and you're talking about a $60 million quarterback. Now the first time, the first time one of them cheap guys cuts one of these linebackers loose on your quarterback, then what are you going to get on here and say?
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Marcus Mosher
I don't know, I'd probably let you say it before I said it. I mean you're not wrong, right? It that's one of the things I think they really value. And then Javante Williams is his ability to pass protect. Now there are other flaws in his game where I think, you know, I thought he wore down in the second half of the year. He doesn't create a lot of big explosive runs, but they feel like it's the worth a worthwhile trade off because he doesn't get your quarterback killed.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Hang on here a minute though. If you're gonna again, to me, you got to look at this from the bigger picture. If you're gonna pay Pickens, you've already paid CD you're already paid your tight end. Do you want a guy that maybe gets you four or five explosive runs or do you want a guy that you absolutely have 100% confidence in? He's going to scan the two backside backers if they turn the protection strong.
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Marcus Mosher
I you're asking the wrong.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Remember, don't catch Lockjaw because then if
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Marcus Mosher
he gets killed, you're not going to like the answer. I would like.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Now you got another.
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Aisha Morrison
He wants the explosive guys.
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Marcus Mosher
I want the explosive plays, right? Like, I could put Hunter Lipke in the game to pass block. I can put another tight end in the game if I want to pass.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
You look at, you look at too much film to say that, I hope.
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Marcus Mosher
Well, I mean I can, I can grab a running back like that. Whether it's Brian Robinson or Naji Harris or whoever, Kareem Hunt, Nick Chubb. I can find running backs that have veteran minimum contract to come in and pass block. But it's really hard to find the guys.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I don't think to the level that
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Marcus Mosher
he does it fair, right? But what it's hard is it's to find the guys that can take a 14 yard run and turn it into a 75 yard rod. Now, I don't, I, I don't know if, I don't know if there's anybody in this class or the running back free agents that could do that. If Breece hall was available, maybe that's the case.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
But I mean, that's not what they're doing with this offense. They're. They're telling you they're gonna, I mean, they're telling you they're playing. If both, both these receivers are healthy, they're playing on push the ball down the field. And if, you know, if you're gonna run five and seven strap drops, you better be able to protect.
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Aisha Morrison
I mean, I'm not opposed to, I mean, I, I definitely think that Dallas does need some explosiveness at the running back position. Not necessarily from Javante. I just don't think that's the type of runner he is. I mean, Dallas, when you look at Clayton Adams and what he did in Arizona, you saw them attack the outside zone a lot. You saw them do some screen game stuff. I think that Dallas didn't get to do some of that stuff last year or they didn't do it as well as I would have liked to seen it be done because that's not Javante's game. When you talk about him wearing down towards the end of the year, I mean, f. Yeah, he was the only running back out there for half of the year, most of the year. And then we talk about the pass protection, I think the next conversation is, you know, to your point, Marcus, if, if they don't, if he's not an explosive guy, that is what they should be seeking or trying to figure out what they have in blue to make two. I think that's the, the, the key to unlocking the run game and the run game being a little bit more effective is having somebody that is a little bit more explosive because, yeah, Javante is going to get you those dirty yards. He is a, every down back, but as far as capturing the edge and things like that, like, no, that's not his game. He's not going to make a lot of guys miss an open space. He's going to run through your face. So if Dallas wants to do that, that's what my focus would be, just to unlock the run game a little bit more and make it more explosive. But you're not going to get that from Javante Williams. It's just not his game.
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Jeff Biggs
I think you, you hit on it right there, Aisha. I mean, I think what we saw the second half of last season, that, that can't happen. I mean, he, he, Javante needs to be fresh and at his best and they need to find if it's going to be blue, what, what their plan is that they need to be able to have somebody that they count on that can come in and keep the offense positive and, and not have a, a big gap. So I don't know if that's going to be Jaden Blue or not. I don't know if they're going to bring maybe somebody else in the camp to push him, but clearly they need to have a, a legit number two back, I think, for the season, no matter what.
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Marcus Mosher
Where do you get it, though? I think that's what they're trying to figure out. Do you pay for it, free agency, do you draft it? Or do you hope and pray that Jaden Blue is that guy? I've got my doubts. I also have my doubts about this draft class, which means that you're going back to the free agent pool and spending even more money on offense, which is an issue when you've got this many holes on defense.
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Jeff Biggs
Yeah, I don't know what. Yeah, we'll find out, I guess, soon enough.
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Marcus Mosher
Sorry to bother you, coach. I didn't, I didn't mean to.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Well, then don't. Then. Stop bothering me.
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Jeff Biggs
But I, I think that's, I think that's, that's a legit, kind of underrated, under the radar question is, you know, can Jaden Blue take that step? Because by year two, I mean, you should be able to, to contribute and you have to be, you know, either, you know, not, not on the active roster or you know, just sitting on the sidelines, you should be able to to step in, especially with the same offense and hopefully be a plus.
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Marcus Mosher
My guess is they bring in another veteran running back, whether it is Pacheco or maybe it's someone like Kenny Gainwell who had a really good year in Pittsburgh. I, I'm, I'm going to predict that they're going to sign at least one more running back because they cannot go into the year with Jaden Blue and Phil Mafa being the primary backups.
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Jeff Biggs
All right, we'll leave it there. We'll leave it there for now. We got the big news though. Javante Williams is going to stay. What about George Pickens and where do things stand with him? We'll get into that when we come back. This is the Cowboys squad show. Got to talk to you though, because it is almost tax time, right? Tax season doesn't have to take over your life though, because this year TurboTax is making it easier than ever to just hand things off and move on with your day. With TurboTax Full Service, you can have your taxes done for you by a trusted local expert, start to finish, without any stress or guesswork. Now here's a cool thing. Number one, like instead of spending hours trying to figure out the forms, you you can meet with a local TurboTax expert in person or you can even do it online. And they handle everything from W2s to self employed forms and they really work to get you every deduction that's really important. And you can also upload your documents, go about your day, get updates right in the TurboTax app. It's a huge time saver and gives you real peace of mind knowing that an expert is handling it. So for a limited time you can have your taxes done by a local TurboTax expert for just 150 all in. If a TurboTax expert didn't file for you last year, you just have to file by the end of this week, February 28th. Take taxes off your plate. Get back to your life. Visit turbotax.com local to book your appointment today.
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Jeff Biggs
All right, great to be back with you Cowboy Squad Show. We know that Javante is here to stay. Now the spotlight is back on George Pickens. You mentioned it earlier, Aisha, that Steve and Jones saying that the plan is to tag Pickens within the week. But they want, they want him, they want to bring him back. They want to sign him long term. He's set. The Cowboys are set to talk with Pickens agents at some point for the first time this week in Indy. I don't know. What do you guys. What is your gut telling you? What do you, what do you think could or could not happen this week and what would you like to see?
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Marcus Mosher
Aisha, why don't you go first? Because I've got my thoughts, but I want to play off yours.
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Aisha Morrison
See happen what we're picking.
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Marcus Mosher
What do you think happens here?
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Aisha Morrison
I mean, I, I guess. I mean, I. Dallas. Okay, okay, okay, before I answer, Dallas gets a rep for franchise tagging. People, huh? Like, I feel like a lot of people think that Dallas uses the franchise tag a lot and they don't. Like, am I tripping? Like, I don't. I feel like.
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Marcus Mosher
Well, they use it. They use it twice on Dak Prescott. Correct. They used it once on Dalton Schultz, Tony Pollard, DeMarcus Lawrence. Got it one year. I believe as well, there are teams that haven't like ever used it. So they do use it more than average.
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Aisha Morrison
Okay.
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Marcus Mosher
It's not every year.
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Aisha Morrison
Okay. Because I feel like people think that Dallas uses it as like a screw you like, and I think that they have in some capacity, but I just, I feel like there's such a negative thing attached to the franchise tag. But it can be beneficial if it's done correctly. I hope that that's what Dallas doing. Doing is doing here. That's all I can say is that I think that they're trying to give themselves some time, alleviate things. You know, obviously they don't want Pickens to hit the market and be available to other teams, but I, I hope that they're able to work out a deal before the season starts or like when the season or through the season as he's on the franchise tag. But that's what I hope is happening. That's what I think is going to happen. That's what I hope is going to happen. You seem a little bit, a little bit worried. What about you, Stretch? What about you, Mark?
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Marcus Mosher
Go ahead, Stretch. What do you think?
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I mean, Hope is not a plan. I mean, do I, do I think that they could get a longer term deal with him? I don't know that. If I had to bet my last hundred Dollars, I can tell you that Jerry is still soured on dealing with his agent. And so now does Stephen jump in and deal with that or is that something that they decide to do? Maybe collectively? I don't know. But watching Stephen's posture today in Indy just, it felt like almost like, hey, we're, we're gonna put the first, we're gonna put the first crumpet out here and we're gonna say we're gonna tag him this week. So I think that's the first, you know, that that's the first small step towards, you know, maybe trying to get something done or starting to get some conversations going.
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Aisha Morrison
Yeah, it sounds like they haven't really talked. From my knowledge, there hasn't been a lot of talk.
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Jeff Biggs
You're right.
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Aisha Morrison
So the franchise tag is, Is to your point, Them talk, starting to, to talk.
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Marcus Mosher
Here's my feel on this. This is what this is. With no inside information. This is just the way I, my. I, I think this is going to go. I think they're waiting for David Mulaguetta, George Pickens's agent, to come make them an offer. I don't think they're going to go to the table say, hey, this is what we want to pay you. They, this is our offer. I think they're good just letting this thing play out. I think Pickens is a player that they want to continue to date. I'm not sure they're ready to marry him yet. Right. I think, I think they're good having him play another year in the franchise tag. And if he balls out and he's awesome and he's on his best behavior, maybe they revisit a franchise or a long term deal next off season. Now, is that what I would personally do? It doesn't really matter. I think, I think they are totally comfortable letting him play in the franchise tag. And if that means him not being part of off season workouts, I think they're fine with that as well. But I think they want to see what another year looks like before committing $35 million a year to him.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
So is that not basically the same posture they took with Todd France, who's in that office too, and, and Deck. Correct.
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Marcus Mosher
And I think they, they use Dax loyalty against him and thought, you know, the idea that they thought Dak was going to show up to everything, he was going to work his tail off and he was going to go into the season and have a great year. And he did before he got hurt. Right. Like he was, he was at everything. We'll See, that's the case with George Pickens, but I think. I think the Cowboys know that Pickens was not somebody that a lot of the league wanted last year. And if he goes out and he has a bad year and he's not in shape and he's not ready to play and he's not on his best behavior, he's not going to earn a big contract next year. I think they're okay dangling that carrot in front of him, saying, hey, go have another big year, and then we'll talk.
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Jeff Biggs
I like your.
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Aisha Morrison
That worries me. I don't like that. Sorry, go ahead.
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Jeff Biggs
No, I. I just. I like the optimism, but I just. I'm just, like, on the other end of the spectrum. I. I won't go into it. I. I just don't think that they can. They can get a deal done, because I think. I think his agent is going to see the market as closer to 40 million a year, as opposed to 28 or 35. And I just don't know if they can find a way to put that. That round. That round number in a square hole or vice versa.
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Aisha Morrison
But also, too. I mean, the stance with the agent that's about to piss me off. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but, like, this is the. This is the business. He's not the only freaking agent that gets on people's nerves. He's not the only agent that, like, these. All of these players. A lot of these players have agents. A lot of these top players have agents. The Cowboys have been dealing with agents for years. What is this? Like, oh, we're. We're waiting for them to call, or we're waiting for him to call, whatever the case may be. Like, my God, I understand the Pickens, you know, trying to see him earn things and. And see another year of him and everything. But, like, it's a fine line. Like, it's a fine line of, we appreciate you being here, we want you on your team, but, like, one foot is out the door. Like, we have one foot in and one foot out. Like, that's a rough way to be trying to operate and continue to think that that's going to build, you know, chemistry and continuity as a team. I just don't think. Like, I know that this is a business, and I know that there's a lot of back and forth and stuff that I don't know about, but just the stance of, like, okay, we're gonna wait for the. The agent to call us is because it's David Mulaguetta. And all that stuff like, this ain't gonna be the first time you deal with him. He probably is gonna have another star player. So we're just gonna keep playing these games every time.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
The whole thing's a game.
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Marcus Mosher
Yeah, I mean, I used to.
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Aisha Morrison
It's a game, but, like, at one point in time, doesn't become about the team building.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
So what do you want? You want. You want Jerry to reach out to him?
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Aisha Morrison
No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, you're gonna have to deal with agents. Like, that is a part of this game. This is a. It's a. You just said it's part of the game. So, like, this back and forth and stuff like that. I just. It's not. I mean, I know that it happens. It happens every year. We go through it every year. I just don't think it's conducive to team building.
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Marcus Mosher
Aisha, do you know who the other player that was franchise tagged today? Did you see it?
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Aisha Morrison
Who was it? Who was it? Oh, I did see Kyle Pitts. I was surprised by that. I'm like, okay, Atlanta, y'. All. Y' all trying to figure some things out, I guess, because I thought they were gonna let him go after who his agent is.
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Marcus Mosher
David Mul. Again, it's the same.
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Aisha Morrison
Okay, so is he, like. Is he, like the joker of.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Of.
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Aisha Morrison
Of. Of. Of.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Of.
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Marcus Mosher
Well, I think there are. There are some teams.
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Aisha Morrison
Just kidding.
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Marcus Mosher
There's some teams that really struggle with David Mulligetta as an agent. The Cincinnati Bengals were one a couple years ago in the T. Higgins contract. Eventually, T. Higgins fired David Mulgetta, and they got a deal done, like, two weeks later. It's not to say David Mulligan is a bad agent, but there are teams out there that really struggled to get some deals done. And I think there are other guys out there who have been leaked in trade rumors, like a C.J. stroud, who, again, David Mulligan candidate or a client. I don't think this is the easiest agent to work with.
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Aisha Morrison
Okay, he has a rep.
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Marcus Mosher
Yes, he is a rep. He's got a rep of getting his guys paid a lot of money, but there's also a rep of maybe not doing everything by the book like some of these other agents have done before.
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Aisha Morrison
Thank you for that information. Because I've been trying to figure out, like, I'm looking at it, and I'm like, why does this seem like. Why does everyone have so much angst about working with this agent and all this stuff? And that was so, yeah, so.
- [28:53]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
So. So Ian Cunningham wanted to, wanted a long term. That's the GM Atlanta wanted a long term deal with, with Kyle Pitts. And then the agent started jockeying, saying, oh, he's, he's not really. Not a tight end.
- [29:08]
Marcus Mosher
He's a receiver.
- [29:09]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
From the line of scrimmage. They played in this percentage of the stats out here. They played him out here in the red zone. They played him out here. You know what they said? Go f yourself. He's a tight end. And we'll franchise him. We're not paying him $30 million. We're going to pay him in the $16 million range. So, I mean, that's just part of what I think everybody's doing. Nobody, nobody says that guys shouldn't have a certain agent that he feels comfortable with representing him or looking after him or looking after his, any of his off the field dealings. But I think that much in the same way that guys don't want to deal with the guy in baseball. Help me with the guy's name.
- [29:57]
Marcus Mosher
Scott Boris. I got you.
- [29:59]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Yeah, Scott Boris. People don't want to deal with him. So I mean, that's, that, that's kind of where it. In my mind, that's where it's coming from. And a lot. On a lot of different angles. And then.
- [30:11]
Marcus Mosher
And every client's different.
- [30:13]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
You go back to Jerry Jones, who's thought he had a deal with Micah Nader, did or whatever the scenario was. And then he was, you know, coached. You know, coached into where he was. And then, hey, by the way, once you lay on that table over there,
- [30:31]
Marcus Mosher
Jerry comes from the oil field business, which is a lot of I'm gonna shake your hand, I'm looking in the eye and that's a deal. Right. And I, that's not necessarily the way that agents work.
- [30:43]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
He'll tell you that. He knows that. He'll tell you that.
- [30:45]
Marcus Mosher
Right? And he knows that something. And that's. And that's okay. It's the way agents, their job is to get the most money for their client possible. I think Jerry Jones, they've had some hard feelings. Do I think this is going to be a harder deal to get done? Yeah. But again, I also don't think the Cowboys are opposed to letting him play out on the franchise tag for obvious reasons. And that's. But I think if you're David Molaguetta, I think there is some urgency to get a deal done now because you know that this is a player that does not have the same market like a Micah Parsons had a year ago. That's it's not a player that 31 of the 32 other teams are going to want. That's why I, I won't be surprised if we ultimately do get some news here because I do think it makes sense for both parties to get a deal done.
- [31:32]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
This guy was a year ago, was available all 32 teams for a third
- [31:36]
Marcus Mosher
round pick and nobody wanted him before the draft. Nobody.
- [31:39]
Aisha Morrison
Now I get that. But like, so, so what happens if he does everything that y' all are talking about? Like, what happens if he shows up on time's on time for meetings on the plane where he's supposed to be, has a great year, does all the stuff? All the stuff. Then what is like, okay, well we're
- [31:57]
Marcus Mosher
still not sure into Pickens is credit if that happens. Let's say he has a 1200 yard season and 10 touchdowns. We're not talking about him suddenly getting 33, 34 million a year. Probably talking about him getting 41 or 42 million dollars a year and being the league's highest paid receiver because he would only be 25 coming off back to back like all pro caliber seasons. It's why again, this is going to be a really tricky negotiation because I could see, I could see the argument for Pickens being like, hey, I'm playing with Dak Prescott. I'm making $28 million guaranteed. Let me show you again why I'm the best receiver in football.
- [32:33]
Aisha Morrison
And, and then if that happens, then Dallas is going to have to pay more and they're gonna have to, they're gonna have to pay at that point anytime. So it, I feel like it's a risk. It, it's a risk, but obviously we'll see what the reward is. But I think it is a risk.
- [32:50]
Jeff Biggs
Yeah, I could be wrong, but I think this first meeting, if you will, between the two sides, I think we'll learn a lot pretty quickly about which way this is headed. You know, we'll see.
- [33:02]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
What I would give to be there is a first meeting.
- [33:05]
Jeff Biggs
Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah. There will be air conditioned.
- [33:10]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
They air conditioned the desert for guys that make those kind of predictions.
- [33:14]
Aisha Morrison
Please, please, please, please. Air conditioning, I get it.
- [33:18]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I, I don't know that. I mean, if you looked at Steven's posture today was, you know what? We have the hammer here and we're, we're saying where we're at, that's where we are. So I mean, and he was asked, I don't know, I think it was Calvin or somebody was asking him a Question, do you still have the money to, you know, then go shop? And he said, absolutely, we do. So I, you know, I, I don't, I'm not sure I, I would hope from the Cowboys standpoint and from a long range, I mean, I agree. I think that, I think if, if, if he performs again, I mean, let's say you could sign him to a three or hundred million dollar deal this year. I mean, that might be, that might be a good situation to be in. But I, from what I, from the posture that I saw today from Stephen Jones doesn't lead me to believe that they're in any hurry anytime soon to do anything except say, hey, we're going to tag him.
- [34:21]
Jeff Biggs
Okay, well, we'll see. That's what makes the week so fun. And you're right. I mean, they may not, they may not talk at all. But I think, I think it would be, you know, hopefully, as Aisha said, hopefully it can be a win, win for everybody and they can find a way to work out a deal and, and continue the building and fill up the other holes and still have enough money to go around. All right, when we come back, let's talk about the defense for a little bit. Speaking of money and signings and cuts, we'll do that when we return. Great to be with you on this Monday night. This is the Cowboys squad show more.
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- [37:25]
Marcus Mosher
First of all, thanks for being back, coach. I was a little worried that we're going to make it here for segment three, but you're good.
- [37:30]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Don't worry about, I'm going to tell you, don't worry about me. Worry about the enemy. There you go.
- [37:36]
Marcus Mosher
If you're in my meeting room and you're late, I'd find you. But that's okay. I'm not going to find you.
- [37:39]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
That's fine. I got, I got a lot of hundred dollar bills, bro. There you go. A lot of them.
- [37:46]
Marcus Mosher
Do I think there's going to be more cuts? Yeah, probably. I, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some more guys maybe on the edges, you know, released. I, I think the big one that they got to figure out is this Kenny Clark contract. He's got no guaranteed money left on his deal. He's set to make 22 million this year, which is, it's, frankly, it's just too much money for the level of play that he, he's shown over the last couple years. So you either have to restructure his contract, give him a new contract or cut him. And I don't think they're going to cut him, but you really need to get that base number down because it's sitting at 22 million. It's just far too high. That's the player that I'm most interested in seeing what happens between now and the start of free agency.
- [38:30]
Aisha Morrison
Yeah, I'm really interested to see what happens with the edge room. As you mentioned, Marcus, I think that's going to tell us a lot about, you know, we know that they're kind of switching what they want to do defensively, how's that going to impact, I wonder. But I also wonder, like, what they know, what they know guys can do as of right now, like, who is going to fit in this scheme as of right now without kind of seeing it? I guess you would just have to go look at tape and decide.
- [38:59]
Marcus Mosher
Well, Stephen Jones mentioned that today. He, they. They asked him about Jadavian Clowney and he said, well, we're still evaluating it. To me, that sounds like maybe they don't think he's a great fit in this.
- [39:11]
Aisha Morrison
Yeah. Yeah. And I think. I think that's going to be the case with, with some of these guys is like maybe they just don't fit what Dallas wants to do. What do you. What do you guys think happens with, like, a Sam Williams, with a Dante Fowler, who they had high hopes for? You know, those guys as well, you know, so it just feels like we could look up in this edge room, could look a lot different than what we, you know, initially thought might be kind of empty at some point in time if they're starting from scratch in that regard.
- [39:41]
Marcus Mosher
I would be shocked if Sam Williams is back next year.
- [39:44]
Aisha Morrison
Me too.
- [39:45]
Marcus Mosher
Shock.
- [39:46]
Aisha Morrison
Me too.
- [39:46]
Marcus Mosher
Now, Fowler's interesting because I actually thought Fowler played better than maybe what most people anticipate. And I, I don't think he's a bad fit in this defense, but they also need to get a lot younger. And I don't think bringing back Clowney and Fowler is necessarily the way to go. I think you maybe bring back one of those guys. But if they don't think Clowny's a fit, then maybe it would be someone like Fowler.
- [40:10]
Aisha Morrison
What about the safety room, gentlemen? We expecting any cuts from that room?
- [40:17]
Marcus Mosher
Well, there's only so many guys in that safety room right now. Malik Hooker's on the last year of his contract agent, by the way. David Mulgetta, you have Donovan Wilson, who is a free agent. You've got Marquis Bell, who the Cowboys signed to a new deal last year. You've got Wand Thomas, who I think you need to figure out what's going on with him after he was put on the injured reserve list last year with migraines. I think that's a position that's going to need to be figured out. And honestly, it's probably one they're going to attack in free agency. I know the guy that we've all mentioned is Reed Blankenship. Aisha, you want to guess who his agent is?
- [40:53]
Aisha Morrison
Does this man have all the infinity stones?
- [40:55]
Marcus Mosher
Yes.
- [40:56]
Aisha Morrison
Is this Banos Yeah.
- [40:58]
Marcus Mosher
So that's why I wouldn't be surprised if we do get some David Mulligetta.
- [41:01]
Aisha Morrison
And literally, like, this week, I am inevitable.
- [41:06]
Jeff Biggs
Yes.
- [41:06]
Marcus Mosher
That's basically what it is.
- [41:07]
Aisha Morrison
Oh, my God. He's everywhere.
- [41:09]
Marcus Mosher
Yes.
- [41:10]
Jeff Biggs
But he's working for. Absolutely. But I mean, again, I, I get this kind of, you know, it's. It's combine week, and it's kind of mellow, but at the same time. Right. I mean, free agency is going to be here before we know it. And like you said, I think it was you, Marcus, and you got to be ready to go.
- [41:27]
Marcus Mosher
I mean.
- [41:27]
Jeff Biggs
Right?
- [41:28]
Marcus Mosher
Yeah, I think so. What the. The combine ends on Sunday. That's March 1st. And free agency is like a week later. Like, it's. It is a quick, quick turnaround. Can. Can we tell a little secret on this podcast, Jeff?
- [41:42]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Yeah.
- [41:43]
Marcus Mosher
Free agency really starts at the combine.
- [41:45]
Aisha Morrison
Yeah.
- [41:46]
Marcus Mosher
I mean, these teams and these agents and the GMS are all there.
- [41:50]
Jeff Biggs
Yeah.
- [41:50]
Marcus Mosher
The official start is in March, and we always talk about how there's a legal tampering, which is an oxymoron. The free agency actually starts this week. You're gonna have teams talking to each other or talking to the agents. I think a lot of these guys kind of know where they're going to end up by the time we get out of this week.
- [42:09]
Aisha Morrison
Heck, yeah. We're going to start hearing a lot of rumblings and stuff from the people who are boots on the ground. We got a lot of people. Cowboys wise. We got a lot of good people. Boots on the ground. That's probably going to be pushing us information this week, letting us know kind of what the tea leaves are saying. I, I. As somebody that's gone to the combine, I don't know if you've gone, Marcus. I'm sure you've gone stretches like when you did that life. You keep your ears low to the ground, you're gonna start hearing some stuff.
- [42:35]
Jeff Biggs
I like that.
- [42:36]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
We.
- [42:37]
Jeff Biggs
We need more stuff. Right. We need to hear more stuff. But, But I think, too, right. I mean, you. You gotta have. You gotta. And I'm sure they do, obviously, but know how much you can spend, who you want to go after. What do you do if the. If that guy signs with somebody else? I mean, there's a lot. This is a. Going to be, you know, one of the bigger off seasons, I think, in recent memory. Right. Because they need to shore up this defense and put themselves in a position to have a contending team.
- [43:06]
Aisha Morrison
Yeah.
- [43:06]
Marcus Mosher
Stretch. Any thoughts?
- [43:08]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I mean, you know, we. We can sit Here and cut this up a lot of different ways. My initial thought is, at the end of the day, I don't know how much value the new defensive coordinator places on Clark, how much value he would place on Williams, on Fowler. I mean, I, you know, you just don't know. So I think there's, I think you'll see pretty quick or you'll, you'll, you'll start to get a feel for the direction that they're going.
- [43:44]
Aisha Morrison
Yeah.
- [43:44]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Out of maybe, you know, one of these other one or two possible cap casualties that they would have. So, you know, I, I think otherwise what you're doing right now is, is pure speculation, which obviously that's what we're on here to do, that's what we're paid to do, is to speculate what may happen. I have no idea what value that this defensive staff puts on any of these guys. And so we just know what they're going to do. We just know what they're going to do in a regular down and distance situation, which is going to play three down and two overhang players. And to me, if they do that, that, that, that values Kenny Clark. But, you know, if, if the money doesn't make sense and I mean, at some point you're going to have to start spending some money on defense. So. And his kicker. But. Well, you know, I, I think, I think we'll see coming out of this combine. I think, you know, by next Monday show, I, I think you'll, you know, you'll feel the tide and start feeling the tide in the direction that it's going.
- [44:56]
Aisha Morrison
Marcus, why you make that face when he said the kicker? What, what's wrong?
- [44:59]
Marcus Mosher
Because I have, I kind of have a hot take when it comes to the kicker here.
- [45:02]
Jeff Biggs
I was gonna get that, but go ahead. Yeah, he's.
- [45:05]
Marcus Mosher
Brandon Aubrey is awesome. He's unbelievable. He's a great player. I don't know that I would give him a big contract extension. And the reason is I think he's too good. And I know that sounds wild, but he ends up making Brian Schottenheimer be too conservative and settling for more field goals. And I know coach likes settling for field goals rather than gambling to score.
- [45:27]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Don't. Don't speak for me. I don't like gambling on a credit card.
- [45:31]
Marcus Mosher
I like, I like it when teams are aggressive and he's almost too good.
- [45:36]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Because you ain't never had your ass fired.
- [45:38]
Marcus Mosher
I'm not from coaching, but other things.
- [45:40]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Oh, yeah, that's what I mean. Get your ass fired and see how aggressive you like to be? I mean get run out of the building, get somebody packs your boxes up, say hey you know what, give me your key and, and scrubs your thumbprint from the building and, and gives you a good swift kick in the ass. Let me know how it is.
- [45:57]
Marcus Mosher
I mean I imagine it's not great, but do I really want to spend 7 to 8 million dollars a year on the kicker when that could be a starting linebacker or a starting slot corner? I don't know. I, I think kicker is a position that's obviously very important but the Cowboys, I just made it up. How's that? I, I, I just, I, I wonder, I wonder and I've seen this with other teams. I'll use Pittsburgh as an example with Chris Boswell. They've relied on him too much to be so accurate that their play calling gets conservative like once they get across the 30 yard line. I've seen teams before lose their kickers in the game and it actually has helped them be more aggressive when it comes to fourth down decision making. Again, it's not anything that, it's not a slighted Aubry at all. But I would be careful about over overpaying kickers.
- [46:49]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I think they ought to put you on the competition committee. Just get rid of kicking the football all, all together. Just go for it every fourth down.
- [46:56]
Marcus Mosher
Hey, it's an idea. I like it.
- [46:59]
Aisha Morrison
Here's the thing about Aubry too. I mean I, I agree with you in some of the conservative type stuff with, with shoddy sometimes, but also too, hey, can we get, can we get some good starting field positions so maybe we don't feel like we have to kick at the 50. Can we, can we, can we not start at the damn 10 every time we touch the ball? Sure. I mean Dallas's starting field position this past year was like at the bottom tier of the league for some, for certain parts of the season. I know that the return game, you know, it's a collective thing, is not just because of the returner but the starting field position for this, this offense was poor all year and I think that that played a huge role into why they were operating on those fields and having to, you know, Aubrey having to kick a 50 yarder all the time and stuff like that. How about we try to, you know,
- [47:48]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
they had their opportunity to do that. They could have brought Fossil back here.
- [47:52]
Marcus Mosher
No, I don't, I don't know if he wanted to be back here.
- [47:54]
Aisha Morrison
Do they still have the chance to.
- [47:56]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
No, no, he signed back. But you, you did at One time he had.
- [48:00]
Aisha Morrison
Oh yeah, he signed back with Tennessee, didn't he?
- [48:02]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Yeah.
- [48:02]
Marcus Mosher
Aisha, Brandon Aubrey is a restricted free agent, which means the Cowboys are gonna have to put a tender on him, which is probably going to be the second round tender. If a team offered you a second round pick for Brandon Aubrey, would you take it?
- [48:15]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Huh?
- [48:15]
Aisha Morrison
I mean, Dallas really needs one, but
- [48:17]
Marcus Mosher
that's stretch with you.
- [48:19]
Aisha Morrison
I would say no because you're gonna be Brandon Aubrey.
- [48:22]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Yeah, hell yeah.
- [48:24]
Marcus Mosher
That's what I'm saying. So let's, you guys like just.
- [48:26]
Aisha Morrison
Okay, so this is the replacement kicker who, who, who's gonna replace him?
- [48:30]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Then I go, I go to Notre Dame, find me another one on camera.
- [48:34]
Aisha Morrison
I feel like we're gonna be back when we started.
- [48:36]
Marcus Mosher
Yeah, it's fine. You can find kickers.
- [48:38]
Aisha Morrison
So you're okay with starting over a kicker again?
- [48:40]
Marcus Mosher
Sure, if I means I get a
- [48:41]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
second round pick for. A second round pick for a team that doesn't have one.
- [48:45]
Marcus Mosher
I'm just saying.
- [48:46]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Hell yes, I would.
- [48:48]
Marcus Mosher
I would in a heartbeat.
- [48:50]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I don't, I don't think, I don't think you get that. But that's.
- [48:53]
Marcus Mosher
No, probably not. But that's the, that's the tender, right? It's. It's going to be a second round tender. We've seen kickers get drafted.
- [48:59]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Again, you're not gonna get that. But if, if you're asking me would
- [49:03]
Marcus Mosher
I. Yeah, if the Rams. Yeah, the Rams, who have an issue at kicker and I think they've got a late second round pick, you know, like 60th overall. They offer you a second round pick for Aubrey? I do.
- [49:15]
Aisha Morrison
We don't have an issue with kicker. Why would we make an issue with kicker?
- [49:18]
Marcus Mosher
They're not that valuable.
- [49:21]
Aisha Morrison
What? How can we say they're not that valuable? We watch the playoffs like we watch, we watch when it gets cold. What are we talking about, valuable?
- [49:30]
Marcus Mosher
Well, they're easy to find.
- [49:33]
Jeff Biggs
I, I think, to me, I, I think Aubrey is special. I think he's a legit weapon and I think a guy, guy that you want to have on your team that, you know, I don't, I don't think you should go conservative like you said. Like, I agree with you on that part, but I still, I would rather have him on my team than not.
- [49:49]
Marcus Mosher
Yeah, I mean, all things consider. I'd rather have him, yes. But I.
- [49:51]
Aisha Morrison
Do you think that the offense can operate well, you know, despite if he, even if he's not here, you think the offense will be fine?
- [50:01]
Marcus Mosher
I mean, I think so. It might make them a little bit bolder, which I wouldn't mind that at all. Give Dak Prescott the ball more often. I'm, I'm completely fine with that.
- [50:10]
Aisha Morrison
Okay. Okay. Okay. Now you interested me a little bit with the second round tender. If that were to ever was. If that was a possibility, maybe. But if it's going to be a third, goodbye.
- [50:20]
Marcus Mosher
It wasn't that long ago a kicker got drafted in the first round. Is that hard to believe?
- [50:23]
Aisha Morrison
I think it, and I will say in regard to kicker, I do think, I mean, I know it kind of goes underrated and stuff, but we, I do think we're seeing, I mean, this past year, when you looked at all these games, right, how many times did you see kickers cooking 50 yards plus and things like that? That's a norm now. That's not like.
- [50:42]
Marcus Mosher
Where did Jenikowski go to school?
- [50:44]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Who?
- [50:45]
Marcus Mosher
Sebastian Janikowski for the Raiders. Where did he go to school?
- [50:48]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Florida State.
- [50:49]
Marcus Mosher
There you go. You got it.
- [50:51]
Jeff Biggs
That's right.
- [50:51]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
What I went. Did I win something?
- [50:53]
Marcus Mosher
You won 100 bucks. I got you from the fine that you owe me. I got you.
- [51:00]
Aisha Morrison
Yalls friendship be killing me. Killing me. Y', all. Y' all funny together.
- [51:07]
Jeff Biggs
So one final thing before our final break. So with, with all that said, Marcus, I know you and Landon have been doing a lot of. You started the draft preview shows. Has anybody stood out to you or has anybody become maybe more of a fit on your wish list as you put these shows together?
- [51:28]
Marcus Mosher
Yeah, a guy called Dylan Thieman from Oregon who had picked 20. He's a slot corner, he's a free safety, he's a box safety. Actually going to talk about him on Tuesday's show. Yeah, you know, in his fit with the defense, we're going to compare him to other. Some of the other safeties in the class, so be on the lookout for that.
- [51:48]
Jeff Biggs
And do you put anything into Stephen Jones saying he was asked about whether or not they would be willing to trade one of the first round picks they have? When he said we're open minded. Is that just a, you think just a pat answer?
- [52:03]
Marcus Mosher
My belief generally is, Jeff, if Jerry or Steven Jones is moving their mouth, they're lying. So.
- [52:09]
Jeff Biggs
Ouch.
- [52:12]
Marcus Mosher
I don't, I don't think, I honestly don't think they're going to trade these picks because I think they need, they need these two defensive guys on rookie contracts. So. Because if they're spending so much money on offense right now, I don't see them trading them for a high priced veteran.
- [52:28]
Jeff Biggs
Okay. All right.
- [52:30]
Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
And so you're saying if there's, if there's 15 or 16 true first round grades and somebody calls and offers them a two and a late one to get to, to move up into that 20th pick, you don't think they do that?
- [52:47]
Marcus Mosher
No, I, I do. I don't think they're going to trade that pick for a veteran, but I do think they'd be interested in that stretch.
- [52:53]
Aisha Morrison
Yeah, I'm, I'm down for that.
- [52:56]
Jeff Biggs
Okay. All right, let's take our real quick short time. We'll have our final segment coming up next. This is the Cowboys squad show more.
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Jeff Biggs
Told you that was quick. Welcome back. We've got Marcus, we've got Aisha with two eyes and former Cowboys coach Glenn Strat Smith. So aside from the Cowboys part, what else? What's on your radar for this week in Indy? We've talked a little bit about the rumors, maybe some contract talks. What else would you like to see or hoping to get a better feel of from this week?
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Marcus Mosher
I mean, I know for me it's just getting the measurements right, like getting verified measurements on all these players. Because it matters, right? Like if you got an offensive tackle who's got 32 inch arms, we saw how that can show up in the biggest games like it did with Will Campbell and the Patriots this year. I want to see what guys at Corner are running a 4,40 and which guys are running a 4,5,1 because that is a stop watch position. I put a lot of stock into this week. And this is not to say that you go out and you draft the biggest and the fastest guys because that's, that's misusing the combine information. But you want to see guys check boxes. And for me, that's why this week is so valuable. And guys like Mansoor Delane, you want to see him go out and run a 4, 4, 5, 4 yard dash, not a 5, 4, 5, 5. You want to see a guy like Sonny Styles test off the chart at linebacker. It's all about checking boxes and that's how you get the most out of this week.
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Jeff Biggs
Nice. Good answer, Marcus. That was good.
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Aisha Morrison
Yeah. For me, I mean. Oh, no, I Agree. I. I agree. I mean, the measurements are important as we especially, we got a lot of itty bitty corners in this class. A lot of. A lot of itty bitties that are really feisty, can play the game, but, like, we just want to get a better look at their size, arm length, things like that when it comes to the offensive line. I know that we haven't talked about it, and maybe nobody wants to talk about it that much, but, you know, Dallas is always in the business of trying to continue to build the offensive line. I don't think they go early rounds this year, but I do want to see, you know, some of the offensive linemen in their movement, what they're able to do, because I do think that Dallas needs to continue to be looking there despite the fact that they. I know they feel like everything is kind of together for them. And then also, too, with the defensive ends. I. I'm really curious to see these three cone drills. I'm interested to see how some of these GU guys look like, how fluid they look like having a drop and, you know, go from sideline to sideline. Especially with Dallas kind of switching to more of a three, four, you know, these guys might have to do some of that, so I want to see what they're able to do.
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Jeff Biggs
All right.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna be interested to hear about some interviews, too. I mean.
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Aisha Morrison
Oh, absolutely.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I want some guys that don't think the Kentucky Derby's a hat. I mean, I agree with Marcus. I agree with what you're saying. I mean, I don't want to, you know, I don't want some offensive guard to pull his shirt off and see a navel that can hold a three liter. Dr. Pepper. I mean, I know some of that stuff does matter.
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Marcus Mosher
Dr. Pepper. The official district of the Locked on Gap Boys podcast, putting that out. I hope it is. Coach, have you ever been in those interviews when you're asking these players questions?
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Yeah.
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Marcus Mosher
What was the best question that you had for somebody?
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Number one, it wasn't me asking, it was the offensive coordinator. I mean, I was just. I. I didn't. I never got the. I never got the bullhorn in that scenario. Normally it was kind of, you know, I. I was kind of, you know, as guys would walk away, I might say, you know, I might say one thing or another. But I mean, you know, I. I think that, you know, I don't ever want to call out certain guys, but I mean, there were. I'm telling you, there were a couple guys that I can Remember that You. You sit back in your chair and you think, you know, man, this guy's a college graduate. I mean, I mean, you know, it's. I, I do think those things matter. I think, you know, they used to get after that Wonderlic test and all that stuff. I mean, I think there's a. I think there's something. I think there's something said for that. Being able to think quick, being able to have quick decision making. You know, I do think there's something to be said for that.
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Marcus Mosher
You do this long enough and you talk to enough players, you can't. I don't think you can ever go into an interview and think, okay, a guy. This guy's going to be an All Pro coming out of an interview.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Right?
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Marcus Mosher
But there are times where you get done talking to a player and you just know, like, hey, this is not going to work out. Right? And I think that's what the combine is for, is really trying to, like, eliminate players for consideration. And a lot of times it can be. It doesn't even have to be an answer. It can be an attitude or the way that they're handling the interview. And that's why you'll hear teams ask these players very random questions just to see how they react. Most of them handle it pretty well. They could be. They've been trained to handle it well. But there's. Occasionally there's a couple that'll tense up when they get a question they don't like.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
I mean, I remember I loved Heinz Ward at Georgia. I absolutely loved him. I thought he was absolutely everything you look for. And we got to the combine, and when they said, you know, that his. His medical was not going to check out because he, I. It was. He was missing, actually one of his ligaments in his knee. I mean, he was. He was. And we were throwing him off the board. I mean, I can remember, you know, just being like, where I was like, that is terrible, because, I mean, he. He was. He was awesome at Georgia. He would knock your ass off. He would do whatever you ask him to do. And I did. I love that kid. I, I. So I think it's more about, you know, being disappointed in the times that I was disappointed. Like, God, really, I mean, that. That guy's, you know, and that, that changes your whole career path. I mean, think about that. It goes to Pittsburgh. I don't know how long he played. Ten years, whatever, how long he played. Never really had an issue with it.
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Aisha Morrison
Yeah, the, the medicals are important in the, for the combine. I mean, Some of these team doctors, some of these teams, like, you know, we might have little bits and pieces of like what's going on with a guy. But to your point, Marcus, like, we gonna find out what's, what's really going on with a lot of these guys. And we could see, you know, some players draft stock drop or, you know, be okay. Like, I think about a, or I think about a Mezador who. People are concerned about his. Yeah, Mezador people are, are concerned about his medicals. He's a hell of a player, disruptive all over the field. But what is, what are his medicals going to check out it as, Especially with a foot injury from a guy like that that's going to be important for his draft stock. So I, I do agree that it's going to be, I think about R.L. thomas, R.L. mason Thomas the Edge. I think that he, his medicals are important as well. Like he should be up in the conversation of some of the top ends. How he checks out is going to be important too. So I'm. The medicals are the most important thing to me because ain't no line in there. Ain't no line in the, for the combine, you know, or height or weight.
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Marcus Mosher
And that's why the combine got started and it's why they've done it in, in Indianapolis all the years because there's a lot of MRI machines within walking distance. Right. So they can get all these players through all the tests that they need to rather than having them go all the way across the country. And that's really the most valuable thing we can get from the combine is the medical reports that unfortunately us as fans and reporters, we don't get them. Although they'll get leaked out over the next two months.
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Aisha Morrison
Yeah, they will.
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Jeff Biggs
Coach, did you, did you code was, was Heinz Ward on the Steelers in the super bowl when you, when you beat the Steelers?
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Yeah.
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Jeff Biggs
So you got to coach against him anyway.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
Yeah, I mean, you know, and it was, I'm telling you, he, I, I've seen him multiple times since then and I always go up to him and go, you know, I was the one that championed the crap out of you. For a team that didn't get you.
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Marcus Mosher
Nice.
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Jeff Biggs
Well done.
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Marcus Mosher
I got a good Heinz Word story, Jeff. I can tell real quick. When he was a fifth round pick out of Georgia, he came to our high school to play at a basketball game. And after the game he was signing autographs. I had my Dion Sanders jersey on. He told me he wouldn't give me an Autograph. Unless I took it off. Didn't take it off because I'm a proud Cowboy fan. I said I didn't need Some no name 5th round receiver from Georgia. I was good. I wasn't gonna. He wasn't gonna amount to anything.
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Aisha Morrison
Oh, no, look at that though.
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Jeff Biggs
He stood your ground though, so.
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Marcus Mosher
My ground? Yeah. I'm not gonna let little bully me.
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Aisha Morrison
Little Heinz war.
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Jeff Biggs
All right, before we go, Marcus, what are you and Landon having have coming up the rest of the week?
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Marcus Mosher
Yeah. So Landon and I are going to get into a really big debate on Tuesday discussing the best safety in the class outside of Caleb downs. Dylan Thiedeman versus Emmanuel McNeil. Warren, check that out. On Tuesday, we're going to get you ready for the combine players. The Cowboys are going to be talking to guys that we're interested in. Make sure you're on the lookout for that.
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Jeff Biggs
I love it. Aisha, what do you got?
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
We'll show you a little something. Don't sign off yet.
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Marcus Mosher
Go ahead.
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Aisha Morrison
I'm gonna be on with the stack with Brian Broaddus and Zach Wolchuk. We will not be having a show tomorrow because Brian is traveling to the combine to but we will be having a show on Thursday that will air at 3pm he's going to be boots on the ground, pushing out any information and we're going to be talking about, you know, just some of the reports, some of the information coming down and getting a better feel for these guys, getting some stuff confirmed and denied. So what you got?
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Jeff Biggs
What do you got, Coach?
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
That's. I don't know if I can say. That's. Dion signed his shoe after we won that Super Bowl.
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Jeff Biggs
Yeah.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
There you go. So you got your jersey?
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Marcus Mosher
No. Yeah. I'll send you my address afterwards if you want to ship that over.
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Aisha Morrison
Dang. I ain't got nothing that cool, y'. All. Y' all got all this cool paraphernalia.
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Jeff Biggs
Yeah.
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Glenn 'Stretch' Smith
What do you want shipped over?
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Marcus Mosher
Those cleats, they look nice. They look great. Hanging behind me.
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Aisha Morrison
What's wrong with y'? All?
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Jeff Biggs
Prime time. All right, guys. Hey, great show. Enjoyed it very much. We could keep going, but thank you. Have a great week. We'll do it again on Thursday night. And again we're just closer and closer. March will be here before we do it. We got the combine coming up this week. Make sure you check out Marcus and Landon and also Aisha on her shows. We'll be back with you again on Thursday night. This has been the Cowboys squad show foreign.
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