COWBOYS SQUAD SHOW: The Cowboys are set to TAG WR George Pickens.

Summary

Locked On Cowboys — Cowboys Squad Show: The Cowboys are Set to Tag WR George Pickens

Episode Date: February 10, 2026
Hosts: Marcus Mosher, Landon McCool
Guests: Aisha Morrison, Glenn "Stretch" Smith
Podcast: Locked On Cowboys – Daily Podcast On The Dallas Cowboys

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Episode Overview

The first post–Super Bowl 61 episode kicks off with the "Squad" reviewing the NFL season, breaking down what the Cowboys must do to close the gap in 2026, and zeroing in on the biggest Cowboys news—the planned franchise tag for WR George Pickens. They dig into lessons from this year’s Super Bowl teams, the state of the Cowboys’ offense and defense, coaching moves, and the strategic chess game between keeping and trading Pickens. The show is full of lively Cowboys analysis, good-natured ribbing, and some pointed frustrations about the NFL’s business as usual.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Season & Super Bowl 61 Takeaways

[03:21] Marcus opens with a macro view:

• The NFC was “far superior” to the AFC this season.
• Elite quarterbacks (Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar) are important, “but you really need a good team around these guys to win.”
• Seattle’s Super Bowl win with Sam Darnold—“not a top 7 or 8 QB”—is proof football is “the ultimate team game.”

Notable Quote:

“You have to be really strong on both sides of the football. You have to win in the special teams phase. And I think Seattle is just another reminder that this is the ultimate team game.”
— Marcus Mosher [03:21]

QB Development Lessons

• Aisha hammers the “microwave” mentality: NFL teams don’t develop QBs patiently enough, expecting instant success.
• Sam Darnold’s journey is testament to the importance of developmental growth and environment.

[06:30]

“That’s the problem right now. We are a microwave football league... It’s no mistake to me that a guy went to multiple teams, learned multiple schemes... and then when he finally got to that sixth team, it kind of clicked for him.”
— Aisha Morrison

Coaching/Front Office Decisions

• Glenn: Bad teams hurt QBs' development; asks who in Minnesota let Darnold walk after a 14-win season.
• Marcus: “It’s probably the guy that's not there anymore.”
• The group agrees on the huge impact of strong, developmental coaching.

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2. What Can the Cowboys Learn from the Super Bowl Teams?

Defensive Grit & Roster Building
Marcus [11:10] points to the Seahawks and Patriots secondaries' “night and day” tackling versus Dallas’s weakness.

• The need for “dogs” in the Cowboys’ secondary—physical, aggressive defensive backs.

[12:01] Glenn asks if defensive-minded head coaches are critical for a tough, sound defense.

• The consensus is yes: coaching identity shapes roster priorities and sets a physical tone.

Scouting & Identity

• Both Seattle’s history (Legion of Boom) and focused scouting for fit/physicality are crucial; not chasing physical “traits” only.

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3. Cowboys’ 2026 Needs & Offseason Priorities

[20:18] Jeff: What must Dallas do to get back to the Super Bowl?

• Marcus: Offense and special teams are excellent; defense “a long way away.”
  • Last two Super Bowl champs had #1 defenses.
  • “You can’t have a bad defense. Honestly, you can’t even have an average defense.”
• Fixing the defense is priority #1—but is it too much for one offseason?

[23:34]
Aisha: Is the list of needs too long for a quick fix?

• Marcus: “In one offseason? Probably.”
• Seattle made it work with minimal linebacker talent, strong D-line, and a loaded secondary. Cowboys must be smart, not perfect, in each position group.

Free Agency & Draft Approach

• Glenn: Is it better to add proven veteran safeties than swing big for one all-pro in the draft?
• Marcus & Aisha: The 2026 free agent class is strong, especially for defensive backs—Dallas should be proactive and aggressive, fixing multiple holes with veterans, using the draft for upside.

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4. Cowboys’ Coaching Hires

[30:13] Marcus highlights the new defensive staff:

• Likes the hires overall but wants “a couple more veteran coaches, maybe someone in the booth like Leslie Frazier [in Seattle] to help the young coordinator (Christian Parker).”
• “A few guys could make all the difference in the world.”

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5. George Pickens: Franchise Tag or Trade?

The Big Story
[33:37] The panel reacts to reports that the Cowboys will franchise tag WR George Pickens, with possible trade rumors surfacing.

Key Context:

• The tag is expected and “procedural”—standard practice to buy time for a long-term deal.
• Ian Rapoport’s Sunday claim (“Cowboys could trade Pickens”) is seen as standard agent leverage, not a true sign of a deal brewing.

Memorable Quotes:

“We've known for months now that the Cowboys were going to franchise tag George Pickens because all that does is gives them more time to get a long term extension done... I think both sides want to get it done... This is something that we've all been hearing for a while.”
— Marcus Mosher [34:44, 35:22]

“The tag... is just procedural. Like we've known this is going to happen for a while. I don't know why it's a big deal.”
— Marcus Mosher [37:37]

Would the Cowboys Actually Trade Pickens?

• The panel is skeptical.
• Marcus: “If you could start to reallocate some of the resources on offense to defense... If somebody's willing to give you a massive trade offer for George Pickens ... at least worth discussing.”
• But this isn’t a goal—only if blown away by an offer.

Debate: Is it wise to keep investing in offense?

• Marcus: Dallas already has the “NFL’s most expensive offense.” Wouldn’t it be smart to shift resources to defense, given glaring needs?
• Glenn: “I'm just glad you're not in the stockbroker business, because you got to keep something stable.” [40:00]
• Aisha: Frustrated by the “constant fighting” to pay homegrown, developed stars: “Why is it just this constant, like, guys have to just keep proving themselves?”

Hierarchy / Market Value

• Stretch and Marcus debate where Pickens fits among top receivers—does he deserve “top of market” money or is he a step below the elite tier (JSN, Jamar Chase, Puka)?
• Bottom line: The agent will push for Top 5 pay, but Dallas must balance the cap and defense rebuild.

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6. Micah Parsons’ Comments & Cowboys Trade Rumors

[51:02] Micah Parsons (now with the Packers) made media waves, claiming Dallas and Philly discussed trading him for DT Jalen Carter, and that he hadn’t spoken to Jerry Jones post-trade.

Panel Reaction:

• Marcus: “Selective memory”—Micah’s stories get bigger each time, don’t take every detail seriously.
• Aisha: “I like how Micah play, but I don’t really listen to him talk.”

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7. Cowboys Hall of Fame Snubs: Woodson & Witten

[54:12] Discussion of Darren Woodson and Jason Witten being passed over for the Hall.

Consensus:

• Both are deserving, especially Woodson, who “revolutionized” the safety position.
• Process feels “biased against the Cowboys.”
• Marcus: The Hall’s older voters aren’t watching as much modern football; a more active, diverse panel would help.

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8. Final Thoughts & Look Ahead

Cowboys’ Draft/Free Agency Approach

• Jeff: “Surely they understand defense is the glaring need—right?”
• Marcus cautions: Don’t be shocked when “someone in the media says the Cowboys should draft a running back at pick number 12.” Team priorities (and coverage) can shift quickly!

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Football is a team game... This season, more than any other, exemplifies that.” — Marcus Mosher [03:21]
• “Sam Darnold is a testament that the quarterback position requires development in most cases.” — Aisha Morrison [06:30]
• “You can’t have a bad defense. Honestly, you can’t even have an average defense.” — Marcus Mosher [21:09]
• “If you want to be a good team, you have to be prepared to pay good players.” — Aisha Morrison [43:13]
• “I believe Woodson should be a Hall of Famer—he really revolutionized what this downhill safety could do.” — Glenn “Stretch” Smith [54:16]
• “[On Micah Parsons’ quotes] Selective memory... I think the further we get removed from it, the bigger the story will grow.” — Marcus Mosher [51:48, 53:28]

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Key Timestamps for Main Segments

• Post-Super Bowl reactions, team-building lessons: 03:21–16:23
• Cowboys roster/building focus: 20:18–30:59
• Coaching hires: 30:13–30:59
• George Pickens franchise tag/trade debate: 33:37–48:50
• Parsons trade rumors: 51:02–53:28
• Woodson & Witten Hall of Fame: 54:12–59:18
• Outlook, draft debate, closing banter: 60:20–62:00

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Episode Tone

Lively, candid, slightly exasperated with NFL “business as usual”—full of Cowboys pride, tough love, and practical team-building talk. There’s plenty of good-natured banter and honest disagreement.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode:

This episode serves as a comprehensive, entertaining roundtable about the Cowboys’ crossroads: how to follow the proven blueprint of recent Super Bowl teams, fix a glaringly thin defense, and manage the contract chess game with stars like George Pickens—all while juggling coaching hires, draft strategy, and the “business” side of football. The hosts pull no punches but balance their criticisms with clear-eyed hope for a smarter, tougher 2026 Dallas squad.

Transcript

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

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[Aisha Morrison]

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[Jeff Biggs]

I am Jeff Biggs, host of the Cowboys squad show and Super Bowl 61 will be fun if the Cowboys are in it.

[Marcus Mosher]

I am Marcus Mosher and the Cowboys probably won't be in Super Bowl 61, so calm down, Jeff.

[Aisha Morrison]

I am Aisha Morrison and I rebuke what Marcus is talking about right now.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Glenn Stretch Smith, Every team in the NFL 0 and 0 today. It's perfect.

[Aisha Morrison]

How about them Cowboys? It's the Cowboy squad. Everything. Dallas Cowboys every week covering all the big hits and game changing plays from America's team the way only the Locked on podcast network can get ready and squad up. It's the Cowboy squad show starting now.

[Jeff Biggs]

We are ready. Super Bore 60 is over and that means the NFL off season is now officially, officially underway. So is another edition of the Cowboys squad show. Welcome. We start with a welcome to Aisha multiple show Morrison. She's on so much, we can't keep track. Welcome Aisha. We've got former Cowboys coach, the one and only Glenn Stretch Smith. And back with us this week after an eventful week off camera, Marcus. One more Mosier with Marcus. Congrats. Don't want to put you on the spot, but hope you and your wife and your family are doing well and congratulations from all of us.

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, thank you very much. The the wife and the baby are doing very, very well now. We're very sleep deprived which means you're going to get some, you know, more angry takes on this show. I will try to be as nice as possible, but I'm looking forward to today's show.

[Jeff Biggs]

I know you and coach will get along great. All right well, coming up over the next hour, we got a lot to get to. The very latest on what's going on with the Cowboys. They were all over the place during super bowl week. We've got the latest on George Pickens. It's just a snowball story that just keeps rolling and rolling and rolling and getting bigger and bigger. But, squad, I want to start with you, Marcus. Just, let's just put a bow on the NFL season, the Super Bowl. Final thoughts. Happy for DeMarcus Lawrence, but what were your takeaways on the big game?

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, one of the big themes from this season is I just thought the NFC was far superior than the afc. And honestly, it's been that way for a couple years. And I think we have a tendency to overrate quarterbacks. Right. Like Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and Burrow and Lamar Jackson. They're all incredible. But you really need a good team around all these guys to win. And even as great as Mahomes and Josh Allen are, they can't will their teams to victory. And we saw a team with Sam Darnold. I think everybody would agree, probably not a top seven or eight quarterback dominate the NFL this year, dominate the Patriots in the super bowl because they had one of the most complete rosters in the NFL. And I know it feels very simple to say that, you know, football is a team game, but I think this, this season, more than any other season, really exemplifies that. You have to be really strong on both sides of the football. You have to win in, you know, in the special teams phase. And I think Seattle is just another reminder that this is the ultimate team game.

[Jeff Biggs]

Aisha.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Coach, I mean, I guess my initial question is, so can. You haven't said what you just said. Can.

[Marcus Mosher]

Can.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Can you pay a quarterback over 50 million and still have a balanced roster?

[Marcus Mosher]

Yes, you can. But you have to make. You've got to make really sound financial decisions. And we'll talk about one of those maybe with George Pickens here in a little bit. And you've got to nail your draft picks. And I think there's been too many times where the Cowboys have missed on a Mozzie Smith or they missed on a Sam Williams. And those are the moves that you've got to make if you want to continue to be a contender, at least in the nfc.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, you got to take advantage of having those guys on rookie deals and being able to, you know, manipulate the cap during that time in regards to the game. Listen, I love football, and it is. I just think, know Seeing Seattle and the way that they put this thing together, as you guys have talked about, as we've talked about here, it just seems like the right type of football. Does that make sense? Like it just feels like if you're gonna run a team, this is how you do it. The play.

[Marcus Mosher]

We call that playing honorable football.

[Aisha Morrison]

It's just to me, it's just Chef's kiss to the game. And especially given like what you guys are talking about with the quarterback position. I mean the quarterback position right now is in limbo in the NFL. I think that there's like a developmental curve that some guys aren't hitting and then we've seen a phasing out of some of the older guys. We got some guys that are kind of taking that mantle. But like, you know, for Sam Darnold to be like a journeyman and then make it and that team be so well orchestrated in the off seasons, in the drafting that he didn't have to do all of that Chef's kiss. I mean I shout out to them, I'm very excited for them. They deserved it. And I just think they exemplified a well oiled machine from top to bottom to get to there in this last couple years.

[Jeff Biggs]

That was a great answer.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Aisha, let me ask you this. Should, and I'm not saying it being critical, should Sam Darnold have been a journeyman? No.

[Aisha Morrison]

Well, he was a journeyman. No, he, he probably shouldn't. But that's why develop like, that's, that's the problem right now. We are a microwave like football league, especially when it comes to the quarterback position. So many guys have come in and been successful early on that that's the expectation. But a guy, no mistake to me that a guy went to multiple teams, learned multiple schemes, had to fit into them and then when he finally, you know, got to that like six team, it kind of clicked for him. And he also had a defense that played well behind him as well. But it's like this to me is a more of a testament of the fact that the league is not well, that the league in general is not that the quarterback position requires development in most cases and even the best guys need it. He needed the time personally. I mean, and then you only drafted you like these rosters. A lot of these teams like are drafting these guys and they're rock prepared. They're not developing these guys, they're not developing the roster. So I just feel like it was just handled correctly because people had a lot of questions when Seattle went out and got him and he just went in there and managed that offense to a point and. And, you know, thrived off of having a really good defense. I don't. I think. I don't think he should be paid that much. No, but. And should he have been that paid that much by now? No, he just needed time to get somewhere where he could thrive. Does that make sense? I don't know. I don't think that he should have.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

I can already see he's with. With two really bad football teams to start with.

[Aisha Morrison]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Tyler Rowland]

Right.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

So when you're with really bad football teams, then all of a sudden it kind of drives you down a little bit. He got with a good team and a good situation in Minnesota, and that GM is not there anymore because of. They. They let him walk out the door after winning 14 games. Who's. I want to know who's responsible in Minnesota for letting him walk? It was the head coach. Was it the gm?

[Marcus Mosher]

I mean, probably the guy that's not there anymore, right?

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

What?

[Marcus Mosher]

It's probably the guy that's not there anymore, right? Quesi.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Correct. So. Right. So. So the point that. That I'm making is that I do think that when you look at how he took what happened to him his last game at Minnesota, where he had multiple turnovers, he goes and wins 14 games in Seattle and. And doesn't turn the ball over in the postseason this year. I mean, that. That's. To me, that's. That's growth with a quarterback coach, with somebody who understands how to manage a football game.

[Aisha Morrison]

I love it, man. I love seeing guys get better. I love seeing guys go to other places and figure it out. I'm never upset about it because that's what this game is supposed to be about. So I. I'm. I'm thrilled to see him succeed.

[Marcus Mosher]

I know the way coach's brain is working right now, he's already thinking, who's the next Sam Darnold? And I got a feeling I know the answer, right? Is it. Is it the guy in San Francisco right now backing up Brock Purdy?

[Aisha Morrison]

Mac Jones? Yeah, because he.

[Marcus Mosher]

I mean, I don't. I don't.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

I mean, I. I think that. I mean, obviously I. I like Mac and. And I have a personal relationship with Mac, but I mean, I'm. I'm saying that, you know, could. Could carry. Come back, let's say in. And do something. I mean, in the right situation. The point I'm making is Kubiak, Shanahan, those guys have done great jobs with quarterbacks, and they're able to get them to play at another level. I mean brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant the last player in the draft. And I'm not taking anything away from Brock Trudy. I'm just saying, I mean those guys have been able to take some quarterbacks and get them to play at a very high level. Sam Darnold, what was the third pick in the draft and I mean, you know, then bounced around and they were able to get him for what is a, a, a, a, a bargain price at what $33 million this year. I mean he signed a three or $100 million deal that's a bargain price for a quarterback and that allows you in turn to be able to go spend money to go make a mid season trade for Shahid to go be able to do some things with your roster. And I think that to me that, that there's something to be said for John Schneider and, and what he's done. Is this a Cowboy show? We talking about the NFL?

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, I was going to ask you this just based on what you saw last night. What lessons do you think you can learn from this Seahawks team and really even the Patriots team that the Cowboys should try to fix going into 2026? Like I'll give you one for me, I, you watch these two teams in the secondary and the way they tackle and then you watch the Cowboys tackle and it's night and day when you have defensive backs like Devin Weatherspoon that'll fly up and blitz and tackle and they'll put their nose in the, you know, in the run game and, and they'll take on tight ends. It makes a huge difference for your defense. And I think the Cowboys have prioritized guys that have more size, athleticism, length and maybe ball skills. And I'm not saying anything any of those are bad because they're obviously not. But you need some more dogs in your secondary, right? Guys that want to be fish.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

You think. Well let me ask you. Yeah, let me ask all of you. Do you think having a defensive minded head coach leads to them with a defensive minded get after your ass, take the correct angle tackle? I mean yes, I would say that. I think that has a lot to do with that. How those guy. I'd like to know how do they structure their practice? How much time in training camp do they spend, you know, rolling that big, that big diesel tire up in there having them tackle at a certain, I mean all the things that go along with that to me go along with the fact that you have two defensive minded head coaches and that's how they coach. That's how they played the game. They didn't. There were. They were what? There was one or two chances last night. I think that Seattle had a chance to kick it from maybe 60 and they didn't. They just punted the ball inside the 10 and said, let's, let's go play defense because that's how those coaches think.

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, you're right. I mean, we should give Mike McDonald.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Sorry to bother you for bringing that up.

[Marcus Mosher]

No, you're right. I. We'll get back at you. Don't worry. But I do think they prioritize. These guys like Devin Witherspoon in the 2023 draft wasn't the longest, wasn't the biggest, didn't have a ton of ball production. But they drafted him because he was a very physical guy that could play the slot in the outside. And then in 2024, when you pair him with McDonald, you see him become an all pro caliber player. So you're. I think you're right. It's coaching. You also have to identify the guys that want to come in here and tackle and be physical.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Well, and that's where I was going to go to is that, hey, maybe they're. Maybe they're scouting the right guys. Maybe they're identifying the right guys make, you know, whether it's woolen the kid out of utsa. I mean, you have to admit, Iman worry. I don't know how. I don't know how you, how you pronounce.

[Marcus Mosher]

You got it.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Get the laughing here in a minute because of my accent, but I mean, at the end of the day, it's, it's identifying those guys and then, hey, this is what we want. This is the characteristic that we want. Then, okay, maybe he's a little lacking here. But let me tell you, you know, we're looking for this, for this particular advantage there and I, I think that's what you're seeing guys do.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. I think it also has to do with like what Seattle has been like. I mean, there's no mistake that secondary play has been important to that team even when they were struggling. You know, that's been a priority there just because of what the tone that the Legion of Boom has set. They're always kind of, you know, that's kind of their identity because even then they had guys that came up and tackled and were physical and were tone setters, but they also had corners that had the range and could attack the ball and all those things. So I feel like that's also you know, I understand. I agree with that. These coaches are probably more minded to look for guys like that, but I also think that that's a part of, like, the identity, that they want to be continuous through their defense and through their secondary as a whole. So. Yeah, and they've drafted that way for a while. They've had guys not work out. They've had some guys work out, but I just think that that's kind of also too. That's how Seattle want to get down with the. Get down.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Nice.

[Jeff Biggs]

I like that. And I think for me, I think back to the offense, I think you need to have a good offensive line, obviously, and I think you need to have a good running back. I think you need to have an elite running back that can just take. Take over at certain times over the course of the season, or the couple plays here, a couple drives during a game that can really, really balance it out and dominate with. With the run and the pass and not be one dimensional.

[Aisha Morrison]

And yeah, the Seattle's usage of 12 personnel this year, it has a lot of uniqueness in it. Some of the different fronts that they use, I. I know if I'm not mistaken, they're top. They're one of the top in the league with 12 personnel, and they wear on you in that run game. And I think we saw some of that with New England. We don't think New England's front seven is anything to snuff at. They weren't getting no push off the line like that, not consistently. Like, I mean, that's to me, like they were. They're a really good mix of old school football, but also practical, you know, football that we play now. And I like that.

[Marcus Mosher]

I got one question for Stretch before we get to break.

[Jeff Biggs]

Okay.

[Marcus Mosher]

I want to know what your super bowl party looks like. Are you just hanging out by yourself, just, like, mumbling about all the bad, tackling, all that stuff or what? What's it look like for you?

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

I mean, you know, both my parents are living, and so I have to work for a living. So last night I had to go into the studio and I had to get ready to watch a game because I had to get ready to do a TV show. I. I'm, you know, I'm not in a situation where I can just eat, ride and fart on the bus, watch the game and eat peanuts and little smokies and.

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, that's what's gonna ask you what the spread was like last night.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

You know, standing around scratching and waiting for the rabbit to play at halftime. I mean, I had to go to work.

[Marcus Mosher]

I was just wondering, like, you know, was it pizza and wings? Was it like, you know, nachos?

[Aisha Morrison]

But you can't call him the Rabbit. Can't call that grown.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

What is his name?

[Marcus Mosher]

Bad, bad buddy.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Oh, I don't know. I. I didn't understand anything. I didn't understand the damn thing he was saying. So to hell with it. I'll call him whatever I want. The Rabbit. Whatever, whatever.

[Jeff Biggs]

All right, when we come back, I want to ask you along these lines. So we talked about the super bowl and what Seattle's done. What do the Cowboys need to do to get back to the Super Bowl? We'll get into that when we come back. This is the Cowboys squad show.

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[Marcus Mosher]

Maybe he won't be. I don't know. He might be done after we called him out for calling a bad bunny.

[Jeff Biggs]

So let's keep it real here. So what, what, you know, we, we love the Cowboys offense. What, what do they need to do though to get back to the super bowl, realistically?

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, I mean, the offense is obviously good enough to be a Super bowl caliber team and I think the special teams unit for the most part is, I think the combination of Brandon Aubrey and Brian Anger is just as good as what we saw last night between, between Myers and Dickerson. So it's really the defense and one of the things that we've seen over the last couple years is you can't have a bad defense. And honestly, you really can't even have an average defense. You need to have a top five or six defense if you want to be a contender. We saw the number one ranked defense this year win the super bowl in Seattle. We saw the number one defense in Philadelphia last year win the Super Bowl. It doesn't mean you have to have the number one ranked defense, but you've got to have a defense that can get timely stops and they can stop the run. And right now the Cowboys are a long way away. Now, can that change in one off season? Absolutely. It changed for Philadelphia in 2024 when they drafted Quinion Mitchell and Cooper DeJean. But that's the number one goal. They've got to get this defense playing at a competent level. They have any chance.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Yeah. How about, how about playing, how about playing with the correct scheme? I mean, before we get into what, what players they want, how about playing with the right, having it coordinated the right way? I mean, and I'm saying that because I do think there's something to be said for how both of those teams, to me that you saw in the super bowl were kind of a, they're kind of the same team. They play that three down look with the two overhang guys on first down and then they, then they Transition to a four down. Look, they don't, they don't blitz a whole lot, but they blitz when they need to and they're confident calling it. How about being. How about kind of fit in that mold knowing that the NFL is such a plagiarism business?

[Marcus Mosher]

I mean, I'm with you. I think just more being more technically sound.

[Aisha Morrison]

Still do that.

[Marcus Mosher]

And you, you're right. Sh. Like, that's. I think we're going to see the Cowboys play a similar style of defense now. Do they have the talent? Are they going to find their version of Devin Witherspoon or Christian Gonzalez or Marcus Jones? We'll see. That's there. They have these two first round picks. They've got some cap space to spend. But you're right. For them to have any chance of being a contender in 2026, they've got to fix the back end.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

I mean, I'm sorry, you should go ahead.

[Aisha Morrison]

Oh, no, I was gonna. I was. No, go ahead, coach, explain. No, I got a question.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Say what you want to say. Go ahead.

[Tyler Rowland]

Oh, my.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, my question. I was, I was just gonna ask, like. Well, I do think that they did some sufficient work with the defensive line. Obviously. Get in. It sounds like Kenny Clark. That's something that they really want to keep working and bring him back. You went and got Quinn Williams. You obviously have Donovan as a rocku. I think the linebacker position. So I don't think. I think it's the linebacker position. And also to the secondary. Do you feel like it's too much to fix?

[Marcus Mosher]

I mean, in one off season? Probably.

[Aisha Morrison]

Well, I mean, you're not. But there's no way you're going to fix everything.

[Marcus Mosher]

No, you've got to live with. Yeah, you're gonna have to make some decisions. And whether that's like keeping Malik Hooker for another year or living with the linebackers that you have on the roster. Yeah, it's. It's probably not going to get all fixed in one year. But does it, does that mean you have to be a bad defense or even an average defense? No, because I think. Look at Seattle's linebackers. It's Ernest Jones and a bunch of guys. They traded for Ernest Jones, you know, midway through the training camp. And the, The, the, the rest of the group is just. It's kind of just bodies out there. And yet they made it work because they were so good on the front end and the. On the back end.

[Aisha Morrison]

Okay, go ahead.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Let me ask you both something. I mean, if you're, if you're thinking about what you want to do or how you want to be defensively. You, you, you, you. It would be fair to say those two teams in the Super Bowl, Houston, Denver, Chargers, wouldn't you say? Kind of that's where you want to be defensively as far as sound solid, but not a lot of. I mean, I know Houston has some, but I mean, not a bunch of real. What I would consider high end secondary players.

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, I think the Chargers are your best example. Right. They've got one in Derwin James and then a lot of just good players. And I think that could work, right? Like if you can just get four or five guys that are competent starters, that's how you can rebuild the secondary faster. You don't need to have Deion Sanders and Mel Blunt as your two corners.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

I mean, Houston, Houston, Houston is the perfect example. Right. Petrie and two snake corners.

[Marcus Mosher]

Yeah. And that's just, it's unrealistic to think you're going to be able to do that.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

I think the charges are a good exact. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So that's not real. So now let's say how do we. If, if that is truly the. If that's the Ferrari, how do we get to be, you know, how do we get to be just a notch below that? Do we. Do you want to see him go get a Derwin James, a snake safety? Do you want to see him get a shutdown corner? And I don't think we have that answer right now because I have. I don't have the answer. I'll speak for myself because I haven't looked at enough of these guys yet. I don't truly know if there's two or three of these guys who I think right now are day one starters and are absolutely momentum changers on that side of the football for you and maybe, maybe the Ohio State safety. Where is he gonna go?

[Marcus Mosher]

Probably before you pick.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Yep. How do you know it's before I pick? I got the 20th pick. Why can't. Who, who are you to say I can't move up?

[Marcus Mosher]

Why wouldn't you get the 12th pick? You got two of those picks.

[Aisha Morrison]

He's probably the best player in the draft, but that's people. I wonder. But I, but we, we just, I'm just wondering. We've seen people like teams are not super high on safety. I guess it depends on the team. I guess maybe we have to do some digging on who picks before Dallas and see what their track record is.

[Marcus Mosher]

And there's a certain Ohio team that's drafting ahead.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

But I'm. What I'm saying, Aisha, if you evaluated him that way, then how do we. How. And you really feel that strong about it and you're in, you know, you're in. You're in the room. And then how do we get ourselves in position if he really is a true difference maker, how do we get ourselves in position to go get that guy?

[Aisha Morrison]

Well, unfor. I mean it. It's going to be more difficult with this draft. If you agree, Marcus, just because you don't have a second or a third. I mean even trying to ransom some of those things and then next year. Well, I don't think you have your first right.

[Marcus Mosher]

They don't have a. They have one first round pick but they can't trade it tracking.

[Aisha Morrison]

So I mean, you're in a place to where because you don't have a second and a third is going to make it more complicated. I mean, if there is a guy that Dallas feels that strongly about and, and Marcus, you can correct me it. That might be the only guy that I would even be okay with Dallas taking or trading up for if it's like two spots ahead or something.

[Marcus Mosher]

The other thing, Aisha here is like Caleb Downs is an awesome player. Like, I'm not disparaging him at all. The Cowboys have more needs in the secondary than just one player. Like, they need three starters in their secondary. And I think if you're going to be trading assets to go get Caleb Downs, again, great player. I don't know. That makes a ton of sense. They need. And this is something that Landon and I have talked about a lot. They need five or six new starters on defense and giving up multiple picks to get one. I don't know if, if that's super smart.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

What about what, what can you do from a free agencies? I haven't looked at any free agency.

[Marcus Mosher]

A lot of safeties. I think you're better off that way. Maybe grabbing a couple veteran safeties and, you know, trying to piece it together that way. Because I think Stretch, I think honestly they just need guys that are competent. And I think if you have competent defensive linemen or, sorry, competent safeties, you improve the pass rush a little bit. That's how you quickly get this defense to be, you know, a fine unit in 2026.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Well, let's just say, for instance, you're going to improve the pass rush with the scheme. Don't you think that this scheme.

[Marcus Mosher]

So.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Excuse me.

[Marcus Mosher]

I hope so. I. I hope. I hope they do.

[Aisha Morrison]

Sorry, I hit my camera that's all.

[Marcus Mosher]

I. There you go, stretch. You look better now. I. I hope this. I hope the scheme really helps the. The pass rush. I mean, I also hope that it helps the secondary, but you still need talent.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. When I think. I think you guys brought up free agency and luckily for Dallas, this is one of the. I think one of the better free agency classes I've seen when it comes to the secondary. So I guess we just need them to be aggressive. Aggressive to be proactive. Yeah, be proactive and not to be reactive. That's what they did. That's why they ended up having to go get Quinn Williams later. Like, be proactive in free agency, especially giving. And what you saying, Marcus? If you need five to seven starters on the defensive side, you're. There's no way you're going to acquire that just in the draft. So they're. They're going to have to get ahead in free agency, especially with this being a better DB class from that standpoint.

[Jeff Biggs]

Marcus, we didn't have you on last week. What do you think of the coaching hires that were made?

[Marcus Mosher]

Yeah, I think they're putting together a really good staff. I will say one of the things that I agree with Coach with is I would like to see them get a couple more veteran coaches and they have gotten guys that have been experienced, including Marcus Dixon, but maybe a few guys that could be up at the booth helping Christian Parker that can help him facilitate practice and run some of the meetings. I. I've been impressed by the staff as a whole. Just those last couple guys, I think could make all the difference in the world. And we saw this with, you know, Seattle, like you have Mike McDonald, you have on. On Dirty, you know, as defensive coordinator, and then you've got Leslie Frazier who's up in the booth, you know, helping, you know, call out, you know, formations and plays and taking notes. Even having somebody like that by your side can make a big difference.

[Jeff Biggs]

Yeah, I like it. All right, well, let's take our time out. When we come back, we got to get into the very latest with George Pickens and his future and his situation. We'll do that when we return. This is the Cowboys squad show.

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[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Let's get.

[Jeff Biggs]

There's Aisha. And so we talked a little bit about George Pickens during the week and he spoke to the media on the Pro bowl media day. So the reports came out that he's going to get the franchise tag. We no surprise there. But then Ian Rapaport of NFL Media said, yeah, they're going to tag him, but there's still a chance they could also trade him. Which I thought, when I heard that, I thought that sounds like a leak. Somebody planted that there to kind of give a little nudge just to put it out there. But what do you think? I mean, the tag, it seems like the realistic conclusion is you put the tag and then they'll get a long term deal done and everybody will live happily ever after. But there's still that possibility because of the agent. We don't know. It's not a slam dunk.

[Marcus Mosher]

Aisha, why don't you go then I'll give you my thoughts. Oh, we can't Hear you. She must be muted or your settings check your.

[Aisha Morrison]

My bad. Why? Gotta go. Because you see my face.

[Marcus Mosher]

I'll give you my take because I'm. To me, this is. It's pretty easy to read where some of these leaks are coming from. So let's, let's go through it all. I mean we've known for months now that the Cowboys were going to franchise tag George Pickens because all that does is gives them more time to get a long term extension done. This gives them till believe it's July 15th to get a deal done. I think both sides want to get it done. I don't know why Adam Schefter decided to tweet it out the. The night before the super bowl. But again, this is something that we've all been hearing for a while. Right?

[Jeff Biggs]

Right.

[Marcus Mosher]

And then we get on Sunday from Ian Rapaport that the Cowboys could trade George Pickens and they've been open to trading stars before. And that to me sounds like a lot of agent talk of hey, if you're gonna franchise tag our guy, we're gonna coming hard to come try to trade for him again. I don't know how realistic that is. However, it's not the worst idea in the world. I'm not saying the Cowboys should do that, but you just watched Seattle and their awesome defense. We saw how much that team dominated. If you could start to reallocate some of the resources on offense to defense, I don't think that's a bad idea. If somebody's willing to give you a massive trade offer for George Pickens, let's say it's a first round pick, Right. Somebody gives you a first round pick for George Pickens and rather than spending, let's say $30 million a year on Pickens, you're able to turn that into a free agent edge rusher like Jalen Phillips. Is Jalen Phillips and a first round pick that you would presumably use on defense more valuable to your team than George Pickens. I don't know, but it's at least worth discussing and I'm sure the Cowboys will have some of those discussions over the next few weeks also too.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm going to say something and I hope it doesn't give me into any trouble, but there's context between those two reporters as well. And let's not act as though there's not competition in reporting and things like that because I. It just seemed like some to talk about. I mean, I'm just saying, like I, I understand we have to go through the hoopla and stuff. But I do understand the other side of reporting and things like that as well. And it felt like, oh, you said this to me. So I ignored it because I don't care. Because we knew that he was going to get franchise tagged. And the idea too many of the players publicly and privately being in the building have spoke about. And the important ones too. Let me, let me verify. Yeah, the important ones too. The ones that matter. Yeah. Those guys have spoken on the fact that they are willing. Even CD said this week, like, I'm willing to, I'm willing to adjust my salary or do whatever it takes, you know, to keep him. It's ultimately going to be up to the guys.

[Jeff Biggs]

But.

[Aisha Morrison]

Desires to trade him.

[Marcus Mosher]

Here's the other thing. It would have been big news, it would have been the biggest news if the, if it came out that the Cowboys weren't franchising tagging George Pickens because that means he would hit the open market and that would be, that's what we would have led today's show with. Right. But the fact that they're franchise tagging him is just, it's procedural. Like we've known this is going to happen for a while. I don't know why it's a big deal.

[Jeff Biggs]

Coach, any thoughts?

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Nope.

[Jeff Biggs]

Okay.

[Marcus Mosher]

There you go, Coach.

[Jeff Biggs]

You know, for me, I, I, I just, I'll just say it like you.

[Aisha Morrison]

Scared, you got PTSD or something. You, you seem stressed out about it.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

What else do you want me, I mean what, what, what else is there to add to that? I don't wanna, I'm not into word salad. So. I mean that's what they were gonna do. So what, what else do you want me to say?

[Marcus Mosher]

You could say, good point, Marcus.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm saying that Jeff, I'm saying that Jeff is nervous about what's gonna happen with Piggies. Every time he bring it up, he's just like the agent.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Yeah. All the time he stays nervous.

[Aisha Morrison]

He seemed like he do not think this is gonna go smoothly right now. Like, how are you feeling?

[Marcus Mosher]

Jeff, Let me ask you this. To me, this is different than the Micah Parsons situation and the fact that you traded a third round pick for Pickens. He got an all pro caliber season out of him and let's say you did turn it into a first round pick. Is that the worst case scenario in the world that you traded a third round pick and now you got a first round pick?

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. But you going backwards?

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, yes.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

How's this team drafted with their first round?

[Marcus Mosher]

That's why I want more Picks. I want more picks here so we can, if we miss, it's okay. We missed only once out of three times.

[Aisha Morrison]

Why would you waste missing when you have a, a proven person?

[Marcus Mosher]

Again, I, I don't want to trade George Pickens, but there is, there is a part of this where the Cowboys had the NFL's most expensive offense in 2025. If you.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Why is that?

[Marcus Mosher]

Because you're, you paid your quarterback 60 million, which to be fair stretch, he outplayed his contract. You played, you paid CD Lamb, you paid Tyler Smith, you paid Jake Ferguson. Is it really wise to invest even more money into the offense? Paying Javante Williams, paying George Pickens when your defense is this bad?

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

I'm just glad you're not in the stockbroker business because you got to keep something stable.

[Aisha Morrison]

Marcus, are you crazy?

[Marcus Mosher]

100 agree again. That's why you're only trading George Pickens if you get a king's ransom. Right? Do I think they're going to do it? No, I don't. But that doesn't mean they're not going to listen to calls if they come.

[Jeff Biggs]

I just, I, I think his agent is going to want him to get paid with a capital P, P, A I D. And I just, I don't know.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Of course, because that's the only way the agent gets paid is if he gets P. Yeah, that's. That, that's a given. But I don't, but you know what, there's got to be somebody else that's going to do that too. There's got to be somebody else that's going to step up. I mean there has to, there has to be a created market for that. My question is, do you really think that after what happened in Pittsburgh, one year in Dallas is going to, is going to get him the capital P A, I D, I, I don't, I don't know that. No.

[Marcus Mosher]

And then we've talked about that before on this podcast that I think his market's going to be limited and I think it's going to be teams that have a lot of cap space that maybe have shaky quarterback situations. And if you're George Pickens, I know that that payday could be really enticing. But staying with an elite offense and a really good quarterback might help you more with your long term value than just chasing a three or four year deal that pays you. Yeah. And how'd that go? He got traded for a third round pick and nobody wanted him.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Right. That's what I'm talking about.

[Marcus Mosher]

Yeah.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

So play with bad Quarterbacks, guess what? You're not getting as many balls. And now is your value being. I mean, being deleted because you're with somebody who can't throw it in the ocean, standing on the beach.

[Marcus Mosher]

Well, and that's why. That's why these players are in a tough spot with their agents, right? Because the agent wants to get them paid right now. Because the agent doesn't necessarily care about three years from now. Because a lot could happen. You could get hurt, your play could decline, the coach could get fired. What you care about is getting paid right now. And you don't always have the player's best situation in mind. We'll see what happens with George Pickens here.

[Jeff Biggs]

Yeah. Hey, like I said, my. My first choice is they both agree. They find a deal they like. They find common ground. They work it out, get a deal, and live happily ever after. And it's all good. And there was nothing to worry about. So that's what I'm hoping my first choice would be.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Where you get one of those flat bills?

[Marcus Mosher]

This would be target. For $5. I'll send you one.

[Jeff Biggs]

Nice.

[Aisha Morrison]

A what? A what? A what?

[Marcus Mosher]

This hat. It's not really flat brim, but that's all right.

[Aisha Morrison]

Oh, the hat. I don't know, y'. All. I just.

[Marcus Mosher]

Stretch just likes to pick on me. Aisha, that's all right. I. I get over.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

How can that be called pick? Jeff, will you step in? With your fatherly skills, how can you call that picking on somebody? When I said, how you get one of those flat.

[Marcus Mosher]

I know. So that's all right. I could take it.

[Tyler Rowland]

I'm not.

[Marcus Mosher]

Listen, Stretch doesn't scare me. We're good.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

You are. The minute you can't be the quarterback, you take your damn ball and go home. The game's over.

[Aisha Morrison]

Can I ask a question?

[Jeff Biggs]

Yes.

[Aisha Morrison]

And that's just an observation I've made. Absolutely not, ma'.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Am.

[Aisha Morrison]

This is just an observation I made. Like, what is the big deal? I understand the salary cap. I understand all these things, but, like, you gotta play good. You gotta pay good players. Why is it so much contentious? I understand the agents and all the hoopla and the decoration and the media fighting. I know that it gets messy, but I'm saying on a base level, if you want to be a good team, you are gonna have to be prepared. You can't have guys come in here like, seriously, George Pickens. You saw he had a one year deal. Prove it. Deal. He freaking proved it. Why is it just this constant? Like, guys have to just keep proving Themselves.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

What I'm saying. What I'm saying is, where does he fit? Where does he fit in the hierarchy of receivers? Where would you place him? Because then that's where his money has to fit. Is he better than. Is he. I mean, I. I mean, we can sit here and go through the exercise, but I'm saying, is he better than. I don't know. Who's your top receiver? JSN right now?

[Marcus Mosher]

Yeah, him or Puka? Jamar Chase. It's probably jsn, Puka and Jamar Chase right now.

[Jeff Biggs]

Yep.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Okay. And then is Jefferson right in there after that?

[Marcus Mosher]

Absolutely. Yes.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah.

[Jeff Biggs]

He just needs.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Now start telling me now after those guys, then where does Pickens fit?

[Marcus Mosher]

I think he's still another. You've got some guys like CD Lamb, who I think is still better than Pickens. I think he's more consistent, but I don't think he's that far off from that tier of receivers.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Right, But I'm just answering. I'm just going on what Aisha is saying that, okay, you gotta. You gotta have those guys and you gotta feel. You gotta feel. And where. You've got really good discernment about how you feel about where those guys are.

[Aisha Morrison]

And that's probably what the area scouts do. Yes. Or that's what those guys are doing. They're looking.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

That's what the pro guys do.

[Aisha Morrison]

What the pro guys do. They're looking at the competition. Engaging. Okay. Even with the production, the stats, the durability, all that stuff comes into play, he is going to be considered. You know what I'm saying is, is even if he's below that tier, like Marcus was just saying, like, okay, you think CD is better? Maybe he's 6, 7th. Whatever the case, may be like 7.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

If.

[Aisha Morrison]

If he's good. Like, what I don't understand, and I'm not necessarily talking about Pickens, I'm talking about a lot of players. It feels like when we come to contract time with guys that you have drafted and developed, they develop. They become what they're supposed to be for your team and you. And it's just this constant fighting sometimes of, like, getting these guys paid. And I know part of it is the agents. I know that. But what I'm also saying is, like, some of this just shouldn't be this difficult to me. And maybe I'm not understanding from the outside looking in, but it's like, the guy earned his contract. He earned it.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Didn't they do that with Smith, the linebacker from Notre Dame? Isn't that what they did and tried to sign him to a long term deal.

[Aisha Morrison]

He hadn't earned it. To me, if you was looking at the same tape I was looking at, he hadn't earned it.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Well, they paid him for some reason. It doesn't matter what you or I say because we don't have to say in the building. But it does matter what they say. And obviously they said something or they wouldn't have paid him. That correct.

[Aisha Morrison]

I think the thing is drop foot, like why would I literally live with what he has? And I don't understand why you would ever believe that the longevity of that player could exist because nerves don't are degenerate. And I know somebody told them that. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm just saying like some of it just doesn't make sense to me. Go ahead, Marcus.

[Marcus Mosher]

No, I was gonna say that teams deal with this across the league of having to make really difficult decisions. Seattle made one last year. DK Metcalf wanted a new contract. He wanted to be paid like one of the top 10 receivers in the league. Seattle didn't want to do that. They wanted to reinvest that money on the defense. So they traded them away for a second round pick to Pittsburgh. They used some of that cash to bring in guys like Demarcus Lawrence and Ernest Jones. Now it's not always going to work out in that scenario, but there are times where you need to re kind of position your spending. And I do wonder at some point if the Cowboys are going to have to have that conversation considering they've got the league's highest paid quarterback, they've got this third highest paid receiver, they've got the NFL's highest paid guard and Tyler Smith. At some point they are going to need to shift some of this money over to defense.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

And don't you think Seattle realized that they had to go get another receiver and that's why he went and got shot. Shahid.

[Marcus Mosher]

Absolutely. But maybe they didn't feel like the difference in 30 million for Metcalf versus a third round pick for Shahid was worth it to keep Metcalf. Right?

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah. And you, like you said, like you said, like I think that's what Dallas and that's what they've echoed, that's what they did with the Micah trade is that they knew that they needed resources specifically on the interior of the defensive line and they were willing to do that. So I understand that in some situations it is necessary for your team building. I get that. But I, but I also don't understand when some guys are no brainers, why does this become like what are we saying to a player when they do all the right things when they come in, you draft them, develop them, they do all the right stuff and you still take them through the ringer when it comes to the contracts. Like, I understand and I know it's complicated, but I just wonder what does that teach a player if they're constantly have to prove their worth even when they have basically earned it, outplayed it a lot of the time? I think it's a bit insulting. I get it. That's just me.

[Jeff Biggs]

Well, I think you're all right. I think, you know what, Coach, you're talking about the structure and Marcus, what you're saying about the difficult decisions. I think, I think in a perfect world that would all work out and everything would be smooth and seamless. And I'm sure there's a spot that the Cowboys would love to have him in, but I think his agent is looking at it like, no, this guy is my guy. I want him to be one of the top receivers, top paid receivers in the NFL. And so can that meet, can they smooth that out and find common ground? I, I just think with the added layer of the Micah situation last season, I just think it's going to be interesting. But I, I to me, best case scenario, they reach a deal, they find common ground, they get a big term deal and it's done and it sets the tone for what will hopefully be a bounce back season. We'll see. All right. When we come back. Speaking of trades, speaking of Micah, I gotta ask you guys about this also. We had a couple Cowboys that did not make it into the hall of fame. Want to get your thoughts on that? And we'll wrap things up with our final segment coming up. This is a real short break. This is the Cowboys squad show.

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[Jeff Biggs]

There it is.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

See?

[Jeff Biggs]

Told you.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

This is a real short bank. So Stretch, don't you Step away. See, you hear that parenting right there.

[Aisha Morrison]

It was really gentle. The most gentle parenting ever.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Step away, Stretch.

[Jeff Biggs]

The truth with love. All right, so Micah Parsons found his way in front of a microphone during the week, and according to Mike Shocker, according to Micah, there were talks between the Cowboys and the Eagles for Jalen Carter. Do you. Do you believe that? Do you think that was really real, a possibility at one point that the Cowboys would have done a trade with the Eagles?

[Marcus Mosher]

I'm gonna start with this. I'll start with this, Jeff. I think I know Micah a little bit. I think Micah has something that as a parent, we call selective memory. Like I have. I asked my daughter if she ate three cookies. She said she might say, I don't remember. Right. Well, Michael, you know, when he got traded, said he was blindsided by the trade.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

It's called selective amnesia.

[Marcus Mosher]

Exactly right. Micah said he was blindsided by the trade. He never saw it coming. And now it was, ah, well, I wanted to go with the Eagles, but, you know, if they. Jalen Carter was part of the trade. I told them I wasn't going. And that was all. There were some of these teams. No, I picked Green Bay because I really like the culture and the vibes. He also made a comment that he didn't talk to Jerry Jones since that March meeting. And there's pretty clearly a video of him at training camp walking around for 25 minutes talking to Jerry Jones. Not sure that we should put a lot of trust into what Micah says into a microphone.

[Aisha Morrison]

I like how Michael play, but I don't really listen to him talk.

[Marcus Mosher]

That's fine.

[Jeff Biggs]

Oh, nice.

[Aisha Morrison]

Not. Not when I talk. I'm just talking about these mis.

[Marcus Mosher]

Things.

[Aisha Morrison]

I'm just not. It be confusing me. So I just kind of. So you know what s. Green Bay. Green Bay's finest.

[Marcus Mosher]

I think Micah likes to talk is what it is. And then sometimes when you talk a lot and listen, I've done this on the podcast, you forget what you say and you forget what you exaggerated or what you undersold, and it's kind of hard to go back and remember all the different things you said.

[Aisha Morrison]

So he keep you guessing. They keep you entertained. You keep still on your toes. So, yeah, that's just Micah. Well, I mean, they was. When was the. I wonder when this was. Because they did. They did say that when Dallas was looking for. To trade Micah is that they were looking for teams with defensive tackles and a defensive tackle had to go. I don't think that they have a Problem with Jalen Carter over there though. Enough to be like bye bye.

[Marcus Mosher]

No. And we, we've heard that Jerry Jones like Quinn and Williams and they, Jerry says that they almost traded Micah for Quinn in and every Jet source said that wasn't the case at all. It's one, it's one of these things. It's like Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game. Everybody said they were there watching it now. Everybody had a great offer for Micah Parsons and he had all these teams where he was wanting to go. And I think the further that we get removed from it, the bigger the story will grow.

[Jeff Biggs]

Sounds good, right? So we found out the hall of Fame finalists and those that are in the class, but two Cowboys did not make it. Darren Woodson and Jason Whitten, who I personally think are both hall of Famers.

[Marcus Mosher]

Stretch, which one do you think is more deserving of the hall of Fame?

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

You know, I, I believe Woodson because I think he really revolutionized what this downhill safety that could make checks who could play center field, who, you know, transition from being a linebacker at Arizona State. That's not taking anything away from Jason Whitten because I think absolutely Jason Whitten should have been a first ballot hall of Famer and certainly Woodson should be, should be in. I look, you're going to draw me off sides with this because the, no, I mean the Belichick situation is unbelievable. It really is. It's unbelievable. But I just think there's something wrong, there's something skewed in the voting. There's something wrong with the process because I feel it's a bias against the Cowboys a lot of times. And there's no question both of those guys are hall of Fame football players. Without question.

[Marcus Mosher]

I, I, for me it's Woodson too, because you watch that game on Sunday. You think Darren Woodson couldn't fit in that Seattle defense, playing in the slot, playing as a linebacker, blitzing off the edge. I mean he could do it all. He was one of the first safeties that could come down and cover in the slot. And that's what made those Dallas defenses in the 90s so good. And I don't think people realize this is the Cowboys all time leading tackler. He was on the all decade team. And again, Jason Whitten's got a really good case. I think Darren Woodson was arguably the best defensive player on those 90 teams. I think he should have been in the hall of Fame a long time ago. And the fact that two kickers have made it since Darren Woodson, you know, has even been, you know, close to being a finalist is ridiculous.

[Aisha Morrison]

Yeah, I think it's disrespectful just because of everything y' all just said. It is. We sit here and we watch safeties do the things that he really put in place. And I just think it's. I find it disrespectful. I. I mean, and I also too, I always think about what current players feel like seeing some of these votes because that's what they're working towards. That's what they want to be looked at as. And plenty of guys, when you reference that Cowboys team in the 90s, talk about Darren Woodson and his dominance and what he was able to do. So it's like. And him being a leader. So is there are young guys in our league that chasing after that. And if they're seeing this, it seems like there's some tough opinions about what's going on. I'm. People are starting to ask some serious questions about what. What are even the qualifications? Can we see the spark notes? What is it supposed to be? Because some of these aren't making sense to even some of the greatest football minds. So how do you guys think that they address what's happening right now? Because this is not just Darren Woodson. I mean, we're seeing discrepancies with a lot of different coaches that people feel and players feel like they should be in the Hall. How do you guys think they should address it?

[Marcus Mosher]

As, as somebody who's talked to several of the voters in there, there's. First of all, it's a really old group of voters, and that doesn't mean that being old is. Means you're a bad voter. But there's, there's about 20 voters in there that just kind of stop following the NFL or don't follow it as closely as they should. And they've got pretty direct biases to guys that have made the hall of Fame this year. I think it would really benefit the hall to revamp some of the voters. And again, that does not mean having a bunch of 20 and 30 year olds. That's not what I mean. But I'm saying get some people who are more active in it that are following it, that are covering not just one team as a beat reporter, but are watching all 32 teams. I think that would really go a long way into having some healthy discussions from just because what I've heard, they weren't even discussing some of these guys for more than five or 10 minutes. And that's Just disrespectful to guys like Jason Whitten and Darren Woodson, who had awesome NFL careers.

[Aisha Morrison]

I knew it was disrespectful. I could sense it.

[Jeff Biggs]

Usually, I mean, don't they have a beat writer from each city that makes a case for the players?

[Marcus Mosher]

So what it is, is you've got 32 beat reporters or from. From your city, then you've got 18 at large voters, and those are usually like. Like this year, it's like Tony Dungey. It's some guys, you know, you know, in the media or I think Lisa Salters is one. And the problem is, is if you get a beat reporter from, let's say, Kansas City that only, you know, sees their team play the Cowboys once every four years, they might not know just how good Darren Woodson is. And one of the. The knocks on Woodson is he doesn't have a lot of interceptions. So if you go to his pro Football reference page, the stats aren't there. But again, anybody who watched those 90 teams knows the kind of impact Darren Woodson had. I just think we can maybe find a better process of picking the top five guys for the hall of Fame.

[Jeff Biggs]

Yeah, and I loved Charles Haley when he was in his prime. Man, he was fun to watch.

[Marcus Mosher]

It's also crazy.

[Jeff Biggs]

Yeah, I know a little bit better.

[Marcus Mosher]

I'm sure coach can give us some good Charles Haley stories at some point.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Now, I'm gonna drop me off slides tonight.

[Marcus Mosher]

I want to make sure that we can stay on YouTube and we don't. We don't get in trouble here. So.

[Jeff Biggs]

So let me ask you this, a parting question before we go. So all that we talked about, I think there's no big mystery. We know where the needs are for the Cowboys on defense, I would think. Right. I'm not being funny here. The. The organization, the Jones, they get that, right? They. They understand where they're at, where their offense is and where their defense was. They've made a ton of coaching changes, but hopefully there'll be. I guess what I'm saying is there'll be a sense of urgency to really not waste another year of this offense and Dak being healthy and try to get this defense turned around as much as possible.

[Marcus Mosher]

You would hope so, Jeff, but I'm telling you right now, we're about a month away from people in our business starting to say the Cowboys should draft a running back at pick number 12. I'm just telling you, don't. Don't be surprised when that happens. And we're all going to lose our collective minds.

[Aisha Morrison]

Marcus, please.

[Marcus Mosher]

I'm just saying we don't need a running back here at 12. It's. That's ridiculous. Get it out of your head, please. You should. Don't even tell me that you've thought about it.

[Aisha Morrison]

No, no. Only in stupid mock draft scenarios and stuff, and I hate those. Yeah, no, no.

[Marcus Mosher]

We're not drafting a running back in the first round. I'm just telling you right now.

[Aisha Morrison]

And there's only like one that's even.

[Marcus Mosher]

Yeah, we're just. We're not entertaining the thought about trading.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

A quarterback and drafting one of those.

[Aisha Morrison]

Oh, my God. He's.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

He's.

[Aisha Morrison]

He trying. He'd be trying to start stuff.

[Marcus Mosher]

Hold on. You say me drawing you off sides, what is that?

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

I just. You know, every once in a while. Every once in a while, you gotta change the lure and cast it out. You fish. I mean, every once in a while, you just gotta see if you can cast something else out there and see.

[Marcus Mosher]

If you can get another bad bait right there.

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Another guppy on the line.

[Marcus Mosher]

Jeff, I think that's our cue. I think we're good now when we're talking about trading Dak, we're good.

[Aisha Morrison]

I do. Oh, it just hit me.

[Marcus Mosher]

That's a stretch trying to trade our quarterback.

[Tyler Rowland]

What?

[Aisha Morrison]

Why would you gotta do that, man? Oh, yeah. It's time. You need to take a nap. Nap?

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

Yeah. At 7:00 o'clock at night? Yeah, 7:00 clock at night. I'm gonna take a nap.

[Jeff Biggs]

All right, before we go, Aisha start with you. What do you got coming up this week?

[Aisha Morrison]

Oh, yes, sir. I will be on the stack tomorrow with Brian Broadus and Zach Woolchuck of 105.3 the Fan. I think we're getting into tight end this week because they ain't got no love, really, in the draft. So I'm trying to get the Titans some love this week. So catch us at. The show will air at 3pm Central Time on Tuesday and Thursday and I'll be back here with you gentlemen on Thursday as well.

[Jeff Biggs]

Awesome. Look forward to that. Marcus, what about you? Aside from.

[Marcus Mosher]

Yeah, well, no, but we're going to get to our top. We're going to start with some draft profiles. Starting on our Tuesday show, we're going to tell you who the best Ohio State defender is in this draft and how they would fit in with the Cowboys. So be on the lookout for that.

[Jeff Biggs]

Nice. All right, we look forward to that. Marcus moser and Landon McCool on the daily Lock On Cowboys podcast. Coach, have a great radio week. Any TV stuff happening for you?

[Glenn Stretch Smith]

No. Last one last night, so we're gonna get a push away from it a little bit.

[Jeff Biggs]

Okay. All right. Well, always a blessing for me to be a part of this. Thank you guys. Thanks for all, all of your input. Thank you to everybody watching and listening live and for those that listen later. We'll be back with you again on Thursday night. So please be sure and join us then. This has been the Cowboys squad show.

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