
COWBOYS SQUAD SHOW: What kind of changes can the Cowboys make ahead of MNF, and less than a week to go before the NFL trade deadline?
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And it truly is a show that does not need an introduction, but we like to give you one anyway. Welcome to another edition of the Cowboy Squad Show. We say welcome to the co hosts of the Daily Lockdown Cowboys Podcast. The one and only Daily Cowboys Lockdown Podcast. Marcus mosier and Landon McCool. Good to have you both back with us. And of course the former Cowboys coach Glenn Stretch Smith. Today's episode is brought to you by GameTime. Download the GameTime app and create an account use code LOCKDOWN NFL for $20 off your first purchase. Well after the Mile High meltdown, it is gut check time again for the Cowboys as we hit the halfway Point of the season. We're great to be with you here for the next hour. Lots to get to. We've got the Monday night matchup coming up with Kyler Murray and the Cardinals. Just when you thought the Trayvon Diggs situation could not get any weirder, it did. We're going to get into that. And as coach mentioned a moment ago, the NFL trade deadline is now less than a week away. Coming up next week. All right, so let's get to it, guys. Want to start with the two of you. Lots of blame to go around after the Mile High manhandle. Where do you want to begin?
Marcus Moser
Go ahead, Landon. I want you to start.
Landon McCool
Oh, boy. So nice of you. I, you know, I think it's, it's, it's pretty familiar culprits, right? The defense was terrible once again. And I think that that's obviously the, the standard where we are right now. It felt like they regressed even further from, from where they were previous. And yeah, now you're looking at a situation where I think, you know, we talked about it the, the previous week that, that this was a litmus test game. It was a measuring stick game. And, and you know, if you're holding yourself to it, they did not measure up well at all. And so, yeah, I think it changes the kind of tenor and tone of the season. It certainly can change, you know, where you feel like you are in relation to being a team that, that should be making a trade to compete and, and how you, you're going to relate to the, the trade deadline as it comes up. But I do think that we can pretty firmly put to bed the idea that the Cowboys are going to greatly improve this defense by making a trade. I think, you know, even if they did make a trade, I'm not saying they won't make a trade, but even if they did make a trade, I think what we've pretty clearly established is that this team is more than a player or two away from making this a tolerable defense.
Marcus Moser
Just watch us. Watching the film this week, you saw a lot of the Cowboys youth like they are. I think they're the second youngest team in the NFL. They're very banged up on defense. At one point, I think someone said they were without seven defensive backs and you really felt that when guys like Ready Stewart are out there playing safety and that kind of stuff. Like you felt the, the, the, the youth and they've got a first year head coach. I know he's older. It's those type of games when you're Going on the road against a seasoned coach like Sean Payton where things can unravel fast. And it felt like they did because they were in this game really up until right about to halftime. Right. They had a chance to cut the lead down to three going into halftime or to maybe cut it down to seven and they stalled out and Dak threw an interception and everything just went downhill from there. And that happens when you play these road games. We just need to remember this is a very young team and I think we're, I don't, we can't say we're in a rebuild because you don't really rebuild with a 60 million dollar your quarterback. That's a ding for you Stretch. That's I talked about before you did. But I, I, I, I think that's where we are. We're, we're at a team that's rebuilding and this is kind of the process of getting there. It's getting your butt whooped on the road.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Re rebuilding on one side of the ball. Yes.
Marcus Moser
Well, I mean when you trade away your best player four days before the game or for the, before week one for multiple first round picks. Yeah. And they've got a bunch of cap space like this is clearly a rebuild.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Right. So I mean we were talking earlier today and you know, I'll ask you. So if you look at the guys who have spent big money on these defensive ends, okay, so you got Micah, he, they're obviously winning. Aiden Hutchinson winning. T.J. watt, they're bad on defense. Miles Garrett, not getting it done. Daniel Hunter, I mean Houston arguably can't get to 500. Crosby, Bosa Hendrickson, it is, it makes sense go spend that kind of money on a defensive end. Or did it make sense for them to start this rebuild process on defense? You know, I don't think you got, you look at a trade right now for necessarily this year if you can get the right player that fits into your system for a couple of years as you approach the trade deadline. I'm 100% fine with that. I don't think you can just assume that this team can load up with draft picks and, and trust after oh by the way, who, who have they drafted defensively recently? That's, I mean that's, that's contributing. I mean I'm saying and you can go back a long ways, go all the way Back to maybe DeMarcus Lawrence.
Marcus Moser
Or Micah, but that's fine. But real quick, stretch, real quick, I don't think you're ruling out trading like a sixth or seventh round pick for defense fell. I think what you're talking about is like pay, paying a first or second round pick for a big money player. I think you're kind of against that right now.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Yeah, I mean, I'm saying I don't know what it would take to explore getting a safety in here. Whether it's Minka Fitzpatrick or Grant Delpit or. I don't know what necessarily Cincinnati is going to want for Hendrickson. I mean, I, I don't know that, but I do know this, that the process has got to get going and they got to start getting some guys on this football team, even if it is for next year, going through what you're calling a rebuild.
Landon McCool
Yeah, I think, I think for me, I, I completely agree. Like, I, I think for me, like it's, it's what I've ruled out at this point is like the hope that you're going to get, you know, make a couple of trades and greatly improved this defense to the point where they're continuing this year. But I told completely I'm on board with using these picks. In fact, I, I will say this. I think I'm more on board with using one of these picks for trading for a veteran player of known quantity than using all, than drafting with all four picks. Right. Speaking of specifically of the first round picks. But I, I do think that there's something to the idea that, you know, because if we're talking about Windows and we are talking about like, you know, how different the, the two sides of the ball are, you're trying to, I mean, it's not just a rebuild in the sense that, you know, Blue sky, we can do whatever we want. Like let's go out and just draft best players. You're specifically rebuilding on the defense. So you need to find resource, you need to use your resources to find players that can help you in, in the allotted window in which you have dac, in which you have cd, you know, and potentially, you know, if they resign Pickens maybe in a similar window which you have Pickens as well. Right. So I think that that's kind of where I'm at is yeah, absolutely, I'm on board with making a trade. I think what I've completely ruled out is an idea of making a trade with, with only this year in mind and, and, and trading instead for someone that can play, plan to build around to, to be here long term to kind of help with the growth of this defense.
Marcus Moser
We actually got a really good question from Jack in the chat right now. He said, I think you Guys are missing the point. I don't know if we're missing it, but should you be trading away assets, big time assets, for a defensive player that you don't even know who fits your scheme yet because you don't know who the defensive coordinator is going to be in 2026? And honestly I was thinking that, I don't think that's necessarily a bad idea. I mean, I would hope that if you're trading a first or second round pick, you're getting a player that can.
Landon McCool
Fit just about non scheme specific player. Right, right.
Marcus Moser
But there are players that fits, you know, certain schemes that are worth that, first or second round picks. And like. Can I give you an example real quick?
Landon McCool
Please.
Marcus Moser
There's a, there's a pass rusher in Pittsburgh right now, Nick Herbig, who our friend John owning and I have liked for a long time, but he's a 240 pound defensive end that is an awesome, awesome pass rusher. If you trade a second round pick for him, but then you bring in a defensive coordinator next year who only likes these big defensive ends, then I'm not sure that it's worth it. So it, I, I think they just need to be careful here.
Landon McCool
Yeah, I mean, I mean if you're.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Not gonna, I mean Pittsburgh, they play an odd 34 scheme, so if you're gonna, if you're gonna compare that, then you kind of already have that 240 pound defensive end in Ezraku. Right? I mean, so if you're going to change and you're going to plan on running an odd front, Okie, front 34, whatever you want to call it, I think then, then that's fine. But I don't think they know that right now. I'd much more be inclined to say, you know, you have pretty good box safeties with the Cowboys. You need a, you need a ball hawk. Now I don't, I don't know who that is because I don't sit and study all these other teams that much. But I think you, you gotta think that this team has to start somewhere with making progress to 20, 26 on the defensive side because they've shown you eight weeks what they are. I mean, I mean, and I, I get it. Would Diggs look better at corner? Yeah, they'd be better corner if they had him, if they had a healthy him. But I, I mean, I, I mean I'm, I'm, I'm here to say that I, my gut feeling is I think he's probably played his last game as a Dallas Cowboy.
Landon McCool
Real quick, just to go back to the defensive coordinator thing, I think it would be a huge mistake for the Cowboys to change systems. They're going to change systems, they're going to have a new defense quarter. But I think it would be a big mistake to go to a 3, 4 simply, not only because, like, it's such a monumental shift from what you've been doing, and you've already had problems making the small adjustments between the. These defensive coordinators that you've had. So I, I think you have to find a situation where you can get a defensive coordinator who can vary that's aligned a lot with kind of some of the principles that you've had for these last few defensive coordinators as best you can. And, and then, you know, hopefully the learning curve won't be so severe, because if you come in here and you completely start over with a. With a completely new, different type of defense, all you're doing is further extending the. The. The learning curve of that defense. And on top of that, I mean, you know, you're not going to have necessarily the players to fit that kind of system because that certainly hasn't been what you've been drafting for. This isn't a commentary on coach. This is a commentary about the players, like, about the Cowboys and about their inability to hold on to a defensive coordinator for more than a season these last few years and the kind of fallout from that. And I think that that's something that needs to be accounted for here a little bit as well.
Jeff Biggs
All right, so let me ask you this. Along those lines, head coach Brian Schottenheimer, after the bad performance, vowed that there's going to be big changes. But. But realistically, what. What changes can he actually make? And then when he was asked about that again, he said, well, it's really execution. So what does that mean?
Marcus Moser
Play better, right? I think it's. It's as simple as that. Now, I think there's some changes that could potentially happen, like guys seeing reduced snap counts, right? Maybe not completely being taken out of the lineup, but, you know, having some of these snaps distributed in different ways. And honestly, we saw that a little bit against Denver. Someone like Sam Williams, who has been, you know, getting 35 or 40 snaps a game, I think he was down to like 14 or so this week. And maybe that's what you see across the board. Maybe you see Duron Bland go back to the outside and ready Stewart play in the slot. So that way you can get, you know, better coverage on the outside. I. They're kind of running out of options for changes they can make. You can only do so much mid season. We did hear Brian Schottenheimer say that some of the bigger changes that they're going to make are going to happen after the buy. We'll see. I, I'm not overly optimistic about that, though.
Landon McCool
I mean, they're not new. Installing a new defense, like, you know, like, it's not, it's not like that. But I, I think. And when I think, you know, coach says it comes down to execution, I mean, I think that's. It always comes down to execution.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Right?
Landon McCool
Like, so it's a matter of, like, how do you get your players to execute better? Is it not. Have you not taught them the system well enough? Is it about getting a player in there that will execute the system a little bit better than previously? I think execution, you know, is. Doesn't always necessarily mean, hey, this player that's been playing this whole time needs to just play better sometimes. It's about, you know, some consequences for not executing right. That could be. And, and getting other players more up to speed and maybe taking that extra week to get some of these players that may be kind of stepping into new roles, a little bit of extra time working with the ones as they kind of transition into those new roles.
Glenn Stretch Smith
I mean, let me, Excuse me. Let me ask you, Marcus, do you, do you question the effort on defense when you watch the film? No.
Marcus Moser
I mean, there's a couple of guys. Not too much. Overall. No, I would say I don't.
Glenn Stretch Smith
I think, I think the point I'm making is you, defense is about lining up correctly, communicating, playing with the correct leverage and chasing the crap out of the football. That's really all it is. And then when you get there, you get there with the bad intention. Now, do the cowboys get there at times with Leopale and instead of wrapping up, the first thing he wants to do is punch at the football? I mean, to me, the first guy that gets there better get there with bad intentions, looking to get the guy on the ground. I don't see, I don't see the things, to me, that are very day one things when you start talking about defense. It's the first time I'd seen them play with the correct leverage when they played against the commanders. I mean, literally the first time I'd seen them play with the correct leverage. Why does it take that long? What, what were they teaching during OTAs? What were they teaching during minicamp? The hell were you doing out there? And California stand around thumbing? I Mean, that's what it looks like. I'm just telling you. And it's frustrating. It's frustrating as a fan and it's got to be frustrating for everybody to look at that and see that it's, it's hard to watch. And I don't care, I don't care who you're playing with. Play with the correct technique. That, that's not hard to do. And so I, you know, I'm, I'm a, I've been in this profession my whole life and I think the easiest thing to do is criticize what's going on. From a coaching standpoint, however, I'm telling you that I, when I just put the film on, there's so many things that I don't like. Head placement, hand placement, first step, all of the little things that are very hard to watch.
Landon McCool
Yeah, I mean, I agree. I think it's, it's, it's a very, and it's, this is what we've been saying for weeks, right, in this show, in our shows that it's, it's not like a simple case of, of oh, the other guy was better than you and just beat you or, or you know, got to the corner a couple different times. It's consistent, just bad football, like just not executing football. And yeah, I think, you know, again, I think Schottenheimer being judicious and being the head coach of the team can say execution and, and without having to say man, it's, it's about certain players not executing properly and that's the execution that needs to improve. But I mean it's, it's not shocking when you turn on the tape and you see the same three, four players screwing up, you know, almost every single snap or playing with weird technique that no one else in the, the, the team is playing with at the time and, and, and then they continue to get on the field and continue to take snaps. It's not surprising that when that happens that you're continuing to see a lack of fundamental football. Right. So to me, you know, I think I would rather see these younger guys get more opportunities and probably screw it up, but it hopefully screw it up and then learn and improve as opposed to watching a six year vet who still hasn't gotten it after all these years and still isn't doing the right thing or at least forgot it all before this season somehow and, and week in and week out, you know, consistently putting bad football out there. I mean, I, I think at this point, especially where we are in the season and, and where the the team is let me see the young guys like get the give these guys snaps to see if they can play better football, at least execute what the coaches are asking them to do a little bit better than some of the guys we've seen out there.
Jeff Biggs
All right, with that said, one guy we're not going to see is Trayvon Diggs. Has he played his last game with the Cowboys? We'll update you on what's going on with that whole situation and again, we'll get you ready for Monday night with the Cardinals. This is the Cowboys Squad Show.
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Marcus Moser
Yeah, I remember the first time Trayvon injured his knee. It was right before the Cardinals game back in 2023. He heard it in practice. Cowboys went out to lose that game against Josh Dobbs. I remember it very well, sitting in a hospital watching that game. It was a decent day. My son was born on that day, but it could have been better. Let's just put it lightly. I don't know what's going on with Trayvon Diggs. I. I don't. I think it feels very weird with the concussion that he suffered at home. He's still in phase one. According to Brian Schottenheimer, there were some whispers. Well, I think so. They came from Jerry Jones that he wasn't fully healthy. And then there was a tweet by Calvin Watkins that said that he might need knee surgery at the end of the year. But then another breath, it was, hey, but maybe rest will fix this knee up. Which, it's worth mentioning that Trayvon Diggs does not have an agent right now. And I think if you have an agent, maybe you can put some more positive spin out there about what's going on or you can clear some stuff up. It just all feels very much like it's in the air. And honestly, my read of this whole thing is I think the Cowboys are actually protecting Diggs from himself a little bit, because whatever happened with the concussion, it's. It's clearly something embarrassing that happened with Diggs, and they don't want to make Diggs look bad. Right. And so they're. They're trying to cover up. I think they're trying to let him get healthy so that when he does play either this year or following years, he can get back to the least the level that we saw a year ago. But this is a very murky situation right now.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Murky?
Landon McCool
The. The Digs relationship with the Cowboys is fascinating. Right. Because it's just like, I cannot get a read on it at all. I don't disagree with what Marcus is saying. Like, I do feel like there is a certain amount of this that I think where. Where early on, it felt like there was part of this was about animosity and about being angry and the two sides not getting along. I. I do tend to agree that. I think that this is maybe a case where the Cowboys are trying to, like, protect Diggs from himself a little bit because they have handled the. The. The. The concussion situation oddly. Obviously, we've talked about that last week as well. That. That. The. Just the way that they've spoken about it and the way that. That, you know, they portrayed it in the media, it's Been very odd. But it also hasn't been. What's the word I'm looking for? Like, it hasn't been, like, leading. They're not implying that something nefarious is happening. We're drawing those, all those, those conclusions because we're not getting enough information. Yeah, but, but they're not like, going out of their way to be like, hey, I don't know, don't know what's going on. If anything, they're being like, no, no, you know, we think he'll be, I think he'll be back. We're just trying to get him some, you know, some time to get healthy. So I don't know. I mean, I, I feel, I mean.
Marcus Moser
I think Landon, if something, if it wasn't embarrassing. Trayvon's in that locker room, he could have just told a reporter what was going on.
Landon McCool
Right, Absolutely.
Marcus Moser
But I think the fact that we're almost three weeks in and we haven't heard a peep.
Landon McCool
Exactly.
Marcus Moser
I think suggests maybe it wasn't something embarrassing. Maybe it was something he wasn't supposed to be doing. I'll give you an example. There's been a lot of times in, even back in the 90s where players, I remember there was a pitcher that got in trouble for playing basketball. He wasn't supposed to be playing basketball. He injured his ankle. And then from now on, all these guys have in their contracts that they're not allowed to be playing basketball. Maybe it was something like that. Diggs was playing a sport that he wasn't supposed to be playing. That's how he got shadow boxing. Well, shadow boxing. Right. And instead of going on NFI with a non football injury where you don't get paid, the Cowboys are protecting him a little bit, giving him his paycheck, allowing him to get healthy for the knees so they can maybe get him back by Thanksgiving.
Landon McCool
Yeah, just real quick, I, I mean, the guy that I saw come out of the media and, and said that the, the Cowboys, you know, are, are doing his dog wrong. A famous football player that the Cowboys recently had that traded away to a team in Green Bay. You know, it's pretty funny to kind of hear him come out and speak on that when I've literally witnessed that same player punch the Trayvon Diggs in the head several times during a practice just for fun. So, yeah, I mean, there certainly is a chance that this is like something that wasn't supposed to be happening but isn't, like illegal or nefarious. But they're still just trying to protect, you know, Diggs from an embarrassing situation. Who knows at this point?
Glenn Stretch Smith
I mean, with the, with, with the way that the demand is on, you know, anybody that can cover right now. Would it surprise you if the Cowboys look to move him out of here before Tuesday?
Landon McCool
I mean, nothing's surprising at this point. Right?
Marcus Moser
I just. Who's going to trade for a corner that they can't play for three weeks at least?
Glenn Stretch Smith
I don't know. I don't call the other 31. I mean, I don't know that. I don't.
Landon McCool
Well, I, I think even a hypothetical situation, Coach, there's not going to be a lot of people. You know, there are, I think there.
Marcus Moser
Are one or two teams out there that would, would consider it, but you're talking about like a sixth, seventh round pick swap with Dallas eating a bunch of money. And at that point, you're just better off holding on to Diggs and hoping that he gets healthy by Turkey Day.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Yeah, I think this is a guy that's got, I mean, obviously he doesn't get along with what's going on in the training room. Obviously he's not in, he's not in. In link step with how they rehabbed him. What they do from a rehab standpoint, whether it's a personal issue or not, I don't know. But it, this thing has, it feels eerily like the Micah deal where it's just drifting away and it's just drifting farther away. I don't care what you get for him. I, I don't know. I, I don't know all that. I, I don't even like to speak on those kind of things because I don't know. I'm just, I'm simply saying that it, it feels like that there's a possibility, like that this ship is sailed and it's only a matter of time before whatever they do with it.
Landon McCool
I think you're right, but I think the difference is the situation, right? Like the situation where, you know, Diggs is on a deal with his contract that's, that's, you know, that he's already been paid these. He's, you know, he's not the same caliber of player. I mean, he was never really the same caliber of player that Micah was. Right. And now his value is about as low. And I'm not arguing that he won't get back to a good form a year from now or something, but right now, where he is, this value is cratered. Right. He's injured. He hasn't played well when he was, when he was healthy. So I just feel like in a conversation like when we're talking about, would you trade for this player? And then we talk about the nitty gritty of the details, including contract and like what it takes for a trade and the player's current situation. I think in the nitty gritty of the details, that's the major difference between these two situations where, yeah, there may be that same level of animosity, but the difference is, is that you're not going to get two first round picks for trading Trayvon Diggs. You're not going to get, you know, almost anything. And, and what you'll end up doing is probably losing money on the situation. And so for the Cowboys, it's ultimately like, that's probably not worth it for them.
Marcus Moser
It's just really sad because this is a corner that just turned 27 in September. These should be his prime years, 26, 27, 28. And instead we've got the last two years of 2023, missed the whole year, 2024, missed a lot of time when he got back, wasn't the same. And then this year, another injury plague season. And you can't predict this when you sign a guy to a big contract, right? Like, it's just a lot of bad luck. But with these corners, and we, we see this all the time, they're so reliant on speed and quickness and if you lose just a fraction of your athleticism, it can disappear like that. And it, it's felt like that for Diggs when we've seen him on the field. And now I wonder if he does need to get surgery on his knee, what is he going to look like in 2026 and is it even worth trying to figure out or, you know, save this situation? I don't know.
Jeff Biggs
I have to say too, just for whatever, it's worth it, it to me anyway, maybe it's just me, but I find it remarkable that in this day and age, with a hundred people that cover the team, you know, 200 different cowboy shows and everything else, that three weeks we have not heard one peep about really what's going on, other than little comments that Jerry Jones has made.
Landon McCool
Well, I mean, to be honest, like, I think there's also still the possibility that, that Trayvon Diggs does not know what happened. Right. Like, I think we still have to explore that possibility. I mean, for still what we've heard. Trayvon Diggs just walked into the, the, the Star, you know, the next day and then got evaluated based on his symptoms. Not necessarily that he went up to the medical staff and said, hey, I got a concussion or hey, this happened. And, and I think, look, I know that sounds like an outrageous theory, but it also fits all the other weirdness here, right? Like including the, the kind of conversational stuff from the owners where they're like, we're still trying to figure out what's happening. And Jerry Jones at one point said, sometimes the person that's involved with these situations is not always the best witness to what happened. And to me, if you read the line between the lines there, that's either I think Trayvon Diggs is lying and we want to get somebody else's opinion or, or maybe Trayvon doesn't remember what's happening, which honestly is scary. And I don't, and I hate even mentioning that, but I think it's a real possibility here.
Jeff Biggs
Yeah, that's fair. All right, we'll leave it at that and stay tuned. We'll see what happens with Trayvon Diggs. And as coach said, we'll see if, see if he's played his final game with the Cowboys. But we know that he will not be there on Monday night. Won't be there for a couple more weeks at least. All right, when we come back, let's start to look ahead of the Arizona Cardinals. We, we've talked a lot about the defense. I want to talk to you guys, get your thoughts on the offense and kind of what happened. I mean, like I said, a lot of blame to go around with, with what happened on Sunday. But I want to tell you my offensive disappointment and see what you guys think. We'll do that when we come back. This is the Cowboys squad show. Cowboys getting ready for the Cardinals here on lockdown.
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Glenn Stretch Smith
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Marcus Moser
Yeah, it was a real bummer considering that Patrick certain went out I think was the first, first drive of the game and then he got banged up a little bit later and didn't play at all in the second half. Arguably their best, linebacker, Dre Greenlaw, he was suspended for this game because of an incident the following or the the previous week. So they're without two of their top four or five players and they still overwhelmed you. Now, I think we shouldn't base anything off of one game sample size. Right? Because I think if you play that game 10 times, the offense looks better. Nine out of the 10 times. Right. But I think it did show you, like, hey, the way to stop the Cowboys is if you can get that pressure with your front four, which Denver clearly did, man, that you can do a lot to help slow down these receivers. And I think really taking away Jake Ferguson, we don't talk about Jake Ferguson enough as a big part of the, the passing game, but taking away all of the middle of the field action made it really hard for Dallas to throw the football in this game. So I thought Denver had a really good game plan. The Cowboys offense had a bad day and it happens.
Landon McCool
Yeah, I think, you know, the, the run game issues obviously reared their ugly head as well. It did, it just, it did not help that they were not able to have an efficient run game for most of, the, most of the game. And again, like, I think, you know, Denver is more than just a good defense. I mean, it's, it's, they're on pace to potentially break the, the, the single season record for sacks. I mean, they're, they're pressuring the quarterback at a historic rate. Playing in Denver is, you know, known to be very difficult. So let's, let's not underrate those aspects of that as well. And then on top of that, I mean, look, you didn't get BB Back the way you thought you were gonna get him back this week, so you had another week with, with Hoffman, who I think did fine. But ultimately, at the end of the day, like, there's a reason that you want that interior trio back so that you can kind of help get a more efficient running game and then protect the front of that pocket a little bit better. And then again, like, it's, it's incredibly difficult for this offense to serve two masters. Right? And that's ultimately what you're asking this offense to do almost every single week, right? You're asking them to score points while also protecting the defense and possessing the ball. And if you can't run the football and you can't throw the football over the middle of the field, pretty difficult thing to do, right? They're, they're asking Dak to make high leverage throws to the outside in order to kind of consistently move the, the ball and keep the chains moving. So I think what, what was being asked of this offense was incredibly ridiculously difficult. They certainly didn't live up to what we were expecting. But I also think that, you know, yeah, they're allowed to have a bad week for. For God's sakes. And. And I can't be shocked that. That it was against, you know, a really good defense that was able to put them into scenarios that really was to their disadvantage.
Glenn Stretch Smith
I mean, this. Look. This is a. This is an odd front team there. Here's your 34 look. They're five down, and we saw what they did to give Dallas tackles some problems. Here's kind of how I saw the game in a nutshell. Denver gets the ball. They run rp. They. They. They. They run. They run lead for seven. They run an option to Ingram for seven. First down for whatever reason, they call rpo and it gets picked. Okay, Dallas gets a pick. It's a poor throw. Dallas takes the ball. They run flat to span forward for nine. Williams picks up two on a draw. They run a zone to Williams for nine. They throw a deep shot. Incomplete. They run a zone to Williams on first, and I think it was a PI. They run a zone then to Williams on first and goal to get one. They run a drag to pick and just incomplete. They false start. Then he tries to throw the slant to the trip side. It's incomplete. I think he read. I think he read the defense wrong. I think he could have gone backside to Pickens. Anyway, they have to kick a field goal. Denver gets the football back, and on the third play where they have a chance to go three and out, Houston lines up offsides. Jeff Biggs. Did you hear what I said?
Landon McCool
Yeah.
Glenn Stretch Smith
He lined up offsides.
Jeff Biggs
That was a game.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Offsides.
Landon McCool
Yeah.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Eight games into the season.
Marcus Moser
You say that again. I didn't quite hear it.
Glenn Stretch Smith
His ass up off sides.
Jeff Biggs
Yep.
Glenn Stretch Smith
It's inexcusable.
Jeff Biggs
Killer.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Now they go score. You get the football back. Guy gets whipped inside on third, down you go three and out they go score. It's a 14:3 football game. The game is over. It's over.
Landon McCool
They.
Glenn Stretch Smith
They can say what they want. I didn't like the halftime press in the middle of the field where he threw the football, but the football game was over then. The thing that pisses me off about this is you have a guy that can't even line his ass up on sides, and you can look at the official. Look at the official and say, hey, more offsides. My sides. It's not hard to do. And when you have zero margin for error as a defense and you don't have much margin for Error as an offense, and you go play a good team, you're going to get just what you got up there at Mile High. Yeah, that's what you got.
Landon McCool
It's even more frustrating because Houston's one of these guys that, you know, before the game, you would have pointed to, like, hey, he's one of the guys we need to get more snaps for. So it's just like, it feels like the guys that you have out there are screwing up. You, you replace them with other guys to see they're screwing up. You know, it's, it's.
Glenn Stretch Smith
It, it.
Landon McCool
You know, I, I listen, I was the one who came in here up front and said, hey, it feels like it's three or four guys that are consistently causing problems. And I do still feel that way. But I also, I also recognize that it's hard to fix a problem when the people that you're replacing, those three or four guys are also playing terribly. Right. Or also not playing well. And again, not even just like, oh, your guy beat my guy, right? Like, lining up on sides, like coach is saying, like putting your head on the right side of the body when you're trying to create leverage in the. And run defense, it's, you know, understanding which gap you, you, you, you. You have responsibility for. It's not being walked back by a tight end six yards off the line of scrimmage when you're one on one blocking him and you're a defensive end. Like, it's, you know, it's. It's somewhat effort, obviously, but it's also just the effort of knowing what to do. Right? The effort of caring enough to get the, to get your responsibility again.
Glenn Stretch Smith
No, just dial in with me here. You. They know they're an average football team on defense. Yeah, they know that. They're watching the film. They know they're a good team on offense. They knew exactly what they had to do in order to beat a really good Denver team. If they didn't, then shame on them. They knew exactly what they had to do. And so to get so early in a football game and to make those kind of mistakes, there is no room for error if you're going to win. And so the frustrating thing is.
Landon McCool
You.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Knew what you were and you went in there and you. I mean, you just, for lack of a better term, you just weren't ready, not ready to play. And that's what's frustrating.
Marcus Moser
The chat likes an angry coach right now. They're loving you right now, Stretch. This is great.
Jeff Biggs
Yes. Lou says give him hell, Coach.
Glenn Stretch Smith
You.
Marcus Moser
Guys get the nice clean version of stretch here on lock on Cowboys. You're very, you're very for.
Landon McCool
You hear our phone calls.
Marcus Moser
I get stretched. Yelling at me like I'm the one that's not lined up right or I'm the one that jumped offside.
Glenn Stretch Smith
So I only know one, I only know one way to do this. I really do. I mean, football is a, it's a passionate game for passionate people. And I only know one way to do it. And if you, if you don't do it that way, then the layoff for two weeks and quit. I mean, because it's the wrong game for you. But it is, it's, it's hard to watch. It's frustrating to watch. And then, you know, I mean, I feel Michael Irvin's, I feel his frustration when he gets on Twitter and starts just going crazy. I mean, I feel what, what Mike does. I mean, and he's brutally honest. I'm telling you, Mike Irvin's one of the most brutally honest people I know. And he's going to tell you just the way it is and sometimes it ain't very good. And I, you know, and I'm that way. I mean, I'm just, I'm, I'm going to say it and sometimes people are going to get offended. And you know what? I'm sorry if I offend you, but I only know one way to do it.
Landon McCool
Fellas.
Marcus Moser
No, you don't offend me. I just, I, I like it. It's. I like when.
Landon McCool
People watching cares about the fans. He doesn't care about.
Jeff Biggs
All right, let's take our final time out and when we come back, we will, we'll get you ready for Monday night. We got to look at that game. I'm, I'm trying to be optimistic as I usually am, but gotta say, I confess, I'm a little concerned. I think we know about Kyler Murray and, and he's going to come to ball out in that game on Monday night. So we'll get into that when we come back. Final segment Coming up, more comments from you. This is the Cowboys squad show.
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Jeff Biggs
All right, well, I'm trying to scroll down here, and that did not work. Marcus. I'm trying. I've tried to do the. This thing won't. It won't move down, so. All right, well, let me, let me read this really quick on the fly and let me see if I can play it from here, see if that works. Nope, that did not.
Glenn Stretch Smith
We're back.
Marcus Moser
Looks like Jeff's microphone's not working, so we'll, we'll go ahead and start the show as Jeff has some technical difficulties later. Let's talk about this Week 9 matchup.
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Y' all want me to do that commercial? Rougier, if you can't get the performance, I don't need the damn reader. Let's go.
Marcus Moser
Landon. Cardinals coming to town on Monday Night Football. How you feeling?
Landon McCool
Yeah, I mean, I don't really know how to feel. I mean, honestly, like, part of it is because the, the Cowboys. Right. But also this Cardinals team has kind of got a difficult to get a read on. I, I think part of it is that we haven't seen Kyler Murray for, was it three weeks, two weeks now that he hasn't been out. So we've been, we've been watching Jacoby Brissette go out there and, and frankly have a lot of success and, and do okay. Certainly compared to what you, you normally get out of a backup quarterback. But, you know, what does that mean for, for Kyler when he comes back? We'll see. I mean, Kyler is obviously a guy that has never lost an AT&T stadium as local kid, as a lot of y' all know, went to Allen High School, won a state title there. One of the best high school football teams you'll probably ever see. And, and I, I think, you know, he comes back and he enjoys playing here, but he's also a very, can be a very volatile player for a guy that is, you know, a unquestioned starter on his team. Right. He's, you look at the guys around the league that are, you know, the, the, the written and pin quarterback ones in their team, and Kyler Murray has got to be one of the highest variants. One of them. Right? He's just some, some games you get the, the, the number one overall pick the, the Heisman Trophy winner. And some games you get the guy that was a little bit concerned about what the new Call of Duty game was going to look like as soon as it dropped that day. So, right, I, I, I, I think, you know, you get, it's going to be interesting to see what we get from Kyler Murray coming off of an injury his first week back.
Marcus Moser
I mean, I'm a big Kyler fan. I, I've always liked watching him play. You know, he's, he's got a really unique style because he's, he's short, he's five, ten, one right stretch maybe. So he, I, I wonder though, if the Cowboys defense, because they have so many issues like pre snap and smart quarterbacks and kind of carve them up, I wonder if they'll actually fare better against the quarterback. That tends to make everything a little bit more backyard football. Maybe that's the type of style that's actually going to play well to them. So this Cardinals offense has looked very clunky with Kyler Murray this year, but so did Denver's before they played Dallas last week, so who knows?
Glenn Stretch Smith
Yeah, I mean, they're gonna have to figure out a way to, you know, not let him keep plays alive because we know what the secondary is like and that's, that's his, quite frankly, that's his specialty, I mean, is to run around and like I said, play a little backyard football and, and keep it alive. I mean, he's a dangerous guy. He can do a lot of things with the football and on top of that, he's not afraid to take off with it. And so I think it's just a, this will be a tough matchup for the Cowboys, but it's going to be this way, guys. I mean, just, I keep saying this, it's a pinball machine mentality. You got you, we, we said 30 and then we said 35. And now with the secondary down, go score 40 and you don't have to worry about it.
Marcus Moser
And this is a good defensive coordinator and Jonathan Gannon, he, I know he's their head coach, but he's really good at designing game plans. If you remember back to the 2023 season, that Cardinals defense had a bunch of injuries and they, they held that Cowboys offense in check. That had a lot of weapons. So don't expect just because this Cardinals team is two and whatever, three, whatever, that they're going to walk in here and score 35 points without, you know, you know, doing it in their sleep. This Cardinals defense can be a problem.
Jeff Biggs
You know, they Were playing pretty well. They got off to a decent start talking about the Cardinals and then they blew that game at home against the Titans. And I mean, it was just, that was, that was like one of the worst losses of the season for anybody, losing at home the way that they did to them. And then Murray got banged up and he's been out. But now they're, they're coming out of their buy and like I said, all of a sudden, you know, he's going to be healthy, rested, and this is kind of their bounce back game. So I think, you know, obviously a great start for the Cowboys both offensively and defensively is going to be huge. If they can get out to a quick lead and kind of get the Cardinals back on their heels early and make them play from behind, I think they'll be fine. But if they, they mess around and let them hang around, they've got nothing. You know, Cardinals are going to be playing with house money.
Landon McCool
Yeah, these, I mean, it's the NFL. Like, you're playing, you're playing another, another NFL team this week. Like, you can't mess around here. Like, I mean, you definitely have to take care of business. But I do think that this is not a team that, you know, matches up, is a poor matchup for the Cowboys necessarily. I think that this is probably, you know, a run of the mill matchup for most. Like, there isn't. I don't look at this group and think, man, that aspect is like something that the Cowboys are going to have to really take care of more than they normally would outside of maybe like Trey McBride. But I don't, you know, again, I don't know that the Cowboys have struggled against tight ends, I mean, more than they struggled against every other position. So, you know, with the Dallas Cowboys defense, it's like a reverse pick your poison. It's like, you know, it's like pick our poison. Right. Like so, yeah, I mean, it'll be quite interesting to see how they press that issue.
Marcus Moser
Lane, let me ask you this. If the Cowboys come out of this game with a win and they're 4, 4 and 1 going into the buy, how would you feel? And then the opposite of that. If they lose this game and they're 3, 5 and 1 with the NFL trade deadline the next day, at that point, are you just selling anybody that you can.
Landon McCool
I don't think it, I don't think it matters. I mean, honestly, to me personally, I think where you are right now, whether you, you know, I, if you want me to start believing again, in the Cowboys for the 2025 season. They need to win this game and then they need to win probably another two games before I feel like, you know, know they're in it even on a, on a making the playoffs basis. Right.
Marcus Moser
So that would be beating the Cardinals to get to 4, 4 and 1, beating the Raiders the following week at 5, 4 and 1. And I think the next game is Philadelphia at home. If you be, if you win those three and you're six, four and one going into Thanksgiving, at least you feel like you're in the hunt.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Yeah.
Marcus Moser
Going into the last month and a.
Landon McCool
Half of the year, but only sort of like, honestly, like I, I would need to win those next three games and then also have made a trade to make me feel even like slightly better about where this defense is. But to be, to be honest, like, I just have a hard time like getting from here to there. Right. I have a hard time believing that I'm going to get from where we are right now with this defense to believing that this defense is going to be able to do anything in the playoffs at any point this season. I, I, to me, I mean, I hate to be defeatist, and I know that I'm usually the optimist guy, but to me, I need, I need this defense to prove it to me on multiple weeks that they're capable of playing at a level that's going to make this even worth it.
Marcus Moser
Having said all that, you did tie the packers at home when you were without several key players, including CD Lamb, Cooper, Bibi, Tyler, Booker. Right. And if you beat the Eagles at home like we suggested, maybe that does change the angles a little bit because the Eagles and Packers are two of the best three teams in the nfc. If you win that game, maybe you can talk yourself into, hey, we can just sneak into the playoffs. We know that we can play with anybody. We also know that we can lose to anybody, but we can play with teams. If Dak is going to play at an unreal level, if the defense beats.
Landon McCool
Them, if the defense plays well and does something to actually stop the Eagles offense, then maybe we could talk about it. But to me, like, if we go into the Eagles game and they just play a bunch of shotgun and refuse to throw the ball to Brown and just shoot themselves in the foot like they tend to do at certain times because of their play collar, then I'm not going to feel super impressed that the Cowboys took advantage of a team that, you know, intentionally decided to play left handed for some reason.
Glenn Stretch Smith
How many scored? How many they scored a tag. Green Bay.
Marcus Moser
40, 40.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Go score 40. That's. That's. That's. That's what we're talking about. Go score 40 and you'll have a chance to beat the Cardinals. You should beat the Raiders with 40, and you score 40, you certainly beat the Eagles. I mean, you can, you could get. Sell me that, but it isn't going to happen on the other side of the ball, guys. I mean, I'm just telling you, it ain't happening there.
Landon McCool
Yeah, at the end of the day, like, I. There's not an. There's not a level that this offense can reach. To be honest, I don't think maybe I'm wrong, but I, I can't imagine a level that this offense reaches where it's good enough to carry this defense through the playoffs, into the super bowl and make it worth our while. Abs, just. I can't imagine it like they, they could be the, The. The. The. You know, the, The Greatest show on Turf 2.0, and. And I just don't think it's good enough to. To reach the kind of goals that we actually want this team to hit. So.
Glenn Stretch Smith
But regardless of, Regardless of winner or lose Monday night, I still think this team has got to start thinking about how to rebuild and if you can get the right guy at the trade deadline. I don't care if you're 4, 4 and 1, 3, 5 and 1, you got to. You got to start the process. I was. And I guess I've changed my role of thinking because for a while I was like, just hang on to everything. And now to see how bad it is and, you know, you gotta start the process here. We've got to kickstart this thing.
Jeff Biggs
All right, well, when we are all together next, it's going to be after Tuesday's NFL trade deadline. I know we've talked about it. There's rumors every day. One was today was that both the Cowboys and the 49ers asked about Trey Hendrickson, and at least for now, the Bengals said no. Jermaine Johnson of the jets has come up as a name. We talked about some others last week. Minka, Fence, Patrick. You brought up Marcus. I think it was you that brought it up. So I guess we'll see, right, you guys. Anybody else you guys have in mind or that you would like to see?
Glenn Stretch Smith
Yes.
Landon McCool
Yeah.
Marcus Moser
Smart organization.
Glenn Stretch Smith
While you're on the phone asking about Miles Garrett, asked about the safety.
Marcus Moser
There you go. Smart organizations don't trade away. All pro pass rushers in their prime stretch.
Glenn Stretch Smith
You're Gonna call Cleveland a smart organization?
Landon McCool
No, that's a fair. Hey, he's got you there, Marcus.
Glenn Stretch Smith
This. Not even listening to that crap anymore.
Marcus Moser
Fair point. But even.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Even the.
Marcus Moser
Hold on, Stretch. Even the Browns know that you don't trade away all pro organizations. I'm just saying you don't trade away Miles Garrett. To answer your question, Jeff, yes, we have several players that we think could be available and fit the Cowboys, especially on defense. But we're gonna make you wait till Friday. A lot Done. Cowboys to check. We got a whole show breaking down, trade deadline stuff, so be on the lookout.
Jeff Biggs
Beautiful. I love it. Great plugin. See, I was gonna ask you what's coming up. Now we know.
Landon McCool
Now you know.
Marcus Moser
We also have a crossover show with Locked On Cardinals that'll be airing on Thursday with Alex Clancy. Some really good stuff in there as well. So make sure you guys check that out.
Jeff Biggs
All right? Beautiful. And Landon, last time you said 90% chance that they'll make a trade. You still feeling that way?
Landon McCool
I still feel. I still feel like they probably will make some sort of trade, you know, and. And. And honestly, it could be just sort of a Jerry special so he can talk about it. Trade. I. I don't know. But, yeah, I still think that it. It makes sense for them to make a trade. I just think that the sh. Shape of what type of trade that they would make has changed because of the way that the record has gone.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Now you're talking about making a trade. Is that out of the building or into the building?
Landon McCool
In, either. Honestly. I mean, I. But I would imagine in. Yeah.
Jeff Biggs
Nicely done.
Landon McCool
Listen, I'm not going to be shocked if they trade Trayvon Diggs. I'm just not, like. I mean, I'm just not going to be surprised.
Marcus Moser
Maybe they could trade Joe Milton. Did you see that throw he made last week? Coach, I know that you're a big fan of Joe Milton.
Landon McCool
Cost $60 million less.
Glenn Stretch Smith
I know.
Marcus Moser
It's true.
Glenn Stretch Smith
Before we get off, can you hit the trifecta with one more. One more of those? Cleveland's a smarter. Cleveland's a sharp organization.
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Glenn Stretch Smith
James, Come on, hit the trifecta.
Landon McCool
Needs more touches. There we go, guys.
Glenn Stretch Smith
We got it.
Landon McCool
He hit the trifecta of trying to draw you outside.
Jeff Biggs
How about real quick? How about Schottenheimer saying today at practice that when asked about what position battles we might see, he went to the Javante Williams Malik Davis card. Where did that come from?
Marcus Moser
Jaden Blue.
Jeff Biggs
Yeah. All right, we'll save that for. For next week. All right, guys, Marcus Mosher Landon McCool the Daily locked on Cowboys podcast. They will get you ready for Monday night. Coach and I and Aisha will be back with you after the game Monday night and Marcus and Landon will have their show and then we'll be back together again a week from tonight. Talking about the Cowboys and the Cardinals and the NFL trade deadline for Marcus Landon and a coach. Glenn Stretchmith thank you for watching the Cowboys squad.
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Date: October 30, 2025
Hosts: Jeff Biggs (Cowboy Squad Show), Marcus Mosher, Landon McCool (Locked On Cowboys), Glenn "Stretch" Smith
Main Theme:
A blunt post-mortem on the Cowboys’ “unacceptable” loss to Denver, the state of the rebuilding defense, trade deadline options, the Trayvon Diggs injury saga, and a look ahead to the Monday night matchup with Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals.
Discussion of Defensive Regression
Youth and Injuries Take Their Toll
Rebuilding Realities
Scheme Stability Matters
Defensive Fundamentals Lacking
Injury Confusion and Media Blackout
Trade Rumors and Career Outlook
Missed Opportunity Against a Wounded Broncos D
Execution and Basic Errors
Extended game breakdown from Stretch, including damning details:
Landon: “It’s even more frustrating because Houston’s one of those guys we said should get more snaps. …It feels like the guys you have out there are screwing up, and the guys you replace them with are also screwing up.” [43:08]
No Margin for Error
“Football is a passionate game for passionate people. I only know one way to do it – if you don’t like it, lay out for two weeks and quit. It’s the wrong game for you.”
— Glenn “Stretch” Smith [45:50]
Kyler Murray Presents a Test
What Would a Win (or Loss) Mean?
On Defensive Coaching:
On Trade Deadline Prudence:
On Offensive Letdown:
On the Diggs Soap Opera:
On Fan Frustration:
This episode captures the Cowboys at a crossroads: Out of excuses, aware that defensive fixes aren’t simple, and uncertain about the futures of key players (like Trayvon Diggs), but still dangling on the edge of playoff relevance. The hosts urge the team to “start the rebuild,” pull no punches about coaching lapses and player fundamentals, and preview the trade deadline as a point of potential action but not an instant cure. Monday night against Kyler Murray and the Cardinals is framed as another “gut check”—but the consensus is that Dallas must outscore opponents, with little faith their defense can hold up without major long-term changes.