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TRADE: Should the Dallas Cowboys Aggressively PURSUE Maxx Crosby To FIX Defense?
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Dallas Cowboys eye another blockbuster trade to supercharge their defense—should they sacrifice draft capital for a proven game-changer? Marcus Mosher and Landon McCool weigh the pros and cons of targeting elite defenders like Maxx Crosby and Trey Hendrickson, debating whether investing pick 20 and a massive contract could propel the Cowboys’ defensive line into NFL dominance or risk stretching their resources too thin.
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Marcus Moser
Jerry Jones said the Cowboys might not be done taking a big swing on a defender, but are they in position to do so? We'll debate next.
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Marcus Moser
Welcome back to the Locked on Cowboys podcast, part of the Locked On Podcast network. Your team every day. We'd like to thank you for making us the number one sports podcast network. I am your host, Marcus Moser. He is Landon McCool. And on today's show, we're going to talk about the Cowboys making another big trade because Jerry Jones mentioned it in their postseason press conference that don't think that we couldn't make a big trade with one of these first round picks. They have picked 12 and picks 20 and I do think that's a big difference now that they've got pick 20. Landon. Yeah, but could you see the Cowboys making another big trade and should they.
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Landon McCool
Yeah. Without getting into specifics of who just generally whether I think they would, I, I, I think, yeah, I mean, I think it's certainly possible they have the extra ammo. You know, there's probably a couple different thought processes here on how they want to do this rebuild for this defense and, and whether that's, you know, taking a couple of medium sized swings to just kind of, you know, raise the floor on the, on the quality of player that you have on your defense. That's one way. Another way of doing it is taking that first round pick and going to get yourself another big time playmaker. And look, we're going to talk about a couple of guys, but I think it makes specific sense to do something along the defensive line again because I think that one of the quickest ways to get this defense up to reputable is to get one aspect of your defense supercharged Right. If you can, like especially the defensive line or the defensive backfield, because you can kind of help, you know, ladder that back and forth and go up and down that spectrum of coverage and pass rush, I think it makes sense to use one of those. And for the Cowboys, they seem to be a lot closer on the defensive line than they are in the defensive backfield, so it would make some sense. And I think it could be a strategy that could play off just as well as taking those two picks and trying to spread out the talent a little more evenly.
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Marcus Moser
Well, I mean, if we're talking about the defensive line only, you and I just got done watching the Steelers Texans where they're front four. They're not exotic. They don't really twist, they don't blitz. They just have a front four that kicks everybody's butt. And yeah, they've got really good corners and safeties. There's absolutely no doubt. But even if they had average secondary members, that defensive line is going to dominate. I don't think you're wrong. If you're going to make a big trade, I think it has to be on the defensive line because we can go through the other positions. I don't think. I don't think there's a veteran safety out there that's available that you would want to flip a first round pick for. And there's really not a linebacker because there's only a couple linebackers in the league that really matter and you're not going to trade a first round pick for those guys. So it's either a corner or an edge rusher. And corners can be so inconsistent year over year. I think you're better off getting the edge rusher because I think they're just more reliable and I do think that's probably. If they're going to take a big swing, that's probably where they would go.
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Landon McCool
Yeah, if you remember, that corner is a weak link system. Right. So getting a top end guy certainly is great and it changes what you can do. But it's actually more important just to make sure that your floor is high than necessarily having one guy that runs raises your, your ceiling a lot. I mean, again, it certainly is nice to have Stingley and Lassiter on the outside if you've got it. But as far as, you know, prioritizing how to build your defensive backfield, you need to make sure that you've got four NFL starter quality guys as opposed to just going out to get your cornerback one and prioritizing that.
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Marcus Moser
Here's my next question. Should they though, because this is where I'm struggling a little bit. We'll get into some names here in a little bit. But. But they did already take a big swing on Quinn and Williams, and I think that's going to pay off. And they paid a lot to get him. Now he's going to probably want a new contract next offseason. Can you really afford to give up, let's say it's pick 20. Can you afford to give up, pick 20 for another big contract player when you're already paying Quinn and Williams, you're already paying Oso De Gazua? I think they would like to bring back Kenny Clark. Or do you need to start staggering some of these contracts and finding players on rookie contracts to kind of balance this roster out?
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Landon McCool
Well, this is where, you know, we started this conversation with, you know, me clarifying that this was about a, you know, broad subject matter or whether we wanted to do something now. Now we're talking about whether they should actually do it or not. That's going to force us to kind of dig down deep into the particulars because I do think that it's such a close call, like, you know, that I'm not ready to just generally say, give it a hard yes, no, like we need to dig down onto the individual player because contract matters here. I think age matters here. All of that is going to feed in it, feed into and inform us on whether or not this trade is going to be valuable during the window that you're trying to hit to win the super bowl with, with Dak Prescott in this, on his current contract. So I think the, the specifics were really, really do matter here on whether.
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Marcus Moser
It'S prudent move 100%, because the Cowboys could make a trade for any defensive player they want in the league and they could fit them under their cap. Just to be clear, like, don't, don't buy some of that other nonsense that sometimes Jerry Jones puts out there. They could trade for any player in the league and make it work. I think my only problem with this, Landon, is if you were to do that, and again, let's say it's Max Crosby who we'll get to in a second. You're going to be. And then you plan on bringing back George Pickens and you plan on resigning Javonte Williams. You're going to be so limited in free agency that I wonder if that's ultimately not the best way to build your defense. Because you and I have been talking about it all, you know, all off season already. Like they need probably like six impact players on defense, and honestly, they probably need like eight or nine new faces on defense. And if you're spending all of your cap space on one player, I wonder if that's too aggressive and you'd be better off not spreading your money out like they did this year with Kenneth Murray and Kyrie Elam, but actually going out and getting quality starters that can raise your floor.
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Landon McCool
Yeah, I mean, that's certainly, you know, the other side of the seesaw. Right? Like, you know, whether. Whether that is. Is, you know, you want to go one way or go the other way. I think that's what makes this a difficult call is because it's not just as simple as, can you afford it, or do you think this player is going to improve your roster? It's about spending resources and understanding that you have a lot to get to. And I think that the general thought process if you do a move like this is that going out and getting a superstar player like the guys we're going to talk about would hopefully cut down on the number of those guys that you would have to go out and get in order to raise the floor on where you need the defense to be. And I think one guy specifically fits that bill even better than the other. But I think that you have to consider all of it when you're considering how you're approaching this offseason, because you're right. Like, the 20th overall pick, if it's more than that, which it potentially could be, is a lot to pay for one player. And I mean, I guess that's what you're paying for a rookie, but at the same time, like, you're paying for cheap labor. So you're also losing a player in potential free agency that you could have gone out and get because you're taking on the player and the pick and the cash.
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Marcus Moser
It's not just trading the number 20 pick for Max Crosby, and it's a one for one because you do see people online arguing that, look, oh, hey, Cassius, how from Texas A and M, he's not as good as Max Crosby, so why not just trade that pick for Crosby? It's because you're also getting however many other players on top of that. And this is where I've changed my philosophy a little bit. And I think it's partly due to, like, Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh. Your defense is really a weak link system, and if you've got one or two guys out there that either can't cover or can't run these Guys are just going to spam play calls all game long until you take that guy off the field. And we saw this for Dallas this year. There was just three or four guys that were making all of the mistakes. And you can't hide that many players at one time.
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Landon McCool
Yeah, I certainly think that's the case in the defensive backfield, like we talked about. It's maybe even at the second level in some ways, too. I think with the defensive line, like, you need to have guys who can eat. Yeah, exactly. You got to be able to change the angle. So, yeah, I don't disagree with that thought process at all. And, and again, like, you know, that's why the only position that we're probably considering this, you know, on is the defensive line because of all those factors that we just mentioned, including the. The asset allocation aspects of this.
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Marcus Moser
All right, let's talk about some names the Cowboys could go after this offseason. And the biggest, of course, is Max Crosby. How realistic is that? We'll get to it next. This episode is brought to you by Indeed. If you've ever hired someone who looks good on paper but wasn't the right fit, you know how that important it is. Listen, Cowboy fans, know exactly what that feels like. When it comes to your defensive coordinator, you want candidates who truly match what you're looking for. Trust Indeed. Sponsored Jobs Are you hiring? Indeed is all you need. Stop struggling to get your post seen on other sites. Indeed. Sponsored Jobs Put your post at the top of the page and help you read or help you reach the right candidates faster. And. And if I needed to hire someone for this show, I'd go straight to Indeed and be very specific about what I need. I'm not replacing Lane, but I'm just saying if. If I needed to replace Landon, that's where I would go. Spend more time interviewing candidates who check all of your boxes with less stress, less time, and more results using Indeed. Sponsored Jobs and listeners of this show can get a $75 sponsored job credit to help give your job the premium placement it deserves@ Indeed.com Loton NFL just go to Indeed.com LotonNFL right now and support the show by saying that you heard about Indeed on this podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Hiring do it the right Way with Indeed. This episode is brought to you by Quo New Year's New System. This is the time when a lot of us look at the messier parts of how we run our business and and think there's got to be a better way. And there is Streamlining your Communications is one of the quickest ways to upgrade your business that you can make. And that's why today's episode is brought to you by Quo. Q U O the smarter way to run your business communications. Because when your team is reachable, organized and communicating in one place, you're not just working clear. You're creating more opportunities to connect with customers. Your whole team can call and text on one shared business number so nothing gets missed. And it's no surprise that Quo is the number one rated business phone system on G2, trusted by more than 90,000 businesses from solo operators to growing teams. Make this the year where no opportunity and no customer slips away. Try Quo for free plus get 20% off for your first six months when you go to Quo. QO.com Loton NFL that is Q UO.com Loton NFL Quo no miss calls. No miss customers. Welcome back to the Laton Cowboys podcast. We'd like to thank you for making us your first listen every single day. If you haven't done so already, check out the everyday club. You're going to get ad free episodes to this podcast for just $5 a month. It's the easiest way to support the show. Plus you're going to get access to an exclusive discord server where you can come talk to us during the games all week long. Go check it out right now at loton cowboys supercast.com all right. L. Let's talk about some names here. If the Cowboys were to go out and make a big swing for a defensive lineman, who's your number one target?
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Landon McCool
I mean, I think the, the segment title tells you, right? It's Max Crosby. I think that's the guy that, you know, makes a lot of sense and I think one of the reasons that he makes, I think one of the reasons he changes the angles on all of this and makes this kind of worthy of all this. And especially considering what we talked about and asset allocation and having enough to, to, you know, spread around the talent that you need to the defense is that Max crosby plays like 900 snaps a season. Like he doesn't come off the field. And, and so I, I think having a guy like that who plays at an elite high level at such an incredible position, it's, it's, it really gives you a lot of extra value. And again, we talked about the force multiplier aspect of it being a defensive end specifically. I think that, you know, I, I don't know that in, in, in a vacuum that I would do this move for a lot of different Players, you know, considering everything that we have to get done in the season. But I do think that Max Crosby is one of the guys that it really makes sense just because he could dominate the past game, he dominate in the run game. You want him on the field all the time. He can play all the time. I think he, he adds the, the right type of body type that you're looking for at defensive end to kind of to go opposite of Ezraku. So yeah, I, I think that Crosby makes a ton of sense for this team.
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Marcus Moser
And just to be clear, one of the reasons why the Raiders could consider moving on from Crosby, he was not happy with the way that the season ended where they didn't allow him to play the last two games. And I think there's a chance because the Raiders are drafting, we think drafting a quarterback at number one overall, that they might want to take those, try to get some more assets and rebuild the offense before trying to fix the defense. They've got a lot of issues in their offensive line. They've got a lot of issues with their wide receiver. And maybe the best way to be relevant is fix the offense and then worry about the defense later. I love Max Crosby, Atlanta. Like I, I covered him with the Raiders for a couple years. This, he's not in the level of pass rusher as Michael Parsons and Miles Garrett. He's a, he's a step below that. But he's such a good run defender and he plays every single snap. I mean, there was a stretch this year where I think he had seven straight games where he every snap. But that's also kind of my concern here a little bit as well is he's going to be 29 before week one. I think he's had eight or nine lower body injuries. He's got a, he's coming off a big knee injury this year. He's kind of an old 29. With how banged up his body is, I would be worried a little bit on how his game is going to age.
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Landon McCool
That's fair. And again, like. But I think that the thing is, is that if you're trying to do this, you're doing this for a very specific window, right? And you're trying to, you're trying to, you're trying to win for a very short amount of time. I do think he can make it through that window. He is 29. You know, I would say normally a guy like his body type, his skill set could play till 34, 35. I would imagine he's more likely to pay it to like 32, because of all the extra snaps he's played. You're.
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Marcus Moser
But you're looking at the next three years, and this is where we've wanted the Cowboys to be more aggressive when it comes to windows, right? You're looking at the next three years for Max Crosby, and you don't care what the age, 33, 34 seasons look like.
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Landon McCool
I'm betting on the fact that he could still maintain his current level of production for another two or three years solidly. Right. So. And that's what I'm looking for. Right? That's, that's all I'm, I'm looking to commit to at this point. So I, Yeah, I think Crosby, again, is one of the rare guys that is probably on this list that if the, the option was there and the price was right and you could figure it out, I probably would do it.
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Marcus Moser
So let's talk about the price. Let's say that we've come to the conclusion that the Cowboys should trade for Max Crosby. The contract is actually very manageable, and that's something we should have mentioned before. Like, this is a very movable contract. It's also very team friendly. He just signed it, I believe it was this offseason, and I think he's getting, like, $10 million a year less than Micah Parsons is, which is unbelievable. What would be the most you would be willing to give up in a trade for Max Crosby?
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Landon McCool
Well, I mean, I think it starts with the 20th, right. And then you just see, you know, what, what the negotiation there is, because I think that for Max Crosby seems like a pretty fair pay. I, I, I don't know. Like, I think 12. I don't know that I would do 12. I mean, that's, that's how tight the, this margin is in my head. Right? Like, it's. I think, you know, if we're talking, I think this 20 is a great fit. If you want a sweetener, like maybe a pick next year or something like that.
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Marcus Moser
I got a trade idea for you. What if, what if the Raiders say no to 20, but they want 20 in Ryan Flournoy?
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Landon McCool
I don't know. That's a tough question. That's really tough. That's a good one, Marcus.
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Marcus Moser
Okay, I'll give you. Let me give you a different one.
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Landon McCool
Yeah.
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Marcus Moser
What if it's. It's TJ Bass and 20? We want a starting guard. We think Bass can be a starting guard. Trade them over to us.
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Landon McCool
Yeah, I, Yeah, probably. I'd probably do that. Yeah.
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Marcus Moser
And I think, I think that's what you're, if you're the Raiders, you're obviously asking for 12. But I do see some, some scenarios where, hey, we need to fix our offensive line. Give us TJ Bass, give us Brock Hoffman, guys that have played a lot of snaps in the NFL, and that's how we can kind of quickly rebuild this unit. I don't know how much more I would do than that. 12 just seems too much. And I, I know there's people saying that they would give up full first. No way.
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Landon McCool
I mean, even what you were suggesting with CJ Bass, I was really hesitant because I, you know, look, I mean, it's not easy to find offensive lineman. Ask the Raiders, you know, so, yeah, I think you're right. It's, it's, it's the 20th pick and everything outside of that is probably a negotiation for me.
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Marcus Moser
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Landon McCool
See, this is tough, right, because, you know, it's completely different kind of situation. Hendrickson is, you know, a very, very, very excellent, excellent pass rusher, but he's not a great run defender. And again, the pass rushing is, is more the, the what you're looking for anyways. But that's not necessarily what he's known for. And we've kind of seen, you know, those are the guys you have to kind of work around a little bit and they have a way of kind of being exposed to certain points. So all of this is to say that you're also gonna have to pay him a lot of money, right? Like, I don't know what his market is, but it's going to be, I mean, imagine 35.
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Marcus Moser
Probably. Probably. I do wonder with the injuries that he had this year, maybe it knocks it down a little bit. He's also a little bit older than some of these guys. Is he 30? I think he's 31.
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Landon McCool
I think he's 30 and he's about. Oh, is he 31?
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Marcus Moser
31. He'll turn 32 in December.
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Landon McCool
Yeah, I mean, look, look, he needs to go and get paid like on a per. On a personal level for the guy. I want him to go out and make a lot of money. As a Cowboys fan, I, I don't know if I'm wanting them to pay him a ton of money just because, you know, there's just a lot that could go wrong. He's kind of a generally undersized guy. He's not uber athletic. He's A skill based guy. What happens after a year off? Is he going to take a little while if he doesn't, you know, get 16 to 17 snaps? Is he worth paying 30 million plus to $35 million plus?
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Marcus Moser
Absolutely not. I mean, so right now Spot Track has his market value set at 25 million. They project a two year, 50 million dollar deal.
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Landon McCool
Okay.
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Marcus Moser
He is somebody who's played a lot of snaps in his career. He's not, he's not really a run defender. He'll get you the occasional tackle for a loss. But he is a pass rusher that you leave on the field all the time. But if it's, let's say it is 26 million, I do think you could do some things to limit his snaps. Keep him fresh for, you know, for passing downs and maybe you play more of Solomon Thomas or you play more three defensive tackle looks and second, third downs you bring on Trey Hendrickson.
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Landon McCool
Yeah, look, I mean let's, I mean let's string this out a little bit. Let's say you've got Jim Leonard coming in here and you're playing more five man surfaces. You know, you could get away, I think with, with playing Hendrickson full time that way and still have some success. I imagine, you know, if he's just like having to maintain, contain on the outside or just, you know, you know, take care of one gap, I think that's, that's obviously where he's going to shine. So yeah, I mean, Look, I think 26, $25 million, like that's a little bit more reasonable. And I do think that there is something to the idea that you need to kind of, you don't have to just use that argument about front loading the defensive line just in that trade. You know, I think you can make that argument that if you wanted to go spend big money on one or two defensive linemen to try to make this defensive line fear worthy, I, I think that that would definitely make scheming up the back end a ton a lot easier. So, so I, I think that there's something to that idea and whether that's going to give 25 million to Trey Hendrickson and then kind of figuring that out or getting two or three guys that you really like so that you've got a collection of a defensive line that, that can get after a quarterback. I think that that would accomplish, you know, similar goals. So I'm not opposed to Hendrickson at a sub 30 million dollar contract because I still think he probably has a couple years left and I know that he get after the quarterback. But the questions are how much is it going to be? Is how much of a run defender is he still at this point? Because I do feel like that's going to fall off a lot quicker than his pastor skills.
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Marcus Moser
One more name that I want to mention and this is a guy that I know I've liked for a long time. Our guy John Owning likes him as well. Nick Herbig for the Steelers who who played under Jim Leonard, Wisconsin. He played all over. This is an undersized pass rusher who is really good at getting to the quarterback and I just won't be surprised in a different scheme that allows him to get up field a little bit more. If he couldn't be a productive guy, believe he's going into the last year of his contract, you would need to trade for him. It wouldn't be a first round pick. Maybe you do something, you know, fun with Pittsburgh where you know, you, you, you drop down or what, however it works. I think to me doing something like that, getting a 24 year old whose best football is still ahead of him isn't something that I'm opposed to doing at all.
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Landon McCool
Yeah, and I think this is one of the situations where his value is going to go up depending on who this defensive coordinator is. Because I think of the undersized nature that you mentioned. But yeah, if you could figure out a scheme where he's your pass rusher, you're going to get some pretty nice returns.
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Marcus Moser
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