Dan Peña - The Brutal Truth About Wealth, Power, and Weak Men

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London Real Podcast Summary:

Dan Peña – The Brutal Truth About Wealth, Power, and Weak Men
Host: Brian Rose
Guest: Dan Peña
Date: January 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

London Real welcomes Dan Peña—the "Trillion Dollar Man"—for a raw, no-holds-barred conversation about wealth creation, the decline of personal accountability, the rise of AI, geopolitical tectonics, and modern masculinity. The episode is electric with Peña’s trademark profanity-laden, no-excuses philosophy as he and Brian Rose reminisce, debate, and reflect on everything from business to parenting to global power structures.

Peña, now a defining figure in London Real’s own history, offers his unfiltered commentary on the current global “reshuffle” of wealth, political leadership (especially Donald Trump), the future of work, and his ambitious project to reform the finances of the Catholic Church.

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Main Themes & Key Insights

1. The Weight of Unfulfilled Potential and Facing Fear

• Peña’s worldview: Most people never realize their potential because they are “afraid to take risks” and avoid discomfort at all costs.

  • “Man's greatest burden is unfulfilled potential.” (00:16)
  • “If somebody came up and slapped you... The only answer is you get a brick and you beat his fucking brains out.” (00:03)

• Engineering Fear: Rose credits Peña with teaching him to embrace fear, citing personal challenges like running for mayor and stepping into the boxing ring.

  • "I wouldn’t have done a lot of things without you, because I now look at fear as something I need to engineer into my life.” – Brian Rose (00:06, 93:54)

• Times have changed: Peña laments the dramatic increase in “weakness” and lack of aggression among rising generations:

  • “Failure rate is up to 98.6%. 98.6% of blue-blooded Americans, Brits, Aussies would rather switch than fight.” (16:14)

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2. Accountability, Focus, & Discipline: Peña’s Bedrock Principles

• Accountability as a missing ingredient:

  • “Almost all the things you just mentioned. Okay, the answer is accountability.” (03:43)

• Focus as the key to success:

  • Quoting the famous Gates-Buffet dinner: “They both said at the same time, focus." (04:16)
  • “The guy or gal or it, now, that gets laser beam focused first and stays laser beam focused longest, wins most.” (04:27)

• On emotional weakness in the corporate world:

  • “[Corporate boards] table everything because nobody wants to be on the hook... Nobody wants to take that heat now.” (08:53)

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3. The Trump Effect: Power, Bravery, and Social Climate

• Trump’s personal impact: Peña attributes his own career longevity and current "buzz" in NYC and business to Trump.

  • “He makes it cool to be brave again.” (07:05)
  • “I haven't seen the buzzes in New York since the '80s... You're not ashamed to make 20, 30 million bucks now a year.” (07:05)

• Critique of opposition:

  • “Most of these guys, he thinks are wusses that are running these countries, and they are.” (08:53)
  • Comparisons with historic figures: "The opposite side of the coin, they're saying so did Hitler and so did Mussolini, so did Mao...” (08:17)

• On maintaining power and reshaping the system:

  • “He’s got people backing him... working on changing the Constitution...so he can run again.” (05:50)
  • “As long as Trump is in the White House, I’m still doing seminars. I’d be crazy not to.” (24:29)

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4. AI, Automation & The Future of Work

• The coming wave:

  • “Ten to 20 years from now, all jobs are going to be replaced by AI. I don’t care if you’re a plumber—in your website, put AI at the end. If you’re not in AI, go home.” (00:41, 29:54, 75:03)

• Personal adaptation: Peña uses robots for work at his castle, signaling that even high-touch roles are threatened.

  • “We have robots at the castle. Gordon One and Gordon Two...I’m getting four more robots.” (30:23)

• On universal income and the social contract:

  • “Elon said, we’re going to be in a no money, no job economy... He called it universal wealth." (64:54)
  • "To me, that sounds like socialism, if there’s another word for it, I don’t know what it is.” (64:54)

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5. Strategies for Wealth in a Changing World

• Seller Financing:

  • On bypassing banks: Success stories abound of individuals using Peña's QLA principles and seller financing to acquire multimillion-dollar businesses (15:10).
  • “Remember, you name the price, I name the terms.” (15:50)

• Risk and Loss:

  • “I’ve lost 800 plus million dollars in my life and I’ve made it back. But most people are worried that they can’t make it back... as long as they don’t cut my fucking tongue out, I’m not worried about making more money.” (16:16, 107:29)

• You are who you hang around with:

  • "You're the average of the five people you spend the most time with." (164:15)

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6. Weak Men, Poor Role Models & Declining Standards

• Generational decline:

  • “The quality of people that we have come through the seminar are weak...They have no gumption.” (16:17)

• Roots of weakness:

  • “Poor role models. We don’t do what our parents tell us to do, we do what we see our parents do.” (17:13)

• Communication collapse:

  • “Communication skills are piss poor. They say at Harvard the students don’t even turn up to class anymore.” (18:50, 18:59)

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7. Education, “Woke Factories,” and the Value of College

• Higher education is broken:

  • “No, I probably wouldn’t send my kids to college.” (21:54)
  • “These universities are rackets. They’re woke factories that charge hundreds of thousands of dollars to give people a degree that’s basically useless.” (22:01)

• On job prospects and hustle:

  • “Unless by serendipity you go into the same school as your boss, it’s a waste of time.” (24:11)

• Outdated standards:

  • “A high school degree from 1963 is like two and a half years of college now.” (20:50)

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8. Church, Charity, and the Cathedral of Power

• Peña’s Vatican Project:

  • Appointed “apostle of finance” by the Catholic Church, Peña aims to overhaul its financial management.
  • “They’re sitting on between 3 and 7 trillion dollars in revenue [not collected].” (42:43)
  • “It’s a 7 to 10 year project. We’re going to attack the US first, parish by parish.” (46:15)

• Personal connection:

  • “My family couldn’t afford the $8 for the little altar boy uniform. That’s my trauma.” (38:23, 109:18)

• Aiming for canonization:

  • “Upon my death, I’m going to be canonized...I can sell anything to anybody.” (109:13)

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9. Global Wealth, Crypto, and Pre-Sale Opportunities

• Early-stage investing and deal flow:

  • Peña and Rose both highlight the unique opportunity to access high-upside investments in blockchain, AI, and more, especially via exclusive clubs (e.g., London Real Investment Club).
  • “The wealthy invest in early stage companies...The public markets are for suckers. It’s a rigged game.” (40:23)

• Caution on Crypto:

  • “It’s volatile as hell, you know, and most people can’t handle it. Kids load up...you can live a very volatile life.” (105:42)

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10. Personal Development, Family, and “Daddy Issues”

• No inheritance philosophy:

  • “When you earn the money yourself, it’s not the same as when daddy gave it to you...my kids get none.” (123:41)

• Parenting and self-esteem:

  • “Self-esteem is a motherfucker if it’s not built in the first 7 or 8 years.” (95:27)

• On “daddy issues” as a motivator:

  • “All your success comes down to a daddy issue taken to the extreme.” (134:28)

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11. Lasting Lessons, Regret, and Legacy

• Take More Risks:

  • “You have a following. Whether you deserve it doesn’t matter. What are you going to do with it? Not many people are gifted a base in their lifetimes.” (114:10)

• Embracing loss and uncertainty:

  • “95% of the things we worry about never happen.” (126:47)

• Peña's own legacy:

  • “I won’t get credit for the 25 million jobs I’ve created, etc... But upon my death, I’ll be canonized.” (109:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Weakness and Modern Masculinity:

  “The only answer is you get a brick and you beat his fucking brains out.” – Peña (00:03)

• On Focus:

  “The guy or gal or it, now, that gets laser beam focused first and stays laser beam focused longest, wins most.” – Peña (04:27)

• On American Boldness Returning:

  “I haven’t seen the buzz in New York since the ’80s...it’s cool now to be bold, brave and boisterous.” – Peña (07:05-07:42)

• On Self-Esteem:

  “Self-esteem is a motherfucker if it’s not built in the first seven or eight years.” – Peña (95:27)

• On Generational Wealth:

  “What are you going to tell your grandchildren 25, 30 years from now? What did you do during the greatest transformation of wealth in the history of the planet?” – Peña (01:06)

• On Regret and Opportunity:

  “If you live to be 80, you’re going to look back, what should I have done?... I can already give you a list of 40, 50 things I should have done already.” – Peña (113:41)

• On Takeaways:

  “Take more risk, do more. Stop screwing around.” – Peña (114:05)

• On AI replacing jobs:

  “If you’re not in AI, go home.” – Peña (29:54, 75:03)

• On Church reform:

  “I want to be altar boy who never got to be an altar boy.” – Peña (109:18)

• On Selling:

  “I could sell anything to anybody. I used to turn the charts upside down.” – Peña (84:56, 85:03)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Facing Fear & Weakness: 00:01–01:29
• Defining Focus & Accountability: 03:38–05:46
• Trump’s Impact on Culture/business: 06:57–08:17
• Generational Weakness & Decline: 16:14–18:53
• AI/Automation and Jobs: 29:54–32:04, 64:54–65:46, 75:03–76:16
• Church Financial Overhaul: 43:06–48:03, 109:13–110:58
• Parenting, “Daddy Issues,” and Resilience: 95:26–98:19, 133:30–134:43
• Education and Woke Critique: 21:54–24:20
• Risk, Regret & Legacy: 114:05–117:16
• Crypto & Early-Stage Investing: 40:23–41:23, 105:08–106:21
• Memorable Anecdotes from Early Life: 37:29–38:34, 134:18–135:00
• Podcasting and Reaching New Audiences: 78:53–80:18

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Tone & Style

The episode is relentless, sometimes abrasive, and always direct—true to Peña’s persona. Peña’s language is blunt and profane, sparing no one (least of all the “weak men” of modernity). There is a rough affection between Rose and Peña, with the former acting as both interviewer and grateful protégé. The episode vacillates between practical business advice, trenchant socio-political commentary, and deeply personal reflection.

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For the Listener: Core Takeaways

• Comfort is the enemy: Real growth requires intentionally seeking discomfort and risk.
• You can always do more: Even high-performers leave potential on the table—intentionally or due to psychological blocks.
• Focus and accountability trump credentials: The world is full of “woke” credentials but devoid of results.
• Leverage, not excuses: There are always unconventional paths to wealth (e.g., seller finance, AI, early-stage investing).
• Family and background shape ambition: Break free from negative patterns, regardless of upbringing.
• Legacy is built on action, not intention: The world rewards those who execute, not those who dream.

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Closing Thoughts

The Peña philosophy is neither easy nor for everyone. But for those willing to hear “the brutal truth,” this episode serves as a high-octane masterclass in facing fear, rejecting excuses, and seizing the unique, fleeting opportunities of a world in rapid transformation.

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For Further Exploration

• QLA for Dummies: Peña’s core teachings, available for free.
• Upcoming: Peña’s own podcast launching January 2026—expect it to be similarly uncompromising.

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Note: Advertisements, club promos, and intros/outros have been omitted for clarity and focus.

Transcript

[Dan Pena]

If somebody came up and slapped you,

[Brian Rose]

what would you do?

[Dan Pena]

The only answer is you get a brick and you beat his fucking brains out.

[Brian Rose]

You taught me a lot about fear, Dan. I wouldn't have been in the ring without you. I wouldn't have run for mayor without you. I wouldn't have done a lot of things without you. Because I now look at fear as something I need to engineer into my life.

[Dan Pena]

Man's greatest burden is unfulfilled potential. 95% of the things we worry about never happen. I've lost 800 plus million dollars in my life and I've made it back. But most people are worried that they can't make it back, so. So as long as they don't cut my fucking tongue out, I'm not worried about making more money.

[Brian Rose]

What's your number right now? Because it's a lot more than a trillion, isn't it?

[Dan Pena]

8.6.

[Brian Rose]

And it's going to keep going up.

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

What do you think It'll be in

[Dan Pena]

10 years when Trump stays in office? The sky's the limit, don't quantify it.

[Brian Rose]

You've been big on CyberSecurity the last five years, but now you were talking AI.

[Dan Pena]

Ten to 20 years from now, all jobs are going to be replaced by AI. I don't care if you're a plumber in your website, put AI at the end. If you're not an AI, go home. There's a lot of money to be made.

[Brian Rose]

Dan, what if there's someone listening? They would say to themselves, I am a cunt to say your terms and I need to change myself if I want to get something out of this life. How can they do it?

[Dan Pena]

You have to learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable. You got to have a driving force. If you don't have a driving force, and if you're only going to try, you're going to fail. What are you going to tell your grandchildren 25, 30 years from now? What did you do during the greatest transformation of wealth in the history of the planet? Well, what are you going to tell them?

[Brian Rose]

Hi, it's Brian Rose from London Real. You probably know that we've just recently been replatformed on YouTube. After 25 months, completely in the dark. The truth is, I really need your help. What I really need you to do is click on that subscribe button right now, like this video, and maybe even leave a comment or share the link with friends. We're really fighting against an algorithm that's tried to keep us quiet for so long. And the more subscribers we have. The more people watch our content, the better guests. We can bring you the better content and we can continue transforming lives. We've been doing this for 14 years now. I want to do this for another 14 years, but I really need your help. So click on that subscribe button. Like the video, leave a comment Share this and we're going to continue to bring you more and more great content. Thank you. This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Dan Pena, the high performance business coach, founder of the Quantum Leap Advantage, and one of the most uncompromising voices on finance, discipline and personal accountability. For more than three decades, you have taught people how to build generational wealth from nothing, how to construct businesses that actually scale, and how to remove the emotional weakness that stops most people before they ever start. Thousands have trained with you in person. Millions have done so virtually. And the impact can be measured in the trillions of dollars. You are a defining force in the history of London Real. From our groundbreaking first interview released Easter of 2014, to my time at your castle seminar later that year, to our feature length documentary film the fifty billion Dollar man, to our live events at the Ritz and beyond, and through many multi hour conversations that have reached tens of millions of people around the world. Today I want to get your thoughts on the global wealth reshuffle, the geopolitical tensions pushing the west towards instability, the rise of AI and automation, the disruption of money through crypto, and what people must do now to stay competitive in a world that no longer tolerates hesitation and emotional softness. Dan, welcome back to London Real.

[Dan Pena]

Thank you very much.

[Brian Rose]

It's been six years.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, six years. It's been 11 years since the start.

[Brian Rose]

I know where you been for six years. Were you boycotting me?

[Dan Pena]

No, no. I mean, as you know, I mean the seminar I give now, I only give it my home, Gutsford Castle. And I still speak pro bono at universities. And I'm not going to stop that. I've got a couple of new leafs to extend my table or my Runway, so to speak. And I'm still busy. I'm involved directly in 26 companies, indirectly in about 100. And I keep the kids, which, you know, I call everybody a kid because I'm either old enough to be your grandfather or your father. I keep the kids on their toes and I do my best, which is better than 99.9% of anybody else, to keep them accountable. Almost all the things you just mentioned. Okay, the answer is accountability. There was a. Oh, not a book. I think maybe Mrs. Gates Bill's mother wrote a book about when she had Warren Buffett over for dinner, you know, 40 years ago. And they were sitting around the table, and Warren's there, Bill Gates Sr. His dad, the lawyer, and Bill. And so there was a lull in the conversation, and his mom said, well, what would you. And she didn't point the question either at Bill or Ed Warren. What would you say is the single. One single thing using one word for your success? They both said at the same time, focus. And what I've said for 50 years of my career and 33 years of coaching the guy or gal or it. Now that gets laser beam focused first stays laser beam focus. Longest, wins most. And it's about focus. And focus is the answer to almost all those comments that you made. The president is focused. He's not just focused on getting even with the people that fucked him around. Nobody has won an office in politics around the world. I believe that didn't get as much shit as he got, okay? And he's still there. And I wouldn't bet against him being

[Brian Rose]

a president again in 29.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

You're predicting Trump will still be in

[Dan Pena]

that Oval Office, just as I predicted. One negative oil in 2020, just as I predicted he was going to bomb Iran, and he bombed Iran. To say he thinks outside the box is an understatement. A biblical proportion. He doesn't even have a box. He thinks out of the stratosphere. And so whatever you think absolutely he cannot do, he will do. Now, I'm told I have no absolute proof about this, but he's got people that are backing him, haven't told him they're working on changing the Constitution with their money. Not his money, not the government money, with their money, so he can run again. So we'll see. I told you just before we went on air, my career has been lengthened, my Runway has been lengthened due to President Trump Because 75% of the things I agree with, 25% of the things he does, I wouldn't do the way he does them. But he's president. I'm not. Okay? And he can get away with. I want to say murder, but he can get away with anything because he's the most powerful guy on the planet.

[Brian Rose]

How is he extended your Runway? Because he's going to lower rates because he's pumping. It makes it cool to be brave again.

[Dan Pena]

Correct. I haven't seen the buzzes in New York city since the 80s, walking around the 80s. I mean, people are walking, like, on skateboards, you know, From Back from the Future people, you know, you're not ashamed to make. Well, when I was there, if you made two or three million dollars, you got your balls busted. You're not ashamed to make 20, 30 million bucks now a year? And some of the guys. We had a hedge fund guy that came to the seminar in November. He was deciding whether he was going to make 21 or 31 million dollars a quarter. Okay. And whether he was going to push it into the next year. This. That people were afraid to say that.

[Brian Rose]

Right. A year ago, you couldn't say that.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

But now you can again, because it's cool now to be bold, brave and boisterous.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Right. Yeah. And it's not unheard of now to have other people other than myself have their alligator mouth overload their hummingbird ass. I mean, I fucked up. I made a mistake. It cost six million dollars. So what? I made you 80 million last quarter. They used to see that in the 80s, smaller numbers. But now you can see it again in 2024, 2025, and going into 2026, for sure.

[Brian Rose]

Isn't that incredible that one guy can change the whole vibe of the world in 10, 12 months?

[Dan Pena]

The opposite side of the coin, they're saying so did Hitler and so did Mussolini, so did Mao Zedong, so did Stalin. And obviously there's some truth to that.

[Brian Rose]

How do you rate his first 12 months?

[Dan Pena]

I think he's done great. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that he would do a little more, but he's got a balancing act. We have a balancing act. It's our emotional bank account and our financial bank account. His balancing act is different. I know he wants to get even. Okay. In some cases, I don't blame him. But he's got to run the fucking country.

[Brian Rose]

And.

[Dan Pena]

And he's responsible for a lot of the things that is NATO, et cetera. So he's got a balancing act. And most of these guys, he thinks are wusses that are running these countries, and they are the same thing. It's like I attended a Ford foundation board meeting decades ago with Governor Hugh Carey, former governor of New York, who was on the board. And we sat down and we had been tuned up, drinking too much at lunch. And so there was something that came up about child education. And we're going to table it to the next meeting. Fifteen months later, I'm at this board meeting again with Governor Kerry tuned up. The same fucking thing comes up, and they're going to table it again. That's how the corporate world is. Was then is now and probably forever will be because nobody wants to be on the hook. Nobody wants to be able to. Brian Rose did this, or Brian Rose approved this, or Dan Pena approved that, or the investment committee that Brian Rose and Dan Pena are on approved this. Nobody wants to take that heat now. But it's been like that for decades in corporate world. And one of the reasons that he's got so much done in Manhattan when he was in the business, whether he started with 4 million or 400 million, depending on which store you want to be believe, is that he went down there. He'd go down there and have people sit in the counselors or in the county offices and push the shit through. Did he buy him lunches? Did he take them on golfing retreats? Maybe. Okay. But up until 2006, those kind of bribes were legal in the European Union. It's only since 2007 they're now called illegal and bribes. You can't do it anymore. But if you've got a, a sales staff, IBM has been working the 20 years that have been taking people for ski weekends to Zermatt for 25 years, and all of a sudden you can't do it or you can't ride it off. Is that going to change anybody's habits? Probably not. So, I mean, and he's dealing with a lot of that, and he's dealing pretty well. I wish some of the cabinet members were a little tougher. I'm told that the guy, which is his czar, that is negotiating with the Middle Eastern guys. Fuck is his favorite word. Witkoff W. That guy who's a very successful billionaire developer and apparently Kushner, although he's supposedly a devout Jew, likes to say fuck and cunt, too. You didn't go to Harvard. You went to MIT. A study came out beginning of 2024, Harvard spent $10 million on this study. The people that use swear words are more effective. 10 million fucking dollars. That's a joke.

[Brian Rose]

You've always said that.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

What do you think, Trump?

[Dan Pena]

You said he could have done more.

[Brian Rose]

What more could he have done? Just pushed harder. Cabinet members that push harder because, man, he's working hard.

[Dan Pena]

He's been soft on Putin. Okay, he likes Putin.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

And he thinks up until just recently that Putin likes him. Putin doesn't like anybody.

[Brian Rose]

Right. He's just playing him.

[Dan Pena]

Exactly right. I would have pushed hard on Putin or the people that were pushing on the people that pushed on Putin. We had a son of an oligarch come to the seminar last year or this year. Now this year. Remember, I trained six of the nine oligarchs in the early 90s. Okay. Well, one of their sons is coming back to seminar now, and he says thank you for not. Nobody knows his dad's name, so thank you for not telling anybody who I am. And he said that the. The people that are under Putin that could take over something happened to him are worse than him.

[Brian Rose]

That's what I hear. Yeah. Yeah. He's the good one.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. Well, I hope this gets settled. It looks like Trump's trying to push it through, but I guess we'll have to see what happens. You just had a seminar, and I asked you how was the caliber of the kids, and then you kind of told me, and then you said, we're fucked up.

[Dan Pena]

The kids are worse, but the results are better. Okay, okay. And the results are better because, you know, even Father Time here moves with change. And so starting about three or four years ago, we started experimenting, testing, blind testing, using those fancy words and what. What we got the best effects with. Before, I'd wait three, four, five years to see how you did. Now I. I wait three or four or five months. Okay. And you questioned me when I came in. You had one live guy there. No, I had two live guys. I actually had three. I had one on webinar. Live on the webinar. And we had two that were live in person there. And they just suck it up. Right?

[Brian Rose]

That makes the difference.

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah. And we use webinars a lot more than we did before.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And, you know, they like to see a guy that looks like them. One of the favorite webinars is a guy, Belgium Waffle One, we call him. He looks like a librarian. Okay. But he's a librarian that's got about 50, 60 million euros now after four years. And he wouldn't say to look at him if you were a terrorist on a bus. He's the last guy you worry about striking back. And he has. He's done terrific. And the Hardcore are very successful because we have a lot of successful people there. And we happen to have. At the Hardcore that he went to. We had a guy who's just about to sell his business for 500 million Swiss francs. Okay. He's been doing this five years. He's turning 30 years old. And. But what we're seeing more of that we didn't see before is people want to exit earlier. They want to exit. They want to be able to have a few years. 30 is nothing. We both know that. Okay. Okay. But they talk like it's the end of the world.

[Brian Rose]

Used to call me a kid at 42.

[Dan Pena]

Exactly. And so the kids having more interface with past successes has really not turned, turned the corner but has shown people in this market post Covid because everybody was scared to death about Corona, which I call, I call Covid Corona. And we're doing better. And the real thing, one of the things in conjunction with the two things I just mentioned is the fact now we really pound seller finance.

[Brian Rose]

We just did a forget the banks for your first couple deals.

[Dan Pena]

There's not a webinar but a testimonial that's going around is an Aussie ex convict. He watched five videos. Five videos. He went out and did a 2.4 million dollar deal and he came to the last hardcore and he says and he's uneducated and he, and he sounds uneducated. He's not pretending to sound that way. He is that way. And he says if I can do that after five videos and right now I'm here to tell you he should have closed today a 20 million dollar mining deal. He offered him 30 million seller finance for a 20 million dollar deal. Remember, you name the price, I name the terms. Right? Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And contrary to what you think, seller finance 100%. So he's buying the guy's business with his own goddamn money and he's doing 10 million more than he was asking because he's going to refinance it in two, three, four years and he's going to pull the purchase price out and put it in his pocket. That's qla? Yep, that's it.

[Brian Rose]

But you said long term, we're fucked.

[Dan Pena]

Why do you say that? I'm at this 50 years and I watched the kids for 33 years and the quality of people that we have come through the seminar are weak. They're just weak. They have no gumption. You know the test, if somebody came up and slapped you or spit in your wife's face, what would you do? There's three alternatives. One A is I'd ask him if he was having a bad day. B C the only answer is you get a brick and you beat his fucking brains out. Failure rate is up to 98.6%. I thought when it was 92% when the test first came out, can't get any worse. Failure rate is up to 98.6. 98.6 of blue blooded Americans, Brits, Aussies, etc would rather switch than fight.

[Brian Rose]

Why is that happening? You really had to think about it.

[Dan Pena]

Poor role models. Okay, we don't do what our parents tell us to do. We do what we see our parents do. Now, I had a assassin say a killing monster for a father. Yes, you did. Okay, so you can't really put me in that pool. But the who I believe with all my heart invented tough love. Okay? When I did something wrong, and when he did come back into town, my mother had a thing on the refrigerator with a refrigerator magnet. The nuns would have beaten me. The priest probably would have beaten me. My mother would have tried to beat me, but she wasn't very successful, she little teeny thing. And then when my dad came home, God forbid, I mean, even if it happened nine weeks before or three months before, my dad beat the shit out of me. And so I never did drugs. Nobody believes that, but it's the truth. I never did drugs because I was afraid my dad would kill me. I mean, literally kill me, not just pretend to kill me. And the guys that came to my 80th birthday, there were four or five guys that have known me since I'm 10, 12, 15 years old. And they all said the same story. We didn't do drugs because we were afraid Mr. Pena would kill us, too. Because if Danny did drugs, that means he got them from us. And their fathers each were happy with that. Fine. Mr. Pena can do the heavy lifting. He can beat the shit out of Howard, he can beat the shit out of Bud, he can beat the shit out of Walt, and my dad did,

[Brian Rose]

so he scared the whole neighborhood straight. Okay, all right, all right. So we're just continuing to degrade and the kids are coming in, and when you can't think it, get it any worse. It's actually worse. And communication still is not probably getting worse.

[Dan Pena]

Communication skills are piss poor.

[Brian Rose]

They say at Harvard, the students don't even turn up to class anymore. They don't engage in debate. And these are Harvard kids.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

You know, and they don't even want to talk to other people.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Well, I believe that. And because of Corona, they've lived on the Internet four or five years.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And they don't have the communication skills at the level they should have if they had been going to class, they had been interacting with other people and. But all the schools are the same. You know, occasionally we get, you know, a bright tool, but all the tools that they have are dull. It's like a carpenter. Nothing sharp. And it's just. And they have other desires. And, you know, right now, information is almost instantaneous, worldwide. You can find out stuff that you really don't need to know, but you can find it out. And the kids today start from, you know, they know how to work a handheld machine since they're three, four, five years old. Okay. And they have have it Internet acted. And a lot of the stuff or that are on these apps is not good for them. It just isn't good for them. The how do you get out of a rat race? How do you create wealth not only

[Brian Rose]

for yourself, but also for the generations to come after?

[Dan Pena]

I am absolutely amazed with, with the quality of companies that we're getting exposure to. We go on to zoom calls with

[Brian Rose]

the innovators and the folks who are building new applications in Metaverse, blockchain, artificial intelligence, decentralized finance.

[Dan Pena]

What's going on, everybody? Thumbs up if you can see me. We are focusing on early stage investment and the quality of people that we're getting exposure to, whether it be Dan Tapiero with one rt, Jason Ma from Oprah, open a Yatsu from Animoca.

[Brian Rose]

It's been a phenomenal experience thus far. It has far exceeded my expectations. We are focusing on cutting edge technologies. I view it now as the best investment I've ever made. The upside I view is unlimited.

[Dan Pena]

And as a retail investor, I would never get this exposure anywhere else outside of investment club. See you in the investment club. Education the. When I graduated from high school, 1963, supposedly education topped out 63. Okay. Now, high school degree from then is like two and a half years of college now. Okay. And it's hard for me to believe I graduated with a 2.55 average in, in out of high school. I only went to college because a couple of the other guys were going to college. And the only college I could get in was school. You got to explain about, okay. Which Belinda gates just gave $248 million to your. To the.

[Brian Rose]

To where you.

[Dan Pena]

Cal State Northridge.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

Did she go there?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. Because it was within the top five woke schools in America.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dan Pena]

And I was negotiating with him to change the name of something for amazing 10 million. They stopped talking to me. Okay, we don't need your money now. You know, we've got plenty of money. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

They're going to stay woke.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, they are certainly woke.

[Brian Rose]

If you had it to do over again. Would you send your kids to college in this day and age?

[Dan Pena]

No, I probably wouldn't.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

No.

[Brian Rose]

Not worth it.

[Dan Pena]

No.

[Brian Rose]

Because you get the mind programming and the education doesn't teach you anything.

[Dan Pena]

In the case of my daughter, I paid for all of it. In the case of our youngest son, he paid himself. That was important to him. But most kids have debt, student debt. And when you come to me at age 41, you still got student debt.

[Brian Rose]

I mean, and you see that with your kids. Damn. And it's big. I mean, you know, bu's not cheap. No, they're rackets. These universities are rackets. Right? They're woke factories that charge hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars to give

[Dan Pena]

people a degree that's basically useless, and then they stay. And the kids today aren't aggressive. When my kids got out of undergrad, I didn't make a phone call to get them a job. Took Kelly seven months to get her first job. Took our son Derek, nine months, but they got a job. Okay. And then she went to New York and started selling real estate and started making 20, 30 grand a month. And I thought, well, she's never going to go to grad school, but she had promised me. So she did go to grad school, and she got in Northwestern, and our son took a couple years off before he went back to grad school. But they will both tell you their graduate degrees mean nothing. Now, in our daughter's case, the big, big boss in the division she works in went to Northwestern, the Medill Communication school, whatever it is. And so that's helped to some. Okay, but unless by serendipity, you happen to go into the same school and the. The big boss. You're close enough to the big boss that he actually recognizes you. I mean, it's, It's. It's a waste of time. Now, there's. I. I interviewed a Kennedy not long ago. Look like Robert Kennedy. He's from that string. I mean, I said, his name's Kennedy, and I said, how many times have you been told? And then he finished the sentence that I look like my great, great grandfather, Robert Kennedy. More than I can count. And has it done you any good? I went to great grammar schools, great junior high schools, great high schools, private. It got me into Harvard. I'm not sure they looked at my forms, but other than that, I'm still unemployed.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, so the degree doesn't count for much these days without the hustle.

[Dan Pena]

Now, if I wanted to, Kennedy's probably a name I'd pick.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Or Rockefeller or somebody.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Rothschild in Europe is different. If you're a Rothschild, your life's made

[Brian Rose]

you get what you want.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, how much longer are you gonna teach seminars?

[Dan Pena]

Well, for sure, as long as Trump's in the White House.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, so it could be till 33.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, for sure. I'm, you know, I'd be crazy. And some of the big things that he's going to do, he hasn't announced yet. The, I'm not surprised that he picked Hayseth to be, they don't call him

[Brian Rose]

Minnesota Secretary of War.

[Dan Pena]

Right?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. War.

[Dan Pena]

I think that's, you know, it's a little bit of a stretch now. I hope that he didn't say like right now it's going viral. The last two guys that were on the ship, they were alive still apparently. And the admiral says they were getting ready to be combative. They're on fire and hate said kill them all. Now I hope they don't have that on tape.

[Brian Rose]

But you know, they asked Trump about it today and he said, well, it is, we are at war, something like that.

[Dan Pena]

So.

[Brian Rose]

All right, so Trump has more stuff planned, but as long as he's in office, it's good for business. Good for you. Because your, the personality type that QLA promotes is the one that Trump now says is the right one.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, but I mean, you don't have to be an alpha male. 98% of the high performance people on the planet are, you know, not alpha males. You know, they're, you know, they're regular people.

[Brian Rose]

You always say that to us, but it's hard for us to hear that because we see you, we see you.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, well, in the first years that I was selling the seminar, which I thought that, you know, it was an easy sell, but we can't be you and the guy, the few guys that have tried to be mini mees got in trouble, okay? We've had a couple of kids arrested for stalking because they wouldn't take no for an answer.

[Brian Rose]

They show up at the bank.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, and Carl Icahn allegedly, you know, got a guy at bank of America fired because he wouldn't take no for an answer. And the me not taking over an answer is different than some little librarian from Kansas. Okay?

[Brian Rose]

So they try to be you and then.

[Dan Pena]

Correct, correct.

[Brian Rose]

Realize they're not.

[Dan Pena]

But I wish I had made a deal in the beginning for two or three tailors, three piece suits, rolls, Rolex watches and a few other things because, you know, they, you only have two times to make a first impression. First, when I look at you. Second, when you open your mouth. And even the guys that dress nice like you, when they open their mouth, they put their foot in it, okay? And even though they have the scripts and all the things which, you know, you Know, saying stuttering, I mean, doesn't do you much good. And at my 80th birthday, we had the first and only student that I gave an A when I taught. Okay, John Macias, he was a stutterer. He doesn't stutter now. He's a psychotherapist now. The first multimillionaire, teenage multimillionaire. Matt Posius, he was first Internet guys, you know, rode around in Lamborghinis with girls with big tits, you know, okay, he was there with his wife and the, the first guy that I helped on Wall street who's a big partner now with JP Morgan. So those first. And. But even when I wasn't coaching, I was always making people accountable, you know, and Wall street day ended when we were on the west coast ends at three, two, whatever, it ends, we're there eight at night, I mean, doing the work because we couldn't depend on the research that was coming out at that time. Now some places had great research. We were not one of those places. We weren't.

[Brian Rose]

Okay?

[Dan Pena]

And we were, we were just fooling ourselves to say that we were. But I mean, this is our market. I keep saying on the seminars, this is our time, you know, what are you going to tell. And you've heard me say this, your grandchildren, 25, 30 years from now, what did you do during the greatest transformation of wealth in the history of the planet? What, sit with your thumb up your ass? Now the grandkids won't say that. Okay, well what are you going to tell them? And it reminds me, you know, this is an awful thing I say about my family. My family has mortgage burning parties. You pay off your mortgage after 30, 40 years, you have a block party and a 55 gallon barrel drum, you barbecue and you're burning the mortgage on it. And I first saw that when I was 12, 13, 14, and I asked my dad, what the fuck, why are they, what proof do they have that they own the fucking house? Okay? But they were doing it in defiance. You know, fuck you, I'm bringing my mortgage. I'm sure there's still some people that have that mentality, but that was their

[Brian Rose]

great accomplishment, to pay off a 30 year mortgage, right?

[Dan Pena]

And not to dream just as I was a first kid on my mother's family. That's the only reason I went back to college, to graduate from college. Nobody had ever graduated. So when I came back, because I needed to go back to school, like I needed aids, I mean, didn't do me any good.

[Brian Rose]

Well, I dress this way cause of You. That's the truth. As much as I might.

[Dan Pena]

John. Kent's retired, I hear.

[Brian Rose]

Yes, Kent. John is not around as much, but Terry's there in great form and they're doing big business. They're doing a lot of business in the States now.

[Dan Pena]

Really?

[Brian Rose]

They're going to New York and Miami and just lots of client business. So they're hot again. I think you probably made them hot. They got a lot of business from you. From me? Yeah. It's very good. What's hot right now because I know you've been big on CyberSecurity the last five years, but now you were talking. AI is what you're into now.

[Dan Pena]

Well, if you're not an AI, go home.

[Brian Rose]

I mean, every business, okay, I don't

[Dan Pena]

care if you're a plumber, in your website, put AI at the end, you know, I mean, you might as well go home. It's the future and I said 40 to 60%. 10 to 20 years from now, 40 to 60%. All jobs, I used to say entry level jobs. I don't do that anymore. It's all jobs are going to be replaced by AI.

[Brian Rose]

So what is that?

[Dan Pena]

We have, we have robots, the castle.

[Brian Rose]

You do?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, we. Gordon one and Gordon Two serving drinks.

[Brian Rose]

Huh?

[Dan Pena]

No, no, no. Doing the yard work. Really. And my staff is crazy with insecurity. Really. We haven't laid anybody off. Okay, but we're getting four more robots.

[Brian Rose]

Gardener robots.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, in the house robots.

[Brian Rose]

Really.

[Dan Pena]

G and T, John. G and T. Gin and tonic. Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Wait till Elon starts cranking down.

[Dan Pena]

And they don't take time off. They're never fucking sick. They don't eat.

[Brian Rose]

Until one day you wake up in the castle and they're standing over you.

[Dan Pena]

Well, now you've probably heard this story, going to MIT, it was about 10, 11 years ago. They had a grand masters, might be Caltech, your dad's alma mater, but one of those two schools had a big chess tournament and it had the four or five grandmasters that were around at that time against the newest IBM computer. It was a three day tournament, blah, blah, blah, and at the end, the humans won by this much. And so the guy, the moderator, a Caltech professor, probably had hair like this. Said something to the effect, well, can we learn anything over and above what happened at the recent tournament that you lost to these guys and don't trust us, don't trust us. They're going to eat our lunch.

[Brian Rose]

Is this how the world's going to end?

[Dan Pena]

I think so.

[Brian Rose]

They're going to End us. The ultimate exterminating factor. And that happens.

[Dan Pena]

I love watching those movies. Like what? Robot Robot with Will Smith.

[Brian Rose]

Odd Robot. Yeah. You think it's going to happen in 50 years? 100 years, yeah. Wow.

[Dan Pena]

You're going to die before me. So you'll already be dead. I plan on. I still have to go into space, right? One of my goals. And have sex with Sally.

[Brian Rose]

Right. I heard this recently.

[Dan Pena]

Okay, yeah, well. And we already. Sally already put our down payment. You can pay 20 million to the Ruskies tonight and go. No training, no nothing. They'll come and pick you up right here outside the building.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

And you're on the space station in three days.

[Brian Rose]

Risky craft in the 80s. Yeah. Is it safe?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, it's. It's safe is you're gonna get anybody to take you.

[Brian Rose]

All right.

[Dan Pena]

If you do a NASA five years

[Brian Rose]

before you can go.

[Dan Pena]

No, the training.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, the training. Oh, right. The riskies.

[Dan Pena]

Don't care. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

And you don't want to do one of these chicken ones where you go.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. No, no, no, no.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

I felt. I felt sorry for the Star Trek guy. 91, when he went up. He just went up for eight seconds, two minutes. He almost. He came back, he looked like he was dead.

[Brian Rose]

With Bezos? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was hanging out with him a couple years ago at a crypto conference. Yeah. Nice guy. Legendary guy. So you're gonna go up for real with Sally? That's on the goal list.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

What else?

[Dan Pena]

Sex in space.

[Brian Rose]

Sex in space.

[Dan Pena]

And even if I burn up a reentry, you're done. I don't give a shit.

[Brian Rose]

All right. And Sally's okay with you saying that?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. All right.

[Dan Pena]

Sally says we gotta somehow get shields or block, you know, she's not against the sex and space party, but she doesn't want it to be so. You can look at it on your cell phone down here.

[Brian Rose]

Somebody will be watching.

[Dan Pena]

Well, I'm sure somebody's gonna be watching.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. All right, so that' on the bucket list. What else? What else?

[Dan Pena]

I am the newly appointed apostle of finance for the Catholic Church.

[Brian Rose]

I heard about this.

[Dan Pena]

How did you hear about it? I didn't tell anybody.

[Brian Rose]

Lord help us.

[Dan Pena]

Well, you were.

[Brian Rose]

You were.

[Dan Pena]

The Lord is helping us now.

[Brian Rose]

After a few drinks. You were talking about it in your. In your post conference stories. You kind of.

[Dan Pena]

Oh yeah, yeah. The guys asked me.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Cuz now I take calls now. I never took calls before. It's the Vatican. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

All right, now you. Let's talk about this. First of all you were just 95.

[Dan Pena]

Looks like you really a regular guy. A regular guy.

[Brian Rose]

I mean, I'm not just a regular.

[Dan Pena]

No, no. I'm well dressed. But I mean smart. Well, great broadcaster. Well. Well, he's not a broadcaster.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Somebody asked him when we were there about podcast. He didn't know what we were talking about really.

[Brian Rose]

He's a different kind of pope, right?

[Dan Pena]

Correct. And he's the smart guy from Chicago. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

He's good with numbers, too. He ran the. The books for a while.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. And they say.

[Brian Rose]

And that's why you're involved.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Because he was going to sort the books out. Part of the reason I heard now hurt me if I'm wrong, because he was out of the blue, got elected. But people were saying the whispers at the time were, it's all flashing to me now is that he maybe was the only guy that could sort out the books. And the books were a mess.

[Dan Pena]

Well, he doesn't think he can sort it out, but he thinks he can oversee the sorting out.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Now you have a long.

[Dan Pena]

It's a ten year project.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

I said I can do it in seven.

[Brian Rose]

Were you recently knighted by the Vatican as well?

[Dan Pena]

Two knights.

[Brian Rose]

Two knights? Which ones?

[Dan Pena]

Wait, two knighthoods? A Commander of the Cross, Knight of Templar? One. Other one. Five.

[Brian Rose]

Why won't you accept a British knighthood?

[Dan Pena]

Well, I haven't been offered and we're working on that. I want to sit in the House of Lords.

[Brian Rose]

You do?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, my God. You can sit next to Lord Bailey, the guy that ran against me for mayor. Jesus, there's some dummies in there.

[Dan Pena]

I don't know him, but. Well, not my friend, but Lord Lily, who used to be on my board,

[Brian Rose]

used to call them all Lord Shitbags.

[Dan Pena]

Correct?

[Brian Rose]

I did, because.

[Dan Pena]

But I am one now, so it's. All right. All right.

[Brian Rose]

So that's still on the cards?

[Dan Pena]

Oh, absolutely. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

I thought you'd been offered before, but you'd turned.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, no, no.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. All right. So you got these different knighthoods. The queen. The cross is from the queen, right?

[Dan Pena]

Yes. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

And then the Vatican knighthood, and then maybe the British knighthood. You would accept it if offered?

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. We need probably somebody besides labor in to get you that one, Right? Probably. Okay, let's talk about the Vatican, because famous quote, when you were with Freshfields, right. We do business with the bank of England, the Church of England, the Queen of England.

[Dan Pena]

And Dan Pena.

[Brian Rose]

And Dan Pena. But you were doing business with the Vatican back Then or you knew about.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, no.

[Brian Rose]

We shared a law firm.

[Dan Pena]

Well, partly, but in 1982.

[Brian Rose]

I know way too much about you, dan.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. In 1982, when the Vatican bank explosion of corruption with the mafia and the Archbishop Manchinkas, who was the guy, and I kissed his ring I don't know how many times, was found to be laundering money, but he just died recently in Arizona at the retirement home for his. His Order of Priests. So in those days, you didn't put people in jail, you just shipped them off someplace.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

And the. The then Secretary of State was involved and I was involved. And the deal blew up and a lot of guys went to jail. A few got killed. The. Carlo Rivo, who was called the. The mafia banker who was in the Vatican bank, allegedly hung himself from a London bridge right here. Okay. And blackfires bridge tie behind his back.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, that was in the 80s, right? Yeah, I remember hearing that.

[Dan Pena]

283. Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Something that. No, normally doesn't happen in London.

[Dan Pena]

No, it doesn't.

[Brian Rose]

Right. Something that.

[Dan Pena]

Okay, wrong. So then in the 90s, I came back again. 15 years had passed. I didn't get in trouble. I was a co. Conspirator, unindicted co conspirator. I was at the low end. So they didn't. They thought. They thought then and probably now that I wasn't high up enough to get. Do anything harmful. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

High up in which organization?

[Dan Pena]

In. In the. In the bank. I was at that time with Onassis Group. Right. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

And so then in the 90s, I decided, you know, we should resurrect this because I volunteered because the church was almost bankrupt in the early 80s. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, closer to bankruptcy today because of all the billions they paid out for the abuse, rulings against them, rightfully so, that they did all this bad stuff. They're little kids. Okay. So then I went back in the. In the early 90s, and I said, let's get this fucking thing going again.

[Brian Rose]

And the only reason we're talking about the church is because they brainwashed you as an altar boy, correct?

[Dan Pena]

No, I was to admit that I was the one to be alterable. I never got to be an altar.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, that's why.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

So this is the.

[Dan Pena]

My family in your heart. My family couldn't afford the $8 for the little uniform. Okay. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

So you say I have trauma issues. You have trauma?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, mine are with God. Yours aren't with your guy. Yours are with your father.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, really?

[Dan Pena]

Yes, yes.

[Brian Rose]

That's why you're here.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[Brian Rose]

All right.

[Dan Pena]

I'm here to save your soul. Okay. See, I was going to wait till the end. Now, I say it now.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Is it working?

[Dan Pena]

So I went back in the 90s and I said, I want to resurrect this.

[Brian Rose]

And.

[Dan Pena]

And so everybody, we're still almost broke. And so at that time, a Carmelite priest who I'd known all my life, he was kind of like our family priest. I said, john, I want somebody to hear my confession. Well, John said, well, Dan, I've known you all your life. I'll hear your confession. No, I want a senior guy. So they found me this war correspondent priest named Monsignor Parisina. So I prepared for about a month. And I had a yellow tab, legal tab, this long, every line on both sides of the paper, with thousands and thousands and thousands of sins. So I went there for to hear him, to hear my confession. We're sitting in his drawing room and I said, bless me, Father, I've sinned. It has been such and such years now. They call it reconciliation. And so I get about to the third page, so he says, Excuse me, Mr. Pena, which isn't just like this. And he takes it from me and he flips through and he says, sodom and Gomorrah have got nothing on you. You maimed, murdered, killed. Correct. So he takes it, he goes over to the fireplace, he throws it in the fireplace. I go over there, try to get it. Why are you doing that, Monsignor? Nobody should see that. So we're sitting back having our coffee, and I said, what's my penance? He says, go home and hug your wife and say you love your wife and your kids. What kind of goddamn penance is that? Anyway, the next morning, my priest buddy calls me, says, dan, you're sitting down. Monsignor Pursina died last night after he saw you.

[Brian Rose]

Peter Thiel took a half a million dollars and turned it into a billion dollars using the exact same techniques we're using inside the investment club. He met a CEO. His name was Zuckerberg. He pitched him the deal and he said, okay, I'll give you half a million dollars. Mark went public and sold the shares to people like you. Well, what happened, happened to Peter. Well, he exited and got a 2300x return. The wealthy invest in early stage companies, folks. The public markets are for suckers. It's a rigged game. By the way, this happens in crypto as well. It's called pre sale tokens. This is Solana. Does anybody Know this chain, they sold pre sale tokens for $0.04. And you can see the date on there. April 5, 2018. Look at Solana today, folks. That thing's up over over a thousand x. The media and Wall street and all these hype people get you to buy the top. Meanwhile they put their clients in at the bottom and they use you for liquidity to make their clients rich. You can play this same game. You just have to have the financial education and the deal flow. That's it.

[Dan Pena]

So I decided to put back on

[Brian Rose]

the evil rubbed off on him.

[Dan Pena]

Nobody wants me to fix anything. Okay. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Because you were going to help that correct.

[Dan Pena]

All right. And they know I know how to do it. Okay. Okay. Fast forward 20.

[Brian Rose]

Divine stopping you or is somebody behind the scenes pushing buttons?

[Dan Pena]

They say the devil. Okay, okay.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, but there's a lot of things happening behind the scenes.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Okay. So fast forward 25 years. I decided it's time to do it again. Like in the last few years, I'm, you know, getting these awards from the church. I got to see the Pope eight weeks ago. Who's a nice guy, regular guy.

[Brian Rose]

That's not easy to do is.

[Dan Pena]

Huh?

[Brian Rose]

That's not.

[Dan Pena]

No, it is. Right. But if you need something done, Brian, there's only one guy, you know, no matter what, they can get it done. That's me. No matter what. And so anyway, so I come back and I start enlisting my, my little staff. And the day before yesterday, the Archbishop of Los Angeles, Gomez, was contacted by one of my mentees. And the, and we, we are pushing it forward. There's. They're sitting on between 3 and 7 trillion dollars in revenue. They're not collecting 3 and 7.

[Brian Rose]

Revenue.

[Dan Pena]

Revenue. Okay. So let's just say it's 3.

[Brian Rose]

These are contributions from churches.

[Dan Pena]

Five years ago, if you were a parish priest, you collect your life between 7 and $12,000 a week in the basket.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Now you get 50 bucks. 100. 300.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, right. Okay.

[Dan Pena]

They haven't paid their light bills and those kind of bills for eons. Okay. And the only reason they haven't been evicted is because it's the Catholic Church.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. Okay. So I've been working on this for two or three years, and Sally and I have built. And I hooked up with St. Teresa and I put my money on her before she was a saint, one of the treasures, because she had a cutthroat business attitude. She would do anything, lie, cheat, steal in the name of the kids. Okay. Which I won't lie, but I certainly have stolen. And so the. And we built missions in Sri Lanka, China, the Philippines, Japan, the United States for the last 20 years for the Missionaries of Charity, which is St. Teresa now. Saint.

[Brian Rose]

You're quite involved in that.

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah, Very well. And, you know, not just with money.

[Brian Rose]

You go visit, too.

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah. I see all the kids. And I've actually taken a kid that is put in the tray at one of St Therese's missions with the umbilical cord cut. They put the kid in the tray, and so the nuns on the other side of the wall pull the kid out. And then I've seen that kid raised through grammar school, junior high school, college, in some cases get married, in some cases get a job. Because I've been doing it over 20 years, so I've seen the cycle. I can see with these eyes, you know, that's actually happening.

[Brian Rose]

Why is he in a tray? Because he's being.

[Dan Pena]

He's being.

[Brian Rose]

By his mom.

[Dan Pena]

He's being abandoned because.

[Brian Rose]

Out of wedlock or just like you. Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Abandoned in a different way.

[Brian Rose]

Like all your kids.

[Dan Pena]

Okay, okay.

[Brian Rose]

All your devotees.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, exactly. Okay. Seriously, all my devotees have been abandoned in one sense or another. I know why we're here. Okay. Okay. Okay. And so. But I've seen that with my own eyes. And so that must be a trip. Oh, oh, yeah. And the first one, about two or three years ago, had a kid. She went out and got married, and she married some guy in the. In the army. I hope she doesn't watch this. You could have done a lot better. But anyway, they get a paycheck every two weeks, so that's better than most of the people that work in the Philippines.

[Brian Rose]

Are the kids better off going to the nuns than their parents, do you think?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Because they're so true. Then after the parents find out they're getting three square meals a day, then they try to hit on the kids when they're in junior high school and high school for money.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

And I've advised the nuns, you can't give it to them. What about charity? I don't give a. You know, I'm always saying, God damn, you can't do that, Sister or Mother Superior. You know, you're just feeding their habit. And they come with almost needles hanging from their arm.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Trying to squeeze the kids for some extra cash.

[Dan Pena]

Exactly.

[Brian Rose]

After they abandoned them 12 years earlier.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, 15 or 18 years earlier. And sometimes we've got. Check the DNA. I don't believe it's a mother. And five times out of 10, I'm right. It's just somebody. Because you can rent kids in the Philippines and in China for like 100 rupees a day, which is like 8 cents. So you can go beg on the street.

[Brian Rose]

Renting kids to beg. Okay, okay.

[Dan Pena]

Just imagine if you had been rented out.

[Brian Rose]

I could have made more money than.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, maybe so. Maybe so.

[Brian Rose]

All right. So you're gonna fix the Catholic church. It's a 10 year project.

[Dan Pena]

You're excited about it, 7 to 10.

[Brian Rose]

Are they gonna give you.

[Dan Pena]

Well, we're gonna attack the US first. Okay, okay. In the biggest parish in the US that's in trouble is paid out 1.56 billion in reparations to the kids is LA. That's run by a guy named Gomez who happens to be from Mexico. Right. Where my mother's from. Okay, okay, right from my mother's from. And 25 parishes in the United States. But they're all run like fiefdoms. Each cardinal or archbishop runs like a business and they don't know. One of the bishops I met with on my last trip happened to be a successful businessman. Before he went over to God, he was a PhD in electrical engineering. I mean, he was a smart guy. He said he's a smart guy. He may actually, I. Watch this. I sent him an email. Watch this Bishop and the. So we're going to attack it diocese by diocese. Okay. And then when we're successful in the US and 60% of my personal portfolio is health care, their biggest assets are hospitals. They have 3100 hospitals in the United States. Okay. Okay. They have 2600 schools. Okay. Notre Dame is the most obvious one. Okay. That all lose their ass.

[Brian Rose]

Right. So they run terrible businesses.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

And you can change that.

[Dan Pena]

I can change it. Not overnight. Right.

[Brian Rose]

But they need the income because they're not getting anywhere else.

[Dan Pena]

No. Well, there's some people that are struck off. In other words, for example, Goldman Sachs can't do business with them because they try to. I don't know all the details, but they may have tried to twist the facts so they could get a loan 15, 20 years ago. And so they're out the door.

[Brian Rose]

Can you change that?

[Dan Pena]

No. Well, those guys were forced to retire, I'm told. And the interesting thing about it, there's a lot of closet Catholics.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. I had no idea how many Catholics. I know.

[Brian Rose]

There's a lot of closet religious people coming out of the closet thanks to Trump. I mean, you know, you see it all the time now. It's like everyone now is talking about Christianity at least. And it's now become en vogue quite a bit. I don't know if that'll last.

[Dan Pena]

Well, enrollment in education in the Catholic schools is down 60%.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

Okay. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

All right.

[Dan Pena]

And the enrollment or not enrollment, the attendance in Sunday Mass etc is down 85%.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. And they have no money and they can't sell any assets. They're sitting on 8 or 10 trillion in assets. Art, gold from World War II, diamonds, etc.

[Brian Rose]

They're not allowed to sell it.

[Dan Pena]

No, it's, you know, either St. Paul said or somebody said it. Okay. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Will you try to change that or no?

[Dan Pena]

Well, no, no, we can turn as soon as we turn around as first archdiocese you have a case study. Okay, well, case study where as soon as we get some positive results, we're going to start working on two or three others at the same time. And the.

[Brian Rose]

It's.

[Dan Pena]

It's.

[Brian Rose]

How hard is this going to be to do?

[Dan Pena]

At least 50 of my time. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

And it's probably one of the hardest things you've ever had to pull off.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Because it's a massive bureaucracy.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah. But I did it in Siemens.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, true. Which one's harder with Siemens?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

The Germans. There's a right way, a wrong way and a Siemens way. I know how to do this, you know. Okay. I know how to do it.

[Brian Rose]

50 of your time on that.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

The other 50 split between you being chairman of 26 companies and then teaching and giving Sally some attention.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, I have to.

[Brian Rose]

But Sally does everything with you.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, but I have to up my attention with Sally. I mean, the. She's put 30 good years in, but I was teasing her this morning. If I was an unkind person, honey, I'd say you look older and she's sitting with curlers and shit on her head, you know, and she says, well, that's a kind thing to say. And I said, but I wouldn't say something like that because when I get done with Brian Rose going to look all glamorous. I was thinking about when I was driving over here in my Phantom. This is.

[Brian Rose]

Do you.

[Dan Pena]

Can you walk around here at night?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, yeah, you can.

[Dan Pena]

Audience. That's a lie. But anyway, if we invite you over, I have a bodyguard with me, so.

[Brian Rose]

Can you walk around Mayfair at night these days? Not with a watch. Not with a Patek on, no. Oh, that's your London.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

What happened? We'll get into it.

[Dan Pena]

Exactly what I told you about the kids. So since I met you, what's happened in My life. Let's see. I bought Sally a 16, 18 and 22 karat diamond rings. Okay. I, I'm a NetJet owner. And I told you, you can't afford, you can't make a good enough reason to get a plane, remember? Yeah, my speech.

[Brian Rose]

It's not worth it.

[Dan Pena]

Well, yeah, at 80, I can, I can make up an excuse for anything.

[Brian Rose]

All right, so you Net jet it. Unless you're going in or tomorrow.

[Dan Pena]

We're commercial, but I mean, less than transatlantic. 2,000 miles is a NetJet. We have NetJet in America and we have NetJet here in Europe.

[Brian Rose]

And that's been a good move, right?

[Dan Pena]

You don't like airports, but we don't use netjet. Like there should be six or eight people on the plane with us, but there's only two, Sally and I. Okay. And occasionally a flight attendant, but. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

You're very lucky.

[Dan Pena]

That's not the right way to use NetJet. Right. Is, you know, when you have six or eight in the plane. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

But you guys don't. You are very lucky to have Sally. She's an angel.

[Dan Pena]

Sure, absolutely. 100%.

[Brian Rose]

Amen to that. That was a great, great, great call.

[Dan Pena]

As is your wife.

[Brian Rose]

Yes. You know, we're both lucky, right?

[Dan Pena]

How old are your boys now?

[Brian Rose]

Eight and nine. And I told them you were coming today and they were like, who's this trillion dollar guy? Who's this guy? So I showed him, you know, pictures of us in the castle and they were, they were asking me questions about the, the trillion. The trillion got their attention. And I said Gabby had been up to your castle for the 70th and she gave a speech at your 70th birthday party. And they were very articulated for 12 actually.

[Dan Pena]

Very articulate for anybody. Not just 10 or 12.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, she was 12 then. Yeah, she kind of shocked the audience. I think you guys just grabbed her and said, do you want to say something? And she's improv it.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Better than your father.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, probably right.

[Dan Pena]

That's exactly what I said.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. Yeah. Better than I could have done, especially then. But yeah, who knows, maybe the boys will come up and see you at some point. 14 year olds is the youngest.

[Dan Pena]

You did 14.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. And you kind of.

[Dan Pena]

You'd have to come back with them.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Oh, gosh. In fact, we just had the Caroline's. Well, now he's 18. He came when he was 15. I'm educating second generation of these kids. And I told you the son of one of the oligarchs came at the Last seminar. And the Russian mentality about taking action and, you know, being harsh and selfish and et cetera. You don't have to teach them that, right? I mean, it's just in the culture. Yeah, yeah. And we almost have a fight where we had two Russians and two Ukrainians at the last seminar also. And they don't like each other. For real? For real. Real. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

For real.

[Dan Pena]

Real. And the. When they boxed and when they boxed. Oh, coincidentally, one Russian and one Ukrainian boxed.

[Brian Rose]

Coincidentally.

[Dan Pena]

And one could. Had infinitely more skills than the other. So it wasn't. I couldn't really tell.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Because when you're on your back all the time, I mean, you're not much, you fight back, blah, blah, but you're still boxing.

[Brian Rose]

I have my second boxing match.

[Dan Pena]

I saw it.

[Brian Rose]

You did?

[Dan Pena]

Thank you for watching the 19 year old skinny kid.

[Brian Rose]

He was six foot three. I mean, Jesus. And he had that, that young kid, nervous energy. I've never been hit that hard in my head that first round. But by the third round, he didn't want anymore.

[Dan Pena]

Look, it was, why don't you go five rounds then?

[Brian Rose]

I would have loved to. David Hay was training me. World class boxer, British champion. And he came, he called first of all, he said, you won that fight. I was like, okay. But he said, if that had gone five rounds, you easily would have won it because my cardio is my strength. You agree? I agree that if I went, but

[Dan Pena]

I got so tired of the announcer saying how fabulous you look for 54. I said, yeah, but I, I wanted to say his heart's only that big. Okay?

[Brian Rose]

That big.

[Dan Pena]

A small. No, no, I'm not talking about the heart to fight, but I mean the heart to take emotional risk.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

It's only that big.

[Brian Rose]

That, that, that's all.

[Dan Pena]

Well, maybe it's grown since I. I knew you better.

[Brian Rose]

Are you gonna tell me what's wrong with me now?

[Dan Pena]

No, no. I don't want to embarrass, you know, I want you to buy more Kent suits and at some point you gotta. So when do you close this thing down?

[Brian Rose]

So look, I'm spending a lot of time in Dubai. Have been for a while. I like it out there. There's a lot of business out there, a lot of blockchain business. And also, you know what London's like. You know what Britain's like, It's.

[Dan Pena]

I know what the British are like.

[Brian Rose]

You know what the British are like. I mean, you're still here, but I'm

[Dan Pena]

a British citizen now.

[Brian Rose]

As am I. And I came here I mean, look, I fell in love with this place maybe the way you did. And when I first got here, maybe I felt the same way. You did? As in, I looked around and I thought, I can beat these guys at what they do. That's the first feeling I got. And my first 10, 15 years here in the city, I had a lot of success. But now, I don't know. Is it just wearing a little thin? I don't know. I just feel like the country is on the decline. I just don't feel like the opportunities are here. And I just feel like there's just a little bit of a grind here. Whereas when I'm in Dubai, it feels like the sky's the limit and I'm around.

[Dan Pena]

Well, Dubai is.

[Brian Rose]

You spent time there?

[Dan Pena]

Las Vegas without slot machines.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, what does that mean?

[Dan Pena]

That means when I came here in 1981.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

With what I knew, it was like taking candy from a baby. Okay. And the stories of me choking investment bankers or doing that kind of. I will need or confirm to deny, but some of them are true.

[Brian Rose]

Nobody was as aggressive as.

[Dan Pena]

You know, I ate these guys for lunch.

[Brian Rose]

And they didn't work anywhere near as hard as you did.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, no.

[Brian Rose]

And they didn't think the way you did. Outside the box.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

And you didn't have that. We can do it. We're going to do it. No matter what I say.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Because that's the opposite of everything British.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Especially back then.

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

So they've caught up a little. Right. But I mean, but now they act like they wrote the book, which. No, they're still reading somebody else's book. Right. Okay. And Dubai is where. But I mean, I've got. Sally and I were there five months ago for two closings for two of my kids. One Nelly. And this is public information, so I'm not doing anything bad. $100 million closing at the close. The government took 20 million of his money, so he got 80 million. Okay. Happens all the time. Okay. Yesterday, 50 grand at the close, taken an extra fee that came up.

[Brian Rose]

Where was this?

[Dan Pena]

Dubai. Okay. Okay. And then the Carlings, who just are from Dundee, sold their company to a Japanese company. And the clothes wasn't in. In Dubai, but they were there. So we celebrated their deal. Okay. And they sold for a few hundred million bucks their. Their maintenance company, which is all over the uk But Dubai is where it's happening. But I mean you got to know who you're in business with. And there's two or three non Dubai based law firms in other words, American or English based law firms that have run the test of time there. And if you don't have one of those guys and, or a Dubai partner that is born and bred and carries a Dubai passport, you can get very easily.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Very easy.

[Brian Rose]

It's better than it used to be. But it's still.

[Dan Pena]

Oh yeah, you used to.

[Brian Rose]

A few years ago you had to have an Emirati on your board or in your company. I mean, that's changed, but still you gotta watch it.

[Dan Pena]

You have to watch it.

[Brian Rose]

What's Hagnelli buying there?

[Dan Pena]

Huh? No, no.

[Brian Rose]

Well, he's the South African conglomerate.

[Dan Pena]

I'm wondering what's he doing? He closed the fund to buy part of De Beers. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

And they there? They were there.

[Dan Pena]

And the money's there.

[Brian Rose]

Money?

[Dan Pena]

Oh, the money was there. And he's paying, I think two and a half percent interest and lump sum, 25 years.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

No payment, nothing.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Interest or principal for 25 years.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. He got that financing?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, you can't find that any place.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. Of all that of the area, Dan and I know you know the area. If you look at Saudi Arabia, Qatar Emirates and I. And again in my seminar we had a Qatari guy there. So I know you know all those guys. I know you've been doing business in Kuwait and everywhere since the beginning. Which if you had to go to one of those places now at say you were 30 years old, which one would you go to?

[Dan Pena]

The same. When I went to Kuwait really. But I mean I was dealing with the top dog.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Ala.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

What if you weren't in the oil business and you were just going to today. But Pena as a young man, I know you would have said 10 years ago, but Dubai and then do business in the area.

[Dan Pena]

Now I'm not as familiar with Abu Dhabi. The.

[Brian Rose]

It's quieter where all the money is. Yeah, that's what everyone says. And where the oil is, obviously.

[Dan Pena]

But I mean, oil, it costs about 2 bucks to get the oil from discovery to extraction in America. It's 52 bucks.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, really?

[Dan Pena]

It's no comparison. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

It's two bucks out there.

[Dan Pena]

Two, actually, less than two.

[Brian Rose]

It just flows right to the side.

[Dan Pena]

I mean you can almost dig it with your hand.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. Everywhere out there.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

So it's just. Okay. So really money just flows from the earth?

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

I mean literally. And there's a thing in the Quran, I forget where I've read it about goodness flowing from the earth and that's, you know.

[Brian Rose]

But did Muhammad know?

[Dan Pena]

No, he Didn't. But J. Paul Getty, who discovered oil in Saudi Arabia in 1926 or whenever it was, was looking for water. Okay. Okay. Because if they didn't get water there, they'd be dead now. There'd be no Middle East. Okay. Okay. So serendipity and Allah's will. Water.

[Brian Rose]

So Getty found the oil.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Wow. And he owned it for a while, and then he had to.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Well, no, he didn't give. He stolen back.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

For a lot more than, you know. It only cost in those days. It cost 800 bucks to drill a well. He was charging then 80,000, so. And he drilled 6, 8, 900 wells.

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[Dan Pena]

So we made a bunch of money there. But the problem, when Giddy died, he did everything in the foundation. The never paid a dollar tax. He's famous for having a pay phone in his house, you know, and for

[Brian Rose]

not paying ransom to his grandkid.

[Dan Pena]

Exactly. And he's. Oh, God. I met the kid without a missing ear. He's dead now.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

I mean, talk about up, you know, he said, I have 12 more grandchildren according to Getty legend. Would you hear their names and their addresses?

[Brian Rose]

Go grab them.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, and I got.

[Brian Rose]

They got the kid back. Eventually the police found him.

[Dan Pena]

It's the only time the Italian secretary Police Secret Service did something. And the joke is they bumped into them by accident. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Do you watch that show called Landman?

[Dan Pena]

Yo. I love it.

[Brian Rose]

You love it.

[Dan Pena]

That's what I used to do.

[Brian Rose]

That's what I'm kind of. When I'm watching it, I'm wondering what.

[Dan Pena]

Landman.

[Brian Rose]

That's me.

[Dan Pena]

So you used to do that? Exactly.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

Multiples.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. But I.

[Dan Pena]

He went and got money, if you're up to date with it, from the Mexican drug cartel.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

By accident.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

But I was getting money. That wasn't happening. No. I got money from the Japanese government. I got money from the British government. I got money from different governments because they saw the returns. And I convinced the Kuwaitis to give me money to build an oil company. They need another oil company. Like, they need aids. But I sold them on the idea. But one of the big Al Sabahs just converted yesterday from being a Muslim to being a Christian. The number four or five Al Sabah. I mean, he says, I'm going to wind up dead. I probably won't make it through the weekend. He's absolutely correct.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

I mean, for one of the. Because there's 15 or 1800 Al Sabah princes in Kuwait. There's only six that make any difference.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

He's one of those six.

[Brian Rose]

And he converted. Converted YouTube generation.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

That wouldn't happen back in the day.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, no. They would have never let him out in the public. They would have chopped his head off.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, so Landman is you.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

I was wondering what you were doing at Great Western. So it was a version of that.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Shucking and jiving. Buying rights. Buying low, selling high. Trying not to go bankrupt. Trying to make a deal when nobody can see the deal.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Speculating.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. And it's that crazy.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, it is crazy.

[Brian Rose]

You once, I remember you saying, talk is cheap, but it costs money to buy whiskey in West Texas.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

And that's West Texas, no bs.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

God. Forbidden place.

[Dan Pena]

It still is to this day.

[Brian Rose]

It looks like on the show.

[Dan Pena]

It's just they used to say, when you get a jet, the first one of my buddies who was a billionaire, he had a G2 at the time. You got to stand up and this sounds awful. Stand up like. Like a real man. He was referring to the Middle Eastern guys are short. Okay. You can stand up like a real man, Danny. You gotta have a goddamn jet. You can stand up like a real man. You use my plane until you can afford to get one. Right.

[Brian Rose]

So you don't have all those tiny jets.

[Dan Pena]

Exactly. You have the big jet.

[Brian Rose]

Stand up like a real man.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And that's what you have, our net jet. You can stand up. You can. Like a real man. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

And at Great Western, you had a Real man jet.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

All right, so the next five years, as Trump stays longer, you're doing qla, you're fixing the Catholic Church and you're enjoying your life a little bit more, going to space and these kinds of things like that.

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. And the world under Trump, we're going to be okay, but otherwise, long term, we're kind of fucked. You mentioned AI, 20 to 60% of the jobs lost, does that end in chaos everywhere? Can everybody be on a universic income?

[Dan Pena]

No.

[Brian Rose]

Are there going to be new jobs?

[Dan Pena]

Elon, who I have Elon, is 100 years from now. They're going to say he was our current Michelangelo. But he said something yesterday or the day before, which took me back. He said that we're going to be in a no money, no job economy. Now, he wasn't talking 20, 40 years from now, but he says the ultimate no job, no money and like social. To me that sounds like socialism, if there's another word for it, I don't know what it is. And he says the things that people bitch about. Now he said, he's talking about woke. Well, nobody will care because they're going to be taken care of now. He called it universal wealth.

[Brian Rose]

Yes. Smart. How he did that?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, yeah, he's a smart guy. He's a super smart guy.

[Brian Rose]

You're. You're a fan?

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah, I'm a big fan.

[Brian Rose]

And the.

[Dan Pena]

I, I know some of the guys that not advise him, but he works with an ex JP Morgan guy who lives actually in the, in Los Angeles. Pays a lot of money to solve problems, but he's a, you know, he does sleep on the floor of the plants and he does all that stuff. And the, and now when you suggest that we had a deadline here a year, year and a half ago, one of the companies, and I don't care if anybody ever goes home, it was over Easter, I guess I don't give a fuck. I don't care if your fucking wife's having a baby. If this motherfucker's not there, I'm going to close it down and I'm going to make sure I'm allegedly said this. Make sure that the pension plan goes bankrupt. It got done. Now that's. You shouldn't have to do that. Right? But these days it's a shitty way to run a railroad.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, but you have to.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, I mean, fear still works, right? And when I come to the, the, the, these sites, the banks don't want to meet with me. We had a banking meeting about 10 months ago because Sally and I formed a big foundation and we put a bunch of money in it and they said for the signing. And I wanted to go and get my. Just like you took my picture. And Mr. Pena is busy. We can send a courier up for him to sign it there because I'll have the chairman of the. What about this? What about that?

[Brian Rose]

You know, they don't want to deal with you.

[Dan Pena]

No.

[Brian Rose]

That's been going on for decades though.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you something up. I used to have a. Oh, I just celebrated 50 years a few years ago. American Express. I've had my black card or whatever it's called. I didn't get a letter. I didn't kiss my ass. Go fuck yourself. So I called, started making calls and apparently I have a committee of six that are supposed to manage me. I never heard from these guys. And then, you know, I started bitching. Now I was. When I was in at the Vatican, there was a senior guy who was part of my group of eight guys and he made the same mistake when his 50 years came up. He called and he said, I got a committee of five. I never heard of these guys. Maybe on a, on a chart or on a spreadsheet, we've got people, you know, that have been there 50 years, etc. I did the same thing with Rolls Royce owned force for 50 years. I actually got a blurb in the Rolls Royce newsletter that I've had Rolls Royces since I'm 26 years old. But service is service if it's convenient in most places. The pubs here used to be on Friday afternoon from 3, 3:30. You couldn't get a beer because they were so overflowed. Yeah, okay.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Or they're on the highways to go home or the tubes. You couldn't get even standing in a tube. But I want to get back and answer your question. Why? I know it's fucked up. Now, you're old enough to remember, but this didn't happen so much two years ago on about 118th street taking the subway towards Harlem. Okay? A 43 year old woman was gang raped by three black guys. There was 42 witnesses. 42 that signed as witnesses. Not one of them dialed 99991 or is it. Whatever it is there, okay? One of them took a picture. And the 40 people watched that old lady get beaten. Raped again and again and again. That's where we are. That's beyond my comprehension.

[Brian Rose]

And that's why we're.

[Dan Pena]

Is what you said. We're. We're in moral demise. Some people started with home. Maybe home in church. Maybe we're.

[Brian Rose]

Isn't Trump turning it around?

[Dan Pena]

He's. He's one guy I know. If he becomes king, like Putin. Putin, then I'm. Then I'm praying for his health to be better and his hand to puff up. I'm his age. I know exactly what the that is.

[Brian Rose]

You know what that.

[Dan Pena]

And when your ankles puff up, it's worse. It's.

[Brian Rose]

That's just something that happens.

[Dan Pena]

It happens as you get older.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Right.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. He. Look, he's. Some days he looks tired, but he's going 100 miles asleep in a.

[Dan Pena]

In a cabinet meeting.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Yesterday.

[Brian Rose]

Did he actually fall asleep?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, he was asleep. Okay. And whoever's sitting to his right.

[Brian Rose]

Rubio.

[Dan Pena]

Rubio, I think gave him a kick. Yeah. Whatever you do.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, I mean, he works a lot. He's on camera four times a day.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

He's the greatest show on earth.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. I need more sleep than he does.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. Yeah, he does four or five hours or something.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, I can't do that.

[Brian Rose]

The pace.

[Dan Pena]

When I was your age, I could do it. Right. Oh, my last trip to Europe, I decided, can I still do like I used to? So the first day I had eight meetings. The second day I had eight meetings. The third day I had nine meetings. The fourth day I had 12 meetings. I can't do it anymore.

[Brian Rose]

Really.

[Dan Pena]

I come home to the hotel. What's wrong with you? I don't feel like dinner tonight. And so sadly, dance around and try to make me happy. Maybe a drink. Maybe a drink will make you feel better. So I'd have a couple drinks and made me feel not that much better. But rather than disappoint Sally, we went out to dinner. And so. But I used to do those back to back. Jump on a plane, you know, because we were public in Amsterdam and London, back and forth.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

But I can't do that anymore.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. Is jet lag still in your well, no, no.

[Dan Pena]

Jet lag's not for 80 year olds. It's real. Okay. For everybody else is in their mind, you're a cunt.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. Is London gonna get better? Is the UK have any chance of turning it around? I always say there's no Trump, not under current government.

[Dan Pena]

And the things I ran, I only got 700 votes. 703 votes, yes. Politics. So you ran same things I said. This government, whoever gets in is gonna do. They've done.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

And up in Scotland, they said, you're crazy. You're just a lion. American. And now they've done all these things. And whether the black hole was 6 million or 30 million, nobody's managed finance here, Right? Since Korean War, NHS has been fucked up. Wilson, the former prime minister in 1964, said on its 25th anniversary and its 20th anniversary, the day we signed the papers in 1947 or 48, NHS was fucked up. And now in 1964, at their 20th reunion or whatever it is, it's still fucked up, really. And I have the CEO, former CEO of NHS on one of my boards. He says, if you knew, if the public knew what I know, they'd be afraid to go to nhs.

[Brian Rose]

That bad. Big surprise. Are they going to break it up at some point? Because I know your mentees are waiting. They're waiting with bated breath.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

If they break that up, you'll stay another five years doing qla.

[Dan Pena]

I'll be the first trillionaire. Because if they do break it up, there are multiple trillions to be made

[Brian Rose]

and they should break it up. Right? They should. It should not be a public vehicle. Right.

[Dan Pena]

I believe in universal health for old gits. And now I am an old git. You know, when I go to the nhs, I went to get a booster or some fucking shot. Well, 2D. Oh, the other thing. Two years ago, I almost died from blood poisoning. I went in for a minor procedure and came home and I wanted to get blood poisoning. And so I almost died at nine wells. And the. But they came together somehow, as disorganized as they look. They had five junior doctors there that didn't know how to spell doctor. But they figured it out. Yeah, but I didn't die.

[Brian Rose]

They seemed to pull it off at the last minute.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, but shit, yeah. How many people did they lose?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Pena]

I don't want to be the one that they lost. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Now, they still say there's good AI talent and there's still smart people coming from the uk.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

And I don't know if. I never know if it's lip service. Like when Jensen from Nvidia comes over here, he said, oh, the UK has so much potential because of the universities. I can't ever tell if they're just lip service or is that actually true?

[Dan Pena]

Part of us, Lip service. But man's greatest burden is unfulfilled potential. I mean, that's easy to say, but smart guys. But the smartest, let's see, Gates, jobs, Jack Welch, amongst others, said, the smartest people on the planet today all come from southern India. And if you look at the CEOs of the Fortune 500 companies in America, okay. 75% are Indian. They're just naturally smart and they have a gift. Their synapses fire vis a vis tech, especially AI. But AI is. 75% of the AI startups are going to fail. Maybe 95, just like all the other failures. But there's a lot of money to be made.

[Brian Rose]

Are you impressed when you see the tech? It's something special and something different.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, I'm involved. I just took over as chairman seven or eight months ago for something that I didn't start. I rarely do that. But the kid came up. He's 33 and he's. You know how the guy that Zuckerberg's people offered 125 million and Zuckerberg made it 250 million?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. With it. Was it the aqua hire for that kid? The young kid? Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. He's that kind of kid. Okay, okay. And he's just. He's too gifted for his own good. And the. He's come up with a. It's AI in finance and. Okay. And it's. It's.

[Brian Rose]

So you're deep into it as chairman.

[Dan Pena]

I have rarely do I bring Sally into meetings with me, but she's attended almost all the meetings because there's some of the concepts I'm too far behind to catch up.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. And I know when I'm too far behind to catch up, you know, but there's money there. Oh, a lot of it. Gazillion. Preliminary valuation. 800 million. That's pre money. Pre anything.

[Brian Rose]

It's crazy. Crazy. That's where all the venture capital is going now, and. AI Right. The last two years.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, it's. Nobody would have ever thought that possible. But the numbers, you know, when. When I was doing this in the 70s and 80s, if you made 4, 5, $8 million, you made a lot of money now. I mean, they got assistance making that kind of money.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, the whole thing's crazy.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

I mean, back when I was on Wall street, those were the only guys making that kind of money. And now you could be a YouTuber making that kind of money. Like, you know, and you could be 15 making that kind of money. But back in the day, wasn't happening. But politics. Are you done? What was the experience like? You know, you saw me. You saw me run for mayor in 21. I don't think you thought it was a good idea or you told me

[Dan Pena]

later, you know, well, knowing you, how I know you, it was something you needed to do.

[Brian Rose]

I Had to get out of my system, just like you had to.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, no, I did it for a different reason. I offered, first of all, the President of the. Not nhs, but the little of a party. Smp.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

For one. One pound. I said I'll do it for a pound. And until I turn it around. If I don't turn it around, I'll work there for a pound for the rest of my life. Okay. I got a nice letter. I was on the short list. The next week, Sweeney. They put Sweeney in, I'm told. Whether it's true or not, the only reason Sweeney took the job, because it's a thankless job. It's not curable. After they lost 126 seats, he only had six left. The one that I lost to was one of the ones. He kept the seat. He seems like a good guy, but the. Is the top of his pension. Because if you're head of the. If you're Prime Minister, one day you get a pension as Prime Minister. And so that's. Whether that's true or not, I have no idea. But politics is still in the clans. It's like the clans are still up there in Scotland. Exactly, exactly.

[Brian Rose]

What'd you make of the whole process? I mean.

[Dan Pena]

Well, the process is archaic. Yeah. I mean, it's at least one or 200 years behind the times.

[Brian Rose]

Do you even want to be a politician?

[Dan Pena]

No. But I do know I got almost a thousand requests. Can you guarantee me this? You know how they do Prime Minister's questions and I could not have done it in a full time, keeping my other business interests. So I. If I had been elected, I would have had to get rid of everything else if. If I was going to do a good job. So in that regard, you know, it worked out for the best for me. But I mean, I talk to politicians and they talk. Everybody's got two agendas and the third agenda is how do I turn this experience when they throw me out into money? Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Liz Truss just started a podcast.

[Dan Pena]

Oh, really?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, yeah. 49 days in office now she has

[Dan Pena]

her own podcast, by the way, I'm starting next month. The podcast.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

First time.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, my gosh. Wait, what's it called? Oh, yeah. You're interviewing people and you got them lined up.

[Dan Pena]

Right.

[Brian Rose]

Everyone wants to be on your show.

[Dan Pena]

No, not everybody, but I mean, the.

[Brian Rose]

And why are you doing this?

[Dan Pena]

Because I still want to drag as many across the. The goal line as I can before I'm dead. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

And this is the best way to do it.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah. And so it's an additional way, additional tool for me to reach more people when I go back. When I go to Tampa tomorrow, in between my board meetings, I have four podcasts with a guy named Ben David or Bit David.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, Patrick Ben David.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Nice. Some other guys, which I'm not familiar with because I don't follow that stuff. And everybody so far has made their time available because I have a tight schedule. And I appreciate that. The investment club today, I consider it the best investment that I've ever made.

[London Real Investment Club Promoter]

We get four projects presented a week

[Brian Rose]

by their associated CEOs.

[London Real Investment Club Promoter]

Personally, I'm completely blown away by the

[Dan Pena]

quality of these projects. And I know of nowhere else where I would be given this same opportunity.

[London Real Investment Club Promoter]

Each week that passes, I feel more

[Dan Pena]

appreciative fact that I'm a member of this group. The vibe was just tremendous. Everybody's on the same wavelength. We just clicked. Everybody listened to each other, enjoyed their company.

[London Real Investment Club Promoter]

It was just magical. Magical.

[Dan Pena]

Take action.

[London Real Investment Club Promoter]

Don't take my word for it.

[Dan Pena]

Due diligence you need to do. And I really hope that someday down

[Brian Rose]

the road, I see you in the club.

[Dan Pena]

It far exceeded expectations. Without questions. And I'm gonna have one TV interview down there, Florida tv. And so. And the guy that's the head of the. The program is a Navy seal. Ex Navy seal. He's one of the only. Well, not this exaggeration, one of the only ones that I tried to get to do my boots to suits. But I still remember when I called Jocko Wako. I mean, matter of factly, he says, it took you 17 to figure this out, Mr. Pena. And I said. I kept saying, thinking I'm doing something wrong. All came back with the same answer. Fuck.

[Brian Rose]

Just not ready for that idea.

[Dan Pena]

No, Well, I guess not. But absolutely not.

[Brian Rose]

But now you're embracing social media. Now you're a social media star.

[Dan Pena]

Well, you turned me on to social media.

[Brian Rose]

I'm going to hell for it.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Yeah, you probably will go to hell for it. As long as I don't go to hell, that's fine.

[Brian Rose]

The. Yeah, that was 11 years ago, correct?

[Dan Pena]

11 years ago. And the. I still remember you walked me to the cab outside.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. And you stood outside, it was at night. And you said, brian, can you see a green glow around me? And I thought, what the hell is he talking about? I couldn't see it. You said, some people say a lot

[Dan Pena]

of people I believe. I didn't believe this, but 21 years ago now, passed away. Sister Superior in the St. Teresa Missionaries of Charity. You're on a rocket ship to heaven, Mr. Pena, and we just want hang along on the tail.

[Brian Rose]

That's what she said.

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

I think you also said that night you said, brian, I change people's lives and I'm going to change your life.

[Dan Pena]

I do. I still do. Yeah, I still do.

[Brian Rose]

You still enjoy it?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. You still get a kick out of it? I get a kick out of it. And when I'm proven wrong, when the guy showed up that I said wasn't going to make it, you like that? Yeah, I like that.

[Brian Rose]

Being proven wrong.

[Dan Pena]

Well, yeah, but I'm not that often proven wrong, but I like that. And he, that was his driving force, though. I'm not saying that's bad, but that was his driving force.

[Brian Rose]

I told him he's not going to make it.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, he'd do that more often. I said, you're never going to be another Josh Kim. Okay. Yeah. And we've got a guy who stopped at 56 billion. He stopped, went to sleep and he could have done 500 billion. And I kept after him and after him. And then after two, three years, I said, well, that's it for him.

[Brian Rose]

He had enough.

[Dan Pena]

He had enough. Okay, well, people say, well, 56 billion, then, you know, when's enough's enough.

[Brian Rose]

What's your number right now? Because it's a lot more than a trillion, isn't it?

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Because when I met you, it was the 50 billion dollar man. That was.

[Dan Pena]

And we kept it that way because I had one guy I could contact would stand up and say 50 billion so I didn't have to go search for people that were endorsing me.

[Brian Rose]

Right. You could, you could quantify it, right?

[Dan Pena]

Correct. Thank you.

[Brian Rose]

And then by 2020 Covid time, you had the sign behind you and you were now the trillion dollar man. And then last time I heard, there's

[Dan Pena]

like 8 trillion, 8.6.

[Brian Rose]

That's a lot of money, Dan.

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

And it's going to keep going up.

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

What do you think it'll be in 10 years?

[Dan Pena]

Well, I had a short term goal of 10 trillion. If, if Trump stays in, when Trump stays in office, the sky's the limit. I anything can, I can't quantify it.

[Brian Rose]

Do you think the stock market is just going to go up and up and up for the next few years right now?

[Dan Pena]

Okay. Yeah, I came prepared and I had interesting, I had a hedge fund guy, a pretty successful guy at the last seminar and the, and I was talking, I used to be a Dow theorist back in the day. A chartist and all that stuff.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Bear.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. When they say that I was an analyst.

[Brian Rose]

It's true.

[Dan Pena]

I was.

[Brian Rose]

Really.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

I didn't know that.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. And then you were a salesman.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, but I like selling. And I could sell any, any, anything to anybody. I used to turn the charts upside down.

[Brian Rose]

Right. It's easier to sell when you have a chart.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. But I mean, it doesn't matter what the chart said. And so the. I. I enjoy not being right so much. Sally says this is. But I enjoy taking a guy who. One of my mentees just died. He called himself the Hungarian Forrest Gump. He used to make €30,000 a year. And to have enough money to give his kids Christmas presents, he'd sell cookies at the malls during Christmas. Peter Harasity. He's dead now. Wow. Left his wife 600 million. How old was he? 41.

[Brian Rose]

Was this the guy rolling up the hospitals and stuff in Hungary?

[Dan Pena]

Yes.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

He had. There were 17. I'm glad you remembered. Okay. United States superstar. Absolutely. There were 17 potential candidates he could roll up. He eventually rolled them all up.

[Brian Rose]

Wow. Went from €30,000 a year to hundreds of billions.

[Dan Pena]

And he was just about to close his billion euro fund, but he died.

[Brian Rose]

What happened?

[Dan Pena]

He had a heart attack while pedaling

[Brian Rose]

his bicycle because he was working too hard for Qla.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Well, is that true or not?

[Dan Pena]

Well, a lot of guys die on your watch. His wife would say that. And his wife was supposedly barren right.

[Brian Rose]

Until he started Qla.

[Dan Pena]

She's got four kids. And the story. She's never told me this. I never talked to her about this. How would you like at 51? Little gorilla chewing on your nipple, breastfeed.

[Brian Rose]

She wasn't happy with you about the kids at 50.

[Dan Pena]

51. The last one. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Did Q have something to do with his demise? Honestly?

[Dan Pena]

He may. He may have got sloppy. He's not the only guy. He's 41.

[Brian Rose]

That's young.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Was he working hard? Of course he was.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Like a dog. All right. But.

[Brian Rose]

And he still was, even though he'd already made it? Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. They just moved into their 24,000 square foot house on the lake on 50 acres. He's playing tennis with the president of Hungary. He was the guy.

[Brian Rose]

He basically privatized their health care system.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. No, he didn't own all the governments stuff.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

That was his next.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, his next move.

[Dan Pena]

He was. He was going to bid for the government stuff.

[Brian Rose]

How do you feel when a guy like that dies?

[Dan Pena]

I get emotional about It.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, but, like, you're not the guy that gets emotional.

[Dan Pena]

No, I get emotional. I get emotional about stuff. That I was close to him. He had come back to the seminar three times for nothing. To try to, you know. And he'd say, and I'm just a Hungarian Forrest gump. I made 30 grand. And somebody in the audience says, that's not even minimum wage. I don't know if that is true or not, but fuck.

[Brian Rose]

Probably not.

[Dan Pena]

Hardworking little fuck. And when he would. He would, you know, email me or email Kim, I need to talk to Dan. I'm not sure what to do now. And I talk to him, and I said, he's jerking you around. He's probably already sold it to somebody else. And when we did the research, he already sold the fucking company 18 months before. And he's jerking poor Peter around for 18 months before he did his first deal.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, all right. So you were helping him.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

And then, boom, he was the star.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. And then he's dead.

[Brian Rose]

Now he's dead. And the wife blames you. Who knows? Well, no, A lot of guys die around. You wouldn't. Your Gulf Western, the guy that took over as president, he died and he was like, charlie, Saturday marathon run. He was 42, resting heart rate. 40 or something crazy. And he died on the sofa in your house, I think.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah. Correct.

[Brian Rose]

It's all very suspect.

[Dan Pena]

He's a boxer.

[Brian Rose]

Was he like me?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was a real athlete. All American football player. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

I'm not.

[Dan Pena]

I know.

[Brian Rose]

And I still went in there.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, you know, more power to you.

[Brian Rose]

It was. It was much scarier than doing an iron man race, let me tell you, going in the boxing ring. Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Now, remember, I started boxing at the seminars. The original idea was I was fighting everybody. Me.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. It only lasted a couple times because my insurance wouldn't cover me.

[Brian Rose]

You did this in the 90s or this came when you were doing.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, in the 90s. The first time in the.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, so you done it way.

[Dan Pena]

And. And. And, you know, and the guys, you know, they say you were lucky just because you knocked all these guys out. Well, maybe I was. Maybe I wasn't. I was also 25 years younger and I could hit like a train.

[Brian Rose]

So you used to fight everybody?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, I didn't know that. And then you upped it.

[Dan Pena]

And then when you were there.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

They. They. They said, remember that? Somebody wanted you to fight me? And then you said the comment was, have you? I was taking a look at his shoulders. Look at how thick he is. You said something like that. Yeah. And. But these guys. Occasionally we get a guy that knows what he's doing. I mean, really knows what he's doing, because that's so rare.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. Guys train just to come to the seminar.

[Dan Pena]

This is the first time we haven't had somebody seriously hurt.

[Brian Rose]

This last one.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, we. We cut that part out. That doesn't go on YouTube.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

I mean, we had some. We had the best fight we ever had were two women I didn't know. One was AAU and one was something else. Fought that Oklahoma or something.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

And they. They really could fight. They went at it. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

I think it's a big part.

[Dan Pena]

And they recognize each other from their Golden Gloves days.

[Brian Rose]

No way.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

And they still went at it. The boxing's good. You know, I was. I did it with you. I was scared. Nobody wanted to fight because it was a hardcore. So I thought, everyone's gonna fight. Thought the Goomba brothers were gonna fight. And I was like, all right, guys, we're all gonna fight. And they're like, no, no, we did it when we were at the regular seminar. And so it was. It was like four of us that fought that night. And then I had some dude that was 8 kilos heavier than me. I'm walking back to the castle to get changed, and I said. I said, you ever do any boxing before? And he's like, no, never. Just Thai boxing.

[Dan Pena]

I was like, yeah, I remember that.

[Brian Rose]

And then I went in there. He was trying to take my head off. But that planted the seed in me. And then when I got the chance a few years later, I decided I needed to do it.

[Dan Pena]

So who are you fighting next?

[Brian Rose]

Look, I've had two fights. Every time I say, can you get someone my age with no experience? They always come back and say, I gotta get this 27 with fights. Or this fucking South African kid, 19, 6 foot 3. Oh, yeah. Supposedly no experience. I was like, yeah, right. But look, I'm glad. I'm glad he was game. I didn't want somebody I could just take out. And he pushed me. He hit me hard. And I had to find out if I. If I was going to be there. And so it was good.

[Dan Pena]

You did well.

[Brian Rose]

It was. I'm glad.

[Dan Pena]

I agree. If the fight had gone longer, I

[Brian Rose]

would have had it.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Thank you.

[Dan Pena]

I appreciate it. I thought that was going to be a draw, that one.

[Brian Rose]

The thing is, is that I slipped and went down on a knee. And then Singapore, you know, they Only employ Singaporeans. So you had this old lady who was the ref. Like, I don't even know if she's been in a boxing match before, and she's doing an eight count on me. I didn't know what the was going on because the guy hit me like eight times in the head. And apparently I was supposed to protest it and be like, no, I'm fine, because I didn't. Actually.

[Dan Pena]

Your manager or your coach is supposed

[Brian Rose]

to protest it, so I should.

[Dan Pena]

So you pick somebody off the street to be your second, right?

[Brian Rose]

Chris is my good. He's. He's been training me for 20 years. But, like, we both realized later we should have said something. Now it might not have made a difference, but that. That loses me a point right there. But, you know, professional.

[Dan Pena]

Every point counts and every point.

[Brian Rose]

But a professional boxer. David Hay said, I won the next two rounds, so I should have won. But it's okay. I'm still glad I did it. Look, the problem is, Dan, is a month before the fight, you wake up at 2 in the morning, all you're thinking about is this fucking kid. He's gonna fucking kill me or I'm gonna kill him. And it just. It takes a lot of mental bandwidth.

[Dan Pena]

Some of my other mentees are boxing each other. Real estate guy from down south, okay, named Reed, boxed another one of my mentees, and they put each a hundred grand up. Okay, okay. And the kid beat the older guy, and then I just. He just sent me another one where he fought. And it was a split decision this time. And the. So there are people. Not everybody loves each other. Do these podcasts, and if you say something bad about somebody and then their cousin or their wife or somebody, and then they want to box, it's a good experience.

[Brian Rose]

I'm glad you're doing it at the Castle, because what you tell the kids, if you can get in the ring, it makes cold calling look like a dream.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

And you're right.

[Dan Pena]

I agree 100%.

[Brian Rose]

And you're right. Once you go through that, then you ask yourself, I'll be honest. And look, you taught me a lot about fear, Dan. And look, I wouldn't have been in the ring without you. Let's be honest, I wouldn't run for mayor without you. I wouldn't have done the Ironman race without you. I wouldn't have done a lot of things without you, because I now look at fear as something I need to engineer into my life. That's Qla.

[Dan Pena]

Well, you already engineered too much.

[Brian Rose]

Yes.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

But at least I try to engineer fear or risk into my life, whereas

[Dan Pena]

before I was a way of mitigating risk. Right.

[Brian Rose]

But I'm trying to put myself in things that have a lot, have a lot of upside and downside because like you always said, everyone nobody remembers your failures. They always remember your wins.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Same with me. So that's what I learned from you and qla. I didn't roll companies, but I learned to try to embrace risk. I'm sure I need to do more.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

I need to do more.

[Dan Pena]

Right. And the older you are, the harder it is.

[Brian Rose]

Yes.

[Dan Pena]

Start. And when we tell the old gets, you know, when you're 20 years old, doesn't mean shit, you know. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Bobby had my first boxing match at 53. The kid was 27, I was 54, the kid was 19. All right, so there you go. So.

[Dan Pena]

But everybody, all they look at what great shape he's in. Did you pay him to say that?

[Brian Rose]

No, but I'll take it.

[Dan Pena]

But on the opposite side of that, I think I might have mentioned it. We have guys that come to the seminar just to work up the courage to take somebody out for a coffee after three years. And then she says no. And I can't believe that I was going to go to 24 Hour Fitness at 3:30 in the morning. Next time I'm in New York, I'm going to meet this bitch. You know, the one that said no. Yeah. Well that's way beyond my comprehension.

[Brian Rose]

But you're teaching these kids.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I still enjoy that. But I teach them and as a direct result of those teachings, they carry it across the goal line. That's when I feel the best, when, you know, because now I've taught them something, you know, that they can use in their future life and it affects all, as you well know, it affects all your life, not just, you know, your personal life. The. But I mean self esteem is a motherfucker if it's not built in the first seven or eight years. The Catholic Church used to say in their homily, Pre Vatican Council, 1965, you give us our. In Latin, you give us your children the first seven or eight years and we will own them for life. They've taken that out now, you know, but that's what they used to say because that's when self esteem is built. The Spartans, same thing for seven or eight years. But most of the kids that are walking the streets here and that are listening to this would have been thrown in the pitch. They wouldn't have got to be A Spartan. Because you know. You know what? Good reason. And everybody's got rights now.

[Brian Rose]

Even the kids.

[Dan Pena]

Especially the kids.

[Brian Rose]

So how do we turn this around? Or if you're somebody, listen, and you're about to have kids, how do you parent in a way where your kids don't become.

[Dan Pena]

Well, there's a book by. The famous book written by Spock that your mom had. Yeah, my mom got by serendipity. When she's walking through the line, she got the Reader's Digest version and she happened to get it, and she used that like the Bible and the. But it didn't. It didn't teach aggression, that book. It taught even handed. And looking at the other person's position in the hood, where I grew up, you weren't interested in the other gang's position. You know, your position was the Holy Grail.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

And so.

[Brian Rose]

But your mom.

[Dan Pena]

My mom saw through that. Saw through that. And it was. It was an almost impossible sell for my dad because he was the antithesis of that until the day he died. My dad, when he was 86 or 87, tried to kill his doctor. I mean, so.

[Brian Rose]

So your mom was the yang to his yin.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Correct.

[Brian Rose]

And that's why you are who you are today.

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

Because mom was listening to Dr. Spock.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Yeah. All right.

[Brian Rose]

So try to raise your kids stronger.

[Dan Pena]

Well, in today's world, it's even more important because now you have a million choices. I mean, information is almost instantaneous or it is instantaneous, really. And a lot of the information, if not most of the information, depending on your political persuasion, is horseshit. I mean, it's not teaching you any good values. They're going to institute the draft in Germany again. I just heard this morning. Jesus Christ, you would have thought that Hitler came back.

[Brian Rose]

Germany's more woke than a London New York ever could be.

[Dan Pena]

Right? That's what I hear. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

I got people moving to Dubai from Germany, and they pull me aside and they say, it's so bad there.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, he's right.

[Brian Rose]

And recognize it.

[Dan Pena]

He's right. He's right. And they're not the most woke. There's other places that are worse. In the United States, the belt of support for Donald Trump are the least woke. You know, Central America. Not Central America, Central United States. Yeah, but the. I mean, there's some. Some. A communist is now mayor of New York.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Dan Pena]

Which is. I don't know if it should be hard to believe, but it's. It happened.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Probably a Muslim. Well, he didn't call himself a communist. He calls himself something else.

[Brian Rose]

Social Democrat.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, I am, but I mean, we'll

[Brian Rose]

see if he actually does that stuff. Yeah, but yeah, I got him elected, right?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. And the city's upset, but there's a lot of people upset in the United States.

[Brian Rose]

What's it like when you go there? Well, you said that New York feels like animals and vibrant again.

[Dan Pena]

Oh, God.

[Brian Rose]

And it's like they unlock the cages at the zoo. Okay, and is that the US in general? Is there a little bit more of an unclass?

[Dan Pena]

Well, I mean, so certain pockets. The Eastern seaboard is very business oriented. From Washington D.C. actually, from not Maine, but Washington D.C. to the Keys, Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas. In that area, New Mexico, California is woke all the way up to Seattle, Washington. And then there's a swath that comes down from the Great Lakes through the central United States that is really business oriented.

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[Dan Pena]

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[Brian Rose]

Let's do this.

[Dan Pena]

But healthcare. When I told Rick Scott, who was my lawyer, when he left me, I said, you got to go. Where? Where should I go, Dan? I said healthcare. Or I said telco, which was Internet at the time. And health care was going to 3% a year in 1985, 86. It's now going to 30% a year. 30 with no sign of it slowing down. People are living longer, they want to live longer. And contrary to what the social media and the news say, which obviously has a liberal tint, they can afford. They can afford it to grow older. When I was born, the average age of a male was like 54, 55. Now it's 87 or 86, something like that. And in my family, men lived to the early 90s to mid 90s and women lived from late 90s to early hundreds without doing a push up. My dad smoked five to six packs of cigarettes a day till he was 88. He lived in 91 and he drank at least a fifth of alcohol spirits a day from the time he was 18 to 88 and never did a push up. Live to 91. So if I don't live to 100, 120, I mean, it's because somebody shot me. I mean, there's no way otherwise.

[Brian Rose]

You're in good health.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, I'm in good health.

[Brian Rose]

Besides the bad blood. Blood, whatever. A couple years ago.

[Dan Pena]

It just shows. It goes to show you though, when I got blood poisoning, plane can go down, right?

[Brian Rose]

Something stupid can happen.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Black Swan.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. I always tell the netfluck netjet guys, Mr. Pen, we're your pilots. I still like to give you money, you know, give a little cash. Yeah, always.

[Brian Rose]

Just in case.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Before we take off. Okay. Yeah. Just to make sure that you're thinking about me and Sally in the back.

[Brian Rose]

Smart. Smart. You said you think I should be taking more risk.

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

You always tell me that.

[Dan Pena]

Well, I do because, I mean, you have more or less a riskless model, okay? And I know more or less what you do and the. There are ways of taking risks what you do, and you know them better than I, and you're not doing that, okay? You, you more or less, and I may be mincing words here, you have a quasi subscription model, okay? If it was your various schools, academies, et cetera, et cetera. And that's not. That's, you know, there's little or no risk for you other than that you have to sell them the re up or take another class or an expanded class. And you know how long it's like. When Bitfuck got up to 117,000 four years ago, I said, I'm not for it. But as a trader, an old trader, I would sell a third tip two thirds. When Bitfuck got up to 125 or 30 just here recently, I said, sell a third, keep two thirds. And one other time I said when it had a big spike. And if you do the maths, as they say here, instead of math, which I don't understand why they say math. I mean, you'd still have, you know, about 40% of your Bitcoin that you started with. Okay? And I have five or six bitcoin billionaires. Not because of me they got in bitcoin. We got two Romanian brothers from Chicago. The guy in Bitcoin at 50 bucks, 80 bucks. Okay. And they went on dips. They've just continued to buy. They've continued to buy. I haven't talked to them in a year or two, but I'd rather be lucky than smart. But Jamie Dimon more or less has my attitude, which is kind of a cross between his attitude and Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett. If my clients, even if they're idiots and they wanted. I'll make a market. And so Wall street, when. When PayPal said you could buy it with BitFuck, and then when you could buy fractional BitFuck, it's here to stay until some catastrophic black swan thing happens.

[Brian Rose]

And the truck's all in, the Trump family's all in, and the kids are all in, and he's pushing it. And now it's become a mainstream thing. They got the ETF and all the banks want to get into blockchain and.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, it's mainstream when the Fed does it. Right.

[Brian Rose]

And that hasn't happened yet.

[Dan Pena]

No, I don't believe it is going to happen.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. Or it goes on the US Balance sheet. You mean strategic reserve.

[Dan Pena]

Correct. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

That hasn't happened yet.

[Dan Pena]

Oh, maybe. Maybe it will.

[Brian Rose]

And it's volatile as hell, you know, and most people can't handle it. That volatility.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. A third of the people who were at the seminar in November, and I wasn't even following it, paid to come to the seminar with BitFuck.

[Brian Rose]

A third.

[Dan Pena]

A third. Okay. And I went from when it crashed to a hundred. Yeah. The seminar was on in November, late November. And you could see in the audience, I mean, it looked like they were sitting on eggs, you know, and the. But kids load up. You know, if you got 2% or 5% of your assets, that's one thing, but if you got a majority of your assets in it.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

You can live a very volatile life.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. And you don't recommend that, but the kids do that, right?

[Dan Pena]

Absolutely. Because they feel entitled. They should be able to make money faster. And one of the things that somebody told me here recently, people complain about the property ladder. They had explained what that meant to me. I don't. You mean you can't afford to put a down payment on a house, Right.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. And then you can't buy the next house because you don't have the first house.

[Dan Pena]

Okay, well, that was same with me. When I bought my first house, I just went out and worked harder and increased my revenue so I could buy the first house.

[Brian Rose]

That's what Cardone said to me. Two days ago, he said, all these people bitching, moan. He said, it's easier. I want a house today that it wasn't 58. Because you can go get the money. Yeah, that's what he said. But everyone just says they can't afford it because it's so much higher than it used to be.

[Dan Pena]

They're right about that. Okay. Yeah. I mean, if I had kept our two penthouses and my estate, Southern California, that's easily 100 million in today's market

[Brian Rose]

value just sitting on that real estate.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, I sold them off. But I'm not concerned about that because I made it up in other ways.

[Brian Rose]

The

[Dan Pena]

and so. But I don't worry. As Sally was telling me last night at dinner, you don't worry about the stuff that most of us worry about. And I said, sal, I don't worry about anything because I know, like, I took a shit this morning. I can always make more money. Okay. I had the gift to gab. I should have been Irish since I'm seven, eight years old. So as long as they don't cut my tongue out, I'm not worried about making more money. I've lost. We were trying to add. If I've lost a billion dollars, I've lost 800 plus million dollars in my life. Lost, lost.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Off the balance sheet. And I made it back. And so. But most people are worried that they can't make it back. And that's never been my concern.

[Brian Rose]

So what do you worry about?

[Dan Pena]

I worry about now I've got a real project that warrants my being serious. Keeping the Catholic Church is one recession away from bankruptcy. Muslims, not Christianity in general, is not. Okay. Seven Day Adventists.

[Brian Rose]

Scientology's not.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, they all are flush with cash, but they didn't lose 7 or 8 billion that they had to pay in reparations for all the bad things they did. And in Los Angeles, the 1.56 billion they paid was dating back to 1930. So the guys from 1930 to 1995.

[Brian Rose]

Ish.

[Dan Pena]

2000. You know, like Pontius Pilate. Watch. It wasn't us. It wasn't us. But almost every single Pope. Not almost every single pope that was involved knew about that. They just knew. So that.

[Brian Rose]

That motivates you?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Because I know I can do it right. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

So you want.

[Dan Pena]

I want to be altar boy who never got to be an altar boy.

[Brian Rose]

I mean, how'd you screw that one up, Dan?

[Dan Pena]

Well, my parents didn't have the $8 to buy me a little uniform.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, okay.

[Dan Pena]

All right.

[Brian Rose]

What else do you worry about? You worry about your reputation.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

That's important to you.

[Dan Pena]

Brand.

[Brian Rose]

Your brand. You worry about how you're going to be remembered?

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

How are you going to be remembered?

[Dan Pena]

Well, the. I won't get credit for, you know, the 25 million jobs I've created, etc. Etc. I'll be gone. I have to be gone. But the deal I'm making with the church, I'm going to do this. Listen, is upon my death, I'm going to be canonized.

[Brian Rose]

Canonize is the process of recommending you to be a saint.

[Dan Pena]

No, I'm already in that process.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, really? Yeah. Before you're dead?

[Dan Pena]

Yep.

[Brian Rose]

How do you pull that off? I mean, St. Teresa was, you know, she was helping people.

[Dan Pena]

I can sell anything to anybody.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, so one day you're going to be a saint.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

What are they going to call you? Saint Pena.

[Dan Pena]

Well, I haven't picked the name yet. You can pick a name. Yeah, like a. I like St. Daniel.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, so you can choose one of

[Dan Pena]

your names or anybody's name.

[Brian Rose]

My name maybe London. Real.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Saint Daniel maybe.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Not Saint Pena.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

There's no. There's no other Saint Pena, is there?

[Dan Pena]

No.

[Brian Rose]

Mother Teresa. That's her first name. So she's. Is she a saint now? Oh, yeah, she's St. Teresa.

[Dan Pena]

It only took 25 years after she died.

[Brian Rose]

That's a fast track.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, but they just made a kid, 16 years old, a saint. Saint Carlo. He was 16 years old when he died. He's only been dead two or three years. They made him a saint about a month ago.

[Brian Rose]

How's that work?

[Dan Pena]

Internet blockchain. He got voted. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. All right. So you're going to get canonized and you want to become a saint.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. You want to be remembered. You're going to. The digital footprint is going to be how you're remembered. Is there going to be a. Are you going to leave us with an AI version of you?

[Dan Pena]

It's going to be a hologram. Okay. When I die, all my stuff, including the stuff that's 98 of everything I do, is already online. Right. It's the 2%, the nuances. It's not. That's the good stuff, too. Yeah, it's a lot of the good stuff. And it's a lot of the webinars. It's a lot of the in person talks that the guys give.

[Brian Rose]

What about your. All your email inbox? Like, what if you could get that into an AI, you know, all your private conversations?

[Dan Pena]

Well, you can, right? Yeah, that's. You can.

[Brian Rose]

That's.

[Dan Pena]

And I will put it. Open source. Is that the right word, Open source?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, I think so.

[Dan Pena]

So open source, everything, free to everybody. And with a hologram, in fact, as I. I don't think I'm ever going to be so ill, I can't give the seminar. But if that were to happen, we're already working on a hologram that's going to sit in my chair in front of the trillion dollar man thing.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

And give it to you and. And answer the questions. While you ask the question, the AI is figuring out what the answer is.

[Brian Rose]

And then can you dial it up to, like, super nasty Grumpy Dan or.

[Dan Pena]

We haven't. Dan.

[Brian Rose]

After two martinis.

[Dan Pena]

We haven't worked on that many details yet.

[Brian Rose]

That would be good because some guys, I mean, you got guys that beat themselves, right? The QLA bots. So they could turn it up if they need a little bit, and if it's just too much, Dan, they could turn it down a little bit, you know?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, but I would rather turn it up, not turn it down.

[Brian Rose]

Somebody heard you were coming back and they're like, how's it going to be with Dan? And I said. I said, dan in private is much worse than Dan. Yeah. Especially when you haven't seen me for a while and you see me at least the first hour. You're brutal to me. Like, you lay into me. I remember that.

[Dan Pena]

Well, you can't use this as an example. I didn't say anything brutal.

[Brian Rose]

No, no, not here, but I mean, privately. You do?

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Publicly, I mean.

[Dan Pena]

Well, you know, you should have. You coulda.

[Brian Rose]

You're just like, what the hell you doing, Brian? What are you doing with this? What are you doing with this? Whether it's at the castle and if

[Dan Pena]

you should live to be 80, which is doubtful.

[Brian Rose]

Easy.

[Dan Pena]

No, no.

[Brian Rose]

Did you see me? See how good a shape they said I was in?

[Dan Pena]

I should have been in the ring with you.

[Brian Rose]

That could be a railgage.

[Dan Pena]

54 and 80. Okay. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

You're saying you want some of this?

[Dan Pena]

No, no, I should do. No, no, no. I should have been. The fight wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. Okay. Believe me.

[Brian Rose]

So you're saying you'd beat me?

[Dan Pena]

Categorically.

[Brian Rose]

We should put this.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. No question. In my military, civilian mind. I could snap your neck from here.

[Brian Rose]

Right. Would Sally let you fight?

[Dan Pena]

I wouldn't tell her. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. You were saying? Oh, I'm not gonna live to 80.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. But if you should live to 80. You're going to look back, what should I have done?

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

And I can already give you a list of 40, 50 things that I

[Brian Rose]

should have done already.

[Dan Pena]

Already. And you're only 54 or 55. Okay. Okay. Your birthday is May 31st.

[Brian Rose]

May 17th.

[Dan Pena]

May 7th. Oh, the day after my mom. May 16th. That's right.

[Brian Rose]

So it's the same message. Take more risk, do more. Stop screwing around.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. I mean, the. You have a following. And whether you. It doesn't matter whether you deserve the following. It's. The fact is you have it. Same thing I told you years ago.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And what are you going to do with it? You know, not a dissimilar talk I had with Grant Cardone. I get. I don't get any credit for creating those billions he's got. But the interview I had with him that he took off the air is why he's rich, Right.

[Brian Rose]

Well, you told him to exactly take a social.

[Dan Pena]

And he did it.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

I don't know which of the stories is true. One is that when I left a day later, he fired a bunch of people and he started over again. I don't know if that's true or he took four or five months to, you know, see who could adapt and who couldn't adapt. But he was sitting on, I told him billions in assets, that you could take a 2% management fee off the top and get yourself that 650, which I think he's got now.

[Brian Rose]

In assets.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, The. The plane.

[Brian Rose]

The plane. Oh, yeah, yeah. Now he's got a 650.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. And he put a million dollars extra in air. Not. No.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

What do you call it?

[Brian Rose]

Avionics.

[Dan Pena]

Avionics. That's the word.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

So you're saying do the same thing. Take my audience. Whether you agree I should have or not.

[Dan Pena]

Doesn't matter.

[Brian Rose]

It doesn't matter. By the way, you used to call a bunch of losers. But, you know, they're older. Older now, and they are.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. So it doesn't make them. That they're not losers. All right.

[Brian Rose]

But still. And you're saying do something bigger with it is what you're saying. Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Not many people are gifted a base in their lifetimes.

[Brian Rose]

True, true. We started earlier than most, and then we did stay focused longer than most, maybe sometimes to my detriment. You know, we kept doing the thing

[Dan Pena]

back in the day.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. And then that built the audience over time, and then we didn't really know what was there until one day it said geometric Progression. And then in year nine, it was like, oh, there are a lot of people watching, but there's more you can do with it. Look, in the last few years, you know, we did something with it in the financial space. You know, we built a venture firm, and we've done bigger things than we ever did in the past. A little bit like Grant Cardone. I was explaining the model to him, and he was like, oh, interesting. But there's more we can do.

[Dan Pena]

Absolutely. See the. Not the flip side, in conjunction with that, you can always do more.

[Brian Rose]

Yes.

[Dan Pena]

I know very few models. You can't do more. Very few.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

And how do you teach someone to see that they're not doing more when they think they're telling themselves every day, I'm. I have to do more.

[Dan Pena]

Great difficulty. Right. I mean, you need a mentor. That's why, you know, the guy has done 56 billion, is stopped.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

He was. I mean, he was just. He just got the front wheels off the Runway. That's enough for me. I remember I almost choked. I was at an airport.

[Brian Rose]

Because that's your number.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

But he had enough. For whatever reason.

[Dan Pena]

For whatever reason.

[Brian Rose]

And you've seen that a lot.

[Dan Pena]

You've said that before countless times.

[Brian Rose]

A lot of guys quit. Quit earlier.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, Yeah. I want to be billionaire. They make $80 million, I never hear from him again. Right.

[Brian Rose]

Because they don't want the hardship, the pressure. They say that's what happened to Conor McGregor. He got too much money. And then there's a point where you don't want to get up. You don't want to get punched in the face anymore, and you don't want to.

[Dan Pena]

Is he ever going to fight again?

[Brian Rose]

The White House fight has gotten a lot of guys excited that we're in retirement. So Conor says he wants to fight at the White House because for these guys, they have to.

[Dan Pena]

They have to get.

[Brian Rose]

Get up for something. You know, just another fight's not interesting for him. Another 10 million bucks isn't interesting for him. But the White House, I think he's trying to book that. But that's.

[Dan Pena]

You mean the fight in the White House? Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

For the 250th anniversary of America, Trump is holding a UFC at the White House in July 4 next year, the kid. The fighters are going to walk through the Oval Office. Only Trump could do that. And his buddy Dana. Yeah. So get some. Get a mentor that can tell you you're not doing enough or be in a system. Well, you can do that.

[Dan Pena]

Well, it's easy. If you have the mentor.

[Brian Rose]

How do you do it?

[Dan Pena]

Well, I don't have anybody to tell me. I know, but how? Well, no, it's, it's because the.

[Brian Rose]

You don't need to anymore.

[Dan Pena]

No, I. Every day, from brush, from when I take my first pee to when I go to sleep, it's, I think qla, I mean, and the. And to a certain extent, the 20 plus companies I'm involved with are already, every day, each one of them pushes one of the buttons that they made a mistake on. Okay? And so that keeps it fresh. The fact that I speak and I do these podcasts, some are challenging, most aren't. Speaking at the universities I like better because the kids. Because when you're at Oxford or you're at the Wharton or you're at the University of Toronto and you come to my talk, it's because you're not part of the norm, okay? You're different. And so they ask different kind of questions. The real question that should be asked by everybody that listens to me or comes to the seminar or listens to any of my stuff online is, is this really for me? All the other questions are bullshit, perfunctory bullshit. But if you answer that one of two ways, if it is you really think it is, or because if you're going to only try, you're going to fail, okay? And if you say no, you save your time, self. A lot of time, a lot of effort, a lot of seminars, a lot of podcasts, a lot of books, et cetera, et cetera. And for most people, it's not for them, it just isn't. You know, I sat for nine years, 11 months, three weeks. I devoted 100, 120 hours a week to QLA.

[Brian Rose]

How do you get out of a rat race?

[Dan Pena]

How do you create wealth not only

[London Real Investment Club Promoter]

for yourself, but also for the generations to come after?

[Dan Pena]

I am absolutely amazed with the quality of companies that we're getting exposure to. We go on to zoom calls with

[Brian Rose]

the innovators and the folks who are building new applications in Metaverse, blockchain, artificial intelligence, decentralized finance.

[Dan Pena]

What's going on, everybody? Thumbs up if you can see me. We are focusing on early stage investment and the quality of people that we're getting exposure to, whether it be Dan Tapiero with one rt, Jason Ma from Open A Yatsu from Animoca.

[Brian Rose]

It's been a phenomenal experience thus far. It has far exceeded my expectations. We are focusing on cutting edge technologies. I view it now as the best investment I've ever made. The upside I view is unlimited.

[Dan Pena]

And as a retail investor, I would never get this exposure anywhere else outside of investment club. See you in the investment club at the expense of my God, my family, my kids, everybody. Okay. And that last week to make 10 years I looked at the phone and this is before all the Internet. I couldn't do it anymore. I just was spent. Okay. A good portion of my net worth today is still responsible for those 10 years. Today.

[Brian Rose]

You doing the model before you started teaching it.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Right. Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. And then I found that, you know, I made a half a billion dollars not overnight in six, seven years. But I didn't find it hard. But I can sell anybody anything. I mean, that guy that asked that girl for a coffee and she said no after three years. I can't relate to that. I just can't. I'd still be sitting there asking her. It's 17 no's before you get a yes.

[Brian Rose]

That's right.

[Dan Pena]

And anybody that knows anything about sales knows that. How many times do they ask? 2, 3, 4. It's like the famous question when you were there, you didn't ask it. They said we were talking about just talk to a guy at 10 o' clock in the morning and how soon is too soon to get back to him? Mr. Pena? And I said 10 in the morning, 10:30. And they're talking about three weeks from now. I never worked for a girl or

[Brian Rose]

for a business dealer.

[Dan Pena]

No. Either one.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

You know, I mean, I just get on it. Yeah. And I have rhino skins. Sally calls me rhino skin to this day. You can't hurt my feelings. When I came here in 81, I used to say, I'm an American, you can't hurt my feelings. Just give me the fucking money. Just like that. And I got it. I still say the same thing. The bankers don't want to talk to me because I mean I will. I mean, you gotta have a. And I'm very numerant. I can understand this without a calculator or whatever. And I. You know, you gotta have a good reason. When I talk about string tests and all this. I was doing that shit before you were in grammar school, kid. Negative covenants and all that shit. The key is when you sign up the first agreement. Nothing's going to get better than the first agreement. And that's on managing people. It's easy to start, tough and loosen if you start loose. You can never tighten. Same with raising kids now. I overdid it with my kids. I was too strict with my kids. I wish I Beat him more. But I didn't, you know.

[Brian Rose]

But the rules of the castle were too much.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. I mean, butlers dressing up for dinner

[Brian Rose]

and all that, And.

[Dan Pena]

And they had tennis pros and golf pros, and, you know, they're not getting any money.

[Brian Rose]

Is it true? They're not getting any inheritance?

[Dan Pena]

None.

[Brian Rose]

And you said that. They say they're okay with it, but

[Dan Pena]

that's what they say.

[Brian Rose]

They're not.

[Dan Pena]

I know they're not.

[Brian Rose]

Especially your son.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. He. He can't be okay with it.

[Brian Rose]

And why won't you? Because it's gonna. They're already grown. Why would it matter?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, because the principle. No, it's not. Has nothing to do with the principle. It has to do with the fact when you earn the money yourself, it's not the same as when daddy gave it to you. And even though if Trump got 4 million or 400 million, I don't know which one is true, I mean, he's still in the back of his head, knows that he didn't start from scratch.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, Got it. And that eats at a man. You don't want them to have that feeling. It's just the wrong kind of money.

[Dan Pena]

Just like the same reason of. The reason you get in the ring.

[Brian Rose]

Why? Tell me.

[Dan Pena]

I've told you before.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Why? Your dad's a better person to answer that question.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, well, so I'm going to talk to my dad and then I'll.

[Dan Pena]

No, you're not. I mean. But I'm going to resolve everything interviewing him once, whatever that was.

[Brian Rose]

I don't think this. My solutions lie in my dad.

[Dan Pena]

No, no. They emanated from your dad.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

And more so than any.

[Brian Rose]

Any. No, no.

[Dan Pena]

Maybe more so.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Okay. His Caltech mentality, he couldn't cope.

[Brian Rose]

Well, I couldn't cope with his mentality.

[Dan Pena]

Caltech? Yeah. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Brian Rose]

Tell me.

[Dan Pena]

So go back and listen to your interview. Okay. Seriously.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, so he's a Caltech guy.

[Dan Pena]

I know he doesn't have a lot of emotions. Duh. Okay?

[Brian Rose]

And that's what stops.

[Dan Pena]

You've only developed emotions in the last 10 or 15 years.

[Brian Rose]

Maybe that's true.

[Dan Pena]

Not maybe.

[Brian Rose]

And that's what's stopping me not having my emotions.

[Dan Pena]

What initiated you not reaching out and taking risks? Because you knew what the answer was when you failed. You knew the answer before he said it.

[Brian Rose]

Because if I failed, he wouldn't love me.

[Dan Pena]

Well, only you know that. I don't know that.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Some people. Some people's love is not worth it.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, but you're saying that the root of my lack of risk taking is me not feeling I'll be loved if I fail?

[Dan Pena]

No, the root of your lack of risk taking is low self esteem. Okay. And it has. Well, worse than better now. Yeah, a lot better now you've done, you know, and getting in the ring does help.

[Brian Rose]

Yes, it's better now if you had

[Dan Pena]

gotten in the ring and both fights got knocked out in the first round, it's not likely. Maybe you wouldn't have had the second fight.

[Brian Rose]

Right, if I got knocked out. True. Yeah, true.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, Yeah. I was thinking about my kids and mental health.

[Dan Pena]

We had a guy recently who's one of my gazillionaires that said that, well, what if he damaged some of my brain cells and I'm not as numerant.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And I said, well, that's a hand job. Whose fucking idea? You know?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, it's all.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, exactly.

[Brian Rose]

But you try to talk yourself out of it. I could see all my brain telling me this. It was like giving me all these worst scenarios, Dan. And I was just like, I don't want to go in the fucking ring. And then I was like, but I have to go in the ring. And then afterwards it was like, it's all bullshit.

[Dan Pena]

Correct. 95% of the things we worry about never happen. I was at a board meeting a year ago, right now in Toronto. And we and Sally had joined us and our lawyers and accountants and all these people. This is a 500 million dollar company revenue. We decided snowing and decided to walk back to the hotel for dinner, for drinks. We had just had dinner. And so one of the guys says, well, there's a shortcut here through some alleys or some shit. So the, you, the. The mentee and the deal. Sturdy, fit, good looking black guy, like a black James Bond. Okay. And so we walk through and then there's the. The other board members are lagging behind and three black guys step out in the alley, big guys. And I'm thinking, I'm wearing $100,000 top coat. I was going to get fucked up, ripped up. So the kid and me, the kid stayed by my side. We walked up and I said, okay, assholes, are we going to fight or dance? We're stalking you, Mr. Pena. We want your autograph. The rest of the board members disappeared into the night. Hey assholes, are we gonna fight or dance?

[Brian Rose]

So that's the state of the world today. A bunch of pussies.

[Dan Pena]

Well, there are not too many people that would say fight or dance.

[Brian Rose]

No, not many. They all scattered. But you were there. No, no, the three.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, no, the three guys. And then they came back to the bar with us and one of them was starting a vodka company and some. And. But we worry about that doesn't happen.

[Brian Rose]

I agree. I agree.

[Dan Pena]

But I was worried about my $100,000. Coach it all up.

[Brian Rose]

But maybe by doing things, I become the man I need to be.

[Dan Pena]

I mean, you're closer to the man than when I first met you.

[Brian Rose]

I said.

[Dan Pena]

You already said two or three times during this interview. He's changed. I helped change you. Yes, but you don't change unless you're ready for change.

[Brian Rose]

True.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

And it took me too long.

[Dan Pena]

Some of the things were harder for you to change from.

[Brian Rose]

Yes.

[Dan Pena]

And some were hard into. But you didn't. Just like in the ring, you didn't die from them, did you?

[Brian Rose]

No, no. And it took me too long. It's 11 years, Dan. It's a long time. I know.

[Dan Pena]

You're like, you're an engineer.

[Brian Rose]

And here's the crazy thing. In the first few years after we met, I was talking about a fund I was going to raise a fund. I was doing the tech show at the time. And then 10 years later, I actually did it. And I'm watching myself do it with the Blockchain Fund, all these. And I'm like, why the fuck didn't I do this 10 years ago? And you were telling me to do it, but I couldn't get my head around it. Well, but now I can.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. There's a famous guy out there that says he's read 700 books on change and psychology and blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. And I'm sure There's at least 700 books on sex. I don't know, I've never read one. But I could ask the audience that read the 700 books on sex, did they compare to actually having sex? No. You can study. Get ready for now. Spreadsheet. The last spreadsheet I did was before spreadsheet. What was it called?

[Brian Rose]

Lotus one.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Lotus one, two, three. That's the last time I did one. Okay. Right.

[Brian Rose]

It's either hot or it's not.

[Dan Pena]

That's how he used to tell that's either hot or not. Yeah. And the. But it's still a tough thing to get through, get through to people. It just is.

[Brian Rose]

And a lot of your kids take time. Well.

[Dan Pena]

Because they're afraid of making a mistake. We had an old guy, a retired guy, who was 67 years old. And he built two or three companies, sold them off. And he was on his third or fourth wife, and now he's got a girl, girlfriend just made his wife who's 30. Okay. And he says, I'm here because I thought that I had made enough money to last a fourth wife. But I know now I'm not. I haven't. So, I mean, I got to make another fortune. And he's Swiss guy, funny as hell. And then I said, when they're asking questions at that drinks at the end of the seminar, and he says, what we're really afraid of, Mr. Pena, no matter what we say or what we do, that we can't perform just because you bring a thousand people in front of us. And they all did it. The Goomba brothers and this, the that and the other. Okay? And then we're the thousand and one, and we can't. And that's. And that's the basic fear. And that's why the longest deals are, that we have been able to keep track are 12 and 13 years. It took them 12 and 13 years. This last group, we're averaging about three years. But since you were there, we had a guy doing 26 days.

[Brian Rose]

Is this the Pig Fucker?

[Dan Pena]

Pig fucker.

[Brian Rose]

Heard about him.

[Dan Pena]

26 days.

[Brian Rose]

Congratulations.

[Dan Pena]

And he's already retired. He's already retired.

[Brian Rose]

Really?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. He made about £40 million and he's gone. He got a McLaren and something else, and he's about three feet tall and he's got real ruddy skin and he thinks that he's combing his hair different and that's why the girls like him. Give me a break, okay?

[Brian Rose]

Look at the monsters you create.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, I mean, it's hilarious. But I mean, you. You can fabricate almost anything to yourself. You can come up with a reason.

[Brian Rose]

True.

[Dan Pena]

But, yeah, you got in the ring.

[Brian Rose]

See, I. I think what I need to keep doing is taking more risk and getting more uncomfortable. I don't think.

[Dan Pena]

No, you have to. I don't think I talk with my daddy, learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

But I don't think I talk with my dad is going to get me there.

[Dan Pena]

Well, I don't know. Well, I don't want to know how up your relationship is with him, but I know a lot of the guys when you hear, you know, because I don't. I don't have. I only have dinner with one guy, remember? And I don't have lunch and I don't have breakfast, but they were talking about daddy issues. And so when you're the second to the last day. And you have a guy in the front row up here yelling at a guy in the back row. Oh, we're tired of hearing about your daddy issues. Okay. So what you're talking about, you know, we rarely hear mommy issues. Okay. We almost always hear daddy issues. And then when I searched into it, both of them come from really reasonably successful parents. Their fathers. One's a big mega something or other and he. I'm exaggerating. A plumber. Nothing wrong with being a plumber. It's an honest living. Right. But it's not Fortune 155 CEO. Whatever his dad was. And what does the Fortune 155 CEO think of his son, the plumber? You know exactly what he thinks.

[Brian Rose]

Not impressed.

[Dan Pena]

Correct. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

And that's where it stems from.

[Dan Pena]

Part of it.

[Brian Rose]

You're the king of daddy issues. Damn.

[Dan Pena]

I know. I, I, It's a package. Accessible and everything. Except mathletics.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. And my dad was all American, blah, blah, blah blah. And it's the thing that I picked that I knew he couldn't come back and compete against me. And like he, when I brought him to the castle the first time and I stood under the Napoleon chandelier there with my arm around him like this and he looks up and he says, son, just tell me it's not drugs. And I said, dad, it's kind of like drugs. It's oil and gas. It's addictive. Because he couldn't relate it how I went from barrio bad boy in jail. The last time I was in jail was attempted assault with a deadly weapon on a policeman. I mean I was, I was only going one way.

[Brian Rose]

But you did this because you couldn't progress in athletics that would have made your dad proud. So you found another way.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

So all your success comes down to a daddy issue.

[Dan Pena]

Taken to the extreme. One of my dad who never understood what I did. Right. So although my kid was brother lies to me. Vince, I know you're going to listen to this. Lies to me and says dad knew exactly what you were doing. But I know he didn't.

[Brian Rose]

Anyway, if channeled right. It's a superpower.

[Dan Pena]

Absolutely. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

I just need to channel it better.

[Dan Pena]

Correct. Okay. Not channel in the sense of these hocus pocus guys, you know?

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Not that kind of channel.

[Brian Rose]

Just channel it into more risk taking.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

And caring. Less about thoughts, results, opinions, which is the same.

[Dan Pena]

Not caring at all is best.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Not caring at all. I mean you've had. I know that. I don't know if you still do. You used to take negative that was written about you off the YouTube and those comments. Okay, and I teased you about it then. I don't want to know what the answer is now, but it wasn't helpful. Okay, well, we don't take anything off.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, but you don't let people talk shit in your seminar either.

[Dan Pena]

Okay, well, they can.

[Brian Rose]

Similar thing. No, they can't. You'll throw them out.

[Dan Pena]

No, same thing. Somebody can put anything on Reddit.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, yeah, and that's. That's fine. I'm. I'm over it. Yeah, but it's a. It's. It's a bit similar. You wouldn't allow someone to talk shit in your seminar, so.

[Dan Pena]

Why would I talk shit in the seminar?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, and you throw them out.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, no. You're. They don't come to the seminar. If you come to the seminar and think for a microsecond that you're ever going to get out of your mouth, even some. Something that's contrary to what I teach your brain dead. That doesn't happen. And in the 90s, I will neither confirm nor deny. I used to hit people. I mean, we locked up your cell phone. I mean, you drank Bloody Marys from the morning to the evening. I mean, but we gave you. There were no handouts, there were no slides, there were no scripts. There was nothing. And most of my billionaires are from the 90s. Yeah, I know some tough guys. Of course, that's when the. The Russians were coming through. And this is the Russian model without a gun.

[Brian Rose]

You know a lot of people, Dan.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, I do.

[Brian Rose]

You're very well connected. And you met. You rarely mention it. Yeah, or you're. You're very vague.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. And I got an offer to do a kiss and tell book again. And I said, how much money up front? You never asked us that before, Mr. Pena.

[Brian Rose]

How much?

[Dan Pena]

10 million. Nah, not enough. Not enough for me to piss off a third of Wall Street.

[Brian Rose]

Is it never going to happen, or who knows?

[Dan Pena]

That's not my kind of deal. I would rather use it to squeeze them to do a deal than tell them all the bad things that I know about these guys. I was asked to go to Epstein's island three times.

[Brian Rose]

By him or friends of his?

[Dan Pena]

No, him.

[Brian Rose]

Him. Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Actually, Maxwell, because I knew her father.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, got it. And.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Did you know?

[Dan Pena]

Of course I knew. Everybody knew.

[Brian Rose]

Everybody knew. It was bad news.

[Dan Pena]

And the fact that Bill Gates and these guys.

[Brian Rose]

Clinton.

[Dan Pena]

What a lie. Jesus Christ, man up.

[Brian Rose]

They just.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. I did the first TV commercial in 1985 with Maxwell Sr. The, and at the end, at the filming. Yeah, required £10,000 or I'm not going to do it. And so I, I said I didn't know we're getting paid for this deal. And so they went out and got £10,000 and came back and gave it to him. So we can, we completed the little series of commercial and they, they even started calling me little Max. Fuck. But so yeah, I was on that list. But I mean, I won't say anybody could have been on that list, but

[Brian Rose]

there was a lot of people he was connected to a lot of people raising a lot of money. Right. And now it's out and Trump says it's a big Democrat fluke thing and it'll be published now and maybe good. And maybe your girl will get out of prison. Who knows?

[Dan Pena]

Well, it's not my girl, but anyway, yeah, the fact that she's in a low security prison now is not an accident. And the. She was just a nice. Well, she was a kid, now she's 60s up. But she was a nice kid and she was nice to me because she knew that I knew her dad. And her dad was an asshole though. He was a real prick. But all these guys are selfish. See, when you're taught as a kid, don't be selfish, let Johnny use your toys, that kind of shit. Fuck Johnny. Get new parents. Get some toys of your own. You little prick.

[Brian Rose]

That's the way my boys behave when no one's watching. There's not a lot of charity. Kids are allowed to be themselves, right?

[Dan Pena]

Well, I don't know about if I had any charity. The nuns and the fucking priests beat it out of me. And the. I'm the perfect person to do this project for the church. My mother was an illegal alien. Comes from right near where the current Archbishop Gomez comes from in Mexico. There's a lot of people. They're going to lose 20% of the Vatican bank when I'm done. At least 20, if not more. Lose it how? Because they're doing favors, okay?

[Brian Rose]

The staff, the team, the whole thing.

[Dan Pena]

They only, they only know the seaman's way, okay?

[Brian Rose]

Okay. So you have to get rid of them.

[Dan Pena]

And I'll, you know, I'll go in there.

[Brian Rose]

Peter Thiel took a half a million dollars and turned it into a billion dollars using the exact same techniques we're using inside the investment club. He met a CEO, his name was Zuckerberg. He pitched him the deal and he said, okay, I'll give you a half A million dollars Mark went public and sold the shares to people like you. Well, what happened to Peter? Well, he exited and got a 2,300x return. The wealthy invest in early stage companies, folks. The public markets are for suckers. It's a rigged game. By the way.

[Dan Pena]

This happens in crypto as well.

[Brian Rose]

It's called pre sale tokens. This is Solana. Does anybody know this chain? They sold pre sale tokens for $0.04. And you can see the date on there. April 5, 2018. Look at Solana today, folks. That thing's up up over a thousand X. The media and Wall street and all these hype people get you to buy the top. Meanwhile they put their clients in at the bottom and they use you for liquidity to make their clients rich. You can play this same game. You just have to have the financial education and the deal flow.

[Dan Pena]

That's it. And it's like when I fire the top three of 10 guys when I'm a big organization sales, maybe they shouldn't be fired. But there's a new sheriff in town and the new sheriff in town will tell you there's collateral damage and everybody's worried about the collateral damage. I don't worry about that. But all of a sudden everybody's sales just went up 25%.

[Brian Rose]

You said hire the highest, fire the highest performing sales guy and take the hit and show everybody who's in the

[Dan Pena]

well now it's up to the three. Three out of the top five. And there's a reason now people look the other way not to fire people people because of woke and it's too much paperwork. I do just the opposite still. You still okay this day. To this day.

[Brian Rose]

So 10 more years of QLA if Trump stays in office next 10 years you're going to sort out the Vatican and you're living to 120 plus is the plan.

[Dan Pena]

And I hope I die on re entry after having sex with Sally coming back from the moon. I plan on going to the moon.

[Brian Rose]

Oh really? The moon?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

All right. So that'll be in.

[Dan Pena]

You know the real reason Elon the Musk wants to go to the not in the moon. Mars.

[Brian Rose]

Mars.

[Dan Pena]

Why the real reason now is is connected as you want with all these sycophants that you have on your show.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

That suck your ass. You don't know the real reason he wants to go?

[Brian Rose]

No.

[Dan Pena]

Tell me it's 40 lithium.

[Brian Rose]

So he wants the batteries correct for his robots.

[Dan Pena]

That's the only reason.

[Brian Rose]

That's it.

[Dan Pena]

It and he knows we're through down Here.

[Brian Rose]

Well, he definitely knows that. Yeah, he wants a backup plan and it's a great dream to sell. It's better than the green new scam you sell people on. The dream. We're going to go to Mars.

[Dan Pena]

Well, the current is green scam now. The current. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

That's getting reversed.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. You know, you remember why is Obama's $50 million estate and Gates $300 million estate on the water's edge? And Obama just bought it in the last two or three years. If global warming is for real, why are we building here in Britain? A 28 billion pound nuclear plant in Suffolk's on the water. Why? It's a hand job. I mean, God. But it's an easy sale.

[Brian Rose]

We re released your global warming clip of you being interviewed by me at the premiere of your movie 50 Billion Dollar man, which I had to drag you to, by the way, but that's a whole nother story story. And after the movie, you got up on stage. I thought we were gonna have a nice fireside chat, and you started firing bombs into the audience.

[Dan Pena]

A third woman was gonna attack me.

[Brian Rose]

The Australian woman who drank too much called you out. And then there was a bunch of your minions in the front row. They wanted to kick her ass. And when people think I'm telling the. The global warming lady questions down. I was telling your minion to sit down because this girl was gonna go punch her in the face. And then you laid it out to her with the core samples and everything. And that piece of video, Dan, six, seven minute piece. That thing has been watched probably 50 million times because on Facebook it was like 10 million views here. And we, we released it after we were banned from YouTube for two years. I got.

[Dan Pena]

Why did you get banned? Because of, because of ick and all that stuff.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, Covid. Yeah. Medical misinformation. And then it was the White House that told them to take it down. Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And how did you get back?

[Brian Rose]

Because Trump sued YouTube. They paid him a $25 million lawsuit. And then Representative Jim Jordan in the Congress went after Google and forced them. He took them to court and they admitted that they shouldn't have taken. Oh, no. They were pressured by the government to take down accounts because of COVID content. And he made them promise to put the accounts back if that's the reason they had been taken down. Now I saw this and I was like, is this actually going to happen? And nothing happened for about two weeks. And then we went and went back to YouTube and it to. To appeal again. We'd done it 100 times. I was trying. I don't want to tell you how many times I tried to get that channel back. I tried many ways to get into YouTube. And every time I was about to get it back, Dan, like 24 hours, they're like, yeah, it'll be up tomorrow, no problem. We're going to do it on a weekend. So. So no one notices. The next morning, I get a call and they say, someone hates you. Inside of YouTube. This is a senior C suite executive that's got their thumb on your account and it will not be turned on until they sign off. Some VP can't do it in fucking Berlin. It's in the Valley, and they're sticking their thumb on it. So many. So I was fucked. So then we came back and the appeal process, and it looked different. We did it five hours later. Bing. Videos start coming up. Videos start coming up. And one of the first things we did is we republished some old content and we republished your global warming thing, and it got a million views in four days because you broke it down exactly like you said now. And there was something about that where they're like, this guy knows what he's fucking talking about. And it rings true.

[Dan Pena]

You know how many panels and discussions I've been canceled at the last minute of global warming? And then they see that, and then they call Kat, they call Kim. We've had a change in agenda. We don't need Mr. Pena now, you

[Brian Rose]

know, because of that clip. Yeah. Really?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And sometimes I've actually flown there, you know, I'm getting ready, you know, brushing my teeth, have breakfast, and I get

[Brian Rose]

canceled because they Google your name and they find something you said and they

[Dan Pena]

come back and protest because there's no answers to those.

[Brian Rose]

Still happening now.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. I haven't been asked to be on a panel in a while.

[Brian Rose]

Are the unis still canceling you? Yeah. The girls take their clothes off and.

[Dan Pena]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

What was that like?

[Dan Pena]

Oh, I watched the video. They were surprised I showed up. Okay. Because they thought that, you know, they were worried for my safety.

[Brian Rose]

This was a university in the north of England, actually.

[Dan Pena]

South of England.

[Brian Rose]

South of England. And a bunch of people protested, including girls who wrote some protest stuff on

[Dan Pena]

their bodies and they took their tops

[Brian Rose]

off to protest you. Yeah. And there was a bunch of feminist dudes in the audience, too, that were going after you as well.

[Dan Pena]

All true.

[Brian Rose]

How was that? First time for everything.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, the. I. I told. I kept going, right? Yeah, you kept going. Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Rose]

And they stayed.

[Dan Pena]

No, they Stayed. And then finally the police security didn't know where to touch him to drag him off. And then finally they left. They finally left. Okay, but that's not the, that that's happened in a couple places that happened at University of Florida, which I thought I was safe because of Rick Scott at that time was governor. Yeah. And the, but the, the woke. I was sitting at a dinner, awards dinner and with a lady who I didn't recognize. She's the head of wealth management for JP Morgan, a gal. And I don't know. And so, and I said something about Rick and so she gets Rick on the phone. She. Who's this? Rick Scott. Rick, what's happening? Where are you? Are you in trouble? You need me? No, no, no. This lady just dialed you. She said, well, she's a big hitter. She runs wealth management at JP Morgan. Have a good time. Say hello to Sally. Yeah, and so but it's just. Why would they do that? And all the stuff they built in Florida, not all, but almost all that stuff. It's going to be the biggest next class action lawsuit. You know, all the cities and the counties that have benefited from that new building, those new buildings that go all the way down to the Keys, but I mean Los Angeles and Amsterdam and they were fighting, they were pissing around about the Panama Canal a few months ago, are all gone. If it's. Best case scenario, 3 meters, worst case scenario, 30 meters. 30 meters, 2 thirds of the world's gone. Okay, right, okay, three meters, a bunch of it's gone. But they wouldn't do that. Banks, even though they done stupid things over my lifetime, banks aren't just writing off, you know, ultimately trillions of dollars to make people happy. But Bill Gates would be the first to move his house. And I didn't know this. I've been saying he's got 50,000 square feet for years and years and years. I didn't know he added 10,000 more feet here in the last five or ten years I was up there many, many years ago. They wouldn't, they're too smart for that. But the next play, and I've been saying this for a while, what is it? Water?

[Brian Rose]

Yes.

[Dan Pena]

I've heard you say the big money is water rights. There's a reason why Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, amongst others are the largest mineral owners in the United States. It's not the mineral minerals. The mineral they want is water because that's the next shortage. It is, it is. That's the next shortage. And the big money had been buying up water rights for 50, 60, 70 years to look out.

[Brian Rose]

Because that's next.

[Dan Pena]

Yes. Pretty soon a glass like water that I have here will cost more than a barrel of oil.

[Brian Rose]

And they can't purify it. Or in the Middle east, they purify it from the seawater.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Expensive, though, isn't it?

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Yeah, but they have the money. They don't give a shit.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

Money's no object.

[Brian Rose]

And the oil comes seeping out of the ground.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. I mean, okay.

[Brian Rose]

All right, so we heard it here first. Water.

[Dan Pena]

And we're not going to have any electric car until Saudi Arabia runs out of oil, which is in 500 years. They don't say that. The publishers, they're the second or third largest oil reserves in the world. 500 years is Dan Pena's estimate. Used to be 300 years. And I'll give you an example. Saudi Arabia has been trying to take Aramco public since Christ was around. And they can't, okay? And they went to nasdaq, they went to the New York Stock Exchange, they went to some of the lesser exchanges, Toronto, etc. They went to Hong Kong, they went to Beijing, they went to Singapore. Nobody do it. Okay? So then they come back because they wanted to take 5% of Aramco public without showing their oil reserves. And the value of Aramco is their oil reserves. Okay? So they take it back to Saudi Arabia, they take it public there. 5% of Aramco. And the valuation for the company was a trillion or a trillion and a half or something. But nobody would buy it on the stock chain. So they forced all employees, either directly or indirectly employed by the government. Every swinging dick employee in Saudi Arabia had to buy Aramco. That's the only way they got the public offering away. Right. Without an evaluation of the oil reserves. And the reason they don't want the oil reserves evaluation is going to show maybe a gazillion barrels, which kills the price of oil. Oil will be a nickel. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

If people knew how much they had.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

So it's.

[Dan Pena]

And everybody in the oil business, ExxonMobil, dating Max. And when I started 45 years ago, knows this story. Except you don't hear Anderson Cooper saying anything. You don't see any of these guys saying anything. I thought it was going to come to truth when the chief, first chief, one of the first chiefs of staff for Trump was the former chairman CEO of Exxon Mobil. That guy who I knew when he was a middle manager, by the way, and he quit because it was too Much hassle working for him. And then mad dogmatics, the marine guy came before, et cetera. We're not going to have. It's a hand job. It's no way are we ever going to have those kind of flying car. And because they got to get rid

[Brian Rose]

of that oil and they'll sell it at any price. And that's the only can. That's the open secret in the world.

[Dan Pena]

Well, it's not. So I'll tell you another secret. In 1964, 65, they were had the American Petroleum Institute, which is a bunch of jerk off MIT and Caltech guys sitting up there jerking each other off. They had a convention in Las Vegas. Yeah, and the head scientist for this is before ExxonMobil were merged in Chevron. The head scientist from Chevron was driving from San Francisco to Las Vegas to make a paper, okay? This paper, this big discovery he made, he left home in time. And then the next day at 10 o' clock when he was supposed to get up and speak. Now this is legend in our business, he wasn't there. Now this guy never missed anything in his life. Anyway, he never showed up, he never made the paper or discussed the paper. What was the paper? Turn changed two molecules in distilled water and you got petroleum, two molecules. Now you probably understand it better than I do. Only two molecules sounds too good to be true. Exactly. Well, that paper is sitting in the vaults of Chevron in San Francisco since the 60s. Everybody knows it. I mean everybody the janitor knows it. Same thing for cure for cancer. And I go down a long, long list. A lot of the stories you hear about pharma are all true, okay?

[Brian Rose]

So it's all being hidden from us to keep prices up, keep demand up

[Dan Pena]

so they don't lose market share, okay? They don't see it that vulgar to keep market share, okay? And now almost everything that goes wrong in business today is supply chain. Before Corona Rona, nobody knew what the fuck supply chain was.

[Brian Rose]

True.

[Dan Pena]

And now

[Brian Rose]

why?

[Dan Pena]

Because it's an easy thing to blame, okay?

[Brian Rose]

Right, okay, so they just throw it in.

[Dan Pena]

The public is global more. They're morons. That's why I call them medians. Supply chain my ass. I mean you go back and you look at textbooks 10 years ago, five years before corona, you can't find supply chain. It's not a definition, it's just, it's all bullshit.

[Brian Rose]

When you watch the news and I know you watch like four channels every day, correct? Is it just all, all and you're just sorting through or you want to know what is the. They're selling to the meatheads.

[Dan Pena]

No, because my kids will come back to me and say well this happened. You didn't mention this in the seminar. Okay. And so I said, well this is horseshit.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

One of the ones that's the straight is Al Jazeera, which is Middle Eastern owned.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah. Qatar.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, they're pretty straight. But I mean CNN and everybody else, I, I like Bloomberg. Pretty straight. Okay. I listened to the weekend wrap up or whatever. The summary of the week is pretty good. The. But how did I know we were going to have negative oil?

[Brian Rose]

Well, you're an oil guy.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, none of these pundits had ever been the Cushing in Oklahoma to where they swap wet for dry barrels. Okay. It was built in the 20s, 30s, 40s and it's just recently been computerized and they've got old software, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's no fucking way they could have taken an influx of that much oil. I didn't know how much. I guess off the top of my head I said -24, it went -37. Now some of my guys, Wall street guys shorted oil, made hundreds of millions. A couple guys allegedly billions because. No, I mean you can short that commodity all day long. And they were just taking the tickets.

[Brian Rose]

Landman.

[Dan Pena]

It's a great, great series. I love it. And the fact that he used to be married to Angelo.

[Brian Rose]

Angelina Jolli. Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And then she said on the news, he's the greatest fuck. He's got a like a baseball bat. She said that on the news. I still remember that. I love that girl.

[Brian Rose]

After that they used to wear vials of each other other's blood around their neck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the man. He's the man.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Dan, if you had to start everything over again in 93, I go back

[Dan Pena]

and I'd be what you do? I'd be Landman. No, I'd be doing what you do. The first job you had Wall Street.

[Brian Rose]

Wall street, derivatives trade.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah. I mean derivatives. Cuz that, that's trade. Nothing for nothing. Do they still have derivative traders? Yeah, derivatives is big. You mean. But no, but don't they have algorithms enough to do all that?

[Brian Rose]

No, you still need the derivatives, you still need the people. Yeah. Still big business.

[Dan Pena]

So AI is not going to make that disappear.

[Brian Rose]

Maybe. It definitely can take some, take some things out of it. But Wall Street's strong, right? Goldman's Results are strong. J.P. morgan's building a brand new building in London. Brand new building In New York, business is good for those guys. Would you do anything different with qla? And you had to do qla, you had to do this. This was your calling.

[Dan Pena]

I guess you say that, but I tried to do it with the Bear. And they told me I had two great ideas while I was at the Bear. One qla, I'm searching for the best bang for my institutional customer's buck, okay? And the. And I said, it's a quasi real estate play. We buy companies, blah blah, blah. And I forget, either ACE or somebody told me that we wouldn't do that because there's no real fees in it, especially if you do seller finance, okay? So then I came up with a second deal. Was a Salawati oil field and no Walio oil field in Salawati, Indonesia. Oil was like, I exaggerate now, six, six inches deep, a foot or some shit. It's a no brainer, okay? And the Indonesian government just hadn't got around developing it. And so I somehow got an option, just like I took an option public and you don't have to put up any money. And I brought it back to the Bear and we had one oil analyst who's a nice enough guy, an Indian guy. He said, he went, no, no. Oil is way above the guys here. They're not interested in that. I said, well, I'm leaving with this one. I said, is it all right for me to leave? So I went to my bosses, one of which was at my 80th birthday, Keith Kretchmer, he's 90 now. And I said, I'm leaving with this deal. Everybody says, okay. And he says, well, don't be surprised if 25 years from now they come back and ask you for their share. Ten years ago I get a letter from Bear Stearns, the cleanup lawyer from the bankruptcy wanted to know what happened to that asset.

[Brian Rose]

Really? Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And I made a handshake deal with Suharta, the Butcher Murderer. What do you call it? I got paid 25 years though. 25 years. It wasn't always on time, but I always got it because he liked me, you know, he liked me, I think more or less. His. His crazy son Bong Bong liked me more in a way that's not healthy. But anyway, I got paid and so I left. But then a number of years later, they wanted to know, we don't see Bear Stearns on the title any place here. And so I showed him a letter. Thank God I kept the letter. This is before emails, you know. And their lawyer asked how many copies of this letter, do you have what

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[Dan Pena]

And I said one. As I took it back, just one. This one. But that's why I left the Bear, because of the oil. There's plenty of places that you can get oil for two or three dollars a barrel to the surface, but there's so many other places, and that would take billions in infrastructure because there's no pipelines there, it's too shallow for ships like Onassis had. There's all kinds of reasons. But someday they're going to have a secondary tertiary, and even a fourth method of extraction that'll be able to take this oil profitably. And there's no reason to have all this other shit. And the oil guys know that, so they're still graduating petroleum engineers. Left, right and center. Geologists. Left, right and center. And so I know that I'm not the only guy that knows that. And when he says drill baby drill, he means it. And plus, a lot of his backing comes from the oil drilling states. Those psychos from Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas, you know, drill, baby drill.

[Brian Rose]

His energy secretary is an MIT kid. Yeah, at my. He was at my fraternity a few years before I got there. So we're not all bad.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, I'm not. I know a lot of MIT guys that are smart. The. I know a couple Caltech guys that are smart, too. Okay. But those schools, as I tell this when I'm at, I've never been there. But at Harvard, excuse me, Oxford, some of these other schools have talked at. It gets in the door. Okay. It may get you your first promotion, but after that you're on your own.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Unless you're fortunate enough to your boss. And boss boss went to those schools. And then, you know, Kelly was able to. Because Northwestern. And maybe that's why she wants to stay near Chicago. There's a lot of Northwestern grads there and they're loyal to each other. Okay. Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

But she paid an inordinate amount of money to do all.

[Brian Rose]

In your opinion.

[Dan Pena]

My opinion. Okay, I forgot.

[Brian Rose]

More about pushing paper management stuff.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, I mean, I. I could do that. In a coma.

[Brian Rose]

In a coma, Dan, what if there's someone listening and they're. They're. They would say to themselves, I'm too weak. I am a to say your terms, and I need to change myself if I want to get something out of this life. How can they do it?

[Dan Pena]

The first thing is I would. This is all free information, so you take it for what it's worth. We have a book online. All my material is free online. You know that.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Called Qla for Dummies. It was originally written for kids about 10, 12 years ago, but it is our most read piece by adults. We wrote it for a 10 to 12 year old, which is more or less the average mentality, unfortunately, homo sapien right now. And I'd read QLA for Dummies. And if it makes sense there, then all the rest is laid out on my side for free. I mean, my book, your first hundred million is free.

[Brian Rose]

It's a good book.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, it is a good book.

[Brian Rose]

And we have.

[Dan Pena]

We have guys that have made hundreds of millions that I never met. Now many of them come back to the seminar just to say thank you. But we've got guys in prison that have made a lot of money. But one of my favorite stories, we had a minister from Bumfuck, Oklahoma, come to seminar about five, six years ago. And he was a guitar kind of minister, you know. And so he tells a story, and you could tell he's wearing his cousin's suit or, I mean, he wasn't. Clothes that were made for him. And he said that because you go around and say why I'm here, what I do, etc. And he says, I'm a Baptist minister. And you know, a couple, three years ago, my son, I was picking him up for school and he asked me, why does Billy and Johnny and Sally live in bigger houses than we have, daddy? And before I could answer, he said, I guess God doesn't pay that well. He saved for three years to come to the seminar. Lost his kids in a divorce to his wife. Okay. But he's now a big health health maggot mogul in Oklahoma. He owns 50, 60 assisted living and he's worth 20, 30, 40 million bucks. But his son said, I guess God doesn't pay that well. Well, God doesn't pay that well. So he's right about that. But you got to have a driving force if you don't have a driving force and if you're only going to try, you're going to fail. But start with QLA for Dummies and it's, don't be demeaned by the cartoon shit on the front, but I mean it's helped countless people. But you are who you hang around with. You're the average of the five people. And I said it earlier, maybe a mom, a part time dad, an older brother, a sister, maybe a grandparent and your next door neighbor. And what do they know about building high performance people? Nothing. Nothing. Some cases, you know, I told you I interviewed a Kennedy recently. He looked, I mean, fuck, I thought I was. You're a real Kennedy. Yes, sir. I can't get a job now. I felt good. It's a shitty thing to say, but I felt good about it. And he says that, you know, everybody thinks that I'm a shoo in now. Maybe 50 years ago I was a shoe in, but I'm certainly not a shoe in today. And he went to Harvard and blah blah, blah. Still he went to that prep school that they go to before they go to Harvard.

[Brian Rose]

Andover.

[Dan Pena]

Andover is it Andover?

[Brian Rose]

Only on the east coast.

[Dan Pena]

Just like you. Just like you.

[Brian Rose]

I didn't go to Andover.

[Dan Pena]

No. And, but you still got to take action. But my neighbors here in Scotland, they're on the 8th, 10th, 12th generation Etonians and they go to either Oxford or Cambridge occasionally. University of Edinburgh. They work in the city for three or four years. They want to be a director, a main board director and they go in the Black watch and then they come home and drink themselves to death. They've been doing that for 5, 600 years, since Napoleon got beat at Waterloo. Nothing's going to change. I mean, why would you change? I went to a cocktail party three or four years ago. They call them drinks parties in Scotland. Interest rates were still at 5,000 year low before they started going up. They were zero, more or less. Danny, what are you talking about? Zero interest rate? I said, yeah, they're just about zero. They give money away now and they, they didn't have a clue no idea

[Brian Rose]

what you're talking about.

[Dan Pena]

Nothing.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

They thought that I was trying to promote something.

[Brian Rose]

Doesn't affect their lives at all.

[Dan Pena]

And somebody's wife asked Sally, is your husband, has he got a new product, trying to sell something? Sally said what are you talking about? And, and then she said interest rates are 5,000 year low. What interest rate? Now the guy that runs Saudi, he's got initials, what do they call him?

[Brian Rose]

Mbs.

[Dan Pena]

Okay, MBS was sitting at a, at a meeting here recently and somebody mentioned net zero. He has two interpreters. What do they mean, net zero? There is no net zero. That is a Fig Newton of somebody's imagination. That is never going to happen. Never. And they say net zero or 30% or whatever they say for UK by 2030 or 2050. They're lying. I hope not.

[Brian Rose]

Well, I mean, I hope so.

[Dan Pena]

Well, Net zero for whom?

[Brian Rose]

It's already dragged this country down. Well, it's a front page article in the Wall Street Journal the other day talking about how the Greenscam drove electricity prices up and supply down over the last 20 years.

[Dan Pena]

I couldn't believe when I heard the first advert. Heat or eat for old people.

[Brian Rose]

Oh yeah, here a few years ago,

[Dan Pena]

it's worse than Scotland. And I said Sally. And they were showing someone would get about 75 years old. And I was maybe 77 or 78 then. And then we checked around local reverend and they said oh no, no. And Sally's checked around just recently if anybody needs in the village, needs anything. Oh no, no, no, There are people a lot worse off than Guthrie Village, you know, and he talked about Glasgow and some of the other parts in Scotland, but not, you know, heat or each. And then they show some old guy, his pension is 1200 pounds and his heating bill went from 600 to 1400. Now I'm sure maybe there's one guy, but I mean they make it sound like it's your next door neighbor. So we actually went around and checked with everybody, make sure everybody had enough money or enough heat, this and that, but advertising, I mean it is. And now it's easier to tell bullshit on the Internet. That's easier to tell bullshit, unfortunately. And the, and now the people, the last generation and a half, are more gullible when stuff like that came out when I was, I don't think I was ever gullible, but came out when I was young, I mean, and now they have fact checks. Okay. When I was first on Wall street there was two, three guys I would call if I wanted to Know. Is this the truth? No. You know, but they all taught me, especially at Bear, Follow the money. What's the big money doing? Okay. And big money is hardly ever wrong. They are wrong from time to time, but not too often. It's interesting that the guy that owned the Titanic decided not to sail on it. And the guy, Abelson, who owned twin towers, happened to not go to the office that day. The two largest insurance claims that were paid in the history of the planet. Somehow they were able to escape that tragedy.

[Brian Rose]

So watch the bunny.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. Big money hardly ever makes a mistake.

[Brian Rose]

So people can download QLA for Dummies, then go to your website. You're doing four seminars a year.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. The next one's in February.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. February. Okay. And then hardcore New Year's.

[Dan Pena]

Well, this year it's New Year's. Okay. It'll be in December. January.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. And you got a podcast coming soon.

[Dan Pena]

New January.

[Brian Rose]

You're going to interview people.

[Dan Pena]

Correct. I got this.

[Brian Rose]

I gotta watch. Yeah. Okay. That requires empathy. Dan.

[Dan Pena]

Now. Well, no, well, I mean they, they maybe I just got was screaming at somebody today. We're going to ask these people. I says no, no, you tell them they're on the podcast. I'm not asking anybody. There's only one answer to this thing. And yeah, when, when he can or she or it can make themselves available. And so. And so I like that. Yeah, I like. Ask them. Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

I like.

[Dan Pena]

I made these.

[Brian Rose]

You did?

[Dan Pena]

They owe me. They're lucky I'm not collected in cash.

[Brian Rose]

I can't wait. You're gonna shoot it in your bar where you were shooting those pod. The Godfather talks and stuff or you

[Dan Pena]

have a studio or in front of my Trillion Dollar man sign.

[Brian Rose]

Okay, I like that too.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. Stay tuned for the Vatican getting completely back to normal. And then stay tuned for the night. There's gonna be some turmoil for the British knighthood. Can I come to that, you know, and just cheer you?

[Dan Pena]

Absolutely. Yeah, Absolutely.

[Brian Rose]

The like you get a guest.

[Dan Pena]

Well, I don't know about that, but I feel very, you know, I, I, I took communion while I was at the Vatican. And So for about 10 or 12 days I felt different. And Sally says I was acting different and I was trying to watch the how many times I said and stuff like that.

[Brian Rose]

And just like when you meditated in Nepal, you have a few days, something happened.

[Dan Pena]

No, I didn't meditate. I just felt different when I left.

[Brian Rose]

Different.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Right.

[Dan Pena]

I still don't meditate.

[Brian Rose]

When I meditated at Dave Asprey's conference You felt different for a little.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, no. A third chakra. Third?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, Third size.

[Dan Pena]

Now, why don't everybody say that's such a big deal?

[Brian Rose]

It's there inside you, Dan.

[Dan Pena]

Well, I did it like in about six microseconds. Okay. I didn't do it once. I did it three times. And then I got. We went out with some friends of ours, got drunk, and. And then when we went back to their big mansion in the kitchen, and then one of the wives said, do it one more time. So I got in the other room, I did it again. And then. So. And I've got some mystics that follow me. That's not possible because I've been hearing about the third fucking chakra for 50, 60 years. And, you know, and the. The dali. Okay. And I've got some guys that are right hand people to the dolly. Right.

[Brian Rose]

You haven't met him.

[Dan Pena]

No, never. Never met him. But I have.

[Brian Rose]

You could have gone two ways, Dan. You could have gone the monk way.

[Dan Pena]

No, no.

[Brian Rose]

This guy's making a lot of money.

[Dan Pena]

I wanted to be a priest.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, yeah, I know.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. I'd be pope by now. I've already told an archbishop that. And he went. Mr. Pena, I know that sounds presumptuous, but I'm telling you what the Lord knows. Well, let's hope you're right. My prayer is with you. I have not got a no yet.

[Brian Rose]

Okay.

[Dan Pena]

From any of the high powered clergy. Not one. No.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, on the. The.

[Dan Pena]

The thing.

[Brian Rose]

On the thing.

[Dan Pena]

Okay, good.

[Brian Rose]

All right.

[Dan Pena]

Sally says, can we build in a trillion dollar salary or anything? I don't think so, Sally. I'm not doing this for the money.

[Brian Rose]

Doing this for the rep.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Okay. All right.

[Dan Pena]

Well. But there's a few people like Trump. I'd like a dam.

[Brian Rose]

A damn.

[Dan Pena]

Damn them.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, okay. Oh, damn them. Okay.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, when you're up there.

[Dan Pena]

Not everybody deserves to go to heaven. If I get to be in charge of that list, just, you know.

[Brian Rose]

Oh, who you can. Damn.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, I can go to hell.

[Brian Rose]

Maybe they'll give you that for a day if you pull it off. Not if.

[Dan Pena]

When.

[Brian Rose]

If. When. I meet people all the time and they're fans of yours, and I always tell them, go to the castle. And they get this look about them like, oh, my God, I could never go. I'm like, go, go. I don't know how much longer he's gonna be doing it.

[Dan Pena]

That's right.

[Brian Rose]

I'm scared.

[Dan Pena]

I should probably raise the price. I haven't raised the price in eight or 10 years. Yeah, somebody reminded me of that.

[Brian Rose]

Most people are just terrified to go.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, well, I mean, I gave a talk for the Scottish Business association in Glasgow three weeks ago, and the guy that organizes is a mentee of mine named Paul McFadden. And they had a special dinner that I was there, and they were supposed to come up and talk to me, but everybody was afraid to come up and talk to me. Then we had a Q and a of about 100 people. And I didn't think I was particularly harsh, but apparently I was. And I said, you know, one of the kids, I said, how old are you? And he says, 31. You've lived 31 years being this stupid? How is that possible? The question did you. Did you do any preparation? And I started going. Most people that walk the street shouldn't have been born. Like I say, they should have rolled down your fat mama's leg instead of one of those four or five hundred sperm that hit the jackpot. What good. What benefit to human race have you done? None. And you think you have rights? In Spartan time, we would have left you in the fucking ditch. In fact, I'm willing to put you in the ditch right now. But I'm not just acting. I believe that with all my heart.

[Brian Rose]

I know you do.

[Dan Pena]

How do you produce all this money out of these little cunts? It's a fucking miracle. And that's what I told Cardinals. Etc. That's why I've got no no's and they're desperate.

[Brian Rose]

Saint Pena, it's coming. Saint Dan. Saint Dan. Okay. I wish you all the luck with that.

[Dan Pena]

Thank you very much.

[Brian Rose]

I wish you luck with the.

[Dan Pena]

And I wish you luck in Dubai.

[Brian Rose]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Dan Pena]

Okay. Watch out. I know you think you're smart, Brian. Watch out, but watch out, okay? Because there's a lot. They've been. They've been cheating with camels and camel saddles and flying carpets for thousands of years, okay? Before MIT was ever invented.

[Brian Rose]

Okay? Noted, noted.

[Dan Pena]

And there's some smart guys there. And I have a smart law firm. I'm not promoting anybody, but I have a smart English law firm who's been there since the beginning, who I depend on whenever I need something to be looked at, okay? And it's a gal. The law firm is a big law firm. And the. But I mean, you got. You got to be sure. And I always say, only do business where there's a rule of law. Well, the rule of law is a little shaky in Dubai. It's not as shaky as it was 25, 30 years ago. But, I mean, you need to make sure that whatever you're doing is rock solid foundation because they'll look for any excuse, and additional fees at the closing are a norm. I gave you one for 50 grand. I gave you one for 20 million. And the 20 million was out of 100 million. So the guy that got the 80 million, he thought all his birthdays to come at once. But if your. If your term sheet in your mind had spent the whole hundred million, what do you do when you only have 80 million?

[Brian Rose]

All right, I'll watch it.

[Dan Pena]

And deals like that are commonplace. It takes a while in there for, you know, coffee and all that, which I don't. I don't relegate myself to that. You know, the. But they like meetings upon meetings upon meetings, but they have the money, so most people put up with it.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

They like to build the relationship.

[Dan Pena]

Correct.

[Brian Rose]

Relationship first, business second.

[Dan Pena]

Correct is what they do. At least that's what they say.

[Brian Rose]

That's what they say.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah.

[Brian Rose]

All right. Thank you for the motivation.

[Dan Pena]

It's my pleasure.

[Brian Rose]

And the observations.

[Dan Pena]

Give my best to your family.

[Brian Rose]

I will.

[Dan Pena]

And your daughter?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, I'm gonna see her soon. She remembers you. And maybe I'll send the boys up to the castle with me in about five years.

[Dan Pena]

Well, five years. Well, if I'm still there in five years, I'll be there the next year or two for sure. But anyway, you do it at your own pace. That's fine. And the kids. I appreciate the opportunity. And the. So when will you physically be there?

[Brian Rose]

Oh, Dubai, end of the month. I'll be there, and then I'll be there for four or five months till summer. I might start for the summer. I might come back here.

[Dan Pena]

So. Yeah, summer's the beast.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, it is. Although more people are staying now, but. Yeah. Gets a little hot, but, yeah, it's getting bigger and bigger. Everyone's moving there. Everyone's moving from here there for a lot of reasons.

[Dan Pena]

You know where you're gonna have your office?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, I think I got an idea. We had a studio there last year, so we had a whole set up there. So, yeah. Yeah. Next time you and Sally are in town, drop by.

[Dan Pena]

Okay.

[Brian Rose]

Well,

[Dan Pena]

they have asked me countless times to do stuff there, but I won't do it there. Saudi's asked me. You got to come to the castle because people winding up like Khashoggi chopped up in embassies is for real. It's not just, you know, a James Bond movie.

[Brian Rose]

So you don't want to get chopped up.

[Dan Pena]

No, I'm not going to give them the chance to get chopped up. Okay, okay. But they've asked me many times. The only ones that I would take exception, that I would do it is the Kuwaitis, the Al Sabads, who I was in business with for 10 years. And I know their family well and I know the guys. And the grandson that was with me 40 years ago is now the head guy because his father and grandfather passed away. So I have more confidence than when he tells me something that's actually done. And remember, there's a gazillion princes there. Omir's, there's a gazillion of them and there's only a handful that actually that title carries any weight. And so make sure you do your homework and make sure you're dealing with somebody that can actually, that promises you something, that can actually fulfill it. Because unfulfilled expectations are rampant in that part of the world.

[Brian Rose]

So maybe a one day seminar in Dubai for you.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, no, no.

[Brian Rose]

Your London one was a huge hit. Your London one was a huge hit.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, that was my retirement, which I didn't wind up retiring, that's five years ago.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah.

[Dan Pena]

And the, it was, it was a big hit. But you can count on two hands of the thousand people in the room, then made it happen for themselves. Really two. So it's actually seven. Seven guys. Okay. And one's a father and son. So that's six entities.

[Brian Rose]

And the rest, it was just a blip.

[Dan Pena]

No, no, it's something to check.

[Brian Rose]

So they have to come to the castle. You gotta lay hands on them.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah, yeah, but I mean the, the six that, you know, made quite a bit of money. But see the expectations, if you think a lot of money's 20 million, your body starts to run out at 16 million, 17 million, 18 then you barely fall over the, you know, the goal line at 20 million. If your expectation is 500 million or a larger number, you know, your body internalizes that. You know, it's like the difference between a two round fight and a five round fight. Okay. And so you know, and you internalize that. And most people are ready for like a one round fight. And when it's a long time, it's a long time. But I mean your ironman and the boxing, etcetera, it all boded well for you. And so that's good, that's good. And so whether you need any more fights or not, you'll decide.

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, but I need more challenges and more risks.

[Dan Pena]

Yeah. And with that comes money. Are we winding up Right?

[Brian Rose]

Yeah, we're done. Thank you.

[Dan Pena]

You're very welcome.

[Brian Rose]

All right.

[Dan Pena]

My pleasure.

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