Audrey Hobert

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Long Winded with Gabby Windey"

Episode: Audrey Hobert
Date: November 13, 2025
Host: Gabby Windey
Guest: Audrey Hobert

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Episode Overview

This episode features a lively, candid, and thoughtful conversation between host Gabby Windey and indie musician-songwriter Audrey Hobert. The duo dives deep into the realities of creativity, the messiness of the entertainment industry, modern relationships, sexuality, mental health, and, of course, a healthy smattering of pop culture hot takes. Gabby’s humor and openness pair perfectly with Audrey’s reflective and grounded style, resulting in a refreshingly honest dialogue about art, identity, discipline, and living a full life.

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Major Discussion Topics & Key Moments

1. Life Rhythms, Productivity, and Mental Health

[03:01 – 06:17]

• Both Gabby and Audrey talk about the unpredictable rhythms of creative industries.
• Gabby admits to feeling overwhelmed at times and needing structure:
  "I feel like the industry—it comes in waves. For two weeks I’m not doing anything, and then next week I’m so busy I wanna kill myself." (Gabby, 04:06)
• They agree being busy keeps their minds occupied and less anxious.

2. Astrology & Identity

[04:54 – 05:55]

• Gabby quizzes Audrey about her zodiac sign; Audrey is a Pisces and describes it as "sensitive and daydreamy."
• Lighthearted banter about astrology and the supposed genius of Gemini women.

3. The Creative Process & Writing Songs

[12:26 – 15:12]

• Gabby expresses admiration for Audrey’s songwriting, likening it to poetry.
• Audrey, self-effacing, says her writing is “direct” rather than “poetic.”
  "My hope would be [to] distill a large thought down to one line that sticks with you… hopefully that’s every line of the song." (Audrey, 13:00)
• Discussion on the pressure of following up a successful first album.

4. Balancing Work and Inspiration

[17:11 – 19:35]

• Gabby vents about the challenges of writing a book of essays, struggling with deadlines, and the slow process of seeing essays come to fruition.
• Audrey relates, saying, "Having this fear is going to take you out of your life… you’re going to be always worrying, ‘is this enough to inspire me?’” (Audrey, 18:27)

5. Mining Personal Life for Art

[19:44 – 22:04]

• Audrey openly shares how she writes autobiographical songs, sometimes drawing from past breakups and crushes.
• Gabby reflects on Joan Didion’s quote: “As a writer, you have to sell people out.”
• Songs about relationships are discussed candidly (e.g., "Sue Me" and "Wet Hair" about an ex).

6. Sex, Dating, and Sexuality

[22:45 – 29:03]

• The pair get personal and hilarious about modern dating, men’s “headboard” habits, and the transition into sleeping with women.
• Gabby:
  "Men are just like big animals. No offense. It really feels like the wild. There’s like, grunts and noises." (Gabby, 27:19)
• Both share their preference for authenticity—valuing involuntary over performative reactions in intimacy.

7. Weed, Creativity & Routines

[11:00 – 31:23]

• They trade stories on weed routines. Audrey prefers daytime weed for creative walks; Gabby describes a nightly routine.
• The pair bond over “wake and bake” walks, creative stretches, and the challenges of socializing when high.

8. Pop Culture Deep Dives

[06:53 – 09:18], [33:02 – 36:11], [43:16 – 46:47]

• A tangent about Jane Mansfield, Marilyn Monroe, and Mariska Hargitay.
• Audiences learn about Gabby’s fascination with "Real Housewives", Jen Shah’s arrest, and the bizarre crossovers of reality TV crime and scams.
• Both marvel at the collaborative potential of infamous women like Jen Shah and Elizabeth Holmes:
  "If they wrote a book together… paragraph for paragraph, a novel? I’d buy it.” (Audrey, 34:28)

9. Age, LA Culture & Aspirations

[32:51 – 35:43]

• Gabby and Audrey reflect on the pressures of aging in LA.
• They note how women in other cities carry themselves versus LA’s "effed-up" standards:
  "Go to any other place and I see women whose shoulders are back because they’re not in LA." (Audrey, 33:13)
• Gabby finds Real Housewives of New York inspiring for aging unapologetically.

10. Social Media, Dopamine & Discipline

[52:18 – 54:41]

• Both discuss the overwhelming nature of social media—how doomscrolling affects their mood and creativity.
• Audrey uses lock boxes to limit phone use; Gabby relates to the dopamine chase.
• Insight into balancing authenticity and strategy on platforms like TikTok and Instagram.

11. Family, Relationships & Chosen Family

[62:07 – 64:13]

• Gabby discusses marrying into a large, loving Orthodox Jewish family and the joys and challenges that come with it.
• Audrey describes her role as the eldest of four, how family shaped her, and longing for togetherness on holidays.

12. Artistic Identity & The Role of an “Artist”

[47:41 – 48:44]

• Audrey mentions Miley Cyrus’ reflection:
  "I’m not an artist. I’m in a deal… this is a job. One day I’ll get to be an artist." (Audrey paraphrasing Miley, 48:09)
• Discussion about the pressure to produce, and the elusive feelings of artistic fulfillment.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Productivity:
  "Sometimes, like, it… comes in waves. …The next week you’re so busy you wanna kill yourself."
  — Gabby, [04:13]

• On Songwriting:
  "It is like poetry… but I always felt my writing was just direct."
  — Audrey, [13:00]

• On Creativity and Fear:
  "Having this fear is going to take you out of your life. …I don’t want to be someone who wrecks my own life so that I have something to write.”
  — Audrey, [18:27]

• On Dating Men:
  "Men are just like big animals. No offense. It really feels like the wild. …Now I’m sleeping with a woman anyway. And she can moan like one."
  — Gabby, [27:19]

• On Social Media Addiction:
  "It’s an addiction. …That giant orange bar, I’m like, 'whoa, whoa' for like two seconds."
  — Audrey, [53:04]

• On Being an Artist (paraphrasing Miley Cyrus):
  "I can’t consider myself an artist. …I’m in a deal. This is a job. One day I’ll get to be an artist."
  — Audrey, [48:09]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:01] — Discussion of feeling overwhelmed in creative work
• [04:54] — Astrology, identity, and discipline
• [12:26] — Gabby asks about Audrey’s songwriting process
• [17:11] — Struggles of writing, deadlines, and creative blocks
• [19:44] — Putting real relationships into art
• [22:45] — Sex, headboards, and the joys of dating women
• [27:19] — Gabby’s “men as animals” riff
• [31:23] — Experiences with weed and creativity
• [33:13] — Reflections on aging in LA and elsewhere
• [34:28] — Jen Shah and Elizabeth Holmes potential book
• [47:41] — Reflections on artistic identity (Miley Cyrus quote)
• [52:18] — Social media overwhelm and boundaries
• [62:07] — Gabby on marrying into a big family; family dynamics
• [64:13] — Audrey on being the eldest sibling and family ties

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The Tone & Vibe

The episode is casual, authentic, and peppered with humor—raw but also deeply thoughtful. Both Gabby and Audrey are unafraid to discuss moments of self-doubt, anxiety, and the push-pull between ambition and peace. The conversation moves smoothly from lighthearted pop culture references to honest disclosures about mental health and the creative grind. Their easy chemistry and quick wit make for a genuinely engaging listen for fans of creative process, queer culture, and the realities of life in the public eye.

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Closing Notes

This episode stands out for its vulnerability, insight, and celebration of honest creativity. Both the host and guest offer refreshingly unfiltered perspectives on what it means to make art, live authentically, and find meaning in the messiness of it all.

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Audrey Hobert social links:

• Instagram: [Audrey Hobert]
• TikTok: Mike Monster
• Twitter: Mike Monster1
• Substack: Mike Monster
• YouTube: Audrey Hobert

[Timestamps provided in MM:SS format. Content trimmed for brevity and focus on key conversational sections.]

Transcript

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How do you not look like you're sweating?

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That's normally on, but we're out of summer months. Yeah, I should. I love the swamp cooler.

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What's a swamp cooler?

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You put in. I was like, because it gets so hot in here in the summer. So I was redditing naturally. Our last source of, like, uncensored information.

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Of course.

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Yeah. We were like, don't do like a portable ac. Get a swamp cooler. Oh, so you just put water in there and then it goes and goes and goes. Oh, right.

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It's cheaper.

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Yeah.

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And like, involved doesn't involve needing a window, like, for a unit. Yeah, right.

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Because I'm like, how can I do that with the garage?

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Also great name Swamp cooler.

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Swamp cooler.

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That's how it feels when it's that Hot, right?

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Yeah. You gotta cool the swamp.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's like. What's the most derogatory word you could use that's hot in here? Swamp, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a swamp.

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It's not just. Yeah.

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How are you? Wait. I feel like you, like, moved mountains to, like, be here. I'm like, me.

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No, Gabby, No.

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They were like, you're going to be out of town. I'm like, like, no.

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But I got back into town and I, you know, it doesn't feel like moving mountains.

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Okay. Yeah, no, that was.

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No.

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Could be drama.

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I know.

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Cool.

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Also, like, nothing feels like moving mountains yet. I feel like I'm wondering if or when I will get to that point where I'm like, everyone stop.

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You're going to get there. I'm surprised you're not there.

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Oh, my gosh. Well, do you feel there?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Really?

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I was born here.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But what? Like. Like, you have too much going on.

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Yeah. No, like.

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But that's what you mean by, like, everybody stops.

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Yeah. Yeah. I feel like moving mountains. Meaning, like, if I were. If I were to be like, it is going to be too much, like, you know, that would probably imply being so busy and so work to the bone. I'm like, I don't feel it to the bone, but sometimes, like, it. It's dark or just like, recently. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah. Like, do you ever go through that? Yeah.

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Yeah. And it comes in waves. I feel like the industry. Like, even for two weeks, you're like, I'm not doing anything. And then the next week you're so busy.

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Yeah.

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Kill yourself.

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I know, but don't you. Don't you prefer to be busy? You probably do. Yeah.

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Because there's too much going on in my mind. Like, I make, like, I, I. Which I am lazy. I love to lay in bed and just put you in the house.

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Yeah.

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Like, I'm less anxious if I have to do.

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Do. Yeah, exactly. And, like, I feel like I can only really do the, like, putzing around the house in a way that feels true. If I know I have somewhere to be at 12 or something. Like.

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Yeah.

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If the days where I. It's kind of like when I think about, like, writing a song or something. If I have, like, a whole day, like, it always helps to have a plan.

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Yeah.

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In the middle or the end. So I can. I'm like, I'm gonna work until that, and then when I get back, I will naturally want to, like, go work on it again.

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Yeah. Oh, that's smart.

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Yeah.

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What's your sign? I've been wondering.

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Pisces. Whoa. Yeah. What are you.

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I wouldn't have guessed.

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Really? What would you have guessed?

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Maybe a Gemini. Do you have any chart? No. Well, Gemini women are, like, geniuses.

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Oh, wow.

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Yes.

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Who are the Gemini women that you think of?

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My wife's mom.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're like, yeah, those are the real genius. No, I mean, I. But if. If that's who come. Like, of course she is. Then.

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Yeah. And she's like. She's just so smart. She's so well read, cultured. Her, like, recall is insane. Something I don't have because I'm too much of a pothead. So when I see it, I'm like, genius.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's the best feeling. Those are the people that inspire me most. Like, literally my girlfriends or wife.

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Why?

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Why?

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Wifed up.

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Wow.

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I know. I can't imagine, but, like, wait. You're so disciplined. Does that come with the Pisces?

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I don't know. I. I don't know too much about astrology. I love when people tell me.

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Okay.

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I. I love when people tell me.

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Yeah.

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Like.

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But I act like it. I'm a big, like, faker.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, I know we're sensitive. I know we're daydreamers, which I really. Yeah, that's why, like, that's me. At every point of the day, I'm, like, daydreaming. But honestly, when I'm not like that, I'm like, I feel upset.

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Right.

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Like, I was. I. I didn't feel like that in Atlanta, Georgia, yesterday.

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No, I bet you didn't.

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No.

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What were you thinking about instead?

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I was down in the dumps, in a way. Yes.

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Really?

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Yeah. It felt like the last two days. I mean, honestly, I guess I'll just launch in. Yeah. No, no. It felt like the last two days, I just. Yeah. I was, like, in a dark, mental place. But then the second I was flying, I sat next to the plane yesterday on this. On the plane yesterday with this girl who I was like, oh, my God. Like, she, like, walked on the plane and I, like, noticed her, and then she sat next to me. I was like, oh, my gosh. And then we had the same exact plane ride where we both watched movies, and she watched the one about Jane Mansfield, and she was literally, like, wiping tears. I was like, awesome.

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Yes.

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And then.

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I love that document.

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Okay. I haven't seen it.

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Oh, you gotta watch it.

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Really? Yeah.

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It's so iconic.

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Okay.

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And I love to root for an underdog.

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Well, yeah.

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Yeah.

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What's her story?

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She.

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Or like she. I thought she was Marilyn Monroe when I was looking.

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Right.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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That's the underdog to me.

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Yeah.

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Like, I forget the whole documentary except that she's really hot and she died early of what I forget. But yeah, I feel like she came about the same time as Marilyn Monroe, but she wasn't getting the same parts.

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I wonder why.

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I know. I feel like cuz you can't compete with Marilyn Monroe.

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I know.

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Read on the fly swatter. We love to see it.

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Yeah. Hit.

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That isn't the one who got decapitated in the car.

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Did.

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Yes, that was it. Yes.

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She was scalped. Yeah.

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Yeah. And her and the driver were the only ones me forgetting. Tragic. It's like akin to Princess Diana.

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No. Cuz there kept being shots of Marisa Har literally looking at photos and like crying and I was like, what's. What's this about?

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Right?

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I know. Nothing. No.

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And I didn't know that Jane Mansfield was Mariska's mom.

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Yes.

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I feel like she kept it a secret for a while.

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Well, I mean, also, I. Then I got to thinking about Mariska.

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Right.

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And I was like, I really. She is like. She's amazing on svu, which I love. I love svu if that's. I remember discovering it in high school and like watching it after school immediately when I got home because I was like, I just need. I don't know. There's something I got to decompress with this crying. Yeah. I just was always like, he did what? But like Marisa. I feel like she hasn't. She's so known for svu. I wonder if it's hard for her to get other roles.

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Right.

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Because she's Olivia. No, Olivia Bent. Olivia Benson.

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Who's that?

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Wait. Or is. Or is that. Wait.

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Or is that Olivia Rodrigo?

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She. Olivia Rodrigo? Yeah.

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She's a pop star.

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Yeah. Yeah. But I was just thinking about her. But I watched this episode of Curb that was so funny.

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Oh, really? Was it about that?

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No, I just was like, we're having like the same exact parallel, like experience on this plane with, okay, this girl. Like she started watching I Love Lucy.

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Literally hitting that fell off your seat. Which I appreciate.

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Yeah. But all that to say I'm just happy to be home.

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Yes. Circle back. Yeah.

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Yes.

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Do you like, like to travel or. It was like, kinda, but I also like to be home.

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Like, I never traveled outside of the country before this year.

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I watched your Switzerland oh, wait, was it. What was it Amsterdam?

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Oh, yeah. Amsterdam. Yes.

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Yes. Yeah.

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You watched that? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I hadn't been outside of the US and it's just because my parents never took us because they were like, if we take you to Paris and you're a kid, you're not gonna remember it. Yeah. And then at a certain point, I was like, I'm 16. Like, I'll remember. Yeah. But we just never went. And then. Yeah. So it's been interesting. But it's all for work, which I'm just. Is so cool. And I had a feeling like when I hit maybe 18 or something or maybe. Probably actually 21, I was like, okay, still haven't been out of the country. I don't like, really see myself doing it on my own volition. I feel like at this point, if I'm going, someone else is paying for me to go there. Totally. And then it happened that way. And it's like an interesting way to see the world actually, because you're so tired, but you're also. Yeah.

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The jet lag.

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Yeah.

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So real. Especially when you're there for work.

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Yeah.

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This isn't a vacay. You have to like flip and go.

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Yeah, yeah. And. And. But then there's this guilt when you sit in the hotel, even though you're like, I should be resting. This is awesome. I'm at the Soho House Hotel in Amsterdam. Like, I kind of don't want to leave this room. Yeah. But then you're like, that whole world is out there and. Right. I should probably go.

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Yeah. But I think also traveling for the hotel room is good. Yes.

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Yes. No, literally. No, literally.

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You know, to like enjoy the room. Get room service.

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Oh, yeah.

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I went and I loved it.

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Yeah.

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I saw these four walls.

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Yes. I saw these four walls. I got ceviche, right? Yeah.

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And I'm good.

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Yeah. It is true.

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Did you get any drugs in Amsterdam?

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No, but there were. I did a meet and greet there and. And someone was like, I have the wheat hookup for you. And I was almost like, okay. But then I thought, I mean, I love weed, right? Do you love. Yeah. Really?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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What is your. What is your routine with it or like, how do you enjoy it best?

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Totally. Cuz I was also listening to you on Jake Shane and he was like, I stopped. I can't. But I started later. I'm like, me already trying to defend myself. Like, I can't stop.

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Yeah. Can't stop.

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But I do it, like, it kind of depends. Like, I go through phases, but Right now, Nightly.

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Oh.

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Yeah. Like, so you're in a dark place.

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No, that was me. That was me always. But I've. I've learned recently that at night it keeps me up. Like, I get wired and I start thinking.

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Yes.

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And. Yeah. So I actually prefer like during the day.

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Day high.

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Yes.

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Awaken bait.

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Yes. I like to make like a one hit. Go on a two hour long walk. Yeah. Literally see my birth to now and then like arrive back and I'm like, I learned. That was amazing. Yeah. And it's still light out and I'm sober now. Like, what should I do for dinner? That's my favorite.

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I gotta try that.

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Yes. Or a workout class. Do you.

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I've never done that. People recommend it all the time. I'm like. But I feel like I wouldn't be able to, like, tell my body what to do.

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It is kind of scary in that way. It is, it is.

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But I liked, like, stretch. Yeah. Once I did and I liked it.

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That actually sounds wonderful. But do you like, roll out a mat in your house?

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No, just on the carpet.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Just try and do the splits like I did 100 years ago. Like, it's not muscle.

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Yeah, it is. It. It is not muscle memory in the way that other things are. So were you dance? Were you a dancer?

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Yes.

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Okay, me too.

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I know.

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And you do.

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I mean, wait. But I do want to circle back to kind of like your writing process. You're so disciplined. And then. So, like, what is it? I'm like, how I can, whatever, write my thoughts down. I can make a sentence. But I feel like songwriting is like poetry.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's like you have to be concise. Did you. Was. How did you, like, flip or was it always natural?

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It is true. It is like poetry. Which is funny because I remember reading poetry in high school and not connecting with something about it. I was just like, this isn't. I used to tell people I didn't like poetry, which is.

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I tell people that all the time.

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Yeah.

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Like, you just don't know how to read it, you idiot.

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Yeah, well, it's. It's kind of true. And I think, like, I think the conciseness of my writing, I don't. I don't really feel like my writing is poetic. I feel like it's direct. And I'm just saying, I think, like, it's distilling. Maybe a large thought down to like one. My hope would be down to like one line that sticks with you and hopefully that's every line of the song. But like totally.

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Yeah, it is. How do you do that? Do you have a natural gift? You're like, kinda.

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Imagine if I was like kind of. Next question.

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Yeah.

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I feel. Feel that's very. Not like. Yeah, yeah.

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All sign. Like all songwriters.

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Yeah.

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Like you have to do that.

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It's. Everyone's so different. I think like. Yeah. When I think about movies and tv, it's so much less subjective to me than songwriting. I feel like many kinds of writing can be so good.

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Yeah.

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But I. I mean. And also like I've written basically 12 songs.

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Yeah.

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And like by my like.

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That's it. That's it.

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Yeah. So who knows? I'm so curious about the future and like. Because it's been. I finished writing in a. In December of last year, so it's been almost a year.

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How long did it take you?

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It took me eight months. I wrote it really fast.

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Yeah.

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But I don't know. It's. I'm in an interesting place where you. You get so caught up in the other parts of the job. And also for me, I beat myself up a lot about. Because I haven't consistently written in that way since I finished writing it. Which is sometimes normal and sometimes people get right back to it. Just I think depends on what kind of a writer you are. But because that was my first time, I'm like. I'm definitely dealing with the. Oh, I'm. I'm so almost. I'm not ready to. It felt like it flowed out of me so well that first time. And you just never know what it's going to be like the second time.

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Right? Yeah. Because your first one was. I mean, you know, this is so good.

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Oh, thank you.

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No, really. And like cuz I feel like with people's first albums, I'm not a critic. I'm just talking like you'll get maybe like one or two bangers and they kind of sound different but like you're like locked and loaded in your sound. I feel like, you know, you are and your storytelling. Like those are my favorite songs. Kind of like people like country. I feel like for that way.

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Yes.

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But I don't love country music. So then hearing it from you, I'm like, whoa. Like I want to be. I want to know what's coming next. And like.

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Yeah.

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And like the whole thing.

[B]

Thank you. Oh yeah. Yeah. I. I just had so much fun. I really had so much fun. And I love stories. I just think there's nothing more powerful than a story I like truly. I think it's more powerful than Money and, like, oh, wow. Fame.

[A]

Yeah. Hot take. Not me, you know?

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Nobody get the wrong idea.

[B]

Yeah. No. You are a storyteller. You can't do this without being a storyteller. Yeah. Especially the amount that you do by yourself. Like, you. You so are. And that's what's GR about you. And also your vocabulary. I just want to say.

[A]

Oh, my God, thank you.

[B]

Like, where do you get that?

[A]

I like to read.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Do you like to read?

[B]

I do like to read, but probably not as much as maybe people think I like to read.

[A]

Right. Because you're such a good writer.

[B]

I thank you. Yes. Yeah. Thank you again. But. Oh, my gosh, you like to read.

[A]

Yeah, I do. And I like vocabulary.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, in general, I'm writing a book of essays and.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For how long?

[A]

My editor.

[B]

No, it's the hardest thing.

[A]

It's so hard. And it's hard to, like, sit, especially since you don't see anything come to fruition right away. Like, I'll jot down my thoughts for the podcast, like, every week, and it's fine because it has to be right there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But whatever. With this deal, I'm like, why can't we push it back?

[B]

Holy crap.

[A]

Like, why would we sign this knowing that I gotta push it back? And they're like, whatever.

[B]

Like, they're probably allowed to.

[A]

I think so. I think a little bit. Don't worry, I'm not planning to, too.

[B]

Yeah. But, like, it's all.

[A]

But it's. It. It takes so long.

[B]

Because I can't imagine. You probably, like, you. You sign a book deal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then they give you X amount of months. Right. Probably.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then you're like, okay, so it's 12 months maybe. Like, yeah. Yeah. Something like, I don't want to. I mean, if you don't want to share. But, like, like, something like 12 months. I would not start until month eight. Right. Like, I. I just would not. I need a big push or, like, a deadline. But that long of a deadline, I can't imagine.

[A]

No, no. It's hard to be like, this is actually fruition when. And then, like, I wrote the proposal a long time ago, so now I feel like I'm different. But, yeah, kind of. So I wrote one essay because now they're on my ass. I'm like, okay, I think I can do this. But in this one story, just, like, I've told it so many times, so same. It was so easy to write. Not so easy. You get to the big climax.

[B]

I'm like, yeah, Here you go. Yes. Right.

[A]

I'm like, oh, my God, I can't mess this up. But. But the other stories, I'm like, what if it's not as easy?

[B]

Yeah, like, no, that. That is the fear. And it's also, like. It's weird because I've been able to pull myself out of the feeling weirdly, because I know that it's. Everyone goes through it and also that it. It doesn't change the reality of, like, anything actually.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Feeling like, I. I don't think I'm gonna be able to do this, or I am scared it's not gonna be as good or, you know, whatever. And I am able, weirdly, sometimes to go, yes, you will. Like, yes, you will. And having this fear is going to take you out of your life. And instead of you being present and being like, naturally, let something inspire you to go. Right. You're gonna be always worrying, like, is this gonna. Is this enough to inspire me? That's like, at least what I have. I'm like, I don't wanna be someone who wrecks my own life so that I have something to. Right. You know? Yeah. Which, like, who's to say if anyone is that person? Maybe people just are more wild in nature than I am. I'm. I'm actually. I feel pretty tame. And I remember reading something about, like, Lena Dunham in Girls who. She was like, all of those wild stories that are in girls. Like, 80% never happened to me. Like, I would write. I wrote what my. I wanted my 20s to be or could have been had I not been working so much.

[A]

Working.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. I listened to a podcast where she was talking about it, and she was like, everything I was writing about, I, like, wasn't living and I didn't have a chance to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because she was working.

[B]

I know. Which is so funny. And I. I can write from that place. Like. Yeah. I wrote two songs about the. My boyfriend who I'd freshly broken up with. And I wrote three songs about a guy who had a crush on. And then everything else.

[A]

What were those songs and what are their names?

[B]

Sue me and Wet Hair about my ex. No. I mean. Oh, imagine. No, that guy's been through enough. Literally.

[A]

Like, really? Do you feel bad for him?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, he. He didn't know me.

[A]

He lost the best thing ever.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Or you ran away.

[B]

I. It's.

[A]

I support. Well, yeah.

[B]

He was actually such a good boyfriend, but it just was time in my, like, for me, and he, you know, didn't know me when I was Writing songs at all. Like, he. We were together before I was. Yeah. And then drop of the hat, we're broken up and I'm going to be a singer and write songs about. You gotta be traumatizing, you know, like. Yeah, I don't know. Or. And flattering at the same time. Maybe. But ultimately I. I just feel it. But. And, And I've also, like, not like I'm going on, you know, Wendy Williams or like these. Is she still on the air?

[A]

Wendy?

[B]

Yeah, literally.

[A]

No. Yeah.

[B]

No, but like, not. It's. It's not like I'm. You know, he might not have heard anything I've ever said about him on a podcast or a radio show.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But maybe he has. And that's probably so strange. But then. Yeah. Then there was my crush.

[A]

And then that's what Joan Didion says, which is like, kind of. That she's like, as a writer, you have to sell people out.

[B]

Yes, well. And it's more interesting than a more PR answer, I guess. I mean, like, I just. If you're interested in someone who wrote a song that you like and then you see there's an interview, if they give an answer, that's like a non answer, I guess.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I get people who are like really, really, really famous.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, who don't feel like putting anyone on blast and people already speculate who the song is about. But for me, I'm like, I'm just trying to get people's attention.

[A]

Right. Listen.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm have. I am also. I'm hoping I'm doing it respectful enough way where I'm not like.

[A]

No, yeah. No, but I feel like you talk about him pretty. Pretty, like, not bad. No, he was wonderful. Right. You're like, really respectful and you still, like, when you do talk about him, it's not like filled with disdain.

[B]

No.

[A]

Couldn't be me.

[B]

No. But. But kind of like that's the. That's the demon inside me. That's like, what if someone did fill you with disdain?

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then what? Then, you know.

[A]

Well, then they. Their own thing up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't make me feel like this. I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah, well, yeah. And exactly. And also I just am like, what would that. What would that writing feel like? And then.

[A]

So good.

[B]

Imagine being angry and being in a setting like this and someone being like, so tell me about your ex. Like, okay, I'll fucking tell you.

[A]

Right. Like, forget where I am.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I just wonder.

[A]

But okay, so the ex's songs were.

[B]

Sue Me and Wet Hair.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The Crush songs were Drive, Thirst, Trap, and Shooting Star.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. All so good. Well, what was Sex in the City about?

[B]

Sex and the City was about was one of the ones I wrote, kind of like fiction, where actually I did kind of have a underwhelming night.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The night before I started it. But it. Yeah, it. No, it. It did inspire lines. It did inspire lines, but, like, it kind of happened. But I was mostly just wanting to. I don't know where that song came from. That was, like, the first song that I wrote where I was like, I'm really into this. I really like doing this. Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. That makes sense.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And just maybe point. That song. Is it just like. And you probably heard this. I feel like everyone's been there, you know, when dating, it explains, like, very accurately. And the storytelling is so funny. I love when a song makes me laugh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, because I want to, like, sing and laugh, but the way two favorite things. But it's like, yeah, like, do I. This guy if he forgot my Hot Pocket.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Literally, you know, it's like, yes, I will. Right?

[B]

Yeah, like, literally, like, I had not at that time when I wrote that song experience, like, actually, like, I had gotten up to the part of the night where it's like, are we going to sleep together? And then it didn't happen. And so I. That song, to me, was like, this is. We did sleep together, and here's what happened. But we didn't actually. Thank you. But.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, you know what? Like, we know what it's like.

[B]

Yes. No, And. And it's. We know what it's like. It's like, first of all, the movies and the tv, and then also, it's not hard to imagine. And I. I. I mean, I. I want to say kind of off. I don't. I don't know if I want this.

[A]

I'm still, like, in the headboard thing of it all, where he doesn't have.

[B]

A headboard, but so many, like, beautiful women also don't. You know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like. Like, yeah. So I. The headboard thing, I'm kind of like. That felt like sometimes, even when. When he has a headboard, he's work.

[A]

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[B]

But it is though, right?

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It like, depends on what position I'm in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If my head. Like, I would prefer a tuft.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're gonna get so crazy. Like maybe a little cushion.

[B]

Do you like, when. When did you like, stop sleeping with men?

[A]

I guess, like after the last guy I dated from the Bachelor. So it's been. I don't Even know, almost 20, 22. Almost three years.

[B]

Yeah. And you obviously, like, don't miss it.

[A]

No, no, I don't. They're just like big animals. No offense. Like, really feels like the wild. There's like grunts and noises. And then when they choose to not make a grunt or like a manly noise, you're like, is this a woman?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So now I'm sleeping with a woman anyway. And she can moan like one.

[B]

That's okay.

[A]

I don't want to hear your gorilla ass.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

In a high pitched moan.

[B]

It is kind of. It's. It makes me feel like. It brings me to this feeling of like, it's not because it's so involuntary, the moan.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Unless it's not, which is worse. What? Like, that's my least favorite. Right. Just when I'm like, when you are saying exactly what you think you should be saying. Yeah. And I'm like, right. My God, it's horrible. I'd rather you make the worst involuntary noise I've ever heard.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because at least I know you're true.

[A]

I agree. Is it just like, they, like, think it's working?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm trying to think of a bad line, but it's been so long. But it's like that. Just. How many girls have you tried this on?

[B]

Yeah. Literally. Literally.

[A]

It's not working on me.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's not working on me. I also, like, feel like I don't get hit on much.

[A]

Like, I mean, it's la.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I feel like dudes just, like, they're. That's what I feel. Oh, that also. Is it a pizza pocket?

[B]

Pizza pocket.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Hot pocket.

[A]

Pizza pocket. Pizza pockets.

[B]

Better.

[A]

But when you're like, he's bipolar and office bed.

[B]

He's.

[A]

But that's so la.

[B]

I didn't say he's bipolar, but.

[A]

Oh, he's an artist.

[B]

Yeah. He's office. Yeah.

[A]

I just assume they're bipolar because they. They're always off their med.

[B]

Yeah. Bipolar or multiple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Redacted bipolar. But no, that's so true for la.

[B]

Yes. Do you go out much?

[A]

Not if I don't have to.

[B]

Okay. I have to, like, for work. Yeah.

[A]

Or if, like, I get sucked into a night out, I'm like, okay, I guess I have to leave the house.

[B]

Do you go anywhere around here?

[A]

Like, out?

[B]

Yeah, I go.

[A]

Do you wear headphones?

[B]

It depends. Sometimes I, like, will rip them out and I'm like, I need to be present. Yeah. Yeah. But I do wear. I wear headphones. I just also am afraid of being sunburnt, so. Yeah. So I wear a hat. Me too. And I have glasses because it's sunny out and I'm like, yeah. And I'm just literally walking, guys. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah.

[A]

Then what do you think? Like, how do you. Because I'm like, The only time I'm really inspired because I want to try this is when I get high.

[B]

Do. I'm telling. I'm just so curious.

[A]

And then go to the park.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Yes. Or yeah. Do you like on the grass or do you walk?

[A]

Yeah, both.

[B]

Yeah, it's. I would highly suggest it. It's the most amazing. I. It's, I think, a part of when I'm not here. It's what I miss the most. But also someday I like to, like, take breaks from weed.

[A]

I need to Totally. No, same.

[B]

You do the same. I also dig, but getting high at night, it's like, that's like just being alive at night.

[A]

I've learned to like, not do it in social situations because it's like I am not a person.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How do you get.

[A]

I get so weird and introverted and I second guess everything I'm saying. It's like an awkward laugh after. I'm like, who is this person?

[B]

Yeah, you're like. You say something and you're like, right, sorry, I'm hot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But now, so like in order to save myself, I had to stop doing that. But sometimes I do. Like, if I'm really busy with work, then it's easy because then I'll like sleep when I'm, you know, because I'm tired.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But if I have nothing going on, I'm like, when's 5pm So I can get high. Yeah.

[B]

At least you wait till 5pm that's amazing. See, I like wake up and I'm like, it's now.

[A]

Right now.

[B]

But it's always like one hit. I don't want to seem.

[A]

No saying, yeah. I'm like a one or two hitter.

[B]

Yeah. Because if I do any more, then I actually, like, I go so far down.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And I can't look in the mirror. It's awful. But I also will get quiet if I. I love to do it socially, but. But I also get the same way. And I don't know, I'm like, I just go inward and I'm literally just at the concert or something and everyone who's having fun, I have to stand completely still.

[A]

Yeah. Like to shall pass.

[B]

Yeah. Like I. I did concert recently and I was literally like, I felt. I felt like a bummer. But I was honestly enjoying myself.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What concert was it?

[B]

Mj?

[A]

Michael Jackson.

[B]

No.

[A]

He's dead.

[B]

Imagine. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Do you remember where you were when he died?

[A]

No. You don't? Maybe.

[B]

What about.

[A]

Okay, I know what he died from, obviously. Because I think I was a nurse at the time. He died from propofol, which is a crazy ass drug, isn't it?

[B]

Helps you sleep, right?

[A]

It helps. Yeah. When you're getting a colonoscopy. It's not like. It's not anything innocent that.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

And I think this could have been alive. I think I read somewhere that he. His doctor was giving it to him in pills. I've never seen a pill form. So to me, spreading lies and rumors. Whatever. He's dead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whatever rip. He had to have had it in his veins, like inject. But the reason I know is because I was a nurse and that's what we use to sedate our patients and, like put a breathing tube in. And one time a doctor was, if you're an alcoholic, you have a super high pain, like tolerance to everything. And she was not going to sleep and we were giving her so much propofol and he was like, if Michael Jackson had the tolerance that you did, he'd still be alive. And then she was like, holy f. I know. It's serious.

[B]

You have lived, first of all, you've lived a million lives. Yeah. How old are you?

[A]

I have to. 30.

[B]

30. That's young.

[A]

Yeah, pretty much.

[B]

And so is 37.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I think you're old. Starting at 85. Yeah. Honestly? Yeah.

[A]

I think it's like how you carry yourself in your spirit.

[B]

Yeah. And it's also this town, this effed up town, that makes us feel like we're old.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I mean, I'm like. It's crazy. I go to any other place that's not here and I see women who just are. Their shoulders are like, are back because they're not in LA and they're old and they have great style. Can't explain.

[A]

No, totally. That's why I like watching Real Housewives. Do you watch?

[B]

No, but I do know about Jen Shaw.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's the one you know about.

[B]

I know about Jen Shaw. My. My friends showed me that episode where she gets arrested.

[A]

Iconic.

[B]

It's that amazing getting it on tv.

[A]

I mean, I don't commend her.

[B]

No interaction. It's actually crazy, you know, it's so.

[A]

Crazy seeing it on tv.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She's best friends with Elizabeth Holmes in prison. Yes.

[B]

Elizabeth Holmes. Who? Did you see the Elizabeth Holmes show with Amanda Cypher? Oh, yeah. Loved it.

[A]

Incredible.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So good.

[B]

But Jen Shaw, that makes sense. I want them to do. I want them to do something together. Yeah, like.

[A]

Like a brand deal.

[B]

Yeah, but like I. Whatever. If they were to. If they wrote a book together, they went paragraph for paragraph.

[A]

Yes. Like all the things they did that were fucked up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is how I scammed people.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Or if it was even just a novel, like fiction.

[A]

This isn't true.

[B]

That's what they decided to do in prison together. Right. Paragraph. Paragraph. Novel. Yeah, I buy it.

[A]

It's a murder mystery.

[B]

Yeah. And what if, like, Elizabeth was just like a really good writer and Jen was less?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We can tell which sentences you wrote.

[B]

And just keeps bringing it home. Bringing it home. And then Jen's brings it somewhere, and Elizabeth keeps correcting it. Oh, my gosh. But, yeah, I. I remember actually going to get. My dad and I were having lunch, and it was just one of those times where he was like, my haircut place is right here. Yeah. And. And I was like, okay. So I sat with him and the guy cutting his hair. We got to talk about Jen in that episode. And the haircutter cut all of my dad's hair off because we were so into it, and my dad was so mad, but he didn't say anything while it was happening. We, like, walked out and he was like, like, holy.

[A]

He's like Jen Shaw.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Literally. But, yeah, I don't watch Housewives. Oh.

[A]

What I was gonna say is that watching them, especially the New York, it makes me excited to get older. They're living full lives. They're still hot. They don't give a. Like, I cannot wait to be like Sonia Morgan. She's kind of iconic. She's just, like, a little ditzy and horny. Goals. She wears her glasses down here.

[B]

Like.

[A]

You know, one of those. I, like, try on reading glasses.

[B]

Are they, like, readers or.

[A]

Sometimes. Yeah, sometimes they're full glasses. And she's always like this and like this. But there's something so sexy about it.

[B]

Where she's always pushing them up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's hot.

[A]

Literally, I'm paying attention.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And now I'm not.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Out of my face.

[B]

That's just the funniest thing. If I were glasses, if I need glasses, I would always be, like, using them as a problem. Like when I'm, like, saying something serious, then put them. I would always be doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

[A]

Okay. And where were you when Michael Jackson died?

[B]

Oh, well, I was. I was in elementary school. I just remember my friend Olivia had just been at my house. She was my neighbor. She had left. We'd said goodbye, and then I was walking up my stairs to go to my room, and there's, like, a window by the stairs, and I saw her run back in, and she. She. She ran up the flight to the landing, and she grabbed me. She said, michael Jackson is dead. And I was like, you just never forget something like that.

[A]

Yeah. That's a big death.

[B]

That is a big death.

[A]

Yeah. Do you remember where you were when Matthew Perry died?

[B]

No. Do you?

[A]

In the car, I was like, wasn't he already dead?

[B]

Wow. I remember Kobe.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Tragic.

[B]

I remember Kobe. I was in my apartment in New York, and I was like, oh, Copter crash.

[A]

Like, right. No, I'm not doing anything private.

[B]

No. I have no interest in a helicopter. Right. Like, no. Me. Especially after that. Yeah.

[A]

Like, I like to be safe. I get enough adrenaline. Literally talking.

[B]

No, exactly. I don't have to do anything crazy. I wouldn't skydive. Yeah.

[A]

No, I've done it once.

[B]

You did.

[A]

We'll never do it again.

[B]

Oh, my God. What was it like?

[A]

It was terrifying. It was terrible. That's why I'm like. I hit the ground, and I was like, no, no. Like, that was so up. I'm so pissed at everybody who, like, made me do this.

[B]

Wait.

[A]

I was scared the whole time. They say, like, put your arms out. Like, because I was tandem.

[B]

Yeah. So there was someone.

[A]

But.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they're like, put your arms out. Put your arms out. I just couldn't. He was like, keep doing well. Yeah.

[B]

Because you're like, I need to protect my fucking heart.

[A]

Literally. Like, if I nose dive, like, I just want to be like this. My eyes were closed the whole time. I didn't enjoy any second of it. No. It's like, take a look around. I'm like, go fuck yourself.

[B]

Yeah. You falling out of the sky, literally.

[A]

Yes. In the fetal position. Like, I hate it here.

[B]

That's hilarious. Who did re. Forced into it or kind of.

[A]

Yeah. By a group of, like, nursing friends. They love adrenaline. I know. Know. Yeah. And then we were like, before that, my friend was talking about skydiving videos, like, of things that have gone wrong. So naturally, I was on YouTube, and I'm like, I'm gonna get caught in a tree.

[B]

No, I mean, I would never do it. I can't believe you were you. I feel like people who do it probably are like, I really want to try this. And you were like, okay, I guess I'll do it.

[A]

I tried to cancel so many times.

[B]

They wouldn't let you.

[A]

Well, like, I wasn't like, whatever. I can't. The. I've had opportunities after that to go skydiving, and I sit on the ground and film for them, but I was like, the weather's bad. I don't think I'm gonna make it. And they're like, oh, come on. Just do it. And I'm like, oh. But back then, I didn't have a full amygdala.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Now I have a full fear center. I can do it. But kind of like, like what you were saying, you're, like, not trying to ruin your life for story. No, literally, it's, like, same. I kind of get Afraid now that I'm married and, like, so much of my life is work that, like. Yeah. Where is this inspiration? How do you, like, do you look at your life like a movie?

[B]

Of course. Of course. Of course I do. No, it is. It's like. And it strikes me at such specific times where I'm basically like. I could be. I'm usually alone, and I'll, like, go down to tie my shoe. And I'm like. I'm like, I'm in it. I'm in it. I'm in it. Yeah, I'm in it.

[A]

Bunny ears.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. But I. I do. And I. It is the. I'm like, what will become of me all the time? Literally, what will become of me? How if. Especially for you, you're like. If I have this much figured out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, career.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Which, you know, will inherently just keep going. You can't. You can plan ahead, but you can't really predict, like, what's gonna happen. But then you have partner, which is like, that's. That's forever. Right. You know, sometimes. Sometimes it's not. Yeah, that. Like. And then you have a house. It's like, what. What.

[A]

What else is there?

[B]

Yeah, what else is there? And. But sometimes, if you're happy, I think you probably don't always are. You're probably not always asking yourself that question, like, what else? What else? What else? Right. I feel like that's, like, a maybe because I don't have those things yet. I'm like, I want a baby so bad.

[A]

You do?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Do you? No, not at all.

[A]

No.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Does your wife?

[A]

But no.

[B]

Wow. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so you don't. Yeah.

[A]

No, but that's exciting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just get up. I'm obsessed with babies.

[A]

Yeah. No, I know. I would say they're cute, but then I'd be lying. But I could understand. I don't have the maternal instinct. I've never had it. I just got it with my dog. He's 8 years old. It's taken me forever.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So how. Really? Yeah. So you just start being like, this is mine, and I take care of this.

[A]

Before, I would look at him, and it's, like, really bad. When I'm high, I'm like, what are you. Because I don't know if you're a dog. Yeah, he's a goldendoodle. So he's like, not. Not the most dog. But now I'm like, okay, you are a dog.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get. I understand now. Yeah.

[A]

But also, like, so I'm I'm going to Toronto for five months. In the middle of the winter.

[B]

Are you gonna film something?

[A]

I know, yeah.

[B]

Okay, wait, finish what you're saying. But I want to hear about that.

[A]

Yes, but I think like the melancholy, you know, will be good inspiration.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

It doesn't take me a lot to be sad.

[B]

No, I mean, hello.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Living in this world.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So I hope it like draws some kind of convinced. But all these like light hearted essays that I'm supposed to be writing are all of a sudden gonna turn so dark or you.

[B]

You just never know. It might just inspire you to write and like.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

That's amazing. Whoa. Okay. Is it a movie? Can you talk about it?

[A]

Yeah, it's a show. Yeah. It's a new show on Netflix. I play the dance coach. Oh my God. Yes. Because you're such a good dancer.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Yeah. When I first saw you dancing, like in your music videos on Tick Tock, I'm like, I know this is damn.

[B]

But yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So good.

[B]

That is what it is. Yes. Oh my God. Okay, see, that's fun. Yeah, that's fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is this your first film? Yeah. Or TV or like going off to do this kind of thing?

[A]

Yes. I'm terrified.

[B]

Yeah. But that's exciting that you like got something. You got.

[A]

Got the role, right?

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. No, I feel really lucky. I'm excited to get there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm nervous just about doing something new, but I think it's like a good role for me to start. And it's not a big role at.

[B]

All, but it's five months you're gone, Right? Wow.

[A]

Yeah. Do you want to act? You do everything. So you like screenwrite?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you direct and like edit all your music videos?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Are you tired?

[B]

No, I like, I'm like, I want to do it again and again. Again. But yeah, yeah, but I do. I have interest in acting, I think. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And I think probably most people on the planet do. Right? You know? Yeah. It's like movie stars.

[A]

Totally. They're there where we all want to be.

[B]

It is. And the. The more I live in this year, 2025, the more I look at people who are sort of like not like in the Leonardo kind of like older but younger stars who I'm like, oh, yeah, you have it. You're gonna be like. I'm like. To be. I think in films is probably a healthier way to have a normal life. I think you can have maybe more of a normal life than musicians and Also, it's just less about you. It's less about you as an actor. Yeah. I think.

[A]

Who do you think a rising star is right now?

[B]

Rising star? I mean. Well, I just think we all loved Timothy so much.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When he popped out. And I love him more every time he does something. It's like he's like a. He's like being a pop star who's also a movie star in the way that he clearly is, like, choosing projects that. That excite him, obviously. And he has that luxury now at this point. He's like our. He's like our legend to me. And he then is, like, taking it upon himself. I mean, this is just what I'm assuming, but, like, he's then taking it upon himself to, like, promote them in his own specific way where it's like, he is conceptualizing how do I want to get people to go see this movie who are maybe younger or my age and get them excited about movies? And he's so punk. Like, he's so cool to me.

[A]

He has the best style.

[B]

He does. He's amazing. And he was a musical guest on snl. Like, I'm still. I still think about that sometimes. I'm like, that's so crazy. And he played Bob Dylan song. That's so, like, as.

[A]

Did he actually sing? Yes. Whoa.

[B]

He wore these, like, massive shades for what? You should watch.

[A]

Oh, my God. I have to watch. I didn't know that because I watched the Bob Dylan movie. I loved it. Yes. Same. I mean, watching it, I'm like, whoa, this character's really put on.

[B]

Huh?

[A]

But.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

I think it's what it needed to, like, also drive it home. Bob Dylan is, like, actually kind of like that.

[B]

Oh, Bob Dylan's probably nuts. Yeah. And I. When I watched that movie, I had the same. I had the same experience where, like, the first three seconds, his performance as Bob Dylan, I was like, whoa. And then immediately I, like, relaxed into.

[A]

I can't even.

[B]

It was like. It was amazing. I just forgot that it was Timothy. I was fully like, that is Bob Dylan. Yeah. Which is the goal. I feel like you want. You never want to feel like you're watching someone act. You want to feel like you're observing someone live.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I have. Yeah. Do you watch Gilmore Girls ever?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay. Well, the main actress, she is, like, my favorite story of how she got the role.

[A]

Which one? Lorelei.

[B]

Not Lorelei, the daughter. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Alexis Bledel. Yeah. She actually. I think she won an Emmy for Handmaid's Tale. Oh, crazy.

[A]

She Was in that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

But she basically was a student at NYU. She was in the photography program. I'm. I'm pretty sure I'm getting this right. But if I'm not, don't.

[A]

Shot check.

[B]

Yeah. Don't fact check, please. Yeah. But she. She was a photography so student at NYU and a part of their classes would they. They'd go in to watch the actors and take photos of the actors like rehearsing. And she said she found herself having so many opinions about the actors performances and she just was like oh, I wouldn't have made that shows or. And she just had these opinions. And then she was also a model. Yeah.

[A]

She's gorgeous.

[B]

Gorge. Yeah. Got the Gilmore Girls audition. Was the first audition that ever came through for her. And she went out and auditioned and she just got it and then booked it. Whoa. And then like left school. Wow. But it's. I just find it so interesting that she. Because that's how it was for me with music too. I always have had so many opinions and I didn't think that meant I wanted to write songs, but. Right. I always was in my head listening to a song and going like why is this good? Why is this bad? I think then knowing why it was good. Knowing why it was bad. And Yeah. I think it led to. Yeah. Makes sense. I don't know.

[A]

No, no, totally. And you have an ear and an eye for it. You know, it's like thank you. Even if you're talented or can do this or that or anything. But it's like paying attention to your art. Yes.

[B]

I feel like.

[A]

Is what makes something really amazing and just like thinking about it.

[B]

Yes. And I'm. It is. It is nice to think of it as art. Like obviously I heard Miley Cyrus say something really smart on a podcast where she was like, oh, I don't. I'm. I'm gonna paraphrase. But like, she was like, I am not. I can't consider myself an artist. I'm not an artist. I'm doing. I've. I'm in a deal. Like, I am employed. I. This is a job.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, one day I'll get to be an artist.

[A]

Like, when she's working for herself.

[B]

Yeah. Or just, like, when, you know, you're older and you're not a pop star anymore, and then I'll get to be an artist. That. And that made sense to me, but then also sometimes to quell whatever, like, worry I have. Yeah. About, like, not being fast enough to the next thing, I'm like, but I'm an artist, you know? Like.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm an artist.

[A]

You can't push inspiration.

[B]

Yeah. You can't. You. You honestly can't. And for me, I'm like, I guess.

[A]

Yeah, maybe. I mean, I don't know.

[B]

Yeah. No, I don't. Listen. I don't know. Maybe where two people haven't, like. Yeah. Some people are. I know.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

And it. And it is. Yeah. And it is. And maybe we're just two people who are like. Yeah. Needing to write something and. And don't feel like they're in a good place yet.

[A]

Right. Is the place ever gonna come?

[B]

Yeah, and it. Of course it will.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah. So did you. Had you, like, wrote your songs? Like, the melody.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The tunage.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the words.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, produce them. Like, so.

[B]

So you.

[A]

Do you feel like you're, like, working for yourself kind of, like, is all your thing.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah, I do.

[A]

Some stuff is, like, kind of manufactured that we hear. I won't name names.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

But it's like, it feels like you.

[B]

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I am. That was, like, sort of the reason I'm interested in doing this is the idea that I get to write it and then make it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, like, I. I worked with one other guy, Ricky Gourmet, on Chic.

[A]

Last name.

[B]

Yeah, it's his stage name, but it is, like.

[A]

Ricky.

[B]

Yeah. Ricky. Yeah. Literally, that. I mean, he is Ricky Gourmet to me. Like, he has a full legal name, but he's Ricky Gourmet. But, yeah, we, like. I would write the songs at home, and then we would, like, produce them together. And he played pretty much every instrument on and played all the synths, you know. He's amazing. And it was so fun. But, yeah, I. I'm interested in making music videos. I'm interested in editing music videos.

[A]

Videos are so good.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

I love the scenery.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

Like, how it's like, I don't even. I feel like. I say grounded all the time. Like, what is grounded? Even me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I feel like.

[B]

I know. Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, I love how it's just like. Like in a bedroom or in the break room.

[B]

The break room. Literally, the.

[A]

Yeah, the break room was so good. It's like, things that we kind of relate to and know. I feel like we're, like, craving that as a society. Like, we're, like, done with, like, the lush and laughing. Maybe it's a sign of our economy.

[B]

I think it's a sign of just everything. Just excess all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All day long. Like, I know I didn't even. I would go and say to. When I was meeting, like, record labels, I would say, like, I think I want to be. You know, I would say I want to be relatable. I want to be, like, low to the ground, however, that. Whatever that means, you know? But I. It. For me, it's like, I get. I don't spend a lot of. I try not to spend a lot of time on the Internet because I literally just get overwhelmed.

[A]

I'm like, you're so disciplined.

[B]

I mean, I am. I actually am.

[A]

I want to know your other. Do you know your rising and your moon?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, hit me.

[B]

Aries moon.

[A]

Oh, okay. I'm an Aries rising.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. Aries moon. And I'm a cancer rising.

[A]

Okay, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I mean, cancers are really creative, and I feel like there's a lot of them, like, in the industry.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I always loved cancer boys.

[A]

Yeah, but they're sweet.

[B]

They're sweet and they're. And they're creative. Yeah, they're creative. But, yeah, I don't know. I just. I get really overwhelmed, and I. I get existential very easily. So I can spend 10 minutes, like, scrolling, and I will. It'll send me spiraling for, like, longer than I'd been scrolling. It sounds dramatic, and it is.

[A]

No, but that's okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Social media is ruining our lives.

[B]

It's just too much. Like, it's just way too much for me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

No, literally, I like. Well, I know what's happening. Like, I'm in on it, and I'll just be like, okay, I'm craving a dopamine hit, and we'll see. If absolutely nothing put it back down, Then it's like, repeat, repeat.

[B]

Literally. Yeah.

[A]

It's like an addiction. But I have one of those lock boxes now.

[B]

Smart.

[A]

Yes. That I can put my phone in. It makes such a big difference.

[B]

That is smart. And also, I bet for you and because this is like, the new experience I've had with the phone is like, it's a dopamine hit because of your notifications.

[A]

It's totally. It's not like, what are people saying about.

[B]

No, what are people saying about me? When I open that app and it's like that giant orange bar, I'm like, whoa, whoa. Like, whoa. For like two seconds.

[A]

Giant orange bar.

[B]

It's like. It's like, comment. Like you were tagged and follows. I'm like, all four?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Big four. Yeah. Like, this is a crazy minute. And I'm like. And then that, like, the first week, the week that my song came out, my first song, I, like, was for the first time, like, tapped in in that way. And it actually ended up making me go crazy. Like, I just went nuts. Yeah. And I just decided, like, this is also probably going to affect how I, like, go about my creative life if I'm just. It's an addiction. Literally. Like, hello. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And you don't want to be so, like, tapped into what other people like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's true. It, like, takes it away from you kinda. And I don't know, it's like. It's also like, you don't want to see too many bad things, but also you don't want to see too many good things. I mean, I do, but I get the inflated ego.

[B]

No, but it's so true what they say about used to it so fast. Yeah. Yes. And it's. And I think it's true what they say about the good comments don't hit, like, the bad ones. Like, because when you get a bad one, you're literally right. But when you get a good one, you're like, of course.

[A]

Yeah. Like, slay, slay, mother, mother. Then it's like, go yourself. I'm like, me.

[B]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[A]

Me, me, me. What did I do to you?

[B]

I came here, you like, I just. I'm so. I'm like, erase all of it. See how it makes me feel. I've gone through, like, different cycles of that this summer of being like, okay, I'm gonna be tapped in for a week. And then I'm like, okay, it's making me feel bad. I'm gonna tap out for two. And then I'M like, wait, but I gotta post back on, like, right. Kind of thing.

[A]

It's like, kind of our job. It is to, like, tap out completely.

[B]

Especially like. Yeah. Because I. I feel like I have a hard time with the social media stuff and I just never feel like I. I mean, Instagram, I feel fine on, but Tick tock. I'm literally like. I don't even know what to pop in and say. Like. Yeah. I just actually don't. Because I don't. Don't ever go on. I go on Instagram, but I don't really go on. Tick tock.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm just like, oh, I just. I feel like, what's big right now? Or like, what? Yeah.

[A]

Who knows?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, my algo. Really now I try. I did. I did. Which I want, like, a niche. I'll go so bad. You know, it's like, people are like, have you seen the witches?

[B]

Yeah. Or the cows on the hill? Right? Yeah.

[A]

And they're like, no, I'm stuck on the puppies.

[B]

Yeah, I know. Literally, it's just Madison beer, right? Yeah.

[A]

Like, no. Yeah. No, it's so lame. But no, I love, like, I love all your dancing.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

Tick tock. And the music video.

[B]

Oh, thank you. But what is your algorithm, though?

[A]

Should I pull it up?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, it's like people saying dumb for sure. Like, there's this one guy who talks like this.

[B]

Holy crap. What does he say?

[A]

He's just always saying funny things. He's like, it's okay to cry.

[B]

Okay, that sounds. That sounds fun.

[A]

I have to send it to you. Oh, this is a weed one. Thinking of our garden mother. Ooh, Tyler Cameron's downfall.

[B]

Wait, what? Do you know him?

[A]

Sick. No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But why is he down falling?

[B]

How could he be?

[A]

Right?

[B]

No, how could he be?

[A]

Literally. Oh, Julia Fox. I get all her reposts posts. Do you want to get high? Forget. So it's a lot of like. Hi, donor. Yes. Targeted. You got me.

[B]

Should I pull up my Instagram reels?

[A]

Yeah, let's see.

[B]

Okay, let's see. Instagram. I just feel like. Because you just did it. Okay.

[A]

No, because sometimes, like, I like to look at other people's Instagram there for you page. Just see, like, a little part of them.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's like all thirst traps of women. I'm like, you pervert.

[B]

What? I was watching after school in fifth grade. It's Jeffree Star. Oh, it's Elmo.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Is this.

[A]

About my feelings and things.

[B]

That I can do to Help me feel better. We listen, draw, play. I need to go back to therapy. I need to go back.

[A]

Do you. I feel like, I don't know, therapeutic outlet sometimes I'm like, are you stealing my money? I love my therapist, girl, but I. Carol. Carol.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

But I saw her yesterday, and I'm like, I don't even know what to talk about. So I was just, like, complaining about work.

[B]

Do you talk the entire time?

[A]

I try to. To get my money's worth?

[B]

Yeah. No, because that's. That's. I feel like my issues. I've had quite a few therapists, and I've never felt like one. I'm. I'm wanting to go into therapy and literally have them say something to me, and me get knocked, like, right off my feet. Be like, yeah, you just changed everything totally, and it's just never happened. No.

[A]

No.

[B]

But I. And I talk the entire time. Right?

[A]

Y. Yeah. They're like, well, it sounds like you're kind of doing okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Let's see where you are next week. Another 400.

[B]

No lit. That's crazy. Yeah, I. I do think I should go back. I just wonder if. If I were going to, like. Did you ever see the documentary that Jonah Hill made about his therapist, Stutz?

[A]

No. Was it crazy? Have you seen a picture of him recently?

[B]

Jonah?

[A]

Yeah, no, me either.

[B]

I'm sure.

[A]

Is that thumbnail?

[B]

This is what I bet he looks like. Like, I bet you he has a buzz cut. I bet you it's blonde.

[A]

I think you're really.

[B]

Yeah. And I bet you he's, like, really chiseled.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's on the beach, and he's in board shorts.

[A]

He's in board shorts?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No chubbies, no Speedo.

[B]

Like, he's.

[A]

No, you're right. They're kind of showing off his butt crack.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's one of those.

[B]

There's a hole from the fin of the board that he deserves. Yeah. In his. In his trunks. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That he, like, farted through.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't trust him, you know, Dirty booty.

[B]

I mean, it was crazy. That thing he said about the girl. His. The text that leaked right from. That he's texted to his girlfriend. When he was like. He was like, no boundaryless relationships with men. He just said. I just. That's such a phrase that. That is always in my head. Boundaryless relationships with men.

[A]

Like, is that me?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Is that bad?

[B]

He texted that to his girlfriend and, like, that's songwriting. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Honestly, do you want to write. Can you see yourself, like, writing anything else? Like, yeah, you were in a writer's room.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was Nickelodeon, which was. It taught me so much. It really, actually, I think prepared me for this time in my life. Yeah. I would like to, I think, you know, when the time is right. Like, I would. That. That is something that you. You actually can't rush. And like I said in the beginning, I just think it's less subjective. Like, I could write a script and be a great songwriter and write, like, a really bad script, which.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That. It's all about pushing past those feelings, too. Like, maybe I'd write a great script. You never know. And I've written lots of script, but it was all in college.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So who knows? I was, like, 19 and I wrote a movie.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, cool.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What was it about?

[B]

It was about. It was about me and my siblings.

[A]

Or.

[B]

No, wait, the movie. Yeah, it's always, like. It was always, like, a coming of age.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I remember I wrote all of my great aunts into it as characters because they're hilarious.

[A]

Wait, I love them.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Gail, Sandy, Deb. Oh, and K. Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

No, she's a standout, too.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Kay, we're back.

[B]

Wait, you're close with your wife's family? Yeah, yeah, are. And they're cast characters?

[A]

Yes. Do you want to hear their names?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Lavy, Haya. Who's next? Next. Goldie? My wife, Rifka, or. And I forgot Shmole.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I love Shmoly. He's always texting me. Wow. He's. He's always the first to be like, saw this. So proud of you. Love. I know.

[B]

That's wonderful.

[A]

He didn't text me back last time, though. Low key. He must have gotten it in the middle of his sleep because it's so uncharacteristic of him.

[B]

Yeah. To not rip back. Yeah.

[A]

There's Schneer, Menachem and Shalom, Devorah and Yehudis.

[B]

Holy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a big fam.

[A]

Oh, yeah. She's one of 10.

[B]

These. Are these the children?

[A]

Yeah, those are. Yeah. She doesn't have 10 children, but her mom did.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Yeah. Because she was. She grew up Orthodox Jewish. Wow. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But when you say, like. And her mom is so smart, but she's, like, natural inspiration. I feel like, for all things comedy, because I could not even describe her to you. Maybe I'll send you a video of her.

[B]

Please.

[A]

She's a musician.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

She's really good at playing the guitar. She, like, teaches guitar lessons. She goes in the middle of Canada to like, rock band. Like, she plays with a band once a month. She doesn't look like a rock star, but in her soul she really is. And she's like, some people, it's.

[B]

There are people that. Who are that way.

[A]

Right. And it's like so endearing. But. Oh, yeah, they're all like, they're pretty much. I mean, my wife is the funniest. She's still like the class clown. Like whenever they all get together, she's like, definitely the ham. But they're all funny. They all talk a mile a minute. They came to visit and she was like, you have to talk over everybody.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Normal. And I come from, like a very small family, but I got in there.

[B]

I can imagine. And do you remember the first time you were with all of them and were you just like, this is my family? Like, did you have that feeling or were you like, whoa?

[A]

I was kind of like, it was culture shock. I'm like, who are these people?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But they're so like, whoa.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But they're like the most loving, accepting. From the beginning, Robbie was like, my family is their family. It's our family. So now it's like her sister sent me flowers. I hosted a little thing.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Oh, my God. Like, they're just so thoughtful. I feel like I have like, sisters.

[B]

Wow. Yeah, that is. Yeah. And that's also why you sort of when. I mean, I think about this, like, when I eventually get married, I'm gonna need to be obsessed with the family. Or at least like, I don't, you know, know my. My parents. Families love each other and my mom loves my dad's family. My dad loves my mom's family. But also it's like, it's not like there were. There were rough patches.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, Which I think is normal. But that's just the dream that you want to go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you're like marrying the family too.

[A]

Totally. It makes it like I feel like I have a little sister. Shout out to Debbie.

[B]

Shout out Deb.

[A]

Yeah. I give her like all my hand me down clothes and all. PR and stuff. Yeah.

[B]

That's nice. Yeah. They have someone to give to the PR to.

[A]

Totally. She's like so sweet and wide eyed. So it's like this is. It's kind of nice to have the feeling of like growing up around a lot of people. Do you have siblings?

[B]

I do. I'm the oldest of four.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Yeah. So me I'm 26. Charlie's 24. Ellen, Malcolm are 22. Oh, wait, 21. No, 22. They just turned 22.

[A]

They're twins.

[B]

They're twins.

[A]

Do you like being the oldest?

[B]

Yes, I love it.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

I think it's totally informed my whole life. Like, I just. I. In every room. I'm just the eldest daughter. Like, I'm the oldest sibling.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, yeah, I'm very close with all of them. And they're. We're all creative. We're like the von Trapps. And now everyone lives so far away. So it's like Thanksgiving is that time. Thanksgiving used to be, like, really excited for the food. And now it's like, oh, my gosh, we're all gonna get to be together. We might take a drive.

[A]

Yeah, I love a joyride.

[B]

Yeah. We might go to the movies.

[A]

Oh, I die for that.

[B]

I love the movies.

[A]

Same.

[B]

What have you seen recently or anything?

[A]

Say it out loud or I can bleep it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We went to a matinee of the.

[B]

What was it like? What was it like?

[A]

Do it for the number.

[B]

No, I mean, one day I will do something for the numbers.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And the right thing. Yeah. Like. Like, I'm like. I want to feel what that feels like where you're like, I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna go out on a limb.

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[B]

Gonna get 40 million views.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then you do it and then it happens. I don't know. I feel like sometimes people are so strategic in that way. And I'm like, totally. I sometimes get embarrassed about feeling strategic. I can't really explain why. Yeah. But I'm like, I don't like to post knowing, like, hey, this might. Might be a hit or something. Like, yeah, this kind of post too.

[A]

Much pressure on yourself.

[B]

Yeah. And then it feels it not authentic. I can't really. Yeah. I don't know why. Even though I, like, came up with it and it's like, why not do something that you think might get a lot of attention, but. Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

We're the opposite.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm just always looking for attention.

[B]

Oh, really? Wait, you? Yeah. It doesn't seem like you are.

[A]

Oh, thank you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Deep inside.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you feel like your album has, like, done, like, better than expected, or did you have, like. How do you feel about it?

[B]

I feel great. I mean, I know from, like, a.

[A]

I think it's a monstrous hit. No skips. It was the soundtrack to our honeymoon. Like.

[B]

Yeah. You freaking kidding?

[A]

No.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Oh, yeah. No. When I was watching your videos, Robbie was like, she's coming on the podcast tomorrow. I'm like, yes.

[B]

Oh, my God. I would love to meet her.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

You should. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Cuz she's awesome writer.

[A]

Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah.

[B]

Wow. I think it's. I'm so happy. I mean, just also, I'm in the part of the job where I'm like, I'm trying to spread the word, you know? And I'll spread the word until I'm spread completely thin. I will. Like. I. Yeah, it is. And it's. I'm. I'm so proud of it. I. I'm. I'm. I think it's done very well, and I'm excited to, like, get my ass on stage.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, if I. If I didn't know if I wanted to be a singer, I didn't know if I want to be a songwriter. I didn't know if I wanted to do any of this, but I know I want to perform.

[A]

Oh, hell yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm like, put me up there and also the kind of be, like.

[A]

The most iconic pop star.

[B]

Oh, stop.

[A]

No. With your choreography, like, are you gonna dance?

[B]

I think so. Yeah. I think so. It's hard because my songs are so fast and wordy that I, like. I want to obviously sing it well, but you obviously want it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So I. I'm sure I will. I actually don't know. That's the exciting part too. Have written the show, and it's like the Dre. It's. It. We're gonna start rehearsing it, and it's just like. It is. I think I'm so excited to be creative in this way.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But I also. You don't know what it's gonna be like until you're up doing it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I really don't know what's gonna take over me, if I'm gonna start convulsing or if I'm gonna Want to literally stand and tap my foot. Like, I hope both are good. Yeah. But that's why I'm so excited. I'm like, oh, let's see. Let's see how it goes.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Just another creative endeavor.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, it's true. I need it so bad, yo.

[A]

Yeah. And like, being on stage, like, you get out so much, I feel like that's why people do it. I'm going to be in Toronto when you're there. Okay.

[B]

You're coming then I want to go. Oh, my God, you must. That will be so great. And you.

[A]

I think you're already sold out.

[B]

Oh, well, okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'll pay still.

[B]

You know, you can judge me.

[A]

I'll pay extra. But I got to see it.

[B]

I'll pay still. No, no, wait.

[A]

How.

[B]

How much will he. You have filmed? I think I'm playing there and mid December. So when do you leave?

[A]

Oh, yeah, I'm there for literally five months.

[B]

But when do you start?

[A]

I. On Monday. That's why they were like, it's Friday. Yes. They're like, you get back in town the 13th.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

And I'm like, oh, I'm leaving.

[B]

Are you packing a bunch in before you leave?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Are you just ripping this all day?

[A]

Just today.

[B]

Oh, just today. Okay. Wow.

[A]

Yeah, I know. But I actually have to pack, which is causing me so much anxiety. Oh, my God. But naturally I'm just like, off.

[B]

Oh, my God. You're. And you're. You're gonna go on Monday and then you're gonna be there. Do you know where you're staying?

[A]

Wednesday? Wow.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I know. I got a cute little Airbnb.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

God. In like, a good area. So we had to push back on it, but I'm like, I cannot be in a dingy hotel room with no coffee to go to.

[B]

Oh, no, you need to live. You need to live.

[A]

You have to live. If I'm here for this long, like.

[B]

I've never been to Toronto, but I. I hear it's cool.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

If you're there for more than one day, we should hang.

[B]

We should. Oh, my gosh. I would love to come see the Airbnb.

[A]

Yes, please.

[B]

Will you do podcasting from there?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I know. As another push, I'm like, I can't be. I can't be in one room.

[B]

No. And are you gonna bring your set?

[A]

I'm gonna bring as many of these godforsaken hand dyed curtains That I did. I don't even know if I agreed to.

[B]

No, they're wonderful. And this is my favorite. It.

[A]

I'm gonna bring this.

[B]

Yeah. Bring that. Yeah. I can't even describe what that evokes. Like. Yeah, I know.

[A]

That feels good to hear. People are like, should we make merch out of this? I'm like, I don't. I don't think it's gonna dream.

[B]

It's like a floral length skirt. Yeah.

[A]

You're like, this is merch.

[B]

Yes. It's the Gabby Wendy merch. It's a floor length skirt in the pattern of that. But this is amazing.

[A]

Thank Gabriella. Yeah.

[B]

Wait, was that. What was this for?

[A]

I was a Broncos cheerleader.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What the.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That was fascinating. Thank you. Wait, you've been a nurse? You've been on the Bachelor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You were a Broncos cheerleader.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Now.

[A]

Now I'm a dyke.

[B]

Now you're. Now you're gay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're married.

[A]

And I'm married.

[B]

And you have a successful podcast, among other things. Now you're like a. It makes sense.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

That's cool. You should write a book. Yeah, absolutely. And you can write a book. Like, I. I want to say that, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is it about your life? It has to be. Yeah.

[A]

My editor has notes that she wants to get on the phone about, but I didn't respond.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I hate that. That must be like, obviously, it's what she's there to do, and.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's a collaboration. She's probably wonderful. But also it's like. Yeah. I just remember that feeling of being like, okay, here is a piece of me. And then they're like, here's what I think. I'm like, did I ask? Ask?

[A]

Right. And it's like, I'm afraid what the notes are is gonna, like, change me to my core.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I actually don't give a. About grammar.

[B]

No. And also, you know, I'm that way, too, sometimes where I, like, sense I'll, like, write stuff for publications, and then they'll fix my, like, comma placement or make it more grammatically correct, which. Sure. But.

[A]

But it doesn't, like, match the flow.

[B]

No, I'm trying to flow. I would love to read a book like that. Yes.

[A]

Honestly, that's how Joan Didion writes, I think drunk, so. And I. You could even. It takes you a while to get into it, but then once you're into it, it flows so well, you can read her when she's high.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait all Right.

[B]

Yeah. She's also. You can read Joan when you're high.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Sick.

[A]

No, because, like, it's her. Once you get used to, like, her comma placements and, like, how long her. Her sentences are, you're literally, like, in.

[B]

That flow with her. I can imagine. Yeah. I love Eve Babbitts. Same. Okay. She's my fave. Yeah.

[A]

I still.

[B]

She's an underdog. And I. I. Yeah. Ricky was like, you should read Black Swans. I read Black Swans. And then. Oh, my gosh. Just. She's. She's my favorite writer. Oh, that. It's so good. They're all so good. Like, I just. She's my favorite funny woman, and she makes me think about how nothing about LA has changed. Yes. Since, like, the 80s. And. Yeah.

[A]

I love the nostalgia of LA that they both bring.

[B]

I don't actually. I haven't even read a Joan Didion book.

[A]

I think it's. I can't be recommending that.

[B]

Is it depressing or what?

[A]

She is really depressed. Dark.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But she's really funny.

[B]

You know what I love? The Bell Jar. Same. Yes. I love that book.

[A]

Same.

[B]

So I remember I. I picked it. I also only read that for the first time last year.

[A]

Same.

[B]

And I was literally like, whoa. And it happened to be cloudy for, like, the three days I was reading it. And I remember finishing and being like, that was amazing. But, like, holy crap, I need to go, you know?

[A]

Right.

[B]

See the sun or. I don't know. And I was living in Venice at the time. Oh, do you hang out on the west side?

[A]

No, I used to live in Venice.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

Yes. For six months.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I lived on Fifth and Rose.

[B]

Oh, great. Yeah. Did you go to that wine shop and Rose Cafe. Yes.

[A]

Is that the restaurant?

[B]

Yeah, it's the restaurant. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think it's closed down.

[B]

What?

[A]

Yeah. Wait, the restaurant.

[B]

Yeah. Rose Cafe.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Wait. Yeah.

[A]

The Rose or whatever.

[B]

The Ro. Well, yeah, people call it the Rose.

[A]

But to me, it's Rose Cafe.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I lived there for two years.

[A]

It's like the men on the west side. I don't even know what they're doing.

[B]

They're like, fine Finance. Yeah. Or they're married.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And sometimes they're equally as bad. Yeah. No, truly. One time I saw Jeff Goldblum in a Speedo, though, on Venice Beach.

[A]

Oh, my God, stop.

[B]

Yeah. And it was really early in the morning, and I was kind of like. Like, am I seeing this right? I was like, hello. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I was a little sick thing for Him.

[B]

I don't really.

[A]

Kind of. I don't know why. I think it's cuz his voice, like, one time somebody was like, you remind me of Jeff Goldblum. So it's like looking in a mirror.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

I mean, that's a young Jeff Goldblum. Like our dance moves, I guess.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

So then I saw him at Lost Culturistas because he accepted an award and like, whatever is like the T. Rex. What is the movie? Jurassic Park?

[B]

Yeah, the T. Rex.

[A]

And there's a picture of him topless like this. And I was like, take it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Was right next to me. I'm like, who am I? I like, I'm embarrassing myself.

[B]

Jeff. But for Jeff. Right.

[A]

I think he has that effect on people. Yeah.

[B]

I'm trying to think of who my version of that is where I'm just like, oh, I can't understand. Like, it's not like I wish I felt that way about Christopher Walken.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

But I'm just like, I can only see him as the husband in Hairspray. That's like the only way I could see him.

[A]

Do you feel that way about Nicholas Cage?

[B]

Actually, I did just watch Moonstra and I did feel that way. Yeah.

[A]

Because they kind of give the same to me. I don't know, their shaped head.

[B]

Yeah. Nicolas Cage is more like. He's. He's like built a little bit more. Christopher Walken to me is. Snap him in half.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, we like that.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. And that's the thing about, like, yeah, these. These guys, you're just like. I don't want to feel like.

[A]

Like you can snap them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Emotionally or physically?

[B]

Certainly not emotionally. Yeah.

[A]

Like, take a joke.

[B]

Take a joke or ask me a question.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

Some guys can go on and on and on and on and on.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And on.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I'm like, if they're entertaining, I'm like, okay, this is fine. This is better than you not being entertaining. I wouldn't even.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Be sitting here.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But. Hello. Turn it over to me. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Well, I think we've been going for a while.

[B]

Yes, we have been. I mean, how long?

[A]

Like over an hour.

[B]

Okay. Hell yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

I know. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you for having me sign you.

[B]

On Instagram, my name on Tik Tok Mike Monster. And on Twitter, my name, number one. Okay. And on substack, my name.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And YouTube. YouTube, yeah. Audrey Hobert.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then. Yeah, you can just sort of also look me up. Look me up. Google, Google, Google me. I actually just googled myself for the first time and I learned there's a Wikipedia page. That's a huge deal. Huge. Do you remember when you discovered yours? Sorry, I keep.

[A]

No, I don't actually. But there's. If you ever don't like something on your Wikipedia, you can edit it. Come here. You have to find a super editor. There are some that listen to this podcast specifically. Change things for me. Wow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Big time.

[B]

Okay. You're the best. Thank you.

[A]

Okay, well, thank you so much.

[B]

Yeah. Thank you.

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