How to be happier with Dan Harris.

Summary

Lost Boys Podcast: Episode Summary – "How to Be Happier with Dan Harris"

Release Date: May 22, 2025
Hosts: Anthony Scaramucci and Professor Scott Galloway
Guest: Dan Harris, Journalist and Author of "10% Happier"

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Introduction

In this compelling episode of Lost Boys, hosts Anthony Scaramucci and Professor Scott Galloway delve into the pressing challenges faced by young men in America today. Joined by special guest Dan Harris, a renowned journalist and mindfulness advocate, the conversation centers on mental health, anxiety, and strategies for fostering resilience among young men.

The Crisis Among America's Young Men

Anthony kicks off the discussion by highlighting the dire statistics surrounding young men aged 18 to 35. Professor Scott Galloway adds depth to this by sharing alarming data:

“4 out of 5 suicides are male, 12 times more likely to be incarcerated, 3 times more likely to be homeless or addicted.”
— Scott Galloway [03:19]

Scott emphasizes that societal empathy has shifted over the decades, initially overlooking the struggles of young men amid broader economic prosperity. However, recent conversations have become more productive, fostering a collaborative effort across different societal groups to address these issues.

Dan Harris on Managing Anxiety and Stress

Dan Harris introduces his personal journey from a successful journalist to a mindfulness advocate after experiencing a public panic attack. He shares insights from his best-selling book, "10% Happier," and discusses how mindfulness can be a practical tool for managing anxiety—a crucial asset for young men grappling with modern stressors.

The Role of Social Connection in Mental Health

A significant portion of the conversation focuses on the impact of social isolation facilitated by technology and societal changes. Dan points out:

“We are isolated, lonely, disconnected, stuck in our own little worlds on our phones. That is one of the major contributors to this spike in anxiety.”
— Dan Harris [06:02]

He argues that human cooperation and communication are fundamental to our species' success but are now undermined by a culture that promotes individualism and tech-driven isolation. Dan advocates for intentional efforts to build positive relationships as a remedy to rising anxiety levels.

Addressing Toxic Masculinity

The dialogue shifts to the concept of toxic masculinity and its effects on young men. Dan acknowledges the validity of the term but cautions against its overuse, which can alienate men from the conversation:

“There are these great examples of how to do masculinity poorly... I see young men who are much less casually misogynistic than the world that I grew up in.”
— Dan Harris [10:46]

He highlights positive role models who redefine masculinity through strength that encompasses emotional openness and resilience rather than dominance and suppression of feelings.

Practical Strategies for Overcoming Anxiety

Scott presents a scenario involving a young man experiencing social anxiety and panic attacks. Dan provides actionable advice, emphasizing the importance of taking small, manageable steps to confront fears:

“Take a little risk. Divulge something personal to somebody you trust at work and see what happens. Go to the party that you otherwise wouldn't go to... Baby steps of facing what scares you.”
— Dan Harris [17:06]

He further elaborates on cognitive behavioral techniques, such as self-compassion and positive self-talk, to mitigate anxiety:

“Learn to talk to yourself the way you would talk to a good friend... Use your own name when you're talking to yourself.”
— Dan Harris [21:02]

Fatherhood and Modeling Healthy Masculinity

Dan discusses how the insights from the podcast and his experiences influence his approach to fatherhood. He stresses the importance of fostering healthy relationships for his son and modeling a masculinity that embraces emotional vulnerability:

“I think a lot about making sure he has healthy relationships... Show respect to my wife in front of my son... I can admit that I have panic attacks and talk about it with my son.”
— Dan Harris [25:08]

Final Thoughts: Action as an Antidote to Anxiety

As the episode wraps up, Dan shares his philosophy that action absorbs anxiety. He encourages listeners to take proactive steps in their local environments, no matter how small, to regain a sense of control and purpose:

“Action absorbs anxiety. You have more power than you think... There's a world filled with opportunities to be helpful.”
— Dan Harris [28:21]

Scott reinforces this by sharing a real-life example where taking immediate action alleviated a young man's anxiety, highlighting the effectiveness of proactive behavior in managing stress.

Key Takeaways

1. Acknowledging the Crisis: Understanding the severity of mental health challenges among young men is the first step toward addressing them.

2. The Power of Social Connection: Building and maintaining positive relationships is crucial for mental well-being.

3. Redefining Masculinity: Embracing a healthier, more emotionally open version of masculinity can reduce toxic behaviors and promote resilience.

4. Practical Coping Strategies: Techniques such as cognitive behavioral therapy, self-compassion, and incremental exposure to fears are effective in managing anxiety.

5. Action as a Solution: Taking proactive steps, no matter how small, can significantly reduce feelings of anxiety and helplessness.

Conclusion

This episode of Lost Boys offers a thoughtful exploration of the mental health challenges facing young men today. Through insightful dialogue and practical advice from Dan Harris, listeners gain a deeper understanding of the root causes of anxiety and discover actionable strategies to foster resilience and happiness. The hosts successfully illuminate the path toward a more supportive and empathetic society for young men striving to overcome their struggles.

For more information, visit www.lostboys.men.

Transcript

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[Anthony]

Welcome to Lost Boys. In this podcast, my friend Professor Scott Galloway and I dig into the unique challenges young men are facing today and what we can do about it. In this episode, Scott and I talk with Dan Harris, the journalist and author of the best selling book 10% happier. Dan is a smart guy who has put a lot of thought into how we can all manage the stress and anxiety in our lives. Something that's very important for young men today. We talk about the hit Netflix series, everyone is talking about adolescents and we get some great advice from Dan on how young men and all of us can be more socially engaged. Here's my conversation with Scott Galloway and Dan Harris. So joining us now on Lost Boys is Dan Harris. He's a former CO anchor of ABC's Nightline. He's also on the weekend edition of Good Morning America on ABC News. He spent over two decades reporting on major national international events. A pivotal moment in his career was an on air panic attack in 2004 that prompted him to embark on a journey of self discovery, leading him to become a vocal advocate for meditation and mindfulness, particularly for skeptics of those things. He's the author of the best selling book 10% happier how I tamed the Voice in My Head. Reduce Stress Without Losing My Edge. I must say to Dan and Scott, I have sent that book out to probably 50 people. Dan, I'm a huge fan of that book. Thank you. And found self help that really works. A true story. And he's also got an application out there, 10% happier meditation app and podcast. So thank you for joining us Dan. The topics as I know Barbara has briefed you on, is our situation with America's men. You know, sort of the 18 to 35 year old who's gone wayward. Scott's got wonderful statistics on this. But before I bring you in, I just want to go to Scott for a second about the challenges that young men are facing. Everyone is talking about it. Scott, I give you a lot of credit for this because you've been chipping away at this, and now I'm starting to see a mushroom cloud of activity come out from you dropping the first bombs, I guess. Before we go to Dan, are we at an inflection point, sir, in terms of this issue?

[Scott Galloway]

Well, that's a generous thing to say, but yeah. And I first brought this up five years ago, and immediately the gag reflex was, you're a misogynist. Because all the people on this pod have had so much unfair advantage for so long that there was a natural resistance to talking about the struggles of young men. Because, let's be honest, we had a 3,000 year head start from 1945. For the next 60, 70 years, the greatest prosperity ever recognized in the modern economy was recognized in the US and it was sequestered even further. All of that prosperity was crowded into the 30% of Americans that had pale skin and outdoor plumbing. So naturally, people just weren't that empathetic. The conversation has changed so dramatically because the evidence, 4 out of 5 suicides are male, 12 times more likely to be incarcerated, 3 times more likely to be homeless or addicted. The data is so overwhelming. And the cohort I credit with that pivot in the conversation. The dialogue can be described in one word. Mothers, feminists, right wing, left wing, all have come together and said, something is going on with my son. And so the conversation has become a lot more productive. I can't. The difference between me going on a podcast and talking about this issue five years ago and the comments and the difference now is night and day. So I think the dialogue has gotten a lot more productive. And I'll use this as a segue to ask Dan a question. Dan, you really have to a certain extent. You know, we never talked about cancer, and then we started talking about cancer. I remember when my mom got breast cancer, I couldn't talk to my friends about it because it was embarrassing. And then we started talking about cancer openly, and it's been a huge unlock. And I think in the last 20 years, we've started talking about mental illness, and it's been a huge unlock. And one of the taboos that I think you have played a role in unlocking is men talking about anxiety, because for a man to admit that he was having a panic attack Made you less masculine, made you less strong. And you have done that. And the numbers, one in seven teens globally claim they have severe mental illness. People having panic attacks. Without getting into details, I have someone in my life that is struggling with anxiety and panic attacks. Can you talk a little bit about, not only you talk about how to address it, but have you given any thought to what we can do as a society to try and stem the flow of anxiety, of depression amongst our young people? I know you have kids. Any thoughts?

[Dan Harris]

I do. I do have thoughts. This is just a huge topic, so I'm trying to figure out where to start. I do want to just double click on what. That's such a douchey expression, but I'll use it anyway. On the point you just made, Scott. And about, you know, the, the need to rethink masculinity. And I know you've been working on a book along those lines and, and because I, because I listen to you a lot and I think it's incredibly important and I, I think you're right. We're at a moment where it is, it's feeling more and more urgent. You may have already addressed this, but the, you know, the Netflix show Adolescence, which is just incredibly powerful and really goes right at these issues. So, yeah, I spent a lot of time thinking about this and of both men and boys and women and girls and everything in between. We do have anxiety rising globally. And what can be done about it? Well, there are many, many things to say about this, but I would say the number one thing, and this is relevant to masculinity as well, is that we are isolated, lonely, disconnected, stuck in our own little worlds on our phones. And that is, I believe, one of the major contributors to this spike in anxiety we're seeing all over the place. We as a species did not get to the top of the food chain because we're the strongest. We have no talons, no wings, don't have sharp teeth. We're not particularly big when compared to other charismatic megafauna. We got to the top of the food chain because of our ability to cooperate, collaborate and communicate. All of that is militated against by most aspects of our modern culture, which emphasizes tech driven isolation, individualism, and this. If we don't have this social connection, if we don't have positive relationships, we wither. And to me, it just seems very clear that if we can get people to get more intentional about having positive relationships in their lives, it will go a long way toward addressing anxiety.

[Scott Galloway]

How would you do that? Like what program could we do such that? So first off, I agree we're mammals. Anyone who has dogs realize dogs when they're. The worst thing you can do to a dog is leave it alone. You put an orca in a tank alone, it literally goes crazy. And I would describe US as a 35% uptick in social anxiety among young people with COVID lockdowns. I saw it with my youngest, him not being. I thought he'd be fine. This is a chance to hang out with your parents and watch Netflix. He really struggled not being around a bunch of kids every day. I mean, really struggled. But what can we do recognizing where mammals and people need to be around each other, especially young people. What do you think we can do to just get kids in the company of other kids? And here's just another stat. The number of kids, high school kids, that sees their friends every day has been cut in half in the last 20 years.

[Dan Harris]

That's an incredible statistic and it's incredibly disturbing. I am not, just to be clear, much of a policy thinker, a systems thinker. I'm much more about what can you as an individual do? So I'll just put that out there as a caveat before I answer your question. I think for a parent, it's about thinking this through very clearly and understanding that if you're not helping your kid get FaceTime with other kids, you're hurting your child in not deliberately, but once you know, you know. And you can take better steps to make sure that your kids are getting that face to face interaction. Now if, if I'm directing my comments to somebody slightly older, a young man, or actually this could go for anybody who's feeling disconnected or lonely, the number one piece of advice is to volunteer. Get out there, do something useful for somebody else. This is the most empowering and ennobling thing you can. It reminds you of your own innate worthiness. It puts you in contact with other people. It's incredibly helpful.

[Anthony]

I want to talk about the toxic side of this, if you don't mind. Dan, when you're a social observer, it's the void. I mean, this is a theory I've tested on a few of our other guests. I want to get your reaction to it. Is the void getting filled by toxic masculinities? Avoid being. Getting. Getting filled by hyper masculinity.

[Dan Harris]

I worry about that. You know, it's interesting. My own life, you know, I look at the culture and I see many examples of toxic masculinity. I don't love that phrase because I Do feel like it has been weaponized a little bit to make men feel bad about being men. So I think it's accurate. There is for sure a version of masculinity that is quite toxic. So it's technically an accurate term. But sometimes there's something about the dialogue that has, I think, made it harder to reach men because we've, we've somehow sent the signal either explicitly or implicitly that you're wrong or bad for just having a penis. And so I, I, I do, I do want to just signal that I'm not trying to be overly. And this is another word that I worry about using, but overly woke here when I talk about toxic masculinity. I do see many, many avatars of unhealthy masculinity in the culture. The Tates, for example. But in my own life. Yeah, I don't know if you guys know Strauss Zelnick, the, the very successful businessman yet. Sorry, were you going to say something?

[Anthony]

Oh, no. I was going to let you know, Dan Strauss is a very close personal friend of mine and for 25 years.

[Dan Harris]

Okay, so you and I are connected by one degree of separation. Strauss is a very good friend of mine for about a decade, and I've been recently doing his work. He, he work out. He, he's, the guy's almost 68. He's in incredible shape for any age, and he works out every day. He's got this thing called the program. And a lot of young men are in the program. And I, I, I go once and meeting young men and these are like finance bros. Let me stop you.

[Anthony]

So, Scott, do you know Strauss? If you don't know Strauss, he's take two entertainment. He, I do invented. Okay, good. Grant that thought. And he, and he wrote a great book on this, by the way, on longevity, which I'd like to say that called ageless fitness. Exactly. I'd like to say that I adopted some of it, but I'm still eating junk food and fast food. But go ahead, Dan.

[Dan Harris]

You know, Strauss is not overly, like, finger wagging about, like, eating cookies. He eats cookies. It's more just like get, get active. Which I think is another, you know, get physically active. I think this is another great piece of advice for young men because it does put you in contact with other, other people if you're doing it, you know, in a, in a group setting. And it also is great for your mental health. But, but having said that, it's through the program, I've met a lot of young, like, finance bros guys who when I was growing up would have had, you know, a massive amount of casual mass misogyny just baked into their everyday conversation. And the young men I'm meeting are much more sensitive and that may, you know, sensitive in a good way. They're just, they're really earnest and, and interested in talking about improving their own mental health. And, and that may just be, speak to the type of people that Strauss attracts. But it's interesting to me because I do look at the culture and I see to your question, Anthony, that, that there are these great examples of how to do masculinity poorly. And then just in moving through the world, I see young men who are much less casually misogynistic than the world that I grew up in. And frankly, I hate to say this, that I participated in.

[Scott Galloway]

Yeah, I was just thinking I grew up on I Dream a Genie. Yes, master. Go to your bottle, Jeannie. I mean it's, I would say given what we were fed as young men, you know, we, I, I feel as if we should get an Alan Alda award. Anthony's holding up an I Dream a.

[Anthony]

Genie bottle, but also autographed by Barbara.

[Dan Harris]

See?

[Scott Galloway]

Oh, wow.

[Anthony]

Yeah. So I have, I have a free pass for my wife. It's. This will probably get cut out of the thing, but just so you know, I have a free password if I have dinner with her. I have dinner. I have dinner with Barbara once a year in June at the Beverly Hills Hotel in the Polo Lounge. Unfortunately, she brings her 92 year old chaperone who happens to be her husband. But any event, I thought you would enjoy that, Scott.

[Scott Galloway]

I love that. Seriously. That's a flex.

[Anthony]

That is, I mean, you know, Galloway, for somebody your vintage, this is a huge flex right here. Let me, let me just, let me just really name drop here. See this?

[Scott Galloway]

No, that's, that is very.

[Anthony]

All right, all right. I'm sure that's getting cut out, Harris, but that I had to flex that on Galloway. You know, he's got, he's got me by about 6 inches in height and God only knows what else. So I had a, had to flex that on him.

[Scott Galloway]

So Dan, returning to our regular scheduled program here, so you're, I'll paint a scenario for you. You're a 19 to 24 year old male and you're still living at home. You're struggling. You find that you're having a tough time connecting with school, connecting with work, connecting with potential friends or romantic partners and you find that your only kind of source of relief might be video games. Isolation, maybe porn. And you might recognize that you're struggling with stress or anxiety and you get into social situations and you get that feeling, your chest starts tightening, you start gulping for air and all you can think about is just getting out of that situation back to where you're comfortable again. Try and advise that young man or a young woman we all struggle with. I have panic attacks. I do 50 talks a year, ERA 0.66% of the time. Every 150 talks I have a panic attack. I can't figure out why it happens, but it feels like I'm dying on stage in front of 400 people and I have to stop to talk and everyone freaks out and is worried. Advise a young man or a young woman who recognizes they're having this panic and this anxiety on specific cognitive behaviors, practices that you have used that you think that they would benefit from.

[Dan Harris]

Well, one thing to say is if you're freaking out about exposing yourself to social situations and you're, you're young, recognize that this is not your fault. You're not, first of all, you're not alone. You're not like uniquely dysfunctional. This is very, very common. And it's my generation, our generation that created a world for you where you got insufficient training in how to do this. In part this is massively exacerbated by Covid, but in part because we as grown ups didn't really understand that we needed, we started helicopter parenting and we needed to create a world for you where you're out bumping up against other kids and getting scrapes and getting insults and learning how to build up your psychological immunity. And that's on us. And so what I want to first remove, hopefully is the shame. And then second, and this goes to masculinity. And I know this is something you think about a lot, Scott. It's like rethinking what is masculinity. Strength is part of it, but what is real strength? Real strength I like in Buddhism and I, I try to practice Buddhism. One of the ancient symbols is a lion, which is a great symbol of ferocity, but it has nothing to do with dominance. It has to do with the courage to face your own shit, to face your own mind. And that is what is required in order to do the work, to take the risk, to go out into social situations which is going to make you uncomfortable, to make you gulp for air, possibly to provoke a starburst of self critical thoughts in your mind. But that is courage. And how do you overcome fear? You face it in manageable little steps. So take a little risk. Divulge something personal to somebody you trust at work and see what happens. Go to the party that you otherwise wouldn't go to. But tell yourself you only have to go for five minutes. Baby steps of facing what scares you. And over time, it won't scare you as long as you did it in your life.

[Anthony]

Courage, Dan, you write beautifully about this. Give us a few examples of how you've done this in your own life.

[Dan Harris]

Well, I still have panic attacks right now. The big place of panic for me is claustrophobia. So I've had a lot of trouble over the last couple of years on elevators and airplanes. I to a certain extent blame Covid for this because when Covid hit, I moved to the suburbs. I wasn't in the city, I wasn't on elevators anymore, and I wasn't flying. And then when I went back to all of that, I really started to struggle. And panic feeds on itself. And so the only remedy is to face it, to actually put yourself in the situation that scares you. So I would literally ride elevators at the Westchester mall with my shrink, who would help me, you know, see, to work with cognitive behavioral therapy, which is a psychological term of art, to face what was scaring me, to learn how to engage in supportive self talk, to talk myself through it. And it really helped. And by the way, if you, we can go wherever you want here. But if you want a very specific answer to Scott's question earlier about cognitive behavioral therapy techniques to work yourself through the shit that scares you, whether it's social or anything else, I'm happy to talk about that because there's a lot to say there.

[Anthony]

Talk about it, if you don't mind.

[Dan Harris]

We, many of us believe that we have to have an inner drill sergeant in order to succeed. If we, if somebody else talked to us the way we talk to ourselves, we would punch that other person in the face. And we believe consciously or subconsciously that we need this inner drill sergeant in order to, to get anything done. In fact, all the data show that an inner coach is much more likely to get you to your goals. And this is referred to in the psychological literature as self compassion. So learning to talk to yourself the way you would talk to a good friend or to your kid or a mentee, There's a ton of data that shows that this is extremely helpful, especially in situations where you're scared. So you don't. I mean, it's very, very helpful to go into situations that scare you with a friend. And by the way, I would recommend that. But you can be your own friend in this regard and it's slightly cheesy, but just learning to talk to yourself this way and it just as a little technical tip here to use your own name when you're talking to yourself. So I just say, dude, like, dude, I'm getting on a plane. I'm worried about panicking in front of a bunch of strangers. Dude, like you can this is just going to be a bunch of physical sensations, breathlessness, pounding in the chest that you have experienced a million times and you're still alive. You can deal with this. That little, that ability to talk to yourself that way is a trainable skill for anyone and extremely helpful.

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[Scott Galloway]

Dan, you have kids, right?

[Dan Harris]

I have one 10 year old boy.

[Scott Galloway]

And when you hear, when you see a show like adolescence, when you hear about struggling young men, how has it changed your approach or informed your approach to fathering?

[Dan Harris]

Well, first of all, adolescents scared the shit out of me.

[Scott Galloway]

Really rattling.

[Dan Harris]

It's one of the most, just at a level of craft, one of the most in terms of the acting and the filmmaking and the writing. It's just one of the most extraordinary pieces of art I have personally consumed in a long time. And absolutely, you know, with a 10 year old boy, like I couldn't get him out of my head, my son out of my head throughout the whole thing. And so how does it impact my approach? First of all, I think a lot about making sure he has healthy relationships and we think he's an only child and so we think a lot about making sure he sees his cousins a lot and making sure that he has really good friendships that we are helping to nurture and that our house is a comfortable place for him and his friends to hang out. So I think about that a lot. And then second and again, I know this is something that you've spoken about a lot and you've been an inspiration for me in this regard. Scott is trying to both model and preach a little bit to the extent that preaching is ever successful with a child. A different concept of masculinity, that strength does not come from denying my emotions, from compartmentalizing from self medicating with alcohol. And I'm not saying that all drinking is bad, but if you're doing it not to feel your feelings, I worry about that. From showing respect to my wife in front of my son. I really think about trying to model a kind of fierce masculinity that is the ferocity that we referred to earlier in Buddhism of the ferocity that says, yeah, I have panic attacks and I can admit that to the world. I can talk to you, my son, about this, that hopefully normalizes it for you. So yeah, to me that's all part of raising a healthy boy slash man. Now, Anthony, I, you know, I don't.

[Anthony]

I don't really want to add to me adding anything with detract actually, because I think what you're saying is so, so direct. I guess. One, one final question for you, Dan, because I watched at Scott's suggestion. I follow, obviously we all follow Scott on social media. The whole world does. And I watched the whole show. I asked my wife and my mother in law to watch it. My mother in law turned it off. She said that she was getting anxiety. To quote her, I'm 79 years old, I'm getting too much anxiety and I shut it off.

[Dan Harris]

I get it.

[Anthony]

So that's my final question for you, sir. How do we get people to breathe through what they see going on in this generation of young men?

[Dan Harris]

Well, I think, I think it's totally fine not to watch adolescence. And I get it, it's incredibly stressful. It's also extraordinarily beautiful. But the larger thing is what you said there at the end, Anthony, about breathing through what's going on not only with men and boys right now, but also in the whole world. It's, this is a destabilizing time. So I'll leave you with one little axiom that's very helpful for me. And I think I spoke about this a little bit with Scott on Pivot a couple of months ago. Action absorbs anxiety. I love that. There is, there is so, it can feel so powerless to sit and watch adolescence or to watch the fucking news these days, for many of us, we feel totally powerless and helpless and then we get into a toilet vortex of anxiety. You have more power than you think you can take action in your sphere locally. It doesn't even have to have anything to do with the issue you're worried about. You could just be marginally more helpful to the people in your environment. As I often say, like, what's it like when you hold the door open for somebody, if you're paying attention in that moment, it feels good. That feeling is infinitely scalable. The world is filled with opportunities to be helpful.

[Scott Galloway]

So I have a fairly crass. But it's an honest story. I coach young men, and this kid is a junior college and doing okay, but having issues. Called me, and I could tell he was beating around the bush. And I said, what's wrong? And he said, I, you know, I had sex with a strange partner. I'm pretty sure he paid for it, but that's neither here nor there. And he said, and I'm feeling funny when I'm urinating, and I'm a little bit freaked out about it. And I said to him, and he said, and then he goes, but it's probably nothing. I'm sorry. And I could tell the moment he said it, he was really embarrassed. I'm like, boss today. Now get to the doctor. Get tested. On your way to the doctors, you're going to start feeling better because it's not the STD that you're going to regret if you have it or don't have it. It's how much anxiety you put yourself through.

[Anthony]

100%.

[Scott Galloway]

I'm like, get to the doctor now. Take charge. If you got something, if you got something, they can most likely address it, clear it up, because exactly what you're saying. And I realize this is, this is not a Hallmark Channel story, but the moment you start to take action against something, you start to relieve the anxiety. And he called me the next day and he was fine. And he was just like. You could just hear this giant fucking 24 hour, like, sigh of relief.

[Dan Harris]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Scott Galloway]

And I remember. I don't know if you guys remember, probably too much information, but in the, in the 90s, we were raised to believe that if you had unprotected sex, that MEANT you had AIDS. I grew up in San Francisco in the 90s, and if I had unprotected sex, immense. Oh, I'm Magic Johnson, but not as famous. I know I have aids. It's not a question. I know I have it now. And then what I started doing was regularly getting tested. And it just.

[Anthony]

Great story.

[Scott Galloway]

It just absolutely made me feel. Took all of that bullshit away because, well, you real. I love the work that my colleague Adam Alter does on End of Life. He goes into palliative care and he surveys people who are literally at the end of their life, which brings them a lot of perspective. And their regrets are in reverse order. They wish that they'd stayed in better touch with friends. Too. They wish they'd led the life they wanted to lead, not the life their church or their parents or society wanted them to lead. But their number one regret is they wish they'd been less hard on themselves. And the thing you were going to regret in your life is not getting fired. It's not the breakup. It's not a stock that gets cut in half. It's not the std. It's how much anxiety and punishment you put yourself through. That's the thing. Dying people regret. It's not what happened to them. It's how they responded to what happened to them. And to your point, and I say this, I constantly parrot you, Dan. Action absorbs anxiety. You got a problem, start to address it, and you immediately feel better.

[Anthony]

It's such a great lesson. I mean, if I. If this whole Lost Boys series, if people get out of it, that one sentence, the whole thing is worth it to me. It's such a great lesson. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna start saying that over and over again. Dan, thank you. And thank you, by the way, for joining us. We promise, in and out in 30 minutes.

[Scott Galloway]

And very, very grateful to most handsome voice in podcasting Dan Harris. Seriously, man.

[Anthony]

No doubt.

[Scott Galloway]

Seriously. So dreamy. Literally, listen to that voice.

[Dan Harris]

It's funny. My wife doesn't feel that way somehow. My voice, Harris.

[Anthony]

They never do. But thank you. Thank you, Mr. Dan Harris.

[Scott Galloway]

Thanks, Dan.

[Anthony]

On Lost Boys.

[Dan Harris]

It's a total pleasure. Big fan of both of you. Really appreciate you including me in this. Thank you.

[Anthony]

Bye bye. Thanks for joining us for this episode of Lost Boys. If you'd like more information, please go to our website, www.lostboys.men. in our next episode, Scott and I talk about the financial and economic challenges young men are facing today and how they are very different than when Scott and I were growing up. So be sure to, like, follow and subscribe to Lost Boys wherever you get your podcasts. And please share it with someone who cares about this or should care about this. And let's spread the word. Lost Boys is a production of Salt Media and the Casablanca Strategy Group. Barbara Fedita and Keith Summa are executive producers. Tanya Salotti is our researcher. Holly Duncan Quinn and Stanley Goldberg our editors. Special thanks to Christina Kasese, Mary Jan Rebus and Drew Burroughs.