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and some people don't. Thank it started Liberalism Mud Club can stop it. Click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or $9.99 a month to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of content creators and free speech. It's that time of year again, July. A time for patriotism, giving generosity, a cheerful heart, or hating your country and justifying it by perpetuating myths, lies, outright propaganda. Today we're going to go through the top five most common myths about the Founding Fathers and why you don't need to hate them in the way your teacher told you. Some of the Founding Fathers may have been LGBTQ the Founding Fathers were racist, misogynist, jerk faces.
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Everything Epstein did, the Founding Fathers did
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two and a half centuries ago.
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Why the Founding Fathers actually suck and were sh. Tty revolutionaries.
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Surely this isn't what the Founding Fathers intended. As it turns out. Kathleen yes it is. That's because the foundation of America was built on racism. Everybody knows that. Can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the government right off the top? Before I get to Myth one, as we do every show when we stream daily at 11am Right now we're on break 11am Eastern. We stream daily, we make the references publicly available, we give you a bibliography. All of our sources every day link in the description so you can peruse them and figure it out for yourself. Let's get straight to it. Myth number one. Very common. You've heard this. It's almost simply accepted as fact. Even though it couldn't be further from the truth that the Founding Fathers, they weren't really Christians. They were. At most they were Deists. Did you know many of America's Founding Fathers weren't Christian? They were Deists. Leaders like Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine believed in God but not organized religion. Christian nationalists like to pull out quotes from the Founding Fathers who are using religion for social order or tradition and then saying we are a Christian nation when really these are men of reason. They are deists before Darwin, just on pure, you know, reason and rationality alone. To say the US Was founded on Judeo Christian values not only fails to capture the diversity of religious thought in the thirteen Colonies, it passes over the influence of deism. Before I get to an important timeline here, let me establish the reality. The Bible is the single most cited book in all of the Founding Fathers writings. It's not even close. There Were studies. A joint study by professors from Indiana university, university of houston. And this study analyzed 15,000 writings by 55 framers of the constitution. They found that the founding fathers cited the bible by far more than any other book in their writings, making up approximately 34% of all attributable quotes to our founding fathers. There isn't even a distant second. Here's another reality. The continental congress's own official proclamations were explicitly, repeatedly, almost redundantly Christian. Let's go to 1774, the first prayer of the continental congress. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds. Shower down on them and the millions. They here represent such temporal blessings as thou seest. We don't use that term anymore, but it's a fun one. Ceased expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, thy son and our savior. He may want some wiggle room here and say, well, what do they mean by thy. To whom I'll just go with God. Jesus Christ is thy son, God's son. But that's an interpretation. Let's go to Benjamin Franklin, often cited as a deist his call for prayer. In 1787, he actually recommended, and this was famously so, Although for some reason it's not often taught in schools that the constitutional convention open with prayer. The deist Benjamin Franklin. He said, I have lived, sir, a long time. And the more I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, Is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? Go to 1776. Congress proclaimed days of fasting and thanksgiving annually throughout the revolutionary war, Asking all citizens to confess and bewail our manifold sins and transgressions, and by a sincere repentance and amendment of life appease his God's righteous displeasure and through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ, obtain his pardon and forgiveness. Still not convinced. 1777, Congress's Thanksgiving proclamation. They may join the penitent confession of their manifold sins, whereby they had forfeited every favor and their humble and earnest supplication that it may please God through the merits of Jesus Christ mercifully to forgive and blot them out of remembrance. Yeah, deists who seemed very adamant about marrying the concept of God, capital G, to thy son Jesus Christ. But, you know, they weren't religious. They were just spiritual, like a sorority girl. By the way I know we're on break right now. If you want to tune in and see more of this, we'll be back 11am Eastern Monday through Friday. That's when we live stream and we always provide the references. Happy fourth. Let's go on to myth number two. And this is one that is used very often if people accept the premise, okay, they were Christians, now we need to discredit them. Well, the founders, it doesn't really matter because how could they be Christians? They wholeheartedly supported, endorsed and practiced slavery.
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It's an embarrassing thing to admit, but the people who wrote the Constitution did not understand that slavery was a bad
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thing and did not respect civil rights. The document they produced was eventually signed but ultimately unfinished. It was stained by this nation's original sin of slavery. Our country was not founded on the principle that all people are created equal. It was founded at the expense of the lives, freedom and well being of black people, African folks who they stole. What is unique? No chattel slavery was not unique to the United States. But what was unique was was that we practiced chattel slavery while saying and professing these beliefs in equality and universal rights of men. So here's the reality. The founding fathers knew that they had to reconcile slavery, knew that something was going to need to change precisely because of the fact that they were God fearing men. Slavery was the norm. Took a while to change it. Let me give you some direct quotes again. Check the references. 1786. This is George Washington. There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do to see a plan adopted for this abolition of slavery. 1789 Benjamin Franklin. Again, slavery is an atrocious debasement of human nature. 1819 John Adams. Every measure of prudence ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States. This tells you how dishonest and or arrogant the left is. Took a while to fix. Yes, slavery was practiced many instances. You couldn't free your slaves legally until your death. Imagine thinking that these guys hadn't figured it out, had never given it any thought. And Pete Buttigieg is the one to enlighten humanity. Thank God for him in Traverse City. Myth number three, this is a very common one. And you'll actually hear people sometimes quote separation of church and state as though it's in the Constitution. So this myth is pretty much the founders intended very strict separation of church and state, specifically in what you know as the modern secularist sense.
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You can't have a discussion like this without talking about the Founders and what they personally believed. But really I think that that's largely irrelevant to the central question. Are we a Christian nation founded on Judeo Christian principles? Because even if they were Christians Bible beating Jesus rose from the dead Christians. That doesn't necessarily mean that they founded the nation on Judeo Christian principles.
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Well, they founded it on a godless and entirely secular constitution. So their religion was irrelevant.
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Exactly. And that's the critical fact. So even if they are Christian, which I think you can't make that case convincingly, we know that they built a a nation that was entirely secular and in which state and church were meant to be separate.
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For all the baggage that new media, social media comes with these instances, this is where it really shines. People like that used to be able to get away with, you know, if you really want to believe they were Bible beating, like Jesus rose from the dead Christian, you mean Christian. You want to go back to Jefferson, Franklin, George Washington, who specifically cited Jesus Christ thy son repeatedly more than any other book the Bible reference. This brings us to the reality the first Congress approved the First Amendment and a National Day of prayer to Almighty God in the Jesus Christ contextual sense on the same day. The reason that matters is because they're trying to make you believe that they've caught something the rest of us have missed. The Founding Fathers didn't miss it. You may not agree with them on everything, but to suggest that they are so idiotic as to approve the First Amendment and a national Day of prayer to Almighty God on the same day without understanding the implications is to be intellectually dishonest. Let me give you a timeline. 1789, April through May. Also our government hired and they would pay chaplains for House and Senate daily opening prayers. Then September 25, the final bill of Rights language was passed and that's where he had Budinot's Thanksgiving prayer resolution. September 26th. The Senate concurs and Washington issues the proclamation. They meant no. And I've talked about this. Thomas Jefferson writing in a private letter to the Danbury Baptist. You know, you do have to read some of the supportive texts, as you do with, by the way, any historical event, context or even religion. To give you a better picture, they were very clear that they didn't want a national denomination to be enforced. There was never the intention to keep God out of public life. As a matter of fact, the opposite of that. That's why they declared a National Day of prayer on the same day as the First Amendment. You're talking about the same Congress. By the way, just for more context, that funded military chaplains, the Indian missions, Bible distributions, while they were writing no establishment, while they were writing the First Amendment. These things were happening at the same time. They didn't miss it. And other people before podcast hosts or think tank fellows didn't miss it either. That's why you go to the Marsh vs Chambers Supreme Court decision. In 1983, the Supreme Court affirmed all this in a case regarding the constitutionality of opening legislative sessions with prayers when it stated it can hardly be thought that in the same week members of the First Congress voted to appoint and to pay a chaplain for each house and also vote to approve the draft of the First Amendment for submission to the states that they intended the establishment clause of the amendment to forbid what they had just declared acceptable. And that's actually pretty soft language. They didn't declare it acceptable. They effectively codified was proactive, not reactive. Myth number four. I can't believe that anyone still tries to force this one upon you, but they do. The idea that the founders actually modeled their representative government after the Native American model. Long before 13 British colonies made themselves into the United States, the Six nations of the Iroquois Confederacy, Seneca, Cayuga, Onondaga, Tuscarora, Oneida and Mohawk had created a union of their own that they called the Haudenosaunee, a democracy that had flourished for centuries.
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Here's the reality. No, of course Native Americans did not practice democracy, certainly not in the way that you know it, unless it includes scalping and burning alive. I know you'll say, oh, we scalped too. No, no, not the way that they did. So really, the claim there that they're trying to reference, it's referring to the Iroquois Confederacy, which was a defense agreement between tribes. It was not in fact, a democracy. For more proof, you need to look at the fact that members of tribes fought against each other on both sides of the American Revolution. What do you think? They voted to which sides? They would fight each other and kill each other. No, this defies reason. Obviously, the founders looked to not Native Americans, places like Rome, Greece for inspiration. The Federalist Papers were written under the pseudonym Publius1 of, of course, the founders of the Roman Republic. Not shitting bear. 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Become a subscriber, get 40% off for life. Go to foundationdaily.com it does not cure cancer and it won't grow 20 pounds of muscle. Which brings us to myth that the founders believed in universal suffrage and they wanted a one person, one vote system. Make no mistake, our democracy is being tested in this election. This is a stress test of the ideals upon which this country was founded. And the basic rule of one person, one vote that still carries, and it has to carry here. One person, one vote. Everything about the Constitution and the design of America from the very beginning until today points in one direction. Which is one person, one vote, which means everybody gets equal power. It's the colloquial term for political equality, meaning that everyone is. Everyone is a political equal. Everyone is equal at the ballot box. Okay, here's the reality. Not only did the founding fathers never intend for everyone to vote, they were very clear that not everyone should vote. And pure democracy would effectively be tearing down the country that they created. This is a representative, a constitutional republic which is meant to represent those who can build, sustain and keep a country. They were actually discussing, if you look at the 1787, the Constitutional Convention, not only was universal suffrage not in the table, the opposing sides on the voting issue, they were debating exactly how to restrict voting, whether to expand it was not on the table. It was specifically, how do we restrict it so that we can have a representative government that is most representative of those who can serve, build and sustain this country? John Adams actually stated this. He said, the doctrine of universal suffrage is so manifest a courtship to the mob as to need no comment. Then he goes on to give a comment. I love it when they do that. I will not waste my time, sir, how much do you have? But it never can succeed for any length of time. These good creatures never look forward for two days. The mob must ever be in the power of government. Government Never in the power of the mob. Property is universally and eternally irreconcilable with universal suffrage. It is dangerous to open so fruitful a source of controversy and altercation as would be opened by attempting to alter the qualifications of voters. There will be no end to it. New claims will arise, women will demand a vote, lads from 12 to 21 will think their rights not enough attended to, and every man who has not a farthing will demand an equal voice with any other in all acts of state. It tends to confound and destroy all distinctions and prostrate all ranks to one common. Now I know people who are perpetually offended will take that and go, well, you can't take what he said seriously. He doesn't think that women should have a vote. We've done installments on specifically women voting, universal suffrage. Keep in mind the context. This is someone who reviled slavery, thought it was abhorrent, knew that it would have to be corrected in the future. He didn't just list women, he also listed lads from 12 to 21. He specifically went out of his way to describe people who have no skin in the game. Not a farthing means they're not earners, they would not be paying into the system, they would not be contributors, they should not be allowed to vote self gain from the contributors. This wasn't an accident. It was very, very proactive, concerted, specific and reiterated to the point of redundancy. All of these points, all of these myths have been addressed ad nauseam as to remove all doubt. I highly recommend that you go and check out the links, read more supportive documents, read them for yourself, and then I want you to juxtapose that to the arguments, including the people you've seen in these clips that are being made out there, and ask yourself, my gosh, if they went out of their way this number of times, like I said, to the point of redundancy, how could someone be misinterpreting this and then playing a game of telephone with students? The answer is they're not misinterpreting it. It's not a mistake. They're deliberately lying about it. This is not a gray issue. This is black and white. Founding fathers of this country were Christians. They believe that this country could only be a constitutional representative republic and would only be adequate for a free but moral and Christian people. And that said government should represent only those who could create, sustain, fight for a country of meaning. The founding fathers, of course, we all know they were very flawed men, just like any other men or women. Throughout history. They were flawed men who knew that they needed God. And that's precisely why they built the representative republic. That they did. Check the references. I hope this helps. Go tell your teacher that they suck.