Arrested, Charged, & Sentenced in 5 Hours: Ash Wednesday with Tommy Robinson

Summary

Louder with Crowder: "Arrested, Charged, & Sentenced in 5 Hours: Ash Wednesday with Tommy Robinson"

Date: March 27, 2026
Host: Steven Crowder
Guest: Tommy Robinson
Theme: Free speech, Islamization of Europe, political persecution, and resistance to media narratives

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Episode Overview

In this gripping discussion, Steven Crowder welcomes British activist Tommy Robinson for his 8th–12th appearance, centering on Robinson's ongoing legal battles in the UK, the erosion of free speech, and the broader transformation of British society in the face of mass immigration and Islamization. Crowder and Robinson contrast American and European attitudes toward free speech and discuss the limitations imposed on dissent in the UK. The episode is punchy, controversial, and frank, delving into Robinson’s firsthand persecution, the complicity of media and state institutions, and urgent political challenges both in Britain and the U.S.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Free Speech: U.S. vs. UK & Europe

• Crowder highlights the unique American protection of free speech and how it’s underappreciated compared to Europe, where context doesn’t protect controversial statements ([03:14–03:36]).
• Robinson addresses how the UK and Europe now “live in a post-free speech era”:

  “There’s no free speech. In fact, free speech is their enemy. Totally their enemy. They have to control, censor, they need the narrative and the lengths they’ll go to...” ([03:14])

• Example: Cites a Scottish comedian prosecuted over a joke without any complaints made; context deemed irrelevant by the courts ([03:57–04:27]).

2. Media Persecution & Legal Harassment

• Robinson recounts his recent prison sentences, including an 18-month term for a factual documentary and facing another possible 10-year sentence for seeking accountability from journalists who endangered his family ([04:27–09:41]).
• The mainstream UK media and the judiciary are described as “weapons of the state,” aiming to silence and scapegoat dissenters by associating them with violence, regardless of the facts ([05:07–08:01]).
• Robinson's tactic: flipping the script by turning cameras on the journalists. This escalated his legal troubles, as merely seeking interviews was framed by police as a threat ([09:41]).

3. Islamization and Demographics

• Robinson: UK towns have seen dramatic demographic shifts, leading to “white English becoming a minority”; cites his own hometown, now 50% Kashmiri/Pakistani with 45 mosques ([12:55–14:17]).
• Highlights:
  • Firsthand experiences of terror, rape gangs, and violence; asserts most Americans “haven’t lived what we’re living in Europe.”
  • Criticizes American commentators (e.g., Tucker Carlson) downplaying the dangers, calling them out as “traitors to your nation” ([12:55]).
• Opposes the notion of a “Muslim-Christian alliance”—“There will never be a Muslim-Christian alliance because we have 1,400 years of history that tells us that" ([14:17]).

4. Immigration, Political Strategy, and Cultural Survival

• Discusses how open immigration policies and reluctance to confront Islamization are dooming Western societies ([15:45–16:33]).
• Touches on conspiracy theories (e.g., that Israel and Jews are orchestrating immigration for destabilization) and dismisses them, focusing instead on Gulf states like Qatar funding mosque expansion in the West ([15:45–16:33]).
• Warns demographic change will marginalize native populations and replace them with “reliant voters,” furthering state dependency and eroding national identity ([59:06–60:32]).

5. Political Persecution—Parallel to U.S. Trends

• Emphasizes the use of legal/judicial tools to attack political opponents, paralleling the prosecution of Trump and others in the U.S., and citing his own repeated imprisonments as part of a “weaponization of the courts” ([53:03–54:56]).
• Notes the role of fear and intimidation—comedians, mothers (jailed for tweets), critics of migration policy all face “example-setting” punishments to stifle dissent ([35:00]).

6. Political Change, Activism, and Hope

• Robinson expresses newfound optimism:
  • Collaboration among British dissident influencers (Katie Hopkins, Carl Benjamin, Lawrence Fox), for a cultural and political movement focused on British identity and values ([45:41–48:48]).
  • Huge street rallies (up to 100,000 people)—evidence, he says, of a country ready for political change ([48:48–49:34]).
  • Key coalition principles: against mass immigration, Islamization, LGBTQ indoctrination, for free speech and Judeo-Christian values ([45:41–48:48]).

7. Failure of Political Leadership & Urgency

• Criticizes Nigel Farage for “surrendering” to multiculturalism and failing to address demographic change ([55:35–57:34]).
• Predicts that unless there is imminent, radical change, Britain will cross a demographic tipping point by 2041:

  “White English are [a] minority in England. That cannot be allowed to happen.” ([56:13])

• Expresses urgency: “We are in a race against time” and warns only a rapid, firm transition of government can forestall irreversible change ([61:09]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tommy Robinson on Free Speech Loss:

  “We live in a post free speech era across Europe. There's no free speech… they have to control, censor, they need the narrative.” ([03:14])

• Crowder on American Uniqueness:

  “America is the greatest country in the world… because it has the First Amendment, freedom of speech.” ([02:44])

• Robinson on Media Collusion:

  “A totalitarian state has tentacles… judiciary, the politicized judiciary… weaponize the courts, they can weaponize the media.” ([04:41])

• On Islamization:

  “There will never be a Muslim Christian alliance because we have 1400 years of history that tells us that.” ([14:17])

• On Political Urgency:

  “We are in a race against time… unless there is imminent, radical change… Britain will cross a demographic tipping point.” ([61:09])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [01:17] – Show opens & Tommy Robinson introduction
• [02:30–03:36] – American free speech vs. European censorship
• [04:27–09:41] – Robinson’s prison sentences, media persecution, legal persecution for confronting journalists
• [12:55–14:17] – State of Islamization in UK towns, demographic change, criticism of American right’s naivety
• [14:17–16:33] – Rejection of “Muslim-Christian alliance” and critique of blame-shifting to Israel
• [22:33–23:41] – Demographic/IQ discussion, Persian vs. Arabic Muslims, exodus from Islam in Iran
• [35:00–36:51] – Political persecution of women activists and dissidents, consequences of social control
• [45:41–48:48] – Organization of British dissident movement, street rallies, vision for political/cultural opposition
• [55:35–57:34] – Criticism of Farage, urgent need for a real political alternative that addresses Islamization
• [61:09] – Warning of direct democracy and the effect of demographic change on voting/block voting

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Tone and Language

• Frank, confrontational, defiant: Both Crowder and Robinson pull no punches, using humor and provocation in equal measure.
• Emotionally charged: To convey urgency and frustration, especially around media manipulation, violence, and cultural survival.
• Occasional humor: Crowder and Robinson joke about their own predicaments, media portrayals, and even their critics.

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Final Thoughts

Robinson and Crowder close by emphasizing the existential stakes for the West, urging activists to unite around preserving culture and free speech. They agree that unless decisive political intervention occurs soon, demographic and legal trends will irreversibly transform the UK (and possibly the U.S.). Robinson urges listeners to seek out his documentaries and warns that establishment attacks are only increasing as grassroots resistance grows.

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Where to Find Tommy Robinson

• X (Twitter): @TRobinsonNewEra
• YouTube: Tommy Robinson Online
• Rumble, trfilms.co.uk, trbooks.co.uk (Robinson refrains from explicitly promoting links to avoid additional legal risk)

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“Islam is a problem in the west, and AIPAC is gay.” — Tommy Robinson ([63:06])

Transcript

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[Steven Crowder]

Welcome to Ash Wednesday. And sometimes it's on Wednesday, sometimes it's not. Right? It's just, it depends. And thank you guys for coming in watching here on Rumble today on the show. Gosh, I don't know if this is his. Somewhere between like his 8th and 12th appearance. Tommy Robinson, the hooligan from Luton, they call him, I call them that. And just what is your. Your, your x and your YouTube handle, just to be clear, because I had Tommy Robinson minus T Robinson era on

[Tommy Robinson]

X, T Robinson new era on X, close new era and on YouTube. Tommy Robinson online.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Tommy Robinson]

YouTube only got back two weeks before I was getting out of jail. Just. I got out of jail in May and two weeks while I was getting out, I rang home, my son said, Your YouTube channel's back. Because they totally got rid of it.

[Steven Crowder]

Really?

[Tommy Robinson]

You elected Donald Trump. The ripple started spreading. Yeah, I got my channel back.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I voted for him. I didn't elect him.

[Tommy Robinson]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

Quite a few more people than that. Yeah, I know it's different from the parliamentary system, but you still do need to win a lot of votes.

[Tommy Robinson]

America, the ripple from the United States has come into Europe and scared the out of our politicians.

[Steven Crowder]

I can't, honestly, I can't believe that you'll be going back. I just, I, if I were you, I'd just stay stateside at this point. I mean, you guys have no freedom of speech.

[Tommy Robinson]

I faced 10 years in October, I'm in court in October, twice. 26th October. I face a 10 year prison sentence.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

For asking journalists questions.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, don't face it, just don't go back.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah,

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, that's the same, like,

[Tommy Robinson]

you make your sound easy.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, I know, I know. But it's just, I mean, that's one thing that people don't realize here in the States. Like, I did a change of my mind. America is the greatest country in the world. And funny enough, I actually did it at the Democratic Convention in Texas. We rented a booth, we created a fake organization, the Open Minds foundation for America, and just set up a change my mind. And I never got past like, well, one of the reasons I think it's the greatest country is the First Amendment, freedom of speech. And not a single leftist realized that this is the only country that has it enshrined. And so it didn't go any further in the conversation because that's it. That's enough.

[Tommy Robinson]

You are the only place. I don't know if I don't know how much or I can see people value free speech here, but I don't know if you know what it's like when you don't have free speech. We live in a post free speech era across Europe. There's no free speech. In fact, free speech is their enemy. Totally their enemy. They have to control, censor, they need the narrative and the lengths they'll go to. To control the narrative and shut people down. Yeah, it's insane.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I mean, I was, you know, raised in Canada, was born in Detroit. To be clear, we're trying to find out how I can officially renounce my Canadian citizenship. Like on air. I guess I've done it unofficially, but it's a whole process. And so I've had friends, you know, who've been either facing jail time or put before human rights tribunals just for jokes. Not even offensive speech, actual jokes. Comedians.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, they changed the context. Context doesn't matter, they said, because we had a comedian up in Scotland who made a joke with his dog, do you remember it? The little nuts.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh yeah, he just did the Hail Hitler pug dog. Which by the way, objectively hilarious.

[Tommy Robinson]

Hilarious. Yeah. But then when you listen, no one made a complaint, so not one person made a complaint, but the police decided. And then when he explained the context, the judge said Context doesn't matter. So even they took just the little section of what he said and then prosecuted him under it and convicted him under it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

Now, I just got an 18 month prison sentence for a factual documentary.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. How many prison sentences have you had now?

[Tommy Robinson]

Probably five, six, five.

[Steven Crowder]

And you're facing another one for 10 years. What's that one over that one?

[Tommy Robinson]

This most recent one is. I turned the camera on the journalists. Now, once you understand and understand that the, the mainstream media is a weapon of the state. Right. So they work together. I'd say a totalitarian state has tentacles and it's the judiciary, the politicized judiciary, the wet. They can weaponize the courts, they can weaponize the media. And if they want to put a target on you, they can come for you with any one of their weapons, the tax office, anything.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

So that's what they. When the riots were going on last year in the uk, this is after Axel Ruder cabana, who butchered three children to death, stabbed another seven at a Taylor Swift dance class. Do you remember it? And he done this. And then the, the government and the police hid from us that he had an Al Qaeda manual. They hid from us. He had rice in. And they told us it had nothing to do with terrorism. They lied to the public, the public knew they were lying. And frustrations boiled over because many of the hotels that the migrants are being put in, it all, it all come to a head because they're leaving the hotels and they're raping women, they're leaving the hotels and committing acts of jihad and terrorism. And in towns and cities across our country now, everyone's affected by it. But at this time, when, when this went on, they tracked me down. The minute, the minute the riots started happening on the first day, Metropolitan Merseyside Police come out and made a comment about the English Defence League now saying it was the English Defence League. Now, I started the English defense league in 2009. It was a street protest movement. And I led it to 2014, at which point it disbanded when I left. Yeah. So there's been no English Defense League for a decade.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

The minute they mentioned English Defense League, I knew. I thought, they're coming for me on this. They're gonna, they're gonna put this on my lap.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And even though all of my videos denounced violence, and whilst the riots were going on, I wasn't even in the country, I was on, I was wearing my children. And whilst the rights were going on, I made video after video saying, take the balaclavas off. Stop attacking things, stop attacking police. Don't attack it. Buildings to stop, just stop doing it. None of that mattered. And they tracked me down where I was on the second day of my holiday with my children. And they posted a picture of my family, my ex wife. We live under Osman. Warnings, death threats, terrorism threats. There's been people doing 30 years who got caught with guns and bombs on the way to kill me. My ex wife, ex wife now has had threats from the police intelligence. They want to put acid in her face. My mum's had the same. And here was the national newspaper tracked us down. They put me on the front page of the newspaper and they said stoking riots from his sunbed. Now I wasn't stoking rights from his. What, some. Some bed. They had a picture of me on my sunbed. I was guy. Okay. I was out of shape. My little bed.

[Steven Crowder]

I thought. I thought it was maybe an English term. I wasn't familiar with it.

[Tommy Robinson]

So I was laying like this around the pool.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And then they've done a five. Like a good four. Like I was on the front page. Multiple pages inside. They tracked, they followed me. They had pictures of me in the gym with what they said was my daughter on the machine next to me. So they run all these images. They give the location of where I was. I told people where I was. The next day, group men started turning up at the hotel. I had to hide. The hotel management come to me and said, look, please don't come out of your room. Yeah, we need. We've got security coming. But I got threats to murder my family. All of this. I had nothing to do with stoking riots. I hadn't stoked riots. But then they give themselves an award. This was the Daily Mail newspaper. They gave themselves an award. And in the award they give themselves, they said that they managed to make me the image of the riots, right, so which was their focus.

[Steven Crowder]

And you know why they put you on a sunbed, right? They try to put you on sunbed. It's like, see, he's not want to go out and fight his own battles. Yeah, that's.

[Tommy Robinson]

He's running left the country. So Keir Starmer, my Prime minister, said, some people have just fled the country. I was out of the country before. Anyway, it started, yeah, but then they. This is what. So they used the media to pump this story to the public, to tell the entire British Muslim community. I was organizing attacks against their mosques. No truth in any of this, right? So what I did is the next day I looked at the names of the journalists that run the story. I rang them and I said, you've endangered my children. Yeah, I'm coming. And you're now the topic of my story. So I sent. I sent covert teams to record them. So I got images of them like they've done it to me.

[Steven Crowder]

And let me guess, that didn't go well with the judge.

[Tommy Robinson]

Oh, well, it hasn't gone with the police. I haven't been before a judge yet. Okay. But when I was. It was a week before I was getting out of jail this time. And a week before I come in, they come and prosecuted me and what they say. So whereas they published images of my family, I obviously got images of them and their family, but I blurred all their family out. And when I published the image of the journalist, I said, meet. I'm not allowed to mention his name. Me, this man who endangers children. Because they didn't. They. I'm used. And I'm not saying they can't run the hit stories on me because I don't really care, because they've done it for 15 years. My point is, don't locate my family. Don't put images of innocent people, which they done. So when I published a picture, I blurred out their family. I blurred out anything that could identify where they are. And in my. In my message, I said, I will never show your family and I will never let people know where you are because that is morally bankrupt. You are cowards. What you've done to my family. Yeah, but you're gonna answer questions. I'm coming to find you with a camera and I'm coming to ask you questions. I face 10 years in prison for saying, I'm coming to ask them questions.

[Steven Crowder]

Wow.

[Tommy Robinson]

They say that I should have known that that would make them feel in fear. Even though my daughter. I've got messages from my daughter. When they published it all, my daughter messaged her mum saying, mom, I'm terrified. I'm reading all the comments. People want to rape us. They want to kill you. They're coming looking for us. What are we going to do? So even though they located my family, people actually made videos, Muslims saying, this is the hotel he's in. Go and get him. Another Muslim, some pirate from Somalia done a video rapping another one, done one with a machine gun, which I know you've got lots of guns here, but, yes, they don't have guns in the uk. Well, the criminals do. So they've done a video, a machine gun. So it's like, so You've done that to me. 8. 8 million. They're talking like I had 8 million people viewed their stupid lying story. And then because I. Because I turned the camera around, that's all I've done is turn the camera around. Said, right, let's. I'm coming to ask you some questions, guys.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, that's it.

[Tommy Robinson]

Bang. They come for me. They used the law.

[Steven Crowder]

Was it at least a flattering picture on the sunbed?

[Tommy Robinson]

No, that's what I was gu.

[Steven Crowder]

About.

[Tommy Robinson]

That's my mate. That was my main concern.

[Steven Crowder]

Me some warning.

[Tommy Robinson]

8 million people look at me flabber, my little belly hanging out.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. That's the greatest crime in all this. I do notice that the. The Islamists, the. In their threats, they really like going to the rape card. Whether you're a woman or a man. It's their go to. Because it's a power thing in there. I. One time my dad got cut off by a cab driver in Montreal. And my dad was like, hey, man, what's your. And the guy got out. He said, I'm going to you.

[Tommy Robinson]

Your mom.

[Steven Crowder]

No, he said, you. He said, I'm going to you before you go home. Like the timeline mattered. I'm like, if you rape him, it's bad enough. And as a kid, I was in the back, I said, that makes you gay. And my dad was like, shut the up, okay? But I remember him saying that. That's right. It's a power move. Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

No, to them it's okay if you give it.

[Steven Crowder]

But that is because. And I know I would say I'm even further to the right of you on Islam in the sense that I know there are plenty of moderate Muslims, and I would say they're largely secular Muslims because we've seen this problem in the state, the political prescription of Islam, and there is a political prescription, that's why it's different from other religions, is irreconcilable with the Constitution in America. And so I know that there are Muslims who don't want people to be hurt or support terrorism, but they're not gonna stop them. It's one of the religions that is, frankly, it almost needs to be denounced to be an American citizen because it requires usurping American laws. We need to definitively say, do you reject this component of this sect of Islam? That would actually be contradictory to our laws. That's something. And then no one wants so. And I know that I don't want to put you in hot water, but because you don't, you can't even say the name you said, like, I'll say his name is. I can say that in the States.

[Tommy Robinson]

Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

That's his. Yeah. Oh, there you go. So explain though, to people here in the who may not know. And by the way, I think, like I said, I'll get. Sometimes people, no matter what you do on social media, they get mad. They're like, oh, if you're, you're a coward unless you have Tommy Robinson on. I'm like, but I have. There. I'm on again. I'm like, fine.

[Tommy Robinson]

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Yeah. On every issue. I read some comments online. Really?

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, I've.

[Tommy Robinson]

Where have you been?

[Steven Crowder]

I have pretty good track record of having anyone on who will have a conversation in good faith and being pretty clear about where I line up. Explain to Americans, though, because I've talked about this as a half Canadian, what has happened to the UK because there also is an undercurrent right now of people saying, actually Islam, even on the right, it's a small faction, Islam's not a problem.

[Tommy Robinson]

Actually, they are such. They're like, no, no, I'm telling you, they're lying. They're acting like traitors to your nation. I've seen Tucker Carlson talk about it. It's just like, really? So you're actually going to lie to the American public that Islam's not a danger just because you have this disagreement, whether it be with is or because Qatar are funding you or whatever's happening? And lots of the commentators on the right, and I think for the problem for Americans is you haven't lived what we're living in Europe, so we're surrounded by them. In my hometown, there's 45 mosques. White, English are minority, 50% Kashmiri, Pakistani. I've seen the rapes. My family have been affected by it. Terrorism, jihad, the hostility, the violence. So whether it be me in the UK or someone in Sweden or someone in Germany and someone in France, we get it. Yeah, right. But then we've got some commentators in the United States who doesn't know a single Muslim, hasn't experienced anything sitting telling us we need a Muslim Christian alliance. I said, well, you tell that to the last 1400 years of victims of Christians. What's the Christian population in Syria and what was it? Right? It's gone down to what, 0.2% has it from what? What about Iraq, Afghanistan? I don't want to hear Tucker Colson tell me how good and how great you can have an alliance with Muslims in Islam. I want to hear from the Christians who live under Islam. I want to hear from the minorities that are persecuted, raped and pillaged by Islam. I want to hear from the ex Muslims who can't actually speak freely because they're going to get killed because they're apost. Or I want to hear from people who have experienced it in the UK and, and actually understand what's going on.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

So I don't need some commentator who has absolutely no idea telling me about a Muslim Christian alliance because there will never be a Muslim Christian alliance because we have 1400 years of history that tells us that. Not since 1948.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

This didn't start in 1948.

[Steven Crowder]

I know, okay. I know it's mad people don't know where the term leatherneck comes from. With our Marines, it was to fight off Islamic Somali pirates.

[Tommy Robinson]

Actually that was, it's just mint. So I'll see.

[Steven Crowder]

But as he advocated for. I just want to be clear because I don't know as he advocated for a Muslim Christ Christian alliance or I've also heard the argument from people saying, well, actually the Islamic problem is orchestrated by Israel and the Jews because of displacing them and then demanding other nations take them. Now that's an argument that I'll. I think there's a discussion to be had as far as I've heard that.

[Tommy Robinson]

But the same people that say that.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

Are the people who are against the Ayatollah being removed now? The Ayatollah and Iran are funding the Muslim Brotherhood in Sudan. Many of the migrants coming to my country right now are from Sudan because there's a jihad waged in Sudan. So many of them are fleeing from Sudan or they're coming from Yemen, which is being bombed from Saudi Arabia. So it's like the counter argument is, well, there's wars going on everywhere. Yeah. Right. So it's not specifically just Israel, but when you're talking about that, they're the point in coming here. So I say, well, where are we now? We're in Dallas. Yeah. You've got an epic center mosque there that I went to the other day. You've got huge. It's not a mosque, it's a compound. It's a village. It's got medina villas, it's every shop is now Islamic. So I said, who's funding that? Is it Israel? Because those are the bases which are being built. You've got 330 mosques now in, in Texas.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

Who's funding them? Yeah, the people that you're sitting sucking up to going and sitting on stage within guitar. That's who's funding it. So the money's coming into your nation and the purpose of that. So when they talk about. The reason why I get irate about it is because they've spent a billion pound in my country.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

So Qatar spent a billion pound. Two is like Islamophy. And then I hear the argument, well, they're flooding, like Israel's purposely doing this and they're flooding our countries with. With Muslim immigration to destabilize us so that we lose our nations. So say that was the goal. I don't understand why it would be the goal. Because if it was the goal, and Britain is taken over because they're all going to be taken over by Islamics, by Islamists, and then all these countries become Islamic. Where Israel's gone anyway.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

Because if Britain becomes an Islamic state and Germany becomes an Islamic state and Europe becomes the Islamic state, you're on your way. See you later, Israel.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

Because the minute they get the power, it's like you can't. And when they're weighing up even the Iranian situation, I think we're not dealing with people who are thinking logically here. If they can press a button and get rid of America, they don't care if you're going to shoot a missile back. They're going to press it instantly because they're going straight up there.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Well, I always say there's. Look, there's an important delineation to make where people go, the Jews have an interest in Iran. I go, absolutely. But to say only the Jews, no, that's inactive.

[Tommy Robinson]

China have it. Russia have it. In fact, what Donald Trump done by removing the Venezuelan president, he's fucked China. Yeah. And he's doing it again now in Iran. Now, everyone I've spoke to in security services or people in this country, I spoke to General Flynn, I spoke to lots of people, and I keep asking, what's the biggest threat to America?

[Steven Crowder]

Sleeper cells.

[Tommy Robinson]

Many of them say, well, a lot of them are saying China. A lot of them are still saying China. So Donald Trump isn't just. I don't know if America have gone in for the greater good of the 90 million people enslaved by Islam in that country, or they've gone in for security for the national interests of your country.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

Because of what China are doing. They're isolating China. There's. They're literally. So who knows? But I trust in Donald Trump more than I trust in the European Union, more than I trust in any of our leaders.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

You elected him with trust to do what's right for your country. Yeah, he sort of has done what's right for you.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I mean, stood on.

[Tommy Robinson]

He stood on the front line for you.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. I mean, I think it's perfectly fine to maintain a position like, yeah, sure, we get into 3 to 4 billion to Israel. I don't think we should be. I don't think we should be sending a bunch of money or a blank check. Let's have that discussion. But that doesn't mean that every single move that's made against the threat of Islam is only in the interest of Israel. And that whole conversation has just been abandoned now, where, by the way, just to be clear, you're not being paid $7,000 by the Jews to appear today.

[Tommy Robinson]

They owe me millions. It's like I do it happily.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, I wouldn't bet on them to pay you back because that stereotype, you know, they're miserly.

[Tommy Robinson]

Do you know, like, I look here and think, well, so people. So people say Israel controls America. Yeah, that's what they're saying. Well, well, through Israel, which America Fund, they've just obliterated all these nations when if it was America obliterating them, there might be a big backlash from the American public. So is it Israel using America or is America using Israel? Is. Is Israel a base there for the United States, for their interests in the Middle East? And then they can always blame Israel. Who knows? So we. We're never going to know.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, I think it comes down to, like, sometimes, you know, it's tough. You have to distill it. Is Islamic encroachment good for Western civilization? In other words, what does that look like? I think we kind of have the blueprint with the UK and we don't want that. I mean, we have it here in Tech, not Texas, but in Michigan, you know, Dearborn. This is what happens with social media. I did a video 11, 10 years ago, started trending again, where I went around asking for a gay wedding cake at Muslim bakeries.

[Tommy Robinson]

Oh, was that 11 years ago?

[Steven Crowder]

That was 11 years ago. But you probably saw it recently.

[Tommy Robinson]

I've just seen it last week.

[Steven Crowder]

So someone ripped it and put it up. You know, it was like Steven Crowder just. And I was like, look, I appreciate you posting it, but this didn't just happen. And the reason it mattered is because that was happening 10 years ago.

[Tommy Robinson]

You knew the problem was there 10 years ago.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, then the point I was making 10 years ago is there was one Christian bakery that said, well, we'll bake you a cake. But we're not gonna. We're not gonna take part in a gay wedding. And when I did that video, you can go and watch it. I said, now, to be fair, there were some bakeries that were willing to take part, but many weren't. And you only need one because this Christian bakery's been run out of the. Run out of business.

[Tommy Robinson]

They've done the same in Northern Ireland.

[Steven Crowder]

But then they took the clip people out there on social media and go, not one Muslim bakery. No, that's not what I said. First off, this was meant to be entertaining, taking a piss, as you guys say. So it's always a challenge where you're making a point and it gets distorted by people pursuing clicks. And you've been around a long time. I mean, I remember having you when you were sort of coming up building more of an online presence, probably close to, if not 10, eight years ago. And that landscape has changed. And I think that does benefit. Muddying the waters as it relates to the threat of Islam. You have people coming up right now going, oh, that's just propaganda. That's more war in Iraq bullshit. War for oil. There's no threat of Islam. They're actually. They believe in Jesus. I'm like, no, they believe. They actually believe that he wasn't crucified. He didn't raise from the dead. Which according to our faith is blasphemous. But we won't blow them up over.

[Tommy Robinson]

They took our son of God and made him a dustman.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Tommy Robinson]

And then we met him. Oh, cheers, lads.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And they go. They go, oh, we like him as a prophet. Yeah, but he's not a prophet. He's not just a prophet. That's not what we believe. But if we say, yeah, but we don't think Muhammad's actually a problem.

[Tommy Robinson]

He is, Lamar. Phobic.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly. Right. It's like, why can't we just both do this?

[Tommy Robinson]

But they. It's like when we hear this, I'm from the UK, we have 40,000 British Muslims on a terror watch list. We only have 70,000 armed forces. If our security services and 12 of the plots against our country have been funded by guess who? Iran, the Ayatollah. Guess who else they fund? They fund Hamas, they fund the Houthis, they fund Hezbollah. So. And guess what their goal is. So it's very different to America to understand. You can't look at the removal of Saddam Hussein or the removal Gaddafi. Both total ups, if you ask me. But you can't compare it to that. Because you see in Afghanistan, even all the conflict in Afghanistan, because in Afghanistan, 99% of Muslims want Sharia law. So if you remove the Taliban or go to war with the Taliban, it's coming back, right? Because that's what they want to live under. Now you compare that to Persia and the Persian people, rich in culture, rich in identity, rich in their own value system. That's not Islam. They have been enslaved by Islam. So they want freedom, they want democracy. You can either have the Ayatollah and the supremacist Islamic mindset that chant death to America every day, that fund the destruction and against the interests of the West. Your country, my country, you can have them trying to build a nuclear weapon, working with the other countries that despise you, China and these other nations all in hand. Or you can remove them, which is better for the world and it's better for the United States. What did they do? How many American forces have they been responsible for the death of humiliating your navy, but getting jizzy off Barack Obama literally send them billions people surrender to them. You can surrender and you can allow them to grow in power, in organization. And when at some point they get a nuclear weapon, you can all start saying, why didn't we do something? You can do that. Or we can let the Persian people have their opportunity for freedom. Let them rise up and then you're going to have a pro West. Yeah, a pro freedom, a pro value.

[Steven Crowder]

The challenge is only 40% of Iran is Persian anymore. And you know what's interesting is, you know, and the entire world Marxists there. Well, yeah, but in the entire Islamic world, the cousin banging rate is very high. That's why their IQ is so low.

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[Steven Crowder]

Iran is one exception. It's actually top five countries for IQ. I think the average is like 106. Here's the. But they still have like 30 something percent of people there marry their cousins. When you have the Arabic Muslim, they marry their cousins, that brings that number up. But the Persians who don't bring the IQ number higher. It's the only place in the world where you have a high incestuous rate but also a high IQ rate And that's because of the split. That's how stark it is. The Persians and the Arabic Muslims and

[Tommy Robinson]

so many are leaving Islam there. Have you seen them out that leaving Islam and turn into Christianity because of the boot on their neck for all these years?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

So I watch it all and just think, look, to try and conflate this with Afghanistan and Iraq. I really hope the Persian people get their freedom. I really hope. Yeah, I think Donald Trump has done what's best for Western civilization.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I mean, everyone compares everything to Iraq and it's like that's, that's an outlier. And by the way, of course, of course mistakes, but that is an outlier. That's not the only example we have. When you look at military interventions in the United States that are short, that are effective, they were immensely popular. Not everything is Iraq, not everything is Vietnam. I mean, go through Panama, you can go Granada, you can go through plenty of different examples. Even the first Desert Storm, while we're talking about Iraq, when it was done quickly. So you have a whole list of commentators who say everything's going to be Iraq and that's just not the case. And they use it to say we're the bad guys. That's what I have an issue with. I think we can have disagreements. I definitely think AIPAC should register. I think AIPAC is a. Is a problem with our government, just like any lobbying group.

[Tommy Robinson]

AIPAC is the lobbying group for Israel.

[Steven Crowder]

Is it? But it's Amer. They claim it's American Israelis. Here's the problem. They're largely funded the influence by people who have dual citizenship. And so I get why people have a problem with it. It's legitimate. I don't think we should be sending a blank check. I don't think our interests always align with Israel, in which case we should part ways. That has nothing to do with the threat of Islam to Western civilization and particularly the biggest funders of it, Iran. That is a view that is seen by a certain contingency of people as shilling for a foreign nation. When people say, I don't want any American troops to die for some other nation, I go, I absolutely agree. That's why I have a problem with Iran. Do you have any idea how many Americans have been killed, killed by Iran people? It's like they've forgotten that. It's like they've just forgotten how many.

[Tommy Robinson]

And now not just killed. They made America look like a. For the last however many years they've made, they made look what Barack Obama look under Biden Yeah. For no longer. America no longer looks like a. It looks like a gangster. Yeah. And that's what you want it to look like. You want to put the world in place. Shut up.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

You cavemen.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

My French. No, your cavemen know your place in society. If you can enslave people, murder people, rape people, and they're your value system. Don't point any guns at us. Because you point guns at us, you're gone. And that's what. And that's what. And I think I'm watching it thinking, go on. America. About time. America's back on the world stage. About time. America is the. The height of the world around. And find out.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And you need. And when people talk about military strength. I've grown up around Islam. There's only one language I understand and there's only one language they actually respect. You see, I said if I run with them. If you run once, you're running for your whole life. I've grown up with them. You may not want to. You have to put on a strong face.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

Or they will walk all over you.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

So they actually respect it. I get Muslim gangsters in my town. When I walk past them, they'll come over, shake my hand. I don't like you, Tommy, but I respect you. There's a level. You need to know how they think. You know what they think when they're dealing with a coward who competes and starts starting his video with Salaam Alikum and happy Ramadan and all this. They just think, wanker. They think, you absolute mug, you surrendering your values like my. My church. So when we had the English Defense League at the height attentions in the country, we were a group of young English men that were not going to submit. Yeah. And it was filled by certain sort of men. It was. Wasn't going to be doctors and nurses. Yeah, right. It was going to be young English men who were saying, enough's enough here. You're not destroying our nation, you're not raping our women. Not without us making a noise about it and being willing to. To stand up to it. And I got called for a meeting by the Bishop of Pontefract and he bought a. So they called this secret meeting in a church. The church leads you to. I remember when the bishop invited us, I thought, I wonder if the Queen knows about this. Yeah. Because there was trouble on the streets. There was tension in the nation and they sat us down as leaders. English Defence League. And they sat down the leaders of the dear Bandi Sect. Of Islam. Now, before we walked in, the priest told us, by the way, MI5 or MI6, one of the see these as the future leadership in Britain, which was the D Abandis. Well, that's a problem, because they're cavemen. Yeah, it's a real problem.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

So when we went to the meeting, they said, let's clear the air. I said, all right, let's clear the air. Yeah. And I just went, let rip. I said, you're doing this. You're doing this. You're pissing us off. You're taking liberties. You're taking liberties while women, you're raping through our towns. You do it. And I went through everything and. And the bloke went, well, we're used to having these diversity meetings where everyone tells us everything's great. I said, well, nothing's great. So you. And I said. And then the priest said, well, the bishop said, what we've done is we've tried to bring everyone together. We had a Christmas event with the Muslim community. I said, oh, great. Did you have wine? And he looked. I said, you didn't have wine, did you? He said, no. I said, you had a Sharia compliant Christmas, do you mug? I said, so you see what I mean? You've surrendered your values. Yeah, yeah. They won't budge.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

Your budget, they will not budge. It's their way or the highway now. This is our country, it's our culture, it's our identity, it's our future. Is. Is our forefathers that bled for this nation. And you're giving it away through weakness.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And they don't respect that, so they respect Donald Trump. Donald Trump was elected in 2016. I was in. I was in. I was in Israel. My first ever time I've been there.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And I was asking questions and I kept all of them. Said, yes, Strongman Donald Trump, I thought, hold on a minute. He's meant to be putting in a Muslim ban. He's run it. Which wasn't a Muslim ban. Do you know that Muslim ban he put in? If we had that in the UK, 26 kids wouldn't have been blown up in. In the area. In the Grande concert, 280 Europeans wouldn't have been slaughtered through people who went to the countries just. Just off the people that went to the countries he banned. Yeah. So it's like. And when I asked Muslims out there, they said, yeah, Donald Trump. They all love a Donald Trump.

[Steven Crowder]

So it's like, we have that a lot actually, too, surprisingly, here, when the election was going around, because they liked a lot of them, like the Abrahamic Peace Accords. A lot of them don't want these wars with Israel. A lot of the more secular Muslims in the United States, but they're still. It's still troubling. 198 million Muslims globally believe that violence is justified as, you know, a means to a political.

[Tommy Robinson]

Do you know the percentage in America,

[Steven Crowder]

in the United States, which percentage of Muslims support violence? I don't know that number. I didn't know that they actually conducted a study.

[Tommy Robinson]

50% Mon Sharia in some form. Upwards of 51%, I believe. Now, I looked at 42% in France, 35% in Britain. I think 26.

[Steven Crowder]

I know, I know the Sharia number, but I don't think there's been a poll of supporting violence. What I'm saying is 198 million answered yes to violence against apostates and against non Muslims in a global.

[Tommy Robinson]

Pew state in America said suicide bombing can be justified. I think.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, okay.

[Tommy Robinson]

I think I started looking at America.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah, that's. It's too much. Put that way, I'd say it's 198 million too much.

[Tommy Robinson]

Your security services, was that American security services?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

Will be monitoring to see if the Chinese Communist Party get people in positions of power or education in order to work for the Communist state of China.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

Well, they need to do the same for Islam because the Communist state of China wish for communism and to overthrow democracy and they wish for their interests. Well, Islam, whether they come, say 99. Pew Research that want Sharia law in Afghanistan, when you bring a million of them into your country, they don't stop at the border and go, right, we're going to leave our views right here. We're going to come in and we believe in democracy and freedom.

[Steven Crowder]

It'd be like, you come to the States, be like, I hate soccer.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Like, no, that doesn't happen. You still like gay sports.

[Tommy Robinson]

But it's what it's.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, they bring it with them.

[Tommy Robinson]

They're, as you said, with the value system. And they should have to. It goes totally. It's alien to your culture. The European Court of Human Rights, I think, in 2007, ruled Sharia law was incompatible with Western democracy and freedom.

[Steven Crowder]

It absolutely is.

[Tommy Robinson]

Why are Texas. Texas just had a vote. 95% of Republican primary voters want a ban on Sharia. Why is this even a conversation?

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

Why is coming from the top of the government, is Sharia not banned? Well, it doesn't mean even when you ban it, because we've got 100 Sharia courts, 100 Sharia law courts in the UK.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, and the thing is, even if you ban Sharia courts, they just have de facto Sharia court. Like a lot of divorces in Dearborn. Exactly.

[Tommy Robinson]

And they don't call the police, they don't need paperwork. If they get married, the judge, the Sharia judge, the.

[Steven Crowder]

To leak, to leak, to leak. Say it three times and then a

[Tommy Robinson]

divorce, the girl can only. The girl only gets 50. So for the women like you, I always used to say to my ex wife, you see, if they win, I'm all right, I'll just marry two of your mates. Like, I can have three wives. You're. I said, it's all about you women. It's all about you. So when you see these Western women in a shriek or in the uk, if there's inheritance, the girl say, there's a brother and a sister, she gets 50 less than him because she's worth 50 less. Because the Quran says she's worth half of the man.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

And that's the Muslim women that are worth half of the man.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

Now you look at our women, our women, like if and again, statistics which matter because then it's not my opinion. 3% of the UK population is Muslim men. 90 of the convictions of men who have raped children, 90% are Muslim men. 30% are called Muhammad.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, yeah. Here's the ultimate problem, though, because I'll be a chauvinist if I say this. The truth is you don't get that policy without female voters. That's the big irony. You don't get men and women's sports. If not for white suburban voters, you don't get Sharia. You don't get the epicenter if not for white female suburban voters. And so if you.

[Tommy Robinson]

I think a lot of that comes from. I think a lot of this issue.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, women are inherently liberal, they're inherently left and feminist.

[Tommy Robinson]

I don't think they're educated even what Islam is. I don't think they don't.

[Steven Crowder]

But they never will be because they vote very emotionally. That's what feminism spurred. And so you're a chauvinist. If you're like, well, look, this is a problem. And they go, don't infantilize me. All right? I guess it's infantilizing you to tell you that you have no rights under Islam, to tell you what that looks like. So the greatest ally, ironically, to Islam encroachment in the west is white suburban feminist women. And they don't even know it. That. Otherwise, how do you explain. And you can't. Right. It's rhetorical. When you see someone with a Palestine flag next to a rainbow flag. Right. It defies reason. Well, it's a feminist worldview of, ah, they're victims. So let me help them. Regardless of ideology.

[Tommy Robinson]

Partly victims. Or they're all working for the destruction of the west. And they share that common goal to bring down the west to. Through Marxism, through their.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

Through their political ideas, the destruction of the state. They want to end the police, defund the police, all because they want destabilize, destabilization, because they want to replace the system of democracy.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, the feminists just call it patriarchy. The west just call. You know, Islam just calls it the West Decadence. You know, that kind of thing. And lgbtq, aip, I don't know what they call it.

[Tommy Robinson]

We've seen this before. You've said the Iranians saw it in the. In the Islamic Revolution because the Marxists and the Communists worked with the Islamists in order to overthrow the country. And then when the Islamists got in, they killed the Marxists. And the only good benefit is if they win, they're first to go. Yeah, same in Lebanon.

[Steven Crowder]

There's a silver lining.

[Tommy Robinson]

Same in Lebanon. It's not like you can't look to where this has happened, this alliance. It's happened so many times.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, Lebanon's a good example because you mentioned Christians. There was a pretty significant portion of Lebanon that was a Christian population. Not anymore.

[Tommy Robinson]

Till they let them in.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep.

[Tommy Robinson]

Until they let them in. I suppose somehow you can find a way of blaming Israel, can't you, guys?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, we have one of the highest concentrations of Lebanese people. I think, actually Montreal is the highest concentration of Lebanese people. There's a specific neighborhood outside of Lebanon, and many of them were Christians because they had fled. And that's also why you see these Iranians who are so pro American. Because they fled.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, the Iranians get it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And the Persian Iranians do.

[Tommy Robinson]

And the only actual women that I've seen in my lifetime, when you think about this is why I look and I think, how are you not supporting them even if you're not supporting them? I see the pro Palestinian rallies in America. I went. I was in D.C. i went over. You see pro Palestinian rallies, and they're full of Americans. When we see these pro Persian rallies for the freedom, there's no actual Americans. All of them are Iranians that have left. There's no support from the feminist groups, the Freedom groups, the LGBT groups, which is insane because the only actual women I've seen fighting for women in my lifetime really, is in Iran.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And these women, when you like In America, after January 6th, I'm sure January 6th was designed to instill fear in the American public, to not come out and demonstrate, even when they see something so bad take place as a stolen election. They wanted you so scared because that's why they proved you what they could do. We can imprison, we can do what we want. They done it in the UK with me. They locked me up for 18 months. Told Even though the world, 167 million people watched the film, they knew I told the truth. They wanted to set an example. They done it with a mother called Lucy Conley. She got 31 months for a tweet. Yeah. She deleted the tweet after an hour. Pedophiles don't get jail. Lucy Conley, a mother that was about installing fear. And many in the uk, When I speak to people in Britain, I think, no, you are scared in Britain as you have been. And I actually interviewed people in D.C. about the rainbow flags and the trans flags and about the Black Lives Matter and they all self censoring. So I said, you're self centering because you're worried about losing your job. You're worried about some cool call you a racist or an extremist. These women are being butchered and raped and pillaged. They've tried revolution three times, four times. How many times they've been disappeared and they're still on the streets. They're being kidnapped and murdered and they're still getting up the next day as women, not men. And they're out on the streets in their thousands, taking their hijabs off and dancing because for dancing they kill them.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

So we. And you're still not willing to support an un, an actual revolution for freedom. You're still on the side of Palestine and Hamas and the Iranian Ayatollah. So when I watch commentators in America, you can probably tell, I just think you wankers.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

You apps. You're condemning the removal of the most supremacist mindset in the world that wishes to enslave you. You.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And your whole nation and all your people. And if they had a chance, they'd rape your mum and rape your sister. And you're here talking for them, not for these women. And every video we see of Iranians in the west, they're the most beautiful, loving people.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

They're not there in anger, they're not smashing. Look. How long? 45 days. They were genocided. 45 days. They were masked. How many cars did they burn in the west, right? Nothing.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

They come out dancing. They come out as a culture of beauty.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And you're on the side of bloody. A mess.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, have you done Patrick Pet David Show?

[Tommy Robinson]

I done it. No. So. Because I didn't think I'd ever get in here. So when I come out of jail, I went to the Bahamas, and he flew to the Bahamas.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, good.

[Tommy Robinson]

So I'm hoping to speak with him next week.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, so you haven't met him yet?

[Tommy Robinson]

No, I met him in the Bahamas. This was, like, months ago. So I'm hoping now I'm in America.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Tommy Robinson]

I'll get a chance to speak to him.

[Steven Crowder]

Come out to you. Let me put it to you that way, brother. You're in the Bahamas, there's a 40 chance of you going to jail. Okay? There's a 60 chance. There's a 40 chance. But then look at my biceps guy. I got the biggest biceps because I'm the guy, right? I went to his place, and, boy, how hospitable. The Persian Iranian again, Christian, I mean, Assyrian. And I walked in, I just said, nothing like perpetuating the original stereotype. I go, gold marble. I said, do you have the plaster lions? He's like, I do, brother. I do have the lions back there. He actually did, but they really are very different. There's a difference between Persians and Arabic Muslims. I will say this. I don't want to live in a world where women are arrested for dancing. But, like, could we at least put, like, Cardi B in solitary confinement for twerking? I think we could split the difference, you know, I don't want to live in a world where woman gets acid in their face for, you know, like, showing their hair. But, like, maybe you could just hit Kim Kardashian with a lunchbox.

[Tommy Robinson]

I interviewed a woman in D.C. you can watch it. You can see the video. I went to D.C. and there was. I was walking through, and there was these Iranian people protesting, obviously, against the Ayatollah and asking Trump to help them. Them and God. You've got God bless Donald Trump because he's out. He stands by what he says. He surrounded them, got the right moment, smashed the Ayatollah took him out in first day. And then when they're having their meeting, when they're next, he done them all again.

[Steven Crowder]

It was so fast.

[Tommy Robinson]

Just shut up. Sit down. Yeah, with the Venezuelan president, I think it's Brilliant. But I think it's brilliant because I know what those people are and how their mindset works. But when I went up to this woman, I said, because the women I was talking to had all fled Iran. They'd lived there. They'd grown up there. And one woman said, you know what my dream was the whole time as a child? It was to go out in my garden and run around that garden with no hijab on. I said, are you a Muslim? She said, no, never been a Muslim. You had to wear a hijab. She said, yeah, or you get beaten and you get killed. And then I spoke to another woman who said. I said, what was it like growing up, and what was it like when you got to the United States of America? And this is what Western women in the west need to realize? And she said, well, think of me being a bird and think of my wings being tied behind my back, so. Never having the opportunity to fly.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

She said, when I landed in America, my wings were released, and you have to. And I'll sit and listen to these people and think, you're on the other side. You're actually on the other side of these people, regardless of foreign intervention, regardless of. You're actually. You've got an opportunity here. There's good and there's bad, and you're standing up for the bad at this moment.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I don't want to. I don't want to, because I agree with you in principle. I mean, people know with my stance in Iran, they think. But they think I was obviously paid by the Jews just to say. I think that it is in the interest of the United States to not have an incredibly unstable portion of the region. But I think there are some people who are arguing not. We're supporting bad, though. There are people who've supported bad.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

There are some people who sound like. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They're saying it's about the resources, and I think that's a legitimate criticism to have, and I'll discuss it with them. But people who try and shut it down and say America is actually the biggest terrorist state you've heard that has

[Tommy Robinson]

a right to defend itself. That's coming from. What's that? Failed UFC prick. Oh, Jake Shields.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. I don't think. But he's kind of a. I was the first guy to have him on any show, just like you early on, because he beat up an antifa guy at Berkeley. That's what they were rioting. And he beat him. I was like, great. Had him on. I don't Agree with him, but.

[Tommy Robinson]

So he's gone from that to being on the same side as anti.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't really. I just avoid it because he's always been friendly with me and I don't. I try and avoid commentating because I don't know his views, but I know

[Tommy Robinson]

they're quite a bit different from my commentary. He's a traitor to the United States of America, the Iranian regime to have the right to retaliate, which means kill Americans, kill America.

[Steven Crowder]

What people don't realize is they say Iran has a right to defend itself. You go, okay, are you talking about. I don't think I've known of people who have more of a chasm between their people and the government than Iran. That's a very big difference.

[Tommy Robinson]

80. 80. Yeah, 80% against the government.

[Steven Crowder]

When they say they have a right to defend themselves, what they mean is the government of Iran has a right to maintain their control and murder of their own people. That's what they're really saying. I would believe it. You know, who doesn't think that we're there to kill innocent Iranians? A single group of Iranians. A single dashing. Yeah, but. Well, I guess they're all paid by the Jews. And that's the only point that I was making was like, look, you could be anti Israel in their foreign influence. You could be anti aipac, but you have to acknowledge that all of these Iranians aren't in on some scheme. They hate their government. You could even argue it's not our job to do. Fine. But you can't argue that this is all a sham.

[Tommy Robinson]

And it's not like they're just enslaving their people. They're working against the United States of America. Of course. Every day of the week for 40 years. Yes. So it's not like, okay, they, like Saddam Hussein, just wanted to have his country and his people in his area. That's not the mindset of the Ayatollah and his regime. That's not even when you look at Hamas on October 7th. Well, on October 8th, their leadership come out and said, our goal isn't Israel. Our goal is New York, and our goal is London. Well, unfortunately, they've took New York and they've took London anyway, so pretty successful in their goals.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, that brings me to a question, because I said this on air when I was asked by someone from the uk I hate to be a nihilist, because I'm not. I'm very optimistic in the United States, matter of fact, when people say everything is bleak I go, you don't realize how bad it can get because you know on YouTube, if we questioned the COVID vaccination results in children, we were banned. If we questioned election. Now you have Rumble, now you have X. I go, there have been some. There's an official government recognition of two genders. These are major changes. I was suspended for saying there were two genders. So I go, you don't. In the States, I have a lot of hope. Uk, I don't. I don't think there are enough of you.

[Tommy Robinson]

No, no, it's happening. No, trust me, it's happening.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, well make the case to me because I'll tell you, Canada's a conquered people. I think that we should invade Canada, the United States, because I don't. I know people in Canada. It's not happening in Canada. Alberta.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, maybe it wasn't happening in the UK for a decade, for decades. Fear is that they used fear to paralyze an entire nation. Yeah. Fear of being branded fear of losing your job. They've got everyone financed up to here. Everyone with jobs missed one month's payment. Your family are fucked. So people are weighing up the right to talk York and then trying to maintain that they're quite stable and nice life.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And then we become a generation of cowards and selfish people who care more about ourselves than we do about the nation and the, and the country and the future of the nation. So that's what we created. Now two years ago, I. Two years ago when Elon Musk picked us up and he gave us back my platform, I'd been broken, I'd lost a court case. Bankrupt for 1.3 million. They'd lied. All these things happened. It'd been a 10 years of just non stop smashing by the state. I then was at Sat out in Spain. Elon Musk picks us up. My account turns back on the most important work I've done. Watch my [e-mail] was a five part series. The Rape of Britain.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

The most important work. Telling the story, telling the. The ladies who survived these rapes. I tell their stories now when the men are named by. I went into a town called Telford. The statistics are insane. I went into this town, it has a 1.7 Muslim population. Population. And I went there because I knew. I spent 12 to 18 months finding out everything. I knew. Every gang member. I knew where they lived, I knew their cars, I put track on their cars. We covertly record them in their restaurants. We went for them, we went to town. In this town. Yeah. And they had no idea. So we're sitting there, we've got women buying things, we're in their taxis, we're looking into them, we're finding out where they work. And I drew. We've done a police style investigation. We had every one of them. Yeah. I mean, I knew everything. And from, from the police investigation, 1,000 victims were. Were found in the police investigation. Five were murdered. Little girls burned alive. This is for your Muslim Christian lines. Little girls burned alive. A thousand children raped. There's only 1.7% Muslim population. So out of that 1.7%, once you get rid of the women and you get rid of the children, there's a thousand men. Now, the police identified 200, we got 260 names. Now, another inquiry by solicitors firm got 300 names. Over 300, that means a minimum of 20 to 30%. If we take the police's lowest number, 20% of the men were raping kids in this town. The other town you've heard about is called Rotherham. That's only got a 3.7% Muslim population. There's none there.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

1400 children raped. Yeah. So the numbers we've been given for the two towns with no Muslims. My town's 50. So what do you think is like there? But we've been fighting for this and I've been hitting and I've been. It started off early on into 2009. I got attacked all the time, spat, abused, called a racist, called an extremist. We've gone shifted, man. I walked down the streets now and I knew something was coming. So when Elon Musk gave me back my page, I flew back to the UK because I'd been exiled, pretty much broken.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

I flew back and I called a meeting. You know Katie Hopkins? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know Carl Benjamin?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. Well, I've had him on the. I haven't had her, but I've been on the show many times.

[Tommy Robinson]

Okay. Lawrence Fox, Mayor Tuci. So we called a meeting of 10, 15, what you could call infant influencers. People like yourself, Stephen. Yeah. People in the UK who have tried to speak up, faced opposition, being canceled, been attacked, been sued, been violated. So we called a meeting, sat down, I said, right, we need to fight. Yeah. And we need to fight them now. We need to fight the media now. The only way we fight the media is we are the media. Yeah. Right. So if we work together and we gave it, we done it, we've done a, A, we put on a board and we gave everyone bits of paper and said, let's get this. What are the most important 10 points to you, you, you. And then when we come around the end, we look to where we agreed. So I don't care if you support Palestine and I don't care if you support Israel and I don't care if you want war in Iran and you don't want a war in Iran. What we care about is British culture is going. We are in danger of losing our nation. So let's agree on five principal values. Let's agree and what we got down to in the five things we agreed on. We're against mass immigration, we're against Islamization of our country, LGBTQ values, free speech and the Judeo Christian culture of this nation. Yeah. Even if you don't follow Jesus Christ, what built this country? What is the reason it has these values? What made it Great Britain? What made us the best place on the planet? It's come from Christianity. Accept it. We've lost it. Don't lose it, America. So we've done all this. So we agreed on five things. I said, right? And that way it wasn't my, it wasn't my movement, it was all of our movements. Because if I didn't make it, we made it. So when we left, when we agreed, when we lived, and it took months of negotiations, of talks of going back and forward, and we said, right, now, if we do a cultural video or we want to oppose a politician, like a click of a finger, we've got worldwide reach. You've got Tick Tock, you've got the youth, you've got the older generation. I've got YouTube, you've got that. So we, we come together, which is what people need to do in America, because you've got to fight them. So we done this. And from that moment we organized our first event 30th of June, and 30,000 people turned up and we made it about culture and identity because we had 9 million people voted for Keir Starmer, 20 million didn't vote, 86 million Americans didn't vote. Now they probably don't give a shit about politics. They're probably living out and it don't affect them, but they care about culture and identity. That's what we realized. So we're going to get this 20 million. We're going to captivate them, we're going to electrify them, we going to give them back their identity. That's been taken. It's been a pronged attack from every angle to discredit, to make them feel ashamed. To make them feel isolated, to break the church, break the man, break the family. All of this has been going on mass immigration and Islam, as said Charlie Kirk, is the sword that they're going to use to break us. Well, that's what's happening in Britain. We went from 30,000, we celebrated identity, we had music, we bought in art, we bought in culture. We went to the hundred thousand twenty seventh of July, on the 27th of July we had 100,000 people chanting crisis king. And that's never happened. And I'm looking thinking something huge is happening here because the people who are scared don't seem scared. Look at. I'll give you the overhead if you want to put it in here. I don't know if you've seen the overhead of our last event. Yeah, we had millions.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, now that's something I know people said you lied about that there were only 300,000.

[Tommy Robinson]

Have you seen the video?

[Steven Crowder]

No, I've seen it, but I'm saying I can't know the number, but that's some people. And then they'll take that and try and describe, discredit you. And I'm playing devil's advocate.

[Tommy Robinson]

No support, no advertisement, no financial support to get people there. Hard working Brits at tough times in the economy traveled from every corner of our globe and they descended on our capital city to send a message to the globalists, to send a message to the government. And when we done it, we had this. We still have a vision or we have a vision now, we've wrote a four year vision. Politics, media, culture. Unless the three of them work together, I. E. Yeah, we need a, we need an international brand of citizen journalists who are recognized, supported and helped because they're coming for every citizen.

[Steven Crowder]

That's the challenge. I mean, I want to be moved by your optimism and you know, I've had you on for a very long time and I'll host and I agree with you completely, but I remember one of the times that I had you on because many people at that point weren't having you on. You know, people are so, people are so loyal. If I remember correctly, it was blocked in the UK on YouTube. So the point is like there's nothing I can do, right? But it was blocked in the UK just like we have something like I have Paulo Figueiredo who basically is fleeing the Brazilian government, right? But it can't air in Brazil because rumble's not allowed in Brazil. And then Elon Musk, sorry, capitulated to the government of Brazil. So it's like he can't even get the story to them. Here's the other thing. Well, it's funny because I had Carl Benjamin on back then. He was an atheist.

[Tommy Robinson]

Ain't your government building a website so if they censor videos in the uk they'll be played on the website?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, yeah. And I. And again, I hope that's coming from us though.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, but without your government, without, without. You see the scenes I'm talking about now and the optimism I have.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Tommy Robinson]

We wouldn't have that.

[Steven Crowder]

If you don't say people tomorrow give up socialized health care and have a second amendment. If not, I say you have no hope. Because here's the problem. Here's the problem. And I'm just, I'm just. This is the problem. You have at least half of this country and this is unique about America because I remember even with Carl, and I love Carl. Very nice. You just. This was on recently talking about how their healthcare was better than ours back then he was an atheist. And I was like, yeah, but no, it's not.

[Tommy Robinson]

You love who, Cole?

[Steven Crowder]

Carl Benjamin. Sargon of a cat. Yeah, yeah. Back then he was an atheist in this. No, I know, but back then he was an atheist. Right. And I would still argue like, well, you know, you're going to hell and I'll see it from heaven. You know, kind of. We would bust each other's balls, but we were friends. The problem is in the United States, no matter what you believe, no matter where you line up, if you think that our healthcare system sucks compared to the uk, it doesn't. Objectively. I know what's I've buried relative to. Because of socialized health care. At least half of this country are willing to vote against their own selfish interests. Meaning if they're socialized health care, they might get some free shit, but they're willing to say no because they value their independence, their autonomy from the government more. The great trick in the UK and in Canada is they have people reliant on government to protect them. And when they do that, they can take it away. So it has to be a spirit of we don't even want the government services and we want our guns. That's why I'm concerned, because you're further along. I think there can be gates.

[Tommy Robinson]

That was the prediction. Brexit vote. Because the Brexit vote, they, they made it all about economy.

[Steven Crowder]

I know, anyway.

[Tommy Robinson]

And the British working class said, we don't give a. About the economy, if I'm honest. We give a. About identity and culture. And you're trying to take it and you're destroying it. So that was a rebellion vote.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Tommy Robinson]

That they didn't expect. Which didn't like. I remember that people were talking about all the money. I said, we don't give a. About the money. Not. We'll lose money, we'll lose money to remain Britain.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

But I think that.

[Steven Crowder]

Are there enough people, though, who are

[Tommy Robinson]

voting during the Brexit vote? And There was on the 13th of September, and the thing is to get those people to the position where they understand the danger. Remember I used to talk about these issues in Luton and no one cared because it was in Luton.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

They're not in Luton anymore. So lots of things have had to happen in the United States. Your election had to be stolen, if I'm honest. You needed Joe Biden. No, you needed it. You needed it to get a mandate of Donald Trump.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, we needed a demented old circus monkey.

[Tommy Robinson]

You needed it. You needed it for your public to see it's all fraud, it's all a scam. They needed it because how many elections been stolen before this?

[Steven Crowder]

This.

[Tommy Robinson]

How much we getting given from the same uni party you've now?

[Steven Crowder]

Ask Hillary Clinton, Amy Klobuchar and ask Elizabeth Warren. They had an Election Integrity Commission. Until they're like, no, no, because you

[Tommy Robinson]

got to see it. So the British audience 3. And I tried saying when. When people were put in jail during the riots, I spoke to lots of families. I said, I know it's not any consolation here, but this had to happen because the country needed to see the weaponization of the judiciary. I needed to go jail. I happily went. Not happily went to jail because it me up, but excuse my French, because I keep swearing.

[Steven Crowder]

No, that's fine. You lost your teeth, didn't you?

[Tommy Robinson]

I lost my teeth in one sentence and then I've done so. I went into prison one person to come out another because of the solitary confinement. It ruined me. And most recently, I've just done seven months. I went into prison and didn't see another person and come out seven days, seven months later. But I made decision to actively put the judiciary on trial. They gave me an injunction saying, if you show anyone this film, you go to prison. It ate me up for two years. I didn't do what I should have done. After two years, I sat my family down and said, look, I've got a hand grenade here. This is a far bigger story than Tommy Robinson. I have got covert recordings that prove the unholy alliance of the judiciary, the left the police, all of them work together to control the narrative. This is like what they done to Donald Trump. I've got it on camera. It's what they done. Pick, and I keep saying this, go and pick anyone who stood up against the state or the system. Even Ken Paxton, they went for him because he stood by Donald Trump. Even Geert Wilders, politician, they went for him through the courts. Salvini, Italian deputy Prime Minister now, but for six years they hammered him with court cases. Marie Le Pen, they're doing her now. Morton Messenschmitt, in charge of the Danish People's Party. Steven Crowder, everyone, Everyone, everyone. So that is a weapon now. I had it in my hand and I remember they fought there when the documentary was released. It was released in America. And then they come for me when I started organizing demonstrations again. But then it was in two places, this film that weren't allowed to be shown. It had 200,000 views. Yeah. Now, both places got deleted at the same time. I rang my list, I said, they're coming for me because they're going to imprison me. I know they are, because they've removed the film from the whole Internet. It's nowhere. Yeah. Now, if they imprison me now, no one sees the film. So then I had the option where I could fight it because I didn't release the film in America or I could own it. So when we had a hundred thousand people on Intrafalm Square on 27 July, I played the film. I stood up on stage and said, I'm going jail for this, but I'm putting you on trial. You're not putting me on trial. If you want to come and get me, the world's going to watch that film. If they watch that film, they know you're corrupt. Not me. When I went before the John, 28 July, this cultural movement, do me put

[Steven Crowder]

a timeline on it, because this was so film. This was pre. Keir Starmer's last. The last vote. Right. People voted. My point is the timeline hasn't. Hasn't come there and you're convincing me hasn't come to fruition yet. How long do you think? Because in America that would be huge. I mean, look, obviously a huge tragedy. Of course, I'm not saying that this is what was necessary or a good thing in any way. What I'm saying is, Charlie Kirk, it woke people up. I'll tell you this. It woke some people up, but some people only for a couple of months even that wasn't enough. But it lit a few.

[Tommy Robinson]

Like, how long before you think you

[Steven Crowder]

actually have a transition with the government, where you guys actually get. And I'm not saying it's not possible, but how long?

[Tommy Robinson]

It's ready now.

[Steven Crowder]

You think so?

[Tommy Robinson]

It's ready now. But Nigel Farage's government are not strong enough. So the country's ready for political revolution. But we're left with Nigel Farage, who's put the.

[Steven Crowder]

Tell me. Because he's been right here in this chair with a nice guy. But again, back then in the day, he was. Seemed to be much stronger than he is today.

[Tommy Robinson]

He's totally cut down. So Nigel Farage is words, not mine. He doesn't want mass deportations. Can't do them. Not bothered about demographical change. London is now 33% English. That's not acceptable now that. That. That blueprint for London is happening in every major town, city. So we are projected by 2041. The numbers that we went through. Ignore their numbers. They say 2063 or something. But by 2041, white English are minority in England.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

That cannot be allowed to happen. The same way black Nigerians can't become a minority in Nigeria. The Japanese shouldn't be a minority in Japan. A thousand years of English history, Christian culture and history cannot be given away because you're too scared to tell, to identify this problem. Nigel not bothered by any of that. Nigel's words in a recent interview. By 2050, the Islamic Community are that strong. We cannot alienate Islam. Now, the reason the rape of a generation of our daughters happened in the UK was because no one was willing to alienate them or discuss it because they were scared of them. Nigel was in the same boat.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

Nigel does not want to stop Islam. He won't talk about Islam. In fact, the next. Our Home Secretary now is Shabina Mahmood. Shabana Mahmood, whatever her name is. She's the Home Secretary. She's a Muslim. She clearly identifies as Islam as the most important thing in the world. Not democracy, not freedom, not Britain. Islam. Islamic values are totally contradict all of our values. So that's what she's working for. Well, Nigel Farage's next Home Secretary is also a Muslim. His next mayor of London is also a Muslim. He's got a Bangladeshi who can hardly speak English, who's standing in one constituency. Nigel has cut. He's gone for the. He surrendered the same way. So, unfortunately, the country's ready for this. The numbers on the street show it the fact Nigel is riding the wave of nationalism and patriotism. That has swept across our country over the last 18 months.

[Steven Crowder]

But they were ready for it with Brexit. I mean, I followed that super close.

[Tommy Robinson]

Nigel took us to Brexit and then. And again done a deal with.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I know, that's what I'm saying. Like, it seems like they were. So, so how is it going to be different? In other words, how do you know that you're not going to have another leader who does the same? We know why.

[Tommy Robinson]

In the States we may do, but then, but then there's new leaders coming. Do you know when we. You started this in 2009 when you spoke about Islam.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Maybe the Quran challenge. It was 2008 or 2009, but it

[Tommy Robinson]

was a lonely place then. Yeah. You were one.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. Yes, it was.

[Tommy Robinson]

Let's, let's look at it. You were talking in the uk. I was talking. Now look how many people are talking. How many people, in fact people are bending over to talk about this issue. It's become fashionable. So we've, we are. Things are shifted. But the, the only way you're going to get the public ready, the situation has to be that bad. We need real change now. You've got ice. If you don't use ice, to the Americans that are thinking about ICE is bad. If you don't use ice, then if you look at the illegal immigration in your swing states, it went up 700%

[Steven Crowder]

in some of them, more than enough to affect votes.

[Tommy Robinson]

You won't have a swing state. Yeah, you won't have a swing state.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Tommy Robinson]

You will never win an election again. Why do you think Somalians have been taken from the hottest place in the world? And when I say taken, they've literally been taken from the highest place in the world and put in Minnesota where they've been placed in the coldest part of America. Yeah. They haven't made that choice. They haven't thought, you know what, we're going to America. Why don't we choose to freeze in place? That's totally alien to us. They're put there.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, they actually, there's actually been studies. You realize that it's actually the most vitamin D deficient population on earth is Somalians in Somalis in Minnesota. Because it's just not what they're made for. But I don't care if they get rickets, they should be deported.

[Tommy Robinson]

Why are they there? Because the Democrat party put them there. Why did they put them there? Because just like in Europe, the fastest growing community, Mohammed is the most popular name in every European major capital city. Now The Muslim community have on average four or five children on average in France, 7.1 European, 1.2 and 1.4. My hometown. In 2013, when I looked at the projected growth forecast in 2013, Bangladeshi Pakistani community were going to increase by 70 to 77%. That is by 20, 20, 30. So in a 17 year period, white, black community, 1.2 to 1.4. They know the future if they can flood enough. The Islamic community, the blacks. The blacks started voting for Donald Trump. That's not what they're not happy about, that they need a new. They need a new. And the blacks. People talk about slavery. They've been on the Democratic plantations for a generation. They're keeping, they're keeping them there. Fatherless homes. 80 used to have dads in the 60s, now it's 20. That's the real racism. And that's coming from the Democrats. Democrats. Because they want you relying on the state. Who's happy to be relying on the state? Somalians. Because they're too retarded to not be reliant on the state.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

They don't want to work, they don't want to speak English. It's a halal life. Not just Somalians. Many of them. Look at the rates in the UK of how many of them on benefits. They're quite happy. My local Imam's got three wives, 14 kids. Well, he's happy with that because we're paying for it and he's happy just to sit around and pray five times a day. So they're replacing us with reliant voters who, who will grow in number and at that point.

[Steven Crowder]

But they've been welcomed by so many in the uk. That's my problem.

[Tommy Robinson]

Is the UK even Republicans?

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, here for sure. Yes, absolutely. But here there are some safeguards that I don't see in the uk, where. Frank, I answered a question one time in chat and I was like. And I'm not. And by the way, do not associate this with Tommy Robinson at all. I'm saying, I was answering a chat, they said, do you think it can happen in the UK without any type of like civil war, violent revolution? I said they could. I don't. I don't know, I don't know. It needs to happen fast. Meaning there needs to be a shift in representation politically really fast and really emphatically, or we've lost and then it would only be done through war. And I'm not advocating war right now. But what I'm saying, it's. Those are your two choices. And I mean, like within the next two years.

[Tommy Robinson]

So it's.

[Steven Crowder]

If you think that's fair.

[Tommy Robinson]

We need direct democracy.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

And the problem is, in 10 years, if we had direct democracy, we lose. Yeah. Because they win. And what you need to understand is, I think in the primaries, was it 50?

[Steven Crowder]

It's a problem with a parliamentary system, too. That's my. That's why I hate the parliamentary, I

[Tommy Robinson]

think, was your system. I think 50 voted in the primaries. We see the Islamic community, 90 vote. Yeah. They all vote in a military fashion for who they're told to vote for. So when we say they'll use democracy,

[Steven Crowder]

and straight from the imams, by the

[Tommy Robinson]

way, the imam tells them, and then the imam sits down, does a deal with the Republicans, with the Democrats, whichever party want to suck his enough, they will do. They will sit down, negotiate for the interests of Islam. Yeah. Now, when you look at Ilya Omar, is she working for the interests of Americans or Somalians for America or Somalia? Where's her loyalty lie? We know you all know that. Answer that question. That's a rhetorical question.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

So, yeah, we are in a race against time. And I was deflated. Not deflated, demoralized, I guess. But I. But what I've seen happen in the last 12, 18 months, but since that happened, the relentless attacks we now face, or I now face, to discredit me, to just bear it in mind.

[Steven Crowder]

Of course. Yeah. I know. That's what they do.

[Tommy Robinson]

I'm a Mossad agent and that's what many are saying now. And Israel, I'm Israel first. I've made 10 documentaries, none of them about Israel. I've been in prison six times. Not about talking about Israel. I've had terrorist applause planning to kill me. Nothing to do with talking about Israel is because I've confronted Islam. I've dedicated my life to talking about Islam, even when I'd just come out of a prison sentence after seven months of solitary confinement, my head was totally fried. You then face this relentless attack, many of them by bots, many of them funded by Qatar, funded by Iran. All of it is to discredit a terrifying movement for the establishment and a terrifying movement for the Islamization of Britain. The country's awake.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

We've worked to get them to this stage.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, you can put that to rest. Just say Islam is a problem to the west and AIPAC is gay. You see that right in that camera? Then no one will question you anymore.

[Tommy Robinson]

Islam is a problem in the west and AIPAC is gay.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go, perfect. That's good enough. For me.

[Tommy Robinson]

Mohammed kiss. Yes, he did.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, he did. Well, to be fair, he only banged her thighs from six to nine.

[Tommy Robinson]

And then he Ayatollah, the man that just got bombed and obliterated his words in his own manual. Can't have sex till nine.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

But can stick your in between their legs and thigh them.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

From. From birth. Yeah. And this is the man that Jake Shields, Is that his name?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I think so, yeah.

[Tommy Robinson]

This is your mate Jake. You.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I know his name is Jake Shield. I didn't know if he was on board with the ayatollah, but. Yeah, well, anyone defending the Ayatollah is ridiculous to me.

[Tommy Robinson]

And is it? Damn. What's down the juice? Said one Dan Bizzy Jane or whatever. No, like Dan Bongo, the one who do studio videos of all the guns and all the.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, Dan Bilzerian.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And does a video of a Quran.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. No, he went from on a boat to like, actually I'm traditional and red pill and one. One woman. And Islam's great. Yeah. It's ridiculous. And then they appear on Pierce Morgan, by the way, who then vilifies you. And I'll appear on his show, but I. He'll ask me to try and denounce friends. I think even you at one point I'm like, I'm not going to do it. Pierce. You're wrong. That's just how it is. Like, we can sit and talk, but I'm not going to do this. He's not a racist.

[Tommy Robinson]

What does Pierce actually believe? Because he wanted to vaccinate everyone. He wanted force vaccinations. He was pro blm. He's been on the wrong side of everything. I know he was the. The head of the Daily Mirror newspaper when all of the rape jihad was going on across our country. All of them knew it was happening. He didn't comment. And then he wants to come out and vilify us. His mental. He'll try hacked dead kids phones.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't think. I don't think it's malice with Pierce Morgan. I think first off, he likes ratings. He'll tell you, like, you know, biggest ratings. Yeah. But I also think he hasn't thought about these issues. I think he hasn't thought about these issues his entire life.

[Tommy Robinson]

He doesn't have to think.

[Steven Crowder]

And so now he goes, well, yeah, the rape is bad. He goes, but it's wrong to be racist. It's a very surface level view. Which is why I think when I'm able to talk to them, like, okay, that's a good point. I'm always surprised as to how little pushback there is when I go because, you know, I'm respectful of them. But I will. I'm not going to play that game and I very rarely do it, but I hate seeing that. That's what they do. They come after you to try and vilify you. We're going to continue to Rumble Premium for people who are members because that's what keeps the lights on. But tell everyone where to go follow. You watch this documentary first.

[Tommy Robinson]

I can't tell you where to watch documentary. I go straight to jail. Okay, Straight to jail.

[Steven Crowder]

All right. They're just telling us your handles. I'm not trying to put you on this. I'm not trying to put you in jail on the spot. I'm not a Mossad agent.

[Tommy Robinson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can follow me on x, T, Rod, Mr. New Era. You can watch any of my documentaries. I'm not just saying it. The reason why they hate me is because I'm bloody good at my job. I have destroyed Panorama, the biggest documentary maker. I sent covert recordings into them. Watches the best takedown the BBC there's ever been. Hope not hate, which is your media matters. I annihilate their reputation again. Covertly record them and destroyed them. Everything they think they're doing. Five part series I've done so you can watch all [e-mail] I've wrote four number one best selling books which ain't bad for a football hooligan from Luton. You can see them on trbooks.co.uk yeah, and follow me on YouTube and on Rumble.

[Steven Crowder]

All right. And then can I, can I mention the documentaries? Will you go to jail if I mention them? I don't want to get in trouble. We're gonna go to Rumble Premium, but I'm sure you guys, if you guys know how to use the interwebs. That's the one with email, to be clear. You can find them and we may or may not have it on the bottom of the screen here at some point, but Rumble Premium go now.