Gerald (3:10)

Chicago.

Steven Crowder (3:11)

But he got some dope sneakers, so lay in the brain. Gingersnap. How are you, sir? You're here because we have a lot of breaking information.

Josh Firestein (3:18)

Well, one pale redhead for another pale redhead. You know, it just. It's an easy substitute.

Steven Crowder (3:23)

Gerald's not really a redhead, though.

Josh Firestein (3:24)

Well, when he had hair, he was a redhead.

Steven Crowder (3:26)

Yeah, I guess he came to play.

Josh Firestein (3:30)

Sorry.

Steven Crowder (3:30)

Friday, Saturday. No, no, no, don't be sorry. That's what we do. See what you can find on Josh. That hurts. That makes it sting. And throw one right down center plate. Friday, Saturday, September 26th, 27th. And me too. At Cap City Comedy Club in Austin, Texas. Hey, guys, you know what? Get out. Get out to live comedy shows. Get out. Show. Like after 9 11. Remember there was that campaign to get everyone out and to show everyone that you're not. Make sure that people know you're not afraid. And live comedy is a great way to do it in a really pretty safe environment. Josh Firestein. My show will be nothing like 9.

Austin Hunsinger (4:00)

11.

Steven Crowder (4:07)

But there might be some bombing. It won't be the 911 of comedy shows. It won't be the Linkin park of comedy shows. No, no, it won't. It's more like a McVeigh situation. Oh, geez. Okay, all right, I'm nervous. Here's the thing. I will show you. I will tell you guys, the left is violent. It's not even close. There is such a thing as right wing violence. We have not seen it in this country for a very long time, and we're praying and hoping that it does not come. But when it does rear its ugly head, it tends to be vicious. Vicious. And it tends to be something from people who are long suffering, and then people end up having enough. And if you were to craft a playbook on how to get people in this country fed up, it would be after someone being brutally, senselessly murdered in a terrorist act, still placing the blame kind of on him, and still doing things the same way. Yeah, sure. People can say, this wasn't Raoul. It shouldn't have happened, and we're sad There shouldn't be political violence. But if they keep censoring, if they keep marginalizing, if they keep referring to you as radical, if they keep vilifying you as Nazi, Hitler, racist, homophobe, that means that they want the same thing to happen to you and people are fed up. This is a really dangerous spot. I get it. So first up this morning, Fox and Friends it was announced President Trump that they were pretty confident and now they're talking about cnn. They have the mugshot that they caught. The shooter, by the way, identified as 20 year old Tyler Robinson from Utah. Here is President Trump. Levity is fine. I love how he starts off with I'm not supposed to say much but maybe a family member, maybe a minister, maybe a guy named Jonathan came forward and said, hey, I know this guy. I live at 5481 8th street so he gets increasingly specific. I appreciate it and I'd like to know more. Let's go. Any updates on the suspect?

Gerald (6:07)

Yeah, can I always say, I think just to protect us all and so Fox doesn't get sued, I think we all don't get sued and everything else. But I think with a high degree of certainty we have him, we're in custody. I don't want to go too far. I'd like to tell you some stories at how it happened. But essentially somebody that was very close to him turned him in. And that happens when you had some of those good shots. Somebody is going to say whether it's a parent or whatever, I'd rather not say right now. They're going to announce it today, sometime later, probably talk about that. Somebody that was very close to him said, hmm, that's him and essentially went to the father, went to US Marshal who was fantastic by the way. He was involved with law enforcement but was a person of faith, a minister and brought him to a U.S. marshal who was fantastic. And the father convinced the son this is it. And again, I'm always subject to be corrected. But I'm just giving you based on what I'm hearing, they'll give you a much more active. I just heard about it five minutes before I walked in. As I'm walking in.

Steven Crowder (7:21)

Yeah. And again, like we said earlier, the person identified as Tyler Robinson, a 22 year old Utah local, there's not a whole lot that we know right now bringing up cnn, they are showing the mug shot. So you guys can see that's something that we pulled earlier. Now obviously that's been confirmed. All we really know that we can confirm is there was a discord Right lane. The brain, that he was a part, that he had been radicalized recently as far as antifascist. But there's a lot of misinformation out there.

Josh Firestein (7:51)

We do have a clip of the. I don't believe. I don't know which official confirmed that he had been politically radicalized. I think it's down a couple if we want to.

Steven Crowder (7:59)

Okay, we'll get to that, because I'm kind of going in order here. This is something I want you guys to know. This is the fog of war. People say that rhetoric's irresponsible. I'm okay with it. In the fog of war. Right to. And obviously Josh knows this better than I do, but I'm talking about this ideological war here. Information gets out there, and there's a lot of misinformation, there's a lot of misdirection, and there are a lot of false accusations. And we take that pretty seriously here. Especially when people's lives are on the line. A life was taken and lives are still on the line. And I've seen since we broadcast yesterday, a chorus of people who've come out, people like Tim Pool, many different hosts, commentators, talking about the security they've had to have, the threats that they've had to deal with, the conversations with authorities all the time. And people come from. Yeah, yeah, we live on the right under this threat all the time. And that is. That is by design. And it doesn't always have to get to Nazi. They can just accuse you of being a liar, of being dishonest, of being a purveyor of fake news. And if the left media is successful in doing that, well, then you have people who think that you're doing damage. They have people who think that you're harmful and that justifies acts of violence. We saw that with Charlie Kirk and we went through that yesterday. Yesterday we showed you an internal memo, right. That was circulating at the DoJ was an exclusive leak. You can bring up that overlay. It was about the bullet engravings. We have protected our source. We confirmed it. We double triple checked. J in Mud Club undercover. The best I know to ever do it. And of course, just spoiler alert, we were correct. You guys will see this in the presser. But that didn't change the fact that yesterday, all kinds of outlets and of course, major leftist accounts accused us of making it up, accused us of lying. And this just sort of encapsulates it best.

Unidentified Analyst (10:01)

Steven Crowder this morning released an exclusive. This morning, my team received an email from an officer at the atf. The email included a screenshot from what appears to be an internal message describing a weapon and cartridges located by an ATF and other law enforcement near the scene of the Charlie Kirk shooting at Utah Valley State University. And all cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender and anti fascist ideology. And what's crazy about it isn't the fact that Stephen Crowder actually released this information. Right, of course going to go with unverified unconfirmed reports. What's actually completely unacceptable is the fact that Wall Street Journal also ran along with this report. And the report is filled to the brim with spectacular misinformation. Like they were saying that the bullets were engraved with anti fascist and pro trans messaging. Like how are you engraving the bullets? What the does that even mean? But this kind of misinformation goes crazy.

Steven Crowder (10:51)

Hold on to your butts.

Unidentified Analyst (10:52)

Deliberate piece of misinformation or do I think this was a misunderstanding that obviously got elevated by a charlatan such as Steven Crowder. The point is it doesn't matter because this is a spectacular up. The New York Times had a follow up on this and basically said a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by the atf. Analysts did not match other summaries.

Steven Crowder (11:13)

It didn't. That's why the source came to us. They were concerned that they might lie.

Unidentified Analyst (11:16)

Or misinterpret interpreted in fast moving investigations. Such status reports are not made public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information. Revealing this information on an unsubstantiated internal report is not doing journalism. It's actually doing the opposite of journalism, which CNN also did. But they said cultural phrases which a lot of people are mad about as well because they think that CNN is hiding the truth. This is the type of you expect from Steven Crowder. It's not the type of you expect from cnn.

Steven Crowder (11:44)

Okay, so charlatan. And by the way, it's fine. I mean I know that he's relatively inconsequential. We're just. Because he cited the New York Times as well. So if we release a memo and it turns out to be correct and you have people out there saying this is incorrect. He's a charlatan. I know this for a fact. Who is the liar? Who is the charlatan? There can only be one. Well, we now know the memo that we released with tremendous confidence was absolutely correct.

Narrator/Investigator (12:16)

Clip casing Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found with the rifle. Inscriptions on a Fired casing read notices, bulges, capital O, W, O. What's this? Question mark Inscriptions on the three unfired casings read, hey, fascist, exclamation point, catch exclamation point, up arrow, symbol, right arrow and symbol and three down arrow symbols. A second unfired casing read, oh, bella chow, bella chow, bella chow, chow, chow. And a third unfired casing, red. If you read this, you are gay. Lmao.

Steven Crowder (13:04)

This isn't a small thing. The cold blooded murder of Charlie Kirk was terrorism, full stop. The silencing of journalists and intimidation of people reporting the truth is a soft form of terrorism. You know the reason the source came to us first off? Because they trust us. And because they were concerned of exactly what purveyors of fake news like Hasan and New York Times, what they would do, which is exactly what they did. They were concerned that it might get buried. They were concerned that unless someone forced the hand, it might end up like Nashville. Until our investigative unit told you the truth, they were concerned that there are people potentially with ulterior motives who may not tell you the truth. And so when someone comes out with zero information, by the way, don't you love how they always simply take the word of the authorities? They have a senior law enforcement official. Okay, when we have someone, why is yours more authoritative? Oh, that's right. The intent is always to silence whistleblowers. Unless it's Assange. It's to silence people telling the truth. That's a soft form of terrorism. And let me tell you something. New York Times, and his name is Hasan. Yeah. You owe the public a retraction and an apology. Also, you know what, let me just. I'm going to point to Blaine the brain here and Jay in the investigative unit. They have done unbelievable work. Do you realize that the record our scorecard on investigative pieces is six and oh, six and oh. Every time we have told you and we have staked our reputation, we have put it on the line. We have told you the truth. And every single time you have been told that our people are lying. Every single time you have been told that it's fake news. Now take that and multiply it by thousands of the ones that we don't catch. What people like this want is for this unit here to lose credibility so that sources, so that truth tellers are afraid to blow the whistle because they don't feel like there's someone out there who can protect them. And they want you to misbelieve the truth that we're telling you. So that they have a monopoly on what it is that you believe. Even yesterday. I will tell you this is not me taking credit. The people here. It is a different culture here. And especially, you know, I think that Charlie deserves this level of accuracy of work. We here did not report as many other did fake news that the shooter was this older man. Remember that? We didn't say that. We did not tell you that it was Sky Valdez. Remember that? That was something that was circulating. We did not tell you that it was a guy named Omar. A lot of people circulated that. We did not tell you that it was this person named dj. We did not tell you. And by the way, that DJ is often used as a troll after shooting. Some of these were reported in mainstream outlets. We didn't tell you that. And we didn't tell you that it was Israel either. We did tell you that we had an exclusive source and with tremendous confidence. We knew for a fact that there was evidence on the bullet engravings that this person had been radicalized. And we told you that when there was a lack of information and the people who are tasked with telling you the truth lied to you and said it's false. Why? Because Steven Crowder. Well, it's not just me. It's everyone here who put in that work who cares enough to try and change the landscape of media right now. You understand that it's changing the landscape. 6060 so anyone else out there who has a tip, something else. No sources have been revealed. Unless they so chose later on. We protect them with our lives. We will go to jail. You know, like all the movies make journalists out to be, only it's largely a comedy show. Aaron Brockovich bitch did something with tap water. I don't remember you guys talk about that. You guys make. How about this? You realize that these people are risking life and limb because you've seen that. Don't forget this. They did the same thing to Andrew Breitbart. Six and oh, and we never got the shooter information wrong would have been easy to be first, but we know that it wouldn't be right. Can the same be said of these other outlets? And it all happens because of your support. We very much appreciate it. Consider joining. Click that button. None of this happens without you. You can gift a subscription, guys. Let's open that up. If not, we ask that you allow us to continue earning your support. We don't have donors. No money from Qatar, no money from the Jews. No giant nonprofit, no corporate umbrella. I own 100% of what you see. And we really are a tightly knit team here. And everyone here does great work. So please send them your love. Jay Lane, the brain, George the Greek, everyone here. Josh, Gerald, everyone. So let's get to what we do know. A family member told investigators that Robinson had become politically radicalized. As we were discussing, but confirmed in recent years.

Narrator/Investigator (18:36)

Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years. The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner prior to September 10th. And in the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk with was coming to uvu. They talked about why they didn't like him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.

Steven Crowder (19:05)

Yeah, now just soften it a little bit right now. Right. The left goes, oh, let's just for a little while, let's just not say the hate and Nazi thing. Let's just ch. Let's just say Charlie Kirk who held radical views. Hey, here's the thing too. I bet I know if Charlie was. Was here, you know what you say? Like what? Like what? What makes it radical? The fringe. Yeah. It's not the fringe that was following Charlie Kirk. Right? Yeah.

Josh Firestein (19:34)

There's one thing the news media that the left is going to try to do here, and it is pin him as coming from a Republican family because his parents are registered Republicans. They're a nice upper middle class family. Seem to be by all accounts very well off.

Steven Crowder (19:46)

Yeah.

Josh Firestein (19:46)

And we look through the mother's Facebook. It seems like a pretty traditional kind of family structure. Would there not be other times in history when a son has rebelled against the family?

Steven Crowder (19:56)

Yeah.

Josh Firestein (19:56)

So let's just kind of cut that narrative off before it starts.

Steven Crowder (20:00)

Well, if that wasn't the norm, Hot Topic wouldn't exist. Screw you, Mom. I'm gonna have all the chains in my pants. I don't care if you say I can't have a studded belt, I'm gonna get one anyway. You mean it sound like Chico Marley coming down the stairs, you stupid bitch. Now.

Josh Firestein (20:18)

That'S a crazy reference.

Steven Crowder (20:20)

Yeah, that was pretty specific. It sounded personal and I don't remember. It's Jacob Marley. Right, The Muppets. Because there's two of them, so I.

Josh Firestein (20:27)

Forget which one was the role in the high school play of A Christmas Carol and all the senior girls laughed at me.

Steven Crowder (20:32)

Really? Yes.

Josh Firestein (20:33)

I didn't sing very well.

Steven Crowder (20:34)

No, you didn't. You didn't give a great Scrooge other info too. Yeah. Republican family. The shooter. This was confirmed. Tried to coordinate recovery of the rifle used on discord messages.

Narrator/Investigator (20:46)

The content of these messages included messages affiliated with the contact Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, messages related to a. To visually watching the area where a rifle was left, and a message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.

Steven Crowder (21:10)

Yeah, so this one is. This one seems to be pretty clear. And by the way, one last thing we're going to bring on our guests. The engravings on the casings. That's not. That's not clickbait. That's relevant. That is relevant because the shooter was still out there at that time. And a lot of us, a lot of you were on the menu. Wouldn't it be nice to have a motive and ideology to go along with the terrorist at large? Just think about how irresponsible it is for Hasan and New York and these places say, no, no, no, no, no. That's not legitimate to try and so doubt when they have no evidence themselves. You don't hate the media and the left enough. You lived in real time yesterday. Why? They're violent. There are kids growing up who think, man, their crowd lies about everything. They don't realize that it's 60 always correct. There were people going, man, Charlie Kirk wants to erase, wants to genocide all trans. They believe it because the media says it nonstop. And that's by design. Do you think they think they for a second don't know that it's not true? And do you think for a second that they don't know it's dangerous to tell you that you think the most trusted names in news don't at some point go away? Well, gee golly, maybe we shouldn't tell people out there that. That this guy wants to commit genocide and he's a Nazi. Of course they do. They do it anyway. Just like yesterday when we provided you with information that could help keep you safe, Their primary focus was to tell you that everyone here is a liar. Everyone here deserves an apology and a retraction, but I bet we won't get it. And for the same reason the trust and credibility that everyone here has built up. And again, this is a team effort. I cannot take credit for laying the brain. You were reached out. Someone reached out through the line tip line to be on the show. This is Austin Hunsinger. Yes. And he was there that day. Yep.

Josh Firestein (23:17)

He was 10 or so people back in line getting ready to ask Charlie a question.

Steven Crowder (23:21)

That's right. And he had gone at one point to Utah Valley and He was a UVU student and army veteran, and he's a coach. I understand.

Josh Firestein (23:30)

Yeah, he's a middle school football coach.

Steven Crowder (23:31)

Middle school football coach. And please tell me we have him here. Yep. And, guys, thank you, everyone out there. This is. I'm gonna try and give this man the floor because I can imagine he's still processing a lot of information, and I want to do right by him. We're all dealing with this in real time. This all happens because of your support. Let's bring on Austin Hunsinger. Austin, how are you, sir? Can you see me? Can you hear me?

Austin Hunsinger (24:00)

I can see. I can hear. Steven, I appreciate you.

Steven Crowder (24:03)

I appreciate you being here, sir. Thank you for reaching out. And for people who don't know, could. I want to make sure that. Give you the floor and not cut you off. Tell people your story, your background a little bit in where you were that day.

Austin Hunsinger (24:21)

So just a little about me. I grew up in upstate New York. I joined the military, the army, as an artilleryman when I was 19. Spent seven and a half years doing that with. At Fort Bragg and then also Fort Drum. I deployed to Afghanistan in 2011. Now I'm balancing. Starting my own company, back and forth to school. I just recently took a semester off from a political science degree at uvu. Imagine, if you will, the American education system kind of ruined that for me. And understanding what political science really is.

Steven Crowder (24:58)

From that standpoint, as it has everybody. Yes.

Austin Hunsinger (25:01)

Yeah. I thought I was getting into something great, and then all of a sudden I get in there and I'm like.

Steven Crowder (25:06)

What are we doing as a country?

Austin Hunsinger (25:07)

Why is this normal? But needless to say, then I. As I came to Utah two years ago, I firmly believe that God put a coaching opportunity in my lap. I am lds. I've always wanted to coach football. And let me tell you, it's one of the most rewarding experiences of my life. I'm actually skipping out on practice, though, right now to be here with you.

Steven Crowder (25:32)

I know, and I appreciate. I hate it. I hate to pull you from it. We just. I'm really grateful to have you here.

Austin Hunsinger (25:38)

What I have to say is more important right now, and if there's anything I want to portray those boys is that people speak their mind and not be afraid of what happens to you if you do.

Steven Crowder (25:51)

Sorry. No, ma', am, don't apologize.

Austin Hunsinger (25:56)

I. I was pretty excited for Charlie Kirk to come to uvu. You know, I've watched him for years. And that's not to say that I've agreed with every single thing that he says, you know, it's a prove me wrong platform. I wasn't there to say, yeah, man, we're totally cool. Let's talk about this thing that we agree on. That's not what Charlie represented. He wanted to bring people, people's ideas that challenged him. Right. And so I got there about two hours early to get to the front of the line because I wanted an opportunity to ask my question. Because it's, it's one of the things that I disagree with him about. And, you know, I, I see a lot of people talking about, like you mentioned, on the left, it's all, you know, Charlie Kirk's a bigot, he's hateful, he's radical. But then you on the right side, you have, it's an inside job. It's. It's this political assassination set up by this, that and the third, you know, deep state this. And I see all of this stuff, and it completely misses the mark of what was happening and what's important about what took place at uvu. When I was standing in line, everyone around each other in the line, we were asking it, well, what's your question? What are you going to talk to him about? And we would discuss it, right? There was a, a kid in front of me who had a take on immigration that I don't agree with whatsoever. And his friend with similar values was trying to role play for Charlie so that he wouldn't be nervous when he got up there. Because we see countless times, you know, kids get up there and they're shaky and they don't have their thoughts together. And I thought to myself, you know, let me step in here and say, listen, I don't agree with you on this. I'm not going to discuss that part of it with you. What I want to do is make sure you're not nervous so you don't feel like a fool when you go up to talk to Charlie. I agree with Charlie on this particular issue. Let me be the guy. And I'm a big dude. This kid is a lot smaller than me. So in more ways than one, it presents an opportunity to give him an opportunity to be nervous, get over those nerves and go ask Charlie something that he disagrees with him on. And so to me, in that moment, I thought to myself, how great is this that we can, even before we get to the mark, even before we get to Charlie, we can sit here and calmly talk about issues that we're going to bring up, disagree with each other. There were no fights, there were no screaming, no hollering. There were two girls behind me that took a stance on abortion that I don't agree with, period. And they were saying expletives about Charlie and this, that, and the third. They were pretty, pretty far left and I understood that. So instead of discussing with them their issue, we talked about stupid stuff like if, if you had celebrity parents, who would you want them to be? Because they're obviously very pop culture college student girls.

Steven Crowder (28:52)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (28:53)

So I, I found common ground with them even though it wasn't political. And nobody is talking about how that's the, the platform that Charlie Kirk at his events provided even before anybody got to the mic. And this dude, I don't even want to say his name because I think the big, the biggest issue that we have as a media is putting these people out there because in their unintelligent crazy minds, they want that attention now. They're famous. Now they're this, this person that they always wanted to be. So I'm not even going to say his name, but this shooter took that away from us. He took people who are, who were leftists. Right. Who were, who are on the right, but who disagreed with me. They took the ability for them to talk to me and have the opportunity to convince me of their standpoint. Yeah, right. But you completely remove the freedom of speech that you say you, you value so much when you do do something like that.

Steven Crowder (29:50)

Yeah. And I will tell you, you know, the same thing with, with change my mind was that that's what it wasn't with the faculty who would do it where they'd revoke a permit and students would. Exactly what you're talking about. They would say, yeah, we don't have a problem with it. You have the loudest voices. And you'd have teachers like this and you'd have deans. No, no, no. We'd end up on a sidewalk. And we knew that we could no longer keep it safe. But that's always what it was supposed to be. It was, hey, the left always said, can we have, hey, can we have civil dialogue? But they would make it incumbent upon us to cool temperatures. And I called, I said, yeah, okay, let's do that. Anyone can talk. Anyone can talk. And this is. They're conceding that they've lost the war of ideas. That's a big thing. The people who act like this, they can't win in a dialogue of ideas. Let me ask you this, since you were there, and please feel free at any point if you don't want to talk about it or what you do want to discuss. This is your floor. You were there when this happened. What was going through your mind, if you can remember? I would imagine a lot of shock and just an adrenaline dump.

Austin Hunsinger (30:57)

Well, it's interesting and part of the reason I came forward is because I understand other people who haven't been in wartime situations. You know, I was in northeastern Afghanistan in the, you know, close to the Pest River Valley. We went into the Korengal Valley to ran an air assault mission there. Right. We were five miles from where Restrepo was filmed. Like, it's, it's, it's not something I expected to experience for the rest of my life, but I'm grateful that I have the wherewithal to okay, this happened. I went and talked to a therapist friend that night just to, hey, I'm coming over. I just want you to ask me some questions, make sure I'm okay. And then now it's a. I'm okay enough to talk about it. So I, I appreciate your, your empathy there, but quite frankly, we had had discussions. I had had discussions with people around me because what I couldn't believe is, is what we call that in, in the military. Charlie was in a kill box, Stephen. I know we call that a textbook kill box.

Steven Crowder (31:59)

I know.

Austin Hunsinger (32:00)

And so I, I'm not trying to discredit any of the wonderful security that he had, the, the ex military, these guys, right? But there was a balcony over top from where he was at. And I said, hey, guys, listen, I'm a vet. This is, these are just things that I consider and think about. I don't like crowds. When I get into crowds, I calm myself down by developing a plan, right? And so I said, the most likely threat is going to be from the balcony above him. Because there were a bunch of people who disagreed with Charlie. They had the Pride Trans flag with the triangle, you know, that they had signs. They did move them down, right? But I said, listen, the safest spot is going to be up against the wall, because the shooters, if there's a shooter or somebody up there, they're going to have hard angle. Your easiest exit is down through the tunnel. Right? And I had that conversation with multiple people. I had the conversation of, you know, constitutional carry in Utah, which I firmly support. It's the biggest threat and the biggest security simultaneously to this event. Right, right. And so we, we talked about that and we talked about, you know, what could it happen in Utah? Would it happen here? And, and obviously the, the threat is low because of, of who Utah as our, what our identity is as Utahans, even though I'm from New York, I've become a Utah, Right? But then as Charlie came out, you know, the cheers. He's throwing out hats. I caught one. I gave it to a girl that was much more excited to be there than I was. You know, I tried to slip it to her husband so that he could give it to her. That failed. But then the first question, of course, Utah is going to Utah, was about lds, right? LDS versus Protestantism. And Charlie was super gracious. He expressed his love for us as LDS people, which. Which we're so grateful for. And then the second person gets up, and this is the. I don't buy into any conspiracy. I think about what did I see, what makes sense? I don't care what you guys think. Who are halfway across the country. And so the second person gets up, and he starts asking a question about transgender shooters, right? And Charlie. Charlie does what Charlie does, and he tries to separate one thing from the other to present a clear point. And he. He asked about the gang violence, and you just hear a pop, a really loud pop. And in my head, it went firework. Gunshot. Right. And so the reason firework came out of my mind so fast is nobody's gonna be dumb enough to light up fireworks here. That's just the most idiotic thing you could do, right? And so Harley slumps over, and everybody starts to duck. And I'm so grateful that I talked about that plan with people in my mind, because I started screaming, everybody up against the wall. Go out through the tunnel. Out through the tunnel. Up against the wall. And it was. It was chaos. You know, it was. Did this really happen? Is Charlie okay? Right. And I had my doubts from the beginning. I'm not dumb. I've been in a war zone before. I'm not dumb. I understand how those things look and what's gonna. I. I knew it before I heard the. The. The reports come out.

Steven Crowder (35:05)

Yeah.

Austin Hunsinger (35:06)

And then I. I walked around the school making sure people are okay, that there are some people that got a little trampled. I checked up on them.

Steven Crowder (35:13)

And.

Austin Hunsinger (35:14)

And believe me, I'm not trying to come off as some hero. I'm just tell.

Steven Crowder (35:18)

You don't need to say it. I will say that you did absolutely act heroically, and you don't need to look. I know that it's who you are, and you served, and so you're being humble. I will tell you that you did. And I will tell you not just the physical lives that you saved, but people will remember that, you know, what huge Impact is people just knowing that there's someone next to them who cares. That's not a small thing, man.

Austin Hunsinger (35:38)

I appreciate it. So then I thought to myself, okay, what in these situations do we look for? There's one shot, but we don't know for a fact that it's one shooter. Right, right. Because schools like this, especially uvu, with the liberal arts hallway. The liberal arts hallway is this really, really long. It's probably a 200 yard hallway where everybody has to go to take a class. And it's a huge threat because you've got a lot of people in a confined space. So I thought to myself, this whole school is a huge threat if we group up. So then I went around and I got on chairs when I said, listen, we don't know who the shooter was. And they're like. Because there were those reports about George Zinn or whoever was taken into custody, they're like, oh, they got him. I said, they might have got one person.

Steven Crowder (36:21)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (36:22)

We don't know if there's somebody else. So the last thing we need to do. I understand you want to pray, I'll pray with you. But then we got to go. You get. Go home. Go home. And then I went and sat in my car. Traffic out the. Out of the parking lots was in a standstill for about two hours. And I'm watching the news. I see videos, you know, that I didn't want to see, that nobody really wants to see and relive it. And then this nut job gets on Fox News talking about, I know it wasn't George Zane. It's an inside job. This, that, and the third. And I thought to myself, I can't sit here and let this happen.

Steven Crowder (36:54)

Yeah.

Austin Hunsinger (36:55)

Without telling the part of the story that I'm telling you. So I walked all the way across campus to that camera. I said, no, this is what was going down.

Steven Crowder (37:02)

Yeah.

Austin Hunsinger (37:03)

Forget about whether it's an inside job. Forget about the conspiracies. We were having discourse, and somebody took that away from us.

Steven Crowder (37:09)

Yeah. Well, there's people, obviously. It's hard to address all. And there's so many conspiracies, but so many of them defy reason. You know, I don't know if you know this, but an antique. 30:06 Mauser bolt action rifle is actually not standard issue for Mossad. And it's just one of those things that people just. It's the click and the click and the click and the click and not being truthful. And so that's why I think your story is so Important. I wanted to touch on something because you said kill box. And I've avoided talking about this because there's no one to blame but the terrorist who shot Charlie Kirk. But there are very few people who can relate to being in that spot and have done it for a very long time. And I stopped doing it because it became less safe. Yeah. I don't know about you, but I did have feelings of anger where I was going. How could you that you're going, this was missed. Right. Because as a man, you're like, you could do something for. For us. When we did change of mind, we never announced it because we had one really close call. We never had a speaker because we knew that that could. Now you don't know who's in the crowd hearing it. Right. It was always an intimate conversation because then people can get riled up. And never because early on I was reckless. A balcony, our back was to a wall. You can see those changes. And I'm sitting there going, like you said, killbox. And it's not to denigrate any security, but I remember feeling so angry and mad going, this could have been a lot safer. There are precautions. And this is something. When we talk about moving forward, we can't miss some of the obvious security measures that could be undertaken to keep people safe. It's not a game. There are psychos in real life. You can't go out there, announce it in advance in a place where there are going to be balconies if you can't secure them. And it broke my heart, but I kept going back and forth between obviously anger and rage with the terrorism and, hey, we can't be silenced. And then you always try and look for a solution. You're angry and you go, how could this be missed? He could maybe still be alive. And then you just have to give it to God and go like, we can do the best we can and try and coach people how to do the best they can going forward.

Austin Hunsinger (39:17)

Yeah. You know, I again, just. I don't want mean to beat a dead horse, but I don't want to discredit the efforts of the security that were there. Of course, there were many, many. Anybody that says that there was no security.

Steven Crowder (39:30)

No.

Austin Hunsinger (39:30)

Just doesn't understand how to pick out a plainclothes officer. Right. We were. I was discussing with the people in line. You see that guy right there? He's a security guy.

Steven Crowder (39:39)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (39:39)

You're not going to be able to tell it, but I'm telling you right now, he's in that spot for that purpose, right? But those emotions of after it happens, why didn't I see it? Why didn't I see it? Right? There's video of the shooter, which it might have been the shooter, it might not. It's not detailed enough. But the video of the people walking up like, hey, is that a guy on the roof? You know, I could care less or couldn't care less about whether they not they reported it. It's like, why didn't I see it? Why didn't I look up and around, right? And, and then I, I go through and I'm, I'm so serious. I'm not trying to discredit security, but to find out that there were a built cement stairs to that roof on that campus, right? And so I, I think about it, it's like, did we learn nothing from the Pennsylvania, the Butler, Pennsylvania shooter, Right? Every single roof with view to that site should have been swept. And our varsity staff uses a $750 drone with live feed to the controller. Right? So there are those things, but it's, it's just, how, how do we miss that? But at the same token, I don't want to discredit the fact that Charlie knew the risks. That's, that's what's motivating me to speak. And, and I felt like, you know, this dude, I guarantee you he doesn't have security unless he thinks to himself every single day, this might be the one. This might be the one. And so I respect him so much and I understand there's the risks and what might happen because there's, like you said, you had the close call, but like I told another reporter, the last thing I want this to do is to make anybody who wants to speak or nobody's going to fill Charlie's shoes. But do what Charlie did. Do what, what do. And I don't care if it's a liberal or, or, or a conservative, be willing to sacrifice your life for what you believe in. Because that's what Charlie did. I very much firmly believe that that's exactly what Charlie did. Because I, like I said, you can't have that kind of security and those kinds of setups without understanding that every show might be the last one.

Steven Crowder (42:01)

Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was talking about too, yesterday, where people say they'll say this all the time about not just child, but I'm going to go. He was fearless. No, he wasn't. He was brave. He was brave. And there's a difference, I guarantee you, because every time I've sat in that chair, and it gets dicey. I am terrified. And I guarantee you he felt the same way. I have gone. I have lived that nightmare in actual dreams hundreds of times. I guarantee you he did. All of us who have been in those positions do it. People are now coming out. Tim Poole came out. I think someone. I think Andrew Tate is one example. There are a bunch of people saying, did you know there was an attempt on my life last week? Did you know that I was swatted last month? We live under this cloud all the time. And if it's a liberal on campus, great. They won't need. I would encourage them to have it, but they won't need. They don't fear the same kind of repercussions. My dad was talking about this yesterday. Maya Angelou, I believe it was at the SMU campus. The guy said to my dad, well, why does Steven Crowder need this kind of security? Maya Angelou was here and didn't. And my dad said, and why do you think that is? And I hope that that does open people's eyes, because this is an act of terrorism. It really is. It's. Do you want to change people's minds? Do you want to change people's hearts? Do you want to impact the country more than you want to be a dad, more than you want your kids to have a dad? We're going to give you a choice to make. And I appreciate you saying that because I'm sure that you've gone back and forth. I know a lot of people have, where you go, it's not worth the risk. Should I take all the measures and you've discussed this, the risk management that you possibly can. Right. Say a prayer and set a guard. In this case, set every guard you can and let them know that they can't win. And I think it requires a little more aggressivity now because people understand the threat. Charlie Kirk sat down at a table, only espoused peace, and they took his life anyway. Yeah.

Austin Hunsinger (43:49)

You know, I think about, what does this mean? Where do we go from here? And another reporter asked me, what do you think this means? What do you think the reaction will be? And how do you feel about it? And I said, first of all, it scares me to death. Right? It scares me. You see the ultrasound pictures on my. On my whiteboard? I have a son, my first son, who's about to be born here in the next two months. What kind of world? I appreciate it. What kind of world does this bring us into? Right? And I thought to myself, you know, people are talking civil war, which I think is here. I think we're here right now. The civil war concept is. Is way up there. But at the same token, and this goes for conservatives and liberals alike, how you behave reaches a point to where the answer is not going to be from a voting booth.

Steven Crowder (44:45)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (44:45)

Right. It eventually reach. We might be really far off from that point. Some people think we're really close. I have no opinion. I'm more of a. Prepare for it for when it comes. Right. But when you act like this, that is the. You. You send people more toward that outcome. And I don't want to see it. I don't want to live it, because I don't care if you agree with me or not. I don't want to fight you. And that's what Charlie embodied is agree with me or not, I'm not here to fight you. And so it's just. I don't understand. People say, don't talk politics at Thanksgiving. Don't talk politics at Christmas. Why not?

Steven Crowder (45:27)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (45:28)

The people that you care about the most should be the people that you are willing to discuss these difficult things with.

Steven Crowder (45:36)

Yeah.

Austin Hunsinger (45:36)

And if. If you ruin your relationships based on that. Were they close to you? Did you love them in the first place? Right, Right. But having these difficult conversations, just circling back to that. Sorry. To quote James Hockey there. Circling.

Steven Crowder (45:54)

That's okay. Hey, you know, she. She took it from you. You can. You can take it back. Okay.

Austin Hunsinger (46:00)

Just to circle back to my main point of what Charlie embodied, there were a handful of things that I thought, charlie, you're really off base. I disagree.

Steven Crowder (46:08)

Sure.

Austin Hunsinger (46:09)

But he gave us a platform to talk about it.

Steven Crowder (46:11)

Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. And, you know, here's a good example. You said you're lds. I'm not.

Austin Hunsinger (46:19)

Yes.

Steven Crowder (46:20)

Long time ago, I had a convert Crowder week, and we had. I think we had lds. We had Catholics. I don't know if we had a Jehovah's Witness. But here's the thing. I've had these conversations with Mormons often. And if someone. If I have a conversation with you and you have a conversation with me, and let's say you're trying to convert me and I'm trying to convert you, Even if we don't agree, that means we care. It means that each one of us is trying to save the other's soul, that may sound offensive. But if it's the truth and you think someone's soul may be in jeopardy, it means you care to try and speak truth to them. And I always, usually have very good conversations with Mormons about that and about scripture and where I disagree. But I know that it means they care. And in no way am I offended.

Austin Hunsinger (46:58)

Yeah, for sure. You know, a lot of people talk. Now let me set the record straight. I'm this kind of LDS.

Steven Crowder (47:05)

Okay. You might drink a Dr. Pepper every now and then.

Austin Hunsinger (47:10)

I'm not gonna strip, strip down and show my tattoos and I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do things anymore. But for 15 years I wasn't right. And so, but what I realized is that the life I'm living according to the way that I want to live is not going to work out. It's, it didn't work out for a really long time and I finally came around. But anyway, when it comes to lds, missionaries are some of the most attacked people. Oh, well, then you shouldn't be bothering it. At our door we had a no soliciting sign, this, that, and the third. But the, the analogy that I love is if I have a hundred trillion dollars of cash in, in a briefcase and I can give cash to whoever I want, I can, I can change their lives. I can, I can bring them success. I can help them out in whatever way I want. I'm of course going to go knock on doors, hey, you want, you want, here's, here's a hundred grand. Can you use it? Right. And so with, with the way we believe about our faith and the way we profess our faith, it's like we firmly believe in this path to, to exaltation and eternal life. The primary focus of Christ and God to us is to bring out, bring upon, or excuse me, bring about the eternal life of man.

Steven Crowder (48:29)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (48:30)

If I know that I can live forever, and I know that you can live forever, but if I say I, I just want to be the only one that's incredibly selfish and self, self absorbed.

Steven Crowder (48:41)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (48:42)

And so with going to, to back to the, the debate format.

Steven Crowder (48:48)

Yeah.

Austin Hunsinger (48:49)

Cliff Connectley is not the biggest fan of LDS people, which is fine.

Steven Crowder (48:53)

Sure.

Austin Hunsinger (48:53)

Right. But one thing that he says and in one of his videos is of course I have racist friends, of course I have bigoted friends, of course I have homophobic friends, of course I have non Christian atheist friends who I disagree with.

Steven Crowder (49:11)

Yeah.

Austin Hunsinger (49:11)

Because if I don't have them as friends, if I don't have them as acquaintances and people that I, that I can talk to, there is a zero percent chance that I can convince them of my beliefs.

Steven Crowder (49:22)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (49:22)

Or that I can convince them of what I firmly believe is Right, Yeah. But if I am acquainted with those people, if I am friendly with those people, there now becomes a half a percent chance, a 1% chance, 2% chance. No matter how slim it is, you still need to take advantage of the opportunity to discuss with people. And that same perspective applies to leftists. If they're so set and what they believe is correct and true, have friends and acquaintances of people who are not of the same viewpoint.

Gerald (49:55)

So.

Austin Hunsinger (49:55)

Because that's the only way you're going to convince them to come over.

Steven Crowder (49:58)

Well, I think, I think acquaintances. I would also caution people from keeping them in the circle of trust just because I know how that turns out. Right. You need to good advisors, but convincing people. But you know, the same applies. I think it's really relevant here. Trans. Look, it's a 42% attempted suicide rate before transition and it's the same after. It doesn't work. Right. And so if you're speaking to someone in love who's committing the genocide, the person who's trying to say, hey, learn to love and accept that it's really difficult to fight biology, or the people who say, let's enable it because the results are in. And that's something that, you know, it's, hey, if I know something that could improve your life, then you can apply the same for the rest of the country. I know that's what Charlie talked about, hey, there's a better way for this to go. That is truth in love. And I know you have to go and I have to go back to practice. But you know, one thing, I know you talked about looking at this, your background in military and security, seeing this look, you can't spot everything. You said, why didn't I look up? You can't spot, especially when you're in the heat of the moment. But if ever you think it would be helpful or you'd like to and kind of get a portion of this back, we may have an event that if you'd like to come in and help eye out some security so you can maybe cathartically feel proactive and keep some eyes on it, it's up to you. I'd like to avail the opportunity because we do that every time and there are some up, there's some in the works and it's going to be a different level of security and an approach. So if you'd like to be a part of that, you are, you are welcome to because I know that you care and you know what you're talking about and I know I can also understand why you would want to toss it as far as humanly possible.

Austin Hunsinger (51:44)

I figured out after five years of not knowing what I'm doing with myself after the military that I need to do everything that gives me purpose.

Steven Crowder (51:52)

Right.

Austin Hunsinger (51:52)

Football, for one. And I'm not going to sit here. You know, there are guys in the military that I know that will watch. This would probably be like, Hunsinger's not a pro, right. He's. We didn't do that kind of stuff. And as an artilleryman in Afghanistan. So I can't claim to have the sort of the experience and expertise to be. To lead that kind of team, but it would be a pleasure to be on the team to share viewpoints.

Steven Crowder (52:14)

Absolutely. And we would love to have you. And I will leave this interview with people use the term hero. You acted heroically. And we will never know how many lives you may have saved or not. That's one of those numbers that only God can know. But I will tell you this. A lot of people only think of themselves. They duck down and run. And those people who don't have your experience, those people who've never been in a situation like that, knowing that there was someone there who was thinking of someone other than themselves and was there to help is very powerful. And that's something you'll keep with you forever. And you know what? That's indicative man of who you are, because those moments test us. It's a pressure cooker. And, hey, I know you got to send them the way. I'd be really proud. And I hope that he can see this forever and know what his. What his dad is like and who his dad was. Because I also know you're probably not the guy to say it, but I'll make sure that I do and I'll tell everyone I can.

Austin Hunsinger (53:18)

It's hard because, you know, you think about all the things wrong you've done in your life. But I appreciate it, Stephen. Thank you.

Steven Crowder (53:23)

Hey, doesn't matter, man. We all make mistakes. If God can forgive you, what's some morning show? Comedian, journalist. Of course we all do bad stuff, but you did a lot of good that day. I really appreciate it. I'm glad you were there. And we'll reach out to you soon, Austin, I really appreciate it. Please be well, be safe and get some rest.

Austin Hunsinger (53:43)

Absolutely. Take care.

Steven Crowder (53:44)

God bless you, Austin. Hunsing everybody. And let's make sure we. Yeah, we stay in touch and get him on the team for sure. You always feel awkward because, you know, someone could be like, absolutely not, and terrified, but, you know There is something to be said for getting it back. You know, as an athlete, sometimes a rematch where it's like, hey, you can just be a part of a team in one where someone lives, and maybe it'll help, maybe it won't. But you always get this. It's always the people who are actually, you know what? I'm just going to say Josh does the same thing. Like, I know Josh has done some heroic things that he won't talk about. Josh has been in it. And unlike a lot of people out there who will give you a bunch of, I mean, accolades for themselves, Josh doesn't talk about it a whole lot. And he's done a whole lot. And we joke about it, the thank you for your service thing, but everyone here has a lot of respect for what he's done. And usually the guys doing it, focusing on the work aren't the guys who are the best at singing from the rooftops the work they do. And I know you're uncomfortable, and I know you're probably mad at me for saying that, Josh, but it's true. It's true. You've done a lot of heroic shit, my friend. Arguable. All right, all right. Well, that's more than me, more than me, more than us. And yes, you have something new, some update.

Josh Firestein (55:00)

I didn't want to cut in our guests, but we do have some breaking exclusive information that we have exclusive information. So what it is, is some internal documents from the Utah County Sheriff describing the arrest of the suspect. And what I have in my hands here is the internal booking sheet now, or the inmate booking sheet.

Steven Crowder (55:17)

And this was sent undercover. Got this exclusively right now.

Josh Firestein (55:19)

Mug Club Undercover obtained this exclusively. As we. As far as we can tell, it's not public anywhere.

Steven Crowder (55:24)

Okay.

Josh Firestein (55:25)

I've read through the document. It seems to be what the officials were reading off of at the press conference earlier. And it basically doesn't corroborate. It is word for word what they were saying. So we have that in our hands now. We'll make that public so people can see runs through basically the day of the event, the shooter's movements, and how they determine who the suspect was. Like, we played the clip of how he was radicalized and came to hate Charlie Kirk. And then at the end, I think they got into this a little bit at the press conference. But this guy was a. A dumbass. The suspect, because he gets on discord and starts sending messages. What appears to be his roommate, as the investigator identified him and talked about the rifle drop point and how he Changed clothes. And the messages also referred to engraving on bullets, which according to Hasan is just impossible to do.

Steven Crowder (56:15)

Yeah.

Josh Firestein (56:16)

So not only do we have.

Steven Crowder (56:17)

Yeah, it's impossible. I don't know if any bullets or rounds because there's no more difficult metal to work with than brass. Yeah, it's incredibly difficult.

Josh Firestein (56:26)

They're mentioned.

Steven Crowder (56:26)

I don't know how people reload rounds. I know. I don't know how old 65 year olds with no grip strength have a reloading setup in their garage. It's a really, it's a really solid metal that wouldn't possibly be able to have a pin that gets fired on. You ever try working with lead? You need diamond cutters.

Josh Firestein (56:40)

We have the silly to make 3 nanometer microchips that you can't even see with your eyes. And they don't think a little guy can get this dork.

Steven Crowder (56:48)

Yeah, Dremel. Yeah. Can't find a $30 Dremel. Oh man.

Josh Firestein (56:53)

The drill that gets associated with this. The stock price is going down real quick.

Steven Crowder (56:56)

It's another plot from Big Ryobi. I'm sorry, Dremel, I didn't mean to.

Josh Firestein (57:00)

But we'll make these public on X so people can see them. But it's just corroborating further what the official said.

Steven Crowder (57:07)

Well, I know you're in here, so guys, make that public right now, please. And then we'll obviously get this clip up and I'm sure what.

Josh Firestein (57:14)

And anybody else that has a tip, please.

Steven Crowder (57:16)

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Austin Hunsinger (58:41)

For today.