Charlie Kirk Conspiracies Spread Like Wildfire: What's Really Going On?

Summary

Louder with Crowder Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Charlie Kirk Conspiracies Spread Like Wildfire: What's Really Going On?
Date: September 22, 2025
Host: Steven Crowder
Guests/Regulars: Erica Kirk, Josh Feuerstein, Others

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the aftermath and rampant conspiracy theories following the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk. Steven Crowder and his team dedicate nearly the entire show to sifting through facts, media reports, misinformation, and speculation related to the event. With a focus on transparency and "verifying what you can with your own eyes," Crowder attempts to categorically separate what is known, unknown, and rumored about the tragic shooting.

The tone oscillates between somber reflection—especially regarding Kirk’s memorial and legacy—and Crowder’s trademark irreverence and satire. The hosts take pains to address and debunk the most viral conspiracy theories, while also acknowledging where information is incomplete or authorities have failed to be clear.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Setting the Mission: Fact-Checking vs Misinformation

• Crowder feels many in the studio, and his audience, have been misled at least once by misinformation regarding the shooting.
• Importance is stressed on verifying facts and separating them from prevailing narratives and wild conspiracy theories circulating, especially on platforms like YouTube and X/Twitter.

Quote [02:01]:

"There are so many narratives, and then they get mixed with conspiracies. ...Dividing those into categories will help you form your own opinion...the truth really is what's most important."
— Steven Crowder

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Segment 1: Memorial and Legacy of Charlie Kirk (15:54–21:18)

• Crowder reflects on the immense outpouring at Kirk’s memorial (over 200,000 in attendance), calling it a historic event for a non-head-of-state.
• Emphasis on Kirk’s commitment to seeking truth and his forgiveness even towards opponents, contrasted with Crowder’s own unapologetic hostility toward political adversaries.
• Media and left-wing responses sharply critiqued, with particular scorn for Destiny’s tweet comparing the memorial to a Nazi rally.

Quote [19:01]:

"I forgive him."
— Erica Kirk (on the assassin)

Quote [19:07]:

"Forgiveness is something that’s pretty unique to this rally. Didn’t stop alleged homosexual, alleged attempted murder Destiny from writing... ‘This Charlie Kirk memorial is indistinguishable from a Nazi rally.’"
— Steven Crowder

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Segment 2: Separating Facts, Unknowns, and Theories (23:00–48:55)

A. What We Know:

• Shooter Identified: 22-year-old Tyler Robinson

  • Radicalized by leftist ideology (supported by chats with friends/family and a gay, trans roommate)
  • Bullet casings with engravings—confirmed by DOD/DOJ

• Timeline (Timestamps):

  • 8:07 am: Robinson seen scouting the area (ring camera footage)
  • 11:49–11:51 am: Robinson seen with a limp (presumed hiding rifle on his leg)
  • 12:15–12:22 pm: Climbs onto roof, assembles rifle on-site
  • 12:23 pm: Shooting occurs
  • 12:23–12:24 pm: Suspect jumps off roof, fleeing with rifle wrapped in a towel (video confirmed)
  • 8 pm (following day): Robinson turns himself in at his parents’ home in Washington, Utah

• Verification of Events:

  • No evidence the shooter changed outfits multiple times; only two outfit changes corresponding to public timeline footage
  • Graphic footage of the shooting has largely been scrubbed (with consensus that it is among the most disturbing non-war footage)
  • Initial media reports about Kirk’s family being present during the shooting were incorrect; they were not on-site
  • TPUSA employee removed a rear-view camera post-shooting for security, not evidence tampering (SD cards now with authorities)

Quote [24:18]:

"Even though this shooter didn't, he used the sayings from Antifa, which by the way, permeate all of the Internet...if he did say 'I'm doing this for Antifa,' it would not have been listed as political violence."
— Steven Crowder

B. What We Don’t Know:

• Who, if anyone, had prior knowledge of the attack
• Whether any other individuals were involved
• The shooter’s exact movements immediately after the crime
• Definitive proof whether Kirk was wearing a bulletproof vest or plate carrier that day (contradictory reports and ambiguous images)
• Some details about the rifle and texts remain unverified/uncorroborated

"We don’t know if Charlie Kirk was wearing a plate carrier or a bulletproof vest. ...The only definitive statement is from Ms. Erica Kirk saying he generally didn’t wear one."
— Steven Crowder [44:54]

C. What We’ve Been Told (But Not Independently Verified):

• Shooter supposedly dumped rifle in the woods (gun found wrapped in towel)
• Text exchanges between suspect and boyfriend are odd and potentially staged, but not conclusively shown to be fabricated by authorities/feds
• Claims about shooter’s movements (e.g., Dairy Queen sighting) are consistent with available evidence, but have been misrepresented (he was not in two places at once)

Quote [41:24]:

"It could be, hey, someone could have planted it where it could have been written by the feds because he’s a patsy, he's a fall guy."
— Steven Crowder

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Segment 3: Addressing and Debunking Viral Conspiracy Theories (50:00–87:57)

Conspiracy 1: "The Jews/Israel Did It"

• Some on social media allege Mossad/Israel orchestrated the hit; theory is dismissed due to lack of credible evidence or logical motive.
• Tucker Carlson’s speech at the memorial was misconstrued; his analogy referencing “guys eating hummus” was about the crucifixion of Christ, not a wink toward Israel’s involvement.
• Even Nick Fuentes called this theory “getting a little out of control” and “crazy.”

Quote [61:46]:

"We are truly through the looking glass...when Charlie Kirk is assassinated, people blame Israel. ...If Ben Shapiro was taken out next, would Israel be behind that too? It’s crazy."
— Nick Fuentes

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Conspiracy 2: “Too Many Outfit Changes, Timeline Impossible”

• Myth that shooter changed outfits 3–4 times to avoid detection is debunked: available footage documents at most a single outfit change, explainable by timeline.
• Erroneous social media “telephone game” amplified by misspoken statements from officials; Crowder plays and clarifies the governor’s statement.

Quote [68:57]:

“None of it’s a quote. So four outfit changes. ...According to what I have seen... there are only two outfits.”
— Steven Crowder

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Conspiracy 3: "Impossible Rifle Assembly/Disassembly"

• Claims the shooter reassembled/disassembled his rifle too quickly for timeline to be possible are unsupported; evidence shows shooter had ample time and video confirms sequence.
• No solid evidence from FBI or elsewhere supports the impossible-gun claim.

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Conspiracy 4: "Disappearing Bullet/Caliber Doesn’t Match"

• Doubt cast due to absence of exit wound and supposed bullet discrepancy.
• Medical evidence not yet public, but panel explains bullet wounds and ballistics often don’t conform to expectations—a .30-06 can fragment or be stopped by bone/vest, per anecdotal examples.
• Panel awaits medical examiner’s report for clarification.

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Conspiracy 5: "Planted Text Messages/Fed Setup"

• Odd phrasing and content of texts between shooter and boyfriend fuels speculation of government (or other) plant.
• Hosts acknowledge the weirdness ("suspect at best") but point out that the overall weight of evidence points toward a single, ideologically motivated individual.

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Additional Insights & Memorable Moments

• Multiple appeals for civil, evidence-based discussion in the comments, regardless of political persuasion.
• Crowder is sharply critical of U.S. intelligence agencies and the FBI for poor communication and appears open to skepticism—but insists on reasoned, evidence-based debate (“Please chat, comment. You let me know if there’s anything that is blatantly false…” [50:01]).
• Reflections on the culture of internet "fake news," rapid-fire conspiracy, and the instrumental role of social media in amplifying both skepticism and outright fabrication.

Quote [72:13]:

"That would be me every day...If I go to the gym, I’m going to change an outfit."
— Steven Crowder, on claims about too many outfit changes

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Important Timestamps (hh:mm:ss)

• 02:01 — Purpose of the episode
• 15:54 — Transition to examining what is known about the shooting
• 24:18 — Crowder on political labeling and violence attribution
• 44:54 — Theories and timeline clarification (including Dairy Queen sighting)
• 61:46 — Nick Fuentes denounces Israel conspiracy theory
• 71:28 — Clarification on shooter’s clothing and timeline
• 74:40 — Ballistics discussion and bullet wound theory
• 81:35 — On public statements from Netanyahu and others
• 82:37 — Planted text message conspiracy

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Notable Quotes

• On the memorial: "You have immortalized Charlie Kirk. And now millions will carry on his legacy. He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That’s where I disagreed with Charlie." – Steven Crowder [18:00]
• Forgiveness and division: “Forgiveness is something that’s pretty unique to this rally.” – Steven Crowder [19:07]
• Critical of left-wing narrative: "The left is radicalized as a whole. Just to be clear, there is no radical left. There is the center and there is right wing in this country and there is the left." – Steven Crowder [23:07]
• Emphasis on evidence: "I'm not saying that I know everything, nobody does, but I do think that Charlie Kirk was very similar to everyone here in that he always was pursuing truth." – Steven Crowder [02:01]
• On conspiracy vortex: "Time to wake up, guys. Some of this...the conspirator schizo thing, it's getting a little outta control...it's crazy." – Nick Fuentes [60:44]

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Conclusion

Steven Crowder’s episode dissects the tsunami of conspiracy theories following the assassination of Charlie Kirk. With a mix of fact-checking and humor (sometimes dark), he and the panel painstakingly work through timelines, video evidence, misstatements, and internet rumor.

Their takeaway: While skepticism of official narratives is healthy, many popular conspiracies do not withstand scrutiny when weighed against the verified facts. They urge their audience to focus on primary evidence and not be swept away by the “telephone game” of internet speculation.

Final Note:
Listeners are invited to contribute their own findings or challenges in the Rumble comments, as the story continues to develop and more official evidence emerges.

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For more, join the conversation on Rumble (live weekdays, 11am ET) and check all references as published by the Louder with Crowder team.

Transcript

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[Steven Crowder]

Welcome to the Lineup Live 9am to 7pm Eastern. You don't need to change that dial. Each show rolls into the next. It's free and number one in their time slots now for a long time running. I'm glad to have you here with us. Look, we're going wide right now to YouTube just for a very short period of time. Well, both in the sense of maybe the next two Weeks and the sense of time. Today, it'll probably be about 10, 20 minutes. The reason for that is because obviously we've just had a monumental event, a seismic shift in American politics, and there's so much misinformation out there that every person here in this studio has been caught with our pants down at least once, meaning every person here believed something about the Charlie Kirk shooting that wasn't actually either true or hadn't been verified. There are so many narratives, and then they get mixed with conspiracies. It's very important to note that Antifa said a big part of their strategy would be to divide and conquer. You guys have very likely seen that report. So today, and the reason we're late is we wanted to go through everything that we do know, meaning we can verify that you can see everything we don't know as well as the things that we're told and some theories therein. I think at least dividing those into categories will help you form your own opinion, if you have one, or, you know, at least help you do some due diligence. As always, the references are publicly available. I encourage you, go check them out. Because, look, I am not saying. And you'll see in today's show, I'm not saying that I know everything, nobody does, but I do think that Charlie Kirk was very similar to everyone here in that he always was pursuing truth. And I think we owe him that. Regardless of our opinions, regardless of our grudges or vendettas against people who we may think are bad actors, the truth really is what's most important. And we're going to try and do that as definitively as anyone has yet today. So before we get to the show, comment below, let me know what you think happened. If you think it's the official story that you've gotten from, I guess you say the feds, because it's not just the FBI. It's all convoluted. Or if you believe one of the offshoot conspiracy theories or there's a foreign nation, please let me know. And let's have a civil discussion there in the comments section and you can present your case as to why also. Now let's just go on with the show. Put your hands behind your head. Get down on your knees right now.

[Josh Feuerstein]

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[Steven Crowder]

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[Josh Feuerstein]

No, they don't want to be associated with white supremacy or American History X. No way.

[Erica Kirk]

Yeah, but it's. It's not American History X. It's American Financing X See?

[Steven Crowder]

Or American History Finance. Yeah. We have decided to finance it.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Doesn't matter.

[Steven Crowder]

Shut it down. Just shut it down. Shut it down right now. We already have a focus group, Geraldine. Yeah.

[Erica Kirk]

See, he gets it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Be good for us. Yeah.

[Erica Kirk]

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[Steven Crowder]

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[Erica Kirk]

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[Steven Crowder]

Glad to be with you. And oh, look, I forgot a picture of Muhammad that I drew. How'd that get there?

[Erica Kirk]

Do I need to dump for that?

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, you don't. It's not. It's a very flattering portrait. Yeah.

[Erica Kirk]

What's he doing there, by the way?

[Steven Crowder]

Also, Aisha, nine year old wife looks great because it's very slimming. She's all black.

[Erica Kirk]

Oh, that's his nine year old wife. I thought that was like a boba.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Erica Kirk]

I thought it was like a straw.

[Steven Crowder]

That was for Piers Morgan's show. And then I just didn't get to it because I got mad. I was going to be like, I'm going to prove to you that those on the right won't have a problem with. He was going to have a heart attack after using the N word on the show. All right. He'd never have you back. Never, never. But glad to be with you. And it's been obviously a very, very heavy week and a half, couple of weeks and it still is here. But we want to do our due diligence. And hey, if you're watching on YouTube, we're just doing this to let you know that Rumble. Hey, go download the Rumble app. We don't stream live to YouTube anymore. We put up clips, but it's fun to take part in a live show. It's live weekdays, 11am Eastern. Go download the app. Follow me there. You can watch it, stream it live any day of the week. Okay, so YouTube, we're letting you know because this is where unfortunately fake news goes to thrive on YouTube. It thrives everywhere. But YouTube and X are really the worst platforms right now for fake information. Even Grok can't fact check things correctly. Not even close. Not yet. So, Captain Morgan, how are you, sir?

[Josh Feuerstein]

Good, how are you?

[Steven Crowder]

I'm good. A little bit tired, but yeah, it's one of Those no one's head is right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Not yet. Right now feeling a little bit better.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, good for you.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Thankfully. And I think everything went off well last night.

[Steven Crowder]

You have no conscience.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I do have a conscience.

[Steven Crowder]

Look, he doesn't. He feels snug as a bug in a rug.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Oh, my goodness.

[Steven Crowder]

How can he. And Friday, Saturday, September 26th, 27th. That's this weekend at Cap City Comedy. That's this weekend, Cap City Comedy Club, Austin, Texas. You can follow. Not him. Not Firestein on X. And another lovely mustache season for you.

[Erica Kirk]

Thank you.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Erica Kirk]

I. I was trimming my beard last night and my son walked in. I didn't see him. And he said, hey, dad. And I was just. And you said, I put a stripe in there. So I thought, yeah, I'll keep what dignity I have left.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, it's going aces, so.

[Erica Kirk]

I don't believe you.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know what I should.

[Erica Kirk]

Tell me what you think. Ladies and dudes, Firefighter Josh.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go. Yeah, right. Can we.

[Erica Kirk]

The only fire I'm fighting is acid reflux.

[Steven Crowder]

Note to self get prebysit sponsor. All right, so look, before we get to. And I think today we'll probably be spending almost the entire show on the Charlie Kirk shooting, just to let you know, we are not going to show the horrendously graphic footage. Everything we show will be, I would say. I mean, obviously small children shouldn't be watching because the mere concept of it is disturbing, but we're not going to be showing that. And that's part of the problem is people are developing conspiracy theories and giving you false information, banking on you not watching that horrendous close up footage of the assassination. And then that puts social media moderators in a precarious situation because, well, okay, do they correct the record by showing it? And I think it's probably in the best judgment, in their best judgment to not. So it's a really tough thing to sort of navigate. But before that little levity, it may be time to reflect on some of the choices that you've made in your life. If you are a grown adult and not able to fit into an amusement park ride that was designed for children but you went to ride anyway for TikTok. Clicks.

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[Steven Crowder]

Fire whoever gave the green light.

[Theme Park Reviewer]

Ashley tried the Tessie and because of how narrow it was, she was unable to hold on.

[Steven Crowder]

Pause, pause, pause, pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. This is why language matters. You don't get to change the definition of man. Just as surely you don't get to change the definition of narrow.

[Erica Kirk]

No, that was the reason it was narrow.

[Steven Crowder]

That was the reason it was huge.

[Josh Feuerstein]

The seat's fault.

[Steven Crowder]

And here's the thing again. Anyone who's overweight, who's working on it, we never make fun of people. Just this person feels so entitled that they are morphing the English language. You know what, though?

[Erica Kirk]

If that's narrow, I want to see what's wide.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly.

[Erica Kirk]

What do you define as wide?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, she would see the. She would define the free will Billy Hammock as cozy, a little bit tight. Let's continue.

[Theme Park Reviewer]

Unfortunately, she was not able to ride. If you use an ecv, you are not.

[Steven Crowder]

Fortunately for the ride.

[Theme Park Reviewer]

ECV throughout this queue.

[Erica Kirk]

It's like they're hiking Everest.

[Theme Park Reviewer]

Wheelchair if needed. There is a small step up to get into the ride vehicle.

[Steven Crowder]

I wouldn't have noticed it.

[Theme Park Reviewer]

Those of us who wear sizes 2X and 3X were able to ride this comfortably. If you wear a size 4x or 5x but have small tips, this ride.

[Steven Crowder]

If you are a size 4x or 5x, see your practicing physician continue, might.

[Theme Park Reviewer]

Be doable for you. We thought it was an interesting choice to have divided seats in lap bars, considering how slow this ride actually is.

[Erica Kirk]

I think they were considering that it's a children's ride.

[Theme Park Reviewer]

You won't have divided seats or lap bars. We definitely recommend trying out the test seat before getting in line.

[Steven Crowder]

Let's see. Try it. You break it, you bought it. Okay.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Steven Crowder]

And I guarantee you, you'll break it. This is one of. Do we just have to accommodate all the things now? I don't think so.

[Erica Kirk]

No, we don't. Especially on a child's ride. I call me crazy, but when do these people start thinking that these things were made for them? Yeah, like, it's not. Like, even if I wasn't a fat guy, I would not be on the ride. Like, this is a children's ride. You go on alone, son. Time to be a man.

[Steven Crowder]

It's like you go to medieval times and you get like this goth couple who they treat it like their weekend Renaissance fair. Or you go to like, I was with the kids in the Harry Potter thing and there are these people coming up, full grown adults with no kids. Like, are you master wizard? Yelling at the. My kids are here. I don't want you here. Go. This is uncomfortable for everyone but you. And unfortunately, these guests are actually. They're taking a severe toll on the Yoshi population at the end of the workday. It can be emotionally draining for the.

[Erica Kirk]

He didn't even get a chance to do his tongue thing.

[Steven Crowder]

I know, sure. By the way, missed opportunity. That should have been Christy Gnome.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I don't know how we missed that.

[Erica Kirk]

I didn't even think of it. I guess I just wanted to shoot a Yoshi.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't feel bad. I've killed so many of them down and they ran away. Yeah, there's no loyalty there. Oh, because. Oh, you're gonna run away and leave me in the lurch because I got touched by a turtle?

[Erica Kirk]

Yeah, it's a guy who lays eggs. I don't care.

[Steven Crowder]

There's no loyal Steve. You're an asshole.

[Erica Kirk]

That's right.

[Steven Crowder]

It's a me.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yoshi's the villain now. What happened?

[Steven Crowder]

All right, okay, we're going to get to this here, the Charlie Kirk. I really should probably put the picture of Muhammad down here.

[Erica Kirk]

So, I mean, if it inspires you, keep it up there.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, it doesn't inspire me. It's not inspiring. A lot of misinformation. And when we were going through the run through today, we realized that there were a lot of things that we assumed to be true that just are not. So. So please check the references. And I also want to be clear. This doesn't mean that anyone who's referenced here or any of these information, any of these pieces of information, which in some cases are verifiably false, in some cases seem unlikely, in some cases just have not been confirmed as true. It doesn't mean that those people are putting that out there on purpose. There are definitely some bad actors. You need to know that. It's part of the strategy of the left to divide and conquer. Antifa talked about using Israel as a wedge issue. And not just that, but specifically the Jews, as it were. Some people just have absorbed some information and you don't even think, well, why would someone lie to me about this? So I want to be clear. This is not an indictment of anyone who we're referencing. We just want to correct the record and some of the narratives out there. So we're going to Be breaking it up on this whiteboard into what we know, what we don't know, and what we've been told. Can you show the whiteboard there to a man? What are you doing? What are you screwing?

[Erica Kirk]

I'm gonna have to thicken up the third one. I'll have to thicken it up the third one. Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

And the reason for that is because since we did not have time to do it as a graphic for you, so we went old school. I hope you can appreciate it. You're gonna thicken up while we do this. Go, go, go, go, go. If you want to. While you're at it, put some manscara on that stash. It looks a little bit like a nutsack.

[Guest/Commentator]

I just laughed up.

[Steven Crowder]

All right, so before we get to that, of course we want to honor Charlie Kirkland. There was a memorial yesterday that was historic. Probably the biggest memorial that has ever been conducted, at least in recent memory. For me, outside of an actual head of state or very notable, you know, older celebrity, even then, none really come to mind outside of presidents. Over 200,000 people went to Glendale, Arizona, to honor the life, legacy, and the very essence and impact of Charlie Kirk.

[Erica Kirk]

He was.

[Steven Crowder]

He was killed because his voice made a difference, because he was showing people the light. He was killed by the dark. You thought you could kill.

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[Steven Crowder]

Charlie Kirk. You have made him immortal. You have immortalized Charlie Kirk. And now millions will carry on his. His legacy. He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erica. But now Erica can talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right. But I can't stand my opponent. Charlie's angry. Look at that. He's angry at me now. On the cross, our savior said, father, forgive them, for they not know what they do. That man, that young man.

[Erica Kirk]

I forgive him.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Obviously. Very moving, very touching. And forgiveness is something that pretty unique to this rally. Didn't stop alleged homosexual, alleged attempted murder destiny from writing on X. This Charlie Kirk memorial is indistinguishable from a Nazi rally. And F anyone who wants to pretend it's not. Yeah, because we all remember those Nazi Hitler rallies stressing the importance of forgiveness. And I shall forgive my enemies. We shall all forgive our enemies. We shall forgive the Judens and provide mercy. We shall forgive the blacks and the handicaps. And we will most of all forgive the Gazan, the Gaydon, the ramp Right. Angels shall be forgiven. I think that was more to throw you off the scent. Naturally, the leftist media was, and I remember this, when Reagan died, when President Ronald Reagan died, they were surprised as to how much the nation loved him because they hated him. The leftist media was clearly surprised at the outpouring and showing of love for Charlie Kirk and his influence.

[Erica Kirk]

The energy that was in that room, the energy that is still surrounding, maybe even growing under Erica Kirk and among young Republicans.

[Steven Crowder]

This energy might help Republicans in a midterm election. This hit a cultural moment in our society. This horrific political assassination that really is drawing people out to that are a part of that political movement to convene together. Well, there are people who. Who felt some movement by Charlie Kirk and by what happened to show up. And that in itself is pretty extraordinary. When you see that many people care about something or someone so much to the people who are coming there to mourn, will they get the kind of ceremony and service that they deserve and yearn for, or will it just turn into a political rally where, you know, this. This horrible occasion will be used to further divide and galvanize. That would be. That would be a loss for the country.

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[Steven Crowder]

The United States, he said, you know.

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The violence is mostly from the left.

[Steven Crowder]

That is not supported by the data, we should note. And sadly, we see political violence. Your data is wrong. But once again, using that device of bread. And let me explain to you why that data is wrong and flawed. By the way, I have no problem with dividing from people who kill or support the killing of half of those in our country. And there's more than half of the Democrat party who believe it's somewhat acceptable to completely acceptable political violence. Okay. There have not been, just like with Islamic terrorism, there have not been enough of those on the left condemning the majority of the left in their reaction. That's my opinion. You guys can let me know where you line up. When they say most of the violence comes from the left. I already debunked that last week. There was one study that came from Cato was a big one, and then one that came from the Economist. There's been a new one that I think came from the ADL recently. Okay, refresher. Hey, hey. Are you a Trump supporter? We have a Trump supporter here. Bang, bang, point blank dead in Portland. That was not listed. That was not registered as political violence. Here's another reason as to why. According to NBC, an unnamed source close to the investigation of the murder, the assassination of Charlie Kirk said thus far there is no evidence connecting the suspect with any left wing groups. Every indication so far is that this was one guy who did one really bad thing because he found Kirk's ideology personally offensive. And here's the thing. The left is radicalized as a whole. Just to be clear, there is no radical left. There is the center and there is right wing in this country and there is the left. How do you say radically left when Kamala Harris believes in taxpayer funded sex changes for inmates? You can't. How do you say radical left when Tim Walls has created a sanctuary state for children to be hidden from their parents, to transition so the parents can't know their kids are getting sex changes or puberty blockers. How do you say they're not mainstream left? These are people who ran for national office. It is the left. And they just say, well, this is just some lone person, okay, but they're part of a group of a lot of people who share that opinion. What they want to do is gaslight you and say this is not an official group. Here's the problem. There's no real way to be a part of an official left group because the most official that has ever existed up until recently. If this shooter had a, had a membership card, an executive plus membership card to Antifa, it still wouldn't have been considered a left wing group operation. We look at Antifa as more of.

[Guest/Commentator]

An ideology or a movement than an organization.

[Steven Crowder]

So even though this shooter didn't, he used the sayings from Antifa, which by the way, permeate all of the Internet, not just the leftist sphere. But if he did say I'm doing this for Antifa, it would not have been listed as political violence. On the flip side, any and all white supremacy is listed as right wing violence. Any and all violence against government is listed as right wing violence. That includes, by the way, antifa violence against state capitals. So this messaging though, if this is coming from anyone at the feds, is really, really bad. I will say this, I keep coming back to the same place. The FBI is not good. And our intelligence agencies, they are very, very bad at communicating clearly and being cohesive in their messaging. I think we can all agree on that. But now let's get to breaking this down. What we know, what we don't, and as well as some of the absolutely God awful dishonest conspiracies. All right, so let's break this down. We're going to write this down here. And you could probably just hit a ding or something as he does it. Billy, again, let's encourage you. Please go check out the references. All right, so what we know, and by the way, we've limited what we know not to just what the FBI has said, but we've really tried to limit it to what can actually be verified with your own lion eyes and ears video or publicly verified, meaning there is corroborating information beyond someone at the intelligence agency said so. So don't think that we're just doing their bidding. So first up, what we know, the suspect, 22 year old Tyler Robinson. I hope that you get a inside yourself.

[Erica Kirk]

Then burning hell, A big screw you, Tyler Robinson.

[Steven Crowder]

Your evil movement's starting today.

[Erica Kirk]

And your boyfriend's game.

[Guest/Commentator]

You're both just gay.

[Steven Crowder]

You're just gay. So Tyler Robinson will put that up on what we know. There you go. And we don't need to add all the sub points. But dating a gay, so what can you verify? Dating a gay trans roommate, radicalized by leftist ideology, according to family, friends, chats, verifiable conversations. I'm not talking about the private text between his gay boyfriend. So this is not just something that you're hearing from the FBI. And of course we also had the leak from the umbrella of the DOD DOJ of the engravings on the bullet casings, which turned out to be correct. Okay, so what else do we know? Okay, let's put down a time at 8:07am okay, that this shooter, Tyler Robinson scouted the area and was caught on camera. Right. Some ring footage that was obtained by TMZ at 8:07am different outfit from later. Play that. All right, so that's 8:07am so you see that? And this is important because we're going to come back to this idea of all of these different outfit changes like it's a magic show, because I've noticed that people keep adding to the outfit changes to make it seem incredulous. All right, so now what we know again, what you can see at 11:49-11:51am I believe we have this. There are time codes. Tyler Robinson is seen on the same ring camera that was. It was procured by tmz. Walking with a limp. This is so we know. Walking with a limp. And presumably this is because he was hiding his rifle on his leg. So here you go. See an outfit wearing all black, walking with a limp. Okay, now we know at around 12:15, Josh, 12:15 to 12:22, that he. That's about when he climbed onto the roof. Okay, now what we are told, and this is something that hasn't been verified through multiple sources, but is that he disassembled the rifle, not just the scope, but portions of those who are familiar with the Mauser, disassembled it so that he could conceal it a little more easily, and that he reassembled that rifle with a screwdriver on the roof. Is that unreasonable? Does that mean that this must be a false. No, you can do that in the span of a couple of minutes if you understand the rifle. So climbed onto the roof. Yep. At 1215-1222, reassembled rifle. Okay. At 1223, Josh, that's when Tyler Robinson took the shot, committed the assassination, the act of terrorism. 1223. Okay, then we see 1223 to 1224, immediately after shooting, assassinating Charlie Kirk, the suspect is seen jumping off the roof in what we've been told by authorities, but seems to be something that you could confirm on this video. And again, I know people say, well, you can't believe any. Okay, a shooting. This footage verified from the location where the shot seems to have taken place. I know it's grainy, but looks close enough. Also appears to be wearing, if not the exact same outfit, very similar outfit, with an object that is draped in some kind of cloth. 1223-1224, he is jumping off the roof with what we have been told and seems to make sense is the firearm in a towel. There it is. And at this point in time, the pandemonium would have been in that center. People are not necessarily looking for someone out there. Gets pretty far pretty quickly and he's out and then appears to be kind of doing the limit walk again. So here you go. Up close. Yep, there's a gun. Whatever appears to be in a towel jumps again. If you look at that object, it looks very long. Now that does matter. That does matter. Because watching that, there's no reason to assume, even though some people have been saying this, that he disassembled the rifle after the shot. Right. Seems like he reassembled it once, took the shot and in the same outfit that you saw earlier. Right. That timecode you saw earlier at what time was it? It was around 1149. Looks to be the same outfit. Yes. In other words, it doesn't look like an outfit change. And I don't know that there's been any official. As a matter of fact, I know there's been no official statement that he changed his outfit after the shot or changed his outfit between that footage that you saw and that shot. Looks like the same outfit. Easily could be a full length rifle draped in a towel. That matters because we'll get to some conspiracies a little bit later that say that must not be true. And it's predicated on that not being true. Am I missing anything so far you feel? Nope, Gerald. Okay, so also to be clear, and again, we're not going to show any of the horrendously graphic footage. Here's a diagram of the incident that shows where the shooter would be and how the shot would be fired. So you see right there is the roof and then right there kind of in the center of the campus event where Charlie Kirk would be. So that looks like it would be pretty, pretty straight on and taking place at Charlie Kirk's left. It seems a little bit. That's the trajectory of the shot. Okay, here's what we know as far as after that. At 8pm on September 11, the next day, the next day the shooter surrendered at his parents home in Washington, Utah. Okay, that matters. We're going to come back. That. That is the.

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[Steven Crowder]

Next verified location of the shooter. Now I know you can say, well, we don't know. His parents could be lying and the feds could be, okay, sure, fine, but that's the next verified location of the shooter. Okay, here's something else we know. We're going to go now not just to the shooter, but to Charlie Kirk himself. The video again that you have not seen. And this is because it's been scrubbed from social media and I would say rightfully so. That's not censorship, that's basically a snuff film. And people there, you know what, do me a favor if you're watching this comment below because I know there are a lot of people who didn't see the footage, the real, the close up footage, let them know. Is this amongst the most graphic, gory videos that you've ever seen of a human wound outside of war?

[Erica Kirk]

Besides like ISIS videos?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, beside. Yeah. And you, would you say yeah too?

[Erica Kirk]

I think, yeah, trying to think of, trying to think of other footage that's not like war footage.

[Steven Crowder]

And yeah, yeah, that's, yeah, that's the worst I've seen and I get that maybe you've seen some, but it's certainly up there. There is so much just to tell you it's something you cannot unsee. So much blood and tissue with such velocity that that's the reason when anyone saw that, we said, yeah, there's no chance. There's no chance. There really is no chance, frankly, if you saw the original footage, you would go, well, the blood loss was so significant and so instant. He probably didn't feel anything and went like that. So it's awful. And it's largely unavailable to you now. But read the comments below this from people who have seen it and you'll be able to gather the correct feel of it. Here's what you're Seeing, though, is this image. This image is what people are showing. Now, the problem with that is people are using that as a jumping off point to then say, hey, why isn't there? And then describing exactly what it is that you see in the original video. If, for example, right now I were to be stabbed with this pen and you were to pick that frame and freeze it right at the point before entry, you'd see nothing. The beginning of the entry, you'd see a little bit, you'd see a little more. And then with the pulling out, you would have a very, very different viewpoint. So the image that people choose to freeze frame and share also affords them some cover for, let's say, dishonesty or inaccuracy. And it could be either one or both. Also something else. We misspoke on this because this is what everyone was reporting. What we do know is that the family was not there to witness the event. So that's important. We'll come back to that. It was initially reported that they were there, and obviously that was infuriating. I understood that they were there. They weren't. And I will say that's. I don't want to say blessing, but I'm very glad that they weren't and the children were not there by the grace of God. So let's correct that record. And we got that wrong, too. It's one of those things where when you're dealing with something live and you hear them say it everywhere and see, you know, abc, FOX News everywhere, you're like, well, you just assume, because it's not something that we think to fact check when the information is coming out. And everyone was saying that. This also tells you that often people's recollection can just be wrong in traumatic events. Yeah.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Or saying that they're there. Maybe they were not on site, but they were staying nearby. Could also be an accurate way of conveying it. You know what I mean?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. And that's important because like I have said here, let's afford a lot of grace to those on our side, meaning conservatives, that they may just be wrong, not dishonest, and no grace or mercy for the left. That's my position. There is no righteousness in providing grace to the left, considering what they have done and how they've celebrated this, but to everyone on the right. Again, I want to clarify. I am not saying that people are lying to you. There's a lot of information out there that is really tough to sift through. That brings us to the next point. What we know a tpusa employee removed the rear view camera from the event. And this, of course, led to many conspiracies, that this footage must just have disappeared. Safety team is here. I just heard them say the active shooter, Charlie Kirk, has been shot. Charlie Kirk got hit is what the. What the security detail just said. So I understand people saying, hey, it doesn't matter. The reason. That's. That's tainting or messing with a crime scene. I don't know what the term is. I forgot. Tampering. There you go. With a crime scene. Okay, that may or may not be true, but that also doesn't mean that it's a conspiracy, because, again, as someone who's done many of these types of events, that's the first thing you do at breakdown. It becomes second nature. Right. It's a habit. The first thing you do is make sure that you have the cameras right to them, that you make sure that the equipment that would be expensive has the footage, because that's the first thing people would steal. And, of course, is very important.

[Erica Kirk]

Well, yeah, if you lose the footage and it's all for nothing, basically.

[Steven Crowder]

And so people were saying, who is doing that? There was a conspiracy at one point. That. That was a fed. Well, one of the producers for Charlie Kirk addressed this specifically. And again, you can't know that this is 100%, but seems to check out and make sense.

[Erica Kirk]

Why did he grab the SD cards? Well, first of all, they're in the possession of the FBI.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay? It's not like he took them and, like, ran off with them.

[Erica Kirk]

Second of all, I asked him personally, I said, why did you do that? And he looked at me, and this was his answer. He said, because I know people can be evil. And he did not want that footage being grabbed by somebody. There was videos of people after the incident going and stealing hats off the table.

[Steven Crowder]

Right? Okay, so now, Josh, I know we're gonna jump over Mr. Feinstein to what we've been told. Once you're. I know you're. He's. He's taking great care in his handwriting.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Much better handwriting than I do. Good job.

[Steven Crowder]

Mine always ends up being, like, a mix of cursive and print. Yes, because I don't. I don't remember all the cursive capitals. No, it's just an S with the bottom, a little curl. So here's what we've been told. And by the way, I'm trying to be very, very lenient here, because I'm not giving the authority to those in the intelligence agencies if it can't be verified. So one of the things that we are told is that September 10th, shortly after the shooting, that the shooter dumped his gun in the woods. That's where they found it, in the towel. If someone can let us know. We have not been able to confirm that the picture of the rifle that is circulated is actually confirmed as the official picture of the gun. It may or may not be. We have not been able to. And this is what we do here for a living. Okay. We have also been told, and I say this because I absolutely agree with you, that, that these are suspicious, that September 10th, we don't know the time the shooter exchanged messages with his homosexual trans boyfriend. His blatantly homosexual trans boyfriend. You're having sex with a guy, Tyler Robinson. And those obviously do not read as any type of text message. Right. That would take place between two Gen Z males.

[Josh Feuerstein]

No, they don't. But there are multiple ways that can be interpreted.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, exactly. In other words, people that want to.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Run with one particular way. But there are a couple that make sense and are very plausible that you have to give some room to.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. It could be, hey, someone could have planted it where it could have been written by the feds because he's a patsy, he's a fall guy. Or they could have been trying to establish a, you know, Breaking Bad, try and set a narrative for themselves so that they could claim there was some kind of culpable deniability from the blatantly homosexual trans gay boyfriend.

[Erica Kirk]

It could have also been just a terrific roommate.

[Steven Crowder]

It could, Yes.

[Erica Kirk]

I mean, have you ever had a terrific roommate before?

[Steven Crowder]

You.

[Erica Kirk]

You speak to them as if they're family.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. You speak the King's English.

[Erica Kirk]

Like, wow, you picked up your trash and vacuumed the couch. I love you. You're my love.

[Steven Crowder]

I have never seen dishes so spotless. BJ in the works.

[Erica Kirk]

Yeah, I'm trying to be the voice of reason here.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, yes, we appreciate it. Something else we have been told, and I say this because people think, aha, this is a smoking gun. It shows us something that could not have happened. Based on the story we've been given that September 10th at 6:38pm Tyler Robinson was photographed at a Dairy Queen there near campus. Okay, what time is that? Sorry. 6:38pm on September 10th. Correct. Now, the reason that this one really matters is because, and I understand this came from Candace Owens, as I understand it first is people ran with this saying, well, how could he possibly go home 250 miles away and come back and be at that Dairy Queen well, again, that's just people being a little bit sloppy because it was actually the next day that he was found surrendering at his parents. Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

And another, another part to that is that people were talking about the 17 minutes and saying that it was 17 minutes later. So this is how these things kind of evolve. Really. What the post originally said was it is 17 minutes away from campus.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Not that it was 17 later. So people just kind of took all that and put it together.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, and I'll get to some of the conspiracy theories, but a big one. And it even convinced me at one point where I saw someone say, we'll get to it. But the idea that he changed outfits again for a third or fourth time to get there and that he got there 17 minutes later, that's what some people are actually saying online. No, even if you go by the time code, assuming this is correct and we have not seen any authentic verification, but to be fair, I don't know that it's not correct. That would be well over six, seven hours later. And he wasn't found at his parents until the next day. So you have to look at it and go, okay, based on what we know, is it entirely plausible, feasible, reasonable, that he scoped out the campus in one outfit, came back hours later in the same outfit that he was wearing to carry out the assassination, got to the roof, reassembled the rifle, fired the shot, jumped off the roof, ran away in that very outfit, and then many, many, many hours later was found at a nearby Dairy Queen in a different outfit. Yeah, as a matter of fact, I would tell you that often the most common thing to do, the very first thing after an assassination would be change outfits and change vehicles. And you'd be surprised how many killers are found at restaurants, coffee shops, fast food joints after events like this, especially when they are in shock. So that's everything we know, that's everything that we are told. He was not at The Dairy Queen 17 minutes later, he was not at the Dairy Queen when he was supposedly already at his parents house and would have had to come back. He was caught at his parents house the next day and he was at that Dairy Queen. If this image is correct, many, many, many, many hours later.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yes. And just to be clear, he wasn't caught. He turned himself in. He had his parents out before going. Just to make sure they don't take that and remember that.

[Steven Crowder]

Right, Correct. And that's something too. Sometimes speak, sometimes people speak ineloquently. And I see that's what leads to this idea of 19 Houdini, like outfit changes. And we'll get to that clip. Here's what we do not know right now. Okay, so what we know, what we've been told, and some of that is the official story, by the way, the text. I'm trying to be as lenient as possible. Here's what we do not know. We do not know who knew about this beforehand at this moment in time. There are guesses, there are theories. We do not know that for a fact. There is no documented video record, written, oral or otherwise that tells us who knew beforehand. We do not know at this point in time to the same standard as what you know, what you see on camera. If anybody else was involved, we don't know that. So let's pop that in the board. We don't know if who knew beforehand. Anyone else. Yeah, I guess that's redundant. We do not know where the shooter went immediately after the shooting. We do not know that. And here is a big one, because I will tell you, I still don't know. And this is where the authorities and the FBI could do a much better job because there's a lot of speculation and it may prove pivotal. I wouldn't say pivotal in this being the murder, the assassination of Charlie Kirk and it changing the end result, but it may be pivotal in addressing some of the conspiracies. So I don't think that the authorities are doing a good job in addressing this. We don't know if Charlie Kirk was wearing a plate, carrier or a bulletproof vest. Now, again, check the references. I am fully aware that Mrs. Erica Kirk indicated in an interview with the New York Times that he generally didn't wear a bulletproof vest. She said that, okay, she wasn't there, so she couldn't know. I have not heard yet from anyone who was there or the authorities that he absolutely was not wearing any type of carrier or vest on that day. Because there have been some interviews and information in the past where. Well, Erica. He didn't like wearing them, but Erica would force him to. Or Erica wanted him to. Mrs. Kirk wanted him to. There's been a lot of information out there. The only definitive statement that we have is Ms. Erica Kirk, Mrs. Erica Kirk, saying he generally didn't wear a bulletproof vest, and I wanted him to. So we don't know. And here's the thing. There are images from before and at the moment of the incident where it does look like some people have posited. Actually, guys, there's another image that's a little bit better. If we can grab it before the exact shooting. That has an outline. If you guys can bring it. There are about three or four images that would seem to indicate there's some kind of a plate or vest. I am not saying that there is one. It could be some weird mic chords wrapped around his shoulders in a weird way. That raising of the shirt could be his cross, you know, a ricochet and it raising the shirt. The bullet itself of traveling in a trajectory. Right. Josh could raise clothing in some capacity. Yeah, a little bit. You know, like this. A jump would not be out of the ordinary. For even if there is no bullet.

[Erica Kirk]

I think it's unlikely, but.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Yes, exactly. But it's not. It's unlikely, but it doesn't mean that it's impossible. We don't know if he had any type of plate or bulletproof vest at this moment in time. I'm leaning toward maybe not, but we don't know. Seems like he wasn't wearing one when he was throwing hats out to the crowd beforehand. The footage is pretty clear on that. But it would be pretty easy for someone to go, all right, I'll just put this on. You know, we have some here where you just literally stuff it in a shirt that has a pocket. It takes all of 10 seconds to do.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah. I mean, it looked like when he was throwing the hats out, that he basically just went right in and sat down at the chair.

[Steven Crowder]

So that's what it looks like.

[Josh Feuerstein]

That's what it looks like. But again, you're right. There's a lot we don't know. That's why we put it in the category that we don't know for sure.

[Steven Crowder]

And also, how many times, you know, have we done Toolman A Change My Mind? Something similar. We do a talking with people where.

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[Steven Crowder]

People say, okay, we're ready and it's taken a while. And I say, okay, I'll be there. And I just, I need to go to the bathroom first because I know I'll be sitting down for hours. Or sometimes you've said, hey, we're here, but maybe we need to move locations. We don't feel great about this, right? And things change. So we don't know. Again, I'm trying to be as lenient and as accurate as possible. Please chat, comment. You let me know if there's anything that is blatantly false or you believe so or you disagree with. Now, this brings us to the conspiracies, obviously, the first one, look, write the Jews, Josh, just write the Jews. And he is writing, oh, two O's. Very nice. Early E bomb force.

[Josh Feuerstein]

You don't get banned, I guess.

[Steven Crowder]

Now, and to be clear, here's the problem. There are many different variations of Israel did this. And I can't tell you 100% that that is verifiably. Andrew, I cannot say that. I genuinely can't say that because we don't have all of the information. I don't think it's very likely. And there's a lot of misrepresentation, including of their own champions for this conspiracy theory out there. Some people are trying to say that Tucker Carlson's speech at the memorial was alluding to Israel playing a role. And before you go to the clip, playing a role in Charlie Kirk's assassination, here's the thing, very important context, too. As off putting as this clip will seem to some, he's actually not addressing Charlie Kirk within this context. He's talking about Jesus. And then he drew an analogy to Charlie Kirk because again, a lot of people think he's saying so. People eating hummus. You know what that means, and let's kill Charlie Kirk. He's talking about the crucifixion of Christ and how it backfired. But here's the clip.

[Guest/Commentator]

So it's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem and Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people in power and he starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which is telling the truth about people, and they hate it. And they just go bonkers. They hate it. And they become obsessed with making him stop. This guy's got to stop talking. We've got to shut this guy up. And I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamp lit room with a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus, thinking about what do we do about this guy telling the truth about us? We must make him stop talking. And there's always one guy with the bright idea. And I could just hear him say, I've got an idea. Why don't we just kill him? That'll shut him up. That'll fix the problem. It doesn't work that way.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, now I am again in defense of Tucker. He was talking about, again, people say, oh, hummus, hummus. He's talking about people who in Jesus time would have come up with a brilliant idea to crucify Jesus. I don't know if you know, this hummus would probably be something there in the Middle east along with olives and figs.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I don't typically think of the Jews when I think of hummus, but Tucker is drawing an analogy. He's saying, and he goes on right after that to say it's. That's not what happens. This is inverted. When they tried to silence the message of Christ. And to be clear, people out there that are saying Jesus wasn't going after them. Yes, he was. He was telling the truth about how whitewashed tombs were over here. These people were a brood of vipers. Like he was going after the Sanhedrin, the rulers of that time, telling truth about what they believed and what they didn't believe.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Tucker's been, he's spot on in his analogy here.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Saying that it absolutely backfired and the message just spread more, saying they tried to silence Charlie's message the very same way. Not meaning that the Jews did, but.

[Steven Crowder]

People did saying that backfire. Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

And then there's this other thing. I just want to clarify really quickly, and I understand that people get like off the board. Ian Carroll and Candace Owens have gone way further on talking about the Jews, maybe have done this then. TUCKER Carlson.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Josh Feuerstein]

To try to shoehorn this into Tucker saying the same thing is difficult.

[Steven Crowder]

I understand it.

[Josh Feuerstein]

But look, one of the other things is like saying that the Jews weren't responsible for Jesus death. Of course, the Sanhedrin was what, the body that turned Jesus over to be crucified by the Romans.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Josh Feuerstein]

The Roman gentiles killed Christ even though Pilate said he found no fault with him. But it was the ruling party that did it. You have to be able to acknowledge history and be accused of a blood libel as well. So I'm not sure why there's so much going back and forth on this particular clip other than the crazy laugh.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

That to me is the most off putting thing that happened. It's like that laugh is never appropriate in any context.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, because there's a pause. There's a pause between his own statement and a laugh which comes across as disingenuous.

[Erica Kirk]

And there's also not a laugh from the audience.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, that's true.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Like nervous energy, I guess for him.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know what it comes across like evil villain or crazy. It did.

[Erica Kirk]

It came across as villain.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I'm not saying he's crazy, I'm just.

[Erica Kirk]

Saying it sounds villain in his lair talking to himself. Inspector Gadget, I will ruin your helicopter jacket.

[Steven Crowder]

You're like, oh, that's the evil laugh. We're not laughing. And you waited a second before you said it. All right. Also, we do have just some other images to give credence to the idea that he was wearing potentially a plate carry. Can you bring this up? Yep. So these are the images well before the shooting where people are pointing to saying it looks like he might have been wearing something. Yeah. Okay. A couple of these. Now again, that could just. And it's tough to know because they're soft. There are soft plates. There are hard plates. They are approved being familiar with these for different types of threats. Right. You have three A, which is I think up to.44 Magnum and then level three, which is up to certain rifle calibers. And level four is what you really need to stop some of the higher velocity steel core bullets. So at the very least it doesn't seem like you would have had level four. But it could alter the trajectory of the bullet. In other words, there are a lot of maybe could be, but it doesn't mean that it is. So Tucker did that. And again, I want to defend that is not what he was saying there at all. And hopefully he'll clarify. I don't think that he should be tarred and feathered with an opinion that he didn't express. Others online have been far more clear. They believe Israel Mossad did it because this is of course the hallmark of Mossad. A bolt Action Antique Mouser 30 aught 6 with a poorly mounted scope. That's what they send their special agents out with.

[Erica Kirk]

They got a small budget.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly.

[Erica Kirk]

The recycling weapons.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, they just sort of, when it comes to intel or false flags, they just like you know, they're a little bit ham fisted. Forgive them.

[Erica Kirk]

Ham fisted. That's not what they are. That was a little underhand.

[Steven Crowder]

That was a little bit just to send some of the Jews way. Now, of course, Candace Owens, and this is, again, not an indictment. I. Some people may be genuine. Some people may be operating with information that is incomplete. And there are some people who may be pushing false information. And it may be a little column a, column b, column C. Candace Owens, of course, is one of the more mainstream voices or one who is mainstreaming this idea that Charlie Kirk was taken out by, in one capacity or another, them Jews in the Hamptons. And he had.

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More than one event, but he had essentially what was staged.

[Steven Crowder]

An intervention was staged by Bill ackman because Charlie's thoughts. Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a.

[Hers Weight Loss Advertiser]

No, no, this is not the route.

[Steven Crowder]

That you should be going on. And Charlie was surrounded by his friends, his, quote, unquote friends. Bill ackman was very upset and threats were made. Now, we've already addressed that because Bill ackman did address it, the producers did address it. And of course, we showed some of the clips where Charlie Kirk was critical of those representatives, telling him that he couldn't even question some Israeli policy as far as government. All of that we covered in an episode last week. Please go check that out. But Candace Owens also suggested it could have been, by the way, the mccrones. And she has the receipts to prove it. Yes. The next receipt will be whether it's read or not. As a completely, by the way. Completely. As an aside here, I don't want to go down the rabbit hole, but who here had head of state. Head of state in the front? Ms. McCrone having to show her snatch in court to prove that she's a woman in a lawsuit against Candace Owens on their political bingo card this year. Ooh, see, I don't think that's convincing. I think it makes me side with Candace.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, Candace might be right. Who added the ooh?

[Steven Crowder]

I thought that was you, Josh.

[Josh Feuerstein]

You know who it was.

[Steven Crowder]

Here's the truth on this conspiracy. Like we said, there's really no basis for it. Bill ackman, Charlie's producer, both responded in detail, refuting the claim. Does that mean. I get it? He said, she said, gentile said, Jew said. But you have to, again, look at everything that we have. The what we know, the time, the history, the backlog of this person being radicalized, which, and I want to be very clear here, this is important. This is not a game. If we are being hunted. And by that I mean you're just one step away. You're just one viral clip or tweet away from being the next trophy on someone's mantle. You guys understand that, right? In other words, is it too far fetched to believe that, that the left can be radicalized to the point of violence? Well, you saw the Summer of Love, you saw the attempted assassinations on Donald Trump. You've seen this year in and year out. So Occam's razor is the left is violent and the left's reality is so warped that, my God, they might even celebrate en masse this kind of assassination. I mean, even just look at that. This is me talking opinion. I don't see overwhelming celebration from the Jews or people in Israel at all over the death of Charlie Kirk. I see it from the left. I see more than 50% of the left justifying it in some capacity, according to the recent YouGov poll. So the simplest explanation is wouldn't the group of people, many, many tens of millions in this country who were gleefully celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk be most in line with the person who carried it out? It doesn't seem implausible to me at all. As a matter of fact, it seems heartbreakingly predictable in that we saw this coming in one capacity or another. And this theory to many is ridiculous to even the point that Nick Fuentes himself, who is not known as a huge fan of the Jews, said this can't be taken seriously.

[Guest/Commentator]

Time to wake up, guys. Some of this, I'll be the first one to say the conspirator schizo thing, it's getting a little outta control. And that's coming from me. I mean, it's like we are truly through the looking glass. When Charlie Kirk is assassinated, people blame Israel. I, who fought Charlie Kirk because he was pro Israel and being said to are, I'm being sad to be covering.

[Steven Crowder]

Up.

[Guest/Commentator]

That he was killed for this miraculous conversion. If Ben Shapiro was taken out next, and God forbid, would Israel be behind that too? I mean, that would be equally ridiculous. If it was Ben Shapiro on Wednesday, people would be saying Israel did it. Shapiro was about to become a National Socialist. Like what? It's crazy.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't want to say a little bit of a taste of his own medicine because, you know, people were said to me, like people have told me that my grandparents were cousins because I'm an inbred Ashkenazi. I mean, here's the thing, and this is not to insult the Ashkenazi Jews. I Do not look like them.

[Josh Feuerstein]

You don't.

[Steven Crowder]

Generally speaking, nor do you.

[Josh Feuerstein]

No, neither do I. But when you have Dave Smith, Darrell Cooper and Nick Fuentes sounding like the voice of reason on Israel, you're like, wait a minute, wait. What world am I living in?

[Steven Crowder]

And this is not to say that Mossad doesn't carry out covert operations. They do. By the way, so does the CIA. I know that. And one of the worst. I've talked about this. One of the worst. We'll probably have to do a segment on this is the French when it comes to espionage. I think that's the reason it's called espionage. It's the French word for it. They're dicks. They started it.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

They're really, really bad at it. And you could honestly, if you're gonna say, hey, an international agency being, you could argue the French would have more of a vested interest in destroying the voice of someone who is anti socialist in this country, has been descending into socialism for many, many decades. You could make that case too. I want to be very clear as well. Ms. Erica Kirk. Mrs. Erica Kirk, please don't hang me on If I say Mrs. Erica Kirk is going to be discussing these claims on the show with Alex Clark at TPUSA. I believe that's later this evening. I think it's 6pm and it's called Apothecary. I think the show. So Ms. Erica Kirk will be there addressing this. And I also know that many people out there, there's nothing they will say, well, she's compromised. She has to say this because no matter what she says, I think that her word counts for a lot in this. Yeah. Especially in tandem with TP USA producers, organizers. I would give that more weight than people online who've clearly already gotten one or two facets of this story wrong. This brings us to conspiracy number two out there, and this is one that you've seen, the reassembling and disassembling gun. This has been out there. And just to be clear, the clip I'm about to show you, this person is someone who I've watched a few times is usually very good. I don't believe that this person is being dishonest. I want to be clear. I don't want to get into some kind of urinating contest. I just think that like many of you, they have some information that all of us sort of assume to be true. And then once you do some digging and search, you find out it's based on nothing. But this idea that there is no way the shooter could have assembled the gun on the roof, then disassembled it, gotten off the roof and reassembled it before throwing it into the woods because a screwdriver was left on the roof. So this is the disassembling, reassembling gun, and it's used as a linchpin for some of the conspiracies out there. Here's a clip and then a collage. So the FBI is also telling you.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Is that he reassembled the rifle before he dumped it in the bushes as he's fleeing the scene of a murder. How do you reassemble the rifle if he accidentally left his screwdriver up on the roof?

[Steven Crowder]

And you're seeing this all over X people echoing this. This one is really simple. No one and I haven't seen this from the FBI. No one has said that he disassembled the rifle right after the first shot that he reassembled it.

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[Steven Crowder]

As a matter of fact, can we roll that footage again of him jumping off the rooftop? The story, whether you believe it or not, the story that has been told, is that he assembled the rifle, put it back together. There's some debate over whether it was a scope or actually the rifle itself kind of can be separated into two main components. To simplify this, I know there'll be some gun autists out there who will argue, but you know what I'm saying. It looks like he jumps off this Roof with a rifle in a towel that seems to be fully assembled. And there's nothing unreasonable about that. I can fast forward. Yeah, fast forward to the zoom in part, please.

[Josh Feuerstein]

It's coming up.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, so you guys see that there? All right, But I am fine. And you guys can let me know if there's something official from the intelligence community, because again, I've said they've done a horrible job. If they're putting that out there, then they deserve to be called on it because that makes this whole thing far less believable as a story. I'm not seeing anywhere that he disassembled, Reassembled it on the roof and then disassembled it again, which actually means I want to jump to another conspiracy because it ties into that. So if you guys can follow me, here it is. The outfit change. So we'll call it number three, but it's actually number four, because in combination, these two have been used to suggest. Well, how did he do all this? Changing outfits, assembling a gun, shooting, disassembling the gun, changing an outfit on the roof, then jumping off, changing outfits, reassembling. But no one's saying that, Right? This is a game of telephone where people hear the perverted, the bastardized version of telephone and then go, wow. Well, that doesn't seem reasonable. And I agree with you if you believe that that was the story or the timeline. Yeah. What you're being presented with. A falsehood would make sense. So the next conspiracy number three is that the shooter changed outfits so many times, but there's no footage. Let me read this. This is the magical outfit changes. Yeah, there you go. This is a post on X. This is how stupid they think you are. Charlie Kirk. Shooter wore one set of clothes to the shooting. Quote, change clothes on the roof before he fled, quote, without being seen on camera, changing. And then change clothes at home after he fled, just before he hanged. I think means changed his clothes again. So let's look at this. This would mean he wore one set of clothes to the shooting. Let's count this. Give me a ding. One outfit, change clothes on the roof before he fled. Two outfits without being seen on camera. Then change clothes at home before he fled.

[Josh Feuerstein]

After he fled.

[Steven Crowder]

After he fled. Sorry. Number three. Just before he changed his clothes again. Four.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Okay, where are they getting that?

[Steven Crowder]

Well, so someone put in quotes, which is not an actual quote.

[Josh Feuerstein]

No, none of it's a quote.

[Steven Crowder]

None of it's a quote. So four outfit changes.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Unless they're quoting themselves.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, here's the thing. According to what I have seen and the footage, there are only two outfits. And the only change that would have needed to take place would have been between that outfit number one 8:07am and 11:49, and then maybe one outfit change, if that Dairy Queen photo is proven to be correct, within the span of seven hours or so. But we're only really looking at this record here and seeing two changes, and they justify this theory. From this clip, Utah governor, who I believe misspoke, just as I did earlier, as we often do, saying, yeah, you know, the one outfit and then the other outfit changed, you know, on the roof. Saying the different outfit on the roof. Watch this clip. When he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point. So that when, when he was, when he was apprehended, when he was arrested, the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting here at uvu. So again, play that again, I'm trying to be gracious here. That just seems like someone said you had a different outfit there on the roof. Play it again. When he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on, and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point points. So that when, when he was, when he was apprehended, when he, when he was arrested, the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting. Now here, pause 1. So apprehended was the next day, right at his parents, the next day. In other words, he's just saying you could have changed back to the clothing that you saw that morning before the next evening. And he says, change clothing on the roof. Sounds like what he's saying to me. It's not a direct quote saying, we know that he changed his outfit on the roof. He's saying, you see the different, the different outfit that you saw when he.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Was on the roof versus the earliest that we have at adm.

[Steven Crowder]

So.

[Josh Feuerstein]

And it's very clear that that's what he's trying to say. Just to give you some other data, we played that, but when we saw him on that same ring camera at about 11:49, 11:50, he was in the same clothing that he ended up taking the shot with.

[Steven Crowder]

It seems very. Yeah, we can't confirm exactly, but let's play that again. Yeah, this is the clip. Limp shooter V2. Let's play that. So you see, this is him walking at 11:49, 11:51, right there he is.

[Josh Feuerstein]

To be in the Same clothing.

[Steven Crowder]

Looks to be in the same clothing because it's all black pants. Right. Relatively flowing pants, whatever you want to say. And then show clip shooter jump v3, which again. Yeah, please. Doesn't look to be any different of an outfit and certainly does not look like the outfit that he was wearing it 807. 8.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Which was like shorts and I think a different colored shirt too. So.

[Steven Crowder]

So unless you are taking that clip of that governor saying that as literally he changed an outfit on the roof, you only need to understand for the official story, whether you accept it or not, is that at 8.07 he had one outfit and he changed outfits at some point between 8.07am and 11.49am until he carried out the shooting and ran away.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, just very reasonable that.

[Steven Crowder]

By the way, that would be me every day because I go. If I go to the gym.

[Josh Feuerstein]

It's true.

[Steven Crowder]

Going to change an outfit. Were you about to say something? Noodles, they just sent in. They have the limp walk video isolated on the left versus the two that actually came from the school camera. Okay, so again, same outfit. Yeah, same outfit, him walking, ring camera footage. Same outfit. Him getting to the roof, jumping off the roof. And here's what is important. You would have to make an intellectually inconsistent leap to say no, no, no. I believe 100% that he changed after. That's the story that he disassembled, reassembled and changed out. How could he disassemble the rifle on the roof, change outfits and jump off that fast? Well, it doesn't look like the rifle was disassembled when he jumped off. And it doesn't look like his outfit was any different than he walked up with a rifle in an outfit and jumped off in the same outfit with a rifle and a towel. Believe me, it pains me. I don't trust our intelligence agencies and I think that the FBI's done a horrible job in communicating this and they could put a lot of this to bed. But all of that honestly seems like the most reasonable course of action for someone doing this.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah. And he has plenty of time to do all of this. That's why it would be a problem is because he doesn't have enough time to do all these things. If it is disassembling the rifle after the shot, taking time to change clothes and do that multiple times. He has plenty of time in this timeline to do everything that he did.

[Steven Crowder]

Plenty of time, yes. And again, if you look at shootings or you look at people carrying out crime, the first thing they do is change Outfits once they're away from the scene of the crime. Yeah, so seven hours seems like a reasonable amount of time to put on some basketball shorts. Whatever the hell. All right, here's the next conspiracy number three. And by the way, we're gonna stay wide with this and then take your chats on Rumble Premium Mug club is Rumble Premium Rumble. You can click that button and join. We're not able to do any of this if not for you. I hope you understand why we started late today. It was very important that we get this right. Oh, sorry. It's conspiracy number four. I'm sorry. That's right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

It's number three in our list. But we changed them.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, because the outfit and disassembling kind of ties together conspiracy number four, the disappearing bullet. And you see this from a lot of people saying, there's no way. This was not a 30 aught 6 from a rooftop. From a rooftop sniper. There's no way that's the case. The bullet is coming in from somewhere.

[Erica Kirk]

In this direction or somewhere in this direction.

[Steven Crowder]

What appears to be the bullet coming down. And it does line up with the actual gunshot itself.

[Erica Kirk]

I would say it's a smaller caliber than a 30 alt 6. A 3006 would make much bigger hole. It hits bone and it projects itself outward.

[Steven Crowder]

Now, I'm not even disagreeing that in general, that would be true. Right. It's not an uncommon caliber for hunting. I mean, I have plenty of relatives who've hunted with.30 06 and killed many deer. And usually it leaves a very large exit wound. Just as surely my relatives who will tell you that sometimes bullets do weird things. And sometimes there isn't an exit wound or sometimes the entrance wound. It looks like the deer was hit by a car. I was there one time. We were shocked. My uncle shot a deer. And they said, woo, what'd you do? You run it over with your truck? Because it was just. You just hit it at a weird soft tissue angle. So this wasn't helped at all by the surgeon who worked on Charlie at the hospital. And there was, I believe, someone who was a producer releasing this on X saying, I have permission to do so. Where he said his bone was so healthy and the density was so, so impressive that he's like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too. He was talking about how it was a miracle. First off, if it's a miracle, then you can't, you know, it defies science and reason. But again, this doesn't seem like super responsible.

[Josh Feuerstein]

It just needs to say that it's there, you know, that they have the bullet there. And I think what he was trying to say is that, you know that other people could have been killed behind him if it had gone through the tent to the back. There were people standing back there. They said so it could have gone back there and killed people. It's fine to say that like, but it didn't exit. But you don't have to go into that.

[Erica Kirk]

But they have the round.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I don't. That's what imply by the bit. He said he found it under the skin.

[Steven Crowder]

He said he did. Yeah. Okay. So he said again last, again, these are the things where it's like these aren't official reports.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

That's a problem with things on social media where they're not necessarily verified. But he said that he found it under the skin. I saw that in the report. I don't know if that's really correct because it could also be a fragment. Right, Right. It could also. There are a multitude of explanations. And you even talked about this how again you saw the original footage. Yeah. When people say, oh, if it's a 3006 it guaranteed would have decapitated him. Well that's silly. Yeah, it was guaranteed decapitate him.

[Erica Kirk]

No, no, it's not a guaranteed decapitation. I think it probably unlikely to decapitate him. But you know, rounds can do all kinds of crazy things depending on how much it's, you know, it's the. How many times you hear a doctor say oh, it's millimeters away from killing you. You were middle millimeters away from surviving.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Erica Kirk]

They could do a lot of different things. And when I first saw it, I honestly I thought it came from the back.

[Steven Crowder]

So it looked like an exit.

[Erica Kirk]

Does it look like an exit wound?

[Steven Crowder]

It did look like it.

[Erica Kirk]

But not seeing anything on the back.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Erica Kirk]

Kind of suggests that it went in right here.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. And like you were talking about, let's say, you know, a nick. Right. Would be this where it goes but with a 30 oxygen. But it's considering how much damage it could do if it's less than a nick. But let's say just hits the side of the tissue, not the spine. Right. That could cause one large. Yeah. In a gape.

[Erica Kirk]

In that case you would expect to find the round somewhere else could have gone through. But if he did have, you know, some strong milk drinking bones then fragment is left behind. Or.

[Steven Crowder]

Or if he did have some kind of a plate. Right. That could change the we don't know.

[Erica Kirk]

It doesn't change the velocity for sure.

[Steven Crowder]

Or if it hit. Let's say, for example, we know that we've done this. It could have hit one of the posts of the canopy that he had. Right. That can. I'm not saying it would stop a bullet, but that can change the velocity dramatically.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

And there have been far more bizarre cases of bullet behavior than this. Even though this is the one thing I would say seems unlikely for it not to have an exit wound. And I won't say seems unlikely based on the damage was so severe. Guys, if you. If you watch it. No, it wasn't a decapitation. Thank you. Thank God. But it was so graphic. You'll never unsee it. It was immediate blood loss that would lead to instant death.

[Erica Kirk]

Yeah. Unless the entry wound was somewhere back here. I would expect that that would be like basically 2. An entry and an exit wound making one big hole because of the limited space that it did hit.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And so we don't know that. But here's something that we do know. Here's the truth is that there have been many, many, many witnesses. So you would have to believe that many of these people are on the payroll as well, because this has then been used to exit the springboard for conspiracies of, of course, second shooter. Right. I've even seen some as. I've even seen some. So crazy as it was an inside job where someone had a detonation device.

[Josh Feuerstein]

On his lav.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, on his lav. That shot him in the neck. And by the way, I'm not just talking like this is. You're talking about. Millions of people have seen this. I've seen people saying, look, they're clearly doing hand signals to take part in an inside job. Like, you can't address all of them.

[Josh Feuerstein]

But here's the truth.

[Steven Crowder]

There were many, many witnesses, and not a single one described potentially the shooter at another angle. Right. They described the shot as a single shot sounding like a bang or a firecracker. One account, Isaac Davis, a student there, told the New York Times it was definitely noticeable, but it sounded almost like a firecracker. I do think here, the. This is where the actual report, the medical report will be of significance. Yeah. And we don't have it yet. And you can say that you won't trust that medical report. Okay, fine. Right. But I certainly wouldn't trust someone who has no medical report and anything beyond the footage that you have access to.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, well, that's the thing that I've wanted to Ask people is like, I understand maybe you have some difficulty with some of the information coming out right now.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure. But I do too.

[Josh Feuerstein]

What's the alternative theory that you have evidence for, not just the fact that you're thinking something else could have happened?

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

You know, Stu Peters was in that collage of people that said Israel killed Charlie Kirk. I mean, he didn't mince any words about it. I'm like, okay, well, what evidence do you have that that is true? Like, you're making a claim. Support it. And that's. They're not saying that this assassin didn't do it, that there was other people.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Feuerstein]

They're saying specifically that Israel killed him. And I'm like, okay, well, why? What happened?

[Steven Crowder]

Here's also the irony for me. If people are saying that these are often the same people who were vehemently against Donald Trump hitting the nuclear facilities in Iran where there was no known collateral damage. Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

The most effective because we're doing it for Israel. That was the whole thing.

[Steven Crowder]

But that's my point. If someone says Israel killed Charlie Kirk, that's a declaration of war. And we bombed the shit out of multiple locales as it relates to Israeli government. Just so you know, if Israel had anything to do with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, I would be front and center saying, we have to declare, not. They're not our allies, declare war against Israel. Comment below if you'd be in that.

[Erica Kirk]

Camp, Franz Ferdinand style.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go. Yeah. And so it's just funny to me that people who claim to want peace and that we don't want to fight wars for Israel are making a declarative statement that in any circumstance would be a declaration of war.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, I don't see how you'd get around that. And the other thing is that Netanyahu came out and apologized. Not apologize, sorry. They're saying he's trying to cover up by coming out and saying, hey, how bad it is that Charlie Kirk was shot? And they're like, well, why would a world leader come out and do that? And it's like, well, I don't know. Maybe he's got some people going, hey, they're blaming us again for this. And he's like, listen, we didn't have anything to do with this. This is a very sad day.

[Steven Crowder]

Maybe Charlie Kirk visited Israel and it's well documented through video and pictures. They're supposed to have had direct communication and he's had communications with other words. It makes complete sense.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I know.

[Erica Kirk]

Also not crazy to think that one of our, quote, unquote Greatest allies would speak on this. I mean, they tried to. They tried to get a moment of silence. I can't remember who did it. The UN tried to get a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk. It didn't happen. But other world leaders were obviously weighing in.

[Steven Crowder]

They tried to do it in our own. In our own halls, in our own. Our own house. And they say. Now, remember that? Well, they.

[Josh Feuerstein]

They want.

[Erica Kirk]

That's a direct quote. Great impression.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Feuerstein]

They didn't want to do a verbal prayer or something?

[Erica Kirk]

No, something like that was their official response. It was a prayer issue because they got a lot of non Christians on the left.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, I don't care.

[Steven Crowder]

That was the longest filibuster ever. Was just some cackling bitch going, here's the final conspiracy out there. And this one, I kind of get the planted text messages, right? The planted text messages. And this is where people are saying that the feds clearly planted a curated text exchange between this shooter and this blatantly homosexual gay trans lover to just try and wrap this all up in a nice little bow. Okay. I will say these text messages are suspect at best, but that doesn't mean that it's the feds or the Jews. This is not something, by the way, that is uncommon. Where people go, okay, let's get our story straight, all right? So that you don't take any of the fall. That's right. Right. I don't know if you're gonna believe.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I didn't know you were my roommate. Okay, we got a text message, said, and I'll just make it clear.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. That wasn't invented with Breaking Bad. It was reflected of things that have happened many, many times in real life. So let me read you some of the texts. This is from Tyler Robinson to gay homosexual trans boyfriend Lance Twigs. I am still okay, my love, but I am stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Why did I do it? I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen, sight unseen, I will have left no evidence. Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets? The effing messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulge uwu on Fox News, I might have a stroke. The point is, it seems like it also could be weird goths at a Renaissance fair. It's true.

[Erica Kirk]

Can we get an update on that stroke situation?

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know. I don't know. I hear you smelling burnt toast. I'm hopeful Me too.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I want him to stay around for a while.

[Steven Crowder]

Here's the truth. Yes, these are very suspect, but these exchanges were not needed to establish a motive. If anything, it seemed that the exchange might have been fabricated by this to protect his gay homosexual, blatantly trans male lover. There are other text messages not being mentioned, by the way, like this one.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I'm a female.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. Come on.

[Erica Kirk]

You gotta get all the facts before you start coming up with theories.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know if you'll hold up all that well doing interrogation, Gerald. Although you do like harsh lighting.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I'll be fine. Hey, really quickly, let me tie these two things together here.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

So this, this line of text messages seems kind of odd. It could be, of course, something that's. You know, I don't think any of us looked at that and said, yeah, totally normal conversation between two gay lovers.

[Steven Crowder]

I know it seems like that.

[Erica Kirk]

Right, Todd Sawyer?

[Steven Crowder]

But yeah. So there is.

[Josh Feuerstein]

There have been kind of these innuendos that maybe there was a larger group associated with this or at least they knew what was going on. And maybe they're trying to protect their. Like a Discord server. There's a lot of talk about that. Do you think the FBI statement that we all looked at and go, why would you say that? Do you think that was to make them feel safe? Like, hey, this is just one lone nut that we really haven't tied to any left wing groups? Do you think that's to make sure that these guys don't think, hey, we're onto you? Because I can't think of any other reason that the FBI would release a statement like that right now, saying, well, we can't find any evidence of him being, you know, aligned with any left wing groups. How do you. How do you say that with a straight face?

[Steven Crowder]

I just think they're very imprudent. And better. I mean, look at Cash Patel, where he. He tweeted out, you know, the. I think he said at one point the shooter in custody and said, the suspect has been released. There was a switch of. It was like, well, hold on a second.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Right?

[Steven Crowder]

You didn't just say, in other words, there could be a suspect who is not the shooter, but a suspect involved. They have not been careful with their language.

[Josh Feuerstein]

No. And that guy was super like, that's another thing.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, it wasn't even. That guy was a different one. I'm not talking about the old man. I'm talking about there was another one where Cash Patel released it.

[Erica Kirk]

So I think that statement is kind of. I mean, kind of true though, right. There's no group necessarily, as far as.

[Steven Crowder]

We know right now that they know.

[Erica Kirk]

I mean, I think it's getting convoluted and it is, but misunderstood.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, I think Reddit politics is a group because all of them celebrate the murder. Honestly, to me that that's another have to qualify as left wing violence, some.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Kind of an affiliate.

[Steven Crowder]

If a couple of guys in hoods who by the way would vote for a socialist if he was white, if that's considered right wing violence, I think people on the biggest political message board on the, on the known Internet world celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk should count as a group. Hey, have you been taking part in this group? Have you been celebrating death in this group? Then? Yeah, you know what? We're going to consider you part of a left wing extremist group. They have meetups.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, well, and so that's another thing that we don't know that I want to make sure because honestly, now that I think about it, the two things that I need answers to, I think the most. Right. I have no problem with a lot of the other things because I think there's plausible explanations. The caliber and what happened with the bullet and whether there was an armor that it deflected. I think that question needs to be answered.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. If he was wearing body armor or not.

[Josh Feuerstein]

A medical report will help us understand that. Also, what's up with a guy claiming that he was the shooter immediately after? Because people are saying, oh, that was just to try to give him time to get away. And that's what said.

[Erica Kirk]

He said.

[Steven Crowder]

No, I think what he said was he was trying to draw attention to the shooter or something like that.

[Erica Kirk]

No, he, he said, he said that he was trying to give the shooter time to get away. He was not there as a supporter of Charlie Kirk. Another, a neighbor of his actually spoke with Fox News right after it happened. The guy that we had on, I forget his name. Austin or. Yes, yeah, he came on, he was the one that went over, saw that went over and basically tried to get in front of the camera himself to kind of stop that. But the guy had said, yeah, it's a friend of mine. And he's, yeah, he sure, he's a little angry and sure, he's on a little medication.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, he's a little crazy, but I.

[Erica Kirk]

Don'T think he would do this.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Listen, I don't know how crazy like you could be crazy. I don't know that the first thought of anybody who's anti Charlie Kirk and even wanted to See that happen is to yell as it happens and say, I shot him.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, it is for sick people.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Maybe. I just don't think it'd be the very first thought because, I mean, you're standing there, you're angry at somebody. Let's say I'm angry at you and I'm looking at you and somebody shoots you. I don't think the first thing that I would do is go, it was me. It was me so that that guy could get away.

[Steven Crowder]

How fast? I think you would. How fast.

[Erica Kirk]

How fast did the guy stand up and said, I am Spartacus?

[Josh Feuerstein]

I don't know. I think that's. That's part of putting this thing to bed, is to kind of understand the timeline a little bit and make sure that we get the facts straight on it. Well, I do want an answer to that because I think a lot of people are running with that as a theory.

[Steven Crowder]

I agree with you. And so look, we're going to go and take your chats and continue kind of sifting through this. So please send us your chats, your questions, and our research team will help answer because we've been pouring over this all morning and obviously all throughout last week and trying to compile this as thoroughly as possible. Check out all of the references. Click that button if we've done you enough of a valuable service that you want this to continue. Join Rumble Premium. Rumble Premium is Mud Club. Mug Club is now Rumble Premium. You get everything ad free, 100% more show, the Friday show, and all of the other content. Well, you're supposed to just. You know what, Tool man, just. We're going out. Mug Club, let's go, go, go. You're listening to leaffilter Radio, and the guru of gutter protection himself, Chris Kunahan, is here to take your most pressing leaf related questions. Hey, everybody. Chris here. Understand we have Ron on the line. Ron, where are you calling from? Uh. Oh, Ron, are you calling from a ladder?

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