Dave Smith: Discussing Trump, Israel, & America First

Summary

Louder with Crowder — Dave Smith: Discussing Trump, Israel, & America First

Date: October 28, 2025
Host: Steven Crowder
Guest: Dave Smith (Comedian, Host of “Part of the Problem”)

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Episode Overview

This episode features comedian and commentator Dave Smith, a figure in libertarian politics, for a long-awaited, candid debate with Steven Crowder on the subjects of Trump’s foreign policy, specifically regarding Iran and Israel, America’s ongoing foreign aid commitments, and the philosophical and practical boundaries of the America First movement. The episode features sharp disagreements, especially around the issue of Trump’s wartime decisions and impeachment, but also notes areas of agreement—such as distrust toward establishment neocons and support for scaling back U.S. foreign interventions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Table: Areas of Agreement and Disagreement

• Crowder opens by emphasizing that, despite public perception, he and Smith agree more than they disagree: stopping all foreign aid, skepticism toward neocons and lobbying groups, mutual pro-life stances, and the need for borders.
• Crowder: "I actually agree with him on a whole lot more than I disagree... Stop all [foreign aid], let the chips fall where they may." [29:00–30:30]
• Crowder is puzzled and critical of Smith’s widely debated call to impeach Trump over U.S. military strikes on Iran, setting the stage for a fiery and nuanced exchange.
• Smith clarifies he has no loyalty to politicians as a libertarian and maintains his stance that Trump’s actions constituted a war of aggression for a foreign power, warranting impeachment.
• Smith: “Donald Trump launched a war of choice, a war of aggression, on behalf of a foreign country while we were in the middle of negotiations... I am not— I believe that America should only fight wars when America is threatened.” [30:52–33:00]

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2. Libertarianism and Borders

• Crowder presses Smith to clarify whether he is a libertarian of the “open borders” school.
• Smith: Early in his libertarian journey, he leaned toward open borders, but was convinced by scholars like Rothbard and Hans Hermann Hoppe that government property shouldn’t be public to the world—borders are compatible with libertarianism.
• Smith: “It doesn't follow from libertarian principles that government property ought to be available to the entire world…” [33:39–34:46]
• Both agree: borders are a necessary reality, even from a principled libertarian perspective.

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3. Debating Trump’s Foreign Policy: Impeachment, Iran, and Israel

Trump’s Iran Strike and the Impeachment Debate

• Crowder argues that supporting Trump’s impeachment, given his comparatively anti-war record, makes little real-world sense: “You’d lame duck the most effective president of our lifetime... and you’d end up with four years of a Biden or a Gavin Newsom.” [35:57–36:31]
• Smith insists: Any president who launches a war of aggression, especially without Congressional authorization, violates the Constitution.
• Smith: “The Constitution is very clear. You need Congress to declare a war. Every single war since World War II has been illegal.” [50:58–51:12]
• Crowder presses repeatedly on the practical fallout: Wouldn’t such a stance essentially throw the country into the hands of the left? Smith responds that principle must come first, even absent a real congressional pathway for impeachment, and that it was necessary to send a message to Trump and future leaders.
• Crowder accuses Smith of moving the goalposts when dismissing Trump’s diplomatic achievements (ceasefires, Abraham Accords) as not “wars he ended.” [47:10–48:24]

Notable Quote

• Smith: “Every president in my lifetime has been a war criminal. That’s right.” [45:35]

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4. Foreign Aid and America’s Role Abroad

• Both hosts agree on the waste and distortion of U.S. foreign aid: aid to Israel and its neighbors, and the moral hazard it creates.
• Smith argues U.S. aid props up Israel and its neighbors, causing them to take risks they wouldn’t otherwise take; withdrawing that support, he says, would increase regional caution and reduce U.S. entanglement.
• Smith: “If we weren’t doing that, I don’t think we ever would have even attacked Iran. I don’t even think we would be talking about Iran now.” [56:56–57:42]
• Crowder insists that if the U.S. stopped bridging between Israel and its adversaries, the result would be more, not less, violence—“I think you’d see a much worse genocide.”

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5. Iran, the JCPOA, and Nuclear Proliferation

• Smith is critical of Trump dumping the JCPOA nuclear deal, contending that Obama’s efforts—though flawed—contained Iran’s enrichment, and that Trump’s exit led Iran to approach weapons-grade uranium levels.
• Smith: “The obvious alternative would have been to keep negotiating.” [42:20–43:06]
• Crowder responds that Iran never honored agreements, and decisive lines were necessary.
• Smith argues against military intervention as a general principle, citing that the U.S. never attacked the USSR or China when they developed nukes, emphasizing that war is only justified as a last absolute resort.

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6. Entitlement/Welfare State and American Culture

• Before Smith arrives, Crowder and the crew riff on the U.S. welfare system, government shutdowns, and social attitudes about SNAP/EBT.
• There’s a recurring comedic theme about online memes and searches like “Is we getting food stamps,” which both lampoon and critique how segments of the public relate to entitlement programs.
• The consensus is that the safety net system lacks both effective limitations (work requirements, time limits) and shaming incentives for independence.

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7. Punching Right vs. Punching Left

• Smith accuses Crowder of focusing his attacks on the rising non-interventionist right, rather than established neocons or the left.
• Crowder responds that his criticism of establishment figures like Ben Shapiro is well-documented and he mostly goes after the left “[my attacking the left is about probably 20, 50 to 1, even on this very issue].” [82:15–82:29]

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Notable Moments & Quotes

• On impeachment:
  “If you're calling for the impeachment, and it could be facetious, the execution of Donald Trump, that seems pretty extreme.” —Crowder [36:43]

  • “I think every president in my lifetime has been a war criminal. That's right.” —Smith [45:35]

• On libertarianism and borders:
  “...I got convinced by their argument that it's not in fact the correct libertarian position. Like it doesn't follow from libertarian principles that government property ought to be available to the entire world.” —Smith [34:30]

• On foreign aid:
  “The whole game is that America is involved already. We are propping them up. And if we weren't doing that, I don't think we ever would have even attacked Iran.” —Smith [57:42]

• On Trump’s diplomatic record:
  “Do none of these count?” —Crowder, listing various negotiations, ceasefires, and diplomatic efforts [48:24–49:31]

• On intra-right criticism:
  “There's a plausibility to that... but there's also a problem in not attacking your side and not criticizing it when they're going down the wrong path...” —Smith [77:25]

• On Kamala Harris:
  “I think we all agree that Kamala Harris would be an embarrassing drunken bitch leading this country, and it probably wouldn't...” —Crowder [76:30]

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Selected Timestamps for Important Segments

• 28:33–30:30 — Intro to the interview, laying out areas of agreement and real-world stakes for “impeach Trump” issue
• 33:39–34:46 — Smith explains his journey away from “open borders” libertarianism
• 36:23–38:12 — Impeachment, mechanisms, and real-world consequences
• 42:20–43:06 — Smith: “The alternative was obviously to keep negotiating…”
• 50:58–51:33 — Smith: “A war of aggression. An illegal war. The Constitution is very clear…”
• 57:42–59:18 — Smith: U.S. entanglement in the Middle East and what a withdrawal of all aid would mean
• 63:05–63:47 — Smith: “I don’t think… it’s ever appropriate to launch a war because a country developed nuclear weapons.”
• 77:25–78:42 — Smith: The risks of not criticizing “your own side”

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Episode Tone and Language

• The discussion blends heated argument, mutual respect, sarcasm, and sharp humor, true to both hosts’ public personas.
• Crowder is brash, often cutting in with quips, challenges, and comedic asides; Smith is fast-talking, wonky, and insistent on first principles, but quick with jokes and self-deprecation.
• Both men emphasize the need for strong civil debate, bristling at bad-faith mischaracterization and strawman attacks.

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Final Thoughts & Where to Find the Guest

• They reach no resolution on the fundamental disagreement about impeachment or the best approach to Iran, but articulate clear philosophical boundaries.
• Dave Smith’s podcast: “Part of the Problem”
• Upcoming shows: ComicDaveSmith.com

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Transcript

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[Dave Smith]

I'd already read up something about.

[Steven Crowder]

Poltergeist, so I knew that this type of experience with similar things happening has.

[Dave Smith]

Been logged for hundreds of years.

[Steven Crowder]

That's all I was known for. I have other facets to me. I like to have a bath. I like a good curry. Yeah, I'm a professor. I'm tenured. After that, it's like none of that even existed.

[Dave Smith]

And then we had questions at school.

[Steven Crowder]

Some kids coming around the house shouting outside the window, hey, don't they stay away from Alan. His pants are filled with ectoplasm. Look, I'm not saying it's right or wrong until you've walked a mile in my pants. Maybe don't pass judgment because you've got to face yourself long and hard in that mirror every morning. And can you tell yourself in 100% honesty, yeah, I'm a guy who would say no to our job from a middling ghost. We're all humans. We're all people. Some of us are dead. But after all is said and done, I still do, you know, often sit and wonder about Becky. I told him my name was Becky. Click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or 9.99amonth to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of content creators and free speech. Sam, I apologize right off the bat. No, no, come on. We figured it was spooky, so it was. It's one of those sketches that I don't know, we've been holding back for several months. Yeah, like, oh, we could run this as an open. I don't know if they're ready for it. Not sure they are. Still, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Every now and then, you're just watching something go, hey, I have an idea. And then I could do a poltergeist story. The next morning, you read it and you're like, what? I mean, I guess we already have the wardrobe. That one's a mixture of a documentary that you watched and a documentary that I watched.

[Dave Smith]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

Wow. I think you just watched porn, Josh. No, Cheryl. There was definitely a Becky ghost. Yeah, sure. Chat requested I Heart Becky shirts. Okay. All right. You are terrible. It was inspired because I watched one. I don't even remember. It was like, the Enfield. And. And the guy was talking as though, like, he loved the ghost. Oh, really? And I was like, this guy. This guy, he's using this documentary as a dating service. And I turned. I was like, that's what he's doing. Like, you know, she was very soft.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

And she spoke. She whispered in my ear. I'm like, this guy is. This guy is getting frisky with the ghost a little bit. So it still doesn't make any sense. But, hey, we have Dave Smith coming on in just a little bit. And I still have Toolman Said my headphones, but it's like my right ear. Maybe I just damaged it. And Captain Morgan, CEO, how are you, sir? I'm good. How are you? Good. Remember, you don't. I don't ever want someone to feel like they're getting piled on. No, not at all. So you be quiet. And then if you and him want to engage after, because he seems like a very decent guy, and I want him to have a good time. And Friday, November 14th, at Chalet Theatre in Enumclaw, Washington, Mr. Josh Firestein. Yes. Chalet Theater, Enumclaw. Tell your friends, please. I'm not allowed to run ads. Yeah. Because I'm friends with Stephen Krauss. I apologize. When people, like, they'll cry censorship. Like, I only said that, you know, Hitler only killed, like, 400 Jews. And they said that was shocking. I go, yeah, well, I literally can't run an ad for Change my Mind. It's true. Yes. They say that even the ones where they were friendly, that's considered shocking and offensive. So we are not allowed to run ads on Change My Mind. Tell me again that Big Tech is softening up. All right, have a little bit to get to. But first, Zoran Mamdani. Yeah, that guy. He released a new ad featuring. It's kind of like jumbo shrimp. Forgive the comparison. It's an oxymoron. Lady rabbis. To sort of really end his campaign on a high or complaining note. Hi, Rabbi. Hi, Rabbi. Hi, Rabbi. Hi, Rabbi. Hi, Rabbi. Hi. We're among the thousands of Jewish New Yorkers who've been out door knocking and phone banking to elect Zoran Mamdani. We're also rabbis. We know Zoran will fight to make our Satan. Now I see why I was instructed to not watch this. Because I already had enough of a problem with lady rabbis. Yeah, I mean, that seems weird. Well, mispronounced imaginary. But then that's not a lady rabbi. Yeah, that's true. It's totally fine. We're gonna have to do some research on this person. There's no way that there's a congregation that actually follows someone that silly. I talked to HR Zam. Yeah. He gave me a lot of research. Okay. All right. Rewind it. Just a few. A few seconds because. Are we on YouTube? By the way, that threw me for. I didn't say anything. That's unacceptable. I just think it will. If anything, that face is unacceptable to humanity. Well. And that voice. Hard. Hey, that guy's beautiful. Shut up. Hey. Hey. My bread doesn't have yeast. We know. Yeah. Do you like surprises? All right. Trick or treat.

[Dave Smith]

Let's keep playing.

[Steven Crowder]

We're also rabbis. We know Zoram will try to make our city affordable and safe for our families and for our neighbors of all faiths. Speaks Yiddish and is him. We're also just people who live here who don't want to get priced out of this incredible city that we call home. We know Jews want to be able to afford housing, transportation, and childcare. Sex changes, too.

[Dave Smith]

As Jews, as rabbis, as New Yorkers.

[Steven Crowder]

We believe that all people deserve. Pause. Look, look, look. Okay, you're a guy who claims you're a woman. Whatever. I don't agree with it. And I think it's silly that as a society we have to revolve around this. But, like, the balding and then the weird voice, it sounds like this person is. And I'm sure someone will call me on it if this person is mentally handicapped in some way. Could be.

[Dave Smith]

I thought maybe Jews want.

[Steven Crowder]

No, don't make them a rabbi. We might be out of line here. Well, technically, not a rabbi. Okay. Actually, HR Sam let me know. He was pretty heated. Yeah, I just. I hate all the things. Let's go. Zoran agrees, but let's get real. This isn't all.

[Dave Smith]

Is he pregnant?

[Steven Crowder]

It's about action. So let's build a flourishing city together. Let's elect Oran. They didn't even try. He's like a foot taller. He's a head taller than everybody else. Like the guy. We're lady rabbis. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And I'll see you in the parking lot.

[Dave Smith]

Oh, you can cow.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm going to go to the hole. Holy web. Oh, my God. You think those. Those campaign shirts are unisex? That's a good. They have to be. Come on. They have to be. So long as it's the right tri blend. Oh, wait, I don't know if they're allowed to wear those fabrics. I don't know. I'm not really up to date on the law. Can you guys see my nipples through this? Yeah, perfect. Sorry. There's a bowl of manna with my name on it. It's funny that when you're doing this voice, you do a more manly voice than your normal voice. Yeah, well, it's not hard to do like a caricature of a. Well, this rabbi, this lady non rabbi has a more manly voice. It's just so obviously a dude that it's scaring the children. That's silly. Would you like a little backstory from HR Sam? Yes. So apparently this guy is the son of a very renowned rabbi in charge of some Orthodox church. Oh, look, you guys got it.

[Dave Smith]

There you go.

[Steven Crowder]

The son of big rabbi of Orthodox church said that didn't believe in God, then said, okay, we'll deal with that. Then eventually said, I want to be a woman. Said no, hung up the phone, never talking. Dan. Not a rabbi anymore, not allowed to be one and is just out here. Also was married, had kids, gone, didn't care. Oh yeah, the kids are still there. Wearing lipstick is. Well, the kids are alive. So that person in the ad is not still a rabbi. No, no. It's kind of like a non denominational church. We can just call yourself a pastor. That's the affiliation. Not orthodox for sure. Right. So yeah, Sam was very clear. So even the Jews have the same problem we do with like the mega churches. They have the mega synagogues. They basically do. And they just do they have a Joel Osteen. This may be the closest thing. Well, he also, he was pretty close to them. He was hiding cash and gold in the walls. So he's halfway there. This is Jane Olsteen. I don't know. All I know is he used to go by Saul, now he goes by Paul. Okay, Come on. It's Joel O. Silverstein. Did I get that right? With Nice. I nailed It. Hey, you know how sometimes people send you. You know, you send the show's money? Yeah. You know, like, a lot of people do that. I love that.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

But we don't do that. Here's my QR code. We send you money. Time for Reverse Super Chat. And the folks at Perplexity AI are giving back. So they just did reverse super chat. 50 free rumble premium subscriptions were just gifted. Send us your post on X or Instagram. If you just received them. You can go to PPLX. Sorry, PPLX. AI/ Crowder. It's a web browser. Uses. I think it's called Comet uses it. We've been using it actually for research. It's incredibly effective. They just sent out 50 free subscriptions. Thank you, Perplexity AI. And you can thank them in the parking lot. This has been reversed as you get your schnitzel cut. We moved on from the Jew.

[Dave Smith]

Well.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, yeah, we moved on from that circumcision enthusiast. Yeah. Come on, Gerald, get with it. I am. I'm here. By the way, that rabbi, fully circumcised. I can imagine. Yes. The whole thing. He was a 14 procedure operation. Oh, wow. So we're. I guess, well, the first part of the circumcision. We have that in common. Oh, yeah. French Canadians don't get circumcised. Hey, question of the day. Are you circumcised? Hello. Discussion. You know what? No. Question to the men, Are you circumcised? And question to the ladies, does one or the other weird you out? Nominate your. If you've got a pick, it's like the honeymoon opening up. What's under the tree and like. Ah, tree. Yeah. Do you. Do you like the sleeve or no?

[Dave Smith]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

You like to go sleeveless? Yeah. Or sleeved. Ugh, Weird conversation. You want it to be in early Marine, early Navy. You know, leatherneck. We're still going to. Or do you want it to. Dave's like, oh, my Internet's out. I can't be on the show. Oh, come on. He's a comedian. He'll have fun with it. I bet you he's circumcised. All right. I hope. Yeah. I don't know. I'll ask him. I'll do something this next segment. I wanted to have a stinger, but we don't have one, so I'm going to unofficially title it. Try not to become racist. The government is still shut down, by the way. Question. Does anyone care about that? I don't think people really. It is not Very few people care about that. I know some people are affected but as a general rule we were told it would be the apocalypse. It's not. SNAP is still out and people are getting more and more angry. If lawmakers do not reach a deal.

[Dave Smith]

To fund the government, SNAP cards may.

[Steven Crowder]

Not get refilled on November 1st.

[Dave Smith]

Yesterday, the USDA confirmed it will not.

[Steven Crowder]

Tap into its contingency fund to to cover benefits for next month. The single mothers, they got kids now. What can we do? We can't defeat our kids. And who the they think celebrating these holidays with no food stamps. Y' all better stay the out of my way in these stores. I'm walking out with carts and I'm not paying for. And to the girls that's excited that SNAP EBT food stamps is getting cut. I guarantee you that one of your friends depends on that. Trump, if you want mother start looting. Oh, it's going to happen. If we do have job again, what can we do? I'm going to be stealing like it ain't no tomorrow. I don't know where the we going.

[Dave Smith]

To get the food from you my friend.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm that friend that depend on that. So if you happy, that's cool. So I'm going be asking you for money every day to eat. I'm going to walk the out and I'mma have one of my cousins with me that'll punch your ass so hard you going to think a jetu holiday hit your ass if you think I.

[Dave Smith]

Ain'T going to walk out that stuff.

[Steven Crowder]

We're not the same. Like we live in two very different worlds. At no point would I with the jumping off point for me be clearly I shouldn't have to pay for my own food. And so the only solution to a temporary halt in said free food is to bring my criminal cousin to commit battery against you because you didn't get out of the way. Yeah, right. This is what looks like a decent apartment by the way. If you look behind her, she looks fine. My word. And the problem is by the way, the left has been, they've constantly trying, they've been trying to curry favor with these people to buy their votes, right? The 40 plus percent who pay nothing in federal income taxes. And then there are working class Americans who are now getting pissed. This is how the Democrat party lost that segment of Americans because they have no sympathy for people talking that way even though they would be in the same class more or less you want to pay for that. And if through no fault of your own, the government shuts down and they don't continue to receive your taxpayer funded benefits, they may assault you. Well, Today marks the 28th day of this government shutdown and things are starting to get scary out there. There you go. I understand that you know people. There are people out there that need this and they depend on their. Their benefits and stuff. And I understand people gonna steal, but it's one thing to do that. Yeah. To feed your family. Actually for the first time, stealing to feed your family. It's another thing to go online and then brag about it. Yeah. And make a threat. Like a violent threat. Like, you better get out of my way or my cousin. Which, by the way, did you even ask your cousin yet? Did he agree to this? Yeah, exactly. Who is his cousin? Why don't you have a boyfriend? It sounds like a woman getting a guy into a fight that he didn't choose. Again, you said I do. What? What? Shit, that never happens. This is just. Look, and I. And yeah, some people do, but I'll be honest. Very, very few. Very, very few. I was talking about with Johnny Boy. I was like. I was like, yeah, dude, if I was one of these people that was disabled and couldn't work. Yeah, I get it. I'd be out there steal. Wait a second. If I can't walk, yeah. I'm probably not gonna be stealing shit. That's right. Yeah. If I'm disabled, I probably wouldn't be that good of a cat burglar. Hmm. Quite the quandary. Maybe. Maybe I should stop lying. Maybe I should become a productive, functioning member of society. You know, like everyone in every society up until now. But I know people say, hey, that's racist.

[Dave Smith]

So here's a question.

[Steven Crowder]

Who's really most mad about this? Download the Rumble app, by the way, follow me there. That's the best way to stay in touch. Because we can't actually make our notifications work on YouTube. Change my mind is shocking and violent. But on Rumble, you get notified when we are live. Who is upset. Well, certainly non citizens. 1.5 million non citizens collected about 4. $4.2 billion worth of SNAP benefits. That's. That's unreal. And then an additional 2.2 million anchor babies collect SNAP. So those people are pretty mad. There you go. And then a next group of people. Oh, boy. I'm just going to say. I don't even want to say uneducated. I'll say people. I don't even want to say they type. Shorthand stuff. People. People who use improper grammar in search engines. Is that okay? Is that okay? Okay. Try not to become racist. So the search results. And you just start it. Is that. And you know what comes up? Is they cutting food stamps. All right, let's try it a different way. Is they cut. Is they cutting off section 8? Is they cut in section 8 as opposed to off? That's how they switch it. Is they cutting off food stamps? All you had to do was type in is they. And that's basically what came up. Well, it gets worse because you would think, well, maybe that's because, you know, sometimes it's difficult. You're referring to them and the collective. It's sort of nebulous. The government. Right. So, you know, if you just do it in the first person, well, that makes it a little bit simpler. And that's what brings us to. Is we getting food stamps? Next search. Is we getting a stimulus check? Next one. I mean, I'm for it. Is we getting EBT Again, hold on. By the way, Make. Make no generalization. It's people there. It's just people who. Right this way. Yeah, pull that. Pull that overlay back up really quickly. Look. Now. Is we. So it. Basically, it's only stopped by memes of said search below. That's the only breaks you see. Is we getting food. Go back to.

[Dave Smith]

Go back.

[Steven Crowder]

Is we getting food stamps next. Is we getting food stamps Meme. And then, yes, the next one and then another meme. And the left will accuse those of making the meme which is based on such a frequent search as to become a meme. They'll blame that as the racist component. And the worst part, by the way, there are a lot of bad parts, but the worst part is all of these prompts, because, you know, AI is only. It's only as good as its inputs. That's right. These prompts have made chat GPT, and I disapprove, distinctly more racist. Hey, Chat GPT Is we getting food stamps? When is you getting a job? Hey, there's no need to add Insult to injury. ChatGPT. A mind of its own, this AI. Maybe you should try a grok. Oh, good point. Don't think so. It's Elon Musk's voice. Yeah, so, by the way, 24% of all food stamps, you guys might want to go to Walmart. Jeez, man. That's where they're spent. They go to Walmart. The other 76% go to 7Eleven and Popeyes and Whole Foods, I think. Yeah. Is that. Oh, hey, hey, hey. I would be for that. Steal some good, healthy food. Okay. You're gonna steal steel. Right. And according to Chat GPT, Walmart is about to be cooked. Is we gonna have a good quarter? If you is employed by Walmart and you is on food stamps, then no. The problem is that AI doesn't, you know, it lacks the human touch.

[Dave Smith]

Have a heart.

[Steven Crowder]

It doesn't have any empathy. Have a heart. It doesn't have any. No, it's got no feelings. Yeah, it's like, come on. If you want to give it feelings though. No, no, because then it'll get emotional. No, but you could just teach it to maybe, you know, have some sense of decorum like Chat GPT. It's not their fault that they have been on EBT or food stamps for approximately nine to 12 years. Come on. Walmart's got quite a racket too. They have the most employees of any business. They have the most, this is only nine state study. But the most employees that are on food stamps than any other employer.

[Dave Smith]

Right.

[Steven Crowder]

And then they, then those employees get the food stamps and then they spend their money at Walmart. Yeah. I will say that's kind of one thing I've changed on. I used to be a big fan of Walmart just because we didn't really have them. Where I was raised in Quebec, we had one that was like an old, it was a Woolworths in the South Shore. Someone can correct me from there. And then they called it a Walmart, but they didn't really have it, a return policy. So we liked it. And I came here like, well, things are far more affordable. And I think there was a point in time where it made sense. For example, like Walmart was the first place to take away boxes for deodorant. You know, you get deodorant now has a plastic cap. They were able to cut down on costs and make things more affordable. Now, just like many big businesses, they found a way to game the system and take advantage of the welfare state. And that's why they by and large support Democrat candidates these days. So I'm no fan of Walmart. If they want to conduct their business honestly, great. They're not. And I'm certainly no fan of snap ebt. I don't think we need any of it. Do away with pretty much all of it that would be better than what we have now. There's an in between where people have to meet some kind of work requirements. Yeah. Seeking work requirements. It's done for a very limited amount of time. Let's cap it at a year or so. Certainly working 20 hours a week, for example, for a lot of these programs which was proposed, certainly seeking employment if you are not disabled, of course, that was considered a gross violation of human rights. And so I'm at the point, just eliminate all of it. Absolutely. Especially for illegals. I cannot believe the numbers of people that are illegal getting those benefits. If you're here illegally, shouldn't. Shouldn't the process just be, no, go buy that saves billions of dollars a year for the taxpayers? I don't. I said.

[Dave Smith]

Right.

[Steven Crowder]

But I. You muted yourself. I might, because I have a mint and I didn't want to be just playing around with me now. Is this what's going on here? Yeah. By the way, can you. Can somebody answer me this? It was switched to ebt, Right. And it was switched to EBT specifically from food stamps so that you could get rid of the stigma. And yet everybody that I see has like, no, please give me the stigma of food stamps. They just say food stamps now. It's a far cry from Jimmy Braddock, you know, handing back the welfare collected after he, you know, gets his first pro fight. It's a far cry from that. We really don't have shame. No, we don't. That's the issue with no shame. Or accountability. Or accountability. So listen, I think a lot of these people also came up. Came up in homes that were fed by food stamps. Yeah. And so that's like a part of their culture, like, their whole life. They called it food stamps because they've had to use it or their friends or their parents or somebody else's own food stamps. So they've called a food stamp. So, like, career food stamp people. Mm. Are we. That's the end of my Dave. Dave is on one. One final point really quickly. Just if you're gonna be on food stamps or ebt, whatever it is, and you need some government assistance, there are work requirements and things like that. Do that or work for us. Why don't we treat people like employees? Like, if you're going to be fed, housed, taken care of by the government, even if it's just temporary, why don't you perform a service for the community then, in response to that? Because the community is the one picking up the tab.

[Dave Smith]

Right.

[Steven Crowder]

Wouldn't that be a good thing to do? And yet all we have right now is people protesting shutting down the government over things like making a work requirement to be there so that people that are on any kind of benefit actually provide so. Well, I think that is as good a time as any to actually introduce our guests, because as More of a libertarian. And I've often said I'm a libertarian. Small L. In the past, I would have libertarian leanings. We'd probably agree with on this as far as SNAP and EBT or any of these social safety nets. And that obviously ties back to, of course, immigration, which is where I get off the libertarian train in a lot of ways. But I know this next man. We agree on a whole lot. I am glad to have him on. Do you have him there in the line? Are we good to go? All right, please. Welcome to the program. Very funny man, comedian. He is host of Part of the Problem, a funny podcast. Go and watch that. Listen to that. Mr. Dave Smith. Mr. Smith, can you see me? Can you hear me, sir?

[Dave Smith]

I can indeed. Do you see and hear me?

[Steven Crowder]

I do. And I'm angry because you seem to be aging at a much slower rate than the catcher's mitt in front of you.

[Dave Smith]

Is that true?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, it is. You got that thick head of black hair. And I just. It's like every day I wake up and I have a new. I have a new wrinkle. So you and John Stossel. Adrenochrome. We don't need to talk about it.

[Dave Smith]

Did you just tell me I have a thick head of hair? Do you like. Do you have body dysmorphia? How do you see yourself? Do you see yourself as a bald man?

[Steven Crowder]

No, I don't see myself as a bald man. I just see your hair as luscious. And we don't need to talk about that right now. This is. Now, see, this is veering into people. They want to see blood kit. But look, Dave, did I miss anything as far as, like, plugs or the upcoming shows? I know your podcast, your ex. What's the best place for people to go find you now? All that.

[Dave Smith]

All that stuff's Good. Comic Dave Smith.com is my. If my website, if people want to go check that out. But all that was good.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, well. And I'm very glad that we've had you on the show. I know I had some scheduling issues and I just wanna set some kind of set the stage here for a little bit. And then I wanna give you the floor is. Look, I think here's the reason that you're on the show. For people who don't know, this goes back several months. I think that you and I agree on a whole lot more than we disagree, which is why I was surprised at some of your takes. For example, like, I think on foreign aid. And you can correct me If I'm wrong on any of this or you disagree, I don't think we should be providing foreign aid to anybody, Israel included, as well as all the surrounding nations. I think we fund all sides of this war. I think we do that a whole lot. Stop all of it. Let the chips fall where they may. I agree with you that no one should have secret nukes. I think that Israel's nukes are so secret that Dave Smith and Steven Crowder can talk about it on a podcast. But I don't think that anyone should be able to have some kind of a different protocol on nukes. Aipac, I've said they should go screw themselves with a wire brush. I don't like any lobbying group that acts outside of America's interests. I think we would agree on most of that. And as I understand it, you're pro life. You've talked about that. I know when we test called, you have a cute little guy about the same age as mine, and I think that fundamentally changes you. So all of these things, we'd be aligned. This is why I'm such a universe apart where when I invited you on the show where you called for impeaching President Trump, that's definitely a divergence, and I don't see how that's better for America or the movement. If we agree on so much. Could you. The floor is yours, sir. Okay.

[Dave Smith]

Well, yeah, I think I certainly would agree with you on all the things that you outlined there, but I think I would go a bit further and say that not only am I very critical of the foreign aid to Israel or critical of aipac, but I'm also very critical of the neoconservatives who are essentially, you know, a core constituency in the Israel lobby. I'm very critical of. I'm very critical of the Republican Party that essentially allowed the neocons to become the drivers of U.S. foreign policy in the George W. Bush administration. And many people who still have those same tendencies. I mean, the, the Mark Levins and Ted Cruzes and people like that. Well, maybe not officially. Technically, neocons certainly are, in effect, no different from them. And so in terms of, you know, one of the things, like in terms of me calling for Trump's impeachment, one of the things that's interesting to me is that I got so many people as a response to that who essentially, you know, were saying, Ben Shapiro and Josh Hammer and all these guys criticizing me. Look at him. He's betrayed Donald Trump. All the neocons, Mark Levin, the Never Trumpers, the original 2016, never Trumpers like, I still remember that copy of National Review. I'm sure you do too. They all said, oh, but no, look, to me, I don't have any loyalty to any politician because I'm a free man in the United States of America. Donald Trump launched a war of choice, a war of aggression, on behalf of a foreign country while we were in the middle of negotiations with said country. I thought it was an unbelievably reckless decision. Thankfully, you know what I mean? At least for now, you know, it didn't turn into a catastrophe like many of the other conflicts have, and Trump deserves certainly a good portion of the credit for that. But no, I don't take that back at all. I am not. I, I believe that America should only fight wars when America is threatened. And I don't believe in this adventurism, which I think is absolutely crazy, which, which continues under the Trump administration, continued under the Biden and obviously the Obama and Bush administrations. I'm against all of this stuff. So, yeah, that's. I was loudly in opposition to the Iran war.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. And I think that's fair. I think some of what you just said I agree with, I disagree with some of the premises, but it sounds like you're saying you still support the idea, or did at that point in time, the impeachment of Donald Trump. And this is where I think we diverge. And I know that you've also pointed this out, and by the way, I think rightfully so, you're a libertarian, but you are not an open borders libertarian. You've talked about the need for borders, correct? Yes. Yeah, because I always said small l libertarian. Ish. But I've always labeled myself conservative. I've never agreed with him on that. Were you ever at any point, you know, like the Reason magazine sort of open borders approach to libertarianism?

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, I mean, I think like when I, when I first became a libertarian, I was, I was kind. Yeah, that was probably my default position is like, yeah, just allow freedom, freedom of movement. The government shouldn't really be doing anything to non violent people. But it was actually libertarian thinkers who convinced me the other way, most notably Murray Rothbard and Hans Herman Hoppe. And essentially I just got convinced by their argument that it's not in fact the correct libertarian position. Like it doesn't follow from libertarian principles that government property ought to be available to the entire world. In fact, what follows from libertarian principles is that is really more taxation is theft that the government robbed from the domestic population in order to fund and maintain government. Property. And therefore it should probably approximate what the domestic population would like to be done with it.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Dave Smith]

If that makes sense.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know that that's mainstream libertarianism, but I think that your view is the correct one and I agree with you.

[Dave Smith]

Listen, but I do want to just. Can I just, just very quickly just say that it is true that there are organizations like Cato and Reason and stuff like that that are more open borders.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Dave Smith]

But it's also true that Ron Paul, I think, is probably the most mainstream libertarian ever and he completely agrees with, you know, border restrictions. So it's debatable what the mainstream libertarian position is.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. But I think yours is correct in that. And I just. Because a lot of people see libertarians and of course they see the foolishness that they see on a national platform of open borders, a lot of libertarians, and go like, you're not that. I also want to be clear too, to be as charitable as possible. I hate the word, but just to be as sincere as possible. There are people out there, and I know that you've appeared at tpusa and Charlie Kirk talked about this. There are people out there who hate Jews. I do not consider. And for anyone watching in chat, I do not consider you amongst them at all, to be clear. So I don't want this to turn into Jewsburg. I don't think that's the case. I think there are those people. And because I invited you, Candace Owens, some other people on the show, you're the only one who had the balls to show up, which I appreciate. I don't want people lumping you in that category. I think you have legitimate grievances with the government of Israel and that does not make somebody anti Semitic. I just say this because I want to cut off at the past. People going, he hates Jews. Or people going, he's a shield for the Jews. It's like, well, okay, none of those things are true going back to the impeachment. That was the original question. So you stand by it. Here's the thing. Being real world conservative, right wing, small l Libertarian, what mechanism would you have in place for that? And how is that better for America? Because obviously, even if we get to a mechanism, you'd lame duck the most effective president of our lifetime. I think it's hard to argue the most anti war president of our lifetime and you'd end up with four years of like a Biden or a Gavin Newsom or a Whitmer. That's how it plays out in the real world. You okay with It. I'm not. That's where I disagree.

[Dave Smith]

Well, I think. Well, first of all, I would. J.D. vance would become the president if Donald Trump was removed.

[Steven Crowder]

But again, more hawkish than Trump, though, so it doesn't fix the problem.

[Dave Smith]

I don't know. I don't know about that. And I don't know if I agree with you that, I mean, look, yeah, if you're comparing Donald Trump to Obama and George W. Bush and Joe Biden, like, yes, okay, he's preferable to them. But again, yes, but again, I'm just making the point.

[Steven Crowder]

I think it's, I think, I just think this is an important difference. That's where I think we separate. I am comparing him to all presidents before him and the alternatives. And even if J.D. vance becomes president. Yeah, I know it goes through the lineage. Vance. And then I believe with Johnson, Rubio, it would be a lame duck presidency. Right. Because the public would just see this man's impeached for the third time. Corruption, and it would be waiting out the clock until there's another election.

[Dave Smith]

Well, I mean, first of all, the first two times Donald Trump was impeached, he was impeached for complete nonsense. And so it would be a little bit different to have a president impeached for launching an illegal war. That is a very different thing. But I would, I think the more important point here is that, look, obviously there's no mechanism for me to, to have Donald Trump impeached. I'm not a member of Congress who's introducing articles of impeachment. I'm a commentator who was on record supporting Donald Trump in 2024. And so when the war first broke out, what I was doing was saying in the loudest possible way that there's a huge group of people here who supported you, not only upset about this, but are repudiating everything about you, are criticizing you in the strongest possible language. Now, I am one of, in terms of like the Trump base of influential support. I'm one of the smaller members who was criticizing. I mean, he had Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and even Charlie Kirk, who didn't exactly criticize him, but certainly was critical of the idea of getting into a regime change war with Iran. And I felt like at the time, like.

[Steven Crowder]

But did they call for impeachment and execution?

[Dave Smith]

Did I call for execution?

[Steven Crowder]

You have you said that Donald Trump should be buried beneath the prison for war crimes?

[Dave Smith]

Oh, he is. Okay, well, that's a separate thing. But what I said, what I called for in this case was, but did.

[Steven Crowder]

They do anything comparable?

[Dave Smith]

Hold on, let me.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, hold on, Dave. You did tend to filibuster. And I do want to, I want to stick to this. Just because this is outside of that, I don't think we have that big of a disagreement. Right.

[Dave Smith]

Well, I don't think I'm filibustering. I was just trying to finish my point.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, so I think you've already described. Answer. Right. The mechanism, the mechanism in place would be Congress. Correct? I'm not saying that you do it to yourself, Dave, but like you said, you were using an influential platform. You, There were some other people and largely the left who were calling for impeachment. So I think that still you stand by it. But the real world fallout of that is far worse for the United States and for the Keep America, Make America Great America first movement. And that's where I think we diverge. And when I see you saying that, first off, it gives me pause. And I only see you, you just mentioned those people and the left calling for his impeachment and you say, well, yeah, he's better than these other presidents. Okay, so what would be better? If you're calling for the impeachment, and it could be facetious, the execution of Donald Trump. That seems pretty extreme and it seems like a big difference.

[Dave Smith]

I mean, again, I mean, you can say I'm filibustering, but let me explain my position here is that the point I was making was that so many of Donald Trump's most important. There's really never been a moment in my lifetime like that before. There's really never been. I can't think of any time where George W. Bush did something and out shout Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly were just like, that's it, we're done supporting him. And Obama never lost Rachel Maddow or something like that. And I think the fact that so many of us stood up against that was in terms of, like, to your point. In terms of the real world, what can we actually do? I think that was the most effective thing that we could do at that point was just to make it very clear that if you do get us into another catastrophic war here, you're going to lose a huge portion of your support. This is the only incentive that politicians respond to. Okay, now, in terms of your, your point about misunderstanding, can I address that? Yeah, sure, go ahead.

[Steven Crowder]

So, and I know that you and I, I think we both share a hatred, a fundamental hatred of mischaracterizations. Hopefully you don't think that I've done That here I've asked these questions fairly. I think that's a mischaracterization. I think it was at large of Donald Trump from you, I think to say that he should be impeached based on a betrayal when we probably don't have a president who with a more clear track record on any issue than Donald Trump on Iran. If I said Israel, I meant to say Iran, where he said they can't get nukes. That famous escalator ride down immediately said, and if I'm president, Iran won't get nukes. And before that on X, saying Iran cannot get a nuke. 60 days talking, negotiating. They weren't playing ball. Time is up. You can disagree with it, but to suggest that that's a betrayal, I would say that it's the exact opposite. People maybe need to do the research on the candidate who, who they're supporting. In your case, endorsing, electing. He was very consistent about that.

[Dave Smith]

No, I disagree completely. And I think that Donald Trump also bragged about not getting us in any new wars and bragged about ending wars, many of which he didn't end. But no, I mean, look, there's a major difference between just saying Iran won't get nukes, which could mean anything, and saying I will launch a war against Iran if they enrich up to 60% and are still willing to negotiate down the enrichment. I'm sorry, those are just very different things.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, you called for his impeachment before he launched the strike.

[Dave Smith]

We're not at war.

[Steven Crowder]

But Dave, Dave, you've been.

[Dave Smith]

Hold on.

[Steven Crowder]

You always do this where you say, let me finish a sentence, but then you address a point and then scattershot different points.

[Dave Smith]

You call for this on the exact point that you just asked me about. Stephen, you're claiming I'm filibustering. You're interrupting every time I speak.

[Steven Crowder]

No, I'm not. Dave. I want to address that one point and then we'll go back. We're not at war. You called for his impeachment before the strike. I do think if you're talking about. I don't. What other option outside of diplomacy? Cuz you said there are many other options. It could mean anything. Donald Trump, again, in context, if you look at the context, said it was a huge failure. Barack Obama's policy on Iran, he said that you cannot set red lines that you do not enforce. And I will enforce my red lines. Donald Trump was very clear. He set a red line. 60 days are up. So we've tried the diplomacy. Well, what other mechanisms are in place to prevent it. Yeah.

[Dave Smith]

Okay. Well, I don't think. I mean, again, if you're saying that enriching up to 60% was the big problem, then Obama's. The JCPOA wasn't a failure. They weren't enriching anywhere near to that level until Donald Trump tore up the agreement. Excuse me. Or walked away, pulled America out of the agreement. And yes, he, he arbitrarily set a timeline of 60 days, but there were meetings scheduled for the next day or two days later after when Israel first struck them and Donald Trump walked away. So the alternative was obviously to keep negotiating. Look, Iran was there to negotiate down the 60% enrichment. They had been down to 3 to 5%. When America was good standing members of the JCPOA. The obvious alternative would have been to keep negotiating.

[Steven Crowder]

So you believe that it's a more effective form of world leadership and an impeachable offense to set a date, a timeline, say, last call. I've counted to three. Count to three and then say, I didn't mean it.

[Dave Smith]

No, I'm saying that would be what.

[Steven Crowder]

He would do effectively. Right. If he. Yeah, no, I'm saying that's silly for a president.

[Dave Smith]

Okay, right, right, right. But that's not what I said. But you think what you said is silly. Okay, but what I'm saying.

[Steven Crowder]

No, he did say. Right, we're 60 days up. Was Iran negotiating? Did Iran come to the negotiating table? Did Iran allow.

[Dave Smith]

Finish whenever you want to. And then I'll try to.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, I asked you that. Were the 60 days up? Did Donald Trump count to three? Yeah. So he should continue negotiating after he sets a red line.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, well, he would. Well, no, Stephen, it's a little bit more. It's, it's a little bit more than 1 cent.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Dave Smith]

It's a little bit more than 1 centimeter deep.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, please enlighten me.

[Dave Smith]

As shallow as I am, dude, it's like you just.

[Steven Crowder]

I know, go ahead.

[Dave Smith]

No, just a lot of people told me that, watch out, he's going to be constantly interrupting you. But I didn't realize it was actually going to be like this. Okay, so Donald Trump. What happened was Donald Trump had signaled at the beginning of the negotiations that he would be open to some enrichment, but that he wanted it to be brought down. And then Mark Levin and all of the hawks, they insisted that you put in the poison pill of absolutely no enrichment of uranium whatsoever. And he went along with that. And Iran was like, yeah, that's. And then he set the 60 days. Now, look, I Think it was a bad move to ever put that poison pill in and to ever set those 60 days. But, yes, at that point, once you've done that, diplomacy in this case was obviously preferable to force. And I think, in fact, probably we are in a more likely position now that Iran breaks out and tries to get a nuclear weapon than we were if he had continued the negotiations. But certainly you exhaust the negotiations, you try diplomacy as much as you can. War should always be an absolute last option. And he didn't exhaust that. Instead, that he supported attacking them in the middle of the negotiations. That is dishonest, honorable, it is unethical, and it's bad leadership.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I don't think it's dishonorable. I don't think it's unethical, and I don't think it's bad leadership. I think it would be bad leadership to allow a country to completely flagrantly disregard their own agreements, to not honor their word, to have international oversight committees that you cite Dave, as the gold standard, saying, yeah, they're only a few weeks away from this kind of dangerous uranium enrichment, and then to say, you know, let's continue diplomacy. So here's my question to you, because you said impeach, you said war crimes, and it sounds to me like there's no president in our lifetime who you wouldn't bury beneath the prison for war crimes. Can you name one?

[Dave Smith]

No. I think every president in my lifetime has been a war criminal. That's right.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, so every president in your lifetime has been a war criminal, impeached Donald Trump beneath the prison.

[Dave Smith]

He's part of being a world empire. Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. I don't think Donald Trump is a neocon. As a matter of fact, I think he's the least neocon of all the presidents that we've had. We might just have a disagreement on that, but I definitely think he's a neocon. Well, you said your gripe was with neocons and your criticism of Donald Trump. I have criticisms of Donald Trump. H1BS, big one. I went in hard on that, for crying out loud. When you talk about the Epstein debacle, unveiling, that Pam Bondi shouldn't have a job, the Chinese student, foreign visas. I think that that's a big problem. I criticize him on a regular basis, calling for impeachment. And buried beneath the prison when this man has ended more wars than any other president, at least that I can recall. Pretty close. He's ended many wars. The only one that he hasn't ended.

[Dave Smith]

Is Ukraine, which ones, which ones did he end?

[Steven Crowder]

We're talking about conflicts right now. I mean for 12 day war is done if you want to, because you've attributed that to Donald Trump and Israel. I mean, we now have a ceasefire. Before that we had the Abraham Accords. I mean, if you look at the invasions that have taken place, none of.

[Dave Smith]

Those ended a war. Abraham Accords didn't end any wars.

[Steven Crowder]

So if we're looking at the other examples in the past where you look at invasions from Russia when they got froggy, obviously, obviously they tend to favor Democrat administrations. I think he's been very non interventionist, not an isolationist. And I think that him, Thailand, Cambodia is one that comes to mind. India, Pakistan, none of those count. Israel, Gaza, India, Pakistan.

[Dave Smith]

No, it's not that none of them count, Stephen.

[Steven Crowder]

It's just Azerbaijan, Armenia. I know that because I have a lot of Armenian friends. I mean, you keep interrupting me, I'm giving do none of these count?

[Dave Smith]

I don't think any of them are wars that Donald Trump was conducting that he ended. I mean, Donald Trump, look in his first four years, he inherited the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan. He we had troops in Syria, we had troops in Somalia. He talked about pulling them out and in fact, I think he was the major reporting about him being lied to about the number of troops in Syria. But he never did get them out. He kept the war going in Afghanistan for four years, surged it even though he knew it was an unwinnable war. Did I will give him credit, he eventually wrote the plans that did get out, but it was for his second term. And then of course he left it to Joe Biden to completely fumble.

[Steven Crowder]

No disagreement there.

[Dave Smith]

He kept the war in in the Saudi invasion of Yemen going his entire first four years. He just broke records for the most strikes in Somalia in any year. We've been bombing them since 2002, I think, I mean, is so I don't know. And he's backed Israel his entire time, their destruction of Gaza and he's failed to stop the war in Ukraine. So like again, his rhetoric is certainly better. And there are a few things I could look to that I would point to go, hey, he did a really good job there. But I don't know, I don't really agree with your overall characterization.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, no, it's not that you disagree with my overall characterization. Your question was name me any wars he's ended and then you move the goalposts, right?

[Dave Smith]

No, no, no, no. When I said wars he's ended, I didn't mean like he picked up a phone call and then a conflict like between two other parties. I'm saying wars that America has been involved in.

[Steven Crowder]

So diplomacy doesn't.

[Dave Smith]

Counting or fighting.

[Steven Crowder]

So none of those.

[Dave Smith]

That's. No, I'm not saying it doesn't count. I'm saying that's not exactly a war he ended.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I just want to. Well, I want to have this conversation in good faith. And if you say name me any wars he's ended, I go, okay, Thailand, Cambodia, Israel, Gaza, cease fire. Armenia, Azerbaijan, you could argue, hold on a second. You could argue that Yemen, really a proxy war with Iran, which kind of brings us back to the initial point. It's certainly more than other presidents. So picking up the phone and engaging in diplomacy, which I thought you would be supportive of, he's done it more than other presidents. And I would say he's set apart pretty significantly, which is why I don't want to impeach him. I don't think that would make America stronger, more effective. I think it would make us weaker. That's really the crux of this. I think he's better than other presidents. I think he's the most effective president of our lifetime and I don't think it's an impeachable offense. He asked me which wars did he end. I just gave you a list. Do those count?

[Dave Smith]

Well, okay, look, if you're talking about the war between Israel, if you can call it a war, Israel's destruction of Gaza. Yes. After funding and facilitating the whole thing for his entire second term of his presidency, he's gotten a very loosely holding together cease fire as of right now. So yes, as I've said on my show and said publicly, I give him credit for that. That part was better. The funding it for his entire presidency, which you seem to agree with, that part was wrong.

[Steven Crowder]

I agree with the funding of it. You're saying.

[Dave Smith]

No, I said, which you already said.

[Steven Crowder]

I agree with you.

[Dave Smith]

Yes, you agree with me. I'm just making.

[Steven Crowder]

I agree with you. Yeah. So, okay, you and I share that same common ground, but I just think it's important. Okay. Dave, you said interrupting. I've got a timer clock going. I don't think you're going to like the way it looks. Okay, so I was listing the other examples of Donald Trump being a non interventionist in comparison to Biden, for example, even just using your example there, talk about funding the war, Israel, Gaza, cease fires pretty damn quick into Donald Trump's presidency. And I'm not saying it's perfect. I think it's better than no ceasefire. I think picking up the phone and ending conflicts is better than not. But we still find ourselves at the intersect of impeachment. And so as. Let's move on. You stand by it? I believe that the impeachment which you called for before the surgical strike on Iranian enrichment facilities was based on him starting another illegal, baseless war. Right. That would be the reason for it.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, sure. A war of choice. A war of aggression. An illegal war. The Constitution is very clear. You need Congress to declare a war. Every single war since World War II has been illegal. There was absolutely no need to launch those strikes. They pose no threat to us.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, so that's where I would disagree. But I also understand that you're consistent and I do appreciate it. You think that every war since World War II is illegal. Every military strike and every president is a war criminal who should be executed. I don't think that's realistic. And if you look at the War Powers act, it delegates the authority exclusively to the president to make that kind of a call, and they have the right to withdraw.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, well, I mean, look, again, to be clear, I'm not arguing that that's realistic, but in the same sense that, like, you might say there should be no abortions. And I could respond to you and say, hey, that's. That's not realistic. And that is true. It's not realistic that at any point soon in the United States of America there'll be no abortions. But that's what's right. And so I'm just staking out my claim of what I believe is right. Right.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, so you mean morally you would like to see him impeached?

[Dave Smith]

I mean, morally, I think it's immoral to launch wars of aggression. And choice is what I mean.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, so. But then you said that that would be unconstitutional in an illegal war. Obviously, the Supreme Court disagrees. Obviously, every other president who was far more hawkish disagrees. And obviously, even right now, when you're talking about Democrats who love. I wish you and I. Come on, you gotta agree with this. I wish you and I had a passion for anything as much as these people have a passion for trying to impeach your political theater against Donald Trump. And that didn't really even gain any steam because no one, aside from Dave Smith and a few other people, think this was World War 3 or an unconstitutional strike.

[Dave Smith]

When did I say it was World War Three?

[Steven Crowder]

Stephen, you talked about escalating this again back on social media, saying this could lead us into World War iii. That's why you wanted to say, please show.

[Dave Smith]

Please show my specific quote about World War 3 and what I said.

[Steven Crowder]

I will find it and I can provide it publicly.

[Dave Smith]

No, because I hear a lot of people saying this to me, but I don't remember saying it. So what did I. When did I say?

[Steven Crowder]

You didn't think it was going to escalate global conflict?

[Dave Smith]

Oh, I. I was concerned about escalation, but that's a very different thing than saying this is going to lead to World War Three.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, well, I'll rephrase then, because you did say you didn't call for. I'm like, well, burying beneath the prisoners execution. Right. I don't want to do the word play thing. If you didn't say World War Three, I apologize. It would be other people. I'll clarify that. No, no, no.

[Dave Smith]

I'm not like, Listen, I'm not saying you, like, are lying. I'm just pointing out. I don't think I said that.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I. Can we agree that that was a tenor and tone for a lot of people calling for impeaching Donald Trump. Escalation, global conflict. Right.

[Dave Smith]

There were. There were a lot of people concerned about that.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, exactly. Is that where we are?

[Dave Smith]

Are we in World War III?

[Steven Crowder]

No, I didn't say World War II. Has it escalated or has it de. Escalated? Because I'm looking at. Hold on a second. I said don't impeach. Because I actually think that our only chance at de escalation is a president like Trump. And I think at this point, he wasn't impeached. I think an unbelievable surgical strike, agree or disagree with it, was conducted with no collateral damage, with planes out over the ocean before they woke up in the morning and no one even said a word. That's why they couldn't retaliate, because they have no way to. I think the 12 Day War ended. I think we have a ceasefire agreement in Israel and Gaza, and I think we're better off. I think objectively there's been de escalation as opposed to escalation. And I don't think that's by accident. And I think if we impeach him and we follow that doctrine, I think we end up in a much worse place.

[Dave Smith]

I think that we would be in a much better place if Donald Trump had simply moved to cutting off all foreign aid to Israel and supporting this war and not attacked Iran in the first place. But, yes, it is. It is. Okay. But that's a pretty big deal. So it is absolutely true. That after we dropped those bunker busters on the Iranian nuclear sites, and then they responded with, you know, the kind of a typical Iranian response where they just wanted to save face, but really wanted to make sure that they didn't escalate the situation at all and gave advanced warning before they sent those missiles back. Donald Trump took that off ramp immediately and did de. Escalate things after that. And I think it's great that he did that again. The whole thing never needed to be started to begin with, but we'll see. We're kind of in halftime of this war now, and we'll. We'll see where this goes. You know, every time Netanyahu is interviewed about this, he's still talking about the capabilities that Iran is building back up. They're vowing to rebuild their nuclear program. Donald Trump is saying that'll be a big problem if it happens again. I don't know. We'll see.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't think Iran saber rattling is anything new. Right. I think that's happened no matter who's president. Yeah.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, that's right. And we'll see. We'll see where this goes.

[Steven Crowder]

I do think the ceasefires are pretty new. I think they're pretty unique, and I think it's kind of a calling card of Donald Trump, which is why I wouldn't want to see him impeached or buried beneath the prison. I also. And here's the thing, when we're talking about Israel funding the war, we can go to that. We can go back to Iran, if you would like to. But I agree with you in not funding. And this is a genuine question. If we stop funding Israel. Right. Stop foreign aid. I want to use the correct term, foreign aid to Israel, as well as, for example, Syria, all list the country. My answer is yes. We also bridled Israel quite a bit, which I will say I'm a fan of. They don't know what the fuck they're doing. One of the greatest moments in presidential history. I don't think there's a world in which Netanyahu apologizes to Qatar outside of President Trump walking him. And I think that we saw even since then, going in the timeline, Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. vance saying, if they annex the west bank, we'll stop all funding. Right. I think that we're leading the dance. And I think that without the brain bridling of the United States, in other words, if it's two guys, we lock them in a racquetball court. Israel, Palestine, you work it out. I think you'd see a much worse genocide. But I'd let the chips fall where they may, either direction.

[Dave Smith]

I think it's. I think it's absolutely not the case that if America wasn't backing Israel. And when you talk about this because you say foreign aid to all the countries. Right. You got to think it's not just that we, we, we prop. It's that we prop up Israel and give them all types of weapons and intelligence communication and veto every, you know, critical resolution at the UN but it's that we also prop up Jordan and Saudi.

[Steven Crowder]

Exactly.

[Dave Smith]

Egypt and all of their surrounding countries to be friends with Israel. And so the idea that if we pulled all of that back, Israel would be more aggressive, I just think is absolutely wrong. I think they would have no choice. In fact, it's the moral hazard that America always creates when we go and back. Like, okay, Ukraine's willing to fight and not take the deal because they got a blank check from America. And same with Israel. They're will they get way bigger than their bridges because the US Is backing them up. And I think we should just get out of that business altogether. And honestly, if we agree on that, there's really not much else to argue about, because that's the whole game. The whole game is that America is involved already. We are propping them up. And if we weren't doing that, I don't think we ever would have even attacked Iran. I don't even think we would be talking about Iran now.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, see, that's where I disagree. And that's where I disagree. And by the way, the same people you talk about, Saudi Arabia. And by the way, my answer is yes. Right. Just to be clear, and just so you know, I'll get accused of being anti Semitic for that position. I said it to Ben Shapiro on the show in 2015. I said, let's just stop funding all of it. Because if you add it up collectively, not just the nations who align with Israel, but the nations who would probably like to wipe Israel out, they technically come out ahead because we spread money around. And I think it's foolish we would agree on that. But Saudi Arabia is an interesting example because when we're talking about Iran, I don't care if Israel sees Iran as a threat. I care if Iran is a potential threat to the United States. Obviously, the fact that they're run by a death cult who chant Death to America isn't enough to go on. I'm not saying that. But I do think it's notable that every single one of their neighbors including places that we would consider, certainly in the west, radically Islamic, are very concerned and keep saying, hey, Iran can't have a nuke. So it's not just us. Saudi Arabia has said that if Iran nuclearizes, they absolutely would have to. It would be an arms race. Why do you think that every other surrounding nation who would be more sympathetic through religion, through culture to this nation have begged those capable to prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons and overseeing governing committees? I know we don't want to use the word intelligence because people do wordplay with that. The IAEA saying, yeah, they're close. Why does everyone think that a nuclearized Iran in that world and pretty much every president or war criminal also acknowledge that it's a problem. And Dave Smith has caught something that all these people miss to the degree that it's an impeachable and executable offense. That's my differing opinion.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah. I mean, again, to say, oh, Dave Smith's caught something that all these people miss. Like, what are you talking about? The government and the Sunni Gulf states. Yeah. Okay, I've caught some of the. That all of that is like saying, oh, you think you caught something that the CDC missed in the height of COVID or something like that?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, I think you did catch the CDC missed. I think you were right in Kobe. Okay.

[Dave Smith]

I think I'm right on this too. I think that the. Obviously the. The radical Sunni states hate the radical Shiite state because they are regional rivals. And you know, by the way, it was a bunch of Egyptians and Saudis and Al Qaeda who was backed by Saudi Arabia, who came and knocked our towers down. It wasn't any radical ship Shiites. That's our beef. That's the reason we supposedly want launch this whole war on terrorism, was to get the radical Sunnis. Now, of course, our priority has to be getting the radical Shiites. And your buddy Ben Shapiro actually kind of admitted why on his show when.

[Steven Crowder]

Why do you mischaracterize, Dave? Why do you do that? He's not my buddy. I said I talked to him about.

[Dave Smith]

That, and I presume, I guess that's true, you guys. Well, I wasn't. Didn't mean to mischaracterize. I just. You were talking about having talked to him. Yeah, I forgot you guys had your falling out. But regardless, he was celebrating when Al Qaeda took over Syria because, hey, we broke up the Shiite crescent and now Iran can't move weapons into Lebanon and isn't that great for Israel? Well, I have a different perspective of that as an American and so look, look, I'll say it like this, okay? Nobody wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon. In the wake of 9 11, the George W. Bush administration, led by the neocons in all of their wisdom, decided to put Iraq, Iran and nuclear North Korea on the axis of evil. Three countries who weren't friends and all. The only thing they had in common was that they had nothing to do with 9 11. Now, in this paradigm, North Korea decided to go nuclear. They developed nuclear weapons, and we've really never bothered them since. Gaddafi tried to denuclearize and deep, you know, de. Weaponize and got rid of his chemical weapons program. We went and overthrew him and let him get sodomized to death. Iran tried to play in the middle and they went, hey, we're letting you know that we've mastered the fuel cycle. We're enriching uranium, but we're only going to do it up to the level that we're legally allowed to. It was a standoff. It was, hey, don't attack us and we won't make nukes. But if you attack us, we could make nukes.

[Steven Crowder]

Right, right.

[Dave Smith]

That was always the whole thing.

[Steven Crowder]

I understand. And I understand that you're saying it's posturing.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, always.

[Steven Crowder]

Of course. How many nations have gotten to the point of 60% enriched uranium and not built a nuclear.

[Dave Smith]

Okay, they. Maybe that's.

[Steven Crowder]

How many have done that?

[Dave Smith]

I don't think any, but there's a lot of your threshold states. Okay, well, Stephen, let me ask you a question.

[Steven Crowder]

Doesn't that matter, though? And then the same gold standard. Hold on. The same gold standard that you cite, the iaea, who, by the way, were correct in saying that Iraq did not have nuclear weapons. Say, yeah, they're about three weeks away, which may sound extreme, but call it three months away. So zero nations have done that. That doesn't sound like posturing to me.

[Dave Smith]

Okay, well, okay, so let me ask you a question, Stephen. Why didn't they just make a nuke? Why didn't they go to 90%? They could have. Everyone knows they could have. Why didn't they?

[Steven Crowder]

Does everyone know they could have?

[Dave Smith]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

Does everyone know that they were on the path to doing so, and so it's better to cut it off at the past now than once they have the deliverable.

[Dave Smith]

Hold on. But you're not answering my question. Why are they hanging out at 60%? Why aren't they just making a nuke? They've mastered the fuel cycle. They have the enrichment. They could do it. Why are they Not.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, they're not just hanging out at 60%. And they're also looking into the delivery mechanisms, which I know you've also talked about and said they don't have the capability to do. Right. ICBMs. What would be necessary? So this brings us to the fundamental question. When would it be acceptable to intervene? If assuming that you agree with me that a nuclear Iran is not a good thing, for the same reason that Israel shouldn't have secret nukes, you set a timeline. The rest of the world saying this is dangerous. The same gold standards you cite say they're past it. Iran not allowing you into the military bases where at this point, you've now counted to three, what should be done. What point is it appropriate to step in and say, no, you're too close to nukes now.

[Dave Smith]

I don't. I don't think really it's ever appropriate to launch a war of aggression because a country developed nuclear weapons. I mean, look, the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin developed nuclear weapons. We didn't launch a war over it. We watched Mao say tongue develop nuclear weapons. We didn't launch a war over it. These are the worst men who have ever existed in the history. History of the world. And so, like, no, I don't think that's something you launch a war over. I do think you do whatever it is, whatever is in your power diplomatically, to. To try to prevent that. Because, sure, nuclear weapons in general are horrible, you know, and we don't want more people getting them.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Dave Smith]

You don't. I don't believe in launching wars of aggression. And I also think it's completely incompatible with Christianity. Right. Yeah, that's.

[Steven Crowder]

And that also sounds like a liberal argument where people say, you know, hey, you can't be pro life and also be pro death penalty. I'm pro life. I'm pro death penalty. And I do think that a certain strike in which. Hold on. In which no collateral damage, I do think is appropriate as to the degree, as to when the intervention is appropriate. But I'm not a complete isolationist. So we do have a disagreement there. And I think that Donald Trump has been very good for America, and I want him to continue being there and hopefully the lineage continue, whether it's Vance or whoever else. I think we're better off than having a Gavin Newsom. But you mentioned something that I do find interesting. You mentioned something that. Yes, and, and to go to your point, how has a nuclear China, nuclear Russia benefited anything? And wouldn't we want to avoid Iran getting to that point? Because diplomacy doesn't work. Do you agree that diplomacy doesn't work with some of these nations? Yeah.

[Dave Smith]

Well, again, okay, so let me just say a couple things real quick to what you just said. Number one, the liberal thing of like, oh, you're pro life, but you're for the death penalty. That's really dumb because obviously the death penalty is targeting one person who's been convicted of a crime. So now if you start to get into innocent people dying in there, now they've got a much stronger argument. Just saying that.

[Steven Crowder]

How many innocent people died in Iran?

[Dave Smith]

I don't know the exact number, but several. And there are several Israelis and Iranians died in that war.

[Steven Crowder]

No, from the strike from the United.

[Dave Smith]

States, from the bunker buster strikes. There were no casualties on that, but it was still a war that America was backing, and people did die in the war. Regardless.

[Steven Crowder]

You said you can't be Christian and so support that. That's what I supported. That's what I didn't want to impeach Donald Trump over. Is that fair?

[Dave Smith]

No, I know what I said is that you can't be. I think you can't be Christian and support a war of aggression. That's what I'm saying.

[Steven Crowder]

But. So you wouldn't characterize this as a war of aggression in Iran. So to be clear, we agree. Not.

[Dave Smith]

I would. No, I didn't say that I would characterize it as a war of aggression. Absolutely. Iran didn't.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, well, I'm a Christian and I support it.

[Dave Smith]

Okay, fair enough. So we have a disagreement over that.

[Steven Crowder]

Good.

[Dave Smith]

Okay. Anyway, to your point of, say, like, diplomacy didn't work and Russia has nukes and China has nukes now, and that's not great. We don't love that they have nukes. Right, but you're missing my point. My point is. Yes, but launching a war of aggression over them would have been worse. So, yes, diplomacy doesn't always work, but that doesn't mean any time it fails, you just launch a war. A war is something you should only launch when it is absolutely necessary. You have no other option. It should be a last resort. And I think it's absolutely, absolutely just morally criminal that we have these young boys lives. And over the last, say, just say the last 25 years, we've just thrown them into war of choice after war of choice. It's horrible.

[Steven Crowder]

And I think that if any boots were put on the ground or it was a war of aggression in Iran, as opposed to a surgical strike with no collateral damage, you'd have a strong Case. Okay.

[Dave Smith]

Well, I don't know. I mean, if anyone ever did that to us, we'd certainly consider it a war. Certainly seems like an act of war to me when you start bombing a sovereign country. So I think I have a pretty strong case as it is.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, no, I don't think it's the same. But then again, I don't think that there's a moral equivalency between the United States, Donald Trump's action and Iran's. And I think that Iran enriching uranium and not honoring their own agreements makes them responsible.

[Dave Smith]

What agreement were they not honoring?

[Steven Crowder]

Well, just take the JCPOA, and I was gonna think JCPenney in my head. Take it, add time and money. Right. They've never played ball. You can say that they have, but they haven't. And that's why everybody was concerned.

[Dave Smith]

Well, but what agreement?

[Steven Crowder]

Is it not aggressive to enrich uranium and move to that point?

[Dave Smith]

I'm just asking what agreement. They were not honoring every deal that.

[Steven Crowder]

Iran has ever made.

[Dave Smith]

No, they were. They were members of the Non Proliferation Treaty in good standing. And in fact, the JCPOA allowed for them to. If America left, left to up enrichment. They were only bound in the deal, if America was still part of it, to not raise their enrichment. And so that's what they did when we got out of it. I think honestly, the JCPOA had a lot of flaws, mostly the sunset provisions. And I think it would have been totally reasonable and good for Donald Trump to get in there and even say, we're tearing this up and, or making a new deal, or we're fixing these sunset provisions. But the truth is that all you guys who are find it so aggressive that Iran was enriching up to 60%. They weren't until we pulled out of the JCPOA. That's a fact.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, they've been consistently enriching. But I do think. Look, I don't want to go around in circles on this is you agree with Barack Obama's approach to Iran. I agree with Donald Trump's. Maybe that explains why you would want to impeach Trump.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, I just find that to be like, I. Yes, okay.

[Steven Crowder]

But that was his approach.

[Dave Smith]

Who do you support in 2016 in the primary? Who are you for?

[Steven Crowder]

Rubio, Actually, in the primary of Egg on My Face, I was pro Carly Fiorinas because I loved watching her sandbag debates.

[Dave Smith]

I just love how everyone.

[Steven Crowder]

And Donald Trump. Hold on a second. Donald Trump was a Democrat, and then I supported him in the general election. I've Supported him since. But I'm saying you're right. Now are supporting, correct me if I'm wrong, Barack Obama's approach to Iran, which Donald Trump opposed in his campaign. And you oppose Donald Trump. So that's, I mean, it is kind of a binary choice. Right? Donald Trump campaigned on that.

[Dave Smith]

I mean, it's really not.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Dave Smith]

Yes, I think, I think Barack Obama, Barack Obama's foreign policy was horrible over maybe the only thing he did good was getting the JCPOA done. So, yes, in this very specific example, I do think that Obama did a better job with Iran than Donald Trump did. That is not true for the countries that like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen. Obama was horrible. But he. I do think the deal was better off than not. I think that it's, it's kind of a cheap thing on a conservative show to go, well, you're with Obama rather than Trump.

[Steven Crowder]

I didn't say that.

[Dave Smith]

Most critical thing. I am the most critical.

[Steven Crowder]

I didn't say that.

[Dave Smith]

Of probably any commentator.

[Steven Crowder]

I didn't say that.

[Dave Smith]

Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't. You might be framed it that way.

[Dave Smith]

Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

Barack Obama's approach, jcpoa working well with Donald Trump said the Iran nuclear deal is a disaster, one of the worst ever. And I would pull out. And he did. By the way, Iran didn't enrich past 20% until Biden. Right. So you have Barack Obama's approach, Donald Trump specifically criticizing it, campaigning on doing the opposite. You just. And I didn't say you support Obama. I said it seems like in dealing with Iran you would agree with Obama's approach and disagree with Donald Trump's. Is that a mischaracterization?

[Dave Smith]

I agree with the. I agree with Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul and all of the tradition of the right wingers who were smeared as unpatriotic by David From. I agree with Lou Rockwell and Ron Paul and Murray Rothbard and Pat Buchanan and the founders of our country. I take a George Washington foreign policy. So, yes, in this case, when Donald Trump said the Iran deal was the worst deal ever, I think it was really stupid. It actually wasn't. And what you should have been appalled by of Obama's foreign policy was him toppling the government in Libya, him attempting to topple the government in Syria, him backing the Saudi invasion of Yemen, him continuing to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan, his entire presidency killing innocent people for no reason at all. That's what I think is wrong with Obama's foreign policy, not the jcpoa. Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

I think all of those things are wrong. And I also think his approach to the jcpoa. I think Donald, Donald Trump's approach, this is just a difference of opinion, has been more effective. I think there's a reason that they enriched past 20% only when Biden was president. I think that force does matter. And I think that at a certain point, you can't simply engage in diplomacy with certain people. And look, I agree with Donald Trump on what he campaigned on. It doesn't mean that I think you're immoral if you disagree. I just want to clarify our positions. That might be why we're worlds apart on this idea of impeaching Donald Trump. That to me was a shock when I would think that as more libertarian leaning, as more non interventionist leaning, you might say isolationist, non interventionist, varying degrees. They're in. For example, I would love. Right, like I said, opening statement to defund all of it. I also know that's not gonna happen. Right. I think we both agree there's probably not gonna be a president in our lifetime who does that. Right. So it's not an impeachable offense. Okay? I don't think so.

[Dave Smith]

I mean, I don't know about that. You know, we're going bankrupt at an alarming rate and things are changing very rapidly in this country. I mean, I, you know, I wouldn't, I may have agreed with you 10 years ago. If you go, we're never gonna see a president who cuts off all foreign aid. I'm not so sure about that today. And I think that not only are, not only are we going bankrupt at an alarming rate. And I mean, you know about this stuff as well as anybody. It is really like the day of reckoning that guys like me and you were warning about 15 years ago is really here. I mean, the interest on the debt has overtaken the entire budget. It's our biggest budget issue is now just paying interest to foreign central banks, not even for a welfare program or for, for a war that we want to fund. And no, I think it's quite possible that we will live through a pretty big seismic shift in this area in the next few years.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I do genuinely hope that you're right. I think this is just an opinion. I think it's very unlikely if Donald Trump were to be impeached, that we'd end up with that. Right now in this scenario, I think what's more likely is a lame duck presidency and the public losing confidence in the Trump administration and voting in a leftist. And I think that would be far worse for America.

[Dave Smith]

I think that's I see. I guess I look at it a little bit differently, whereas I think. So I think that. And this is kind of always the dynamic with two party politics, right. But I actually think that Donald Trump launching wars of aggression, wars of choice. Donald Trump backing Israel at every stop, Donald Trump continuing to spend us into debt, burying the Epstein files. I think all of these things are what make it very likely that we might be looking at a president, you know, AOC or something like that, which we all should really be concerned about because they tried last time they were in there and they're going to be coming back with a vengeance if they get back. And so I think essentially by Donald Trump not draining the swamp in any meaningful way, I think he is leaving J.D. vance with nothing to run on to continue his legacy. So I think that's actually where our ire should be directed.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, no, I don't think so. I think that a big part of if this administration fails and AOC would be elected or someone like that. Of her illness, Whitmer is the one who frightens me the most having come from Michigan because people don't realize how radical she is. I think friendly fire would be a big part of it. I think friendly fire would be a big part of it. I think closed handed issues, not being treated as close handed issues and I think wanting to impeach the most effective president of our lifetime, as imperfect as he may be, I think that would be a big part of it. I think Donald Trump has done a lot of good. I think he has a lot of flaws. Epstein files huge one by the way. Bondi's the only hearing we didn't cover because I don't like her and I knew it wouldn't end up well. But I do think that culturally we're in a better place. I do think that, for example, the proposals to sort of instill work requirements 20 hours a week. Right. We just talked about that. For social safety benefits, for Social Security, verifying, checking. I think this is big. I think the single biggest budget cut proposal, while not perfect, but the most in our lifetime of 1.5 trillion. I think it's a good thing. And I think if we only aim for the perfect and hold Donald Trump to a standard that we don't hold anybody else, but I think you do because you think they're all war criminals. I think we actually paved the way for far worse. I don't think there's an equivalency. I think he's a lot better than the alternative and that's Why I was so very much caught by surprise in seeing people say, impeach him over an issue that I don't think is impeachable. And in the real world, I think it ends up really bad for the United States of America.

[Dave Smith]

Yeah, I think it was definitely the right thing for especially people who had been on the record supporting Donald Trump to as loudly oppose us getting into another war as possible. I think it was the right thing, and who knows if it had any effect on ultimately, you know, at least making there be a political price tag to him thinking about escalating the thing. I think that, you know, when you say cutting $1.5 trillion, it's like, yeah, and in Democrat math, I guess that's what the budget was doing. Whenever they say, you know, you're cutting the growth of the rate of increase of spending over the next decade. But guys like me and you never looked at budget issues like that, Steven, you know, and we're driving off a cliff in many, many different ways. I agree with you. And this is part of the reason why I voted for Donald Trump. I agree with you. I think the culture is in a much better place now. And weirdly, I think the first time Donald Trump won, the culture actually swung more to the left. I think kind of it's a very interesting dynamic. I think under Joe Biden, the culture started swinging back to the right. And I think with Trump winning, it really destroyed the corporate media in a very profound way. And so I think in a lot of ways, we're in a healthier place as a society now. For those reasons, Kamala Harris could not win. That was. And not just for policy reasons, but just because Kamala Harris being the president of the United States is a humiliation that could not be survived.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Dave Smith]

You know, like, you just can't have that woman be president.

[Steven Crowder]

So. Yeah, I agree.

[Dave Smith]

I think there's an area we can all agree on.

[Steven Crowder]

I think we all agree that Kamala Harris would be an embarrassing drunken bitch leading this country, and it probably wouldn't. When people say our standing is hurt because of Donald Trump, I think it could be a whole lot worse with Kamala Harris.

[Dave Smith]

I was. I was arguing with my. My co host Rob Bernstein about this the other day, where I was like, look, AOC is not a lot smarter than Kamala Harris. And he goes, she's so dumb. And I go, yeah, I didn't say she wasn't.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Dave Smith]

She's a lot smarter than Kamala Harris. Okay. But she really. That's how dumb Kamala Harris is. Or at least how dumb she publicly presents herself.

[Steven Crowder]

No, it's how dumb she is. It's how dumb she is.

[Dave Smith]

I mean, she's, she's good at playing the power game on the other side. Like she rose up the ranks for someone with such little discernible talent. But the thing about it is, right, is that I get, this is what I meant when I say she's a marvel.

[Steven Crowder]

When you consider how talented she is. That we agree for a minute. Honestly, it's very Chauncey Gardner. You're like, how do we. And that's where you go, yeah, it seems like people are propped up. And I agree with you on that.

[Dave Smith]

Well, well, okay, so, but I will say that, you know, and again, this is what I meant by this is the big split always in, in, in the duopoly, in the two party system, right, Is that everybody goes like, well, you can't attack our guys because their guys are worse than our guys. And there, there's a plausibility to that. Like, I understand it can weaken in your side when you're attacking them if you're trying to unify to beat the other side.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure.

[Dave Smith]

But there's also a problem in not attacking your side and not criticizing it when they're going down the wrong path because then you lose all that energy. Look, the only, the reason why Donald Trump is president twice in one, like, simple sentence is like, drain the swamp. It's the essence of Donald Trump's appeal was always, you know, that these are a bunch of criminals in D.C. and we're going to get to the bottom of that. And I'm sorry, like, I don't see any even meaningful attempt to get to the bottom of that. The, the Director of National Intelligence four months ago said she has proof that Obama committed treason and we're sending that over to the Justice Department. Does anyone here really think that Obama's going to be tried and convicted for treason? I don't buy it. I don't buy it.

[Steven Crowder]

Not any more than I think Schiff is going to be hauled out in cuffs.

[Dave Smith]

No, they're not going to drain the swamp. They're not going to do any of that. And why is it not incumbent on us then to come call that out?

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, hey, we got it right? Now, if I can say I think it is, I think it is. And I think I would argue that I've done it correctly on issues like H1B visas on Epstein. I mean, for crying out loud, I don't know if you know this. I tried to hang. We recreated Epstein Cell and did a live stream where I actively tried to hang myself and had several gauges and it was not possible. We recreated it. We recreated the timeline and was dressed up like Evel Knievel. I did not know that. Yeah. And I had a necklace, so I was safe. We had nurses on staff. It's not possible. It's been a pet cause of mine. Because we've done so much research, and that was an absolute disaster, I would say. And this would just be a difference. I think that I've done it correctly, and hopefully I've also done this correctly in presenting differences of opinions and not mischaracterizing you, because I think there also is a rot in people going off the wall using hyperbole. I would categorize impeachment and, you know, execution that. But I certainly would categorize under that. And you are not guilty of this. People saying, if you disagree with me, you're a shill for Israel. Or on the other side, people saying, hey, if you think we should defund Israel, as I do, that you're an anti Semite. And that's why I think we need to have these conversations. I think there's. I would say my opinion is there's a better way to criticize the administration while recognizing the good that they do and not really putting us in a position where we have to accept an alternative. I think impeachment comes close to that. Hey, can. Can we. Because I realize we've gone, but I want to continue. Can we just open the floor to anything that's on your mind here?

[Dave Smith]

If we go, can I just respond to that? And then we could do whatever you want to.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Okay, let's do that. Tim Pool's gonna be pissed because we haven't rated to him. But you know what? Fuck him.

[Dave Smith]

Wait, what are we doing?

[Steven Crowder]

No, no. I said, typically, I'm supposed to end on the hour and send my audience to him, and we go to Premium, and he'll be like, why? Why are the numbers not going up? But you know what he.

[Dave Smith]

I'm doing?

[Steven Crowder]

Pissing me off.

[Dave Smith]

I'm doing his show tomorrow, so I'll even hurt him today and do what I can to help him tomorrow. All right, well, I just think that. I mean, look, I think I'm doing it the right way, and I. Obviously me and you would disagree on that, because that's why you're doing it the way you're doing, and that's why I'm doing it the way I'm doing. But I would say, like, look, where, where I will really agree with you is that there's no question, right, that there is this knee jerk reaction to like if anybody's supporting Israel now to say $7,000, you're, you're a shill, you're. And this is all kind of like low IQ stuff. I don't know. And then obviously there's, there's the reaction to call everyone like a Jew hater or whatever, which is not true, especially for me. I happen to be Jewish.

[Steven Crowder]

But regardless of that, by the way, you're circumcised, right? We had a bet before you came on air. It's completely unrelated, but yeah, okay, so we have, we have come, we have common ground there. Good, good for you.

[Dave Smith]

We are there.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go.

[Dave Smith]

Not a big, not a big believer in it myself, but I wasn't able to make the choice. Yeah, well, so I would say this. I think that yes, there's a lot of craziness on all sides, but at the same time I think that there are like, if you're saying that you're also a non interventionist and you also don't want to be getting involved in these wars and you also don't want to be funding all of these other governments. Well, it does seem to me that, and again, I don't watch enough of your show to know this. Like maybe you're doing other stuff that I, and I just happen to see the stuff where you're being critical of me. But like, it seems to me like you're going out. We now have this big divide where finally there's like a non interventionist right wing in this country and there are these huge voices that are pushing in that direction. And it seems to me like you've been kind of going after all those guys rather than like, why not go after the Mark Levins and the Ben Shapiro's who are clearly itching to get America into a even more entangled, the opposite of the policy. You want.

[Steven Crowder]

I can answer that. And then I do want to go. I can answer that because you mentioned the falling out. By the way, I never had it with a, with Ben Shapiro. I had it with Jeremy Boreing. I stand by it. I think that I was right. I think owning people's name, image and likeness forevermore including their channels is a problem. I think we've seen it play out. I disagree with Ben Shapiro on a whole lot and the reason that I maintain a cordial relationship is so that I can disagree with him. I don't know that There are many people who tell Ben, I don't think we should be funding any of it. By the way, Jews can also be kind of annoying. So I think there's some health in that. I will say this, I will say this. Yeah, I know. Not yourself, actually. There's enough gentle in there. I will say that my attacking the left is about probably 20, 50 to 1, even on this very issue. And like you said, you may not know this. I was asked on air if the United States should strike Iran. Actually, everyone here. And I was the one. I said, you know what? No, I said, and the reason not is not that they're not a threat. I said, I know it comes to that at some point, if they continue down this path. I said, but I know that if it's done now, the optics will seem like we did it for Israel, which I don't believe. This is where we disagree. I don't believe is true, but I would rather it not happen now. I just think that it's played out pretty well. I'm glad that it's de escalated, which I think we can agree on. I think if you look at the numbers, I do think you punch right more often than I do. Mine has been in response, but I think we're in agreement in spirit that, yeah, we should be. And I wouldn't just say going after the neocons, I would say going after the left. Because Donald Trump is nowhere near, as we both agree, a neocon. And I'm not satisfied with him as perfection, but I like him and I want to actually celebrate the wins. Dave, I want to continue on premium here, so please don't go anywhere. We'll just open it to whatever you want, but tell people the best place to find you. I know funny podcast where you do part of the problem. Anything else? Any upcoming shows?

[Dave Smith]

I think I have only one more for the rest of the year because I take December off every year. But I believe I got Poughkeeper New York coming up in November. Comicdavesmith.com oh my gosh, Poughkeepsie's the worst.

[Steven Crowder]

I used to. When I took the train in from Montreal to New York, I had to stop in Poughkeep. It was. The only thing worse was Schenectady.

[Dave Smith]

All right, but those are the good. Those are the good comedy towns, though, where they got nothing to do but drink and laugh.

[Steven Crowder]

You ever do the comedy club in Watertown, New York, where you sleep above what's an old opera theater?

[Dave Smith]

No, I've heard of that, but I've never done that one.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, my gosh. I was there with Lewis Remy. I didn't have a car and he left. And I was just stuck above this opera house. And the bar didn't open until 6, so I couldn't get food. Anyway, we can talk about that more. Dave Smith. I appreciate being here. Everyone who's not a member, click right there. You get to continue. The rest of you go to Tim Pool. I'm sure he'll be mad, but he'll get over it. Let's go.