Deport All Illegals | Change My Mind

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Deport All Illegals | Change My Mind"

Louder with Crowder – November 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this installment of the "Change My Mind" series, Steven Crowder sets up at the University of Oklahoma to discuss one of the most contentious topics in American politics: whether all illegal immigrants in the United States should be deported. Crowder invites students and passersby to engage in open debate, aiming to reason through opposing views. The main theme revolves around the moral, economic, and cultural implications of mass deportation, the definition of American identity, and immigration policy in 2025.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Framing the Debate: Crowder’s Stance on Deportation

• Crowder clearly states his support for the deportation of all illegal immigrants.

  • "Wholesale. I support deporting all illegal aliens in this country, certainly in 2025. I think it’s imperative for a multitude of reasons. And if you disagree, you’re more than welcome to change my mind." (03:31)

• Rationale:

  • He presents arguments focused on legal clarity (illegality of residence), economic impact, and cultural assimilation.
  • Refers to significant net costs to taxpayers (citing figures between $150-450 billion per year).
  • Emphasizes distinction between legal and illegal immigration, including reference to personal experiences (his mother and wife as naturalized citizens).

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2. First Exchange: Crowder vs. Savannah (Social Work Student)

Segments: 00:00–23:17

a. Tone and Approach to Conversation

• Crowder insists the "Change My Mind" series is about good-faith debate, not viral dunking or manipulation. (02:41)
• Savannah expresses skepticism about having a productive conversation, citing Crowder's "demeaning tidbits" and reliance on statistical arguments.

Savannah [03:25]: "I don’t think that I can change your mind, and I don’t think you can change mine. Although I’d like to see you try."

b. Defining Terms

• Savannah asks Crowder to define "illegal" and clarify exactly who he thinks should be deported.
• Crowder responds: "Anyone who is in this country illegally, who committed the misdemeanor of coming to this country illegally or visa overstays, which make up a percentage..." (05:39)

c. Historical and Philosophical Arguments

• Savannah raises the "stolen land" argument (09:02), questioning the legitimacy of labeling anyone as "illegal" on "stolen land."
• Crowder redirects to practical matters, insisting on "real world" applicability and clarity regarding contemporary law and policy.

d. Practicality, Costs, and Policy Solutions

• Crowder challenges Savannah (and by extension, opposing arguments) to propose a practical alternative to mass deportation.
• Savannah ultimately asserts, "I don't think that anyone should be deported unless maybe someone's being extradited back to a country of origin." (09:47)

e. Circularity and Communication Breakdown

• Conversation becomes tense with mutual accusations of misrepresentation, circular logic, and interruption.

Savannah [13:58]: "Well, it's almost as if that you're insinuating that illegal citizens do not pay taxes."

Crowder [14:21]: "I would say it's interesting the way you interpret it, because what I said is they cost the American taxpayer 150 to 450 billion..."

f. Clash on Social Work, Empathy, and Identity

• Savannah tries to explore Crowder’s background—his references to "my lady" and immigrant family.
• Crowder pushes back, defending these as personal and culturally rooted identifiers.

Crowder [20:11]: "When you say listening to people and finding out where they're coming from, perhaps when you ask questions, listening to the answers and taking an interest in the reasoning, the rationale, the logic behind it..."

g. Debate Dissolves

• Savannah ultimately feels the conversation isn’t productive due to perceived disrespect and lack of genuine exchange. The interaction ends amicably, but with clear frustration on both sides. (23:04)

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3. Second Exchange: Crowder vs. Andy (Vietnamese-American Student)

Segments: 25:26–44:58

a. Economic Arguments Reiterated

• Crowder lays out claims that illegal immigrants generate a net drain on taxpayer finances and that deportation, though costly upfront, could result in savings within 1–2 years.

Crowder [28:01]: "The average cost to deport an illegal alien right now is... about $17,000. So if we deported, let’s just say the 20 million who came in under Biden... it would be net savings."

b. The Logic of Jobs and Fairness

• Andy raises the point that some immigrants come looking for work and may even be more skilled than domestic workers.
• Crowder counters that Americans are excluded from both low- and high-skilled jobs due to cheaper immigrant labor and that “America should prioritize Americans.”

c. Assimilation & Culture

• The discussion turns to cultural assimilation, language requirements, and the idea of American identity.
• Crowder: "If Americans aren't good enough for low skilled labor, they're not good enough for high skilled labor... At what point do you say, hey, Americans matter too. Is that fair?" (32:01–33:09)
• Andy acknowledges the complexity, noting American culture evolves and is a "melting pot," but Crowder distinguishes between integration and parallel, non-assimilating communities.

d. Policy Compromise

• Crowder proposes a "middle ground": let illegal immigrants stay if they pay back taxes plus interest, pass a language and civics test, and prove community contribution—otherwise, deported.

Crowder [43:13]: "If we catch you and you’re here illegally, all right, you can stay if you pay all your back taxes... pass a language test... and provide proof of contribution..."

• Andy finds this “pretty fair,” but wonders about the immediacy and practicality.

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4. Third Exchange: Crowder vs. Joshua (Mexican-American Student)

Segments: 45:39–69:17

a. Possibility and Enforcement

• Joshua doubts whether it is possible to deport everyone and questions the justice of blanket policies.
• Crowder concedes total enforcement is impractical, but reaffirms the principle as a policy goal.

b. Children of Immigrants and “Deprivation”

• Joshua, the child of immigrants, shares his pride in educational opportunity and worries that mass deportation denies similar opportunities to others.

Joshua [48:09]: "You kind of rob sort of children as myself... from an opportunity like this... It means the world to me."

• Crowder responds, "Why is it the American citizens job to provide that?"

c. Jobs, Wages, and Employment

• Both agree Americans are harmed by wage competition and that, contrary to stereotypes, both immigrants and native-born Americans aspire to more than just “blue-collar” jobs.
• They discuss the frustration when Americans are displaced by cheaper foreign labor on H1-B visas.

d. National Character and Cultural Preservation

• They agree that a strong America is desirable, and Joshua appreciates being in a country where he feels safe and able to pursue social mobility.
• Crowder asserts that melting pot ideals should not trump the necessity of shared language, values, and patriotism, stating both economic and cultural reasons for more restrictive policy.
• Joshua acknowledges some Americans have turned away from celebrating diversity due to linguistic and cultural divides.

Joshua [57:25]: "We kind of used to... admire being such a boiling pot and now it kind of seems like we are straying away from that."

e. Solutions and Practicality

• Joshua asks for workable policy recommendations.
• Crowder suggests the path forward must include an official language and "selectivity" in legal immigration, enforcing requirements for economic contribution and assimilation.

f. “Less American” and Identity

• Crowder admits to viewing non-English-speaking immigrants as “less American,” distinguishing between race and cultural contribution.
• Joshua accepts the distinction as reasonable, not racist.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Economic Costs

• Crowder [25:30]:
  "Illegal aliens cost a taxpayer in this country anywhere from 150 billion on the low end to $450 billion a year. Taxpayers, let's split it and call it 350 billion or so. That's a lot. And there's no reason for it because it's something that could be prevented."

On Assimilation and Identity

• Crowder [07:15]:
  "My mom is French Canadian... she went through the process... my woman is Latina... Both of them actually are far more aggressive than I am in deporting illegal aliens because they appreciate the citizenship."

On Historical Perspective

• Savannah [09:02]:
  "If we're talking about the colonial era... how can people be illegal on stolen land?"

On Policy and Compromise

• Crowder [43:13]:
  "If we catch you and you’re here illegally, all right, you can stay if you pay all your back taxes... pass a language test... and provide proof of contribution..."

On Language and American Identity

• Crowder [13:46]:
  "Why should the American taxpayer keep footing the bill for current criminals who are also illegal aliens? That's... who are affected."

• Andy [37:19]:
  "I feel patriotism is a big part of it [American culture]. And also just like the, like self working man, right? Like you're pulling yourself up by the bootstrap."

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• (03:31) Crowder clearly states his position on deporting all illegal immigrants
• (05:39) Defining “illegal” for the discussion
• (09:02) Savannah brings up “stolen land” as a challenge to current legality
• (13:58–14:49) Back-and-forth about tax contributions of illegal immigrants
• (20:11–22:15) Clashes over conversational style and debate etiquette
• (28:01–28:47) Economic calculation of deportation costs vs. benefits
• (32:01–33:09) Job market and cultural assimilation discussion with Andy
• (43:13) Crowder’s proposed “middle ground” policy for illegal immigrants
• (48:09) Joshua shares personal experience as a child of immigrants
• (55:21–56:06) Discussion of race, culture, and American identity
• (63:10–64:16) Crowder describes changes in immigration policy enforcement
• (67:13) Crowder articulates "less American" concept for non-assimilating immigrants

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Overall Tone and Style

• Crowder leads with assertiveness, often challenging guests to defend their positions with specificity and clarity, using statistics and personal anecdotes.
• Guests (especially Savannah) express discomfort with perceived debate structure and communication dynamics, including occasional complaints about being interrupted or mischaracterized.
• Tone becomes more collaborative with Andy and Joshua, leading to some areas of agreement and more mutual respect, though philosophical and policy disagreements persist.
• The atmosphere is robust, direct, and occasionally tense but with attempts at ending on amicable terms.

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Additional Notes

• Crowder often references his own family’s immigration background to bolster his stance on legal immigration and assimilation.
• Several participants raise concerns about moving goalposts and the danger of circular argumentation in debates of this kind.
• Each conversation returns cyclically to questions of practicality: how mass deportation would or would not work, definitions of fairness, and the actual meaning of American identity.
• Crowder prioritizes economic and cultural arguments, while guests often emphasize compassion, personal stories, or philosophical questions about justice.

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This episode acts as a microcosm of the wider immigration debate in America, balancing competing interests of law, economics, identity, and empathy, while exposing the gaps and sticking points in the pursuit of compromise or consensus.

Transcript

[Steven Crowder]

Well, what I mean is, if you ask me my opinion and then I answer and you go, that's interesting. That sounds possessive. Or that sounds.

[Savannah]

I think that to the ordinary person, identifying your lady as my lady would sound possessive. But maybe that's a cultural norm that I'm not accustomed to.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure, I'm sure you're not. But is that relevant to the point and the answer? Because you interrupted. You interrupted to say that offends me rather than listening. So do you not listen to people who come in and seek your social work the same way?

[Savannah]

Oh, I promise I do.

[Steven Crowder]

Just not here.

[Savannah]

I came here to have a productive conversation and usually when I encounter someone in my field, they are also looking to have a productive conversation. But the way that you throw in the little tidbits that are demeaning, the way you have very circular argument, you throw stats, that's what makes me a little apprehensive to continue speaking with you.

[Steven Crowder]

Oklahoma University, home of the Sooners. And the location for the latest installment of Change My Mind, the series where we reason through our positions on controversial topics, which today is. Is Deport all illegals. That's right, all. And as you can imagine, it inspired some inspired acts. Of course, none of them had any intention of sitting down and, you know, talking. It's much easier to yell racist and scurry off. Of course, they didn't necessarily represent the majority. There were plenty of students who did want to sit down for some face FaceTime. So many, in fact, that we couldn't begin to get to all of them. Plenty of them were genuinely productive conversations. Others were not. My mom is French Canadian. My woman is Latina.

[Savannah]

Your woman?

[Steven Crowder]

My woman, My lady, my Mrs.

[Savannah]

Belongs to you.

[Steven Crowder]

And you know, let me know in the comments, which kind of conversation do you prefer watching in this series? Hit the like button while you're at it. We are funded and supported entirely by viewers like you. Thank you for those that that do now on with Deport All Illegal. Change my mind.

[Savannah]

Wow.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't bite. If you don't mind moving a little, you can face forward. But I gotta hold the mic up because we've had people try and run off with the mic too, so I gotta hold it. What's your name, by the way?

[Savannah]

My name is Savannah.

[Steven Crowder]

Savannah. Nice to meet you, Savannah. Let me ask you, how familiar are you, if at all with kind of this installment, this series?

[Savannah]

Not at all. Actually, I didn't know that you would be here today until I saw the signs around campus and then, yeah, I, I think one of my friends googled you and found out that you were 38, but that's it.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, okay. Well, at least they got it right because they also say I own a waterfront. Dallas ocean. Dallas waterfront property, which doesn't even make sense. Yeah, it's not possible. So let me explain to you kind of, just so we're not talking past each other, Let me first tell you kind of what it's not. It's not. Gotcha. Scoring points, dunking clips, which I know we see a lot online. This was actually created a lot about a decade ago to be sort of the anti cable news, where people can actually have convers conversations that you don't see in media, where hopefully they're done in good faith. And it's of course, used in its entire context. We never edit it out of context. So obviously, however you want to have the conversation, that's up to you. But I just want you to know where I'm coming from.

[Savannah]

Yeah, that's fine. For a constructive conversation.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Savannah]

I don't think that I can change your mind, and I don't think that you can change my mind. Although I'd like to see you try.

[Steven Crowder]

That's. That's fair. Well, you're sitting down to change my mind, so. But we'll see. Sometimes people are surprised. So today's conversation. Yep. Wholesale. I support deporting all illegal aliens in this country, certainly in 2025. I think it's imperative for a multitude of reasons. And if you disagree, you're more than welcome to change my mind. Savannah.

[Savannah]

Okay, well, how do you feel about the ways that current deportations are being handled across the country?

[Steven Crowder]

Supportive.

[Savannah]

You support, like the racial profiling and possibly the arrest of U.S. citizens.

[Steven Crowder]

So I don't know of a single U.S. citizen who's been deprived. Deported.

[Savannah]

No, I didn't say deported. I said being detained because citizenship is being questioned.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, let me ask you this. If someone matches the profile, for example, of a hit and run, and you're detained and questioned and they find out it's not you, is that a violation of your rights?

[Savannah]

No, but the. The deportations that are happening across the country are going a little more deeper than that, unfortunately. That seemed to be a very surface level example.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure, I understand why you would say that. And if that was the only way we're deporting people, sure, I don't have a problem with it, but it's not. So let me ask you, are you against all of the methods of deporting people right now? Like, how do you think we should do it.

[Savannah]

Well, that's actually the question I have for you, considering that you're hosting this event. How do you think that deportations across the country should be handled? Because when I think of deportations, I'm thinking of the mass roundups that have been happening and then the detainment. I forget what it's called. Alligator Alcatraz or something that was in Florida.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, Alligator Alcatraz.

[Savannah]

Yeah. So that's what I think. So I was just wondering how you think that the deportation should be handled.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, Alligator Alcatraz was for some of the worst offenders, violent offenders. Let me ask you this before we get to that. Do you believe that we should deport illegal aliens?

[Savannah]

I think it's a very situational occurrence.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Savannah]

I. I find myself disagreeing with the mass deportations that are happening, which is why I wanted to come here today and ask you what your definition of illegal is and who fits that criteria.

[Steven Crowder]

Someone who's come to this country illegally. Anyone.

[Savannah]

So anyone who doesn't have paperwork.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Anyone who is in this country illegally, who committed the. The crime, the misdemeanor of coming to this country illegally or visa overstays, which make up a percentage. That. Yeah, I think it's pretty clear. I don't think that that's one of those scenarios where it's great, you're either a legal citizen or you're not. So I support deporting all illegal aliens at this point. Which ones would you support deporting, I guess would be my question to you. And then how should we do that?

[Savannah]

Well, the question really comes back to how we're. How we go about deporting, necessarily.

[Steven Crowder]

So.

[Savannah]

Okay, I think, because, I mean, ultimately there has to be a solution. There's a solution for everything, especially in politics and things like that. Sometimes I would like to say. So I would like to say that there would ultimately be a solution here.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. So. But do you mean a solution that you're okay with, or do you mean it? Because sometimes a solution is not a pretty one.

[Savannah]

Well, I was raised by Southern people, so we think that. What's it called, you know, that you've come to a good conclusion. Inclusion. When both parties feel like they're being screwed over.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Compromises when no one's happy. Something like that. That's how we say it in the Northeast, but same thing. Yeah.

[Savannah]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

You're much more polite in the South. I was raised by French Canadians. Horrible, horrible people, but same same sentiment.

[Savannah]

So it's interesting that you say that you were raised by French Canadians. And I mean, does that also. It's interesting to think that you're raised by French Canadians.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Yet you still support all dependent deporting, all illegal.

[Steven Crowder]

Why is that interesting?

[Savannah]

Because you would think that if you're being raised by someone who isn't from this country, maybe you would have a more open mindset.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, I think I have a very open mindset. I was born in Detroit. My dad's American. My mom is French Canadian. She now lives in the States. She's very proud, has gone through the process, loves America, speaks the language, pays taxes, contributes. My woman is Latina.

[Savannah]

Your woman?

[Steven Crowder]

My woman, My lady, my Mrs.

[Savannah]

Belongs to you.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, she likes it. I don't know if you know Latina women. They love a little bit of possessiveness, but I say it as a term of endearment. She went through the naturalization process. I fell in love with her. When I saw a picture of her with her, she was actually going through the process of picturing for the Statue of Liberty and a MAGA flag that she had. And both of them actually are far more aggressive than I am in deporting illegal aliens because they appreciate the citizenship. They appreciate being a part of this great country. So I don't really think that that's inconsistent. As a matter of fact, I think it's the rule, not the exception. But going back to the question, why, or, sorry, who would you deport then? Who would you deem acceptable? What's your term as far as, I guess, if you disagree with the legal definition of an illegal alien, and then how would we. How would we do it?

[Savannah]

Unfortunately, you've just asked me, like, three questions. Which one would you like?

[Steven Crowder]

Who should be deported and how should we do it?

[Savannah]

I guess I've never considered who I would deport if I was king of the world. Which one of which. Which people would I get rid of first? I guess I. Well, I mean, if we go way back in history, because obviously, if we don't study history, then we're doomed to repeat it.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure.

[Savannah]

If we're talking about the colonial era and how, you know, Christopher Columbus sailed the Ocean Blue in 1492 and all of those things, my question would be, who can be illegal on stolen land?

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, okay, so you're saying that no one is here legally?

[Savannah]

Well, no, I'm not saying that no one's here legally. I'm saying how can people be illegal on land that didn't belong to them in the first place?

[Steven Crowder]

So who does the land belong to? And I still do want to get to the point here where you said there's a solution to everything. To do that you do have to live in the real world, obviously. And right now it's 2025 and you have a disagreement with deportation. You said, well I don't think we can do it. I don't remember your words. Wholesales. We need to determine who. So I think it's a fair question to say who should be deported and how would you do it? The solution isn't going to be this is all stolen land and give it back. I don't know if you've been to a Native American reservation lately. I don't think anyone would like that and I don't think that's what they're asking for either. But who would you deport and how would you do it? And then we can see where we differ.

[Savannah]

Unfortunately, I don't think that anyone should be deported unless maybe someone's being extradited back to a country of origin. So saying if someone has committed a crime, and maybe the UK or something, maybe they, the people who robbed, what's it called, the Louvre and they stole all the crowns.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I know. I still can't believe that that happened. You're like, how do you not catch these people?

[Savannah]

It was like an oceans, it really was. But I would say, unfortunately, I don't think that anyone deserves to be reported unless they're being extradited back to their country of origin because they are committing crimes in their country of origin and they are escaping because they don't want to face imprisonment.

[Steven Crowder]

What if they're committing crimes here?

[Savannah]

I think that the term that comes to mind is that America is a country, a third world country with a Gucci belt. So if we have enough funding to say maybe deport all of these illegal people, then why don't we have enough money to fix our justice system?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And this is one of the things where people just move the goalposts or present a red herring. I want to do, I do want to stay on topic. I think we need to fix the justice system as well. But going to this, you see there's a solution for everything. Illegal aliens not only commit crimes and that's why I brought it up at a much higher rate than native born citizens. They also cost a taxpayer 150 to 450 billion dollars a year is a serious problem. And obviously you know about our debt, our deficits. So how do we deal with this problem? Or it sounds to me like you're saying you wouldn't even deport people who've come here illegally, that's a crime. And are committing extra crimes while here. You wouldn't deport those people?

[Savannah]

No, I don't think I would, actually. I think that the prison system here in America is well equipped to maybe handle the reformation of those citizens. But I think that when your only option is to escape a country, when you're seeking political asylum, it's not necessarily the easiest thing in the entire world to obtain citizenship before you go to the country that you want to be in.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, but why are they entitled to go to any country they want? Why should America? Well, all countries, I don't know if you're aware. Like, they all have borders and they all have laws. And becoming a citizen. Mexico is far. Actually, we have one of the most lenient policies out there. In Mexico, you can't even own waterfront property.

[Savannah]

Yeah, in Mexico, that. You can't own guns either. And that's why the cartel has a lot of control.

[Steven Crowder]

That's a good point. It's true. You disarm the citizens, you. You end up emboldening the worst of society. And a lot of those people, I'm sure you know this, are invigorated and emboldened. Emboldened by the human trafficking that goes on. Even people coming here seeking a better life, they have to go through coyotes, and a lot of them don't make it here. There are more slaves on earth if we go that route of open borders. There are more slaves on Earth now than ever in human history. Did you know that?

[Savannah]

Yes, I did.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And a big part of them are sex slaves. And they thrive under open borders policies. Sorry.

[Joshua]

The sun.

[Savannah]

It's the sun reflecting off of that car. Sorry. It just, like, got me.

[Steven Crowder]

Which. Damn, Carmine's cocky. I saw BE over there. I don't know who's driving it, but it's okay. So, yeah, I don't. It would be incumbent upon you because it's not just. It's not as though there's no net loss. If it's 150 to 450 billion dollars here to the American taxpayer. Make the case to the struggling American right now, who's paying taxes out the wazoo, that someone who comes here, pays no taxes, shares nothing in common with the culture, language commits crimes. According to your definition, you should still be allowed to stay and be supported by their tax dollars. Make that case. Because that actually is. If we're going to come up with a solution, you need to make that case. Those are the people who are voting.

[Savannah]

It's very interesting. That you've mentioned multiple times about speaking the language. It's almost as if you demean people for not being fluent in English. I'm curious to see if. Are you fluent in the language that your lady spoke?

[Steven Crowder]

So I speak French. She speaks Portuguese, Spanish and English. But she hates it when people are here in this country and don't speak English. And my mom is French and she hates it when people don't speak English because my mom came here. Well, it's a. It's an irrelevant question. So let's have you answer one question. Just one.

[Savannah]

I have.

[Steven Crowder]

I have said you wouldn't deport criminals. So let me ask you this. Why should the American taxpayer keep footing the bill for current criminals who are also illegal aliens? That's. Those are the people who are affected.

[Savannah]

Well, it's almost as if that you're insinuating that illegal system citizens do not pay taxes at all because you can receive employment here in the United States. There's a little checkbox that you have to put on job applications.

[Steven Crowder]

I didn't say that. But go ahead with this trip. I never said that none of them pay taxes.

[Savannah]

Well, it's. It's interesting the way that you phrase it because it's almost insinuating that illegal citizens don't pay taxes.

[Steven Crowder]

I would say it's interesting the way you interpret it because what I said is they cost the American taxpayer 150 to 450 billion. Now, I could tell you, provide you the reference if you want to take these with you. So you don't have to take my word for it that there's about a 17. That's including the 17% offset of taxes that are paid from illegal aliens. So even including that number, it's 150 to 450 billion dollars. Whether they all pay taxes or very few of them pay taxes is irrelevant. It's a net cost. There'd be no way of tracking it.

[Savannah]

It's irrelevant.

[Steven Crowder]

150 to 450 billion. Why should Americans pay for.

[Savannah]

I. I'm finding that your argument is very circular. So realistically, I'm realizing that there is no way to change your mind unless you are willing to break the cycle. That is your circular argument.

[Steven Crowder]

Right? So what would break that is about the language that I speak privately with my woman in my house.

[Savannah]

Well, I mean, you referenced earlier that I was moving the goal post. I was. Whatever. I'm a social work major here at the University of Oakland, Oklahoma. I'm trying to. I'm sorry.

[Steven Crowder]

I said. Fantastic. Good. Thank you for the work.

[Savannah]

I am just trying to understand where your opinion comes from. Because that's what we do. Social science is understanding how you can. Sorry.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, it's okay.

[Savannah]

Okay. Social science is understanding.

[Steven Crowder]

You can bat it around like a cat toy, just don't take it with you.

[Savannah]

Yeah, it's very tempting. I should have you sign it on the side, but I apologize, I got derailed there for a second. But social science is based on understanding where your opinion comes from.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure.

[Savannah]

And it takes a certain amount of intelligence to understand why you believe what you believe.

[Steven Crowder]

So why do you think you don't understand it?

[Savannah]

Because your argument is very circular.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, explain to me how it's circular.

[Savannah]

Because it seems as if you're not willing to. When I said that, it's almost as if that you were insinuating that no one who is an illegal citizen is paying taxes.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

You immediately brought up statistics saying, well, there is the 17.

[Steven Crowder]

No, I said because you were mischaracterizing what I said. I never said that. So if you're a social worker, shouldn't you also. Let's say someone comes in and needs help, if they say, hey, I have a problem because I don't know I'm being recruited for this gang and I'm in a neighborhood and if I don't it's going to be dangerous to me. And you go, okay, but what I'm hearing you saying is your entire neighborhood is nothing but a gang. And he goes, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I said the net cost to taxpayers is 150 to $450 billion a year. You said, well, you're insinuating or demeaning people for nothing. None of them paying. That's not what I said. And then I gave you a follow up stat to ensure it wasn't circular logic. I'm aware of the 17% offset. So it costs the American taxpayer a lot of money. Not to mention sanctuary cities and crimes which disproportionately affects.

[Savannah]

I know I interrupted you there. Been interrupting me this whole time, so that's unfortunate, but in the south we are very polite. What I was going to ask. Oh, I forgot actually.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, let me. How is that circuit? I corrected what was a straw man. It's a logical fallacy. A straw man. You built up an argument that I didn't make. And when I said, well, that's not the argument I made, you said it was circular logic. I said, no, no, I'm just clarifying. That's not what I said.

[Savannah]

It's interesting.

[Steven Crowder]

Is that fair?

[Savannah]

I don't know, but it's.

[Steven Crowder]

Is it fair to argue against the point or to present a case against the point that I actually made, rather than one you've prepared to make a case against?

[Savannah]

Because I never said that, Unfortunately, I think I am done.

[Steven Crowder]

I think so.

[Savannah]

It is very hard to have a productive conversation with you.

[Steven Crowder]

I can imagine.

[Savannah]

You continue to interrupt me and speak over me and then say that, well, I'm moving the goalpost, and then given no time to maybe have a rebuttal to that.

[Steven Crowder]

Take all the time you want to.

[Savannah]

No, I'm saying I came here with the intention of actually having a productive conversation.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure.

[Savannah]

I just wanted to know who you were and what you thought, because that's what we do in social work.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

We want to understand who you are as a person and what you think about the topic that is most concerning to you.

[Steven Crowder]

So then shouldn't you listen when I say what I think of the topic as opposed to making up something I didn't. Hold on, and then I'll give you the floor. Hold on, and then I'll give you the floor. I know you constantly, but we can set a timer and see who's interrupting who. Shouldn't you address the point? If you ask me my opinion and I express it and not misrepresent it.

[Savannah]

It'S just very interesting that whenever I get going on a particular topic, you continue to dominate the conversation. I understand that this is your show and there are cameras who are here for you. I get that. But I wanted to have a productive conversation, and it seems like that you're not actually here for that.

[Steven Crowder]

May I speak?

[Savannah]

No. Thank you. So.

[Steven Crowder]

So you've not addressed a single point.

[Savannah]

I appreciate you.

[Steven Crowder]

A single point that I've asked. Not one.

[Savannah]

I wanted to understand who you are as a person.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. Well, this will help you understand.

[Savannah]

No, no, you. Not whatever you believe about this, because that's what we do in social work.

[Steven Crowder]

I still don't know what it is that you do. Tell me what it is that you.

[Savannah]

Do in social work.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Savannah]

So we social work, by definition, we try to work with the person and understand where they are coming from, how they have formed that opinion, and then how we can either agree, disagree, reach commonality. So that's why I was asking you questions about your wife and why you called her your lady and how that was a little possessive, and that's why I got a little offended because you were interrupting me before I could finish articulating my thought process. I was trying to understand who you are and where you're coming from this. With. From where you're coming from with this argument. That way we could have a productive conversation. But when you continue to throw stats and you have a very circular argument, it's very hard to understand who you are as a person and achieve a productive conversation. I can have a conversation with you, but I don't have to agree with you, of course, but it seems very disrespectful when you continue dominating the conversation and I don't get a chance to do what I came here to do.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, may I present a suggestion? When you say listening to people and finding out where they're coming from, perhaps when you ask questions, listening to the answers and taking an interest in the reasoning, the rationale, the logic behind it, and not. Not misrepresenting what they say, that would help. That would serve you better as a social worker. Because I don't think you'd listen. Well, what I mean is, if you ask me my opinion and then I answer and you go, that's interesting. That sounds possessive. Or that sounds, I think that to.

[Savannah]

The ordinary person, identifying your lady as my lady would sound possessive. But maybe that's a cultural norm that I'm not accustomed to.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure, I'm sure you're not. But is that relevant to the point and the answer? Because you interrupted. You interrupted to say that offends me rather than listening. So do you not listen to of people who come in and seek your social work the same way?

[Savannah]

I promise I do, just not here. I came here to have a productive conversation and usually when I encounter someone in my field, they are also looking to have a productive conversation. But the way that you throw in the little tidbits that are demeaning, the way you have very circular argument, you throw stats. That's what makes me a little apprehensive to continue speaking with you.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm just trying to understand is the tidbit that was demeaning the phrase my lady.

[Savannah]

No, it's the little side comments that you sneak in when you're having conversations like this. You're very sassy.

[Steven Crowder]

And I said, my lady, you said that offense. That was offensive. What else?

[Savannah]

Well, when I said that maybe that's a cultural norm that I'm not accustomed to, you said, well, I wouldn't expect you to. And then when we were talking about border countries having borders, I said that, yes, I understand that countries have borders. And you said, well, I hope you would.

[Steven Crowder]

No, that's actually not what I Said we can rewind it. Well, all countries, I don't know if you're aware. Like they all have borders and they all have laws and becoming a citizen. Mexico is far, far. Actually. We have one of the most lenient policies out there. Well, I think maybe you're interpreting. Unfortunately, I think you paraphrase a lot.

[Savannah]

Interesting. Why do you think, though?

[Steven Crowder]

Because you've done it a lot.

[Savannah]

Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Do you not care to elaborate further? It seems like you enjoy hearing yourself talk.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, see, this is what you do. You say you enjoy. Would you like me to speak or will you then accuse me of dominating the conversation? I think you paraphrase a lot and I think you straw man a lot. And I don't think you've answered a single question. I don't think you presented. I don't think you've presented your opinion on the issue at hand. I think you've presented a lot of offenses based on some things that I've said and some things that I haven't. I think you've paraphrased yourself into convincing yourself, Samantha, that you have a valid position. I don't think you do.

[Savannah]

So I'm saying that I don't think that anyone should be deported. And you say that I haven't answered any questions you asked me.

[Steven Crowder]

That is one. That is one. And I appreciate you answering that.

[Savannah]

Would you like to re. Ask the other two and then maybe I can provide further clarity?

[Steven Crowder]

Well, because what you.

[Savannah]

Actually, I think I am done. I tried to leave earlier. I do appreciate talking with you.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you.

[Savannah]

I just wish that we could have had a productive conversation.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I do as well.

[Savannah]

I hope that you have a wonderful day.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you. You too, Savannah. Appreciate it.

[Savannah]

No, thank you.

[Steven Crowder]

No, thank you. Listening help, Savannah.

[Savannah]

I did.

[Steven Crowder]

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[Andy]

I'm interested to see why you think it's important, like economically.

[Steven Crowder]

So a few different reasons. The primary one is that illegal aliens cost a taxpayer in this country anywhere from 150 billion on the low end to $450 billion a year. Taxpayers, let's split it and call it 350 billion or so. That's a lot. And there's no reason for it because it's something that could be prevented.

[Andy]

How so? Are you like, insinuating that they don't, like, pay taxes and that's why they're costing the taxpayer money?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, most don't. So if you look at the contribution, the offset of the 150 to 450 billion, it includes the 17% or so offset of the those who pay taxes. 17% not who pay taxes, but that's about the offsetting costs. So they cost far, far more than they actually benefit.

[Andy]

So I, I've got like, most like immigrants that come here illegally, right?

[Steven Crowder]

They come here in search of, say, legally or illegally.

[Andy]

Illegally.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Andy]

Like they come here in Search of better opportunities. Right. Like, if you're coming here for, like, employment, then shouldn't they be forced to pay taxes by, like, the U.S. like Revenue Service or something?

[Steven Crowder]

You would think so, because you and I would. Yeah. Let me ask you, why do you think that many of them don't.

[Andy]

I honestly don't have an answer to that because I'm just assuming, like, yeah, if they, if they're doing work, then I'm assuming that the IRS is just going to catch them. Like. Yeah, I don't think the IRS is letting anyone go without, like, paying, like, income taxes.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, sure, plenty.

[Andy]

Oh, really?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, plenty. And not only plenty, but let's assume that they were on the books and not being paid cash. Right. Let's assume that they could be tracked because they have a Social Security number. And I think you're, you're basing these presumptions on a lot of respectfully talking points the left pushes up, hoping that you believe it. Most of them come here and pay taxes. That's actually just not true. But even if you were to take that into account, the amount of services and social benefits that they were receive far exceed the portion of them who pay income taxes. But they can work off the books. They're incentivized to. The employers are incentivized to, and the entire Democratic Party has incentivized them to do so because, hey, it's pretty beneficial to have basically third world labor at third world wages. Yeah.

[Andy]

So with regards to that, like, how is there, like, negative, like your opinion of their negative contribution on, like, the American economy?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Andy]

Like, it's gonna cost, well, the taxpayer. It's going to cost billions and billions of dollars to deport them. What's the difference?

[Steven Crowder]

So, no, to give you an idea, deporting. So the average cost to deport an illegal alien right now is. Estimate about $17,000. So if we deported, let's just say the 20 million who came in under Biden, give or take. Right. No one knows the official number of how many are in the country. I've seen as low as 35. I've seen as high as 50 million. I assume it's somewhere around 30, 40 million. If we deported 20 million illegal aliens, that would cost us about 340 to 360 million. Sorry, billion dollars. So we'd actually save money before the end of the year, let's call it one and a half years. If we're using that low end estimate, they cost 150 to 450 billion dollars a year and deporting 20 million right now would cost about 350 million. So it would be, it would be net savings. Does that make sense?

[Andy]

Yeah, it makes sense. I just have a question. So with your like, your estimates on like what illegal immigrants cost, like the American taxpayer.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Andy]

Do you have like a site, like a citation for that? Like, do you have it?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. All right. Here on the QR code, everything. Some of it comes from Cato, some of it comes from the Bureau of Labor. There's probably about 40 or so sources there and I don't think a single one of them is right leaning. Yeah. So yeah, the left doesn't really even argue that anymore. They just say, well, it's the right thing to do, is to give everyone an amnesty or path to citizenship. If they give you an idea, I don't know if you saw this in Texas. They just checked to see how many illegal aliens use the emergency room, emergency room services in one month. The one month they tracked it, it was $120 million at one hospital. I don't know if you know this, but illegal aliens, they'll come in, they'll use the emergency room as primary care and never pay the bill. 120 million at one hospital in one month. Yeah, I know that. That honestly blew my mind and also blew my mind that no one even thought to track it. So the more we track it, the more we actually kind of dig into the numbers, the worse it is. There's no net economic benefit. And let me ask you this because I know you're talking about the economy and people looking for a better life. Let's assume that that's true. It's not true of all illegal aliens, by the way. And that's why we have the crime problems that we have in a lot of these cities, namely sanctuary cities. But don't you think that it's imperative that the United States government looks out for people who are already here first if they're looking for work? So seven million, seven and a half million Americans are looking for work. Work. Why do we need to import people to do those jobs cheaper than Americans? And if you look at, under the Biden administration, foreign born workers jobs, and they say job increases, there's about 3 million new jobs for people who weren't from the United States. Americans lost about one and a half million jobs if they were born here the first few months of Donald Trump's presidency. Now it's about 1 1/2 million native born working jobs gained and 1 million foreign born working jobs lost. That shows a difference in approach, it shows a difference in priorities. I think our priority should be to Americans living here first who are looking for jobs. When you import people to do them, you just rob Americans of the opportunity. Those jobs and the numbers show that they'll do them.

[Andy]

Yeah, I agree with that point, like, somewhat. But if, like, illegal immigrants are coming here, like, I would say, say a majority of them are coming here looking for work. I would say a majority of them are coming here looking to, like, cause happiness.

[Steven Crowder]

I, I didn't say that. I just said not all of them are.

[Andy]

Yeah, like, if a majority of people are coming here looking for work, shouldn't, like, America with its capitalist, like, ideology, shouldn't, like, more talented, like, migrant workers get the roles compared to like, someone who's like, less talented but just born here natively?

[Steven Crowder]

Can you explain to me how a migrant is going to be more talented as a truck driver? How a migrant is going to be more talented at a meatpacking plant?

[Andy]

What if they have more experience from the country they came from and then they went here because, like, economically they could get paid more for some other.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, so it'd be pretty hard to argue that case because people go through training to do these jobs and some of them are unskilled jobs. So we've heard for a long time. Who's going to pick a strawberry, right? Who's going to till the fields? Well, Americans did it. Who's going to mow your lawns? All Americans did it. And now the argument has shifted to, well, really highly skilled labor. For example, H1BS and Indians coming in here, coming to this country, working in tech, and they'll do it for 30%, 40% less than the American wage, but they're not any better. So if Americans aren't good enough for low skilled labor, they're not good enough for high skilled labor. Sounds to me like people are saying Americans aren't good enough for any labor. And you have plenty of Americans who are ready, willing and able to do those jobs. They just can't do them because they're competing against third world labor costs. I don't think that there aren't enough skilled Americans to do these jobs. Someone wants to argue picking strawberries, fine. I still disagree. But let's assume that you can't then extend that to also retail, also truck driving, also trade jobs, also highly skilled tech jobs. At what point do you say, hey, Americans matter too. They should be able to get jobs. Is that fair?

[Andy]

Yeah, I think that's pretty fair.

[Steven Crowder]

And let me ask you this. Why do you think it's incumbent upon the United States to accept anyone who wants to come here? Well, like, do you have a general problem with the idea of borders and ensuring the well being of our people here first?

[Andy]

Well, I, I don't have a general problem with like borders itself. It's obviously it's like important to keep like national security. And a lot of people like actually apply for visas and then like I have relatives that are applying for visas and they're waiting like decades to get here. So I think borders are important. But I also think that America has a like long reputation of being a land of opportunity and a multi pot of cultures. So I feel like if an illegal immigrant comes here searching for asylum, searching for work, searching for more opportunity, America has a duty to like let them in and do.

[Steven Crowder]

When you say asylum, can you define for me asylum? Because that's a really, that's an actual term. It's a, it's not a broad term. There's a legal definition to asylum. It's not someone seeking a better wage. It's someone fleeing a persecutive government. That's not most. These people, they're fleeing countries that suck economically, culturally. I would argue to come here and take advantage of a better country, but they're not benefiting the country. Don't we have the right? Just like Mexico does? You know, Mexico has far harsher immigration policy. Where is your family from, by the way?

[Andy]

My family's from Vietnam.

[Steven Crowder]

From Vietnam? Yeah. They have far more strict immigration policy in Vietnam. All across Asia, by the way. Super strict in South Korea and Japan seems to only be a problem. The United States has it and we're not really a melting pot in that term of just a bunch of different cultures. Americans are. Just to give you a perspective, first off, your parents are probably waiting for a very long time because our immigration system is broken largely because of the mass illegal immigration. But Americans are footing the bill. They're paying to be made to feel like strangers in their own hometown. The United States has a national language. Thank God we have one now. We didn't before. The United States has a culture and is it okay? This is one thing too. For a long time, Americans were accused of being racist. If Americans expect people who come here to wave the flag, speak the language and become American.

[Andy]

Let's go, Aaron.

[Steven Crowder]

Let's go, Eric. Not only create these ghettos, and I don't mean ghetto in the way that people use it today, but ghettos where you have people who come from these countries and they create neighborhoods where they don't integrate, they don't associate, and it's not America. And Americans also want to have a clearly defined culture and preserve that because they want to keep the country they grew up in. Is that okay?

[Andy]

Yeah, I believe that's okay. But like you, I, I would argue that American culture is like ever changing. Like, it's not like our culture, like 200 years ago is the same as our culture today. Especially with, like, I grew up with public schools.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. So I'm sorry. Me too. Yeah.

[Andy]

Well, like, I think that the influx of immigrants, like, throughout time and right now where certain, like, ethnic groups are actually going to like, be a majority of the American population, I feel like just blending all those, like, cultures together and like having like, public firms, like schools like that, that's beneficial and that changes. Like how American culture.

[Steven Crowder]

How is it beneficial because you say it's ever changing? Well, you can say that technologically, right. For any culture. By the way, sorry, I got a mosquito on my ankle driving me nuts. That's every culture, if you're talking about like technology, stuff like that. But let me ask you this. What part of American culture is not ever changing or shouldn't be ever changing? What should be the constant. What is America culture? Because that's the conversation we're having right now. And you say, you know those demographics going to change. And that is true. You have the Democratic Party putting Americans out of work, discouraging, for example, birth rates under this climate, alarmism and importing in record numbers third world labor, where, yeah, America would look like these other countries. What is by your estimation or what should not be ever changing to preserve American culture?

[Andy]

Well, what I think American culture is, I feel patriotism is a big part of it. And also just like the, like self working man, right? Like you're pulling yourself up by the bootstrap.

[Steven Crowder]

Self determination.

[Andy]

I feel like those are like the biggest factors.

[Steven Crowder]

But patriotism means, right, Patronage, right to something. So patriotism to what? To America. Would we also include Christian Christendom? Christian Christianity is the basis of this country. Fundamental Western values.

[Andy]

Yeah, I like, America was founded on the basis of Christianity, but I feel like that isn't one of my biggest.

[Steven Crowder]

No, I'm just saying. But that's a part of American culture. Just like in a lot of Asian cultures. You know, you could obviously have Buddhism, Taoism, I don't know what, what is the, the primary religion in Vietnam? I know for a period of time, obviously. Oh, you can just put that in your pocket if you want. So you and I Appreciate you asking for the citations. By the way, what is it in Vietnam?

[Andy]

Vietnam? Like my, my family is Buddhist, but I'm pretty sure it's like, it's either Buddhism or capitalism.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. Yeah. There's obviously a strong, strong current of atheism when you're talking about communism that rose in Vietnam. So, so that's a part of it. What about a shared language?

[Andy]

A shared language?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Shared language in the United States.

[Andy]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Let me ask you this. How does someone coming from, let's say Mexico or Honduras, how does someone come in here? Let's just take Mexico as an example. Someone who comes to this country who takes a job that an American is willing to do for a lower wage because they don't pay taxes, who doesn't speak English, waves the Mexican flag. How does that benefit the United States in any way?

[Andy]

Well, like culturally. Culturally, yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Somebody doesn't speak the language, doesn't share our values.

[Andy]

I think the court's like assumption here is that that is their like constant personality.

[Steven Crowder]

I would argue it's too much. I'm saying it's too much. And that's, that's a big reason that Americans, you know, voted for Donald Trump. Trump. Not only economically, but, but culturally. People want a country and a culture. They, they want it preserved and they have the right to preserve it. Yeah.

[Andy]

I would argue though, like immigrants like that, I, I don't think they're just trying to represent their home country like forever. I think they're also trying to blend into the American culture we have now. I don't think it's fair to assume that like for example, Mexican immigrant. But I only speak Spanish forever and not try to learn English or American.

[Steven Crowder]

I didn't, I didn't assume that all Mexican immigrants speak Spanish forever. But I will tell you, having to press 1 for English in an English country is a problem. Being Vietnam wouldn't accommodate another culture before their own and wouldn't accommodate the best interests of foreign nations before their own, would they? They absolutely would not. They have a much stronger nationalist spent than the United States. Yeah. To problem. If it's so prevalent and so common that signs have to be in Spanish, that customer service has to be in Spanish where you can't communicate with your neighbor. It's enough of a problem. And the idea of a test, a language test has been rejected wholesale by the Democratic Party. Right. So it's accommodated by design. That is a problem. And it's not a small percentage. You have people who are here for decades who, who cost the taxpayer billions of Dollars. Never learned the language, never assimilate. Here's the big difference, right? You talk about being, I hear this a lot, a nation of immigrants. And that's probably, let's. You're probably thinking like in your mind, like Ellis island, you know, probably early 1900s, right? So let's kind of look through. That's column A and column B is the immigration we're looking at today, right? To use a melting pot analogy, someone from Italy, someone from Ireland, someone from Poland, Germany, take your pick, right? Who is coming here then? You know, you've heard the old stories. Nothing but a nickel in my pocket, right? Got off the boat. They were coming here at great risk to themselves, not safety or comfort. There was no welfare state. It was, you come here and like you said, self determination, you are free, but don't expect us to coddle you. Some of them actually left the security and comforts of their previous countries in order to seek out freedom put at risk to themselves. And they came here and they learned the language. Let's be honest. Someone from Ireland and someone from England and someone from Italy who were living in a borough of New York back then, who spoke the same language. It's not like they were from different planets. They had a relatively similar shared heritage, culture, values, religion, language. That is not the same as people coming here. When there is a giant modern welfare state that incentivizes immigration at a cost to the taxpayer, not at risk to themselves, at cost to the taxpayer. And they don't learn the language and they don't share the same values. It's like we're from different planets. Is that, Is it fair to say there's a. There's a marked difference between that.

[Andy]

I could see that.

[Steven Crowder]

Differences, yeah. And so how about this? Not that I think this will ever happen, but here's my middle ground. I say deport everyone, by the way, who's here illegally. Make them go through the process like your parents are. Do you think first would you think that's disagreeable? Make them, give them the opportunity to come through legally. But if they're here illegally, you got to go back, come back through just like your family. Sorry, Applying for visas. Let's assume you disagree with that. How about this? Okay? If we catch you and you're here illegally, all right, you can stay if you pay all your back taxes. How long have you been here? How long have you been working? You pay all of it plus 5% interest because Americans will be penalized if they didn't pay their taxes. You pass a language, you have to do it immediately. If not, you're gone. You have to pass a language test, civics test, just like you do to become a citizen here. I know it because my missus had to go through a naturalization test. She's. She's Brazilian. And then you also have to provide proof of contribution to your community, bettering your community, as well as, by the way, a remittance tax where you can't come here and send your money back to another country. No other country allows that. So if you come here, you don't speak the language and you haven't paid taxes and you're sending your money to another country, you're gone. If you already know English, you're ready to pay your back taxes. Because if you were here wanting to be right, a part of America, you'd be saving your taxes just like I do, quarterly. You could pass the language test easily because you're happy to be in the United States and you'll keep your money here in our economy as opposed to sending it back and just do a soup kitchen charity. You do that, we'll give you a pass to going through, through the process. Would that be fair? Anyone who doesn't meet that criteria, gone. Is that a fair compromise?

[Andy]

I feel like that's a pretty fair compromise, except for the fact that it's immediate.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. Like, but someone here who wants to be American, they obviously should know the language and they should be ready to pay their taxes.

[Andy]

They want to be American. Like, even if they want to be American, learning a second language is objectively very hard.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, most countries don't even let you in to work there unless you already know the language. Peru. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Even in provinces and can in French. Canada, if you, if you don't show the capability, you're not going to be getting into work. You're not going to be eligible for a lot of socias. Like, they're, they're sort of socialized. Healthcare. Yeah. We're one of the only, you know, who has an official language of the country being English. You know who has that? India. Every other country, almost every country had an official language except for us. By the time you get here, if you want to be American. Right. It's a golden ticket, like you said. Right. It's a great country. That's why they're coming here. Show the respect of learning the language and paying your taxes.

[Andy]

Is that fair? Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. I think that's a fair conference. Well, it'll never happen, though, because the entire Democrat party says that that's Racist. So just keep that in mind and check the citations. But I appreciate the conversation, Andy. Yeah, Andy. And I hope. Hope it goes well for your parents too, brother.

[Andy]

Hopefully it's not my parents.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm sorry.

[Joshua]

Sorry.

[Steven Crowder]

Your family. Your family. Yeah. Yeah.

[Andy]

All right, well, thank you for speaking.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you very much, brother. I appreciate it. Be well, really appreciated being able to cover the broader topic of what it means to be an American with Andy. Really nice kid. Show him you love him in the comments and show some love in the comments, period. Across the board. It helps with the YouTube algorithm that no one fully understands. And hit the like button, share, because that lets the YouTube overlords know that we're not dead and there are people out there who actually want this kind of content as opposed to clickbait crap. I'll tell you what's not crap or who's not crap is our next guest. Nice to meet you.

[Joshua]

I'm Joshua.

[Steven Crowder]

Joshua. Grab a seat, Joshua. Thank you. All right. And I hate to ask you to scooch in because it's just the way the cameras work.

[Joshua]

No worries. No worries.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, that works. Yeah. And, yeah, my position today, now we can still rationalize our positions on controversial topics. I think certainly in 2025, where we are now, it's a hot button issue that we should be deporting all illegal aliens in this country. If you disagree with me, you're more than welcome to change my mind, Joshua. Certainly.

[Joshua]

I. I'd also like to. I think I followed you since I think you went to TCU. You blew up on Twitter like, 10 years ago, so.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Joshua]

It's cool to see you there. But, yeah, I do heavily disagree with Support all legals.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Joshua]

Just because, I mean, realistically speaking, how can you actually tell. Do that all illegals? I mean, is that really possible?

[Steven Crowder]

Well, can we end all murder?

[Joshua]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

Can we end all theft?

[Joshua]

Absolutely not.

[Steven Crowder]

Tax evasion?

[Joshua]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

It doesn't mean that. It's not a matter of policy.

[Joshua]

Of course.

[Steven Crowder]

So I'm saying that the ideal as a matter of policy should be people who are here illegally. Certainly at this juncture, the policy is deport people illegally who are here illegally. Sorry. Not illegally deport them. And have them come through the same pathways that people who migrate here legally.

[Joshua]

Would you say that, like, current illegals in today's day, I mean, do you think they don't try to do it the legal way? You know what I'm saying?

[Steven Crowder]

Like, I don't care. You don't care. Okay. I really don't. Some do, some don't. What I care about is there's, there are more slaves on earth than ever in recorded history, including sex slaves. 300,000 minors went missing under Biden. I care that they cost the American taxpayer 150 to 450 billion dollars a year. I care that there are particularly Hispanic immigrants here in this country who live in sanctuary cities under the rule of cartels and they can't report anything to the authorities because they're basically held hostage for ransom. I just think it's, I'm sure there are some. But it enables a system that's a real failure and we need to change.

[Joshua]

Right. So Dylan, on your point about slaves and you know, in particular Hispanic immigrants, you know, they're the ones who don't think they might come over here to kind of escape that form of slavery.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, if they are, they're doing a really bad job because we've created a modern day class of slavery where people who, and their employers who should be punished, who are all too happy to hire people off the books, they're enabled by policy from the Democrat party and there are people who are happy to work off the books. So that's why they'll work for lower wages and they're effectively modern indentured servants. So I don't think it's good for them either.

[Joshua]

It may not. But I think I'm gonna kind of put the point of view is this way.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure.

[Joshua]

You take me for example, my parents came from Mexico. And I just think it's. When you say something illegally deport all illegals, then I think you kind of rob sort of children as myself, like myself, and from an opportunity like this, you know, coming to a great university and I'm privileged in that sense, you know, sure, I have the opportunity to come here. I'm proud to be here right now, you know, it means the world to me. So I think that kind of deprives these immigrant children from that.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. You know, why is it, you know, why is it the American citizens job to provide that you say deprived, that means someone else is providing it. What about the people here who are deprived of it, who are struggling as well? Why is it incumbent upon the American working, taxpaying class to provide opportunity to everyone?

[Joshua]

I suppose it isn't, but that's with that same point of view, wouldn't you say that deporting illegals, that also takes away from taxpaying dollars.

[Steven Crowder]

No. How.

[Joshua]

I'm not so sure.

[Steven Crowder]

You mean how much it costs. Right, right, yeah, no, I understand that point. But for example, if we just deported, let's say, 20 million illegal aliens. It costs on average about $17,000, give or take. These are all estimates, right? Of course. So you'd be at around $350 million. You'd be saving money by the end of the year. Yeah, let's say, let's call it two years because it costs 150 billion. And if you watched the older installments, for example, like at tcu, I did a Build the Wall change my mind, which back then was also racist, but has now been incredibly effective because now people say, well, we support strong border policy but not deportation. But back then, there was no support for strong border border policy. Back then, the number was 116 billion a year. The lowest you'll find is 150 to 450 billion. If we deported 20 million illegals, called $350 billion. So that would be a net savings. And not to mention, in addition to that, job loss. I mean, here's one thing to say deprive and just to be clear. Of course my heart goes out to people who are seeking a better life. I understand that. I think it's a hard case to make for the, the people who've opened the borders where they say all cultures are equal. But it's so cruel to send these people back to their equal culture that we have to allow them to stay here. Of course, I understand. My heart goes out. My heart also goes out to the seven and a half million Americans looking for jobs who are ready, able and willing to do them. Those jobs are being imported for lower wages, and I don't think that's good for the culture in this country either. I think there are exceptions, but that's not what's happening in this country. Certainly.

[Joshua]

I kind of actually admire that you said that because I was going to make the point that, you know, when people. I wanted to originally bring up the point that, you know, illegals, when we come over here, we're taking all these, you know, the jobs no one else wants. But I honestly see, see, like illegals as more than that. You know, obviously some people, you know, we come over here, we, we're illegal. That we become. Now, that's kind of what happens in some cases. Of course.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure.

[Joshua]

And I think a lot of us, like, for example, I'm Hispanic and I'm in business, you know, I'm proud to be moving into a sector, you know, making a name for ourselves.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Joshua]

So I think we're more than just like blue collar jobs and June jobs.

[Steven Crowder]

That no one else wants. I didn't say just blue collar jobs.

[Joshua]

Yeah, yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Because I appreciate it. Well, because that's also from picture. You're one of the seven and a half million Americans, right?

[Joshua]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

And so people often go who pick your strawberries? People who are here. Hispanic people aren't the only people who pick strawberries. And Hispanic people aren't. You know who mowed lawns in Canada? I did snow blowing, which sucks way more. Shoveling walkways. I'd much rather mow lawns. I did those jobs. Plenty of Americans did their jobs. But they were the argument used to be who's going to do these low skill jobs. Now the argument if you look at H1BS is well, there aren't enough skilled Americans to do tech jobs and engineering jobs. So the average American tech worker, for example in Palo Alto might cost about 120,000. Let's do it for 70,000 if someone skims off the top. And now we have illegal aliens, for example, taking truck driving jobs. That's a middle skilled job that pays well and an American would take to support his family. And we're told that no, Americans won't do those jobs. So I think we agree. This idea that Americans won't do them, it's just not true. And it's not that immigrants will only do one form of job. I just think the priority needs to be to people who are here are struggling because we're a country and we need to place our countrymen and women first.

[Joshua]

Right. I think, you know, America right now is kind of at a point in time where it's relatively unsafe. But I think both you and I agree we want to save America.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Joshua]

And we want to prioritize that even if it is towards American citizens first. You know, that's fine. I get that. Like I am an American citizen myself, you know, and it, I'm actually senior graduate in this May, so I'm going to be entering the job market and I'm going to be in that relative same position.

[Steven Crowder]

So. And what are you studying?

[Joshua]

Finance.

[Steven Crowder]

Finance. Okay. So what do you plan on doing in finance?

[Joshua]

As of right now, I plan on going into commercial real estate or wealth management.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. That's two very different areas.

[Joshua]

Yeah, I know.

[Steven Crowder]

Because commercial real estate, like every lady named Becky is in commercial real estate these days. But then obviously in wealth management, that requires a little more specialty certainly.

[Joshua]

So I, I say that because commercial real estate I really enjoy speaking and honestly like I enjoy great debate as well.

[Steven Crowder]

So that's okay.

[Joshua]

Awesome.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Joshua]

But aside from that, I, I have Like a relative interest in commercial real estate, but wealth management, it's like, if you look at the industry right now, it's like a lot of these older dudes are kind of like retiring from it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Joshua]

And I think commercial real estate, it's like a lot of older dudes are holding on to their, you know, money.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, let me ask you this. So let's take that scenario. And I'm not super familiar with it, but I assume you're telling me you're accurate. Those people are retiring. Yes. What would you think about people being brought in to do Those jobs on H1BS at 30% lower wages than you would need to live, quite frankly?

[Joshua]

Probably pissed me off.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Because that's happening across this country, right?

[Joshua]

Yes, sir.

[Steven Crowder]

Do you think that that is compassionate or right? Or do you think that obviously looking out for the interests of you who's gone through the. Gone through this the right way and gone to school and studied, that you should be given priority as far as your best interest? Just someone could just say, ah, you know what? Yeah, great, we would hire you, but this person named Prandeep from India is going to do it for $40,000 less.

[Joshua]

Yeah, I mean, that's. It's a difficult question to answer. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put a scenario. For example, when I was waiting in line to speak with you, I was at the very back, and then I just kind of was given priority.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, because many people come up and they agree and I was told. I was like, is there anyone who disagrees? And they said, well, this person's parents are. So he might disagree. So I don't know. But I mean, Lane is Aryan, so maybe it was tokenism on his part, but a lot of people agree. So we will try and give right away to people who disagree.

[Joshua]

Okay. Okay. Well, see, well, that's a perfect example because I was automatically given priority just because I disagreed. You know, and that's. That's kind of playing into this scenario where it's like, like, should I. Should these people be given priority or should I be given priority?

[Steven Crowder]

Really?

[Joshua]

The people who are given. Who are willing to do the job cheaper, should that be given priority or should me, the American citizen, be given priority?

[Steven Crowder]

You know, it's.

[Joshua]

It's a difficult question.

[Steven Crowder]

It's not difficult. If. Do you want to have a United States?

[Joshua]

I do. Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, well, then you've answered the question, so. Right.

[Joshua]

Yes, sir.

[Steven Crowder]

Do you want. Do you want it to be India?

[Joshua]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

Do you want it to be. Even though I Know, do you want the United States to be Mexico? No, I know your parents don't. That's why they came.

[Joshua]

Right.

[Steven Crowder]

So it's a pretty clear answer.

[Joshua]

Of course.

[Steven Crowder]

Look out for America's interests. And. And isn't it great that a very white person and a brown person can agree on that?

[Joshua]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Because the media says that view is racist. America versus racist. Well, that means all people who are here. But I don't want this country to be India. Yeah. I want this country to be Mexico. I think we're a better country and I think it's better for. By the way, I think that India and Mexico would do better to emulate America as opposed to what they're doing.

[Joshua]

Right. Certainly. I mean, Yeah, I never. I know. I hate that people try to make it like white versus brown, because I'm not even seeing it like that, you know.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Joshua]

And I think a lot of people do tend to see things that way. It's white, white versus black, white versus brown. But it's like, no, it's. We can have a civil conversation like we are right now.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Joshua]

Without having to bring up all the, all this other extra bs.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I will, I will say it is relevant in this sense, and I think it's fair for people to say it's relevant if someone comes here from what is effectively a third world country compared to the United States. I would classify most of Mexico that way. Not everyone, but people live in abject poverty that Americans can imagine. And same thing in India, of course, one of the poorest countries on earth. I think if they come here and they don't share fundamental values and they don't share a common language and they send their money back to the other country, I think that's relevant and I think Americans are tired of it. And I think that Americans, yeah, they want to preserve a culture, but they, they do take race into account when they go, oh, hold on a second. We're noticing the pattern of people coming here, taking advantage of our services, our good braces, and using our empathy against us. I kind of want to have neighbors that speak my language and share my culture. Right. I mean, it doesn't have to be like Japan where it's such a high trust society because everyone looks the same. They got 3% immigrants like, like, have to go, like, right away they started deporting them. But I think it's relevant. I really do.

[Joshua]

Okay, well, in that case, I mean, wouldn't you say, like, you should. I guess, like, I really do appreciate that. But at the same Time I'm like, America, we kind of used to like embrace into my. And I'm not saying we still do, but a little less to a degree. We used to admire being such a boiling pot and now it kind of seems like we are straying away from that. Of course, with you want to have a neighboring street at the same time.

[Steven Crowder]

Culture.

[Joshua]

Yeah, it is frustrating when you go to the gas station and you can't understand the whoever you're speaking with. You know, I 100% and it shouldn't.

[Steven Crowder]

Be allowed, in my opinion. It shouldn't be allowed.

[Joshua]

What's not, what should not be people.

[Steven Crowder]

Being people coming here and not learning a language. And I don't think that people should be allowed to come here and send all their money back to the country they fled. When people say asylum, I go, well, then why are you sending 60, 70% of your money back? You know who doesn't do that? Cuban American, Americans. You know who doesn't do that? Russian Americans who fled the ussr. They don't want to send money there. So I don't think it's a legitimate claim. If someone is coming here from Mexico, working a seasonal job and sending their money back to Mexico, that benefits Americans zero. And it is a net harm, not only economically, but culturally. I've seen public opinion shift because I think Americans were very open minded, but they're going, you know what? This, this doesn't feel like the country. What is America? I'm patriotic. But what does that mean? Patriotic to what? To not a shared language? To people who wave the flag of a foreign nation on our national holidays? I think that's relevant, right?

[Joshua]

Well, if I'm not mistaken, learning English is not a requirement. Although it probably should be.

[Steven Crowder]

I think it should be.

[Joshua]

It probably should be. You know, but as of right now, that's not the America we live in.

[Steven Crowder]

I know it is in Mexico.

[Joshua]

I mean, not English, but Spanish.

[Steven Crowder]

You're not allowed to own waterfront property. Even if you're a legal immigrant in Mexico. You're not allowed to protest. There are additional taxes. We have a very lenient immigration policy. So in a place like Mexico would not afford me as a legal immigrant the same rights as someone there. And we're saying, yeah, you know what, we'll just, I guess we'll give you a pass, an amnesty. It's foolish. And if your family loves America, and that's, I think, what this broader conversation is. If we want America to be a country, we think it's a great country. Well, what makes it great and that doesn't mean melanin in the skin, but it does mean shared values. And we haven't been requiring that of, of immigrants legal and illegal in this country. And I propose that we, we shift direction right now. We need it. We need to share more common ground.

[Joshua]

So in that case, which I mostly agree with, how do you. What is a realistic solution to that?

[Steven Crowder]

So I think we need to have what. Well, we have Donald Trump was, you know, signed into, through executive order, an official language, which means we've caught up to India. They have English as an official language there, an official language. I think that at this point, we actually should be quite selective in the immigrants legal who are allowed here. They should be judged on the criteria of is this a net benefit to the country? Not, hey, do we have to do the nice thing and allow everyone here. I think that's how our immigration policy should exist. I think that states can have reforms than they have, for example, requiring customer service. Being in English, I think a culture of these expectations is reasonable and people who come here legally, like, for example, my mom is French Canadian. My dad is a man. I was born in Detroit. She learned English, didn't speak a word of it. She learned English. She loves America. She's gone through the process. Now imagine her, she's French, right? She learned English and she comes here and she can't share a common language because that person only speaks Spanish or only speaks whatever it is, Farsi, whatever it is. She's furious. My funny. My lady and a feminist got mad that I said, my lady. She's like, that's possessive. My lady is Latina, she's Brazilian, but was raised by a Cuban American mom. So she speaks Portuguese, Spanish and English. And she went through the process and she's furious when she has someone who won't speak English. She's like, I did it. So I don't think it's a lot to ask. I think our approach needs to be not only an official language, but also an expectation of all Americans. We're going to have another topic, snap. I think we should do away with snap. I think if you are not a contributing member of society, you shouldn't be given the same level of credence as those who are working and struggling in society and building. There's. Let me put this way, it's the difference between building a country and taking from a country. We talk about immigrants in the early early 20th century. That's often people think Ellis island, right? Just an example. Italians, Germans, Irish, they weren't from Mars and Venus. They came here, they learned English. Right. Nothing. Nothing but a nickel in my pocket. They built the Empire State Building and paid taxes and we're happy to do it. The people coming here now who work off the books don't speak the language and can't even communicate with their neighbors. We have to get back to that. This is a golden ticket and it should be valued. And I, I think it's been taken advantage of. Yeah.

[Joshua]

I mean, it is. It. I do think living in America is, It's, in my opinion, it is a privilege. Like I'm happy I'm here and that, you know, I don't have to look over my shoulder.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Joshua]

Wondering, you know, where my next meal is going to come or wondering who's trying to hunt me down. I'm not going up against the cartel here.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Joshua]

You know, like, I don't have to worry about it to that extent.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Joshua]

But I do think it's kind of.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, no, no problem.

[Joshua]

I do think it's like you get all these, like, I, I agree with a lot of your statements, but I don't know where, I don't know how we do that. Like, realistically, is it from deporting all eagles?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And here's why. And that's the policy. So for example, right now, people see them, they go, oh, ice. But I said, well, I've said to people, and I think since we agree, I can just present it to you very, very transparently. Right now, you're here illegally. You can self deport the CBP1 app. They'll pay for your flight. They'll give you a thousand dollars cash to go back to your country of origin, come back through the right way. If you don't, they're going to deport you. I think that's very fair. And I think the process should include, like I said, for legal immigration, language. It already includes civics, but not language. My mom, when she went through the process for give an idea, she was going through a naturalization process. Someone was there and had to have an interpreter. Does that seem right to you?

[Joshua]

I mean, I'm not going to answer that. Yes. I mean, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It does not seem right.

[Steven Crowder]

Cuz she's French. She learned the language. She learned the language and she put on her Sunday best. Right. She was proud to do it. And there was someone there who looked like they couldn't care less and couldn't speak the language. And you're going to have a more divided America until we acknowledge that these Grievances are real and people want to preserve something special. But yeah, I think we've been doing it the other way. Granting amnesty. Right. Being very lenient. Open borders and all of this was opposed. Now we have 99% reduction, 99.9, I think, percent reduction in interactions at the border. So it can be done. We were told it couldn't be done. A lot of people have self control deported because the message has been sent loud and clear. I think the messaging as far as the culture, what the expectations are and reflected through policy is a good start. And I just don't see anything wrong with someone who's here illegally, who, if they go back to their country of origin, all cultures are equal and come back to the process that everyone else has to go through. I think it's. People might say that's not compassion. I just don't agree.

[Joshua]

That's far. Yeah, I guess the last point here for me.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joshua]

Do you see anything wrong, which it seems like you do. For example, you take let's say a father of two kids. It really doesn't matter. Let's say an illegal immigrant's been here.

[Steven Crowder]

For 20 years, for example, been paying.

[Joshua]

Taxes during those 20 years and knows, knows the language, but just as undocumented. Do you think there's an issue with like.

[Steven Crowder]

No. And here's the thing, because I know that people then, you know, invariably go to what about the kids? Where it's not. And it's true, my heart does go out to those kids. They didn't commit any misdeed. Their parents did. Their parents absolutely did. And this went back to the conversation, right? Well, Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens. Disaster. Because now that number is up by 450%. Didn't work. It only encouraged more. And so you do have to look at a certain point, right? What about this individual? You go, okay, let's look at the totality. Are we enabled? Are we enabling the human trafficking trade? Yes. Are we enabling coyotes? Yes. Are we enabling the cartel? Yes. Are we enabling the erosion of our culture through this policy? Because the debate was, what about anchor bait? What about dreamers? People said, okay. Then the left said, you're not allowed to deport violent felons in our current prisons. So their approach has been an absolute approach and I think it's been irreparably harmful. So yeah, now mine is pretty absolutist.

[Joshua]

It's.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, look, they committed a misdeed. The parents. The good news is you can go through the process and come here legally. I'm not Saying it's going to be ideal for everyone, but it's going to be applicable and appropriate, I would say, for the overwhelming majority and better for the country and better for these other countries. By the way, it's not good for people in Mexico to have these. I mean, it enables all kinds of horrible things to have open borders policy, of course.

[Joshua]

And I do a, like, I don't want anyone to think that, you know, a lot of Mexicans, for example, which I'm going back to that because that's obviously what my background is. But I don't want people to look at Mexicans and see us as like felons or any of these bad, negative things. No, I, I definitely don't. I definitely would agree with having like set illegals that are felons being deported, you know.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I don't think that.

[Joshua]

I don't, I don't want us to have that sort of image, you know.

[Steven Crowder]

I will tell you this though. No, I absolutely don't. And I don't think most people do. If I have an interaction with a Mexican American immigrant and they don't speak the language, I immediately think of them as less American. That's my opinion. And so does, so does my Latina lady. She'll hear Mexican ladies talking shit on her because she kind of looks white. She's Portuguese, you know, Brazilian Portuguese. So she looks more white. And they will think she doesn't speak and they'll just talk all kinds of crap on her. And she's she one times like you. I would never say that about them, but she goes, but if I hear someone not speaking the language that I had to learn, why are we, why are we citizens of the same country? Why am I expected to. So I will say it's not brown, it's. Oh, this person has made no effort to respect what makes this country great. Is that fair? Do you think that's racist? If it's language and culture based, perfectly fair.

[Joshua]

And I really appreciate you saying less American as opposed to less states united.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, no, of course they're not. Less human. Really appreciate, no, we're all human beings created in the eyes of God. Yeah, but less American.

[Joshua]

I appreciate that.

[Steven Crowder]

I see someone who, and I certainly see someone waving the Mexican flag as less American than the person waving the American flag. And I want my neighbors, by the way, I have Hispanic neighbors who wave the American flag. I mean, you go to Little Havana in Miami, those Cuban Americans are hardcore. You see American flags everywhere. I think of them as American as can be. But if someone is waving a foreign nation's flag. I'm not saying they should be jailed like they would in other countries, like they would in almost all other countries, but I do view them as less American.

[Joshua]

That's fine. And, I mean, I guess our freedoms that were given here do allow us to do such things, but. Yeah, I'm not saying I partake in that.

[Steven Crowder]

No.

[Joshua]

No in particular.

[Steven Crowder]

And I get it if you have both and you want to celebrate your heritage. To give an idea, I go to good example. Armenians. I've been going to an Armenian Orthodox church. Doesn't mean I've converted, but I just. I like the. The priest there. Very, very nice man. So these people, right? It's one of the oldest languages in existence, and you want to talk persecution. The Armenians, everyone's trying to wipe them off. Face the map, right? They faced a real genocide, and they deliver the service in both Armenian and English, and it takes twice as long even though they're here. And it's for the Armenian community. They're very grateful to be American and very welcoming, and that's a perfect example of preserving their culture, respecting their heritage, but acknowledging this is the country that gave us the opportunity to escape that. It's not like we don't have examples. We have plenty. And I think it's by design where people flagrantly disrespected it. Not everyone, but a lot of people do. Yeah.

[Joshua]

I think that's fair. And, I mean, at least we can both agree that we want a safe America.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And I hope you do well. And I hope you don't get undercut by an H1B.even.even people on the right, Elon Musk like their policies. And I completely disagree with. Like, no, no, we don't need to uncap H1BS, because then it just ends up whoever's cheapest, and. And you can't have a country that's fair.

[Joshua]

Thank you for your time, Mr. Crowder.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you, brother. I appreciate it. Yes, sir.

[Joshua]

Do you mind if I grab a hook?

[Steven Crowder]

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, sure. No problem. Oh, now we. We're at that golden hour where it's nothing but glare on our eyes. Oh, my goodness.

[Joshua]

I gotta turn in my brand.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Be well.

[Joshua]

Enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you.

[Steven Crowder]

You too.

[Joshua]

I appreciate it.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, there you have it. Maybe. Hopefully, some minds were changed or at the very least, people left with some new ideas to consider. Insiders. Although I'm not sure how much considering Savannah is going to do going forward. But how about you? Anything new your mind changed at all. Any new ideas, let me know. And don't forget to join me next Monday, November 17, for part two, where we dive into Snap EBT. And while there really is some great conversation, it also absolutely goes off the rails, including an appearance by this. Whatever. All right. Do you mind if I ask you to scooch in for the camera? I know it's going to be hard to navigate with a mascot head. Is this your furry name or your. Your biological name? America first love the flow.