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- [00:01]
Steven Crowder
I am biased. I'm going to say that on the outset. A lot of news that's taken place in the last 48 hours and a lot of questions regarding Elon Musk. Obviously the bill, but largely Elon Musk and some of the behavior that we've seen, we usually don't broadcast wide today. It's usually just for Mug Club Rumble Premium members. But today we will be leading this off for everyone. So please do give it any support that you can. I will say this. It's not every day that you pick a fight with the wealthiest man in the history of humankind ever. Arguably the most powerful. But I think it's the right thing to do. And I've implied several times on this program that there's an inside lane. There's some information behind the scenes that I know that I can't share with you. And the reason for that is that it's not mine to share. But we may have a whistleblower on next week. He's still nervous. There are several people, but they're nervous. They're scared. A lot of people are because of the leviathan that they would be facing in Elon Musk. So if you would like that person to come forward, that person needs to know that outside of hero worship, there are enough people out there objectively who would like to hear some truth that can be spoken no other way. So please comment below. I actually think that would go a long way otherwise. There's information that I can't share. It's not mine to share. As it relates to Elon Musk, I think you'll see a lot of flip flopping with people. I think that you are going to see a spiral and then attempting to ingratiate and a spiral. I don't know how it ends up. But I do think it's important to note that there have not been many people out there warning against this. I know Steve Bannon has. I can't think of any other that come to mind. If I'm forgetting anyone, forgive me, but I do know that we have and don't take my word for it. Now we're going to cover this today in depth. But take my words, over the course of a decade, you know what, I don't know. How do you feel about Elon Musk? I think he's a dick. There are some disagreements there behind the scenes quite a bit where I think that maybe they're going, okay, these people need to have their authority in their departments. And maybe Elon is floundering a little bit. And his focus seems to be right now on pushing some of this AI legislation. Let's go to bad Elon Musk. And there's good and bad. Listen, is that a wild boar? Sounds like. Yeah, I guess. Is that the World of Warcraft? Anyway, now, the reason why is because, of course, the Paris Accord is horrible for the United States of America. Right? You just look at the regulations and what it would cost. It would cost American jobs thousands. Right. We could see a $2.5 trillion loss in GDP by 2035. 87% of American energy comes from coal, oil, natural gas. Right. The boogeyman, as is known in the, in the Paris Climate Accord. Also, by the way, the reason that Elon Musk left the Trump administration last time, because he was adamant about us signing onto it. I'm apprehensive. I'm always apprehensive. Why the transition is a why. What's your flash of genius moment? He had a pretty good explanation for his Elon Musk when he talked about his son on Jordan Peterson show, but he still makes some pretty questionable decisions. I don't know. I mean, they've already engaged in some censorship on Twitter. That was given Apple's apples comparison where Rumble said, no, we will not do that. Twitter said, yes.
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Gerald Morgan
That's like what Justin Trudeau.
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Steven Crowder
Let me tell you this. If I, if I spoke out the way that I am right now and all of you mug Club Rumble Premium, if instead you were subscribing, you were ex Premium members, our entire livelihood here would have been shut off, gone. And you know what? And I would welcome Elon Musk to come on the show and have a very, a very subdued, a very, very rational dialogue about this where we can air our disagreements and hopefully come to some common ground with the American. I hope that he walks it back.
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Gerald Morgan
They've been around.
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Steven Crowder
Here's one thing about Elon Musk that worries me. Remember, he was on some Trump advice, guys, you can tell some advisory committees and like dropped out in 2017. Remember that? He pulled out. He was, I can't remember what it was, but he was upset with Donald Trump about something, maybe the CEO board.
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Gerald Morgan
Or something like that.
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Steven Crowder
Something like that. And there was something that he did that offended Donald Trump enough where he, I don't know if it was something. There was a tiff deplatforming. So. And now he's back in. And an important contrast too, here, by the way, and this is not me patting myself on the back, but Chris and the people at Rumble. There's A reason that we signed a contract with Rumble. There's a reason that we teamed up with Rumble. X Elon Musk, doing a lot of great work. Certainly Doge. Huge, huge fan of it. But X did back down. They did kneel before Brazil and demands. And they did censor content creators after saying they wouldn't. They said they wouldn't.
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Gerald Morgan
Fighting for a little bit. Then they did Rumble. Never did.
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Steven Crowder
Yeah.
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Gerald Morgan
In the entire.
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Steven Crowder
And X did it quietly.
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Gerald Morgan
Yes.
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Steven Crowder
They went out and said, we will. If this is a free speech platform. All right, let's ban them. Let's get rid of them. I am not saying that we need to shut ourselves off from the world. That is not the debate over H1B visas. Now, this came from Laura Loomer. Elon Musk could have said nothing, but he decided this was a worthy cause for him to speak out. That's again, what is concerning to me. He said, the reason I'm in America, along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong, is because of H1B. Don't agree. Then he said, take a big step back and F yourself in the face. I will go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend the issue. Lifting the cap on H1BS. Then what I would say resembles a leftist tactic. Not saying he is. Maybe he doesn't know, but the rhetoric sounds the same. He said, the contemptible fools I'm referring to are those in the Republican Party who are hateful, unrepentant racists. They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed. And he was talking about, of course, people who were critical of H1BS, largely those coming from India, because it's a huge majority of H1Bs. And this is where I've said before the new phrase for the year, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with it if you say it's racist for me to say there's nothing from India that I want to import unless there are people who cannot be found in the United States. Such brilliant innovators, engineers, CEOs, people breaking ground. Okay, fine. That's not how the system is being used. Outside of that, there's nothing I want. How can you overlook Elon's actual history of subsidized failing companies with tax dollars? And now he wants to tell government to be more efficient with spending. You know what? That's a good point. That's a very good point.
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Gerald Morgan
Failing companies.
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Steven Crowder
Tesla wouldn't be Tesla without subsidies and without tax credit.
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Gerald Morgan
I understand that, but he made it work.
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Steven Crowder
Well, he did make it work, but he could.
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Gerald Morgan
He soldier didn't.
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Steven Crowder
It was predicated on subsidies. Right. So maybe he did. But the point is to then say, is it the government's job to be providing subsidies now? I think there's difference between. Between a tax break and subsidies, and electric vehicles have received both. I bet you his mind changed when he realized the government was picking winners and losers.
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Gerald Morgan
We just talked about this yesterday. He was just in China when all the daily wire stuff was going on, visiting his factories and talking about expanding growth in China. And he also had. I can't remember the name of the city, but he also, you know, where they keep the Uyghur camps. He has a Tesla showroom there. So at the very least, have your factories and everything, but don't put a showroom right next to Auschwitz. The line that we were talking about.
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Steven Crowder
Yesterday here is the new Tesla truck and a little Uyghurs. Get it off me. Get it off me. Get it off me. Okay. Of course. Bulletproof said. Oh, they're proof. This is from the New York Times where they said that Pentagon is including Musk in discussions about potential war with China, which is a problem, by the way. One of my primary, I should say, concerns with Elon Musk is he's very, very friendly with China.
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Gerald Morgan
Yes.
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Steven Crowder
I'm not thrilled about that. So this would be an issue. I appreciate that he acknowledged that. We've always had those concerns with Elon Musk and his ties with China. He's been very, very China friendly.
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah.
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Steven Crowder
Makes me a little bit nervous because you need to understand there are many, many people. Your tech overlords, you're sort of oligarchs, including, by the way.
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Josh Firestein
Yeah.
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Steven Crowder
In some capacities. Elon Musk, who want to mass import Third World labor from India to price you out of a job. And they do so under the guise that it's a more developed nation than it is. I think I'm in the minority here. It's like. It's like I don't. It's like people saying the Godfather is the best film ever. I think Chinatown was a better movie that year. I think the Godfather's fine. It's like Carol Burnett. I don't find Carol Burnett funny. I'm in this small minority. I don't like Elon Musk for today. We're in it now.
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Gerald Morgan
There's X account nuked.
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Steven Crowder
There is no. Well, come on. What does it mean? I mean, I think the most I've made is like 40, $42 in a month.
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Gerald Morgan
Every $42 counts.
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Steven Crowder
But none of us are. We're no Ashley Sinclair.
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Dana Bash
The views and comments do not reflect the views and comments of Josh Firestein. Or not Josh Firestein.
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Steven Crowder
Right. Interfered with my Ashley Sinclair face. All right.
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Dana Bash
Oh, sorry. Let me say it again.
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Steven Crowder
I was channeling one more time.
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Gerald Morgan
Is that when she became irrelevant or is that.
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Dana Bash
That's when she came rich?
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Steven Crowder
Became irrelevant? Yes.
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Gerald Morgan
Oh, yeah. Sorry, sorry.
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Steven Crowder
Who'd have thought that just one makes you wealthier than you ever could have been without.
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Dana Bash
She gave a few, I think.
- [09:41]
Steven Crowder
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still the same show. And welcome today is usually a love letter to Rumble Premium mug club where we take chats or sometimes we do what we miss. It's a grab bag. But we are going wide today because slow news day.
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Dana Bash
Yeah.
- [10:01]
Steven Crowder
Let'S get right into it. Captain Morgan, CEO, thank you for being here.
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah.
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Steven Crowder
Hope you've been storing up winter. Oh, yes, he's the one in charge of the coffers over here. And then Thursday, July 10, at Governor's Comedy Club in Long Island, New York. Oh, I used to go there. That's a fun place, Josh. My first time Firestein. Jfierstein.com for all of his dates and especially, hey, guys, this summer go and see live comedy. Show them that you love them because bookers out there right now, clubs are looking to see proof of product with the audience of, well, America loving, maybe bible believing conservatives out there who watch the show. So show Josh some love. How are you, sir?
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Dana Bash
Good, good. You know, I actually hear liberal comics friends of mine posting about how ticket sales are down.
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Steven Crowder
Right.
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Dana Bash
And they're not for everyone.
- [10:47]
Steven Crowder
Not for everyone. Just for the people are coming out.
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Dana Bash
They're like, oh, comedy clubs are letting. Yeah, conservative ideas come through. Oh, that's great.
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Steven Crowder
It's like maybe people are just tired of alt comics who are always conflicted on mescaline, seeking out 17 year old girls while bitching about rape culture. But that's just an opinion.
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Dana Bash
My cat's non binary trans neurodiver.
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Steven Crowder
Neurosurgeon. All right, catism, here's why we're here today. Like I said, there may be a whistleblower next week. I don't know, it's not my whistle to blow, but there's a lot behind this. So we're just going to present really the news that has taken place over the last couple of days. And I know you have some questions about the big beautiful bill first. Well, no, you have those questions, but first, I think what is most important, especially since you have the world's wealthiest man sort of alluding to the fact that your president may be a pedophile.
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Gerald Morgan
Right.
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Steven Crowder
Which of course is I would be willing to bet my life is untrue. Let's get to Elon Musk and how this has all been handled and who is lining up on which sides of this issue and maybe why. So President Trump, we covered this live on mobile. Premium finally responded yesterday to Elon Musk before a lot of the other news broke.
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Josh Firestein
And you know, Elon's upset because we took the EV mandate and you know, which was a lot of money for electric vehicles and you know, they're having a hard time, the electric vehicles, and they want us to pay billions of dollars in subsidy. And you know, I, Elon knew this from the beginning. He knew it for a long time ago. That's been in there. That's been, I would say, J.D. that hasn't changed. That's been right from the beginning. Mr. I think, Mr. Secretary, that hasn't changed at all right from the beginning. But I know that disturbed him. He wanted and rightfully, you know, he recommended somebody from that he, I guess knew very well, I'm sure he respected him. But to run NASA, and I didn't think it was appropriate and he happened to be a Democrat, like totally Democrat. And I say, you know, look, we won. We get certain privileges and one of the privileges we don't have to appoint a Democrat. NASA is very important. We have great people. General Kaine is going to be picking somebody with our we'll be checking them out and seeing. But he wanted that person, a certain person, and we said no. And, you know, I can understand why he's upset. Remember, he was here for a long time. You saw a man who was very happy when he stood behind the Oval desk. And even with the black eye, I said, you want a little makeup, we'll get you a little makeup. But he said, no, I don't who gave it to him, which is interesting and very nice. He wants to be who he is. So you could make that statement too, I guess. Look, Elon and I had a great relationship.
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Steven Crowder
Had, so what proceeded after that would be seen as, I would say contextually now, a meltdown of epic proportions. And what I mean by that is since the meltdown, what you experienced yesterday with Elon Musk, he's then tried to play it off as though it's a joke. You don't get to unring the bell of the implication that someone is a child sex offender, in my opinion. And so in my opinion, the talking heads who go, hey, cut it out, you two. That's the equivalent to a teacher saying that to you and a bully who's been beating your ass. Right. The zero tolerance policy. Hey, cut it. You're like, well, hold on a second. I'm defending myself. There isn't an equivocation even. Even if you and I would argue incorrectly think that the 1.7 trillion in cuts in this big bill are not enough, does that excuse implying that someone is a pedophile if it's not true, which I don't believe it is. So Elon Musk is now trying to walk it back. And I'll get to the quotes from him regarding Epstein and all this saying it's a joke, trying to play it off. I shouldn't say, saying playing it off as though this was all meant in good fun. Doesn't seem like President Trump. And I think because there's more to this than what you've seen, doesn't seem like President Trump is very interested in letting bygones be bygones on this one. Joining us now, someone who just got off the phone with the President.
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Dana Bash
CNN chief political correspondent Dana Bash joins.
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Steven Crowder
Us now by phone. Dana, what did he tell you? Good morning, John. Well, he said that he's, quote. Well, here's exactly what he said. Quote, I'm not even thinking about Elon. He's got a problem. The poor guy's got a problem. He said he won't be speaking to him for a while, but he said he wishes Elon Musk well. Yeah. And I understand that. Look, it is important. Part of our job with having a platform is. Yeah. To be honest with you, to be authentic. Right. Our job is to entertain you and hopefully inform you. We make all of our references available. We don't always do our job fantastically. And that's why we have an admonish button in this case. Don't you think it's important to acknowledge that there are certain lines regardless of fiscal policy? Aren't there certain lines that you don't cross with someone who you claim is a friend? I'm asking you this. Would you still be friends? Would you want to be friends with someone who implied that you were a child rapist? Is that one just joshing you? How about if they told the whole.
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Dana Bash
World, especially somebody who's been in that position, that might people think know something we don't.
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Steven Crowder
Right, Right. And it's all opaque and it's all veiled, genuine question comment below. And is that indicative of someone's character? Part of our job is to make sure that wolves don't get through the gates. That's why I've been sounding the alarm for a very long time. I've only done so with what should be publicly available information because it wouldn't be right for me to reveal private information that exists too. So we have the receipts for what you can and should know. And I'll admit you kind of have to take my word for it. We'll get into that more next week. And I get that it's painful because a lot of people wanted to see this heal. People wanted to see this relationship continue. We thought that this, or I should say a lot of people were implying that this was going to be the future of maga, of the conservative movement. And I also understand why Elon would be upset at this point. He overplayed his hand. He crossed some lines. And 60 Minutes, by the way, caught up with Elon Musk early this morning where you can see how upset he is. In this exclusive interview, Donald Trump and.
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Dana Bash
Mike Johnson said that you're just flat out wrong about the big beautiful bill. And I wonder what you think about that.
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Steven Crowder
Yeah. You know, those guys are heroes of mine. So it's really tough.
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Dana Bash
They asked you to save the government some money, didn't they?
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Steven Crowder
Yes.
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Dana Bash
And to see them passing this reconciliation bill and not taking your advice.
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Gerald Morgan
Difficult.
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Dana Bash
Did you think your ex post would produce a positive outcome?
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Steven Crowder
Certainly hoping they would.
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Dana Bash
So what can be done to fix your relationship now?
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Steven Crowder
No, I wish they would come and visit.
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Dana Bash
Do you wish you could take back all the things you said yesterday?
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Steven Crowder
Yes. I appreciate the sincerity there.
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Gerald Morgan
I do too.
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Dana Bash
Yeah. He's really been touched.
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Steven Crowder
Yeah. But here's what he would have to take back. For those of you who haven't been following, I would ARGUS is crossing the Rubicon.
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah.
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Steven Crowder
When he posted Time to drop the really big bomb. That real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason why they have not been made public. Have a nice day, djt. He went on to say, mark this post for the future. The truth will come out. Okay. It's also a smart play. It's a smart play because you have to understand that Elon Musk and Doge have had access to government files, confidential information that no one else really would. Right. Which is also why it's a worry considering that Tesla is the only company that's been permitted to set up shop in China the way that it Has. He's got information here on this government that no one else has. And I'm sure China would like to have that information. It comes down to how loyal do you believe Elon Musk is? How. How earnest do you believe he is? Do you believe that he did this for the good of the country, supporting Donald Trump only after the assassination attempt, after trying to push Ron DeSantis? Or do you believe that, like, he tweeted out, posted, hey, you wouldn't have won without me. It's because he wants someone to owe him a favor and then look at his. His business practices. Here's why these allegations make no sense. But I also understand some people will believe them if for a national security reason, that Elon Musk would know the Epstein files can't be released. And you know that I absolutely believe they must be released. Right. So, couple of points. That would mean that Elon let his son around someone he believed was a pedophile. Okay. That's not good.
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Dana Bash
Irresponsible to say the least.
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Steven Crowder
Yeah. That would mean that the people who have this information on Donald Trump and Epstein, who have a vested interest, who have been in charge of, at least for the last four years, intelligence agencies, didn't release it at any time during the last two presidential cycles. I find it hard to imagine in a world, or any kind of a world, where Democrats would have this information and not use it.
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Gerald Morgan
Absolutely. I think that's one of the most damning pieces of this, is that, you know, that with everything they were trying to do to keep him out of office, especially this last cycle, it would have come out.
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Steven Crowder
Right.
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Dana Bash
I mean, they trumped up fraud charges in New York.
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah, yeah.
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Dana Bash
Rather than just show the real files.
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Steven Crowder
Yes.
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Dana Bash
I'm not buying it.
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Steven Crowder
Well, and here's the thing. Elon Musk would have joined this administration knowing all of this. So think about that. If he knew all of this and he had all of this, and he was still pushing for his request. Right. To be enacted. This is, by definition blackmail or extortion. That, to me, is a problem also. I will tell you this. I guarantee you Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. I guarantee you. Because he's the person who reported Epstein. And by the way, it was marked that he was the only one who complied with authorities on Epstein.
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Gerald Morgan
Sure.
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Steven Crowder
You can point to Mar? A Lago and Epstein being there. Have you guys ever been there? You know that thousands of people go, it's basically an event center. When Donald Trump realized who Epstein was, he flagged it and he helped the authorities and he's the only one that we know of who did that. Here's more proof. President Trump calling out Epstein very specifically in no uncertain terms. In 2015, you raised the question of.
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Gerald Morgan
Jeffrey Epstein in your remarks about in the Q and A.
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Josh Firestein
Well, I think he's got a problem.
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Gerald Morgan
What do you think the problem will be?
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Josh Firestein
I don't know. But. But that island was really a cesspool. There's no question about it. Just ask Prince Andrew. He'll tell you about it. The island was an absolute cesspool.
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Steven Crowder
That's 2015. Wow. For reference, nobody nationally was talking about Prince Andrew or the island at all. Just to be clear. Like, it's easy for you to misremember and go, oh, yeah, no, not, not in 2015.
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Dana Bash
When was the island made public?
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Gerald Morgan
It was much later.
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Steven Crowder
It was much later. The, the Epstein. I'm trying to think when he was finally. Would have been. Would have been 2020. Around. Yeah, 2020. Around 2021.
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Gerald Morgan
Somewhere in there.
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Steven Crowder
Yeah, somewhere there. He had issues with Florida, but it wasn't a national issue. And before people say no, President Trump only connected to one Epstein plane that went to Florida. It wasn't the Lolita Express plane. He never spent any time on the island as far as, hey, maybe that's in the file. But it would be weird considering that Bradley Edwards, who was an attorney for the Epstein victims, confirmed in 2009, like I, you told President Trump was the only, only notable figure to immediately and fully comply with subpoenas on Epstein.
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Bradley Edwards
The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who in 2009, when I served a lot of subpoenas on a lot of people or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people that I was going to, that I wanted to talk to them. He is the only person who picked up the phone and said, let's just talk. I'll give you as much time as you want. I'll tell you what you need to know. And was very helpful in the information that he gave and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information that checked out and that helped us and that we didn't have to take a deposition of him.
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Dana Bash
That was in 2009.
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Bradley Edwards
That was in 2009.
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Steven Crowder
Want to be clear? As a matter of fact, it could be argued that if not for Donald Trump, Epstein would never have been caught at all. Yeah, think about that. And so the left plays this game. Look, connection to Epstein reported him. He may never. I can't definitively say this, but there's a strong chance that Epstein may never have been caught or nothing would have stuck at all if not for Donald Trump. Guarantee you he's in the files for that reason. Is there another one? I doubt it. I doubt it.
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Gerald Morgan
I think it's the implication, too. It's not just the fact that we know that he would be in those files. It's implying that Donald Trump is not only in those files, but whatever is in it is so damning that he will not let it get out.
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Steven Crowder
Right.
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Gerald Morgan
And this is one of those things. You don't come back from a comment like that. You may walk off into the sunset and do your own thing, but you certainly never get to come back into the fold ever, ever, ever again after a comment like that. I don't care how sorry, how much ketamine, how much jolt Cola you had in your system at the time. You don't come back from that.
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Steven Crowder
Yeah, I don't know if they still make Joe, I don't think.
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Gerald Morgan
But I was trying to go for a.
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Steven Crowder
And I will say, by the way, don't do the thing where you go, well, if Donald Trump, then that must mean there's something there. Where there's smoke, there's fire. No, no, no, no. If you know that you were not a pedophile sex offender and someone told the world that you were, would you ever allow them back into the fold? People often do this, right? Like Trevor Bauer. Where there's smoke, there's fire. It's the opposite of that. That's what people are hoping you do. That's what leftists do. MeToo. That's what leftists do. Thirty times a felon, right. With Donald Trump. That's what they do. They hope that the totality of it tricks you into not doing your research. But the real important question here, this is all publicly available information. That's what we're talking about. Has Elon at least these last 48 hours? I would argue he has not in many capacities, that though I support the work Doge has done, I'd support it if anyone had done it last couple days. Has he been acting in the best interests of America, where we're at a pretty fragile time? When you look at what's happening with Russia and you understand what China wants to do, it's not a great time to fracture the winning team right now, which is you. I would make the case that he's thrown America pretty clearly under the bus. I don't know if you saw this, but in A move that I guarantee you China loved. He went after Trump's tariffs, saying that Trump's tariffs will cause a recession in the second half of this year. Even the leftist CBO said it would reduce the deficit by. I believe it was 2.2.8 trillion. I believe $2.8 trillion. We covered that yesterday. And they really, really don't want to tell you that. So Ellen's against the tariffs. Which, by the way, would that affect big plant in. I don't know, maybe big Tesla plant.
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Gerald Morgan
Oops.
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Steven Crowder
Batteries. Would that affect the only American company that's allowed to set up shop in China? Because you can't do business there unless.
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Gerald Morgan
You'Re like a joint venture thing.
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Steven Crowder
Yeah. With a. With the Communist Chinese Party. I don't know. That's not that. That's not proof that he's acting in those selfish interests, but it kind of is.
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Gerald Morgan
It's a concern we've had for a long time.
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Steven Crowder
Matter of fact, we actually have a foreign correspondent in Hong Kong who joins us now with an exclusive report. Donald Trump, don't trust Eno, you know, is asshole. He's two for two. He's everywhere. He's two for two. But, hey, people were saying Donald Trump's rhino in this bill, Right. And Elon Musk is for America. Okay, so you guys want higher taxes. That's now a conservative principle because he retweeted a post yesterday calling for the tax cuts to be removed from the bill. That, by the way, affects everybody. It's extending tax cuts that you enjoy. So is that more conservative than finding a way to continue the tax cuts while reducing spending and the deficit? And then he also agreed with Ian Miles Chong yesterday that President Trump should be impeached. Let me ask you, if you don't like the bill. You voted for Donald Trump, do you want him to be impeached? Because this is a man with the power, the means, and the motivation to attempt it. You have to ask yourself, in the real world, do you want Donald Trump to be impeached? He's an imperfect man. I do not want him to be impeached. Elon Musk does. Where do you line up? Does that make it clear?
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Gerald Morgan
By the way, this isn't like the whim of the public. You can't just be like, yeah, it's time to impeach. You actually have to have some grounds for impeachment.
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Steven Crowder
Yeah, I know. I'm asking people if that's actually what.
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Gerald Morgan
They want, because that's what they want.
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Steven Crowder
If you're supporting Elon that's what you're supporting right now?
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah.
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Steven Crowder
Impeaching Donald Trump.
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Gerald Morgan
He hasn't walked it back? No.
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Josh Firestein
How about new?
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Dana Bash
They got the will of the people, not just the will of some guy in Malaysia, right?
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Steven Crowder
Yeah. And here's the thing, Elon. People will say Donald Trump has this history. And, and you'll see the left right now, Right. I've seen a bunch of articles watch conservatives have whiplash going from hero worship to vilification. Not me. My neck feels fine. And lost a lot of potential, potential business ventures in speaking about this for a long period of time behind the scenes. And that's why a lot of people are afraid to speak out. Won't tell you because that's not my place to say, but a lot of people are out there, even some people who would tell you the opposite. Elon has a history, if you think Donald Trump does, of sort of having these divorces where he loves you until he dislikes you. Well, it's pretty clear as to why that is. And I think he can be a little bit erratic, but disloyalty if he views an action as stabbing him in the back. Elon Musk has the same history of tantrums and throwing people under the bus and destroying relationships, but it isn't tied to disloyalty. It's tied to not getting his way. I think there's an important difference. Assuming that they both do it to the same degree, which I disagree with. But let's assume that doing so because you were betrayed by a friend is different from betraying a friend because they didn't do what you told them. Let's go to H1BS. Elon threw a fit when he was challenged over his view of H1BS where he believes that they should be limitless because there aren't enough good Americans to do the skilled labor here. And when many of you said, hey, hold on a second, that's not what we voted for, he posted, the reason I'm in America, along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B. Take a big step back and fuck yourself in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. That's not a disagreement, that's this is why I gave 200 plus million dollars, as many Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis as I can possibly allow in to replace you. And fuck you if you don't think that's putting America first. Do you guys see the difference? He's also done some stories that you may not remember. The tie, the Cave diver. There was a film about this where there were these kids who were stuck in a mountain. It got flooded and I think it was around 2018. And I can't remember the name of the film, but rescuers at this point in time turned down a submarine that Musk offered to rescue these boys in Thailand. They were rescued by these divers. And after his offer was turned down, he lashed out again, calling one of the divers who saved the lives of these boys a pedo, A pedophile. A pedo guy. And I remember them saying, like, yeah, that was just. It wasn't something that we could use. He just wanted to do this to get some clout. He wanted to inject himself and get some limelight. But we had a plan, we stuck with it and it worked. There's a fascinating film on it. I can't remember what it's called. You guys can comment and let me know. So we look at this and it's important if. If both sides have valid point. Okay, got it. And we can talk about the bill. This is not about the bill. That's why I've repeated this week 180 billion for which there are only 30% right of receipts. DOGE total proposed cuts versus 1.7 trillion in cuts in this bill. You may say it's not enough, but it's more than Doge. He's not mad about that. He's now made it clear. He's mad about the taxes. He's mad about your taxes not going up. He's mad about the tariffs, he doesn't think China should have to pay them. And he justifies it by saying that Donald Trump is a pedophile. The wolf was chased out. We don't need to continue this riff. To be clear. If Elon stays out, don't let him back in. Want to make it really clear, I did not elect Elon Musk. Donald Trump did fine. He will do fine without him. This is another point too, because a lot of people don't realize there are people out there, like, for example, Chris Pavlovski of Rumble, who, by the way, was a Canadian and has always been incredibly supportive of Donald Trump, by the way, has also stood up to the governments that Elon acquiesced to. Brazil, China, uk. Rumble said no. That's why it's not available in countries where in some cases X is. And Chris won't tell you that, but he forewent a lot of financial gain to make those decisions. And he was supporting Donald Trump even when people thought he was down and out. Okay, you may not remember this. Elon Musk purchased Twitter or now it's X. Elon Musk endorsed DeSantis in May 2023 to be clear. And he did a after he purchased X. I remember him doing a hangout with Desantis. So what changed? There was an assassination attempt on Donald Trump where we all knew he was going to win. As close as you can know, right with a national election, there's always some risk. After that he stepped in. But before that he wanted no tariffs on China and he still wants no tariffs on China. Before that he didn't care about your taxes going up and he still doesn't care about your taxes going up. Before that he didn't really care about putting America first and H1BS and as many immigrants who can possibly come in with 16 families stuck in a one bedroom to take your job at 60% of the payings and he still doesn't care about you and your jobs. He was never a free speech guy and he is still not a free speech guy. He said that the man you elected was a pedophile and he still hasn't walked it back. Don't let that wolf back in the gate. I think the most valuable thing and we're going to go. If you're not a member right now, this is a scary time for everyone here. Just so you know, like I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lawsuit on my desk before I walk out of this studio. Elon Musk can be very litigious. So can his enterprises consider supporting. We're able to speak on this whether you agree or not. At least be honest with you. Because of your support you can join Rumble Premium. $99 a year. You get everything ad free. It's the best deal going right now in multimedia content or let us do our best to earn it going forward. That's all I ask. I think you had a point, Gerald. I've kind of taken the floor here this entire time before we go for Elon Musk.
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Gerald Morgan
I mean I just that that kind of series of events doesn't make any logical sense to me if you're just opposing a bill at all.
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Steven Crowder
Right.
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Gerald Morgan
He never made a point like Rand Paul or made, excuse me, he never was very specific about what he wanted. And for too long people have hero worshiped on both sides. Honestly, there's a lot of people right now in X that are just absolutely in the camp for Elon Musk and saying Musk can do no wrong and just give him time and it's okay. These guys just need to sort it out. I'm sorry. They don't need to sort it out. They just need to go their separate ways. I'm with you. I don't want Elon Musk back in the fold because I never thought he really was. I really appreciated the help that he gave. Yeah, it was fantastic. I love that X went to his hands instead of Dorsey's hands.
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Steven Crowder
Well, now they're buddies. Problems right now. They're buddies.
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Gerald Morgan
They're buddies.
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Steven Crowder
Him in Dorsey.
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Gerald Morgan
I think I know why. Yeah. Some of that inside baseball that we've been talking about a little cryptically, but also Donald Trump calling him out when he's wrong, it's fine. But you do it in a productive way. This was not a productive way. Asking for him to be impeached is not a productive way. Call him a pedophile is not a productive way. I'm sorry, you just don't get to do this.
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Steven Crowder
I think the most important lesson to hear, at least I would say illuminating. Look, do I think that Donald Trump can be bombastic? Do I think that he's. Yeah, I think he's been wrong on a lot.
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah, fine.
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Steven Crowder
But the left was saying, I mean, like we talked about yesterday, Bernie Sanders had a tour about the oligarchs which got screwed yesterday. Tickets suck, they were saying. So now you basically have a president who has bought and sold and will do the bidding of Elon Musk. Elon Musk tweeted out, you know, I put in 200 something million dollars or X'd out, whatever, and Donald Trump won. I think he said 51 to 49. Donald Trump can't win without me. Donald Trump was going to win without him.
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah.
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Steven Crowder
To be clear. But it's important to note that to have a president who has the world's richest man, who has given more to his campaign or PACs than anyone else, who has a vested interest financially in certain facets, who makes requests, and to say no, that's pretty important. That. That does tell us that like him or hate him, Donald Trump clearly was not bought by Elon Musk. And that's why when I look at Donald Trump and he makes mistakes, for example, the bump stock issue.
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah.
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Steven Crowder
Guess what? I think he thought it was a good idea.
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Gerald Morgan
Yeah.
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Steven Crowder
There's no lobbyist who told him to. I believe he was wrong. But you actually. Yeah. You couldn't state more definitively about any president ever that we have more proof that Donald Trump is unbiable than anyone else. There might have been someone who was less for sale, but you couldn't prove it to the degree that you can right now. You don't piss off the world's richest man, who also has had access to your government in a way that nobody else does, who could try and use it against you. You don't do that unless you think it's right. So no one's perfect. And I have plenty of disagreements. But on this one, I've been saying it for close to a decade. I think the earliest there was 2016. And I'll say it again before we go to Rumble Premium and take your chats on what we missed. I don't like Elon Musk. I don't trust Elon Musk, and with good reason. And I would encourage you to take into account the totality of research. And it really comes down to one simple question. Do you want Donald Trump to be impeached? Do you believe that our country is better off if that happens tomorrow? We often throw this sort of hypothetical out there, like, hey, if you were king for a day, what would you do on abortion? What would you do on drug? What would you do on taxes? Hey, ask yourself this and it should tell you where you line up. If you were king for a day, king of the world, would you make sure that Donald Trump is impeached? Because it's a whole lot less of a hypothetical in this case when it's the wealthiest man in history, ever, and he has the entire media eager to use his words to tear down this administration and make the impeachment of Donald Trump a reality. So you want Donald Trump impeached? If not, I'd think twice about supporting the wolf who's been at the gates. Keep him out. Now let's gate it. Rumble Premium for Muk Club users.