Facts Based "Racism" | Black & White on the Gray Issues Pt. 2

Summary

Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder

Episode: Facts Based "Racism" | Black & White on the Gray Issues Pt. 2
Date: October 16, 2025
Host: Steven Crowder with panelists Cedric, Derrick, Emily, Frank

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of "Louder with Crowder" is the second part of a deep-dive roundtable discussion on race relations, perceptions of racism, and the interwoven social, economic, and cultural factors affecting Black and White communities in the U.S. The conversation is candid and often heated, centering on facts, perceived myths, media narratives, and the growing sense of grievance and alienation across racial lines—especially among young White men. The panel debates topics like crime statistics, reparations, systemic bias, parental responsibility, government policy, and divisive media rhetoric, all while challenging each other's assumptions.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Opening: Social Media, Narratives, and Racial Tension

• Steven Crowder's Framing: Crowder asks why a young White kid—who feels blamed for racism and is told he’s more likely to be killed by a Black person—should be held responsible for historical injustices. He worries society is “creating a generation of racists” by refusing to dialogue with them.
  "What do you say to that young white kid?" (02:56)
• Cedric’s Response: Advises young White people to stop consuming polarizing content on social media and not to buy into paranoia.
  "Stop paying attention to what these talking heads are saying because they're leading you down the wrong path." (03:08)

2. Reciprocity of Negative Experiences

• Black panelists point out that negative experiences with other racial groups are not unique to Whites and cite historical and current discrimination experienced by Black Americans.
  "What about black people who've had continuous, not only historical, but personal experiences where they've been at the wrong end of white people?" (03:21)
• Crowder highlights faith and personal discipline as what shield him from becoming hateful, despite negative experiences.

3. Crime, Parenting, and Culture

• Crowder gives a personal anecdote about his son repeating encounters with aggressive kids, leading to a broader discussion of whether bad behavior is about race or parenting.
• Panelists (Cedric, Derrick, Emily) delve into cultural differences, with emphasis on Asian families’ academic expectations and the impact of father absence in Black households.
• Emily: "Why is it that the Asian kid does three times to four times as much homework than the black kid...?" (07:14)
• Cedric: "It's culturally conditioned... when it comes among Asians, they're taught from young that that's primary over anything else." (07:42)

4. Institutional Power, Economics, and History

• Discussion moves to Black institutional power since the civil rights movement, with nuanced takes on improvements and ongoing challenges.
• Emily: "Why was the Black community one of the fastest growing economic demographics... and now it's substantially worse than it was before Martin Luther King?" (09:16)
• Derrick credits welfare reform and federal policies—particularly housing policy and welfare rules—for undermining the Black nuclear family.
  "...when the father became absent in a home, right. When he became absent in the home, it left the mothers [to] bear the brunt." (10:43)
• Panelists agree that federal policy did more to create dependency than empower and that economic progress was eroded.

5. Reparations Debate

• Spirited debate over who should pay reparations, who should receive them, and what would constitute "enough."
• Frank: "The federal government should be on hook... But every single company that benefited from chattel slavery... they should have to pay into that." (14:12)
• Crowder presses for specifics and fairness:
  "If you're to go through the numbers, sir, do we agree if I have no connection to slavery whatsoever that I don't owe you? Me." (17:57)
• Cedric: "Add an extra 2% to what you pay in taxes. How about that? 2%, that's a number."* (22:15)
• The conversation circles the complexity of lineage, statistical reality, and the impracticality of assigning collective debt for historical crimes.

6. Crime and Criminal Justice

• Disagreement over whether poverty or culture drives crime.
• Crowder asserts that, statistically, poor Whites do not commit violent crime at the same rate as poor Blacks, challenging the poverty-crime link.
  "Then why do poor white people not commit violent crime at the same rate?" (27:19)
• Cedric and Frank counter that different types of crime go undetected in White communities due to lack of surveillance (e.g., “they just different types of guys” / “there’s no cameras over there” (27:32)).
• Derrick: "The young white male is the real threat to America as it stands." (47:48)
• Crowder highlights that young White men feel unfairly targeted and that the "12 times more likely" statistic—White people being murdered by Blacks vs. the reverse—will breed resentment. (38:22, 41:41, 55:44)

7. Media Narratives and Disinformation

• Agreement that media—across the spectrum—fuels division, misrepresents facts, and can incite violence.
• Cedric: "People lose the ability to think critically, think for themselves and they just lean whatever way the publication or the platform is telling them." (34:49)
• Crowder calls out selective editing, e.g., Trump's condemnation of White supremacists, and says media encourages false narratives.

8. Immigration, Economic Policy, and Labor

• Panelists discuss the effects of illegal immigration, with rare agreement that companies exploiting undocumented labor should face harsh penalties.
• Frank: "Companies that employ these illegal aliens, they're profiting not only by the normal margin, by increase because they're paying less..." (43:37)
• Crowder adds that this suppresses wages for American workers.

9. The Perpetual Cycle: Perceived Grievance and "Who's to Blame"

• Repeated return to which group has more legitimate grievance and whether modern Whites should pay for past crimes.
• Points of agreement: historic injustices did occur, Black advancement has been undermined, and today's polarization is worsened by media and policy missteps.
• Panelists stress the importance of empathy but each struggles to recognize the other's current pain points.

10. Assassination of Charlie Kirk and Political Violence

• Crowder recounts attacks on himself and Charlie Kirk, seeing them as driven by misinformation and demonization. "There have been many attempts on Charlie's life and my life because of what we do here, having a conversation." (65:01)
• Cedric responds with historic perspective: Black activists faced government violence for decades.
• Both sides agree political assassination is unjust and polarizing.

11. Final Reflection: Can We Reconcile?

• Derrick appeals for unity, warning that America faces serious threats if it cannot move beyond racial animus. "We really got to reevaluate. Listen, we're not going to ever agree on every goddamn thing, but the one thing we got to agree on is that we are Americans..." (49:50)
• Crowder underscores the need to listen to the grievances of all communities, including frustrated young White men.
• The episode ends with mutual thanks—a rare moment of warmth and agreement that more honest dialogue (not less) is needed.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Crowder:
  "Society is going to create a generation of racists..." (02:54)
  "My faith is what has protected my heart from becoming racist." (04:04)
• Emily:
  "Why was the Black community one of the fastest growing economic demographics... and now it's substantially worse than it was before Martin Luther King?" (09:16)
• Frank:
  "Every single company that benefited from chattel slavery... should pay into [reparations], because they all profited." (14:12)
• Cedric:
  "You got to do that with everything... stay away from us, but pay for us." (01:01, 52:20) "I pay attention to all that stuff... we all do... it's never enough." (31:47–31:50)
• Derrick:
  "You know what, there may need to be a change in the conversation overall as it relates to what the really, what's really in hell going on with white black America." (77:26)
• Crowder:
  "If someone believes a lie that he wants to erase trans people... that adds another piece of hatred and justification too." (75:22)
• Frank:
  "We are the fuse for the fight that's inevitable. We're not necessarily the problem, but we're the fuse that's trying to get lit." (56:33)
• Derrick:
  "Unless we can really have an effective discourse... we're going to have a bad country moving forward." (67:16)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Crime, Media, and Narratives:
  • Discussion starts: [03:05]
  • Crime statistics and personal anecdotes: [06:05] – [09:00]
• Reparations heated exchange: [13:43] – [24:30]
• Crime, poverty, race: [26:14] – [29:00]
• Media bias and manipulation: [34:00] – [36:42]
• Discussion of Charlie Kirk’s assassination: [64:01] – [70:00]
• Final thoughts and appeal for unity: [75:56] – [79:13]

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Tone and Language

• Openly confrontational, blunt, and “politically incorrect” per Crowder’s brand.
• Frequent crosstalk, interruptions, and emotional asides.
• Attempts at humor and “real talk” but with underlying tension.
• Both sides feel unheard by the other but share an underlying worry about national polarization.

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Conclusion

This episode is a microcosm of the American racial debate in 2025: raw, unresolved, and marked by mutual suspicion, but with glimmers of self-awareness and desire for more civil engagement. Both facts and feelings matter in these conversations—and both need to be heard if real progress is to occur. The show ends not with consensus, but with commitment to more discussion—if not agreement, then at least mutual recognition.

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For listeners seeking more:

• Check out Part 1 for context.
• Engage in the comments or see the video version for full body language and expression.

Transcript

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[Cedric]

You got your own area.

[Steve]

Then don't ask them to pay for it.

[Cedric]

No, because so you got to do that with everything.

[Steve]

Now it's the kit, now it's the boodle. And nothing is it. Stay away from us but pay for us. Do you realize that guy's gonna hate.

[Cedric]

Ignore that other side of the coin. If we gonna do that, if we gonna give you that, then you gotta go through everything and you gotta give us the same thing. We not gonna pay for certain that we don't agree with.

[Steve]

Can I ask you something? Real talk while we're having real talk. Why do black why do young black men fight in packs? Welcome back. As I'm sure you've noticed, race relations in America aren't exactly where we would hope they'd be in 2025. And considering the events over the past year or few, one can understand why. 22 year old Logan Federico lived in North Carolina and was visiting friends in Columbia.

[Derrick]

Back in May.

[Emily]

Authorities say her alleged killer Alexander Dickey.

[Steve]

Entered the home that she was staying in and shot her.

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Investigators also say Dickey was on a crime spree before killing Logan.

[Steve]

A Collin county grand jury indicted 18 year old Carmelo Anth with first degree murder. He's accused of stabbing 17 year old Austin Metcalfe at a Frisco track meet earlier this year.

[Cedric]

Killing a Ukrainian refugee on Charlotte's light.

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Rail Last month being put into handcuffs. This new chilling video Is one of.

[Cedric]

Nearly a dozen new clips now in the hands of wbtv.

[Steve]

That's what prompted me to go back to the barbershop and start the conversation that you saw in part one of this video last week. You guys heard the term black fatigue. And if you thought that was heated. All I have to say about Part 2 today is hold onto your butts. What I said earlier and you, needless to say, is when you have young white person going, okay, why is this happening? And people go, black lives matter. And they go, well, hold on a second. I have an opinion on black lives matter. They go, well, sit down, shut up. Okay, now silence is violence. And that kid goes, well, what do I do? By the way, you're on the hook for reparations. Even though he, his father, his grandfather, his great, great grandfather didn't own a slave and he's still 12 times more likely to be killed by a black person. The other way around. What I'm saying is society is going to create a generation of racists. What do you say to that young white kid? What do you say to him?

[Cedric]

Stop watching.

[Steve]

Stop.

[Cedric]

Stay off of TikTok.

[Steve]

Stop reading stats.

[Cedric]

Stop paying attention to what these talking heads are saying because they're leading you down the wrong path. They leading you down a path of paranoia and conspiracy theories.

[Steve]

What if their interactions with black people in general are quite negative? So.

[Cedric]

Give the same thing in reverse. What about black people who've had continuous, not only historical, but personal experiences where they've been at the wrong end of white people?

[Steve]

Here's the thing.

[Derrick]

I'll tell you.

[Cedric]

And then we get told that those stories are invalid.

[Steve]

No, no, you're not.

[Cedric]

Yes, we do.

[Steve]

You're not. I've been personally, I'll give you an example. And by the way, the only thing that keeps my heart protected from racism, by the way, the only thing that protects me from not wanting to go out and kill the person who shot Charlie Kirk. Because, by the way, there are two people on earth who know what it's like to sit in that chair, me and him. And I just did it at SMU and had to have entire bulletproof glass and an army to go in and have conversations, right? So I'm a little bit pissed off about it. Also, people have tried to take my life many times. So I don't really have a whole lot of sympathy for anyone, white or black, saying, oh, must be.

[Cedric]

Yeah.

[Steve]

You ever have someone show up at your house you ever have someone show up at your house when your kids are sleeping with weapons Being swatted. Like, we've been living through this for a long time and told, you don't know what it's like. I will say this. My faith is what has protected me. My faith is what has protected my heart from becoming racist. But I've had a lot of negative interactions. That's why I'm sitting here. I always. We'll have to edit this. Cause just the word. By the way, if you want a relaxing vacation, stay home. Don't go to. I know, I know. But my kids love it, so I go there, okay? And I'll tell you this. Has anyone. You have, like, this magic wand thing. You run around the hotel and it opens up chests. And I'm sitting there, you know, I'm sunk. And I. And there was a black guy next to me, obviously a dad with, like, his daughter and his son. And I kind of looked at him. We looked at each other. Like, we looked each other in the face. Like, yeah, we know. This is exhausting. And I know we have a lot in common because his wife or woman is probably in the room because he's there with his kids by himself. I was, too. But then we were there at the water slides. My kids are three. And this happened not once, but about four or five times. And it happened three times with one black kid who was about 5 or 6. Shoved my son out of the way to get on the water slide. Okay? My son did nothing. Shoved him out of the way a second time. Came back. My son's 2, 3 years was a big deal at that point. And then at one point, I go, I look over Mom. No, dad. And I look, I just go, like, hey, you know, he's being aggressive. Okay? Comes back the third time, and I go, hey, hey, Juan, you have to wait in line. You know what my son said? My son said, well, Daddy, you know what? Maybe he's in a real hurry. We should let him go. That wasn't it. Different interaction. That kid kept doing it to every other. And it wasn't the only one. And you know why? Because I've taught my kid, hey, you're gonna have people who look different from you, and it doesn't matter. You treat them well. That kid wasn't. And I'm telling you, along with the empirical anecdotally, if you have a young white person who has these interactions on a regular basis, and I'd be lying to you if I said they were uncommon while being told they need to shut up because of systemic discrimination, you're gonna create a generation of racists I get it.

[Derrick]

But that child was poorly parented too. Because all the time that child was poorly parented. There's no way in the world this mother shouldn't have intervened with his the first time.

[Steve]

No, the dad wasn't. There was no dad.

[Cedric]

That's to say that mom, no dad.

[Steve]

Now I say. Cause it's not a race thing. The dad, him and I looked and we're like, dude, I get it, right? We're both tired. But here, this kid, I don't know, maybe the dad wasn't there, his mom didn't, and he shoved my son out of the way.

[Derrick]

But it's poor parenting, though. Yeah, that's what I was saying.

[Steve]

We run into that all the time.

[Cedric]

That's what I was about to say. It's poor parenting everywhere. And that creates individuals that grow up to be grown up individuals. And some of those individuals end up getting positions of power.

[Emily]

Well, see, can I drop one thing real quick?

[Cedric]

Yeah.

[Emily]

Because I like the thing about choices. When you were talking about the federal.

[Steve]

Department, by the way, the whitest mother ever lived.

[Emily]

But I'm sorry, like, there's a couple things you said you ended up in.

[Cedric]

And so you don't have to worry.

[Emily]

About things that people in South.

[Cedric]

No, no, I said I've been afforded some things.

[Steve]

Afforded?

[Cedric]

Yeah.

[Steve]

Why?

[Emily]

How are you afforded that? You just happen to land.

[Cedric]

No, I sacrificed some things to live in.

[Steve]

Correct.

[Cedric]

Right.

[Emily]

You make good choices.

[Cedric]

I make choices.

[Emily]

I made choices when we talk about educational standards.

[Cedric]

But I also had opportunities available to me too. People didn't have.

[Emily]

Of course, everyone has a different lot, for sure. But you were talking about educational. Educational standards. Why is it that the Asian kid does three times to four times as much homework than the black kid and the white kid does two to three?

[Steve]

Why?

[Cedric]

Because it's culturally conditioned.

[Steve]

So why is it better parenting from Asians and white parents? You said what? Why is there better parenting? What he's trying to say is you said bad parenting. So why is there better parenting from Asians and white parents?

[Cedric]

Yeah, culturally. The educational mindset. Culturally, when it comes among Asians, they're taught from young that that's primary over anything else.

[Steve]

Entertainment, also a Bangalore, how you dress.

[Cedric]

None of that matters up here matters.

[Steve]

Right.

[Emily]

And they're also about three to four times more likely to have a father in the household than a black. Why is this disproportionately affecting this one?

[Derrick]

Because I. I have a question.

[Emily]

Because I actually have, like my uncle, my aunt's married to a black dude. One of the most accomplished men of all time. Helicopter pilot, national park ranger, served his country, has a Ferrari in the driveway.

[Steve]

Right.

[Emily]

He wears, you know, crew socks. So we can forgive him for some things. But I have great.

[Derrick]

I have my whole life.

[Emily]

I've had this great black role model all my life. But then I try to ask questions, and we have. I have a hard time asking him because I don't want to, like, upset that relationship.

[Derrick]

You're being responsible with your work, so.

[Emily]

I want to ask now, like, it.

[Steve]

Doesn'T help that you look like you're in the Third Reich.

[Derrick]

I'm not even going to tell you how.

[Emily]

But then if you talk about there's no power. Well, we were talking about Charlotte, and you said the black activist judge. Well, in Charlotte, it's not just the black activist judge. It's the DA that's black that instituted those policies. It's a black mayor. So would you. Could we at least agree, before the civil rights movement and now, do blacks have more or less institutional power?

[Derrick]

There's been.

[Cedric]

There's been some bad and some good that came out.

[Frank]

We have less institutional power, but you know where.

[Steve]

The civil rights movement. But you know.

[Frank]

Yes, but you know what we don't have when you. In the community. We don't have the unity.

[Derrick]

Well, here's the problem.

[Emily]

We have the last thing I want to ask. The last thing I want to ask.

[Derrick]

A question before you say the last.

[Emily]

Thing you want to ask it kind.

[Derrick]

Of all thrown together, and I'll just let you go.

[Steve]

Okay, go ahead.

[Emily]

Is why was the black community one of the fastest growing economic demographics in the country? Why were there tons of fathers in the household? Black people were becoming great role models and integrating into society naturally. And now it's substantially worse.

[Steve]

Worse.

[Derrick]

You know why.

[Emily]

Than it was before Martin Luther King?

[Derrick]

You know why it's worse?

[Steve]

Yeah.

[Derrick]

Because of the. Because of the fact that I'm gonna say this openly, because I can't get into the specifics, but I worked for an entity that. I was flabbergasted to learn this.

[Steve]

All right?

[Derrick]

And what we do is we provide Medicaid. Right? And this is a former campaign I worked on. And I was awestruck when I would have white females that would call and they would call on behalf of their entire family, which included the husband. Right. So many people say, well, you know, the welfare queen is having more children because she gets more of a. More food stamps. Well, here's how it really works. And I can tell you this from firsthand knowledge. Right. Let's say I've got a household of a wife and a husband and I've got four kids. That household can earn up to $6,900. Right. And here's what happens. Even if the husband is in the household, many times they're self employed. So of course you can skew the numbers any way you want and, and you and your family will continue to get to get full healthcare. A black mother is always told if there's a man in the house number one, then it's a no go. Okay, look at the Section 8 Housing Authority. Now here's what happened. And you want to know what happened?

[Steve]

What caused the problem? I agree with everything you're saying.

[Derrick]

Yeah. What caused the problem in black America? What caused the problem in black America is the fact that when, you know, when the father became absent in a home, right. When he became absent in the home, it left the mothers that the better brunt. So to answer your question, do we have more influence in some areas, perhaps. But ask your question, ask yourself this. Do we have more influence economically? Because if you go back and you look, if you go back and you look prior to the civil rights movement, let me tell you something, right now, you have more black carpenters and tradesmen all over this place.

[Emily]

Overwhelming.

[Derrick]

Yeah, that's right. But the problem is again, if you agree with that, then you will agree with the fact that if it had not been for the change in the systemic dynamics that black men would still be in the home more heavy and the black family would sleep.

[Emily]

Federal government policy has not been instituted to help black people ever. But really to make them dependents of the state when they were doing just damn fine. Without the federal government that you want in more people's lives, the only reason.

[Steve]

Why it's almost like reparations. It's almost like reparations would be the same thing.

[Cedric]

My question to that is why is that a problem for white America? And we were always one country.

[Steve]

Because it's what we are, one country.

[Emily]

And the problems of one community.

[Steve]

We're not one country.

[Frank]

We're an entity.

[Steve]

We're a corporation.

[Cedric]

The United States is a corporation. It's not a country.

[Emily]

It certainly is.

[Derrick]

And with that attitude, with that attitude.

[Emily]

We can never be a country if that's the attitude that people have.

[Steve]

Because it's not a country, it was never built.

[Cedric]

It's written in the Constitution.

[Steve]

It's a corporation.

[Emily]

That is definitely not written in the Constitution.

[Steve]

That is not written in the Constitution. That's just not true.

[Cedric]

It's not a country.

[Steve]

So what I'm saying is we were.

[Cedric]

Black people in our own communities, thriving, like you said, doing our own thing. Why was that a problem for white America?

[Derrick]

We were doing our own thing.

[Cedric]

Why did y' all come and burn down the Wall Street? Black Wall Street?

[Frank]

We were already.

[Cedric]

We had our thing going.

[Frank]

Why is it an issue when we.

[Cedric]

Have our own thing going and we're minding our business? White America comes in and figure out a reason to. Oh, that's wrong. Y' all are doing something wrong. That's not by the code.

[Emily]

No one here is trying to justify clear racist policies. The pastor racism of the past, of course that existed. No one is arguing that.

[Cedric]

Here's the thing.

[Derrick]

We're not.

[Steve]

I'm just one thing. It sounds like you're saying that you would want racial segregation because you're saying worse than segregation.

[Cedric]

We had for equality.

[Frank]

We didn't get that.

[Steve]

But you're saying. Are you saying that we should be separate communities? That's what I'm asking. Are you saying we should be separate white and black communities? That's what it sounds like. A little bit.

[Cedric]

Separation may be the answer.

[Steve]

Okay, I think I appreciate your honesty. I appreciate your honesty, but if a white person says that, is it racist?

[Cedric]

No, it's not.

[Derrick]

Okay, I think that's.

[Cedric]

But if you're saying it in a narrative that we are a threat to you guys, so that's why we want to be separate.

[Steve]

But you just said that white people are a threat to black people. That's what you just said. So why can't white people say it? And I don't think separation is the answer.

[Cedric]

I didn't say that.

[Derrick]

I don't think separation.

[Steve]

I heard that.

[Cedric]

I said, you guys find a problem.

[Steve]

With everything that we do if separation is the answer.

[Cedric]

Yeah, reparations. Come on with it.

[Frank]

Yeah, different.

[Emily]

Who gets the reparation.

[Steve]

For so many years? America.

[Cedric]

The government.

[Steve]

The government that's taken from it.

[Cedric]

Personally.

[Steve]

You don't have to tell me twice. I agree with you. I agree with you. Like, why are we paying that? Right. So I agree with you. How about we pay none of it and let people make their own decision.

[Frank]

To answer the question of who should pay. Yeah, the federal government should be on hook for some of that. But every single company that benefited from chattel slavery, all the insurance companies, all the freight companies, all of those companies that existed then, that still exists now in some name, shape or form, they should have to pay into that because they all profited for. Just think about this. You insured a Slave. When you bought a slave, you got insurance on that slave. That insurance company made money off of that. And they built up into.

[Steve]

What percentage. What percentage of the workforce in the United States do you think were actually slaves here in this country? Because that might.

[Frank]

I don't know what the percentage was, but I know all the hard work. I know who did all the hard work.

[Steve]

No, no, you know what you just said. The railroads. Why aren't. So why aren't the Chinese immigrants asking for reparations?

[Frank]

Because they've already been. They've already been gifted what they were going to give.

[Steve]

We did it for you. Did it full for them. No, no, the Chinese built the railroad. Chinese were slaves. They built the railroad.

[Frank]

We did that for them.

[Steve]

No, no, no. The Chinese were the majority of the slaves. Building railroad now on railroad reparations, they don't want it.

[Frank]

Well, I tell you what, next time we'll have you a Chinese dude in here so you can ask him that. He don't give a. I'm talking about black people.

[Steve]

Can you guys deal with the straight hair black people?

[Cedric]

Yeah, actually, yeah, that's another misconception that we get all the time too.

[Frank]

We can cut any kind of hair, but we. We're talking about what black people. Hold on, hold on. We talking about where the money's supposed to come from. It's companies that are trillion dollar, billion dollar companies that started in the 1600s, 1700s, that are still around and they benefited and profited immensely from that.

[Steve]

What if it's a company that never had slaves? Should they pay reparations?

[Frank]

No, not that the company had slaves, but we had companies that insured slaves. You had companies that transported slaves.

[Steve]

But what if it's a company that did none of it?

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[Steve]

They pay.

[Derrick]

No.

[Frank]

If they didn't have anything to do with chattel slavery. No, they shouldn't.

[Steve]

Neither did I.

[Frank]

Companies that should.

[Derrick]

But, but let me say this.

[Steve]

But you understand the point.

[Frank]

But if your grandfather was here in the United States. I don't know. You said you from Canada. I don't know. We might. We not worry about. We worry about the people.

[Steve]

What if your grandfather was a slave owner and mine wasn't?

[Frank]

My grandfather was my.

[Steve]

What if he was? But my point is, what if he was?

[Frank]

My grandfather was a sharecropper in Plaqueman, Louisiana, in a little small town called Biogula. So he was two generations removed from slavery. So I know I have a root in slavery.

[Steve]

Okay.

[Frank]

Somebody owned my great, great grandfather.

[Steve]

What if I have no root in slavery?

[Frank]

Well, you don't owe nothing. You don't owe anything. Your grandfather. If your grandfather from Canada, he wasn't down here owning slavery.

[Steve]

Okay, okay. I'm just trying to. So the people who didn't owe. We don't pay reparations.

[Frank]

He owed money.

[Steve]

But, Steve, here's what I'm telling you, though. Hold on a second. Here's what I'm telling you. If you're to go through the numbers, sir, do we agree if I have no connection to slavery whatsoever that I don't. I don't owe you? Me.

[Frank]

You don't.

[Steve]

Okay. So do you realize that you could take all the white people in this country and if you're going to add up everyone where you could actually trace the lineage to slave owners or had any involvement, you would end up with maybe 2 or 3%. 2 or 3% of white people in this country.

[Frank]

There go them numbers.

[Steve]

Most of us have not.

[Frank]

Somebody did it.

[Derrick]

Can I figure it out?

[Frank]

Somebody did.

[Derrick]

Yeah.

[Steve]

And somebody sold them in the slave.

[Frank]

Somebody old.

[Steve]

It's still going on right now.

[Frank]

Somebody old.

[Steve]

There are more slaves on earth right now than ever. Did you know that?

[Derrick]

Steve, Let me ask you a question.

[Steve]

Let me ask this question.

[Derrick]

Let me ask you a question. We're not gonna go. We're not gonna. We're not gonna really get to the heart of it. Let me ask you this. Are you aware of what's going on with McDonald's right now, McDonald's the company. Yeah, McDonald's the company.

[Steve]

I'm aware they can't get my filet of fish right.

[Derrick]

Anytime I go, let me tell you what's really happening. I got a friend of mine who currently has five McDonald's locations, right? So there are many times he says, cedric, sometimes I've got to get up at nighttime to go and check, even if the chiller goes out, right? So I said, man, why is that? So what's really happening? He said, cedric, what happens is there are most black franchisees, right, that own these McDonald's. He said, we have to get them in the most low performing areas, right? Never mind the fact that we make the same investment up front to purchase one of those McDonald's, right? So when you talk about that, let's look at the systemic and institutional biases that are involved. Just in that you tell me I gotta pay you a million dollars to get a McDonald's, right? Same thing as my white counterpart, but yet I'm relegated to take a McDonald's in an area that's probably highly impoverished. I've got to keep coming up with all kind of gimmicks to keep the foot traffic coming through the stores where nobody talks about that.

[Steve]

Well, what about the flip side of it?

[Cedric]

What happens on the flip side?

[Steve]

What about the flip side of it? What about the fact that you have a government that has grants that they invest in black owned businesses that don't happen for white people?

[Derrick]

Let me ask you this, Steve. It's funny, you.

[Steve]

Does that even it out?

[Derrick]

No, no, no.

[Steve]

But because that exists.

[Derrick]

Here's something you keep saying. You said that these grants exist for black people. But let me ask.

[Steve]

But my point is both sides of that coin, right?

[Derrick]

Yeah.

[Cedric]

That exists for a reason.

[Steve]

What's the reason? The reason is based on what he's saying. That's why it's an appropriate. That's what I'm saying.

[Cedric]

But I'm saying if you use his example of the McDonald's, what would be the reason for relegating the black owners to the low end?

[Steve]

I don't know. I'm not able to verify that all that's factual. I know. Were you told you could only open here in Nice? Huh? Were you told you could only open here in a Nice.

[Cedric]

Well, this, this, this, this is Steve. Shop.

[Steve]

But no, I point is McDonald's.

[Derrick]

Before you answer that question, you have to understand something. There's a difference in McDonald's or what have you.

[Cedric]

The way that structure, the way, the.

[Steve]

Way the hierarchical Structure works.

[Derrick]

They will designate you certain areas or what have you that you will be awarded a location in. You just don't have the right to say, okay, I'm paying a million dollars.

[Steve]

That's the same for everyone. That's the same for everyone. I know a guy, well, he just died not too long ago. He had a bunch of. Which I don't know how they're still around. It's disgusting, but neither do I.

[Derrick]

That's awful.

[Steve]

I have never had a good meal at. But he had to be in certain too because he had to displace his franchise investment. Right? That's part of it. Where he was like, ah, this one place is killing me. But as long as I get this spot when I average out the four spots, okay, I can turn a profit. So this isn't unique to the black community. What is unique is investments from the federal government and state government into black owned businesses to rectify it that white people don't get. So it's not enough. So what would be enough?

[Cedric]

Because of historical injustices that have been done to impede black businesses. That's what that's.

[Steve]

It's not enough now, but what would be enough?

[Cedric]

Ask yourself, why would they, why would they do that? Why would they pay that?

[Steve]

What's the number? Oh, because historically that's my. What's the number? Right. Public, Department of education, Great society, Model cities program, black businesses, Pell grants, affirmative action, dei. It's not enough. What's the number? That's enough.

[Cedric]

Once again, Just like we said about, about the civil rights movement, about the education, all that you can do certain things in the name of doing the right thing, but you do it wrong.

[Steve]

So then, I don't know.

[Derrick]

I mean, here's the.

[Steve]

Hold on one moment, just one second. Would you agree that if a young person who has no connection to slavery whatsoever, you probably need a number for them, otherwise they're probably gonna be pissed.

[Cedric]

They didn't need a number for Ukraine, sure. They paid them same taxes. They didn't need a number for how much.

[Steve]

You're talking about reparations to a young person, right? In the name of sins of forefathers. My point is what's the number? Because the number now is trillions of dollars. I get it. The government screws everything up and I will agree on that. What's the number? You're sitting down right now with a 22 year old white kid.

[Frank]

Give my daughter $15 million and we'll call it $50 million a piece. We'll call it.

[Steve]

We'll call it square.

[Frank]

That's for me. That's for me.

[Steve]

And for them, $59.

[Cedric]

Okay. Since a lot of people don't care about their taxes, add an extra 2% to what you pay in taxes. How about that? 2%, that's a number.

[Steve]

2% for how long?

[Cedric]

Let's see how long.

[Steve]

So 2% only for white people who have a connection to slavery at their forefathers. Right.

[Cedric]

How long were we in slavery?

[Steve]

You'd end up with no money. 200 and you'd end up with zero money. You'd each end up with about 1,499.

[Frank]

You keep letting out people.

[Cedric]

I'm talking about the government paying taxes. I'm not responsible for anything happening in Ukraine, but I'm paying for it.

[Steve]

I agree.

[Cedric]

So why should that rationale not transfer to this?

[Steve]

Because it's rationale.

[Cedric]

It's not when the government, it's not when the United States is the purpose. The people who purposely.

[Steve]

Well, that's why I need to ask the number. Because if you're talking about more than $15 per black, we're going to be a part. You're talking about trillions of dollars.

[Derrick]

Right.

[Cedric]

But if we're going to be a of part. Part of the same country, like Wayne said, we're going to all be a part and members of the same country. Well, we have to take on what comes with that. What comes with that is historically every time black, like Chris said earlier, every time black people have achieved en masse, it's been torn down. And then, and then you get to.

[Steve]

A point where you're talking about the riots. Yeah.

[Cedric]

Then you get to a point where you're like, I can mention there's several black communities that's under lakes. There's one that's under Central park in the New York, like there's plenty. But my point is then you get to a point where you say, okay, we're gonna do this in the interest of justice. But then redlining and all that stuff happens. And then the prison industrial complex, all of that stuff that happens, that adds to the wrong of gets mixed in.

[Steve]

Is that what you're saying?

[Cedric]

Yeah, we tried and you should just be happy.

[Steve]

Here's the problem. What you just said was the rhetoric and the reasoning behind catch and release doing away with the three strike policy. You point to New York, you got a black mayor and crime got worse.

[Cedric]

Cause he's a criminal.

[Frank]

And because you got 30 million people.

[Steve]

Living white guy before him. He was grabbing, he was grabbing every guinea intern and probably the white guy.

[Cedric]

That put him in his spot.

[Steve]

Okay, so it's worse. In other words, it's worse, Right?

[Cedric]

Mm.

[Steve]

Because of the prison industrial complex. That's why we. That's why that guy was out 14 times.

[Cedric]

But I'm saying that's why. That's also why you have less fathers. That's why you have less fathers in the home. Redlining in the prison industrial complex is a two. Two main caveats to less fathers in the home.

[Steve]

We've done the opposite of the prison industrial complex. Violent offenders are being released into society and committing crime in record numbers right now.

[Cedric]

And nonviolent offenders are being held on petty charges.

[Steve]

No, they're not.

[Cedric]

I've not personally done the numbers on them.

[Steve]

How did the guy get out after 14 times? George Floyd, nine times. Do you remember? 11 times arrested as an average murderer?

[Cedric]

And you got people in there for weed charges. That's in there for.

[Steve]

Nope, it's not a thing. It's less than 0.5% personally.

[Cedric]

No, that's the thing when you tell somebody.

[Steve]

And that's wrong, by the way.

[Cedric]

Don't matter, because the stats matter more. I personally know this. I know somebody right now that's in jail for small, but I know somebody else that did some big. And they out small.

[Steve]

Keep your fine. So he had a joint on him selling weed. He's in prison right now because he.

[Cedric]

Had a joint but a small amount when one time.

[Steve]

One time he got caught selling. One time a small joint. He was selling. No, let's talk about small things.

[Cedric]

But if you want.

[Steve]

That's what I'm saying.

[Cedric]

If you want to frame it in his one time.

[Steve]

That's a squad. I'm saying, what is he in for?

[Cedric]

I don't know how much he had. But it was. It was a. It was.

[Steve]

And one time it wasn't.

[Cedric]

Yeah, it was one time.

[Steve]

He got caught one time selling weed.

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[Frank]

I don't know.

[Cedric]

It wasn't his first time. No.

[Steve]

Okay, so he got caught multiple times. Yeah. And he was selling weed, but every.

[Derrick]

Time wasn't the same thing.

[Steve]

Do you know how many people die from lace weed?

[Derrick]

I don't.

[Steve]

You know about the fentanyl problem in this country?

[Cedric]

Yeah, I do know about fentanyl. You're.

[Steve]

That most people aren't trying to get fentanyl. Right, But I. Weed itself. Weed itself never killed anybody.

[Cedric]

I was about to say fentanyl ain't our thing.

[Steve]

No, what I'm saying is, do you realize why trafficking drugs is a problem? You said a little Thing. Can I tell you that if I had a white friend who was caught trafficking drugs, whether. And I don't think weed should be outlawed, by the way. It's bull. Just be clear. But if I had a white friend who was arrested the umpteenth time for selling a brick of weed, I would go, yeah, that makes sense. We would expect it.

[Cedric]

Not for weed, of course.

[Steve]

Selling weed. Yeah. Selling a giant brick of weed multiple times. Yes, yes. Those are choices.

[Cedric]

And at the same time, I got. I. I know people personally that, like, you got. You got dudes out here like, selling.

[Derrick]

All kinds of other.

[Cedric]

I ain't gonna even put names on it. But you got dudes out here selling.

[Derrick]

All kinds of other.

[Cedric]

And they free. They've been arrested a couple times too, but they back out.

[Steve]

But at what point do we say, hey, you know what? Once you've been arrested trafficking, selling drugs, if you do it again, that's kind of on you.

[Cedric]

Cocaine. We'll let you back out for cocaine. Oh, meth. Don't worry about it. Sitting in the pen.

[Steve]

You said a little thing. It's not a little thing.

[Frank]

We.

[Cedric]

Oh, no. Eight to nine years, you're done.

[Steve]

Okay, how about this? Someone who goes out and commits multiple crimes and felonies, if we do, doesn't get any reparations because the white kid who didn't break the law, who never had any slaves and his forefathers shouldn't be paying for someone who's a serial offender. Could we do that math? Would that be fair?

[Derrick]

No.

[Steve]

No, Absolutely.

[Cedric]

And the reason why, once again, because you. You're starting.

[Steve]

I'm trying to find some common ground because that white kid.

[Cedric]

And I'm trying to tell you. You're trying to start the starting point right here when you're not factoring in what happens. Get that kid in that low income, impoverished environment that created the criminal that he ended up being.

[Steve]

Oh, my God. This is what we do. It's not crime, it's poverty. Then why do poor white people not commit violent crime at the same rate?

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[Steve]

No, they don't.

[Cedric]

It's just usually different types of crime.

[Steve]

No, they do not. They do. It's a fact.

[Frank]

Dude, y' all just shovel them all.

[Cedric]

They just different types of guys.

[Steve]

They just different types of guys. We don't shovel in the trailer park. They stealth.

[Cedric]

They go off in the hills and live amongst the rest of the toothless. And we hillbillies, but they do.

[Frank]

You don't hear.

[Steve]

We're talking about. We're talking about statistical realities there's no cameras over there.

[Derrick]

The young white male, when the young white male is the real threat to America as it stands.

[Steve]

You know what? You're right. I agree. I agree you're right about that. Because young white males are going to be the majority with guns. And if you keep telling them that they're criminals and they should pay for people's bad decisions, you don't want to see them angry because they've never been angry. And I'm telling you, I'm looking at young men and they're way, way more angry than I ever was. So they're getting their ass kicked.

[Derrick]

If they're that angry, why are they only killing each other in their communities? When's the last time you. I mean, how many. Let's look at recently.

[Steve]

That's a good question. Why are they not killing black people?

[Derrick]

You know, why are young white people not. Cuz they understand the ones that these are not the problem. They're not. Listen, they're able to understand that. You know what? Perhaps I've been looking at and I've been taught wrong. Maybe the problem lies with the person who I've been looking up to for all my, my guidance. Because listen, I mean, think about it. Even with the most. And let me tell you this, I'm going record as saying this. I don't care who you are and what your political dissonance is. There's no justification for, for going out taking the life of someone. Just because you have a different opinion of mine doesn't mean I'm going to get angry enough to say I'm going to go out and shoot you right when you go. When, when, when, when everybody asks me, because I got people who ask me, man, what did you think about this incident with Charlie Kirk? I say, you know what? People not going to want to talk about it. I see. But this here was really a situation where this kid more than likely wasn't angry because of what was happening in black America.

[Steve]

No, no, he wasn't.

[Derrick]

That wasn't. He was angry because of the fact that Charlie Kirk had a different opinion about people who are homosexuals. You understand what I'm talking about? And that was the cause that I believe in my mind personally that led him to say, you know what? This has got to be stopped because of the fact this guy is talking about someone who I love. Okay, so let's talk about that. That crime really probably could be looked at more as a crime of passion versus a political outcry for difference. Yes.

[Steve]

No, no, no.

[Derrick]

That's definitely a political assassin.

[Steve]

No, it's political assassination. But here's one thing we can all agree on, right? The guy who shot Charlie Kirk, okay? His roommate, his lover was a dude who was claiming he was transitioning to a woman. You're just fucking gay at that point.

[Derrick]

You're just gay.

[Steve]

That's called it for what it is, right? Can we all agree on that? It's like, no, you're going, he's not even a chick yet.

[Cedric]

My question is, is like, out of that. Out of that tragedy, why did the next day black communities have to get threats?

[Steve]

They did.

[Cedric]

Yes, they did. Southern University.

[Steve]

You're talking to the wrong guy, pal.

[Cedric]

No, I'm just asking.

[Steve]

I can tell you who got the.

[Cedric]

University in Baton Rouge. Yeah, I'm personally tied to that school.

[Steve]

No, you know who got the threats. Let me. Let me.

[Cedric]

Southern University got one.

[Steve]

You're turning this into a race thing where I agree that it's not. But let me tell you something. Every single vigil, every single memorial where, by the way, both black and white conservatives tried to multiple mourn peacefully their own desecrated, attacked assaults. Even in war, they let you bury your dead. And that's because of radical LGBTQ AI People. Look, crazy people. That's not a race thing. But it's the same wing that's pushing reparations. So when you're linking arms with them, we need to hear you disown those people.

[Cedric]

So here's the thing. There's a.

[Steve]

Those two problems should not be tied up.

[Cedric]

There's a large contingent of black America that does disown them. They don't speak for us. Right?

[Derrick]

Absolutely.

[Steve]

Now, on the.

[Cedric]

On the. On the right, there's the Jarrett Taylors and all of these different people, these. These super, super Christian nationalist dudes. I don't see nobody on the right separating themselves from him.

[Steve]

Well, we don't need to, because Richard Spencer and David Duke voted for Biden and Harris. Sorry, David Duke endorsed Jill Stott. What I'm saying is white supremacists don't vote Republican.

[Cedric]

Jerry. Jerry Taylor did and encouraged all of his people.

[Steve]

Jared Taylor is not the first off. He's not in charge of the KKK like that. He's the one who's talking about race and iq, And I don't know that he did vote for Donald Trump, but.

[Cedric]

I do know that actually, people, the Patriot front and all of them dudes subscribe to that.

[Steve]

There's nothing that's conservative about white supremacy. That's why they don't vote Conservative, they vote Democrat. They're. They're socialists. But the issue here that we're talking about is, again, I agree with you on Charlie Craig. It's not political. That's why I'm going. I don't think that you realize you pivoted it into a race issue and said black people were more at risk.

[Cedric]

That's why we didn't separate ourselves from the.

[Steve]

No, no.

[Cedric]

That was.

[Steve]

I just said, ask.

[Cedric]

Why don't y' all separate yourselves from extremists?

[Steve]

Well, of course we do.

[Cedric]

That's what I'm saying.

[Steve]

I'm telling you, they suck.

[Cedric]

I haven't seen that. I personally haven't seen that.

[Steve]

We all do. It's never enough.

[Cedric]

I pay attention to all that stuff.

[Steve]

We all do. Donald Trump did. He was still able to raise. He said. He said, I'm not talking about white supremacists and neo Nazis who are horrible and should be condemned totally. The media cut it out. Did you know that?

[Cedric]

No, I didn't hear that.

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[Steve]

They already said there are fine people on both sides, right?

[Cedric]

I heard that clip right before that.

[Steve]

Right before that, he goes, look, I'm not saying white supremacists are neo Nazis who should be condemned totally. But outside of that, you had on this monument argument, fine people on both sides, and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people on both Sides. And you had people. And I'm not talking about the neo Nazis and the white nationalists because they should be condemned totally, but you had many people in that group other than neo Nazis and white nationalists. Okay. And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Why do you think the media lied to you?

[Derrick]

But if he said, if that's true, then let me ask you a question.

[Steve]

It is true. I can show the clip.

[Derrick]

Well, why didn't, why did he not sue those new media networks like he said when they, when, when, when the interview with Kamala Harris was edited?

[Steve]

He did and he won.

[Derrick]

Well, why did, why.

[Steve]

He didn't even politicize. Why do you think the new thing is? He wants publicize or loser.

[Derrick]

That was my, that was going to.

[Emily]

Be my next point.

[Cedric]

The point is media does what it does on both sides.

[Steve]

No, the media is incredibly left.

[Cedric]

That's the point.

[Steve]

You line up the.

[Cedric]

Nobody have this because when you, when one person says, well, there's problems on your side too.

[Steve]

Sure.

[Cedric]

You say, well, no, you dismiss those and you say, we're just going to point to your problems.

[Steve]

No. Name me one right wing source of media. Name me one outside of Fox News. Name me one outside of Fox News. Abc, NBC, cbs, cnn, cnbc, msnbc, local. Name me one outside of Fox News. That's, that's conservative. You can't. Right, Bart, that's not a mainstream outlet. Right. Then we can go Salon. Then we could go HuffPo for years in this country. ABC, NBC, CBS. Now you go CNBC, MSNBC, CNN.

[Cedric]

And once again, all of them are left. All of them got they, all of them are left. Yeah, all of them got.

[Steve]

They New York Times, Washington Post, go through them. Right. We have to agree on that. That's why you were lied to.

[Frank]

But that's the thing.

[Cedric]

People lose the ability to think critically, think for themselves and they just lean whatever way the publication or the platform is telling them. Right now it's up to the people that, that, you know, run these platforms and publications to be responsible with their words and how they leading people. But you got one half of the country that's purely led to think that these people are bad. And then these, that's that's all, that's all it is.

[Steve]

It's just, I think, I think, I think they're bad. I think people, I think people who cut out Donald Trump saying, not saying white supremacists and who should be condemned. I think the media that cut out on January 6, where he said, of course, make your voices heard peacefully, patriotically, but peaceful. You have to be peaceful. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. And they cut that out.

[Derrick]

I think that media statement, when this is the same guy who says, if you watch the country come down to D.C. and fight like hell or not.

[Steve]

You know, in that same speech, it. Fight like hell peacefully has to be done peacefully. You know who else would fight like hell? Kamala Harris.

[Derrick]

But that's the biggest. I mean, how can you have a peaceful Joy. You know what? I'm gonna tap you like that.

[Steve]

We're gonna act like. Fight like hell is not an expression. Oh, come on. You're smarter than that. Fight like hell is an expression. Joy Reid uses it. Kamala Harris uses it. Biden uses it. Barack Obama used it. Every single one to Donald Trump.

[Frank]

All of those platforms, networks that you and Travis just so eloquently exchange, Mine was not eloquence. How many of those are ran by black people? None of them. We don't control. Once again, why we always get to blame for everything. We don't control nothing.

[Steve]

What percentage of commentators. What percentage of commentators are black? I don't know.

[Frank]

I don't watch mainstream.

[Steve]

It's about 25% despite being 12% of the population.

[Frank]

But they still working on a platform that is not controlled or ran by black people.

[Steve]

So we don't.

[Frank]

So we don't.

[Steve]

So when you lay out, is Van Jones not black? Joy Reid not black? He black? Sunny Hoston not black? Yes, they're allowed to express their opinion.

[Frank]

Is he on the Van Jones network?

[Steve]

Is Van Jones numbers were dog. That's why she got fired. Just like Jimmy Kimmel.

[Derrick]

So now Jimmy Kimmel's numbers are. But nevertheless, though you had a national outcry. What ABC had to respond, track and bring him back.

[Steve]

I mean, someone from the left also shot up an ABC affiliate.

[Cedric]

Huh?

[Steve]

Someone from the left also shot up an ABC affiliate. So that was a big deal.

[Derrick]

See, but see, again, Steve, we can go backward and forward all day. The broader context is the fact that, you know what? There is a. There is a part of white America that needs to acknowledge the fact that, look, even if reparations is not going to happen, because we damn well know it's not right, at least stop preventing us from moving forward. Listen, do you know, I don't know how we are. Do you know right now in the venture capitalist world, 97.3% of their money, their lending goes to actual white firms. Now, there was a movement in Georgia where these women were giving $20,000 to other women contestants because they had a little small minority component over there, right, that went to court and they said, you cannot do that because it is discrimination. But nobody ever challenged the vc okay, so you explain to me now again, we're within our own, trying to build up one another, and you turn around and say it's discrimination. See, it's funny how there's an outcry whenever we do the exact, the exact same thing.

[Steve]

You don't do the exact same thing. Crime statistics aren't the same thing.

[Derrick]

But you're talking crime because you know what they're.

[Steve]

What I'm talking about. No, but what I'm talking about is there are young white kids who don't get good breaks either, right? They have some tough breaks and they don't commit crime in record numbers. And blaming them for this country.

[Cedric]

A lot of black people that don't.

[Steve]

Commit slime in record numbers, Statistically, it's not the same thing. There's most of them. Most of them. Most black people die, but a young white kid is 12 times as likely to be murdered by a black male than the other way around. In other words, white people, like you said, we're not going in killing black people. That it is. Absolutely. What if it is true, guys? What if that stat is true?

[Frank]

Where is this happening?

[Steve]

The real earth. What if it's true? Hey, what if, what if I could show you the clip and Donald Trump said, one second, look, I'm the minority here. I get it, right? I'm outnumbered. But what if Donald Trump actually said what I just said? And why don't you know, what if the stat I'm giving you is true and why don't you know, at a certain point, hey, if you want to blame institutions, if you want to blame an, if you want to blame systemic, institutionalized, right, wrongdoing, maybe you should look at you guys being misinformed.

[Cedric]

The whole thing is up.

[Derrick]

That's 12 time murder rate.

[Steve]

12 time murder rates.

[Derrick]

Is that misinformation as well?

[Steve]

What's what, what was that?

[Derrick]

Is that misinformation?

[Steve]

I didn't hear what you said. I'm sorry.

[Derrick]

Is that misinformation information? When you look at Donald Trump ordering the ICE to go into primarily black cities along with the FBI, is that misinformation? When you talk about New Orleans, what.

[Steve]

Else could we say about those cities? What else can we say about those cities?

[Derrick]

Question, Steve. I'm asking a question. Is that misinformation?

[Steve]

See, the way you're presenting it. Yeah. Steve, I asked you, is it because they're black or is it because they're sanctuary cities?

[Derrick]

See, See, that's not a term that you guys have adopted on the.

[Steve]

Right.

[Derrick]

Come on, man. That's.

[Steve]

It's an actual policy. It's an actual policy where they don't deport and they actually subsidize illegally. You hear about Aurora, Colorado?

[Derrick]

Steve, I'm gonna share something. I hope I don't lose my job behind what I'm about to share with you. Let me tell you something.

[Steve]

I hope you don't either.

[Derrick]

Let me tell you something. Right now. There is a big push with this immigration bullshit that is placating the public. Because let me tell you something. When they come to this country, the minute they hit the shore, the first thing they do is call and say that I want Medicaid. And guess what? By law, there is a record called non citizen emergency expedited Medicaid. We have to give it to them. All right? So if you want to turn around and talk about immigration, then you got to talk about the corporations. Stop the incentive and stop incentivizing this to happen.

[Cedric]

And nobody.

[Derrick]

Nobody says that. No, nobody talks.

[Steve]

I agree with you. Why did Kamala Harris say that illegal aliens can't get Medicaid?

[Derrick]

But the problem is.

[Steve]

I agree with you.

[Derrick]

The problem, though.

[Steve]

No, what? I'm telling you that the left. The left. Why do you think they have a government shutdown right now?

[Cedric]

But that's what I'm saying right now.

[Derrick]

Because the left wants government shut down because of healthcare.

[Steve]

Healthcare for who's going to be beneficiary? Illegal aliens.

[Derrick]

Yeah, but see, you say that, but.

[Steve]

You shouldn't pay for that. I agree. Right.

[Derrick]

Aliens can vote. You damn well know they can't.

[Steve]

Of course they can.

[Derrick]

No, they can't. How do we do instances?

[Steve]

Have you seen how many states have voter id? Because.

[Derrick]

Are you kidding me? When I. Look, man, I'm from Louisiana originally, okay? When I go to vote damage, the first thing they ask me do is please let me say.

[Steve]

Yeah, how many states have voter id?

[Derrick]

Okay, then you tell me the number.

[Steve]

You'Ve got the number over 20 that don't. So.

[Derrick]

Over 20 states that don't.

[Steve]

We were told illegals couldn't get on Medicaid, but here they are.

[Derrick]

But I just told you that. That. I just told you that.

[Steve]

I agree with you.

[Derrick]

That is something that has been. That is something that has been going on in this country for damn years. Because you know why?

[Steve]

So let's Depart them.

[Derrick]

Who's the corporate benefactors? If you, if you, if you're going to do that, then make sure that.

[Steve]

Well, you know, why do you know, what do you know about the census rule change? No, and by the way, this actually directly harms the black community, specifically the black community in a lot of ways because you have a much more comparable percentage of the population to like Hispanics. Right. More than white people.

[Frank]

You're close.

[Steve]

Depending on the state. The census rule that they wanted to change, which you can thank Donald Trump for reversing, was going to count people in the household whether they were legal or not. Do you realize that would actually change district seats, voting patterns and the electoral college. Why should someone here illegally be able to be counted?

[Cedric]

Electoral college does need to be changed.

[Steve]

My point is it would have been changed based on illegal immigrants. People who. And you know what else is pretty hey, there's also a pathway to citizenship from the Democrat party. So if you vote for us, you're gonna get your free sh T. And you know who pays for it? All of us. And you tend to have more Hispanic people in the black community who are there illegal. You live in closer proximity. My woman is Hispanic, She's Latina. Of course she's nuts. But she'll tell you because she has family members who are here legally, they're not at risk. Sanctuary cities are a problem.

[Frank]

What about the companies that employ these illegal immigrants?

[Steve]

They can't punish them all.

[Frank]

Yeah, because once again, are you gonna.

[Derrick]

Punish the hand that feeds you? Come on.

[Frank]

Hold on, I'm asking a question.

[Steve]

Yeah.

[Frank]

The companies that employ these illegal aliens, they're profiting not only by the normal margin, by increase because they're paying less to these people. But one thing, living in Texas and Louisiana, who gonna pick that fruit?

[Steve]

Oh, plenty of white people. Plenty of white people. Plenty of white people.

[Frank]

Y' all white people. Duck the rainfall.

[Steve]

Didn't you see that? There was Ohio. I think it was Toledo. The meat packing plants. Once they said we have to, we can't hire illegal aliens. It was a line around the block of white people. Do you realize that the enrollment in the trades has gone up this idea.

[Frank]

They was inside. I sat out there in that sun. Who gonna get out there and son get them strawberries, go get them peaches in them Africa.

[Steve]

You know who did that? Me.

[Frank]

Ain't no white people out here doing that.

[Steve]

Did you know I did that?

[Frank]

That was one of my jobs. There ain't no white people out there.

[Steve]

I did a part time job working in an orchard and then I worked at construction. Why wouldn't we do it?

[Frank]

How many white people you might have.

[Cedric]

Been out there just cuz it happens.

[Frank]

How many of them was out there? I done roll by the.

[Steve]

They weren't out there cuz it's slave.

[Frank]

Labor years and seen them Latinos out.

[Steve]

There, I never thought I would see a black man advocate for modern slavery. Cuz that's what that is. That's modern slavery. That's modern slavery.

[Frank]

They should be paid more for the work. That's hard work man.

[Steve]

They shouldn't be here.

[Frank]

Somebody got to get that cabbage out there. Somebody got to get them tweaks, potatoes out the ground. Somebody got to do that. White people not going to do that.

[Steve]

Of course you will.

[Frank]

Once again, when the work got hard, that's when they went got slaves.

[Steve]

Yeah, white people don't know hard work.

[Frank]

The Indians broke down, they went got black people, they got the Chinese, they con them in doing the railroad like you said. But when white work get hard, white people ran from that kind of work. So you can't tell me in 2025 you going to go find one of them new generation upset white boys that's.

[Steve]

Going to climb that. It's a statistical reality, I'm telling you. And hey, what do you think happens when people coming from the third world aren't working here illegally as modern day indentured servants, slaves? What do you think happens when they're not there? Wages go up. Why would you pay more when you can have someone who's off the books, you can threaten with deportation. Pay him dog. By the way, that hurts your wages too.

[Frank]

I'm saying if you gonna have those people, you got to pay them more because that is somewhat a former slave. That's some hard work out there. That's some hard work out there. But companies that employ the Tropicanas, the Del Montes, the Libby's, all those companies that get the people, somebody got to.

[Steve]

Get them green beans.

[Frank]

All those companies are profiting from that cheap labor. Somebody got to pay. So if that, so if they're profiting.

[Steve]

From that, I agree.

[Frank]

Those are the companies that need to be punished.

[Steve]

They should be punished and the government that incentivized it should be punished. Yeah, whoever government has incentivized it because they're stealing food from your kid's mouth. The borders, we can agree on that. Hopefully.

[Frank]

But if you go let them in here, somebody going to profit off of it, make them folks have to spit that bread out. Because if you punishing somebody, if you making up making that kind of profit off that illegal labor. You got to make it so punitive that I don't need to get that illegal labor because it's killing my profit.

[Steve]

But if we apply it, and I agree with you. Punish them. Right. I agree with you 100%. Wouldn't we also apply it to sanctuary cities that have harbored illegal aliens and prevented a deportation? By the way Barack Obama defendants, you wear a seat.

[Frank]

That's the city where you can come if you're an illegal alien and they.

[Steve]

Will protect you from deportation.

[Frank]

Yeah, I don't understand that.

[Steve]

Exactly.

[Frank]

That's why I was born here. So I don't give a damn about nobody that's illegally over here. If you ain't supposed to be over here, you got to deal with this.

[Steve]

I agree. I agree. And anyone who's funny should be punished.

[Frank]

Our kids was born here. My mom and my daddy was born here. My grandparents was born here. And they so we here. So if you not supposed to be here and you don't go through the legal channel, you got to deal with the, the consequences of that.

[Steve]

Yep. Yeah. No, I agree.

[Frank]

I'm not here for harboring nobody.

[Cedric]

I am and I, I am for legally having a path to citizenship.

[Frank]

That's legal.

[Steve]

Immigration is different. I agree.

[Frank]

Legal immigration is different.

[Steve]

And by the way, it shouldn't be easy. It shouldn't be easy.

[Cedric]

You should have to pass. Yeah, it is.

[Derrick]

You should have to pass some testes that you're going to be.

[Cedric]

Once again, if I went to, I just went to Montreal if I wanted to, if I wanted to move to Montreal, I'd have to do some.

[Steve]

Oh yeah.

[Cedric]

Like it take like three years for me to officially become a citizen. And there's a lot of stuff that I had to do in them three years.

[Steve]

Yeah.

[Cedric]

Prove to them that I'm worthy of citizenship.

[Steve]

Well even. It's even worse when people hear this is why I say people don't realize that America is actually. They provide more opportunities than any other country. You don't get assurance maladie in Quebec unless you've been employed and paying taxes. I think unless they changed it. I haven't been there since 2004. Three years. So in other words you do not receive anything comparable to other each EBT snap any of that unless you are a tax paying citizen with a record. They don't let people come there, white or black. Also, they are way more racist than America. People don't realize. French Canadians. Yeah, gotcha. They're super racist. And the reason like my experience Americans are the least racist people of all the countries. That includes Europe. That includes Canada. People think Canada's awesome, but French Canadians hate the Haitians because it's a French colony. They hate the Vietnamese. They're just awesome.

[Derrick]

That's what I was about to say.

[Cedric]

It's different pockets that they hate. They don't hate. They don't. They don't hate us. Americans.

[Steve]

Yeah, they don't like Americans.

[Cedric]

I. I didn't experience that.

[Steve]

Yeah, they talk behind your back.

[Cedric]

I experience them. Well, that makes.

[Steve]

And it's too. They're jealous. They're jealous.

[Cedric]

But they don't do that here, too.

[Steve]

Yeah, No, I know. Yeah. No, Canada is a silly place where, again, it's bigger than the United States with a tenth of the population, and it doesn't have the same kind of diversity that we have here. I mean, when people point to Norway or these countries that have giant social safety nets, it's like, take the population of Rhode island and I'm sure you could probably make it work better, too, if it was 100% black or 100% Nordic. When you have a cultural common ground, it's easier, right? We have a lot more pockets in this country than in places like Canada.

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[Steve]

It's a beautiful city to visit, though I highly recommend it. To live there is awful. 50. You want to pay 52% income tax and 14%. What was sales tax when you went 14% sales taxes. You know what's crazy about it? You're taxed on tax. So you have a bill, they tax 7%, total it, and then tax another seven.

[Cedric]

I was about to say they came and got some more money after we got back.

[Steve]

Yeah, that's socialism in Quebec. And, I mean, I've buried relatives from their socialized health care, which is why.

[Derrick]

We need to fight harder to preserve this country first. Because, see, we keep going back because of our ethnic differences and our beliefs and what have you. You can never move forward. And right now, we are in the fight of our life as Americans. Because let me tell you something. Right now there's a huge push to supplant that damn dollar. And if you think that dollar doesn't mean nothing, you watch what happens when it loses that reserve currency status. You'll see what it's like to have a goddamn currency that's worth nothing.

[Steve]

Okay?

[Derrick]

So we've got to rig it. We really. We really got to reevaluate. Listen, we're not going to ever agree on every goddamn thing, but the one thing we got to agree on is that we are Americans until the rest the of the world, whether you're black, white, Republican, Democrat, independent, or what have you, you know what? They still see you as America.

[Frank]

All right?

[Derrick]

So since we're one and the same, let's figure out what we need to do to address the real goddamn problems, you know? Now, as far as it goes for the young white male, I can't speak on his frustration. I simply hope that. You know what? We don't repeat the damn mistakes of the past, because look where we. Look where it's gotten us after all.

[Steve]

These hundreds of years.

[Derrick]

We got to move forward.

[Steve]

Yeah, I agree. I'm just. I'm not asking you to speak for them. I'm asking you guys to consider listening.

[Derrick]

Sure.

[Steve]

Because they're. They're at a point where. I don't know if you know this. A lot of young white dudes have had some pretty tough breaks and no advantages, and they grew up in an era. No, no, no, no. Look, everyone has it. Everyone has it.

[Cedric]

That's the disconnect, man.

[Steve]

Everybody trying to hear that, man. Okay, well, real talk. 12 times the murder rate. You don't want to believe it? Fine.

[Frank]

I don't.

[Steve]

I don't. And that kid's not going to want.

[Frank]

To pay reparation on top of that.

[Steve]

Yep.

[Frank]

I ain't scared. So you can throw them threats out there all you want.

[Steve]

I know you're not scared with the young White. I know you're not scared. I know you're not scared because you're 12 times less likely to be the victim of a violent crime from a white person than he is of you. That's a fact.

[Frank]

I'm more. 12 times more likely to defend myself against some bullshit if the young white boy come with that. Yeah, I'm gonna meet that with some.

[Steve]

A lot of white people going into black neighborhoods.

[Frank]

That's what I'm saying.

[Steve]

A lot of white boys going into black neighborhoods around and ain't nobody playing.

[Frank]

Understand?

[Steve]

But I think. I think that's you guys. Come on, let's. Real talk. Real talk. You've never seen a white person come in solo into a black neighborhood and start a fight. I don't think you've ever seen. Let's be honest, guys. You're not afraid of young white kids.

[Cedric]

I'm agreeing with you. But I'm also giving you a flip side to that coin that you completely ignore.

[Steve]

No, because he said, I'll stop some bull from a white. I tell you, young white guys are afraid when they're surrounded by black guys.

[Cedric]

Okay, but don't come around black.

[Frank]

I'm afraid when I'm surrounded by a bunch of white men. I'm just not gonna lie about you.

[Steve]

I'm not.

[Cedric]

No, I'm not saying you.

[Steve]

Dude, I'm surrounded. This could be an entire tornado of black fist raining on me for saying the wrong thing.

[Cedric]

I'm talking to boy that you talking about the young white boy that you.

[Steve]

I'm not even saying I wouldn't deserve it.

[Cedric]

I'm talking to him. If you're that scared of black people, don't come around black.

[Steve]

They're not scared. They're tired of it.

[Frank]

Well, don't.

[Steve]

Don't.

[Cedric]

Stay away from us.

[Steve]

Great.

[Cedric]

You got your own. You got your own barrier.

[Steve]

Then don't ask them to pay for it.

[Cedric]

No, because once again, so you got to do that with everything.

[Steve]

Now it's the kit. Now it's the boodle. And nothing. You see. Stay away from us, but pay for us. Do you realize that guy's gonna ignore.

[Cedric]

That other side of the coin? If we gonna do that, if we gonna give you that, then you gotta go through everything and you got to give us the same thing. We not gonna pay for certain that.

[Frank]

We don't agree with.

[Steve]

Can I ask you something? Real talk. While we're having real talk. Why do black. Why do young black men fight in packs? Why would we see a World Star video?

[Cedric]

I know personally experience Asians fight impacts more than young.

[Steve]

No, I'm talking about every time I tune in.

[Cedric]

I used to be a club bouncer.

[Steve]

So I'm talking about. I'm talking about video after video of a defenseless person on the ground getting stomped by social media.

[Cedric]

That's conditioning. That's something somebody propped up that wants you to see. That represents black folks.

[Steve]

So you think it's the problem? You think it's equal across the board?

[Cedric]

No, I think it happens in any community.

[Steve]

Do you think it happens more from young black men than young white men?

[Cedric]

No, it gets amplified.

[Steve]

Do you think young black men can commit violent crime more than young white men? Let's laser.

[Cedric]

Do you think amongst. Amongst each other? Yeah.

[Steve]

Do you think that you're saying you don't believe the 12 times rate? Do you believe that young black men commit wanton violence against white men more than white men do against black men?

[Frank]

No.

[Steve]

Then we're never going to find common ground or improve because it's a reality. No, I know that and I'm listening to the kids who are living that. It would be like me telling you in 1960s to black is going, ah, you don't know. Let me speak for you. You can't speak for those kids. It's what they're going through. Listen. I want to listen, but you guys need to listen to them too. This is not going to go.

[Cedric]

I'm hearing you, I'm hearing you, but I'm telling you, I'm just asking. While I'm hearing you say that that young kid is feeling this way. Of course I'm asking you to tell that young kid. Consider the people that came before him.

[Steve]

Hold on.

[Cedric]

The reason why we're in some of these situations is because historically we've had certain. We've had to deal with this forever.

[Steve]

That's why he's getting his ass can't with 7 11.

[Cedric]

We asked for none of this either.

[Steve]

That's why he got here and had.

[Cedric]

To deal with the historical ramifications of whatever.

[Steve]

All across the country. All across the country it's a reality.

[Cedric]

So when we're asking for it, it's invalid, but when he's asking for it, we're supposed to.

[Steve]

Okay. 19 of the top murder cities in the country are blue districts with exponentially larger black populations than the rest of the country.

[Cedric]

What's up yos?

[Steve]

Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, where I'm from, Los Angeles. No, 12 times the rate. I don't know if they're random, but yeah, more random attacks in those cities.

[Frank]

Blacks are killing black people.

[Steve]

You can say it's not.

[Cedric]

Black people are killing black people at way higher rates than those cities.

[Steve]

Sure they are, but they're killing white people at 12 times the rate that white people are killing black people. That's a fact.

[Derrick]

I think if that were true, Steve, we'd have a national outcry and the government would bring all their forces.

[Steve]

You're about to get one. That's what I'm here to warn you about. You're about to get one. You're about to get one. And I don't think you guys see it coming. It's common.

[Cedric]

I see it. But what I'm telling you is you're not gonna see the exact. You're trying to equate the black. The black. The black crime to the white. It's not the same crime, because conditionally, you're right.

[Steve]

It's far more violent culturally. Far more violent. You're right.

[Cedric]

Culturally, we've had to deal with far more violent. Generation after generation of struggle and resistance to oppression. We had to deal with that conditioning over history.

[Steve]

Okay?

[Cedric]

Y' all haven't. Y' all haven't. So there's less fight in you. You're right.

[Steve]

You tell that to a kid in a wheelchair who was getting a pack of smokes, huh? You tell that to a kid in a wheelchair for life who was getting a pack of smokes and was being white in the wrong neighborhood. See if that argument works, and then ask him to pay for reparation. Are people ever responsible for their own decisions? What I'm trying to tell you is young white people are going, we're tired of being blamed for racism. When we're getting beaten up, we're getting killed, and we don't have any affirmative action or dei. And they're saying we need to actually have a conversation here.

[Cedric]

Okay, I hear you.

[Steve]

I don't know. Go to Worldstar, go to Beth, go to any rap. Any single rap track with the blacks.

[Frank]

Beating up the white people.

[Cedric]

Because it's not. It's not coming across your algorithm because the system is going to show you stuff that relates to you.

[Steve]

Are we going to act like World Star is just a nightmare?

[Cedric]

Those young white kids are going to see stuff that relates to them from their point of view. So if they believe that they're being hunted, they believe people are out there.

[Steve]

If you want to see one, go to the Spirit Airlines terminal supports that.

[Cedric]

That's the algorithm. That's why I say stay off of social media. That's some bullshit. Stay off of social media.

[Steve]

It's not an algorithm.

[Cedric]

Think for yourself.

[Steve]

I agree. That's why I'm here.

[Cedric]

Talk to people that's different from you and talk to them.

[Steve]

I agree. I agree. But I don't hear a lot of.

[Cedric]

Listening to them too.

[Steve]

I am listening. I don't hear a lot of listening to young white kids. You just say, that's. That's not true. You go on.

[Frank]

I know you do have a pulse of that generation. I don't doubt that. But what I want to think, in my estimate, this is what I've observed. We are the fuse for the fight that's inevitable. We're not necessarily the problem, but we're the fuse that's trying to get lit. See, they're the sect of white people that are trying to start fights or start a. Start a revolution against black people to fight the fight that they really want to fight against other white people. See, that's what keeps getting. Getting tossed to the side and covered up. See, we're just a few. Once again, there's not enough of us to make an imprint in this country if it popped off like that. There's not enough of us. So we're the trigger. That's why you see, the random outbreaks of violence when it is a lot of times white on black, is to get the black people riled up and mad at white people so that we can go and do something to negatively affect.

[Cedric]

That's why I say white community to.

[Steve]

Get this party started.

[Frank]

Now, in the midst of them beating or trying to destroy us, now they can go fight the fight that they want to fight. Just like the thing with it with your man Charlie, that dude was mad about, like you said, he was in love with the transgender dude. He wasn't necessarily mad at Charlie, but Charlie was saying some things he ain't like. So he took upon himself to kill this man for. For saying something that he didn't like we didn't have anything to do with.

[Steve]

I didn't say you did.

[Frank]

You didn't.

[Cedric]

I know you didn't.

[Frank]

I'm not saying you, but a lot.

[Cedric]

Of people, a lot of people.

[Steve]

No, they didn't.

[Frank]

And I'm telling.

[Steve]

You, think white people are blaming Charlie Kirk's death on the community?

[Frank]

It was specific what happened.

[Steve]

Okay, I'm listening.

[Frank]

After that happened, the two years young men that went to Tennessee State set up in Charlie's, you know, in his model, his M.O. we want to have the debate, illegal aliens got to do this and DEI got to do this. Now, why would you go to a black community, to a black college, which Charlie didn't do. That wasn't his thing. He was going to big PWIs. Going sitting down with the big school. Why would these two guys go now with the country and the state of upheaval that it is, go sit on.

[Steve]

On this campus with no permits.

[Frank]

With no permits to go have a. Have a debate with people that didn't know they were coming.

[Steve]

Why is that a problem?

[Frank]

It's a problem because, number one, you didn't get the permit. You didn't even go the proper route to do it. But secondly, you knew what that was going to do at the time.

[Steve]

What is it going to do?

[Frank]

You were going to incite. You were going to incite.

[Steve]

I go into liberal campuses. I go to lesbian colleges.

[Frank]

You were going to incite unrest.

[Cedric]

This was Tennessee State University. Yeah, sure. I'll tell you what, let me go see.

[Frank]

We got a folding table in the back. I'm gonna take that table. I'm gonna go over here to this Jewish synagogue up here off the tollway and I'm gonna go sit down and I'm gonna start saying disparaging things against them. Do you think I'm gonna be allowed to sit there and stay there? No, they're gonna escort me out of that building.

[Steve]

Well, sure, if it's private property. Yeah, yeah, exactly. They had an anti black sign.

[Frank]

No, those guys said illegal attack. Something about illegal.

[Cedric]

Deport all illegals.

[Frank]

DEI is the devil.

[Cedric]

Deport all illegals. DEI is wrong or something like that.

[Frank]

Yeah, DEI is the devil or dei. But they did that to go and try and incite that group of people.

[Steve]

No, they went there for the same reason I'm here, to have a conversation.

[Frank]

That's white people going over there bothering black people.

[Cedric]

But you see how you as white.

[Frank]

People going bothering black. Then why was. Let me ask you this.

[Steve]

Before they should get a permit. I agree they should get a permit.

[Frank]

But before you why they didn't have they ass there the month before Charlie Kirk got shot. You know why? Because they didn't give a about that Tennessee state. They just wanted to go try to go somewhere to incite some unrest.

[Steve]

Or maybe they went there because they want a second. Hold on a second. Would they talk with anyone who would sit down at the table?

[Frank]

Wait, who? Those guys?

[Steve]

Yeah. Would they? I don't know.

[Frank]

They didn't get to talk.

[Steve]

That doesn't seem like incitement.

[Frank]

They ran them off to campus. Once again, before Charlie Kirk incident, they didn't have no interest in going there then. Cuz if they did, they'd have called and got him a permit.

[Steve]

Yeah, you should get a permit. But I tell you what, I've also got.

[Frank]

Just trying to get something started. Once again, you say you got your numbers. Black people jumping on white people, causing harm. But that's white people going bothering black people. That didn't have nothing to do with that. Trying to get a fight started over here with some people, they really want to fight over there. But I'm going this route.

[Steve]

How about instead of fighting, you talk with them? What?

[Frank]

You know what, you get your permit, you come back, you announce that you go be here on Tuesday the 17th and then we'll set up and then you have that. You don't just show up in the midst of this. Once again, like he said, HBCUs on high alert now. They on high alert because of this.

[Steve]

They.

[Frank]

They got to be scared because you don't.

[Steve]

Why are they on high alert?

[Cedric]

Because.

[Frank]

Because black dudes.

[Steve]

Sorry, I can't.

[Cedric]

Several of them got threatened the next day.

[Steve]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cedric]

And they had to shut campuses down here.

[Steve]

Common. Can we find some common ground? Do you understand that the threats against.

[Frank]

Black man that got hung at the cottage.

[Steve]

Did you understand that the threats against.

[Cedric]

I'm listening to you. I'm listening to.

[Steve]

The threats against conservatives since then have been far worse than the black community. Would you agree with that?

[Cedric]

I don't know because I'm not a conservative and I don't pay attention to the threats against conservatives, but I do pay attention to the threats against HBCUs, especially Southern University.

[Steve]

Yeah.

[Cedric]

And they received one after something that.

[Steve]

Didn'T have nothing to do from a race because they were black.

[Cedric]

It had.

[Frank]

It had.

[Cedric]

They received a threat direct, directly related to the Charlie Kirk thing.

[Steve]

How so? I don't know. I'm not familiar with it.

[Cedric]

That was the. That was the information put out. We received a threat to the campus relating to the Charlie Kirk incident and we're shutting campus down. And it was six different HBCUs the next day that got the same.

[Steve]

Do you mean related? Someone who would be agreeing with the shooter's ideology or Charlie Curtis?

[Frank]

We don't know.

[Cedric]

That's what I'm saying.

[Steve]

Doesn't that matter?

[Cedric]

My question is what does any of that have to do with anybody at an HBCU? Why is 6 HBCUs going on lockdown and next day behind what happened in.

[Steve]

Well, every school was on lockdown and so were churches.

[Cedric]

Not every school. Oh yeah, SM wasn't on lockdown.

[Steve]

Right. Here, just. The church had to go under lockdown. Is that a race thing?

[Cedric]

SMU wasn't, though.

[Steve]

I don't know if SMU was. I know that they. I know they cleared out.

[Frank]

Class for the day goes there.

[Steve]

He.

[Cedric]

They weren't.

[Steve]

Do you really think that since Charlie Kirk it is. Impacted the black community more than any other community?

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I didn't say that.

[Cedric]

I just said, why are we getting any.

[Steve]

You shouldn't be getting anything. Charlie Kirk shouldn't be shot.

[Cedric]

So my question is, but how is this.

[Steve]

What is it. How is this relevant?

[Cedric]

Well, because once again, that. That actually happened. It's real stuff that happens, and it creates other tensions that people start talking about. Like, okay, when. When.

[Steve]

When.

[Cedric]

When a young man is found hanging on. On the campus a couple of days after that, like, there's all kinds of.

[Frank]

See, all that did was activate.

[Steve]

It's terrible.

[Frank]

Activating pockets and cells, I think, start popping up.

[Steve]

I understand that. Yeah, there's a.

[Cedric]

There's a lot of. There's a lot. Especially in, like, Tennessee, there's a lot of them backwoods militia boys that's waiting on some. Some to pop off.

[Steve]

Nah, it's not even close. Oh, let me. Let me look. This is one thing that kind of. I know pretty well. You know, Charlie Kirk was hunted. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk was hunted. There's one other man as hunted as him, right? It's me.

[Cedric]

I agree with that.

[Steve]

And so, yes, I agree with that. You have to edit this, but there was literally a man arrested in Maryland last week who was coming for me, who had the means, the location, the. The ability, and a disturbing ties. So I will tell you this. Conservatives, people like Charlie Kirk, who, by the way, he was maligned as racist. There wasn't a racist bone in his body, if you agree with him or not. And by the way, I disagree with him in a whole lot. The fermenting of racial division and hatred is. And also gender division and hatred. Lgbtq, Throw it all in, right? But he was accused. Throw it. But, yeah, he was called a Nazi. He was called a fascist, a homopho.

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[Steve]

A racist. And that's why people were inspired to kill him, because they thought he was hateful. That's why I'm having these conversations. Cuz he wasn't hateful, but he was hunted. Someone went out and said, I want to shoot a white conservative because of who he is and because of his views. And I'm number one on that list. I've had to be on the phone with the FBI, I've had to be on the phone with multiple intelligence agencies because this is not, you're seeing, the one that got through. There have been many attempts on Charlie's life and my life because of what we do here, having a conversation. And I think we can all agree that that's something that needs to be changed. But if you take that and go, and I've condemned it totally, just like Donald Trump with white supremacists. If that happens at HBCUs, it's awful. It shouldn't happen anywhere, right? Also, no one should be kicked off of campus or beaten up, permit or not, for having a point of view. People should have a conversation.

[Cedric]

You should have been kicked off campus.

[Steve]

So you should be kicked off by the administration. But here's the other thing that happens. Let me give you a flip side of that. Smu, tcu, ut. I've gone through the process. I've gotten permits. And then you've had students. Sometimes they're black, sometimes they're lesbians. And they've complained and said, hey, we think this is hateful and had to leave campus. And you know what that does? It puts me at risk because now I don't have the place secure, even though I had the right. But someone had an opinion that offended them.

[Cedric]

But that's what I'm saying. Just like if I say, okay, if I make a statement that says, man, white people been giving it to black folks for a long Time somebody might take that and say, that's racist. You shouldn't say that.

[Steve]

Sure.

[Cedric]

I'm gonna feel like historically I got a right to say that, because, of course, that's what America has shown me.

[Steve]

Yep.

[Cedric]

And. And I'm not saying nothing against any particular white person. I'm saying in general, the white power structure has been giving it to the black folks in America for a long time.

[Steve]

You can say that.

[Cedric]

So.

[Steve]

And you should never experience violence for it. I agree.

[Cedric]

But.

[Frank]

But there's.

[Cedric]

There's certain places in time, there's.

[Derrick]

Right.

[Steve]

But.

[Cedric]

But I can say that in certain places of time that will incite violence. Because if I go out and say that in, in. In the middle of the. The Cornfield Festival, when I'm surrounded by people who don't look like me. Yeah. And I say that, then I'm gonna. I'm gonna subject myself to. To their scrutiny and their ire.

[Steve]

Like they're gonna.

[Cedric]

They're gonna be like, wait, what'd you say, boy?

[Frank]

And I would anticipate, you know, I would anticipate.

[Steve]

I think you might get some racial epithets and you might get an end bomb. You might get these. Yeah, you might get the end bomb here. I don't think. I don't think he'd get assassinated. I don't think you get a. Get out of here. It's going to be some trouble. Yeah, I know. We always know about the racist white guy.

[Derrick]

That incident that happened with Charlie, Kurt, that's a real wake up call. And I'm going tell you honestly, unless we can really have an effective discourse.

[Steve]

When it comes to our differences of.

[Derrick]

Opinion, we're going to have a bad country moving forward.

[Cedric]

People hear things, and they hear it according to their condition and what they've been conditioned to believe. So if you hear. Hear me say, white people been giving it to black people for a long time, and you've been conditioned to think that as a black man, I'm a certain type of person. Well, you're going to lean this way and you going, you're going. You're going to categorize my speech as a certain thing. But if you free thinking and you clear thinking and you can think for yourself and say, well, let me examine what he said before I label him. Because we. That's what everybody quick to do is label somebody or something.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Cedric]

Everybody got to be labeled and say, you got to be a leftist or rightist or you got to be a conservative or whatever. Like everybody's got a label.

[Frank]

Yeah.

[Cedric]

If you think for yourself and say, you know what, what he said is actually, it ain't all the way wrong. He might have said it in a up way. That's what. That's the thing that, you know, once again, no disrespect to. To the dead, but that's what I give Charlie. Charlie said a lot of in up ways, sometimes to. To certain people, like, what if you come for. From a certain black. Like, once again, if I. If I hear. If I see. If I'm on the phone with a. With a customer service representative that's a moronic black woman. Well, okay, I'm. I'm gonna hear that statement and saying, well, I get that you might think just anybody working in customer service may be veronic, but you didn't have to point out.

[Steve]

But what did he say that was messed up?

[Cedric]

So to black women, it's gonna be a long way.

[Steve]

Oh, you're talking about that quote. So here's something that's important, right? Because Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Let's be clear about this, and we're both agreeing because people believed a lie. He never said black women were moronic. He never said that. He said it specifically about Ketanji Brown Jackson or Jackson Lee, about three black women who said, I'm here because of dei. He said, if you're saying, I agree. I don't think you're smart enough for that job because they're not great, in his opinion. He said, I agree with your statement. He never said black. He had black women who worked the.

[Cedric]

Exact court quote he used. I watched. I watched the interview where he was talking to this blonde lady. I forgot her name, but Megan Kelly.

[Steve]

If.

[Cedric]

No, it wasn't Megan Kelly. She's ugly. It was. It was another.

[Steve]

She's gonna see this.

[Cedric]

I don't. I want her to see it. She's a.

[Steve]

She's.

[Cedric]

Anyway, so he was on. He was on a video call side by side with a lady, and he said, if I'm on a customer service call with a woman at. She's a moronic black woman. That's his exact words, bro. I'm not paraphrasing or nothing. I'm using his exact verbiage. That's what he said. If I'm on the phone with a customer service agent and she's a moronic black woman.

[Steve]

Yeah.

[Cedric]

What am I to think that she got there based on dei?

[Steve]

Yes.

[Cedric]

Right.

[Steve]

So the context is he's saying, if I'm on the phone with someone who would be in a DEI class who sounds like an Idiot. And this is, by the way, I had this exact similar conversation with the girl at UT where she said, I would never be at UT if not for affirmative action. I said, affirmative action. And I believe it. Affirmative action is racist by its definition. My opinion, it excludes on race. That is a form of racism. So anyway, she sat down, she said, young black girl, she said, but if it wasn't for affirmative action, she said, I wouldn't be here at ut. I said, why do you say that? She said, well, because I wouldn't be allowed. I said, well, what were your SATs? I remember the numbers that were very impressive. I said, what was your GPA? It was very impressive. It was over 4%. I said, that's really sad to me that you don't know and you'll never know that you deserve to be here. Because I can tell you based on if you're telling me the truth, you, of course, would get into UT and you didn't need a government program. And you could see in her face, her tears welled up because she had been told that she needed someone else to give it to her. And that removed her sense of pride in her accomplishments. So I said the exact same thing as Charlie did, saying you can never know if you earned it a meritocracy because of dei. And she changed her mind. And she said, you know what? I should be here, and I don't need DEI or affirmative action in that.

[Derrick]

Case, in order to believe that.

[Cedric]

Yeah, in that particular.

[Steve]

And certainly not from a white guy.

[Cedric]

In that particular instance, it might have been. It might have been completely accurate. But there's also, if you. If you want to acknowledge that there's a flip side to the coin. Sure. Right. There's also a lot of people who had the qualifications who didn't get the access because once again, their name appeared wrong on the. On the resume. Your name was Katanji. Well, we know who that is. Let's go with Alice.

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Yeah.

[Steve]

She is an idiot. And she got the job because that's.

[Cedric]

Why affirmative action had to be instituted in the first place. Now, did it operate correctly all the time? No, but that's what I'm saying. Just because it didn't operate correctly all the time, you're going to take the few instances where it didn't and make.

[Steve]

That the majority of what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk. I agree. What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk was making a point. And the point that he was making, I'm trying to say, is the same point that I was making where this black girl agreed with it, where he was saying, if you say that I'm only here because of dei, then I am going to believe you. That's what he's saying, and that's a valid point.

[Cedric]

And it's not hateful in doing that. You have the responsibility, in your words, to not have to say the words moronic black woman. You could have just said, if I'm on like, like you said, you just perfectly summed it up. If I'm on the phone with a customer service agent and she's a moron, perfect. Why does she have to be qualified as black?

[Steve]

Because he was addressing dei. That's the point.

[Cedric]

But do you understand how that's gonna affect somebody who hears it?

[Steve]

No, my point is. Okay, then I'm insensitive. If someone is addressing DEI in a conversation and is asked about it where race is relevant, as per the policy dei, it exists based on race. You can't blame someone for acknowledging the race in criticizing the policy.

[Cedric]

But the policy was created because race was being used to exclude.

[Steve]

Fine, then don't say that. It's wrong for him to acknowledge the race. He was making the point about a race based initiative. That's why he enjoyed the race.

[Cedric]

You see, the choice in words he had to use. And once again, our responsibility and our choice of words is what creates a response in other people. I could say certain things to you the way I say it can.

[Steve]

Sure.

[Cedric]

Either it can either give you a good vibe or a bad one and you don't respond a certain way.

[Steve]

Yeah, but who cares? That doesn't make someone a racist.

[Cedric]

It doesn't. But I'm saying when, when, when people. When people do things knowing that we're in a heightened inflammatory time and you do it, and you do it on purpose and just stand behind. I'm. Whatever. It don't make me a racist. But I'm saying that y' all ain't. Whatever.

[Steve]

But he never said that.

[Cedric]

Whatever.

[Steve]

That matters. Because believing those lies is why someone.

[Cedric]

Killed women in a certain context. And then I'm not expecting nobody to get upset by that.

[Steve]

Let me. I do have to, but let me just. Because Charlie Kirk is a big thing. Let me just kind of. Maybe if you can just listen to this, because this is important and I've been through it. And you're just seeing the actual murder that got through.

[Cedric]

Right.

[Steve]

I mean, I've had concrete milkshakes, someone trying to bash, move out with a rock. I've had people try to Firebomb my car, slash my tires. I've had two terrorists show up from Yemen by way of Sweden to the local pd, Showed up like, actually, I'm on the ISIS kill list. It's a real thing, Charles.

[Frank]

All the stuff Dr. King and Malcolm X was dealing with. Go ahead, finish.

[Steve]

Sure. Great.

[Frank]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Steve]

And I think it was wrong that he was taking. Probably the CIA involvement too. I think we probably all agree on that, but mlk, right?

[Frank]

Yeah, it's wrong.

[Steve]

We can say it's all wrong. But if you add it up, okay, where you believe the lie that he said something racist, let's just take that, okay? There's some hate put out there against Charlie Kirk. That's. That's not true. If someone believes a lie that he wants to erase trans people, that's what the people are also told. He wants to erase trans people, which is a lie. That person hates him too. If someone believes that he's a fascist or he's a Nazi who doesn't believe we should hold democratic elections, which is a lie, and people believe that, hey, that adds another piece of hatred and justification too. If someone believes that he's a misogynist, a sexist who doesn't think that women should be allowed to vote or have the right to earn their place in the workplace, that's not. And every single one of them is dishonest. Just like no one here knew that Donald Trump said, I condemn white supremacists and neo Nazis.

[Frank]

Totally.

[Steve]

So.

[Cedric]

And I still don't know that he said it. I hear you saying he said it, but I'd have to go see it in order to know.

[Steve]

Okay? So let's assume for a second that I'm not lying. And right after this, I make the references available always. And you see that. And let's assume that I'm not lying and Charlie Kirk wasn't racist and let's assume that he didn't want to commit genocide against trans people. And let's assume for a second that I'm not lying and there's a 12 times murder rate from black toward white people as opposed to white toward. Let's assume that I'm not lying about any of this because I'm kind of good at it and I know these numbers and it's what I do. Wouldn't we acknowledge that? Hey, why? Why do so many people believe these lies? I guarantee you this right here, this conversation, you will read in the media that this was racist because I sat.

[Cedric]

Down, discuss race issues.

[Steve]

Because I sat down and argued with Black people. I have been accused of being a Nazi because of sitting down and having conversations. Well, you should know that's offensive. That's not my responsibility. I'm actually having a conversation. Conversation. And so did Charlie and he was shot for it and vilified for it.

[Frank]

And wrongly and wrong.

[Cedric]

Yeah, wrongly. And nobody.

[Steve]

But it's because people believe the lie.

[Cedric]

But that's, that's my point. It's because the, the way, the way information is propagate, propagated and, and given to people.

[Derrick]

Yeah.

[Cedric]

Once again via social media, all these other platforms and, and most of it is disinformation.

[Steve]

I agree.

[Cedric]

So that's the root of the problem, is giving people the wrong information and then they responding to this wrong information by feeling a certain way about the people that that information is informing them about.

[Steve]

Yep.

[Cedric]

So then you have crazy people responding to misinformation and that's where we at. We're a bunch of crazy people, bunch of shook up soda cans waiting to pop over some bad information.

[Steve]

Yeah, I hear something.

[Derrick]

If I may though, and this is the only part, you know, as it relates to the Charlie Kirk situation. The only thing I think we kind of get getting the mixed message in that is as I said again, it was a young white man that killed Charlie Kirk for his personal issues. Whatever those, whatever those ideologies that may have been to cause a few of his violence. It wasn't a black man who said, I don't like what he's saying. Nevertheless, he has said that, you know, Ketanji, Brown, Jackson, what's that? Young lady, Michelle Obama, all these people, DEI highs. In other words, we respond differently because we have got so accustomed to it in terms of what I, what's believed about us or perceived about us. So we just know, hey, at tomorrow it'll be another sound bite on some other. You understand what I'm talking about? So we're not going to react the same way. So I think we got to acknowledge the fact that, hey, you know what, there may need to be a change in the conversation overall as it relates to what the really, what's really in hell going on with white black America. That's why I say, I just need you to kind of just. And Steve, when I say this, it's not a challenge, but I got to ask you, you got to tell me these sources where you're getting this 12 times more likely a black man killing a white person. I got to know that not because it's contradictory, but because I like to have facts get out the Source.

[Steve]

I'll give them to you. Yeah. When we do it, we always give a QR code where you can see all of them. These are coming from either the FBI.

[Derrick]

Or N. You say QR code and see. And that's a blind.

[Steve]

I know. That's what I'm saying. I have to print it on rail and ship it, by the way. You want to hear funny, True Hand of God. I dated a girl in college whose dad was at. He was at an airport, and next to him was Stevie Wonder. He was reading a Playboy in Braille. I was like, I guess he had to do that one handed. I don't know how you use a Playboy in braille, but hey, man, black.

[Derrick]

People, we love sex. That's our only connection to the rest of society.

[Steve]

In the airport, Stevie Wonder, Playboy in Braille.

[Derrick]

He's like, the 8,000 had 11 children. Go figure.

[Steve]

All right.

[Cedric]

No, I will.

[Derrick]

It's been a pleasure.

[Steve]

Hey, Cedric, Thanks. I gotta get going too. Thank you, man. Now that I know you're blind, I'm gonna.

[Derrick]

Thank you for everything, man. Continue your discourse, man. Because this is the only way we're gonna really get.

[Steve]

No, I agree.

[Derrick]

We gotta talk about it first. So let's create the dialogue.

[Steve]

Yeah. And I came in hot because, you know, my friends are getting killed, so.

[Derrick]

Absolutely, man.

[Steve]

But I appreciate it.

[Derrick]

Sure.

[Steve]

Thank you guys. And hopefully we can. Thank you for having.

[Derrick]

Do what you do, man. When your life is on the line all the time. I mean, come on, that's not something to scarf. You think about the possibility of losing your children. This might.

[Cedric]

This might be the cure. If we can. If we can do it in a way that. You know what I'm saying? Like, keep it.

[Steve]

Yeah.

[Cedric]

In a way that. That people don't get all up in arms about it.

[Steve]

Yeah. That's why I'm doing it. That's what I'm trying. Yeah. And I know, I know we're never going to agree on everything. We probably might not agree on anything. That's all right.

[Frank]

But at least had a conversation.

[Cedric]

At least had a conversation, man.

[Derrick]

It's been a pleasure, man.

[Steve]

Yes, sir. Yes.

[Derrick]

Nobody walks away from the conversation and.

[Cedric]

Doing wrong by the others.

[Steve]

Watch. I'm gonna walk out of here. That white mother.

[Cedric]

Yeah.

[Derrick]

Don't leave no mics behind.

[Cedric]

I'm gonna tell you that.

[Steve]

Well, there you have it. What do you make of what you just watched? Assuming you watched both installments, do you think there's hope that we're on the path toward reconciliation or are we completely cooked? Comment below. And if you like these kinds of conversations or the Change My Minds or the Daily Show Weekdays 11am Eastern and you want to see more, you don't want the lights to turn off, please do consider supporting by subscribing to Rumble Premium. The link is in the description or just tune in daily at 11am it's what keeps the lights on. Until next time, this has been black and white on the gray issues.