Hidden Origins of Feminism: Socialists, Polygamists & Con Artists | Ash Wednesday with Rachel Wilson

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Hidden Origins of Feminism: Socialists, Polygamists & Con Artists"

Louder with Crowder | Guest: Rachel Wilson | March 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Steven Crowder (off-mic; Andrew is the primary co-host) welcomes Rachel Wilson, author of Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women's Liberation and recent Joe Rogan guest, for a provocative deep dive into the true history and origins of the feminist movement. The conversation challenges mainstream narratives about women’s suffrage, the motivations behind early feminism, and its impact on society, family, and the individual. Rachel presents extensive research from her book, arguing that the roots of modern feminism are not as “organic” or benevolent as commonly believed—instead, they're laced with socialist agendas, occult influences, and driven by powerful interests seeking to reshape American society.

Aimed at listeners skeptical of the standard progressive history, this episode is both a critique of feminist orthodoxy and a call to reconsider how we understand women's roles, happiness, and societal change.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rachel Wilson’s Background & Feminist Mythbusting

[01:43 - 04:56]

• Rachel discusses her background, recent popularity (including a Joe Rogan appearance), and the success of her self-published book “Occult Feminism.”
• She explains growing up as a tomboy and firsthand experiences on the differences between boys and girls, challenging pop culture’s "girl power" narrative.

"You actually find out that you're very different from the boys and that you cannot do the same things the boys can do in the same way..."
— Rachel Wilson [03:01]

2. The Real History Behind Women’s Suffrage

[05:16 - 14:22]

• Rachel asserts that widespread support for women’s suffrage was not as grassroots or female-led as portrayed; most women were actually against getting the vote for decades.
• Early referendums repeatedly showed women's lack of interest or direct opposition to suffrage.
• Core support came from unlikely and controversial sources: socialists, polygamists (notably Mormons in Utah), and those seeking to upend traditional family structures.

"Throughout the whole first wave suffrage movement... it was deeply unpopular with all of America, but especially with women."
— Rachel Wilson [07:12]

• Many rights/laws (education, property, inheritance) were already available to women, contrary to post-feminist narratives.

"Women could own stuff... There was never any prohibition on women being educated. In fact, most women were more educated than most men in this time period..."
— Rachel Wilson [09:44]

• Voting was never truly “universal” for men either; myriad restrictions applied (property, literacy, race, religion, age, service requirements).

3. Propaganda, Social Pressures, and How Voting Rights Shifted

[14:27 - 25:46]

• The passage of the 19th Amendment was a result of relentless propaganda and new incentives (e.g., adding women to the workforce, dividing the household vote).
• Early anti-suffragists believed voting would compromise women’s moral authority and embroil them in corrupt politics.

"They felt they had a moral high ground... you're not just another voting bloc that politicians are gonna campaign and pander to..."
— Rachel Wilson [14:51]

• Rachel critiques how modern analysis judges the past with "presentist" perspectives, which distort context and actual female attitudes.

4. The Impact of Industrialization & Corporate Interests

[27:00 - 29:54]

• Brings up industrialists like the Carnegie family, who funded early leftist and feminist publications, not out of benevolence but to further their own aims (cheap labor, divided family authority, more taxpayers).
• Rachel traces the alliances between business and radical social figures, claiming that the “liberation” of women has deep roots in elite manipulation.

"The same guys that met in secret at the Jekyll Island Club to create the income tax, the Federal Reserve act... are the same guys who pushed the 19th through."
— Rachel Wilson [27:01]

5. Occult, Con Artists, and Feminist Figures

[32:26 - 35:26]

• Many prominent feminist leaders connected to spiritualism, occultism, fake séances, and literal con artistry. Not all were occult believers—some used it as a vehicle for influence.
• Helen Keller is discussed as a possible hagiographic legend, reinforcing the theme that mainstream tales are not always what they seem.

"Some of them firmly believed [in the occult]... but a lot of them claim to be automatic writers or spiritualists... as a way to get in with business guys and get funding."
— Rachel Wilson [32:45]

6. Feminism’s Legacy on Modern Society—Women’s Wellbeing & Voting Patterns

[41:01 - 47:51]

• Rachel argues feminism has made women less happy (“fatter, sicker, lonelier, more antidepressants, unhappy” [46:04]) and harmed children by undermining the family.
• Outlines how women, particularly white middle-class women, now outvote men and consistently support bigger government, immigration, and welfare—policies often at odds with traditional family interests.

"No, not at all... when you convince mothers and married women to join the workforce... you get cheap labor, tax two people, children to state schools, and women voting against their husband's interests."
— Rachel Wilson [41:08]

• Discusses the effect of political propaganda on women and recounts personal anecdotes of women voting on shallow talking points.

7. Women’s Regret and Red Pill/Trad Wife Momentum

[46:36 - 47:56]

• Rachel reveals she regularly receives messages from older women lamenting that feminism “got” them: career-focused, childless, unfulfilled in old age.
• She also hears from young women wanting to choose a traditional path but fearing social and family pressure.

"So many messages from women in their 60s... saying, I fell for this crap. I fully believed it."
— Rachel Wilson [47:56]

8. Practical Advice for Modern Women & Men

[49:00 - 64:15]

• Rachel directly addresses young women: Don’t believe that the only empowering, fulfilling path is careerism and rejecting marital/maternal life—these are myths propagated by broken, unhappy feminist leaders.
• She describes feminist thought-leaders (e.g., Simone de Beauvoir) as unhappy, even predatory, with little appeal as role models.
• Praises the “Meemaw” (grandmother/family matriarch) model as far more satisfying for most women.
• Shares her own behavioral transformation and credits her husband Andrew for setting healthy boundaries—urges women to be accountable and receptive to correction.

"It's the attitude. I had to find this out too... women aren't born great wives and men aren't born great husbands..."
— Rachel Wilson [54:16]

• Advice for men: seek women who can admit fault and respect male leadership rather than constant opposition.

"Number one thing to look for in a woman: if she will say she's sorry... If you find one that is willing to admit when she's wrong, that's a big green flag."
— Rachel Wilson [60:54]

• Advice for women: seek men who are “good dad material”—not just domestically compliant, but able to calmly take charge in crisis and protect the family's interests.

"What you don't want... is the guy who will take out the trash and do whatever you say... If you get that guy, you will be drier than the Sahara for the rest of your life..."
— Rachel Wilson [63:46]

9. Female Insecurity, Peer Pressure & Cultural Programming

[57:13 - 58:12]

• Women face heavy social penalties for going against the mainstream; tradition/family is denigrated, while pop culture celebrates independence and rebellion. Rachel urges women to critically assess who their actual role models should be.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Popular Narrative of Feminism:
  “Most of what the public believes about the history of women's rights is historically inaccurate at best, and blatant lies and propaganda at worst.” [73:46]

• On Women's True Preferences & Regrets:
  “I get so many messages from women in their 60s and even in their 70s, saying, I fell for this crap. I fully believed it. And I'm in my 60s. I have no kids, I have no husband. I just retired from my corporate job that I never really liked. I kind of got stuck, and here I am.” [47:56]

• On Accountability in Women:
  “The number one thing to look for in a woman is if she will say she’s sorry. Because women have this deeply ingrained, you're perfect the way you are... and we've removed all the accountability.” [60:54]

• On Male Leadership & Relationship Dynamics:
  “You want a guy, a virtuous man with warlord potential. You want a monster who doesn't act on it.” [63:46]

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Important Timestamps

• Rachel’s Book & Tomboy Childhood: [01:43 - 04:56]
• Debunking Women’s Suffrage Myths: [05:16 - 14:22]
• Propaganda & Universal Suffrage Issues: [14:27 - 25:46]
• Industrialists, Feminism & Elite Motives: [27:00 - 29:54]
• Occult, Con Artists in Feminism’s Roots: [32:26 - 35:26]
• Modern Effects: Happiness & Voting: [41:01 - 47:51]
• Advice on Relationships & Role Models: [49:00 - 64:15]
• Female Social Pressures: [57:13 - 58:12]

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Final Thoughts

Rachel Wilson’s interview on Louder with Crowder presents a thoroughly researched and ideologically charged alternative history of feminism and its real-world consequences. The episode sharply critiques the accepted storylines of progress, women’s liberation, and “empowerment,” arguing that many women—when told the unvarnished truth—begin to question modern doctrine. Rachel’s perspective combines a call for historical revisionism, traditionalism, and practical advice for young people seeking genuine fulfillment in a society shaped by what she calls “a century of propaganda.”

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➔ For debates or further research on these topics, Rachel and Andrew’s “Debate University” course and her book Occult Feminism: The Secret History of Women’s Liberation are frequently referenced as resources.

“You aren't going to be young and sexy forever. Think about who your role models really are—do you want to be Simone de Beauvoir, or do you want to be your grandma?”
— Rachel Wilson [51:59]

Transcript

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[Andrew]

See, Tool man, I looked at the right camera. Yeah. So, Ash, this is one time where we change the set and I don't have the microphone though. Where we change the set and I always want to. That's usually my camera, but I'm looking at this camera. But this is not the camera you need to worry about. Our guest today is one half of the Wilsons Brother sister act. It's a duo act. She was on Joe Rogan and a lot of people watched. A lot of people tuned in, learned a lot about the history of feminism, Rage for patriarchy on X. And her book, you have their Occult feminism, the Secret history. Oh, it's.

[Rachel Wilson]

Oh, here.

[Andrew]

I was saying, where's your book? It's right there. Rachel Wilson. How are you?

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm good. How are you?

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Rachel Wilson]

Am I doing it right?

[Andrew]

No, you're getting close.

[Rachel Wilson]

All right, look, I'll learn as we go.

[Andrew]

This is the first time, actually we've had a woman on Ash. You asked me like, do you usually have women? I'm like, I just never really even thought of it.

[Rachel Wilson]

This will make the feminist so mad.

[Andrew]

Mm.

[Rachel Wilson]

Oh, she thinks she can just do stuff with the boys.

[Andrew]

Yeah, like Demi Moore and the Pick Me.

[Rachel Wilson]

What a Pick Me.

[Andrew]

Yeah, that's what they'll do. But the truth is, that did happen. There were a bunch of. Remember, it was a big thing for models to smoke cigars. And they're like Christie Brinkley and Demi Moore, like GI Jane. And she's like, I just love snugging with the boys. I remember reading in a magazine, like a cigar magazine, said, what's your favorite cigar? She was like, I really like a torpedo. That's a shape. A torpedo is a shape of a cigar. It's not an actual brand. Like, it's just like, this is a. I don't know. This is like a Churchill. That's Robusto, just different sizes.

[Rachel Wilson]

They were like, what kind of. What's your favorite gun to carry? And she was like, I like a 9 millimeter.

[Andrew]

Yeah, exactly. I like a 9 millimeter. I like one that I hold in my hand. You ever see GI Jane? That's a per. That's a perfect way to start this off. What a piece of that movie was

[Rachel Wilson]

that came out when I was in high school. Oh. So, yes.

[Andrew]

Did you believe it? Did you believe when you. When she's like. She puts down her gun, I'm like, okay. With her own sergeant?

[Rachel Wilson]

No, I didn't believe it at all. And here's why. And I think this. This was a big benefit to me growing up. I grew up out in the country on farms with boys. I was a tomboy myself. And when you grow up in the creek, you know, trying to catch crawfish with boys, or they throw you in the pits in on the farm, on the dairy farm or whatever, you try to go hunting with them and stuff like that, you actually find out that you're very different from the boys and that you cannot do the same things the boys can do in the same way that the boys can do it. Whereas I think if you're like a city girl and you grow up really insulated from that, you really think that you can, like, you know, fight a 6 foot 2 ice agent in the streets of Minneapolis.

[Andrew]

You watch the ballerina and you're like, it does make just as much sense as John Wick. Basically, it's the same. But I, to be fair, I do think you probably fare better in the pits than I would, because I don't even know what that means.

[Rachel Wilson]

Oh, is it? Oh, yes. On dairy farms, there's troughs that run behind all the cows, and all of the waste liquid and solid just runs down and it goes into a huge pit. And then they suck it up and spray it on the corn fields for fertilizer. So you have these huge pits of just cow pee and poop that are just sitting there fermenting. And some of my friends thought it would be a really funny thing to do to pick me up and throw me in it. That was good times.

[Andrew]

So it's like Carrie with Yes instead of pig's butt and it's aptly named. It's a little on the nose, but now you learn something new every time. And speaking of learning something new, here we have your book and hopefully you've been selling a lot of copies since sitting down with Joe.

[Rachel Wilson]

Been doing very well.

[Andrew]

Good.

[Rachel Wilson]

I think we cracked the top 50 in books overall on Amazon, which is kind of unheard of for a self published book.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Isn't that kind of funny too? You would think it'd be all self published, but there still are a few kind of major publishers that tend to dominate.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah. Most of the top 100 is all mainline published stuff, not self published stuff on Amazon even. So.

[Andrew]

Well, let me.

[Rachel Wilson]

Pretty crazy.

[Andrew]

Let me get the generic stuff out of the way as far as. But I do, I do think this is something. It sounds generic, but for people who are tuning in, like, I'm sure you run into this. It's kind of old hat for you because you've been doing this for so long, but you must pretty often still run into someone who's just shocked when you deliver the first bits of information. Like on women's suffrage, the 19th.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

So for people who may be new and I can't recommend the book enough, I mean, it's pretty meticulously researched. I know it took you a long, a long time to do. Let's start with this. What do you think? What's the single biggest thing that people, and in particular women, get wrong about? Let's start with women's suffrage. The right to vote.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

What do you think is the biggest misconception?

[Rachel Wilson]

Well, everybody assumes that the reason there was a push to give women suffrage is because women demanded it.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

That it was a grassroots thing, that women looked around and went, oh my God, we're oppressed. This is terrible. We need.

[Andrew]

This is a good impression of the women, though.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah. Oh my gosh.

[Andrew]

Lips that touch liquor will never touch ours.

[Rachel Wilson]

Like, oh, your lips that touch wine should never touch mine.

[Andrew]

Sore riddled, scurvy lips. Whatever will I do?

[Rachel Wilson]

Not you. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody looked at Susan B. Anthony and they were like, darn, I wish that she. I wish she would, you know, was more into guys. Yeah. I'm sure everybody was.

[Andrew]

I'm sure there was like a token black back then who was like, susan B. Anthony got a fat ass.

[Rachel Wilson]

Probably. Probably. Actually a lot of the suffrage movement kind of overlapped with and piggybacked off of like a lot of the blacks. Rights. Civil rights stuff.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

Post civil War, which a lot of those people did not appreciate. They were like, why are these rich white, like urban women.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

Trying to like throw their plight in with us and act like they're oppressed.

[Andrew]

Oh, they always do that. That was when it was.

[Rachel Wilson]

They're doing it now.

[Andrew]

Prop 8 with gay marriage. They're like, it's just like civil rights. And I was like, don't compare the plight like a slavery. Obviously horrible, obviously wrong. And doesn't mean that I support reparations. But yes, slavery is objectively bad. Don't compare that to friction.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

So they always do that. But let's go back to. Because we just because I got off with a pseudo Tracy Morgan most. So it wasn't coming from women.

[Rachel Wilson]

No.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Explain to people. Because everyone thinks, well, women wanted it and men were like, no, no.

[Rachel Wilson]

So they had a big PR problem. Throughout the whole first wave suffrage movement through the 1800s, it was not popular. It was deeply unpopular with all of America, but especially with women. In fact, in the history of women's suffrage, Susan B. Anthony said, and Elizabeth Stady Canton as well said, they said we'd never get this passed if it was up to women.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

If it was just women voting on it, we would never get it passed. In fact, they had a lot of early referendums in certain states. Like in Massachusetts, they had a big one where it was like only 4% of eligible women who could vote in the referendum on whether they wanted the vote on the ballot at all even bothered to show up. And the ones that did show up voted for it, but it was like a tiny minority. And every time they would poll or you know, let women vote in referendums, they would say no. I mean it was like deeply, deeply unpopular. And there was more women who were groups of members of anti suffrage groups than pro suffrage groups until like right before the passage of the 19th.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

And so it took them like 75 years of non stop propaganda to even get half of women on board with it. And they had really good reasons.

[Andrew]

So that was going to be my next question for people who don't know why. Because I remember the first time I heard this. I know we referenced her. Karen Straughan was around, she's Canadian, a long time ago in a similar space to what you do. But I mean I would. And this is not at all a slight to her. She's great. I highly recommend people check her out, but not as thorough, I would say, in looking at your book. Why? Because it shocks a lot of people as to they go, well why wouldn't women want the right to vote? That makes no sense.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, and that's because we look back at history through a presentist lens. We're looking at things that happened 100, 150 years ago through our 2026 eyes with our. All of our preconceptions about what rights are and about what America is and what democracy looks like and all that sort of thing. But we're talking the mid to late 1800s. Women in the United States already felt that they had kind of a privileged position over men because a lot of states had laws in place. For example, like New York, if you were a wealthy woman and you entered into marriage, you had a lot of protections for whatever your inheritance was, whatever things you already owned. Yes. Women could own stuff. You always hear this like, oh, women couldn't own anything. They weren't real people. They were chained to the stove. They couldn't leave the house. None of them could read. They were all uneducated. Totally, totally bull. Lies. That's. None of that's true.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

So I carefully debunk all of that in the book, and I use the actual writings of suffragists at the time to prove it. So it's not my opinion.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

So if you don't like it or you think I'm wrong, you'll have to take it up with, you know, Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton and all of the other prominent suffragists who were writing at the time and saying, we cannot get women on board with this because they already have everything they want. Pretty much. They can go to school. There was never any prohibition on women being educated. In fact, most women were more educated than most men in this time period because they were the ones who generally taught children. We didn't have the compulsory public education system yet, so it was usually mothers, ladies in your hometown who were teaching the kids how to read and things like that. Whereas men usually. You're going out to work on the farm or in the coal fields or something like this, the sh T. Pits. Or you're going off to war or something like that. So boys.

[Andrew]

Another form of shit pit.

[Rachel Wilson]

But yes, boys would do, like fifth grade.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

Reading, writing, arithmetic. If they can kind of sort of read signs, that's good enough.

[Andrew]

I still have. I've told the story before. I need to find it. I still have my. My maternal grandfather's pool cube. He. I think. Think exactly what you just said. I think fifth grade, maybe fourth grade. And he hustled pool halls during the Great Depression to Support his family. And I have it. It's one of those screwed together pool cues. It's kind of bent. That's what fed the family.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And there were women in the family. They weren't hustling pool. And sometimes, like you said, we're so removed. It's that seventh day presentist view. Blame Ellen G. White. Looking back. But, but, but, yes, that's. So they felt privileged.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes, they felt privileged. They felt like they had a lot of people.

[Andrew]

Can I devil's advocate just so. Cause I know what people are gonna say. There were a couple of Ivy League schools that were like, it's only for those with cocks. Right?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but it wasn't a lot.

[Rachel Wilson]

You couldn't go to Harvard and do like certain doctorate programs, Right? Sure. Okay. But you had. This is what feminists will do. So like the whole history, the reason it's presented a certain way, the reason we've all heard the same story about it, is because of all the PR problems. So the real support for early suffrages came from socialists, it came from polygamists, it came from people who wanted to legalize prostitution. It came from a lot of, you know, sources that especially back then were seen as like kind of beneath most people, like down in the mud kind of thing. And so, yeah, I guess there were some things that maybe some women weren't allowed to do. But it's always. But nobody ever talks about it as though. Yeah, that was the case for everyone.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

Most men couldn't get into those programs. Most men couldn't vote until right before most women couldn't vote.

[Andrew]

Can you explain that to people? Because I've covered that in the show, but sort of, you know, in passing. Yeah, that this is a very new concept, the idea that voting. People just say, like universal suffrage. Just break that down. Universal voting, meaning you live in said location, therefore you're entitled to a say.

[Rachel Wilson]

Right.

[Andrew]

That was almost never the case historically and wasn't the case in the United States. Can you kind of fill people in on some of the expectations or responsibilities that needed to be met even by men in order to vote?

[Rachel Wilson]

Well, it depended on the place because especially at this time period, states rights were more important. And so it depended the state or territory that you were in. Like Wyoming gave women the right to vote early in order to be able to become a state. So it wasn't so much that they were like, oh, we just really care about these broads opinions. It was more like, we need the numbers.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

So same thing with Utah with the Mormons they wanted to keep polygamy legal, so they granted early women's voting rights and things like that. But most men, in most states, there were restrictions. It could be anything from a poll tax, which if you couldn't afford, you couldn't vote. Too bad for you. A literacy test, a civics test, religious requirements. In some states you had to at least proclaim some kind of Christian faith or maybe even a specific denomination, depending on where you were. Age restrictions, racial restrictions.

[Andrew]

There were a lot of, obviously the draft. And even, I think some, Some states had mandatory bucket duty. Volunteer firefighter service.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

That's another form of draft.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

What was the other? Sometimes it was property ownership.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yep. Property ownership.

[Andrew]

In other words, you couldn't just be a renter who didn't serve your country, who paid no taxes, who couldn't read. God forbid you were black. I'm joking. But not really. That's what they said. That's. That's a bang on impression. But no. Yeah, that's the thing. And there was even a period of time where some, Some women were able to vote.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

In certain states.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yep.

[Andrew]

Where they didn't have to meet requirements while men in said location couldn't vote.

[Rachel Wilson]

Right, yeah, yeah, exactly. So we have this perception, and the reason we have this perception is because of gender studies departments and because of, you know, women's lib propaganda. The propaganda machine that we're fighting here is a century and billions and billions of dollars and help from the CIA on top of it. So it's. It's quite the mountain to climb. It's. There's a big barrier to breaking down all these myths and lies and trying to correct the historical record. Because I think if most people knew these things, they would just have a different opinion. Not saying they would say, put all the women back in the kitchen and take away their right to vote. I'm saying they would at least have a more. More accurate perception of how things unfolded, why they unfolded that way. And like you said, let's play devil's advocate. And why did women say they didn't want the right to vote? Well, there's a couple of really good reasons. They, these women were not stupid. They were quite prescient. And they said the biggest reason is they felt they had a moral high ground. Because when you can't vote, you can't be bribed, you can't be politicized. You're not just another voting bloc that, you know, politicians are gonna campaign and pander to and tell you whatever you want to hear. So you'll vote. And then when they get in, they do whatever they want, which is what we always get. Right. So back then, like, women got prohibition passed. Terrible idea.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

But they were able to do it without voting rights because they went to their, you know, people in Congress and they said, we don't like this. This is what we want. You need to listen to us. Because we have this more moral high ground as apolitical citizens. We want to be listened to. We demand to be heard. So they did have a voice, this idea that women couldn't speak in public. My other favorite one is, well, Rachel, you're benefiting from feminism by being on Stephen's show right now. You couldn't have done that back then.

[Andrew]

I don't think anyone's saying that, but continue with the thought.

[Rachel Wilson]

I get told this all the time, not this show, that I wouldn't be able to be here. I wouldn't be able to be on a podcast or write a book. Well, then explain. Explain to me how Mary Wollstonecraft was gallivanting around Europe in the 1700s, having children out of wedlock, having threesomes with her employers, having, you know, all kinds of sordid activities that the whole public knew about. And was there some stigma? Sure. Did anybody throw her in jail? Did anybody chain her to a stove or lock her in the kitchen? No, she was making money. She had people supporting her and giving her money and buying her pamphlets and her tracks and paying her to do speeches in the 1700s. So women were not like these helpless little pets that they've been made out to be. They never were. That's just a historical myth. And they'll take things like the fact that education was not co ed yet. So like they had women's universities. Some of the first colleges in this country were women's seminaries and women's universities. A lot of women had access to higher education before men did in America, but because they separated it and they had like men's institutions and women's institutions, feminists will say we didn't have equal access. So they use sneaky tactics and they twist the language to make it sound a certain way when that's not.

[Andrew]

And then you end up with a period of time where the men's universities are co ed and they're still women's only universities. Well, it's like Curves for universities. You have your completely owners own university and we gotta share ours. Which by the way, how long do you think before like an all men's gym, like Curves turns into a gay Bar. That's why it can't be done.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably. Right. And. And curves failed because. Did it fail?

[Andrew]

Yeah, there are no more curves. No. What have I been peeping through with my binoculars these last few months? I think it's Talbots.

[Rachel Wilson]

I don't know Talbots. Oh, Lord. Yeah, that's rough. Well, you know, it takes away a lot of the incentive to go to an all female gym because who are you going to do your Romanian deadlifts and your booty shorts in front of the other, by the way?

[Andrew]

People don't know this. I saw you try and throw it out there for Joe Rogan. We'll get back. But you've done. You've lifted for a while. You did actual powerlifting for a while. What were your. Some of your big lifts or you just give me the ones that are. No, but still, I've heard them. I don't remember them, but they're impressive for a lady.

[Rachel Wilson]

My one rep max. Is that my top records for myself, I think 155 bench press, 325 deadlift and 225 squat.

[Andrew]

That's pretty impressive. I mean that deadlift, that's two. That's two members of one Direction. You should pull them up off the floor and toss them out the window probably.

[Rachel Wilson]

Hex bar deadlift. Put one on each side.

[Andrew]

It's actually, I will tell you this, that's actually bad. I would say the hex bar deadlift is much less safe than a straight bar. A lot of people don't realize, they think it's easier because you don't, you know, you don't end up with the same kind of torque on your spine. Yeah, the problem is with a straight bar, it actually braces. There's a push, pull against your body. I have seen so many people with a hex bar deadlift be careless. And at the top there's that wobble.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You know, and I'm like, oh, they don't take that.

[Rachel Wilson]

It tends to get squattier too. And so if you do have problems bracing your core, you can really mess yourself up.

[Andrew]

I say this because it's important, because you are sort of an anomaly because you'll listen to all these catty on like the whatever podcast, like, well, maybe some women are stronger than men. You're one of them. And you're like, yeah, but we're not though.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's how I know that. Well, I do think it's shaped my perspective because I know that my untrained husband who doesn't work out religiously within a couple months of just learning some basic technique would blow past me after years and years of me. It's just. It comes down to physics.

[Andrew]

Yeah. There's.

[Rachel Wilson]

Men have more mass, they have denser bones, they have bigger muscles, they have more testosterone. It's. It's literally science. Well, you know, as Christians, we're always called the science deniers, but we're the ones that understand that gender doesn't mean anything unless it references sex.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

And that, you know, there's physiological differences between men and women that you're never going to overcome.

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[Andrew]

Isn't it funny how they used to say gender and sex were different, but now they want to change sex on official identifications? Which, by the way, I mean, if you go back to the change my mind, like, there are two genders. It's funny you referenced them. For me, it really kind of goes like, Simone de Beauvoir, Judith Butler, John Money, as that's what I think are sort of the touchstones. And you can correct me where I'm wrong, but even then, it still existed within a binary, like, men can become women and women can become men. Gender is a social construct. But if you were to go back and even tell Simone de Beauvoir, like, there are 57 genders, Simone would be like, what the what? No, that's ridiculous. They just keep moving the goalposts.

[Rachel Wilson]

Well, the interesting thing about that is she would. You're right about that. But there were women writing in the 1840s. Like, Margaret Fuller was the first, like, widely published feminist writer in America. And in the 1840s, she was writing about gender as a spectrum and it being the final frontier that we have to conquer. In order to transcend our human limitations. And because she was like, this monist is like prototypical new age stuff. We're all going to return to the 1. So we have to get rid of gender and race and all these things. And so she was talking about gender as a spectrum in the 1840s.

[Andrew]

Ain't that a. Yeah. And it was only followed by them who were like, yes, I'm very spiritual. That sounds good. We all return to one. What. What does it even mean? Sometimes you just. When you examine these things, like you say science, you. You realize there's nothing there with the gender lgbtq. It's. It's this simple. There is nothing there. You will not find a study that exists that says a male body can be born with a female brain or vice versa. As a matter of fact, every time we conduct them more thorough the study, the more rigorous people go like, ah, the changes only occur after cross sex, hormone replacement therapy. And then it just gets thrown out, which still goes back to, I mean, feminism. It defies reason where they just change the motivations or they change the outcome. So I do want to get to this. This is important because people will say, okay, yeah, but eventually women wanted the vote.

[Rachel Wilson]

Sure.

[Andrew]

So, yeah, if we all accept, and you should. It's the truth. But I'm just, for the sake of argument, you know, channeling Andrew. Okay, we accept that they didn't want it, and then at a certain point, they said, okay, we want it. What was the change? Because that's still. Those are still sort of the remnants that we're feeling today. Right. Is people believing whatever that inflection point was.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes. So first of all, Even after the 19th amendment was passed, the vast majority of women did not vote vote until, like, the 1960s. We still were voting in much smaller numbers. And now, sadly, since the 90s, women are out voting men. It's only by a small margin, but it's enough.

[Andrew]

Oh, the tradcon women will let you hear it. They're like, well, really, if you get out and voted. If you get out and voted, then you can maybe have an opinion.

[Rachel Wilson]

I know I. I get lectured all the time on how I'm ruining things for Republicans because I'm scaring women away from voting for Republicans. But as far as, like, women wanting the vote, eventually they did, but it took, again, a lot of propaganda of being pushed in that direction and being told repeatedly that, like, your. This is the core of what we've done with women, how we've swayed them towards feminism, is to tell them if you're not on board with this, you are stupid. You are not smart enough like us. You are, you know, a traitor to your gender. You're a loser. What, are you going to just sit home and pop out babies? You don't care about this nation. You're not going to go and make your voice be heard. You're not going to, you know. So it was a lot of propaganda to push women to this because one of the things they argued why they didn't want the vote was that politics is dirty business, which is true. They were like, we don't want to be down in the mud rolling around with socialists and arguing all the time. They felt like it was kind of beneath women. And women are mostly. This is another thing where I'm kind of weird. They're usually very conflict avoidant. They don't want to debate, they don't want to fight and argue. They would nag, sure, but they don't want direct confrontation. And politics is very confrontational. And they were like, are you really going to make us go out and like debate all this stuff? And also, let's just be honest, most women don't want to learn all the ins and outs of economics and foreign policy and geopolitics and all that stuff. It's kind of boring to most of them. They're more interested in their immediate family circle. What's going on with the kids, how's grandma doing? What's going on at the church and the community center? And they felt like they were very busy with those things. They were like, we've got plenty going on. Because at the time, you know, you've got five kids on average.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

And you're feeling very busy and you're like, now I got to learn about politics. I got to sit here and learn each. Each candidate's whole, you know, campaign and like their platform and all the. Ugh.

[Andrew]

I don't know that you've. You may have presented this argument. This isn't in your book, but what you just touched on something that I'm convinced is kind of the sort of seismic shift. Like you said, they were like, they were concerned with their immediate family. Right. I think we both agree that women have a mothering, a nurturing instinct. Right. They kind of face kids in and dad's job is to face them out towards the world. They had five kids on average. Is that approximately.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, in the 1800s. By the time we hit the 20th century, it was already down to like three.

[Andrew]

Okay, so three today it's down well below that. Take that away. Well, where does that. Where do they invest that mothering, nurturing instinct? And now that's why you have women out voting men, because they go, well, I don't, I don't have that sort of protective that that vulnerable child to protect and to serve as a mother. Let me pick the marginalized class of the day. And that's how you see the completely illogical women. Women supporting both Palestine, along with lgbtqa, ip, it's whoever is the most. I think women are going to try and help the vulnerable because it's their instinct. And you take away the healthy expression of that a family and children, you end up with the unhealthy expression.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Think there's something there?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes, there's absolutely something there. And we know there's something there because the same people who really shoved the 19th through and really got it across the finish line are the same guys that met in secret at the Jekyll Island Club to create the income tax, the Federal Reserve act, and to institute the compulsory public education system. And this was a big push to remember, we're like just post big time industrial industrialization. We've got all these big factories and we need lots of workers and we need cheap labor. And at the time, it was tough to get enough immigrants in. We were trying to do that. It was like the first big wave of immigration.

[Andrew]

Unless you bring in more Irish. But who wants that?

[Rachel Wilson]

Well, you know, I'm half Irish.

[Andrew]

I know. But it's okay.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's how my. That's how my ancestors, if you read

[Andrew]

how they wrote about the Irish, like, it's like subhuman. They're like, just throw a few Irishmen at it, see what happens.

[Rachel Wilson]

Well, my dad's family is Dutch and my mom's family is Irish and they hated each other. They did like Dutch Protestants and like Irish Catholic. And so it was so shocking that my parents divorced when I was 9. Who could have seen it coming? My Rush Limbaugh Republican, Dutch Protestant dad and my Irish Catholic, you know, gender studies mom.

[Andrew]

Yeah. I will say what I appreciate about the Dutch Reformed. The best drivers in the country in Western Michigan, they use the left lane properly.

[Rachel Wilson]

True.

[Andrew]

It's like, it's like the speed limit doesn't exist. It's kind of, you know, safe. Insane. But. But yes, going back to that. So. So we do see that. And you were talking about how a big influence. And we see this today, by the way. This isn't like for people who think this is conspiratorial. Do you believe that? There are lobbying groups today, do you believe from, for example, did you see Coca Cola with Snap? That same thing happened back then. It was a lot of those who were captains of industry.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

And an unholy alliance with further left leaning political groups like you mentioned. Socialists to get more people into the workforce.

[Rachel Wilson]

Right, yeah, yeah, exactly. So like they, so like the Carnegie family, big industrialists, they used Victoria Woodhull and her sister to. They gave them money and let them set up one of the first, like really leftist feminist magazines in the country. And it was the first, first press in the United States to widely publish and distribute the Communist Manifesto. So take from that what you will, but then also start pumping out this feminist propaganda things that. I mean, Woodhull called marriage just prostitution by another name. It was this first push to convince women that like marriage is a trap. Your husband is the real threat to you. He's the guy that you have to watch out for. He's the one that's going to be the danger. And we've done a really good job of convincing women of that to the point that if people are watching these ICE protests and these insane women, it's all women going up to ICE and you know, calling them names, threatening them, saying they're going to kick their ass, telling them they have a little dick. All this. And you're like, why, I don't know

[Andrew]

why I get so much pleasure out of you saying little du. I've heard you say it so many times because I've heard that argument, but you have a slight Midwestern twang. So it sounds like my aunt, like it got a little dick on the roof.

[Rachel Wilson]

Got a little, got a little, little pecker.

[Andrew]

But, but that is true. They do it all the time. Like little, little. It's like, yeah, whatever.

[Rachel Wilson]

The reason you see that is because we're now 100 years into women repeatedly hearing all the time through movies, media. All the universities are just Marxist feminist propaganda machines now. They're thoroughly convinced. And I, I know this in my own life too. My mother was this way, that your husband is the bad guy. He's the, he's the avatar of the evil white controlling man who wants to dominate you and wants you to be subservient. Think about the 1970s. And we had movies like the Stepford Wives, which they did a remake of with Nicole Kidman just to bring it back and circle it back around.

[Andrew]

Bette Midler, too.

[Rachel Wilson]

Bette Midler. We had the Mary Tyler Moore Show. We had Bewitched where the wife was a witch and her husband is always constantly trying to make her not use her awesome powers. And she's, you know, there's this struggle. There was a ton of propaganda in

[Andrew]

the 70s, but I dream of Jeannie was a little bit different. He kept that in a little bottle and he only summoned her. It was useful. He's like, do the hip thing. Get. Get back in there.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, good for him. But we.

[Andrew]

I had a crush on her when I was a kid. I dream of Jeannie.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, I think everybody did okay.

[Andrew]

But we.

[Rachel Wilson]

We've really convinced most women that their husband is this, like, bad guy who's just trying to control them.

[Andrew]

Narcissist.

[Rachel Wilson]

You know, it's the Stepford Wives. He wants you to be a sex robot who makes casseroles. And he doesn't see you as a real person. He doesn't think you have your own mind, and he doesn't want you to have any rights, because if you do, you would never want him. Right, right. So we've convinced women of this, and like you said, we still have this mothering instinct. We still have. You can't escape your nature. It's part of. It's a logical contradiction to escape your nature. Nature, the law of identity, says if your identity is not consistent across time, then it's not your identity.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

So you can't take that mothering instinct that women are born with and tell them not to have kids and then think that that's going to go well. So what happens is they get politicized. And this is on purpose. My second book's coming out later this year, and it goes over all of the Marxist side more in depth, because the first one is more about the kind of liberal capitalist side in America and England and Australia and the occult side.

[Andrew]

And to be. I also want to mention. I want to. But you also point out, too, and I do appreciate that you differentiate, because a lot of people now, everything is demonic.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You point out that a lot of these were also fake spiritualists with seances. They were just. They were snake oil sales ladies. Yeah. And there's, you know, they just. It's kind of like, you know, founders of religions who we find out were scam artists long before where they go from scam to scam. They went from scam of the table is rising. I can speak with the dead for, you know, whatever is five bucks to. Oh, yeah, feminism.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes, exactly. So they use that as a vehicle to push the propaganda. I'm not. People will take a look at the book cover and either think that I'm saying witchcraft and feminism is good, or they'll think that. I'm saying I'm doing The typical, like 1980s Tipper Gore, everything's demonic, satanic panic thing. And I'm not. I'm telling you that some of them firmly believed this and were like actual high priestesses in occult organizations. But a lot of them claim to be automatic writers or spiritualists or fortune tellers as a way to get in and get in with business guys and get funding for things and have influence and get people to listen to what they were saying.

[Andrew]

So, I mean, the same thing. You just take it, replace it with Helen Keller. I don't feel like that's a complete scam.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Helen Keller after. Do you know how many children today in 2026, I think it's the crossover age is three. I don't want to. It could be two and a half who aren't able to see or hear at the age of three, blind and deaf. Do you know how many of them have learned to communicate?

[Rachel Wilson]

How many? Zero.

[Andrew]

Zero. Helen Keller was writing for socialist candidates, by the way, writing a college thesis on socialism. You're like, oh, same as her handler. And it's a basic. I just forgot the name of the handler. Someone could probably find it.

[Rachel Wilson]

My. One of my daughters is super into the Helen Keller thing and she could tell you everything about it.

[Andrew]

It's a total scam. It's a complete scam.

[Rachel Wilson]

Same thing.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And she's like, ah. She's saying the plight of the boar, the bourgeois, the proletariat.

[Rachel Wilson]

Some of these women would do, they would give speeches on behalf of women's suffrage and say that they were channeling the ghost of like an ancient Roman guy or something like that.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

In order to get people in and create sensation and get it in the headlines and all that sort of thing. And spiritualism was a big trend in America at the time, so it just got a lot of eyeballs on it and things like that. But the reason we have crazy women in the streets trying to run over ice is because you all K through 12, they're told that boys are inherently violent, girls are inherently good natured and angelic. They're just born with little halos. The boys, boys are violent and rapey and bad, and you have to watch out for them. And, you know, like the fake statistics, like one in three women on college campuses will be a victim of sexual assault. Completely untrue. I totally debunked it in our course.

[Andrew]

It was on my college campus.

[Rachel Wilson]

The. The feminist debate Course that we just finished. Yes, in my section, I take all the care in the world to debunk that sort of thing and show you how they fudge this statistics, how they use surveys and self ID and all this stuff to kind of twist things and make it sound like just every man around the corner is waiting to, to rape.

[Andrew]

Well, it's the same thing they do where they go. You know, immigrants are more law abiding than native born citizens. No, what they're doing is they're taking legal immigrants who by the way have an incentive to abide by the law because they're looking to get, you know, their green card and they lump it all in. So when you get to the really sort of quantifiable statistic, okay, someone who's here illegally, what's tough to track because they typically actually don't answer your questions and they're not on the books. So what we do have is the incarceration rate and you look at, they're about one and a half to four times as likely to be incarcerated. So it's a talking point that they use. They do the same thing with this like you're talking about with women. They go one and three. Well, when you get to the rape kits, when you get to the actual reports, it's not even close.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, stuff like that guy rubbed my shoulders and I didn't ask him to is counted as sexual assault. Which think of it, if we did the statistics the same way for men. How many times does a woman, you know, touch a man's chest or smack him on the butt or make an off color sexual comment to the guy? It's never going to get reported as sexual assault. There's never going to be a complaint made to HR when a woman does that to a man. But if we did, I think it would not only be like equal, but I think women might be the greater offenders. If, if you quantified everything that way and you made it equal across the board because women feel very comfortable doing that.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

How many times do we see like famous actresses and stuff with like look at how Justin Bieber was treated by older women in Hollywood. They would just grope him. They would make sexual comments about him. They would. And everybody thinks that's fine and normal and nobody says anything about it. But if it's a woman, it's like, oh my God, it's a predator. So it's, there's always, there's always a lot involved in how they present things and they present it and it's all Due to framing. If you ever just broke down the feminist framing on how we have these conversations, and you debunked it and you said, well, wait a minute. Is that true for men? So, like, when we're looking historically at women's oppression, is that also true for men? So, like, women had this literacy rate in 1850. Okay, let's look at men's literacy rate. Oh, it was worse in some places and. And maybe even in others. You know, things like that. Like, look at, you know, white liberal women in New York in 1890 versus any man in the South. They had higher. Way higher literacy rates than Southern men did.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

So you can't just say, like, historically, men had all the rights and women had none. It's just a false way of looking at things. But they'll use that framing to convince women that you're a victim, you're oppressed, and the people you need to worry about is your dad, your husband, the policeman, and the ICE agent. And any man with authority. Any man with authority is going to abuse you. And so that's why you see crazy women in the streets trying to save the illegal migrant guy who molested three kids from the big, bad, mean ice age agent, because they see a man with authority, especially if he's white, and they're like, that's the enemy.

[Andrew]

Yeah. And that's also why it's anti God, anti biblical. The men with authority who you are supposed to submit to, by the way. Men have to submit to plenty of authority as well. But the Bible, that's one thing, too. I think, with even, like, tradcons, like, well, just your husband. No, actually, that's not it. You are to submit to the authority of men who've been granted that authority in the same way that men are. One of the most telling things to me was Renee Goode. I don't know if it was her or her friend. And I remember the quote exactly, was like, you didn't have to have the real bullets in there. Do you remember that?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah. It's like. Well, I think that was the girlfriend.

[Andrew]

That's right. Yeah, the girlfriend. Her girlfriend who was like, scissor sister. And it was like. It was. I just remember hearing that, like, oh, wait a second. That's your coaster. Just fit. Stick with your. You know what the key is with that salt. A Chili's waiter taught me that once you put a little salt on your coaster, your drink doesn't follow it. But I tell you what, I've run into that so many times where. And I think and then I want to get into the framing that matters. For example, in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, they would often have me train with the women and kids because they knew I wouldn't hurt them. I was a good training partner. The girl was getting ready for Abu Dhabi is like kind of like the Olympics. She was really good, and I trained with her. I let her get me in an E bar, grab a couple submissions. She was making mistake where she kept leaving her elbow out. And so after rolling and stuff, I grabbed the same submission like three or four times in a row. Now, if it was a man, I would have been like, are you an idiot? You're gonna go, you're gonna get. You're gonna get your arm torn off. Like, you're literally going against a guy whose nickname is the arm collector, dummy. But I grabbed it and she start crying. And I'm talking about really gentle, like, ah, careful. Watch right close. T. Rex arms. Bring that elbow in. Ah, careful. Like, did you. You let me get that submission? And I was like, oh, sweetheart, of course. Did you really think you were actually, like, moving me around at 130 pounds? And I realized, wow, she actually believed this. And that's part of it is rejecting an act of grace. By the way, we receive acts of grace from women all the time. Especially if you find a good wife, you find a good woman. Part of it is simply being gracious and acknowledging the differences. Right. I do think that there is a feminine power, not to sound New Agey, that is different from masculine. It's largely in the home where a man can be at peace. Peace. A man can lead a household better. Right. And let's get to that. The framing you talk. The framing that matters. Here's to me, the framing that matters. What's best for the country, what's best for children. And by the way, the two were one and the same. So let's take me out of it. I would say that men have kind of effectively done that by dying for their families and in war for a long time. Feminism has it benefited the country? Has been a net positive or a net negative. Feminism and everything there in sexual liberation, no fault, divorce, all of this.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Has it been good for children or bad for children? Let's start with the country. Has feminism benefited the country?

[Rachel Wilson]

No, not at all. So we went back to talking about who. Who were the politicians and the powerful people that wanted the 19th passed and wanted women voting. It wasn't just because you get cheap labor from women. When you convince mothers and married women to join the workplace force. It wasn't just because you get to tax two people in the household instead of one. It wasn't just because you have compulsory education now while mommy's at work, the children go to the state run schools and get indoctrinated with whatever the state wants them to believe about things. It wasn't just that. It was also this idea that like, if you can get women out of the home and kind of separate the family, you'll have women voting against their husband's interests. Which is one of the reasons the anti suffragists said they did not want the vote. They were like, they could see, they were like, this is going to break up families. It's going to drive husband and wife against each other. Because if you wanted a big welfare state, which was what they were trying to achieve at this time, women are going to vote for that. And they still do today. Like across the board, women support big welfare state way more than men. And it's because women are more secure, security oriented. Men are more willing to take risk. If they think there's a reward and they can, you know, create a legacy for their family, they're willing to risk it. Women are moms and they're thinking about babies and the vulnerable and the starving and all the people who can't take care of themselves. And they want this big welfare state. Women vote for mass immigration, they want more open borders. They look at, think of AOC at the chain link fence crying, you know that photo op she did?

[Andrew]

Or with the non handcuffs, remember that? I pissed myself laughing when she faked like she had handcuffs and she took. I was like, my gosh, this is just exactly what you.

[Rachel Wilson]

Well, women. The thing about women is we're easier to propagandize when it comes to tugging on our heartstrings. And that's why ever since women started to be the bigger voting bloc, every political campaign of my lifetime and yours, it's the Republicans want to take away children's lunch, they want to take away grandma's Medicaid. You know, they, they would show, you know, a Republican pushing grandma off the cliff in her wheelchair.

[Andrew]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Rachel Wilson]

And they've convinced women of this. And I, I mean, I never was leftist and I never was feminist, but when I was really young, I was in my early 20s working at a makeup counter in the mall. And it was an election day, it was like a midterm election. And we're all standing in the line to get coffee and I'm like, I'm gonna take My lunch at this time so I can go run over and vote. And all the girls around me that work at the makeup counter, they were like, oh yeah, that election thing today, right? Oh yeah. Okay, who are you voting for? And I, I didn't get a chance to answer before the other ones chimed in and they were like, aren't the Democrats the ones that care about like poor people and old people and Republicans are like the mean business guys that just want money? Yeah, yeah. I'm voting for a Democrat. Me too. I'm voting for Democrats too.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's all they know.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay, so when you let 22 year old women vote, all they know is Democrats care about old people and children and Republicans are mean businessmen. They don't know anything other than most of them.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

And the ones who do know know more than that are generally in university being taught by Marxist professors and being told basically that same thing, just in more complicated terms.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

They don't really understand what it is they're voting for 99% of the time. I hate to say that, but I think it's true.

[Andrew]

I mean, I would say this, I would say the same thing of leftist men in general, just people who vote left across the board. But women overwhelmingly vote. It's white middle class women. It's the only demographic big enough to elect Democrat presidents.

[Rachel Wilson]

Right. So we do, I mean you've, everybody's seen the data where if they remove that.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

There's never another Democrat presidency ever.

[Andrew]

Yeah. In many cases, Chris, women, self professed Christian women in the church will vote Democrat more than even atheist.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

And that's something that often startles women like, well, not me. I'm like, well, a lot of you. So some of you aren't really necessarily telling the truth. Remember that commercial of the woman going into the voting booth and the husband like, oh, I'll kill you if you don't vote my thing. And then you sit there like, well that seems terrible. And you go, but that makes sense. You have one head of household. Right. And a house shouldn't be divided.

[Rachel Wilson]

Again.

[Andrew]

Again, going back to a biblical principle and women had a say. Right. If you have one vote in a household, the family has a say and there's someone who has the final say.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And I think going back to this. So then I want to get to children.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

I don't know if there's a way to fix it. And I think you're doing your damnedest to be clear.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm trying.

[Andrew]

I know, I know it's been a Lie. And I think we both would acknowledge that women tend to have a more difficult time facing accountability because they've been raised in a way where they haven't had to face it that men have. And so let's look at all the stats. All right. Feminism, 1960s. Today, women are fatter, sicker, lonelier, more antidepressants, unhappy.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Right. And. And if you pull them toward the end of their life, huge regrets. They didn't have more kids. Okay. So objectively, if we use those parameters, it's made women unhappier.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Okay. Women need to face that and say, so we've been kind of living a lie, and we have to correct course here, and they have to govern themselves. I don't know that that's possible. That's the issue. I don't know that there are enough women are willing to go, look, we were wrong. This was a lie. We are not empowered. Because you have women going, I'm happier than ever. I don't need a man.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah. Chelsea Handler trying to convince us all that she loves waking up alone. So smoking a joint or eating an edible and going back to bed until noon and then ordering Thai food by herself and skiing in a bikini. And, you know, all this, you know, there's a lot of that cope going on. But if it makes anybody feel better, I'd say the biggest. I get two really common emails and messages from women. One is younger women going, I'm in college right now. I'm in my last year of dental school. My parents expect me to start a dental practice and pay back my loans before I even think about getting married and having kids. And all I want to do is get married to my boyfriend and have kids. I don't want to be a dentist. I thought I did. It's not what I want to do, but everyone will think I'm crazy. I already have sunk so much into this. What do I do?

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

The second most common one I get is older women, usually in their 60s. It's like, across the board, especially since the Joe Rogan thing. The amount of emails and DMS I've gotten from women who are 60, 62, 65, anywhere in there saying, they got me, they got me with this. I believed this bs, and now I'm alone and I can't go back and I can't change it. But I'm glad you're saying something for the younger women who can so that they at least feel like they can pick a different path.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

I get so many messages from women in their 60s and even in their 70s.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

Saying, I fell for this crap.

[Andrew]

Oh, you're.

[Rachel Wilson]

I fully believed it. And I'm in my 60s. I have no kids, I have no husband. I just retired from my corporate job that I never really liked. I kind of got stuck, and here I am.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but you're such an outlier, is the thing. Like, I have. This is one thing. Like men who I know, you know, when you go through it, even whether it's divorce attorneys, they'll say it's terrible, avoid it at all costs, try and, you know, make it work. And then it's a contagion with women. Like, I'm happier than ever, even though you know they're not.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

And so even though you have these ladies emailing you now, they're 50 times more going, I'm great. And like Chelsea Handler, she's lying to herself. So before we go on then, to the kids, let's say you have a. Well, you do. You have a camera right there. To women out there, young women, if you were to try and tell them, like, don't believe, ex lie, or feel free to do, like, what message would you give to them if you had to try and cut off at the pass? Them putting themselves on a path to perpetual unhappiness? Because that's what needs. And there need to be enough women doing that.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah. Well, it's not the men trying to convince you of a certain thing because they want to control you, because they want a mindless sex puppet or whatever. It's women like Simone de Beauvoir, who in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan said, I don't think we should give women the option to stay home and have children, precisely because if there is such an option, too many women will choose that. She said, I think society should be run completely differently, and we should. We should use, you know, pressure, social pressure, to convince women that doing that makes you unfulfilled. It means you can't hack it. You know, you can't hack it in the business world. Oh, you can't handle a career. You just want to stay home. This was very intentional. And it was on the part of women like Simone de Beauvoir, who, although she was considered one of the feminist intellectuals of the 20th century, was also a creeper who was convicted of grooming children with her partner. She was a teacher who was grooming her female students in France and lost her teaching license and got in a lot of trouble for that. So these are not nice women. These are not women who are. Are Getting picked by great guys. These are not women who are doing well. These are bitter, creepy, awful women for the most part.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's the truth of it. I mean, I've. I profiled all the most prominent ones from the 1700s to now in my book and it took me two and a half years. And the reason it ended up being about things like the occult is because I found almost every single time these women were divorced, they abandoned their husbands and they abandoned their children, if they ever had children at all.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

They were, you know, sex pests. They were into all kinds of creepy stuff, whether it be kids or polyamory or actual, like socialist communes where everybody's sleeping with each other. Really bizarre stuff. These are the women who were so against the status quo of like man and woman, you know, God, husband, wife, wife, nuclear family, extended family. They were so against it because they, they wanted to be offcoming. They wanted to be off doing this degenerate, disgusting stuff and didn't want to have to deal with any social stigma for it. So these are the women you're listening to. And I don't think most of you want to be her. I don't think most of you want to be Simone de Beauvoir trying to seduce your 16 year old students. Your boyfriend can get in on the action.

[Andrew]

Right?

[Rachel Wilson]

Right.

[Andrew]

You'd probably rather be like Meemaw, who had the table set for the whole family, where, think about it, when you look back and you think of hearth and home and warmth and where you felt safe and people were happy there usually. And that's where I talk about, like, there's a woman at the center. I don't want to use the term matriarch, but I love that term. Okay, well, there was though. And they would coach young women.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm entering my matriarch era right now and I love it. I think it's fantastic. Yeah, this is the other big lie that women have been sold. You're going to be young and sexy forever. You're going to be like Jane Frank Fonda and be sexy at 70.

[Andrew]

She's not sexy at 70.

[Rachel Wilson]

I know. You know, I know. We all know, but everybody goes, yes, girl, yes. Oh my God. Same thing with Jennifer Lopez approaching 60 still, you know, out there shaking and shaking it in a thong. She's on, what, her fourth, fifth divorce? Are we even keeping track anymore? You know, someone else is mostly raising her kids so she can be off doing her boss girl look, everybody look at my ass thing. And it's like, you could do that, but My grandma, bless her, is turning 100 years old on April 1st. And when I look back over my life, I see her as like the pillar in my life of somebody who was sane and stable and normal and my safe place for me in my life. Cuz I had a crazy Marxist feminist mom.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

And my dad was kind of the typical American guy in the 80s and 90s who got absolutely crushed by the whole feminist machine. Four divorces, just. And it's because he simped. I'll just be honest. It was because he simped, because he was just told, you have to listen to women, you have to make them happy, you have to do what they want.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

And he, he didn't find his spine until it was like way too late.

[Andrew]

Yeah. Well, I think, you know, women or feminists will say like, what do you want to do? You can do anything you want.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

No, it's. What kind of life do you, do you want to actually live? Who do you want to be?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Do you want to be Simone de Beauvoir? Do you want to be. I mean, was it not lng white? That's the Seventh Day Adventist. I'm going back to that. Who are we? Just you just mentioned. Anyway, point is, do you want to be any of these cackling or do you want to be your grandma? Do you want to be the lady who made you feel safe and warm? Because you can do that.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Now let's though give the opposite side. You know, you want to be the world's most powerful genie. Everything that comes with it. The shackles. Let's be real, tell young women if they want that. Let's say a woman right now is like, yes, I want to be able to stay home. Because there are a lot of women who know that. Yeah, I want to stay home. I want to be able to raise a family. I don't want to have to be a corporate slave in 9 to 5. And I want to be with a man who shares those values. What does that mean? Those women need to expect and need to do to find that kind of a man. Big part of it is probably don't talk. So don't, don't, don't, don't talk back so much.

[Rachel Wilson]

It's the attitude.

[Andrew]

It's the attitude.

[Rachel Wilson]

It's the attitude. I had to find this out too, you know, like people will be like, where can I find a wife like yours, Andrew? And I always tell them, I'm like, women aren't born great wives and men aren't born great husbands, by the way. You learn these. They're learned skills. And we don't have parents and grandparents that teach us these skills anymore. Almost all of us have, like, divorced parents or dysfunctional homes that we come from. It's so common now that most of us don't even know what that looks like. Yeah, I grew up with, like, the worst possible role models in the worst possible situation, so I had to learn it too. So lucky for me, when I met Andrew, he kind of helped me with that. Like, right off the bat, one of our first dates, he came over to my house. And I don't even remember what it was now, but I said something sassy to him, so he said something sassy back. He was like, oh, really? Said something a little sassy back. And I threw a remote control at him.

[Andrew]

I remember you telling the story, and I love this story.

[Rachel Wilson]

And he looked at me and he went, oh, really? Okay, well, if that's how you're gonna act, I'm leaving now. And if you ever want to talk to me again, you better think about why you just did that and why you thought that that was okay to do, because I will not put up with that. And he left. And I sat there and went, I can't believe this guy. What? And then all of a sudden, I went, oh, crap. Am I the girl that throws stuff? Am I the girl that throws stuff and has an attitude? You know, I immediately thought of, like, all the archetypes of that woman, and I was like, I don't want to be that person. No, I don't. I don't want to be her. And I called him, and I was like, you know what? You were completely right. That was. I don't know why I thought I could do that. Doesn't really matter. But I will never do that sort of thing to you again.

[Andrew]

Then he whipped the timberland at you.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm sorry. Well, the. Here's the thing is the. What got me was he didn't yell back, he didn't match my energy and throw something back at me or anything like that. He was just. He very calmly just asserted, I don't deal with that. Yeah, I don't deal with that kind of behavior from women. So if. If that's what you want to do, good luck to you.

[Andrew]

Right.

[Rachel Wilson]

Have a nice life. But if you do want to ever see me again, like, that's never gonna happen. And that was, like, really clear right from the beginning. And it just. That one moment completely shifted my thinking because of all the stuff that I had seen growing up. You Know, like, both my parents were like, throw. Throw things, break stuff, slam doors. It was like, very normal in my household. And I didn't even realize how much I'd kind of been programmed with that. And then you take. Think of all the pop star girls, think of all the popular females in the culture. And I think this is why most women go this way, because Meemaw, who everybody has warm memories of going to Grandma's house for Thanksgiving or Christmas, and. And maybe you got sick and Grandma came over and took care of you, and you always felt so safe and wonderful and. And you love her. She's not famous.

[Andrew]

No.

[Rachel Wilson]

She's not getting millions of dollars in magazine covers, but Taylor Swift is and Beyonce is and Katy Perry is, and all of these famous actresses who give Oscar speeches about how great their abortion was. They're getting all the public praise and all the PR and everything. And that's. Women are very pack oriented. They don't like going against the grain. They don't like standing out and being different than all the other women. You get penalized heavily for that. Ask me how I know. So they. They just kind of go with that because that's what we all see from the time we're so little. Even little kids cartoons now. Little kids cartoons now. The girl is always the strong, tough one. The girl is always the smart one with the superhero powers. The boys are always like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing. Good thing the girl's here to save me, you know?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

It's how things have been presented for so long. And it just took Andrew saying that one thing to me for my whole mind to kind of go, oh, my God, have I been doing the thing?

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

Have I had the attitude? And it took me a long time of learning to get that stuff out of me and catching myself when I was doing it.

[Andrew]

Two things. One, you need to listen to Nick DePaulo's Another Senseless Killing Album. And Raw Nerve, he touches on all this back in the day. He's like, you know why you see these commercials now as aol so easy. My dad can do it. I mean, the guy who bought the fucking computer. Yeah, you mean that. He's like, yeah. By the way, can we get. Can we someone just solve breast cancer so I don't have to have an awareness month where my favorite NFL team looks like I Dream of Jeannie. Can I have a month that just any. Just. He's like, it's just lesbian, mustachioed feminists trying to fit their faces where they don't belong. And he suffered for this. That's why we have him on the show quite a bit. The other thing I would say is what you just said is really important because, I mean, ultimately, right. We. We should, I think we kneel before the same cross. I know I'm not orthodox, but I've gone to an Orthodox church. But we do. We serve the same God. And we would be serving a false God if we didn't believe that men and women can be redeemed.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, right.

[Andrew]

People can be fixed. And that's something too, that I know that you and Andrew sometimes are kind of tossed into this lot of the black pill crowd.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

You're not. If you were to say there is hope, like people can change because you did. What should women, if that's what they want, look for in a man? And what should I know? You don't like giving relationship advice because circumstances are different. But like, what should a man look for in a woman if that's what he wants? And what should a young woman look for in a man? Even just like two, three things.

[Rachel Wilson]

Sure. So the first thing is you need to realize you're not going to find this perfect package where he or she comes with all the things you want.

[Andrew]

They might come throwing remotes, they might come throwing.

[Rachel Wilson]

They might come with kids from previous relationships. But the. The number one thing to look for in a woman is if she will say she's sorry. Because women have this very deeply ingrained. You're perfect the way you are. You are a goddess. You never apologize for your behavior. He needs to do this for you. He needs to prove himself to you. You are the prize. You are the queen. We tell them that from the time they're little. And then we also give them no accountability, no consequences for their actions ever. Even if you just look at prison stuff like crime sentencing, men and women doing the exact same crime, men get like two and a half times the sentence that women do, things like that. So you need to understand women as a group. We've removed all the accountability. We've told them they're perfect goddesses that are amazing and wonderful the way they

[Andrew]

are going to check their privilege.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes. So if you find one that will is willing to admit when she's wrong, that's a big green flag.

[Andrew]

It's usually after she argues that she's not.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

And it escalates.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

And then.

[Rachel Wilson]

But then she calms down and thinks a little better of it.

[Andrew]

I'll tell you a technique that I have that would be considered Abusive.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay, great.

[Andrew]

I called up the walrus until I found out that was a weird sex term. So I switched it to manatee.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay.

[Andrew]

Yeah. But yes, that is a big one. Just being able to. Because there used to be the thing, right? Like, oh, and men never apologize. No. Otherwise happy wife, happy life wouldn't be an expression. I do firmly believe that women have a much tougher time apologizing. You know why? Because if men don't say I'm sorry, they're getting their ass kicked many, many times. Growing up, we live under the perpetual threat of force.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Yes. Okay, so that's one. Is there another one? And then I want to go, you know, dish it out to the guys too, because you're the only. You're the only non femcon who could say this is what matters in a guy without it being he needs to be all the things you want. So, okay, finish the women, then we'll go.

[Rachel Wilson]

So the women. The other thing is if she will not just constantly fight you anytime you try to be the leader.

[Andrew]

Okay.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's another really tough uphill battle that a lot of us are just ingrained with this knee jerk reaction that anytime a man is displayed displaying leadership skills, we need to pipe up and say something. We need to. Well, but what about this?

[Andrew]

Did you do that early on?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Andrew]

Because that's one thing I'll say like, and you know, I have a woman who I love, but she will do that. And then afterwards they'll be like, okay, you were right.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And that's a huge contrast to many. No. In other words, no one's saying the black people are saying unless they're perfect. I see that a lot. Like, she will do this, she will do this, she will do this. Or he will do this, he will do this, he will do this. Otherwise, no. And look, we're all a works in progress. And I think that people don't know that you and Andrew, that's why you don't want to give relationship advice. But I think you and him should do like a Dr. Laura show because I think because you're an unwilling participant, I think you would be the best at it. I really do. We could, we could do it right here. I really think you should do it. I think it could help people. Okay. So that. Now do the men, because then we have to go to Rumble premium.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay. Now for the men, it would be

[Andrew]

or women looking for these qualities in a man.

[Rachel Wilson]

Oh, okay. If you're looking for qualities in, in a man. Good dad material and good dad material does not mean he's willing to change diapers and do housework and split the chores with you. Trust me, that is not important. It really is not important. When you get in the mix and you're married and you have kids with a man, you want a man that when bad happens, he steps up and he goes, okay, this is what we're going to do. Everybody calm down, think this through and we're gonna figure out a plan. You what you don't want, and I promise you this, you think you want the guy who's gonna take out the trash and do whatever you say and do all the chores and bend to your will all the time. If you get that guy, you will be drier than the Sahara for the rest of your life. And you'll be looking at the six foot tall Chads who don't give a shit what you say. I'm just telling you, like, that's the truth. Your ovaries will retreat, especially after the first baby. I think this happens a lot.

[Andrew]

They retract up into the body.

[Rachel Wilson]

They do.

[Andrew]

And they're just like simultaneously with our testicles.

[Rachel Wilson]

You want a guy, a, A virtuous man with warlord potential.

[Andrew]

You want a monster who doesn't act on it.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes. You want, yeah. You want a guy who could be. Jordan Peterson says this and he's right about it. You want a guy who could be very dangerous but to other people who are a threat to you. So I'm, I'm very like, easy to sway kind of person. Even though I'm, I'm kind of tough for a girl.

[Andrew]

I'm like a tough girl.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm very maternal, though. And I want to make everyone happy and I want to make everything okay for everyone. And one of the best things Andrew ever did for me is he can spot anyone who's going to take advantage of me from like 10 miles away. And he's like, nope, get out of here.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

[Rachel Wilson]

You want a guy who's going to protect your piece like that. And sometimes him protecting your piece might mean him going, oh, okay, we need a nap. You're gonna go into take a nap because you are cranky and you're tired and you need a nap. And you won't like it in the moment, but he's doing what's best for

[Andrew]

you inside baseball because obviously, and just to be clear, your family has been very good to me. We've become friends. And I very much. I think I always said that men and women can't be friends. This is as close To, I think, as it gets. Because I know your husband.

[Sponsor Representative]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And like, it was a group that I'm like, rachel, get out here. Because, you know, we want to continue this momentum with everyone just. Who can't get enough of you. On Rogan, he's done that. He is not infantilizing you because I guarantee you, when he's trying to protect you from people who are taking. It's uncomfortable because sometimes they might be. You know, they might be shining your ass. And he's like, no, he's done that same thing with me where he's. He actually one point said, you know what Andrew said to me one time? I won't get into names, but I think, you know, it was regarding somewhat of a controversy and a person in the space. And he said. And you know what, man? He said, like, let me guess. They asked you to do this, and you went into capitulate mode because, you know, because you've been said. It's been said that you're a monster and you want to make everyone happy. He goes. And you bent over backwards. He goes, you know what? It's kind of. It's kind of annoying. I don't want to any, but it's kind of annoying to watch someone who's in the position that you are in this movement bend over backwards for people who are you. I'm just telling you, like, we don't want to see our general get shot. So it kind of bothers me. And I was like, geez, I didn't know you felt that way, Andrew. Yeah, I was like, but it was tough. And my lady, my woman will tell you. Like, I got off the phone with Andrew and I said, I made my decision.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Because everyone else is like, be, you know, be diplomatic about it, but it was one where it wouldn't have worked.

[Rachel Wilson]

Right.

[Andrew]

So he is treating you the same way that he does men. Because it's an uncomfortable truth, and we do that with other men all the time. Yeah, but those. Yeah, I think those are. Those are good. Good things to listen to. Are good things to look for. I have other questions. I have questions about you and Andrew.

[Sponsor Representative]

I want to do.

[Andrew]

What is it?

[Rachel Wilson]

Spill the tea.

[Andrew]

Spill the tea. I don't know. Is that what they say? Now spill the tea.

[Rachel Wilson]

I think so.

[Andrew]

Dish. Will dawn, are we gonna.

[Rachel Wilson]

Are we gonna go into call her daddy mode now?

[Andrew]

Yeah, call her. Like, can you sh. T on your husband in front of the whole world?

[Rachel Wilson]

You ever tried to listen to one of those, like, all women podcasts?

[Andrew]

I actually, I was. I Ended up in the suicide room

[Rachel Wilson]

and you're just like, I can't do it. Yeah, I've tried. I can't do it.

[Andrew]

I fed myself a razor blade apple. And by the way, that wasn't even a thing. That was a myth. I thought it would work. It didn't. Because I was watching Call me daddy or call her Daddy. And like, you ate your own razor blade apple. I was like, that wasn't even a trick. I was like, I just did it because I felt like I wanted.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's what hell would be for me.

[Andrew]

Call her Daddy.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's why I have to go to church and I have to take communion. Because I would. It would just be non stop. Yes. Oh, my God, girl. Yes. Oh. And I felt it in my soul. And you know, like all the.

[Andrew]

You can feel it. You can tell. You can tell. Trust your instinct. Which is funny because men probably have instincts that are more on the ball because their instincts are a combination and they do this.

[Rachel Wilson]

Okay, so you're talking, right? And I'll be the girl podcaster and make a good point about something.

[Andrew]

Now I'm uncomfortable. You put me on the spot. It's like, ask me to do an impression. But yeah, they'll be like, you know, men will combine their instincts. Instincts with logic.

[Rachel Wilson]

Stop it. I can't do this.

[Andrew]

I can't do this. Andrew, your wife's doing ASMR on my show, and it's disrespectful.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's all it is. It's the one girl talking about how she feels and the other girl going, yes.

[Andrew]

Oh, yeah, I know.

[Rachel Wilson]

Oh, that resonates with me.

[Andrew]

Well,

[Rachel Wilson]

sorry.

[Andrew]

That's why we need you out there, because I don't think you're meaner than Andrew. I think that you can get away with things that Andrew can't say because you're a lady. Yeah, I think, I think when, you know, they do the like, whatever podcast, like, rate yourself from 1 to 10 and a girl is like a 3, and she's like, I'm like a 10. And he said, do you really think so? And you can be like, you're a four.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Andrew]

Like, you can do it. And they'll just like, well, I rated

[Rachel Wilson]

myself a 5 when I was on and women were like, oh, my God. Because Andrew rated me a six. Listen, we're talking about just looks. I'm 45 years old. I've had five kids, okay? And I'm just an average mom, which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't have to be a beauty queen or a supermodel.

[Andrew]

Yeah, but you're higher than a five.

[Rachel Wilson]

I think I'm just, look, I walk down the street, I look like any other lady. I'm a. I'm just average. I'm just normal. I'm just.

[Andrew]

No, but you.

[Rachel Wilson]

Some people might say a six, some people might say a four. So I just split the difference. I say I'm a five. Women lost their mind that I was willing to say that. And you know why? It's because I'm giving the game away. They're like, don't you dare. We all have to say we're a 10, right? You're giving the game away by being honest. Don't do that. They got so mad at me.

[Andrew]

Well, you know, my lady's latina. She got mad because we were watching that show I think you were on, or when we were rating themselves, and she said, what would you rate yourself? And she got mad at me because I said, I like a seven. She's like, no, I wouldn't be with a seven. What is wrong with you? I'm not going to go tell people that I'm with a seven. She's like. I was like, okay, so what?

[Rachel Wilson]

I think that, too, though, because Andrew always gives himself, like, an absurdly low number. And I'm like, sir, you are like. And I look, I have a type. And he's like, a hundred percent.

[Andrew]

He could do more to help himself. Like, he's not Richard Lewis or Johnny Cash. He doesn't always have to wear a black shirt. Like, he could, you know, I mean, like, in other words. But he does have those baby blues where even every now and then, like, you know, he'll like that look where you're like, oh, he just got pissed about something. I'm like, I know exactly what's happening.

[Rachel Wilson]

And then I go, well, see, it was actually like love at first sight for me.

[Andrew]

Really?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yes.

[Andrew]

Naked?

[Rachel Wilson]

No, he wasn't naked. But he had just gotten out of basic training, so he was, like, kind of buff, and he was really tan. And I was meeting him for the first time.

[Andrew]

That wasn't just the jaundice from chain smoking.

[Rachel Wilson]

I was like, what am I doing? What am I doing? I don't need to date anybody. Why am I meeting somebody? I've got to call this off. I've got to cancel it. And I couldn't get a hold of him to cancel it. So I. I had a whole bail. Bailout plan with my neighbor. I was like, I'm just gonna get rid of this guy. It's terrible. I don't know what I'm thinking. And he shows up, and I opened my door and I saw him, and it was like the scene from Wayne's World where he sees Cassandra and Dream Weaver starts playing. And I was like, tia Carrera.

[Andrew]

Yeah.

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[Rachel Wilson]

I was just like, wow. And I had frumped myself down on purpose. No makeup, ponytail, just mom jeans. I was like, he won't. He won't be interested in all. And I remember saying, like, under my breath, I hope he likes my personality.

[Andrew]

Including remote throwing.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

Well, I tell you what.

[Rachel Wilson]

Luckily, he was willing to really hang in franchise that.

[Andrew]

You've seen the ax throwing. We could call it the Wilson's Remote Control. And we'll just have, like, TVs that. Are those Velcro dartboards where you just whip him?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah. All right, look, we're old parents now, okay? So we consider ourselves average. That's all I want to say about that. And people get really bad. For some reason. I'm just like. Nobody has me on their podcast because I'm, you know, a top model, by the way, girl, that's fine.

[Andrew]

I rarely. Because I. Andrew and I know this. You can't give yourself a pat in the back. It was my idea for you to go with Andrew to Joe Rogan. I was like, get the book in front of him.

[Rachel Wilson]

That's true.

[Andrew]

I was like, get the book in front of him. Because I guarantee you that that, like, it's. He's the kind of guy who's a maven. It'll be super interesting. And then we're saying, and she's gonna have the floor more than you because she's a lady. And still you gotta give them the floor.

[Rachel Wilson]

Yeah.

[Andrew]

And when I saw you there, I was like, me and my lady, we. We stayed up late watching Andrew and then. And then watching yours. And I turned her and I said, she just became the preeminent voice on. On this subject in the space because there really aren't many. So the book is occult feminine. I don't want to get Occult Feminism. The Secret History of Women's Liberation. It's a long title.

[Rachel Wilson]

I know.

[Andrew]

I just say the occult. The occult.

[Rachel Wilson]

You just say cult.

[Andrew]

I say the cult book. Yeah, that's what I say. Okay, give me my cult book. I have some notes. And actually, before we go, we're gonna go to Rumble Premium. If you are not a member, you can click down there and join where we'll continue. And I will get her to spill the a tea. Yes. I can't do it as well as you, but before that too, for people out there who are already kind of in your camp who want to be able to sort of be ambassadors. Debate University, you know, we actually took I mine wasn't really teaching so much. Not like you and Andrew. Andrew is. He's a student of this. I kind of got tossed into it. So Andrew said just when you do yours, kind of talk about your experiences because I don't have four formal training in it. Andrew does. You do Debate University, you can buy the course for I guess it's $150 if you previously purchased the verbal combat course. Right. It's verbal judo. Debateuniversity.com we're going to go to Rumble Premium, but here's a trailer for that if you want to be, I mean airtight, locked down, capable of arguing or convincing people on these topic topics namely feminism. Watch this and then we'll continue spilling the tea. You don't have to be the next Julius Caesar in order to change the world. I would say that my approach is probably more suitable if you find yourself at a dinner table, because that's not always in Andrew's wheelhouse. God love him. I've heard the horror stories of how feminism has ruined the lives of men, women and children right in my backyard.

[Rachel Wilson]

Most of what the public believes about the history of women's rights is historic, historically inaccurate at best, and blatant lies and propaganda at worst.

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