Iran War Imminent? Negotiations Breakdown and Citizens Told to Leave Today

Summary

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Episode Title: Iran War Imminent? Negotiations Breakdown and Citizens Told to Leave Today
Date: February 27, 2026
Host: Steven Crowder, with co-hosts Kat Morgan, Colton, and guest Rachel Wilson

Episode Overview

This episode pivots around two primary themes:

1. The escalating crisis with Iran, including the breakdown of negotiations, potential U.S. military action, and what it means for Americans and the world.
2. A deep dive into the roots and impact of feminism, highlighted by Rachel Wilson’s appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast and her new debate course with Crowder.

Throughout, the hosts balance sharp-edged political analysis with the show’s trademark irreverent humor, addressing misunderstandings in mainstream media and fostering a nuanced conversation among conservative circles about intervention, national interests, and cultural change.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: Special Friday Show & Iran Crisis Context

• Crowder opens the show acknowledging that Fridays are usually exclusive for "Mug Club" members, but the potential for major global events regarding Iran justifies making this episode widely available.
• Main reason: "God only knows if this weekend some things pop off with Iran. So we want to go wide and discuss this with you today because there’s a lot of misinformation out there and I think we need to frame in this conversation if we’re looking at a potential large scale conflict." (04:34)

2. Kristen Stewart’s LA Comments

• A segment ridicules Kristen Stewart’s inarticulate comments about LA, immigrants, and "not buying burgers in the daytime."
• Crowder critiques celebrity activism:
  • "These people are generally good-looking... They're good at reciting lines. They have never, ever had to go through the portion of life that you had to navigate where they learned new things and had to think about them critically... Your mechanic is more qualified to give you opinions on anything worldly than Kristen Stewart." (11:02)
• Quote:
  • "She’s like a baby... When you play peekaboo with a baby... They think you have actually disappeared from Earth. I think she thinks that if she’s not buying a hot dog at Pink’s, it doesn’t exist.” (11:06)
• The crew riffs on how Hollywood virtue-signaling is disconnected from real policy debates (13:11).

3. Rachel Wilson on Joe Rogan & the Feminism Deep-Dive

• Crowder lauds Rachel Wilson’s appearance on Rogan, recommending her book "Occult Feminism."
• The conversation centers on the origins and impact of women’s suffrage and feminism. Revelations and arguments include:
  • Historical context:
    • "The overwhelming majority of women did not want the vote. It was hugely unpopular." (16:05)
    • Rachel Wilson: “Of the thousands that showed up to vote [on suffrage], only 4% wanted suffrage on the ballot.” (15:41)
  • Influence of leading feminists:
    • Simone de Beauvoir, cited as an intellectual pillar of second-wave feminism, allegedly stated women should not have the choice to stay home because they'd all choose that. (17:54)
• Relationship to Christianity:
  • Crowder and Wilson both argue that feminism’s philosophical and spiritual underpinnings are incompatible with Christianity.
  • "It’s antithetical to you as a Christian. You cannot be a Christian feminist. It’s just not a thing." (21:41)
• Marxism & eugenics:
  • Feminism portrayed as a subset of Marxist ideology, with historical figures like Margaret Sanger tied to eugenics.
  • Rachel: "Feminism was instrumental in that [eugenics]. That’s actually where the birth control pill came from as well. Margaret Sanger, the Rockefeller Foundation, the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation, and a lot of Nazi scientists..." (20:13)
  • Despite widespread, affordable birth control, abortion numbers have remained high. (21:41)
• Debate course & practical activism:
  • Rachel promotes a new course (with Crowder and others) on how to debate feminist talking points, aiming to equip conservatives for tough conversations. (23:16)

4. Iran Conflict — Analysis and Conservative Debate

a. Crowder’s Framing

• Emphasizes need for honest, civil disagreement within the right:
  • "There is absolutely no betrayal taking place from Donald Trump if action is taken on Iran... if he bombs Iran or if he takes military action, was an uninformed voter." (32:52)
• Stresses Trump’s longstanding hardline on Iran and nuclear weapons, not a recent shift. (33:17)
• Distinction between U.S. and Israeli interests:
  • "Israel and Iran, to me, irrelevant... If Canada had nukes and ballistic missiles aimed at Israel and the U.S., that doesn’t mean America is fighting a war for Israel." (34:15)
  • Attacks the “we’re doing this for Israel” narrative as misleading (35:17, 49:50).

b. Why Iran Is a Threat — US Interests

• Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism, controls a strategic oil/natural gas choke point (Strait of Hormuz), and has attempted/proposed assassination plots against US leaders. (35:18)
  • "80% of Iranian oil goes to China." (35:18)
• Iran enriching uranium past civil use, with negotiation standoffs over both uranium and missile delivery systems. (41:23)
  • Cites US demands: “No enrichment period. No ballistic missiles, period.” (43:31)
• Discusses risk of Iran becoming a nuclear power — compares prospect to North Korea (49:11).

c. Where Does the Conservative Base Stand?

• Non-intervention vs. Security:
  • Crowder acknowledges a turn in conservative circles toward non-intervention, but asserts:
    • "Iran is not the kind of nation that you want to have any nuclear weapon capabilities, period." (44:37)
  • No boots on the ground is a consensus; favoring airstrikes/limited action if necessary, not war. (46:14)
• Communication failures:
  • Critiques the Trump/US administration for unclear messaging to the public on goals and red lines. (39:27, 44:38)
  • "You gotta communicate, be clear on your objectives, be in and out." (44:38)
• Quotes on clarity and stakes:
  • "If we end up in a never ending war in the Middle East, which I think is very unlikely, then JD Vance should be held accountable and get nowhere in a primary. I think that’s fair." (42:52)
  • "If we don’t act, does that mean we’re betraying Israel? No... Iran called us Big Satan and Israel Little Satan. They want to kill us." (49:38)

d. Audience Guidance — Don’t Fall for Emotional Manipulation

• Urges listeners not to form opinions simply on emotional media triggers; stresses need for context and facts. (52:05)
  • "You would understand it [bombing Iran] if you were emotionally connected to the attempted assassination of Trump. Right now people want to put you in the opposite state: 'Iran’s no threat and you’ll see your children die for Israel.'" (52:05)

e. What’s Next?

• Imminence of Hostilities:
  • Embassies ordering evacuations; large US naval presence; failed negotiations.
  • "It seems like [strikes are] imminent because the US Embassy in Israel told staffers to leave. China told its citizens in Iran to evacuate as soon as possible... There’s been the largest naval buildup in the region since 2003." (40:31)
• Closing Opinions:
  • Kat Morgan: "A negotiated settlement is the absolute best possible outcome, if you have a trustworthy partner. But Iran is doing the very thing they say they’re not doing. You’ve gone too far for me." (55:00)
  • Steven: "It is not going to go away. It will just end with them either getting a nuclear weapon... or we change this regime." (55:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Women’s Suffrage:
  • Rachel Wilson: "Only 4% [of women] wanted suffrage on the ballot... All the pro-suffrage leaders... banned women from voting on whether they wanted to vote." (15:41)
• On Iran:
  • "Iran is a threat... not just to us, not just to Israel, like it is a global threat to Western civilization for sure. That's not even arguable." — Colton (53:21)
• On Celebrities & Activism:
  • Crowder: "Your mechanic is more qualified to give you opinions on anything worldly than Kristen Stewart." (11:02)
• On Clear Communication & Strategy:
  • "You gotta communicate, be clear on your objectives, be in and out. Of course, no Americans on the ground." — Crowder (44:38)
• On Emotional Gut Reactions:
  • "It’s important for you to not make your decisions or form your opinion being completely emotionally charged... That’s what the bad actors on the right want." (52:05)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | Speaker(s) | |---------------|-----------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------| | 04:34 | Opening / Why today’s show is public | Crowder | | 09:23–13:11 | Kristen Stewart segment | Crowder, Colton, Kat | | 15:41–25:33 | Rachel Wilson on Rogan & feminism origins | Crowder, Rachel Wilson | | 32:52–37:30 | Introduction to Iran crisis, Trump’s policy consistency | Crowder | | 35:17–42:52 | U.S. vs. Iran: Interests and policy implications | Crowder, Kat, Colton | | 44:38–49:29 | Clarity on U.S. objectives, non-intervention consensus | Crowder, Kat | | 49:29–53:41 | Why Iran can't have nukes, emotional argument cautions | Crowder, Kat, Colton | | 55:00–56:10 | Realities & prospects for diplomatic resolution | Kat, Crowder |

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Conclusion

This episode serves as a primer for conservatives on navigating the complex realities of the Iran situation:

• It demands clear-eyed, non-emotional reasoning, grounded in U.S. interests rather than media narratives or ideological shibboleths.
• It underscores both skepticism of elite voices (media, celebrities) and the need for robust ideological debate—on feminism, foreign policy, and beyond—armed with history and facts.

Memorable takeaway:
"Do you honestly live in a world where you believe that there is no nation that could present as a threat to the United States, regardless of their relationships with other nations? Like, that's a fantasy world." (54:46)

Next up for premium listeners:

• Sex offender running for city council
• Viral trans activist at LA City Council

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Note: Summary excludes ad reads, show intros/outros, and unrelated banter to focus on the core topics and arguments.

Transcript

[Colton]

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[Colton]

Who's that fat dude with a beard?

[Steven Crowder]

That's Joshua Firestone. Hell of an actor. Hell of an actor. But Stephen is the diamond you want to watch. Shining Monday through Friday at 11am Eastern, Joshua holds his own, but, I mean, there's a reason his name's on the side.

[Colton]

So they just talk about the news and stuff like that?

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, that's a gross oversimplification. They foray into many topics, including both political and social, with a hefty dose of entertainment.

[Colton]

All right, all right. And this Firestein dude is supposed to be the funny one.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, he's pretty funny. He's pretty funny. But we all know Crowder is the funniest one on the show.

[Colton]

I don't know, dog Looks like he's being outshined by that Josh dude. You know what I mean?

[Steven Crowder]

I do not know what you mean. I don't think anyone would understand what you mean. Are we watching the same show? He does the voices. Try to make the faces. He makes the best references. See that? There was a deep cut. He leads the show. He's the leader.

[Colton]

I don't know. Seems a little insecure to me, dawg. Who that gay old dude?

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, that's Daryl Morgan. He's the second chair of the show

[Colton]

and

[Steven Crowder]

it kind of sucks. That's. Yeah, yeah, but you're getting it now. See, that's the universe. That's. They have their own. You're getting into the flow of the show. Does he urinate in bed? Too cold? Dammit, Josephine, that only happened four times. And you know I had too much to drink. Heck, you bought the beer. Are you blaming me, Josephine? My fault? All the problems in my life? Josephine, there is one single common denominator and that's your mumu covered ass. So yes, I am holding you accountable. Try being an adult for once in your life. Take responsibility. Hey, Tony. What you. Hey, Josephine. Don't talk to me like that. Click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or 9.99amonth to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of content creators and free speech subject for today. Glad to be with you. Feel good, Daryl? I do.

[Kat Morgan]

I feel fantastic.

[Steven Crowder]

Hey, come on. There was plenty to go around from Colton and D Day. Yeah, we all. Yeah, we all got.

[Kat Morgan]

All of y' all got called gay old guy.

[Colton]

We appreciate his viewership, but we do.

[Steven Crowder]

Glad to be with you. Hey, you guys know Friday is usually just for OG Mug Club Rumble Premium members, but it's a special Friday today because God only knows if this weekend some things pop off with Iran. So we want to go wide and discuss this with you today because there's a lot of misinformation out there and I think we need to frame in this conversation if we're looking at a potential large scale conflict. Also, a friend of the show, Rachel Wilson was on Joe Rogan yesterday. I think she just became the preeminent voice on the true history of suffrage, of the suffragettes of feminism. And I highly recommend you go watch it. And we also actually have a debate course that I worked on on with the Wilsons that we'll be finally launching I guess today or pre orders and Kirsten Stewart sucks. Quick question. No, I'm not going to get into whether we should start bombing Iran, but is Iran a bad country or is it like the worst country?

[Kat Morgan]

Yeah, those are the only options.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, you let me know. On a scale from 1 to Iran, how bad is Iran? Doesn't mean that we need to waste our firepower Just to be clear. We'll talk about that. It'll be, you know, the favorite word of the left, nuanced, which. Which usually just means you're a big puss and you don't actually want to take a stand. But there are a few different facets to discuss. Kat Morgan, CEO. How are you?

[Kat Morgan]

Better, now that I've had a minute since the ad ran to recover.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, not ad, but you're probably doing better than I was before the show. Look, I'll just let you guys know. I had a very bizarre. I think it happened because I took some ibuprofen before on an empty stomach, a shooting gas pain where I was like, I don't know if I'm able to do the show. And then, by the way, Friday, Saturday, March 20th, 21st, Mr. Josh Firestein. I was here, he said, you know what? You have to do the wind pose.

[Colton]

That's not what I said.

[Steven Crowder]

And so I got on the floor and I did this pose that apparently helps with digestion, but it resembles as though you are presenting yourself and Noodles walk right in to fold you. He just walked in and went, okay.

[Colton]

Accurate.

[Steven Crowder]

So. So we have a lot to get to. But first, it's time to honor, by the way, last time. The most cherished. Yeah, last time.

[Kat Morgan]

Thank God.

[Steven Crowder]

It's a short month.

[Colton]

Ever.

[Steven Crowder]

No, not ever.

[Kat Morgan]

One can hope, Tim.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, you can keep the spirit of Black History Month in your heart all year long.

[Colton]

The holiday season comes once a year, but it does come every year, especially

[Steven Crowder]

if you're on parole. Fast facts. In 1969, the Black Panther party started a free breakfast program for children.

[Colton]

All children.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know. I bet you included some Aunt Jemima. 2018's Black Panther movie was the first superhero movie to be nominated for best picture. That was happenstance. No, no, it's clearly the best superhero movie ever made.

[Kat Morgan]

Black Panther.

[Steven Crowder]

Nothing else even comes close. Dark Knight.

[Kat Morgan]

Nothing.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, no, no. Black Panther spears on top of Teslas.

[Kat Morgan]

It's true.

[Colton]

Bad accents.

[Steven Crowder]

By the way, in 1983, Guy Bluford Jr. Became the first black American in space. We're in out of space. Yep. Also admitted the space jacking. This has been the end of Black History Month.

[Kat Morgan]

No rims on that one, too. Space jacket. You're a silly person, Houston.

[Steven Crowder]

There goes the neighborhood now.

[Colton]

Have you seen Houston, though?

[Steven Crowder]

That's true.

[Colton]

That's true.

[Kat Morgan]

Wait until he finds Palestinians on the moon.

[Steven Crowder]

All right, we are going to get to Iran. We are going to get to Rachel on Joe Rogan's show and potentially a sex offender running for city council. Who. What's a sex offender running for city council? I mean, I don't know what else you want to know, but there's more to the story that the media is not covering. It depends on how much time we have today. First, though, Kristen Stewart. Kristen, not Kirsten. They have a thing about that. Kristen Stewart gave her take on, I think, Immigrants, something about Los Angeles. Here's the thing. I watched it three times. I still don't know what she's trying to say, but I think that's because she's retarded. Let's watch Immigrants. I can't stand immigrants. What would break your heart if it disappeared from LA hand and, like, making me who I am, which is so meaningless in the face of people's lives being, like, completely unearthed, uprooted, destroyed, like, just the. This is. This is like, not who we are.

[Colton]

Who are you wearing?

[Steven Crowder]

Where I'm from, I don't identify with that right now. And so, like, I definitely am dying every day thinking, so, do we make movies about this? Do we throw all of our money at it? Do we stop buying burgers in the daytime? What do we do about this? Like, I can't. I can't fathom that it's happening until it doesn't happen. It's like Los Angeles doesn't exist without all of us. No more burgers in the daytime. Is she promoting her latest Twilight movie? Oh,

[Kat Morgan]

that was real. Steven feels better.

[Steven Crowder]

So I tried to see if anyone else could interpret. Someone else could interpret this so that it makes sense. Architectural Digest. They summarized her comments. Kristen Stewart reflected reflects on the heart of the city, the culture and communities that shape it, and reminds us what makes LA truly irreplaceable?

[Kat Morgan]

What.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, can anyone give me just, like, a trail of breadcrumbs? Burgers in the daytime. Why would you stop buying burgers in the daytime? What does that have to do with deporting illegal aliens? Does she mean that if we stop buying burgers in. I still don't have an answer. Like, I'm trying. Anyone understand it, but do we throw

[Colton]

all of our money at it? Do we make a movie? Does she mean. Does she mean to say, do rich people throw all their money at me to make a movie so that someone will make movie with me again?

[Steven Crowder]

Well, I don't understand. I really don't. It's one of those, like, also, it

[Colton]

still exists if you're gone. That's how, you know, Earth works.

[Steven Crowder]

That's the thing. She's like, A child. She is like a baby. And let me make the case here, because, you know, when you play peekaboo with a baby, I don't know if you know what's happening. Oh, where'd you go? Yeah. Their brain isn't fully developed. They think you have actually disappeared from Earth. So I think she thinks that if she's not buying a hot dog at Pink's, it doesn't exist. That's my only interpretation. Usually I'm able to sort of. Okay, let me walk through this logically. And this just shows you, like, here's the thing. These people are generally good looking. Billy Ray Cyrus, haircut not included here. They're good looking. They can't take credit for God's work. They're good at reciting lines. They have never, ever had to go through the portion of life that you had to navigate where they learned new things and had to think about them critically. And I know that it's cliche for people to say, shut up and act. Shut up and sing. It's different from someone who maybe is a writer. It's different for somebody who maybe is a historian. It's different for someone who maybe is a celebrity who created a really big business or is an investor. Someone like her has nothing to offer the world other than reading lines that somebody else wrote. That's why we don't want your opinions. Truthfully, your mechanic is more qualified to give you opinions on anything worldly than Kristen Stewart. Yeah, it's nonsensical. The problem that we run into is these people who are so nonsensical still have a disproportionate level of influence. There still are people who. Listen, the only reason that that woman is a role model to anyone or at any point as she was during Twilight, is because she's on screen. We need to fundamentally change that culture because. And I'm not saying that retards can't be role models. That's not what I'm saying. Right. I'm just saying that she can't.

[Kat Morgan]

Just specific ones.

[Steven Crowder]

This specific one.

[Kat Morgan]

Exactly. And by the way, if you needed any proof, it's not that her opinion is incorrect. It's that she said we wanted to get rid of immigrants. Is anybody making that argument right now that we want to get rid of all immigrants? No, I think it's the ones that are here illegally. And the rapists and murderers and people in prison. Yes, you're a moron.

[Steven Crowder]

But even then, let's assume that we know that she's trying to do the word Play. How do you get to not buying burgers in the daytime? Can anyone?

[Colton]

It doesn't make any sense. Well, she's lying and she's trying to come up with these things as she's going. Because she is lying. The question was, what is one thing that you couldn't live without if it was removed from la? And the real answer for her is Jews.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. She'd be screwed.

[Kat Morgan]

Wow.

[Steven Crowder]

Jews and, you know, leather couches.

[Colton]

Yeah. Yeah, I think she got a good start there.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep. All right, well, that was rude. No, it wasn't. All right, let's move on to a real lady, someone who's actually accomplished something. And look, full disclosure, friends of the show have become friends with them recently, having had them on the show. And you're probably familiar with Andrew Wilson. Rachel Wilson is incredibly well read on the history of feminism. And she just appeared on the Joe Rogan show last night. And you could tell that Joe Rogan was really sitting and he was just captivated because he was hearing some things that he had never really heard before. She was expounding on some of the things that were discussed in her book, which, by the way, I highly recommend. It's Occult Feminism, the Secret History of Women's Liberation. I highly recommend it. It's a very short read. You can do the audiobook, but it's worth. Seems like one of those things that's clickbait, but it's not right. She sources it meticulously. So she was on Joe Rogan's show. And I will tell you this. I had, back in the day, there was a lady named Karen Straughan. You can go back and see some interviews with her maybe in 2014. She really not only influenced me, but informed me on women's suffrage, on women getting the right to vote and why it was a scam from the get go. And I remember. Let me ask you this. Do you guys ever have those numbers, stats, historical facts that you hear? You verify that they're true, but they're so difficult to believe because of how you've been conditioned that you have to consistently go back to them? I get that all the time. I used to get that with Donald Trump closing down the border, like 95% reductions in border crossings. I'm like, there's no way that's possible. There's no way that could happen in a year. I know it to be true, but it's hard. That's why you can't always trust your gut. Same thing happened with me, I think, in 2014, when I learned that the overwhelming majority of women did not want the vote. It was hugely unpopular. Which brings us to the first clip of Rachel Wilson on Joe Rogan's show. I would think, okay, well, I think women should have the right to vote. They're human beings. They live here. These are laws that are being.

[Rachel Wilson]

Women really didn't want to be involved in politics. They let them vote on whether they wanted the vote in a huge. The biggest referendum was in Massachusetts. So they let women vote on whether they wanted to vote in a referendum. Of the women that showed up, not a lot of them showed up. It was a fairly smallish number. But of the thousands that showed up to vote, only 4% wanted suffrage on the ballot.

[Steven Crowder]

That's crazy.

[Rachel Wilson]

Only 4%. So guess what Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony did after that? All the pro suffrage leaders, they banned women from voting on whether they wanted to vote. Isn't that crazy?

[Colton]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

And then men gave women the right to vote.

[Kat Morgan]

That's right.

[Steven Crowder]

Think about that for a second. Now, that's a small study. We've given you numbers in the past where it's anywhere from 70 to 80 something percent. If you try and take the totality of data as far as women who were against the vote, she explains why that was the case. I've gotten into that. But you do need to know that top line number, the overwhelming majority of women did not want the vote because of what it came with, because they felt that they had influence and because they didn't want women to be ruined through the process of politics and they thought they would lose some influence and leverage. And here's something else this transitions to. Okay, so that's the case, but people say it's a good thing that they have the vote. And feminism. Right. Has been a good thing overall. Choice. Who could be against choice? Well, Rachel got into that and I think articulated this pretty well. Most women would choose to be stay at home moms, something that feminists proactively try to. They denied the vote for the vote. They also wanted to prevent women from having the option to stay home. So women right now, if you say, well, I can't have it all, I have to make a choice, you can thank feminists who wanted to ensure that you couldn't stay home with your kids. But you'd outsource that.

[Rachel Wilson]

You asked me like, do women really want to be in the workplace or are they only kind of really choosing?

[Steven Crowder]

That's a giant generalization anyway, right? Of course it is. Obviously some women do and some women don't. And there's a lot of women who naturally, maternally want to have children, want to have a family.

[Rachel Wilson]

De Beauvoir, arguably the biggest feminist of Second wave, the French intellectual who was buddies with Jean Paul Sartre, and they got in trouble for grooming underage kids and seducing them and all kinds of crazy stuff. But she's respected as the greatest feminist intellectual of the 20th century. And she was super influential. And in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan, she said, I don't believe that society should give women the opportunity or the choice to stay home and be mothers. Because if we do, they're all gonna pick that. And I don't think it should be an option. So it was the. It was the view of the feminists that, yeah, they. And Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton said that. They said, we would have never passed suffrage had it not been for men. If it was ever left up to women alone, we would have never passed suffrage. They would have never gone for it. They don't want liberation.

[Steven Crowder]

And I really hope that if you're watching this, and I know we have plenty of women who watch, but I hope that you sit down and watch this with your wife or your significant other if you're a man, because there are some truths that are really uncomfortable, and that's something we need to break through if we have this conversation. Go. You know, actually, the 19th may have been a mistake in a lot of ways. People. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You must be a showman. Hold on, hold on. And actually, not just third wave feminism, all feminism may have been not just a mistake, but a very evilly influenced movement. And it's antithetical to all forms of true Christianity when you understand its roots. It's an uncomfortable conversation to have. It's kind of a third rail, but we gotta be honest about it. And that's why I think this conversation was incredibly valuable. And I do think that it's going to become a reference piece. Here's another one. Rachel talks about this. You've heard me discuss this. You've heard me cite those people, by the way, and change my mind. Simone de Beauvoir was sort of the godmother of modern gender theory, though it still existed within a binary before we got to John Money and all of these things. Rachel goes on to talk about how feminists like Margaret Sanger, who I've discussed, and Nazis, kind of one of the same, they were eugenicists, and they decided to make a part of that eugenics plan, not just abortion. We all talk about that. But birth control may be a blind spot for a lot of people.

[Rachel Wilson]

She was getting paid by the Rockefeller foundation and promoted by people like H.G. wells, who she was also having an affair with. They're all a bunch of creepers. Joe. I'm telling you, he was a eugenicist who loved the idea of millions of abortions a year. H.G.

[Steven Crowder]

wells, the war of the Worlds guy, was a eugenicist?

[Rachel Wilson]

Yep. Feminism was instrumental in that. That's actually where the birth control pill came from as well. Margaret Sanger, the Rockefeller foundation, the Kaiser Wilhelm foundation, and a lot of Nazi scientists are the ones who started synthesizing human hormones to make birth control pills. And the way they sold that was they said, look, we know abortion is very unpopular. People don't like it. It's a very terrible thing that we have to do. We have to do it because we don't want all these babies. But, you know, if you let us have the birth control pill and you make it, like, widely available and socially acceptable, abortion will be a thing of the past. Nobody will need one ever again. That's how it was marketed and sold to the world. And it sounds right. It sounds reasonable. Maybe it's better. Maybe it's better just to prevent all the pregnancies, and then we don't have to worry about abortions. But here we are in 2026. You can get abortion, or you can get birth control pills for $4 at Walmart. You can go down to your local health department in your county and get them for free if you're under a certain income status. And we still have. Well, at least before they overturned Roe v. Wade, we still had about a million abortions a year in this country.

[Steven Crowder]

Ah. And that's super important, isn't. Isn't it? We have, okay, the roots of feminism. And she does get into the occult, by the way, and a lot of the spiritualism, and some of it isn't necessarily evil in the way that you would think. It's just degenerate. And it really was sort of people selling snake oil. They knew that they were scamming folks. She's very good at sort of outlining that in the book. So you have the roots of it, all right? It's antithetical to you as a Christian. You cannot be a Christian feminist. It's just not a thing. And then we look at the results. The results are bad. The results are worse. Everything that women have been promised was a lie. The results have been the opposite from feminism. And I want to be clear, this is not. This is not just third wave feminism from its inception. And that was the goal. And that's because feminism is definitively. This is objectively true. It's a subset of Marxist ideology that was part of the Marxist playbook. Right? Divide and conquer. You're not gonna have the numbers unless you break up the family and you have women becoming nagging harpies, to be clear. And I will tell you this. You know, I don't really take part. We do this show and. And I hope the work speaks for itself. We provide all the references. I don't take part in a lot of outside projects, but because I think this is important enough, they did approach me regarding a debate course specifically on feminism, because I think that's a battlefront that's going to be incredibly important, especially when you look at relationship dynamics. She mentioned it on Joe Rogan's show. Here it is.

[Rachel Wilson]

I'm glad you brought that up. I just finished a huge project that I'm working on with Andrew. My. My excellent. Has handsome husband. And Steven Crowder, Dr. David Patrick Harry and Rob Knorr, who's a champion debater. We put together a feminist debate course that's coming out really soon. I think this week. I think it drops this week. And we go over all these myths and debunk them and we tell. We show people and demonstrate, like, how to debate this feminism thing, because it's a leviathan. It's a beast if you take it on. Like, one of the reasons I'm out here doing it is because when men try to argue against feminism or feminists, they immediately get slapped with. You're a misogynist. You hate women. You're an incel. All the tropes. You have a small dick. What are you, gay? Like, just all the insults, right? Well, when I sit in front of them and make those arguments, you can't really just get away with that. You have to contend with them. Because I'm a woman, right? I mean, you could try to insult me, but it's not going to land the same as when you do that to a man.

[Steven Crowder]

And here's something I will say that I love about Rachel. You'd be surprised. Legitimately, she's the meaner one of her and Andrew. But she's not mean. She's just very dismissive. She'll be like, yeah, I know people think that, but that's not really true, is it? And she'll set you straight. You need people like this. You need someone who's an actual mom, who understands history, someone who is actually a strong woman. By the way, if you know her life story as well as physically, she did a lot of powerlifting. Discussed that with Joe Rogan, someone who's actually strong, who can advocate on behalf of femininity and traditional relationships. And that's why I was moved to take part. Look, everything I know I included. Here they have a debate course. You can buy it for $250 or $150. If you purchased the previous debate course, Verbal Combat, you can go to debateuniversity.com it is a multi part series. You have installments with Andrew, there's one with me, there's one with Rachel that I cannot recommend enough Verbal Judo how to debate feminism. You don't have to be the next Julius Caesar in order to change the world. I would say that my approach is probably more suitable if you find yourself at a dinner table, because that's not always in Andrew's wheelhouse.

[Colton]

God love him.

[Kat Morgan]

I've heard the horror stories of how

[Steven Crowder]

feminism has ruined the lives of men, women and children right in my backyard.

[Rachel Wilson]

Most of what the public believes about the history of women's rights is historical, historically inaccurate at best and blatant lies and propaganda at worst.

[Steven Crowder]

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[Rachel Wilson]

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[Steven Crowder]

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[Colton]

Enjoy the go with Charmin.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep. And There you go debateuniversity.com look, we talk about this higher education student debt, right? It's an indoctrination factory. These institutions, it's out of control. So this is a way to start taking some steps to correct that. You don't, you don't always need a degree from an Ivy League school to understand something, to be well read. Sometimes you're. Sometimes a mechanic knows more about politics than a brain surgeon. Sometimes a doctor knows nothing about intergender dynamics. This, if you take this course, debateuniversity.com so for a course, it's actually very affordable. It may sound high compared to things online. You'll be equipped and you won't be caught flat footed ever again. We're going to try and change this and give you the tools that you need. Debateuniversity.com I can't tell you how solid the Wilsons are and I'm glad to have come to know them.

[Kat Morgan]

Yes, absolutely. And so many times in chat we get people asking us from the mud clubbers like, hey, how do we, how do we effectively communicate this? How do I tell a friend this? I'm going to deal with this.

[Steven Crowder]

How do I do this is how.

[Kat Morgan]

It's not just watching shows, that's a great way to get equipped on stuff. But if you really want to understand how to dissect these topics, things like this, that is how you get this done. So please go sign up for this. The feminism thing is something that I've been turned on to over the last probably year, year and a half. And it's like I just keep having, aha, moments about institutions I've been a part of in the past or places I've been. And I'm like, I had no idea. The influence, sometimes great, sometimes small, but it was there.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And it's just shocking.

[Kat Morgan]

So go check this out.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep. And I think, look, in summary, you guys come. Do you think that you can be a Christian and be a feminist and then go check out her book, read up on the history of it and come back, tell me it doesn't mean that you can't advocate on behalf of women. Nobody wants to live in a world where women are being swatted by their husbands. Swatted, that's a different term now. Being smacked around by their husbands and being left for secretary. But that's not the world that we lived in. That's the lie you were presented with. The world you live in now is a world where people aren't getting married. We have a divorce rate through the roof and millions of Onlyfans who are below the age of 20.

[Kat Morgan]

Yeah, it's terrible.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go. And a holocaust. A holocaust, an abortion holocaust. That's the world we live in. So the results objectively are bad. It was by design from its inception. I will just say that just like people say you cannot be a pro abortion Christian. I think a closed handed issue needs to be. Needs to be seen as just, just as closed handed. You cannot be a Christian feminist in the year 2026. And ignorance is no defense. By the way, thank you to Dan Bongino rated us. So welcome Bongino. Army coming in. We're glad to have you. And we're gonna be talking now about Iran. Yeah, isn't that fun?

[Colton]

Yes, it is. It's a very fun place.

[Steven Crowder]

You know, again, you know, you don't need to pull back just because you thought you were drunk on the live stream.

[Kat Morgan]

He didn't think he was.

[Steven Crowder]

I didn't see, I. You said you felt I was like

[Colton]

I was a little toasted.

[Steven Crowder]

You were fine. What are you like that's my fault. Because the drinking game rules were so effective. Was.

[Kat Morgan]

I haven't gone back and watched.

[Steven Crowder]

Was I. I called Gerald an. You did?

[Colton]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was kidding. I was kidding around, but you know,

[Steven Crowder]

kind of that's why I thought that you might be one of those guys who's like an alcoholic where it just clears the fog. Because you were calling him. Exactly. Maybe that's it.

[Colton]

Maybe that's it. Yeah. I don't know.

[Kat Morgan]

Really?

[Colton]

Well, I mean, are you guys.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, we haven't had much to say today.

[Kat Morgan]

It's.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, I'm just saying. But you mentioned that yesterday. I was like, oh, no, I had fun on that stream. It was just the drinking game rules

[Kat Morgan]

were rough on the nose.

[Colton]

Oh, I got a lot to say about Iran.

[Steven Crowder]

Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran, Iran. I don't care. Whatever you want to call it, it's a crappy place. Look, here's the thing with Iran. I want to frame this discussion in so that we aren't missing each other and we aren't simply generating an environment where it's going to be never ending infighting. When people say we used to be able to have civil discussions or disagreements. That's correct. But I've also told you it's not correct. As far as with the left, for example, on abortion, you can't actually have a discussion based on a lie as common ground. That. Oh, we just have. No, that's a fundamentally different worldview. They believe the left Abortion up until and including birth on demand, period. Okay. We cannot have what someone might call a productive disagreement on whether children can transition. Right? But here's the weird thing. To me, you will see people on the right being civil and crossing the aisle to link arms with those people while cannibalizing those in our movement over policy differences. For example, on Iran, that would have historically been within the scope of reason entirely. I think there is a case to be made on both sides here with Iran. I think there have been some missteps. I also acknowledge the threat that Iran is. And I also need to really lay the foundation here for all of the disagreements. Should we do something? Should we not do anything? Why do you think we might engage? One thing that's paramount. There is absolutely no betrayal taking place from Donald Trump if action is taken on Iran. Anyone who voted for Donald Trump and believes that they are being betrayed, if he bombs Iran or if he takes military action was an uninformed voter. You need to take accountability for that. You may disagree with them. I have many candidates I voted for. As a matter of fact, every single one with whom I have disagreements, but I accept it. You may have had that with Donald Trump on Iran, but we can go back to 2011 and he has been very, very clear that Iran cannot have a nuke and he would be strong on Iran. Before he was running for president, he was criticizing Barack Obama's actions on Iran. It's not him doing a 180. You may disagree with his stance. If he were to say, hey, we're gonna deport people or we are going to secure the border and do the opposite, that would be a betrayal. Donald Trump's bumper sticker, his slogan might as well have been, close the border, no new wars. Except Iran can never have a nuke and I'll do whatever it takes.

[Colton]

That's a long bumper sticker.

[Kat Morgan]

That was a good one.

[Steven Crowder]

But that could have been his entire foreign policy. Like, yeah, no new wars, you know, non interventionism. But Iran we're keeping our eye on. He was super clear about that. So let me tell you where this discussion, I think, can be fruitful and where it can't. First off, Israel and Iran, to me, irrelevant. Of course Israel has a problem with Iran. They have a vested interest in Iran being neutered. I get that. But let's just say Canada had nukes and ballistic missiles aimed at Israel, but they also had some aimed at the United States. That doesn't mean that the United States is fighting a war for Israel. If they say Canada we have our eyes on your nukes. Two people can hate the same bad actor and two people can be in a conflict with them, and it doesn't mean that they're acting on each other's behalf. I absolutely agree with anyone who says we should not go to war for the interests of Israel.

[Kat Morgan]

Correct.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, we all agree on that. Then we have to ask, okay, outside of that, is there a separate interest that the United States would have in Iran not being a nuclear power or them, frankly, not being a power broker of any kind? So just to be clear, when you hear things like. I get it. In other words, I get it. When you hear things like this, Ben Shapiro saying this, it's tone deaf and it muddies the waters. I will tell you that everyone else is watching. If the United States backs off of this and cut some sort of unbelievably weak deal, the consequences will not just be for the Middle east, where Israel will be forced to ramp up its military even more and probably go and attack Iran itself. Given Iran's capacity and increasing capacity in both nuclear and ballistic missile development and its renewed attempts to support terrorism, I'll take framing it the worst way humanly possible for 500, Alex. If we. If we don't do it, then Israel might have to. So you're saying that we should do this so that Israel doesn't. I'm not in agreement with that guy.

[Colton]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Couldn't care less if it was just a conflict with Israel and Iran. So that brings us to point number two, the United States and Iran. Is it in our interest to prevent Iran from becoming some kind of a serious nuclear power? Well, you could go down the list, go to the largest sponsor, state sponsor of terrorism. Of course, there's that choke point next to the strait of hormones. About a quarter of global oil and a fifth of natural gas go through there. 80% of Iranian oil goes to China. There have been alleged assassination attempts and plots on US Leaders, including President Trump. I would also say that, you know, President Trump put himself on the hook for the protesters, saying that if you guys kill protesters, it's going to be bad for you. Which is also why I think the timing right now, this has been poorly executed. If something does happen. But it is super important again, because I see black pillars out there going, this is a huge betrayal. That is not a valid argument. President Trump has been saying since at least 2011. Here's 2011, I believe this is a quote from President Trump, right? Yes. America's primary goal with Iran must be to destroy its nuclear Ambitions. Let me put them as plainly as I know how. Iran's nuclear program must be stopped by any and all means necessary, period. We cannot allow this radical regime to acquire a nuclear weapon that they will either use or handoff to terrorists. Okay, so we go. Don't care about Israel and Iran. Does the United States have its own separate conflict with Iran? The answer is yes. Has Donald Trump been consistent as far as a presidential candidate and a president in saying that Iran is a threat? Yes. So the conversation really comes down to one point here. Is it worth it? And what should we do given that? So here's what I think. A very clear case needs to be made to the American people if action is going to be taken on Iran. Good arguments to be made on both sides. Doesn't mean that you're a shill. Let's go through the timeline here as to why this may be escalating right now. I will tell you this. I think Donald Trump backed himself into a corner by saying, if you kill protesters, it's not going to be good for you. They killed thousands of protesters.

[Colton]

I think that was a good time, too, by the way, as far as how the perception is, what you're doing, how other people look at it, the optics, that would have been a great time. And then to help, you were laying out earlier how.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, but does that make sense? Let's separate that and go, okay. And this is how we used to have conversation. We used to have political discussions, right? This would have been a reasonable discussion for people to say, all right, okay, look, Maduro. All right, now Iran, are we at a point where something needs to be done and any bad actor. If you look throughout human history, it really just comes down to an inflection point. It just comes down to have they gone far enough where it requires someone stepping in. Has Iran? I don't have a definitive answer and I don't think anybody does because the communication has been bad. But there certainly is a point in time where I think we would all have to acknowledge that it really just comes down to a judgment call. Have they reached that right now? So on February 19, President Trump told reporters that Iran had 10 to 15 days to make a deal or very bad things would happen. Keep in mind, this was pre negotiations, so this was clearly a way to generate leverage. You said today on Iran, bad things will happen.

[Rachel Wilson]

If Iran doesn't really bad things, what will that.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm not going to talk to you about that.

[Rachel Wilson]

What is the goal if there is a US Military?

[Steven Crowder]

Well, we're going to Make a deal or we're going to get a deal one way or the other.

[Rachel Wilson]

But with the military strike, you need to wipe out their nuclear power.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm not going to talk to you about that. But we're either going to get a deal or it's going to be unfortunate for them. I would think that would be enough time. 10, 15 days, pretty much maximum.

[Kat Morgan]

So pretty clear.

[Colton]

That's not very clear actually. It's 10 to 15 days maybe.

[Kat Morgan]

No, I mean it's pretty clear. It's like, yeah, bad things are going to happen. Make a deal.

[Colton]

He gave him the old Steven Seagal, right?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, bad things happen. What you mean for the buffet?

[Kat Morgan]

Hey, come on.

[Steven Crowder]

The toilet. Going to wrist lock the Golden Corral now. But this administration has not been super clear on what the goals are, why there may be conflict with Iran. So there were negotiations. Nothing seemed to came from them. Don't take my word for it. Links references in the description.

[Colton]

But it's difficult to see how the Americans could possibly be satisfied with the outcome of those talks. Has been detailed to us so far. We saw the Iranian and Omani negotiators basically trying to project this as an optimistic outcome, a breakthrough. But there has been absolute silence from the Americans and the negotiation party there, Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son in law. They're a long way from where they wanted to be, which was a complete end to Iran's nuclear program. We know that the US President is today meeting with his key advisers to discuss his options. But here in Israel, analysts are saying it won't be a question of whether America strikes, but what targets they choose.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, and it seems like that's imminent because the US Embassy in Israel told staffers to leave. China told its citizens in Iran to evacuate as soon as possible. There are F22s in Israel for the first time ever. There's been the largest naval buildup in the region since 2003. And those negotiations. So this is where the messaging matters. I think Rubio was more effective. Look, we've discussed enrichment and that was the primary discussion before Iran. Enriching uranium to the point well beyond the need for civilian use. If Iran didn't build a nuke, they would be the first nation to reach 60% uranium enrichment in the history of the world to not build a nuclear weapon. Let me ask you, do you really think that Iran is that much of a stand up guy that they'd be the first or to go? It's pretty clear whether they were enriching Uranium.

[Colton]

Another question. Do you really think Iran or Iran is the kind of place that's developing a nuclear weapon for protection?

[Steven Crowder]

Right. That's exactly.

[Colton]

For defense.

[Steven Crowder]

Exactly right.

[Kat Morgan]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

So yesterday the negotiations were focused enrichment, but the other component, ballistic missiles, meaning the ability to deliver the payload. The negotiations tomorrow and the talks tomorrow will be largely focused on the nuclear program. And we hope progress can be made because that's the President's preference to make progress on the diplomatic front. But it's also important to remember that Iran refuses, refuses to talk about the ballistic missiles to us or to anyone. And that's a big problem. Vice President J.D. vance reiterated. And just like Donald Trump has been saying since at least 2011, Iran can't have the bomb.

[Kat Morgan]

The principle is very simple.

[Steven Crowder]

Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

[Kat Morgan]

If they try to rebuild their nuclear weapon, that causes problems for us.

[Steven Crowder]

And in fact we've seen evidence that they have tried to do exactly that.

[Kat Morgan]

So the President sending those negotiators to try to address that problem. As the President has said repeatedly, he wants to address that problem diplomatically. But of course the President has other options as well.

[Steven Crowder]

And he said the idea that we're going to be in a Middle Eastern war for years with no one in sight, there's no chance that will happen. Here's what I'll say if that is incorrect. If we end up in a never ending war in the Middle east, which I think is very unlikely, then JD Vance should be held accountable and should get nowhere in a primary. I think that's fair.

[Colton]

I agree. Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

I think we need to hold them to their word as far as our communications. I think there's a very big difference between few flyovers or strategic strikes and war. And I think we do allow for that possibility because everyone said we were at World War Three when we carried out the strike against their enrich enrichment facilities last year. Of course we're not in World War iii. Here are the demands from the United States and I think they're reasonable. No enrichment period. No ballistic missiles, period. Iran wants the right, they want to enrich and they're asking that they get some sanctions relief before talking about missiles, which to me is just first and then we'll talk.

[Kat Morgan]

What?

[Steven Crowder]

They want to talk about energy exports. They want to talk about military weapon proliferation. They want to talk about finance, shadow back banking, shipping. They want to talk about mining, manufacturing. They also demanded a live concert from Brooks and or done.

[Colton]

Which one is it? Is that Dunn or Brooks?

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know, but they broke up. We can't do that for you. Rain, you got anything else we also can't do? Simon and. Or Garfunkel

[Kat Morgan]

or Crosby Steels or Nash?

[Steven Crowder]

No. Here's the other thing going on, right? They're the largest funder of state. Funder of terrorism. You know, Pakistan announced that it's in an open war with the Taliban right now, to be clear. So this is going on. And remember, the Taliban said that they would support Iran if they were fighting against the United States. There's some pretty strong evidence of funding between Iran's Revolutionary Guards and the Taliban. This is a very, very unstable country. There are a lot of most countries in that region. So take Israel out of it, take the United States out of it. Saudi Arabia, plenty of European nations.

[Kat Morgan]

The G7 issued a statement on it.

[Steven Crowder]

G7, Egypt. At a certain point, you can't just say that everyone is in on some kind of a gag. Iran is not the kind of nation that you want to have any nuclear weapon capabilities, period. Comes down to what do we do about it? And how is that being communicated to the American people? This is where this administration falls short. They need to, I've told you, told you guys this. Marry every action with a very clear communication. So for example, the communication that was taken, one can come first or the other, depending on the situation. When he said, if they start killing protesters, it's gonna be very bad for them. That was a communication. The action should have been married with that communication. Yeah, you'd still have people saying that you're in the pockets of Israel, but at least you'd have the reasonable folks in this country understand why. And there were a lot of people who thought that the Iranian revolutionaries deserved some support. Right now, the communication is not being married to the action. So people who aren't paying attention, and even people who are paying attention may feel as though they are left in the dark. You gotta communicate, be clear on your objectives, be in and out. Of course, no Americans on the ground. Think let's. Let's find the areas on which we agree. Okay? Number one, Israel has nothing to do with this. We do not act on behalf of Israel, period. And I don't want Israel leading the dance in any way, shape or form. In other words, if Iran was an ally. They're not. But if they were and Israel had a problem with them, you're on your own, Israel. Do we agree with that?

[Kat Morgan]

100%.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. No American boots on the ground. 100%. I think we all agree on that. Don't try and convince us that you've Been consistent on this messaging as far as this administration. Like, own it. Be clear about it. You can point back to Donald Trump's position, but be clear as to the actions you are taking and why, and be in and out. I think if we're looking at something like the enrichment facility, if we're looking at something like Maduro, a mission like that, that's something that a lot of Americans can stomach. A war is not. And I think we're seeing a lot of people on the left and the black pillars trying to tell you this is all about war. This is all. Remember we used to get that with George W. Bush. It's war for oil. War for oil. Hold on a second. Why would we go to war with Iran? Why would we carry out any military intervention or strikes in Iran if not due to national security interests? Like, what financial interest do we have in it? It doesn't make sense. Let's be honest about this discussion and have a very clear framework as to where we disagree. But that's. You can't even get there right now. I don't want my son to die for Israel. Well, no one does. No one does. I think we all agree on that. Donald Trump is betraying us by now. No, he's not. He's been super, super clear. And by the way, if Donald Trump, for example, said, now, let's say that he had a different stance on Iraq, saying, actually, I want to go in and finish what was started, I would completely disagree with him. If that was his platform. Yeah, I would have voted for him anyway compared to Kamala Harris. And that would have been a disagreement over which I would try and press the administration and hold them accountable. You may find yourself in that boat with Iran where you like Donald Trump's policies on immigration, you liked his policies on deportations, you liked his policies as it related to the economy, maybe tariffs, Doge. But maybe you just. You didn't like President Trump's policies or his viewpoint that Iran cannot be allowed to have a nuke and we would intervene if we felt that they were getting close or the ability to deliver said nuke. It's okay. For example, I don't agree with Donald Trump's stance on abortion. In some cases, we wouldn't be completely aligned. But I voted for him anyway. I'm not going to lie and say that he's switching something on me because I knew that when I voted for him. That's something that I see is a pretty consistent issue and is used to lead people astray.

[Kat Morgan]

Yeah, absolutely. And I want him to be able to do whatever it takes to make Americans safe. I don't want people to, like, forget the idea that there are dangers in the world that will make us less safe. We don't want to use that as cover to go do something that we've done in the past that hasn't worked to great effect. I get that. I understand why people are hesitant, but it doesn't mean that doesn't exist. Lane made a great point earlier. He said, put Iran with a nuclear weapon and think about North Korea, all the actions that they take, what they do. Right. We can't touch them.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Kat Morgan]

Because they have nukes.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Kat Morgan]

If you give that to Iran, Iran's not just sitting there passively kind of doing their thing in a corner. They're actively trying to subvert not only Israel, but other players. And they would then have a nuclear weapon, and we would not really be able to touch them the same way that we can right now to keep them from doing it.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, Iran is. Would be actively trying to destabilize energy globally, to be clear. And Iran is buddying up more and more with China and Russia. This is something.

[Kat Morgan]

They want to kill Israel and they want to kill us.

[Colton]

We're a big Satan.

[Kat Morgan]

For a long time.

[Colton]

He said it.

[Kat Morgan]

I don't agree with everything Senator Huckabee says in his interview with Tucker Carlson, but he's not wrong on that because we have the videos of them chanting it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, but I would just even eliminate Israel from the conversation. Yeah, I don't even bring them up. They're irrelevant to me in this conversation.

[Kat Morgan]

They want to kill us.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't care.

[Colton]

That argument. When they say we're fighting for. We're just. We're just doing this for Israel. We're just fighting on behalf of Israel. They called them Little Satan. They called us Big Satan. That's like if somebody called.

[Kat Morgan]

Forget that.

[Colton]

It's like if somebody called Steven, you know, little and called me big.

[Kat Morgan]

Yeah.

[Colton]

I'd still want to fight that guy. And it has nothing to do with Steven being a.

[Steven Crowder]

No. Well, Gerald did that this morning.

[Kat Morgan]

I did? Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Kat Morgan]

Did he really?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, but he.

[Colton]

I didn't hear him say that.

[Steven Crowder]

No, but he's giant faggot, so it's okay. Oh, oh, oh, yeah. I'm little faggot. You're a big faggot. He's giant fat.

[Kat Morgan]

How did that work?

[Steven Crowder]

Huh? What do you. Because you're giant.

[Colton]

No, it makes sense to me.

[Steven Crowder]

The height charts.

[Colton]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

Like, what do you say?

[Kat Morgan]

How did this work? I mean, how does it work?

[Colton]

You saw Steven's pose earlier.

[Kat Morgan]

Yeah, it's on me.

[Steven Crowder]

So is there any.

[Kat Morgan]

What do you.

[Steven Crowder]

Look, let's, let's open this up quick to, around to it. What do you think? What do you think that something should

[Kat Morgan]

be done, what I think we should do, or.

[Steven Crowder]

Here's what I think. You have the, the arranging and then you tell me. I think we're kind of all on the same page because this is a complicated issue. They cannot get to the point where they could have the enriched uranium to build a nuke. All right? That's one component. The other component is to have the kind of missiles that could deliver that payload. All right? Whichever one comes first does need to be stopped because then you're just, you're just inches away from it being a significant threat.

[Kat Morgan]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

And I certainly understand that that is Donald Trump's stance. It has been that stance since before he ever announced running for president.

[Colton]

I'm gonna take a page out of Warren Smith's book. He's on the show earlier this week or last week, but he was saying, you know, sometimes, you know, it's, it, it seems silly to argue something to him. To me too, that I don't know all the details about. And I don't know all the detail. We can't know all the details. I don't know what. Jared, by the way, I don't know if that's our best negotiator. I know why he's always negotiating on behalf of our. Well, yeah, he gets us, he gets million dollar planes stuff, but no, yeah, I guess I don't, I don't know some nepotism going on there, but I don't know all the details of all these negotiations. I don't know what is actually happening in Iran. I don't know what's being said at the negotiation table. I don't know what's being denied. I don't know how we're handling. I don't know all the details. So for me, it's like, well, I'm gonna be, you know, hard pressed to give an opinion before it happens until, you know, after it happens, if we learn all the details. Oh, yeah, well, that was a, that

[Steven Crowder]

was a good move. Right. I think it's important too, really important for you to not make your decisions or form your opinion being completely emotionally charged. And that's what I, that's what I see. As far as the bad actors on the right put, Put it this way. Remember, there was a point where we believe that Iran was behind the assassination plot of Donald Trump or one of them. Let's say that when that happened definitively we were able to prove, hey, Iran was behind this. And then Donald Trump said, I'm gonna make them pay. Believe me, I'm the only thing between them and you. And then he bombed the hell out of them. I bet you a lot more of you would have understood it and supported it. Yeah, well, they have been behind assassination plots. You just haven't married that narrative, that communication with the action. Right. Slaughtering their own people in the streets. Then you add big estate funder of terrorism, destabilizing energy across the globe, an alliance with Russia and China. Right. If you add those things up, but if you put yourself back in that emotional state, you would understand it. Now people want to put you in the opposite emotional state going, Iran's no threat and you're going to see your children in the military die for Israel.

[Colton]

That's the thing is no matter how you look at it, Iran is a threat.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Colton]

I mean, not just to us, not just to Israel like it is a global threat is a threat to Western civilization for sure. That's not even arguable.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Kat Morgan]

To its own people.

[Colton]

I mean, whether you make a decision to operate inside their boundaries based on that is a different thing. But you have to establish that they are a threat to the rest of the. Well, at least the Western world.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And I do think that unfortunately that this is all kind of marred by. Look, the statement that Ben Shapiro made is incredibly corrosive. Yeah. Think there are people out there who do seemingly care about Israel more than the United States. I get it. That's a problem. I'm not saying that he does, but it comes across that way when you say if the United States doesn't, then, my God, Israel might have to fight their own conflicts. That's what he is saying.

[Colton]

It's not the first time a clip like that has made the, the face of the right wing movement.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Colton]

Hey, that's, that's one guy with a last name that sounds like that's his opinion. But that's not how all of us feel.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. Yeah. So you end up with these voices going, hey, if we don't do it, then Israel is going to have to defend themselves. And then people going, see this whole administration is paid off by the Israeli government. Let's, let's put those two aside. Do we live in a world, do you honestly live in a world where you believe that there is no nation that could present as a threat to the United States, regardless of their relationships with other nations. Like, that's a fantasy world.

[Kat Morgan]

Doesn't make sense at all.

[Steven Crowder]

And that's a liberal view of the world. That's not a practical. It's not a logical view of the world. But these voices are awful, and it's time for them to kind of either understand the damage they have caused or go away.

[Kat Morgan]

Yeah, absolutely. And I think my answer to this is that a negotiated settlement is the absolute best possible outcome. If you have a reliable, trustworthy partner on the other side that will be transparent. I don't think that has ever been this Iranian regime since we've had an agreement with them. And that was my problem with the one that Dave always cites. He's like, but we had a deal with them under Obama. Yeah, that was an issue because it had sunset provisions. And why would you go to 60 anyway?

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Kat Morgan]

My problem with where they are right now is that Iran is doing the very thing that they say that they're not doing. We don't want nukes, but we're going to 60%. Nobody's ever done that before. You've gone too far for me. If you were at 20% enrichment or 15, and you go to, like, a medical kind of isotope enrichment level where you stay right around there, that's a different story. But when you go to 60, you're basically saying, we're doing this to keep you away. Well, I can't know the difference now.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Kat Morgan]

That is now a problem that I have to solve. And I feel like this is a problem that will have to be solved one way or the other, now or later. It is not going to go away.

[Steven Crowder]

No, it's not.

[Kat Morgan]

It will just end with them either getting a nuclear weapon, at which point the calculus changes in the region completely, not just for us, but for everybody else. Or we change this regime.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Kat Morgan]

And it would have to be us in some form or fashion with the Iranian civilian civilians rising up against their own people. I just don't know how that happens. And I don't want American boots on the ground for any of it.

[Colton]

A regime change doesn't happen without boots on the ground.

[Kat Morgan]

I know.

[Colton]

And they might not be boots that you ever hear or see, but it does not happen without boots on the ground.

[Steven Crowder]

The only thing I would argue it perhaps could have happened while the revolution was in full swing with some strategic strikes where we've given them the ability to. And I think that was if we were going to do it. Yeah. Don't. That would have been the time to do it, I think.

[Kat Morgan]

Don't the Jews have space lasers? Can't they just point one of those puppies back down at Tehran somewhere?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Can't you just, can't you just point a Cuban microwave at them?

[Kat Morgan]

Yeah, it's kind of like World of the Worlds. You just kind of like.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. So I, you know, I forgot we went a little bit late today, so. And again, welcome Bongino viewers. We are going to send the rest of you to go watch Tim Pool, but we're going to continue. Rumble Premium. Mug Club is Rumble Premium. Rumble Premium is Mug Club. Usually Fridays are just for those who are Rumble Premium members, But we do 100% more show every day of the week, 11am Eastern. $99 a year or you can support it for $9 a month. But we can't ship you the wonderful hand etched mug because it costs more than the $9 you would pay for a month. We're gonna continue though, with this story. A trans activist just went off at the Los Angeles City Council. Then we're going to actually cover here. A sex offender who lied about it is also running for city council. And the left is holding this person out to be like someone reformed even though they're not. So this is first two different weird gender bending. There's trans and then I guess a basic gay who seems trans. Louisiana City Council. Here's someone demanding meaningful investment into trans communities. And boy, Kaitlan Collins from CNN has really fallen off history. Will remember how you protected us. Oh, Caitlyn Axe, I am a proud.

[Colton]

It.