Is the Sig Sauer P320 Killing People & Trump Wins the Trade War: Guest Brandon Herrera

Summary

Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder – "Is the Sig Sauer P320 Killing People & Trump Wins the Trade War: Guest Brandon Herrera"

Host: Steven Crowder
Guest: Brandon Herrera
Release Date: July 31, 2025
Description: Steven Crowder discusses the controversial safety issues surrounding the Sig Sauer P320 pistol and delves into the successes of Donald Trump's trade policies, featuring insights from gun expert Brandon Herrera.

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1. Introduction

The episode opens with Steven Crowder welcoming viewers to the live show on Rumble, setting the stage for discussions on two pivotal topics: the alleged safety issues with the Sig Sauer P320 pistol and the triumphs of Donald Trump's trade policies. Crowder introduces Brandon Herrera, a respected firearm expert, to provide an in-depth analysis of the P320 controversy.

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2. Trump's Trade War and Economic Policies

a. Overview of Trump's Trade Policies

Crowder praises Donald Trump's approach to trade deals, emphasizing the use of tariffs and strategic negotiations to improve America's economic standing. He highlights the unexpected success of these policies, which defied initial predictions of a looming recession.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([25:29]): "Donald Trump's economic policy on trade... was going to be a calamity, we were going to see a recession. It's been working out really well as far as all economic indicators."

b. Finalization of the Trade Deal with South Korea

The discussion focuses on the imminent deadline for countries to finalize trade agreements with the United States. Crowder announces that President Trump remains steadfast, refusing to extend the August 1 deadline.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([34:08]): "President Trump finally addressed them. He said, 'Canada has just announced that it is backing statehood for Palestine. That will make it very hard for us to make a trade deal with them.'"

c. Reactions from Media and CNN

Crowder criticizes CNN for their negative outlook on Trump's trade policies, which have proven to be more beneficial than anticipated. He accuses the media of moving goalposts to maintain their narrative despite evidence to the contrary.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([30:52]): "CNN is still really, really mad because they predicted the disaster... They have to move the goalposts."

d. Other Trade Deals with Countries

The podcast highlights additional trade negotiations with countries like India, Russia, and Brazil, underscoring Trump's aggressive stance in using tariffs as leverage to secure favorable deals for the U.S.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([37:43]): "They throw their gas if they don't want to be collecting. Nick DiPaolo: ‘Do you have to train or use a tariff?’ Steven Crowder: 'Yeah, exactly. That's a good.'"

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3. Sig Sauer P320 Controversy

a. Overview of the Sig P320 Issues

The conversation shifts to the Sig Sauer P320, the official pistol of the U.S. Army, which has been embroiled in safety controversies due to alleged accidental discharges. Crowder expresses concern over the weapon's reliability and Sig Sauer's handling of the situation.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([57:12]): "This pistol firing when he got out of his vehicle. Yeah, no deal."

b. Responses from Sig Sauer

Sig Sauer has consistently denied the safety issues, attributing accidental discharges to user error. They launched a voluntary upgrade program to address the concerns but have been criticized for not acknowledging inherent flaws in the design.

Notable Quote:
Brandon Herrera ([63:32]): "But if you think that there is an issue, which there's not, you could send it into us voluntarily and we'll fix the issue that doesn't exist."

c. Testimonies and Incidents Involving Police

Several incidents are cited where the P320 allegedly discharged without a trigger pull, resulting in injuries or fatalities. One notable case involves a police officer in Milwaukee whose P320 fired unintentionally, leading to serious injury.

Notable Quote:
Teresa Thige ([52:13]): "Police officer Sam Schrader was part of a chase. His body camera captured His Sig Sauer P320 firing when he got out of his vehicle."

d. Guest Brandon Herrera's Analysis

Brandon Herrera provides expert insights, explaining the mechanical flaws that may lead to accidental discharges. He criticizes Sig Sauer for not adequately addressing the issues and for prioritizing military contracts over consumer safety.

Notable Quote:
Brandon Herrera ([60:02]): "It's something that we've been known this for years. Like, it's been a meme in the gun community that the P320 fails drop safety tests."

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4. Discussion on Police Training and Gun Rights

a. Police Training Standards

Crowder and Herrera debate the adequacy of police training in firearm usage, pointing out that many officers receive minimal training, which may contribute to the high incidence of accidental discharges. They argue that civilian gun owners often receive more frequent training than law enforcement officers.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([20:40]): "I trained with 100 rounds, so twice that of the average officer."

b. Right to Carry Firearms

The episode touches on the broader implications of permitless carry laws, with Crowder asserting that legal gun owners are typically more responsible and better trained than the police they interact with.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([25:55]): "If you fire more than one box of ammo per year, you're doing better than your local PD in most states."

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5. Corporate Accountability and Military Contracts

a. Influence of Military Contracts on Firearm Companies

Crowder highlights how lucrative military contracts can lead firearm companies like Sig Sauer to prioritize meeting contract requirements over addressing safety concerns raised by consumers and law enforcement.

Notable Quote:
Brandon Herrera ([65:44]): "No. And I think that could be part of it where if they admit there is a problem with the civilian side stuff, then they have to maybe go in and revert and do a very expensive upgrade to all their military contract."

b. Free Market and Accountability

The discussion underscores the importance of the free market in holding companies accountable. Crowder criticizes Sig Sauer for attempting to discredit legitimate safety concerns to protect their financial interests.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([57:17]): "With the free market, but they get it wrong sometimes, especially if they feel enabled by the government."

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6. Closing Remarks

Steven Crowder wraps up the discussion by reiterating the need for firearm companies to prioritize safety and transparency. He emphasizes the importance of consumer vigilance and informed purchasing decisions to ensure responsible gun ownership.

Notable Quote:
Steven Crowder ([66:48]): "It's a certain persuasion and in some cases, police officers. Let's be honest. Not all, but some. We'll get to the SIG story in a little bit."

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Louder with Crowder," Steven Crowder and guest Brandon Herrera provide a critical examination of the Sig Sauer P320 pistol's safety issues, highlighting the lack of adequate responses from the manufacturer despite multiple incidents of accidental discharges. Concurrently, they celebrate the effective trade policies implemented under Donald Trump, arguing against media narratives that predicted economic downturns due to these policies. The episode underscores the interplay between corporate interests, military contracts, and consumer safety, advocating for greater accountability and informed decision-making among gun owners.

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Note: This summary captures the key discussions and insights from the podcast episode, including direct quotes with timestamps for reference. It is structured to provide clarity and comprehensive coverage of the topics addressed.

Transcript

[Steven Crowder]

Welcome to the lineup live on rumble. That's from 9 mm, 9am Eastern. We found out I might have. You remember that little medieval times story about smacking my head in the glass hard. It may have been a. That would explain the vertigo throwing up. 9am I supposed to ease back into activities, not be up at 4:30 wearing silly costumes, doing dueling Scott Steps. 9am Eastern to 7pm Eastern live here to change that dial. Welcome, of course, viewers from Vincent Bongino army, always Bongino Army. Vincent, which comes from the Latin name Vincente and all the Romance languages are based in Latin, roughly translates to I don't want to do this anyway. It's a dead language. Who cares? It's the deadline of Trump's golden age. The trade deals, the tariffs and South Korea came to the table. So that's pretty fun. And we just can't stop winning. So we're gonna be talking about that and also have Brandon Herrera on the show. I guess you say gun expert, gun specialist, huge channel because sig P320 and going through these expensive, lengthy military trials to become the official pistol of the army is allegedly going off and shooting people. And there's some controversy around that. But the handling thereafter from SIG taking a steaming dump on you, the American customer base doesn't seem to be going all that well. And remember that Cincinnati PD chief saying that the gang beating from the pack of blacks on the defenseless white. There are two sides. Well, we did some digging. We found some other opinions from this police chief and whether you should have the right to carry a firearm. Not all cops are your friends. So let me ask you this today, different theme. What's your everyday carry? If you don't carry a firearm, it could be your pocket knife, it could be your flashlight, it could be whatever. And if you do, what's your everyday carry as far as a firearm? On with the show, viewer discretion. Bad girls what you want, what you want, what you want me to do? Bad girls, bad girls what you going to do? What you going to do when they come for you? Bad girls, bad girls what you going to do? What you going to do when they come for you? Feminist Cops is filmed on location with the brave, strong women of law enforcement. All suspects are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Bad girls, bad girls what you gonna do? What you gonna do when we make up for you? Click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or $9.99 a month to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of Content creators and free speech. It's the level of cruelty in this studio. Just in case. I hear people, you know, you treat this Gerald so bad. We all treat Gerald badly because he's 6 foot 10 and he can handle it. I receive it all the time. We have a full house today, by the way, just so I don't have to do this late with Brennan Herrera on. I will be doing some demonstrations here just so you can all see. We've checked this many times, everyone in the studio. Oh, there you go. Nothing in here. Because I'll be. Thanks.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Whatever you say, Alec Baldwin.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go. Okay, just making sure everyone can see. All right. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Okay, cool.

[Gerald Morgan]

You have to point it at Gerald.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I know.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Every time he tests me.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't point it at the one that. I don't point it at the one that counts. That's right. Before. I wish people could show, people could see, because there was an ad that went out that included the old lineup that didn't include Nick DePaulo. And he was like, hey, why am I not in it? We're like, well, you. And then he just saw this before the show. He goes like, oh, look, I'm back in the ad. I said, you've always been the ad. He goes, no, no. I said, this is ours. You've always. He goes, I mean, the one that counts.

[Nick DiPaolo]

As I was saying. And I knew it was wrong, but.

[Steven Crowder]

I continued, well, maybe I get it. Anyway, it's a live show. We're on the lineup, of course, weekdays including tomorrow, but only if you're a Rumble Premium member. Captain Morgan, CEO, glad to have you here. And we have, actually, third and fourth chair today. It's a full house. Nick Depaolo, who's on at 6pm every day. Rumble Live lineup. You can watch it free. And he's going to be at Side Splitters Comedy Club, August 8th and 9th in Tampa, Florida. And then Josh Firestein August 1st and 2nd. So this weekend, Helium Comedy Club Atlanta, go support live comedy. Gentlemen, hello. Sorry that this doesn't matter.

[Gerald Morgan]

I always thought it counted.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know.

[Nick DiPaolo]

It's all right. I mean, it gets the job done.

[Steven Crowder]

Let's see, what do we have? We have that. We have Paco Blacks. How else can we just destroy the program? All right, I know. Before we get to the Golden Day trade deadline, I'm trying to think, how can we kill momentum? More effect. Oh, wnba. So here you go. You know, they throw things out in the field, the ice. Like the. For some reason, the Red Wings, they throw an octopus, which I never really fully understood.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I could explain.

[Steven Crowder]

I know that you can, but it's more fun if. I don't know. It's like, hey, Red Wings. Okay, Red Wings. What do we have there? Detroit. It's the Motor City. Let's have an octopus. Was Ringo Starr their marketer?

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

What are they gonna throw used tampons on the octopus?

[Steven Crowder]

Just throw their gas if they don't want to be collecting.

[Nick DiPaolo]

That's a Red Wing.

[Steven Crowder]

But there's a new thing being thrown on to the field of play. Thus enters the wnba. Hayes gets blocked by Maya Caldwell. Something flies on the court. Actually, from the crowd, the officials will say they will continue playing. Zero.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Nice shot. Nice shot.

[Gerald Morgan]

She almost made it. That's one point.

[Steven Crowder]

You can see the object. The block right there.

[Josh Feuerstein]

James is scoring the object.

[Steven Crowder]

There's the object that was thrown.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Well, that looks floppy.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Her shot was more embarrassing than the object. I like how they all don't know what it is.

[Steven Crowder]

For those of you guys who can see, it is in fact a green. And the police officer is.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Listen to the broadcast. Is how angry they get?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Just the sight of a fake dick inappropriate?

[Steven Crowder]

Listen, she's. Get him out of here. She said she's bringing it to the evidence bin. And that's how she refers to her muffler. Just think about it. The least likely to be a lesbian on that court is the female cop. She looks stacked, though.

[Josh Feuerstein]

She's built, dude.

[Steven Crowder]

Like who? The cop? You see how big she was? Okay, with your virtues.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Those people are. Oh, yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

She used to play for the Lions.

[Josh Feuerstein]

No, what I'm saying is she's probably coveting that.

[Steven Crowder]

No, she used to outrun actual Lions. Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I didn't know Michelle Obama followed wwe.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, that's what I mean. She's still a lesbian, Steven.

[Steven Crowder]

She moonlights. So everyone was wondering where the. Just so you know, the sex toy had come from.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Apparently, Mars.

[Steven Crowder]

And this next bit. Look, it's just about that. It's not quite there yet. I'm just letting you know. Everyone was wondering where it was coming from. Our undercover unit found out. So for the Valkyries to actually play through that, I was shocked. Jordan Canada didn't know something flew on the floor. This absolutely should have been a scrap yard. It has won. It's. I still don't know how we got there. Yes. Why are you looking at me? What is he like? What happens is we'll be like, yeah, how about this? And we'll come up with something, and then Johnny boy will be the carrier pigeon and take it over the edit bay. And then we'll see something that has nothing to do. We're like, why is Shrek flatulating a sex toy? My original idea was, what's that?

[Gerald Morgan]

It's like Shrek's appendage had been cut off. And I was like, well, maybe it was cut off and he left it there. And he's apologizing. You know, there's probably a scene where he farts and apologizes.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Gerald Morgan]

And then that turned into spec farts.

[Steven Crowder]

He started when he farted his penis off. Okay, guys. Guys. What? I wish I told you.

[Nick DiPaolo]

This is the show that matters.

[Gerald Morgan]

Look, High Noon vodka seltzers have been accidentally printing them as Celsiuses.

[Steven Crowder]

That's true. And you guys had. That might be what happened. It was three cans deep. This is good. Stop. Need more energy. Hey, Shrek. Stephen.

[Nick DiPaolo]

What's a Valkyrie?

[Steven Crowder]

Anybody know Valkyrie? That's the awful Tom Cruise film. Wasn't awful. The name of the team. Is it one of the teams.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Valkyrie is one of the WNBA teams in that clip was the Valkyrie.

[Gerald Morgan]

It's Viking lore.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, it's like Viking lore, but they're like warriors.

[Brandon Herrera]

Warrior angels.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I didn't know that it was female warriors.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, that's right. I didn't.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I was a warrior angels.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, okay. I guess that makes sense. And I'm sure the Vikings had that WNBA team in mind.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Yeah. What about that team says Viking. Did they eat a lot of puss?

[Steven Crowder]

Also, they can never go to. You can't. You're not gonna be able to get them on a boat in water. All right, Those weaves. But how? I can't swim. We know. All right. Hey, by the way, you want this to continue, there's a reason this isn't on YouTube. And by the way, they may have a point, but download the Rumble app to stay in touch and follow. Follow me there. You'll know when we're live or if there are any special streams. You don't have to worry about being spammed. So let's go on to this. Do you guys remember. So we covered this. Remember the gang beating, and we asked you. And many of you had some responses, some of which were acceptable, as to why, when you see these beatings and you see them, you know, world star hip hop and what happened in Cincinnati, this group of entirely black people just beating up on a lone white person. They claim he said the N word. Okay, we covered this story. It was pretty Controversial. But there was the Cincinnati PD chief. It was Teresa Thige, I think is how I'm pronouncing it. We presented you this clip last week. Here's a refresher. And then we did some digging and the chief's views on other pivotal issues that you would hope your local PD would be in alignment with you. Well, turns out that's not the case, and see if you can guess. But first, here's what we presented to you. I think. Was it Monday? I don't know. You saw this clip.

[Teresa Thige]

Social media and journalism.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Hi, Dave.

[Teresa Thige]

And the role it plays in this incident. And yes, guys, that's you. That is you.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, no.

[Teresa Thige]

Social media. The post that we've seen does not depict the entire incident. That is one version of what occurred. At times, social media and mainstream media and their commentaries are misrepresentation of the circumstances surrounding any given event. Because what happens. That social media post and your coverage of it distorts the content of what actually happened.

[Steven Crowder]

Now, here's the thing. She never assisted in providing any type of content or context that would make that acceptable at all. And so we felt like that kind of tipped her hand a little bit. You see an old berating lady who's a police chief saying, you need to hear both sides to understand this gang beating. I had a suspicion that she probably leans left and probably would really readily break down your door and do the bidding of the government. You know, we all learned about those kinds of people during COVID So we did some digging. Oh, no. Turns out old nosy white lady gonna. Old nosy white lady. It's time for claim truth. So she.

[Gerald Morgan]

I thought you were gonna say, turns out she has mixed kids.

[Steven Crowder]

That's what it is. She was running cover for her.

[Nick DiPaolo]

You think somebody's gonna bang that?

[Steven Crowder]

Don't say that word. They'll get fat. I don't know. People have fetishes for all kinds of weird stuff.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Really. Shemp Howard.

[Steven Crowder]

Her real name is.

[Gerald Morgan]

Her real name is probably not a Mother Teresa.

[Steven Crowder]

Now put on this jacket and go put them up. She's walking around in a circle on the floor. First claim, she showed up here at a. I believe it's a town hall, this police chief, and you think, okay, police officers, that's their job to ensure the protection of your rights. First Amendment, Second Amendment. That's why they exist. Unfortunately, she expressed some views here. Where. Well, whenever you hear it, start with, I'm pro Second Amendment, but only we should have guns is usually where it goes. Watch her.

[Teresa Thige]

I support the people's right to bear arms.

[Steven Crowder]

Good.

[Teresa Thige]

However.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Oh, what a concession when you have.

[Teresa Thige]

Parameters around that part of that. The advantage of having those parameters is ensuring the officer's safety when they're dealing with somebody with a firearm when they are carrying it legally. When we had the permit carry, part of that requirement was an individual had to go through training to be able to get a permit. There was requirements where if they encountered an officer, say at a traffic stop, they had to tell an officer that they were a permitted firearm possession. And those things have now been taken away. So now we have people who are even sometimes legally carrying firearms with no training. And now they do not have to tell an officer that they are carrying a firearm. So now the officer's mindset shifts from being on the offense quite often before they know what they're dealing with.

[Steven Crowder]

Sounds to me like that's a problem with your officer training. So here's the truth. You know, they went to basically permitless carry where you have the right to carry a firearm because it's your God given right in the United States. In the state of Ohio. She is complaining about that. I thought, hey, maybe there are a lot of specific examples police officers who are running into problems or skyrocketing gun crime. No, as a matter of fact, since carrierless or sorry, since permitless carry was enacted there In I believe 2022, six of eight major cities in Ohio have seen a decrease in gun crime. The only outliers, Dayton and Cincinnati. Sounds like a U problem. So since more people began carrying firearms without the training, which we'll get to without the need for a permit, gun crime has gone down. Except for your municipality. And your solution is to undo what's led to less gun crime. I know correlation doesn't equal causation, but she's making that assertion there. Also check all of the references. 6 out of 8 major cities Ohio decrease in gun crime. Just not your city in Dayton.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Cleveland got it right and they didn't.

[Steven Crowder]

Where bone thugs and harmony came from. Are you serious? Think about that. So this is. You really have to be on. This is why we don't unilaterally just back the blue. There are good cops, there are bad cops, and unfortunately, sometimes chiefs end up effectively being de facto appointed by the mayor, which we'll get to. And they seem to be in alignment. You have many mayors of major cities in this country who want to disarm you. This goes to the next claim. She talks about them not having training and this is just a tired trope. And you get it from the films, right? You watch whatever it is, the Bourne Identity or you watch any mission. Oh, those people there who work in government and are, and our agencies and our local pd, they really know their way around guns. It couldn't be further from the truth, but she makes that claim. These people don't have training and so that's why they shouldn't have guns.

[Teresa Thige]

Unlike our cops, we train our officers consistently to handle their firearm. Not even close, in the most prudent manner and to ensure that if they have to use that, that they hit their target. What we're seeing now, because nobody has to go through training, even in a self defense type of a situation, they do not have training on using that firearm. I do not have confidence that that leads any citizen to hit their target if they are put in a position where they feel like they have to defend their life and discharge their weapons.

[Steven Crowder]

Good news is that your opinions don't matter, but Officer Blobfish doesn't think that your rights matter. So yeah, it is strikingly. I honestly don't know which one's which. And here's the thing. They go, unlike our officers. Do you guys know, do you guys know how often police officers train with the firms? Here's the truth. The most, I should say the best study conducted methodologically. Do I have that right? Methodologically?

[Gerald Morgan]

I don't think so.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't think I have it right at all. Again, the concussion. The best study that we have conducted as far as sample size, methodology. There you go. Concussion. Medieval times. Blame him. So the truth is that officers train on average. On average, this is across the country. This is just an average one to two times a year with their firearms, less than 15 hours annually. And by the way, the studies that they've conducted show that police academy graduates are actually effectively no better than novices. And here's another truth. Let's look specifically at Ohio. These people don't have the training of our officers and I don't have confidence in them. Okay, do you know what the requirements are in Ohio? 25 rounds to be fired at varying distances from 40 to 50ft. 25 rounds. In many police departments they only have to qualify once a year, maybe twice a year. Do you realize, I'm pretty sure that most people here in this have fired more than that, probably about 10 times that in their last range session. I don't think you guys realize how woefully inept police training is with firearms. 25 rounds, in some cases 50 per year.

[Brandon Herrera]

That's a box.

[Steven Crowder]

That's a box of ammo and she uses that. And you'll see people on the left, they're not trained like police officers. Okay. All right, I trained with 100 rounds, so twice that of the average officer. No, you don't need any excuse, you don't need any justification, any rationalization to exercise your Second amendment right. And then when you look at the context, which she actually omits, it gets worse. You, if you carry a firearm, are very likely more trained than most police officers. 50 rounds a year.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Insane.

[Steven Crowder]

Think about that. I don't think you should. I don't think. I don't trust you to be trained. Only cops should have guns.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, I saw that part in the Second amendment where it said after qualified through training, whatever. To have a gun. No, come on, you can have a gun. I get it. You want people to be trained. That's fine. But how about you guys not like maybe over inflate what you do? I think it was 13% more accurate.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Novices versus people who had gone through the police academy.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. 13%. Yeah. That's not.

[Josh Feuerstein]

It's not really helping me feel safer.

[Steven Crowder]

No, this is. They can't just say, we want to take your guns. So they go, well, you don't need this kind of a gun. They go, well, you're not trained. Okay, so then you would have to say that no police officer should have guns because they're not trained.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Like any of this matters when a guy pulls a gun on a cop.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Whether you have. He has a permit or not.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Nick DiPaolo]

None of that shit matters.

[Steven Crowder]

I know.

[Nick DiPaolo]

It all goes out the window. What is she talking about?

[Steven Crowder]

I know.

[Gerald Morgan]

They're just mad they can't have an excuse to search a vehicle.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, no, that's a good point, too.

[Nick DiPaolo]

She's like, they're supposed to tell us if they have a permit or not. Oh, is that what criminals do?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Those are the ones we're talking about.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Seriously?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

And then another take. Do we know her sexuality? I know you're gonna think it's irrelevant, but.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, I think it's very relevant.

[Brandon Herrera]

Why, are you interested?

[Nick DiPaolo]

Yeah, I'd like to hit her up tonight for seven shakes.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Aquatic fetish?

[Nick DiPaolo]

No, because I have this theory, and I've been saying it since about 1988, they put these gay women, whether they're judges or they're police commissioners. Can I ask you a question? Who in a society has more conflict with their worldview than gay women?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Get my point?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I don't see the world the Way we see it.

[Steven Crowder]

No.

[Nick DiPaolo]

And they never will. And she's going to lean with whoever she thinks the marginal, marginalized group is. Yeah, they can't be objective. No, that goes for another segment of the population.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, that actually it ties into, you know, her comments make a lot of sense when you look at the mayor who effectively, you know, is in charge of, I think, establishing the city council, which establishes a city manager who chooses a police chief. Basically you have to do the bidding of said mayor. And this mayor of Cincinnati is Aftab Purval.

[Brandon Herrera]

Can you talk about the increasingly difficult task of policing given the state legislature's decisions to doing away with concealed carry licenses? So now anyone can openly carry. You know what, what I see as a civilian observing is if everyone has a gun, including our children, what it makes policing very, very challenging because identifying the threat is increasingly hard.

[Steven Crowder]

So a couple of things there. This mayor deliberately conflates, you know, a permit to conceal carry versus now everyone can openly carry. Those are two different sets of laws, just to be clear. Open carry versus concealed carry. And many states treat them differently. You have some states where you have concealed carry with or without a permit where you can't open carry. You have some states where you can open carry, but you can't conceal carry. You have some states where you can do both or you can't do both. So he conflates the two and then of course goes, what a. And children have guns. Have to process the bullshittery that's going on right now. No one is saying that children should be driving their power wheels with Uzis. Okay? So she does. He throws that out there and then she goes, yeah, that's right. And you need training. This is part of a worldview. And I'm going to tell you, you can never divide, divorce these kinds of talking points from the corrosive worldview of leftism, progressivism, globalism. Because globalism, leftism seeks to destroy everything that you want to conserve, namely your fundamental God given right. So here's a coincidence. Maybe this same mayor, well, maybe there's a reason that he's pushing this in Cincinnati, because what he would like to see for the world, we have this footage, remember undercover at south by Southwest. It's the same mayor.

[Brandon Herrera]

It is not just three words. Diversity, equity, inclusion. It's not just policies. It is the very ethos of the city of Cincinnati.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay? So imagine if that guy had power completely unfettered and could effectively install those in charge of enforcing it. You know, police chief, let's say he was president, could do so with the military. Well, hold on a second. If I want to establish a global order, a national order of dei, of leftist policies, what do I have to do away with first? Well, like every fascist, like every dictator, take away your firearms. How do I do that? I don't just tell you. I say, you need training. I say, well, hold on a second. You shouldn't be able to open carry, concealed carry. I say, think of the children. This is all the same old tired playbook, so just don't give them an inch. People used to be like, well, I think, yeah, maybe you need training. No, no, either. The second amendment exists to protect your right to own a firearm. You legally purchase a firearm, you should be able to carry it, period. That's it. Give them zero wiggle room. Comment below if that's where you line up. I'd love to see constitutional carry, but if not, I'd love to see more states safe. You can legally buy a firearm. That means you go through the criminal background check. Do with it what you will be responsible. That's it.

[Gerald Morgan]

I'm not a huge fan of the slippery slope argument as a. As a whole, but it does present one. Like, if you have to have, you know, one certification, then you have another certification. What happens if they go, oh, well, not only have to train with it, but you also have to be proficient. You have to. You have to score this many. You have to do a markership test.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

You have to have your grouping in a certain circle. You know, it's like, whoa, now.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah. Also, when you take into account that so many defensive shootings, they occur at three yards or less. Three shots or less, three seconds or less. Let's say it's five yards.

[Gerald Morgan]

Like, you need to be proficient with your pistol at 200 yards.

[Brandon Herrera]

What?

[Steven Crowder]

Why? What for? Right.

[Gerald Morgan]

I just want to kill someone on the stage.

[Steven Crowder]

I just want to stop someone from gang beating me in your city.

[Nick DiPaolo]

When I got to Savannah the second, third day, I went by a handgun.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

And so I buy the gun and. And while I'm talking to the guy, he says, yeah. He goes, the chances of 99% of these, 95% of these encounters are like 3ft or 6ft or less.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

And then about two minutes later, he goes, so do you want to sign up for the gun course? I go, no, I can hit something from three.

[Steven Crowder]

I did.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I wasn't even trying to be funny.

[Steven Crowder]

No. You know, and he laughed. Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

You know, but I'm like, well, I. I honestly. And it's going to sound stupid. Another one of my theories. But gun training, it's just a little overrated. Don't point the gun at something you're not going to kill. Keep it down here when you're loading it.

[Teresa Thige]

It's like four rules.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

But there are dummies out there.

[Steven Crowder]

There are dummies.

[Gerald Morgan]

There are real dummies.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Those are called criminals.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, yes. And it's a certain persuasion and in some cases, police officers. Let's be honest. Not all, but some. We'll get to the SIG story in a little bit. It's a good idea for you to train and to become. To be as accustomed with your weapon as possible. But this idea that you have to be training all the time and doing tactical shooting. I want as many of you carrying a firearm as possible who know how to use it. And you know what I mean, to a serviceable degree. If you fire more than one box of ammo per year, you're doing better than your local PD in most states. Hey, I forgot. It's time for, you know, remember super chats. Yeah. We don't take money from you. We do reverse super chats. Yep. And this is actually brought to you by the folks at. How. There you go. At. At Pure Talk, they're giving away free 50. Kind of. 50? Yeah, 50 free rumble premium subscriptions. Just gifted to the chat. Thanks to Pure Talk. It is a 100 United States customer service based team. You can actually call and get somebody there in the line. Go to PureTalk.com Crowder Save 50. I use them. And my. I will tell you, my service has been a lot better than when I was with a major carrier and significantly less expensive.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

When you get somebody on the line, are they in Calcutta or.

[Steven Crowder]

No, literally, you'll get like Tiffany customer service team 100 down the road. Tiffany. Yeah, you'll get someone. Just don't do what I did, which is when I was transferring my phone from my old service. I know what you did. I was on my only phone. Okay, so we're going to disconnect the. Todd. Hello? Todd.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I thought it was Todd.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. I'd have someone come over the office to my house.

[Josh Feuerstein]

When a number of. A number of people actually have put it out on X and other social media. Like when you get one of these.

[Steven Crowder]

Subs, let us know. Yeah.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Let us welcome you to the gang. And so it'll.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I might want to try that. Looks like a good product.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah, it is a good.

[Steven Crowder]

It's just cheaper service and it's better and you know, you can actually reach somebody helpful. Is there anything we want to move on to the golden because I know we have Brandon Herrera coming on.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, we're good. All right. The golden age deadline. Right? This is and we've talked about this quite a bit. We rated we Donald Trump's economic policy on trade. It was above an A. It was an S. Because no one saw this coming. Well, I should say this, no one saw a president like him coming, honestly, in the year 2014 and 2015. And the conversation of trade deals and tariffs being used to generate revenue and to also modify behavior internationally was just something that hadn't been tried in our lifetime. And now, contrary to what the left has said, where it was going to be a calamity, we were going to see a recession. It's been working out really well as far as all economic indicators. And today specifically marks the final day for countries to strike a deal with the United States. And President Trump is not backing down, in case you thought he was. He posted this on Truth Social. He said the Aug. 1 deadline is the Aug. 1 deadline. It stands strong. So strong. And will not be extended. A big day for America. Put three exclamations on there. So here's the thing. Even after, when we look at the results, and this is in a very short period of time, an additional $50 billion in collected revenue. CNN is still really, really mad because they predicted the disaster. Now, you'd think they'd be happy because this is good for you, the American. No, no. They just have to move the goalposts. I would just like to go. But I'd like to build a DeLorean and go back to April when everybody here was predicting likely to cause a recession. Investment stops and a recession happens. They're not talking about a U.S. recession. They're talking about a global recession lead to recession. Watch her move the goalposts. A reception to. I just want to point just a second. You called it. You called the recession calamity. Scott, you can't hear. What were those tariff levels? They were different. The edge.

[Teresa Thige]

Not just different, they were two to.

[Steven Crowder]

Three times higher than the current tariff levels. Did those tariffs go into place? Scott, it's different for every country.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's different for every country.

[Steven Crowder]

Simple question. Did those tariffs, God help me, yes. Delay some of the tariffs? Yes or no? He has delayed some of the any he's implemented any of the tariff levels that Trump announced on that week.

[Teresa Thige]

Did they ever go into.

[Steven Crowder]

Some tariffs have been implemented, some have been delayed and some deals. The answer is they did not okay, but that's not the point. The point is, at that exact moment in first off, tariffs on every country are higher, or this is the first time ever that they've had to face them since President Trump has taken office. To be clear. And tariffs, the tariffs that we're seeing on United States goods have been reduced to zero in many cases. And just to be clear, she tries to move those goalposts and she goes, are they that number. We told you, read the Art of the. Read the Art of the Deal. We know what this guy does. He's going to come in high and then settle at something which is significantly better than nothing. Now they move the goalposts and go, well, it's not the exact tariff that he first announced. He said they could negotiate a deal.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Absolutely. And by the way, didn't we just call this. Yeah, I think we all saw this coming, right?

[Nick DiPaolo]

Come, let Zoltar tell you more.

[Steven Crowder]

We're gonna win the game. I guarantee. This is a negotiation that is taking place. If you've read Art of the Deal, you know, he wants to come in hot. He wants to come in hot. And we'll probably settle somewhere in the middle.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Come, let Zoltar tell you more.

[Steven Crowder]

I translate the next pitchfork right past the flag. We're gonna win the game, I guarantee. Oh, it's so great being nimble and independent. Somehow that escaped all of the experts on cnn.

[Gerald Morgan]

Come on, you recorded that this morning.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly, verbatim. We recorded it before they made their predictions in April. That was March. That was March, by the way. Let me be clear. I'm not a financial expert, but neither are they. Neither are they. They tell you they are. I'm just someone who read his books. He come in highly settled, a reasonable, you know, like every negotiation, they can't be wrong. And their predictions, they're very hopeful. Predictions, by the way, are always bad for you, the American people. How does that happen?

[Gerald Morgan]

They should take some credit for convincing the entire world that that was going to be the final tariff number.

[Steven Crowder]

Right? So they were like, oh, shit, yeah, we shouldn't have gone, oh, we should negotiate if we want to get a better rate. Yes. Were you about to say something, Nick?

[Nick DiPaolo]

No, I wasn't.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, I thought you were. I'm sorry.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I hate business talk.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, this isn't going to get that much more fun then. Sorry, Nick. Buttercup.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I'm kidding.

[Steven Crowder]

Here's the thing. He went crazy. President Trump, in a good way. You know, like crazy sale like you see at your local car lot, striking some last minute Deals and some of the updates because they. Because some of these have happened since we last spoke with you. South Korea. Last night, President Trump announced we finally have a trade deal with solar and South Korea. So the deal is going to have 15% on Korean goods. That's significant. Zero percent on US goods. So, by the way, think of it. That's not even reciprocal.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I know.

[Steven Crowder]

That's right. You guys pay a tariff and we don't. Here's the other kicker. They also agreed to $350 billion in investments, future investments to the United States to be directed by President Trump. So $350 billion. $100 billion in LNG purchases. Korea is going to be granted most favored Nation status. Nice. They're finally going to be open to US Products. Autos, beef. Sorry. I guess there's certain things like rice is not allowed, which makes sense. And maybe some autos. But some autos are allowed. As far as I did fully understand it and I guess, I don't know, some. Some agricultural products will somehow be exception.

[Brandon Herrera]

Rice and beef are off limits.

[Steven Crowder]

Rice and beef are off limits. Oh, I don't want to.

[Gerald Morgan]

They can get our cars.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Some of my steak from Korea.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, exactly.

[Gerald Morgan]

He's a big bulgogi guy.

[Steven Crowder]

He is. I do love bulgogi, too. But think about that. Is that a real word? 15%, 0%. And. And then another $350 billion investment. Just to be clear, this only happens. This only happens if they know they've been screwing you. Yeah, right. This happens where they sit down with advisors and go, okay, what kind of leverage do we have here? And they go, well, you know what? You have this tariff on them and. Okay, what do the United States have on us? Pretty much nothing. All right, so what would be fair? They're like, well, you know, reciprocal would still actually not, because you still kind of owe quite a bit. So. Yeah, he actually is very likely to implement this. I would strike a deal now. So you get something fair. Because he kind of been piping them. That's the conversation they had to go, okay, and 350 billion more.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Yeah, that's racist.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, nice. But the.

[Nick DiPaolo]

That's why the woman from the European Union, I like what she said. She's like, we have to balance. We've been hoes in the United. She came right out and said it. Yeah, we've been hosing them. And this is fair now.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, no, exactly. Right. At least she was. I think that's where she said, and you were very hard on us, but we appreciate it.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Oh, yes. Well, listen, I think. I mean, let's just be clear. Some malicious countries out there try to screw us over on deals. China, other countries, we just allow them to have a better deal than they should have. They want access to our market. So we need to leverage that, and we just haven't done that.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Trump's been calling us out since the 80s.

[Steven Crowder]

I know.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Literally, he's on Oprah going, they're ripping us off.

[Steven Crowder]

It's like the left on this issue. They can't think about cnn. It's like a cartoon where they're trying to catch Donald Trump and he just jets off and there's only a Trump shaped cloud where he used to be, like, I've been Duggar. Oh. He said no reciprocal tariffs. Well, we said. And then. You mean we have a tariff on them that's not even reciprocal? How the hell did this happen?

[Gerald Morgan]

Abby Phillips is Elmer Fudd.

[Steven Crowder]

People are still. Well, so, okay, good. Good for you. Good. Korea. You know, some Koreans can have fun cruising around in American cars. Maybe. No, no, no, no. It's different here. It takes some guy teaching his daughter to drink. Yeah, I think most people would have no idea how to drive a full size suv. Hit the blink. It must be a spaceship.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Hit the blink.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Emergency blink.

[Steven Crowder]

So let's contrast that. Thank you, Korea. Thank you, Vietnam. Thank you, Thailand. Thank you, eu. Thank you, uk. Sorry, India. Oh, yeah. Japan is a big one. Sorry, India. So President Trump just took a. A steaming corn infested one on India last night with a 25% tariff. He said, I don't care what India does with Russia. They can take their debt economies down together for all I care.

[Nick DiPaolo]

God bless them.

[Steven Crowder]

We have done very little business with India. Their tariffs are too high, among the highest in the world. Smells like poop. He didn't say that.

[Josh Feuerstein]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

Likewise, Russia and the USA do almost no business together. Let's keep it that way and tell Medvedev, the failed former president of Russia, who thinks he still is president, to watch his words. He's entering very dangerous territory. Medvedev. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Now, just to give you an idea, he's right. In 2024, the total United States trade with. If you were to treat India and Russia as one Nation combined, about $133 billion. That's $65 billion less than South Korea alone. So South Korea is more meaningful. And he's basically, you two take your dog, crap ball and go screw yourselves. There you go. There you go, India. There you go, Russia. And again, that's another lever as far as this war. You don't just fight wars with tanks and with bombs. We all know that.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Tariffs.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep. That's a big part of it.

[Gerald Morgan]

And mustard gas.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, yes. Sometimes.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Do you have to train or use a tariff?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly. That's a good. Like our police force does, like our. Like our beige book economists do here on Wall Street. Yeah. Well, you guys screwed everything up. Let's let someone else have a shot at it. Braz. Well, the authoritarian, fascist nation of Brazil right now, where freedom doesn't exist and we have a lot of good friends there in Brazil who are being politically persecuted. President Trump hit Brazil with a 50% tariff. And the reason he said, well, the persecution of Bolsonaro, which we've seen, you know, the former leader there, and the censoring of American voices. Also in Brazil, you know, they banned Rumble. That's a good example. So he's using this as leverage to say, yeah, we're actually not. And this has a ripple effect. This means that big tech companies can't do the bidding of or be acquiescent to fascist governments if it affects American citizens. Right. This is another way to apply pressure. Check all of the references. They're available. Link in the description Canada. Finally, again, my kind of. I have dual. I was born in the United States, but since my mom is French Canadian, I automatically was granted some kind of citizenship. I'm still figuring out how to. I've already revoked it on air. I renounced. I defect, but I don't know how to do it officially because it's a horrible place. I take zero pride in what Canada is.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I know you have to do. You got to burn a Canadian shirt and film it.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, I'll do that at least, and you'll be all right. I'll burn. I'll burn all. I'll burn all.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Maple Leafs.

[Steven Crowder]

Maple Leafs. All of it. All of it.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Do it all.

[Steven Crowder]

All of it. Because Canada is viral awful. And Canada has been afforded the right to exist as a nation for far too long. Long. And I mean that. I mean that. They are a national security threat in many ways. Yeah. So this morning, President Trump finally addressed them. He said, wow. Canada has just announced that it is backing statehood for Palestine. That will make it very hard for us to make a trade deal with them. Oh, Canada. Hit the. Hit. Hit the. I don't have it. Well, when the president wants it, you get it.

[Nick DiPaolo]

I mean, I don't have it, sir.

[Steven Crowder]

Sad Trump, by the way, Canada's negotiations with Hamas have already begun. And it seems they're going swimmingly. There you go.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Let me give you two things really quickly. There's been enough. First off, the Palestine issue should not be connected to any trade deals for the United States. I'm sorry. That I understand leverage, I understand that.

[Steven Crowder]

But I love it.

[Josh Feuerstein]

No, what's good for America is good for America. I don't care. I don't want to tie Israel, Palestine to what's good for American citizens, citizens on a trade deal necessarily. But I love the fact that he's like, oh, Canada. I love the way he handles it. Maybe it's just him, you know, negotiating a little bit more. I'm fine with that. But ultimately it shouldn't be the thing that sticks. It the should be the thing.

[Steven Crowder]

I think we should only be engaging in trade with allies and that means people aligned with our values.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Well, there's a lot of differences. I get, I get it stuff and.

[Steven Crowder]

I just, I understand it and I.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Don'T want to, I don't want it to be. It's just another feather in people's cap that say Israel controls our government. Like, oh, okay, Israel's telling us to do this.

[Steven Crowder]

That's true. I understand that.

[Josh Feuerstein]

I understand the complaint.

[Steven Crowder]

I get it.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Mexico. There was a new deal announced with Mexico.

[Steven Crowder]

Sort of.

[Josh Feuerstein]

It's a, I think it's a 90 day extension of the current deal with some additional things going on in there right now. It's really long. I don't know that we necessarily need to read that all out. Maybe they can just give us a, a briefing and we can do that.

[Steven Crowder]

You think he called callers like, hey, shine bomb, how do you feel about Canada and Palestine? Oh, you're Mexican. Click. Yeah. Okay, well, that's good. Look, this is all negotiations and we've had. Let me ask you this genuine question. Real. If we're just going to look. Take off your conservative hat, take off your team jersey for a sec. Let's just look at this objectively. Where would former Vice President Joe Biden or former Vice President Kamala Harris, where would they have ever, ever objectively gained the experience to negotiate these kinds of deals?

[Josh Feuerstein]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

Or know what is even before them? The truth is none. None. What's nowhere else would you have someone in that position if you believe that international trade negotiations are significant, if you believe they are consequential? Nowhere else would you have someone with that complete lack of experience in that position. We've been told, right, Donald Trump can't be president because he has no political experience. Okay. Does he have negotiating Experience? Does he have experience in dealing with trade? Does he have experience in understanding how to navigate relationships with people who would be allies? Does he understand how to deal with competitors? All of this is relevant. Sitting and voting yay or nay or present, in my opinion, doesn't apply. And you're seeing the results. Think about this. When you add up South Korea with everything we have, that means that the total investment into the United States from other nations is over $11 trillion. Now, could it be better? Okay, sure. I think that's pretty good. But the economist said recession. So we're not comparing 11 trillion to 40 trillion. We're comparing 11 trillion to losing money and a recession. And they still can't admit it or accept it. Why? Why don't the people in media want what's good for you? And people across the world right now, countries, they've acted in good faith, they've gotten good deals. If you've acted like an asshat, Canada, you're gonna get a crappy deal. China, I'd be paying attention. I'd be paying attention.

[Josh Feuerstein]

So you have that sadhore, but you don't have that. I see how it is.

[Gerald Morgan]

They're definitely paying attention with deals coming from Japan and South Korea. Oh, yeah, they're getting Vietnam because all the manufacturing in Vietnam electronics are coming from Korea. Japan.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep.

[Gerald Morgan]

Singapore, they want to get their vehicles here.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Oh, South Korea. I guarantee you they were nervous. Like, no, we can't have another disaster after Galaxy Fold. Yeah, I bet that puts a little.

[Gerald Morgan]

Bit of pressure because Apple's. They make their phones in China, don't they?

[Josh Feuerstein]

They make a lot of their phones in China. They're projected majority coming from India, I think the next five years. So step up.

[Steven Crowder]

Your safety didn't work either. Oops.

[Nick DiPaolo]

You said Kamala Harris wouldn't know any of this. Yeah, I can't think of a Republican that would.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Maybe Doug Bergamo is working. Like maybe Burgum, maybe.

[Steven Crowder]

But he's a weirdo.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Transylvania.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Nick DiPaolo]

Vampire.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, and by the way, we're going to continue, of course into Rumble Premium today with our guest. We're not bringing them on right now. I want to set this up for you, so click that button. If you are not yet a member, all of this goes away. All the things that you've heard that you won't hear anywhere else. And this show in and of itself would not exist if not for your support. Rumble printing is mug club. Mug club is Rumble Premium 99 a year you get the hand etched mug or try it for $9.99 a month. It still keeps the lights on and you get 100% more. Show the whole thing ad free. It's the best one stop shop. Let's go on to this. And this is something that is sort of lighting the Internet ablaze. It's not necessarily inherently political, but there is something here that we need to take a look at. And I will say this. Sometimes people on the right are pandered to in a similar way that those on the left are. And what I'm talking about is sometimes the vet bros. And what I'm talking about is sometimes the back, the blue and you have people who go no matter what. The issue is military, good military. Right now I support a strong military and I support a military force that can break stuff and kill people when needed. But we've also sort of seen this cloak kind of, it's been removed with our intelligence agencies. You probably used to think that the FBI were the good guys. A lot of people did. We now know that that's not the case. It's often not the case with police officers and it's often not the case with firearms companies out there and how the military handles that they're in. So this is a big. The SIG P320, also known as the M18, which is the official pistol of the army right now. It was launched in 2014. Very, very popular. Civilians, law enforcement. Let me just set this up. SIG spent millions lobbying, right, for the, the military pistol contract, okay. Where there were trials, there were a bunch of other guns and SIG won the contract. It was in 2017, a 10 year contract worth $580 million. $580 million. And I just want to be clear because a lot of people have gone out and purchased this. Before we get to the alleged accidental discharges, before we get to the alleged safety issues here, Pistols are almost never used in war, just to be clear. And the idea where people go, it's mil spec, they'll then market to you. Mil spec just means the bare minimum. I mean, Josh, you have experience with that. Mil spec doesn't mean. Oh yeah, this is the best.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yeah, yeah, if you run. If I was going to use mil spec, you know, communications technology wouldn't be better than Apple or something like that. Same thing with firearms. I mean, it's just. Yeah, most people don't use pistols anyways. I mean a lot of guys I knew it's a secondary weapon, first of all on everybody except like an MP or something like that on a base.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Gerald Morgan]

But Most people prefer, you know, knife or a shotgun or something like that. Yeah, I didn't carry a pistol. The only reason I ever carried a pistol was if I was on a base overseas like in Afghanistan and I needed a weapon to go to like the PX or the cafeteria.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

Like if they're gonna yell me if I don't have a gun, so I better put this thing in my hip.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And unfortunately, as is often the case with the military, they don't necessarily pick the best tool for the job. You automatically. Sometimes it has to do with who lobbies the most effectively, who has pre existing relationships that should be taken into consideration.

[Gerald Morgan]

For the longest time we had The Beretta, the M9 was a Beretta 9 millimeter. That is not.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, it's because the same very fancy gun, well the same tolerances that allowed it to be what they claim, more reliable also allowed a lot of sand and dirt in. So when you're fighting in the desert, it becomes a problem. And then they had trials and they have these criteria. For example, has to have a manual safety. That's silly. Now I get it's because you have a lot of people in the military who don't know how to handle guns. Right. Lowest common denominator.

[Gerald Morgan]

A lot of people. Yeah, exactly. It's the lowest common. People don't assume that. They just think military. They know what they're doing. So many people don't use their weapons. They're like, they work, you know, they're a clerk or they're a cook or no offense to these people, but you know, they're a mechanic or.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Gerald Morgan]

Or something like that. And they're not using their weapons on a regular basis. Then you're like, oh shit, just hit the fan, here's your gun.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Oh, does that have a safety? And in trying to attack, achieve this sort of this safety to prevent user error. Right. A negligent discharge. It seems right now that at the very least this handgun sig maybe isn't as effective as far as implementing mechanical safety. So for example, like the Walthers that we have are Glocks, they have a trigger safety, they don't have a manual safety. But it also makes it much less likely for this to simply discharge on its own. If you're banking on the manual safety because you think people can't operate this properly, you're basically prioritizing the wrong thing. So I would say that's an argument to be made. And if you're out purchasing a firearm, you should take this into consideration. So now there's a lot of controversy surrounding this. This pistol because allegedly someone in our armed forces had this gun in a holster on a table, didn't touch it, and it went off and. And killed one of our. One of our boys. All right, but this has been going on for quite a while as a controversy. And something to keep in mind is this is a master class in how to not deal with. With your customer base, namely Second Amendment advocates. So as back. I think it goes back as far as I have it here, 2017 videos were emerging of this pistol, the Sig P320, which is where they got the contract. Yes. Yeah, they call it the M18. The military, because they're slightly different. But yes, this pistol failing drop tests thanks to the Internet, because people conducted them themselves. We found in our testing that the P320 will fire if it is dropped at a certain angle. This angle is not found in any of the previously mentioned drop tests. If the pistol is allowed to drop with the bore in an upward direction and the frame and the slide contact the ground at the same time, the trigger continues to move to the rear and the pistol will fire. What? Now, I know people will say, well, that's not. That's not a reason for the drop. They don't do the drop test that way because that could be inertia on the trigger. But again, you have plenty of other similar pistols, meaning striker fired pistols that wouldn't fail that test. So why are we prioritizing these certain parameters? That's the question that should be asked here. After that, let me give you a timeline. 2017, the Dallas PD pulled the P320 from their service. Bunch of law enforcement agencies beginning in 2018, started polling them while they were still being used, the military variant, by our men and sometimes women fighting for this country abroad. And we decided to, because we could go on for hours here. There are a lot of claims. A lot of claims are false. We're only including in this montage the clips where you actually see the moment that the weapon discharges and it seems as though no one is touching it or operating it incorrectly. This is what has raised some eyebrows. So see this one right here? Look at where his hands are. That's in a holster. Boom. Whoa. Goes off. Another angle. Boom. Right there.

[Josh Feuerstein]

Goes off.

[Teresa Thige]

Started walking down the back lot towards.

[Steven Crowder]

The cruiser that I was going to take. And as I'm walking to the cruiser, I heard a loud, right there. Bang. And I felt a searing hot pain in my right thigh. I was scared. I was Very scared because I thought someone had shot at me. In December of last year, Hobart Lawrence.

[Teresa Thige]

Police officer Sam Schrader was part of a chase. His body camera captured His Sig Sauer.

[Steven Crowder]

P320 firing when he got out of his vehicle. Yeah, no deal. It was me. I need a tourniquet. Body camera footage shows Milwaukee police officers trying to arrest Someone. It was July 14, 2020. Stop resisting, sir. The Milwaukee Police association says Officer Robert Park Sig Sauer P320 fired without pulling the trigger. Yeah. So just to be clear, and I understand, like, Glock had a bunch of lawsuits against them early on, when police departments switched them, they said, oh, these are just accidental discharges. Well, and that doesn't mean that it's true. It wasn't necessarily true. A huge portion of them were police in the NYPD who were using revolvers. And unfortunately, many of them would run with their fingers on. They'd run their fingers on the trigger of the revolver, which is not advised, but safer if it's a 1314 pound pole. You do that with a Glock, all of a sudden, bang. Accidental discharge. Also, you have to pull the trigger on the Glock at that point in time to disassemble it, and people weren't used to it. So I understand the case to be made. I also understand that a lot of claims come forward when people just are handling the gun improperly. That doesn't seem to be the case in those videos. Then you add on top of that, in 2020, ICE reported that they were dealing with some discharges. Then there were some more lawsuits coming out. Since then, here's what Sig has done. They have simply said, no, it is completely safe. There is no truth to any of this. And the only people criticizing us are doing so for profit. They even put out a website, p3.20-truth.com, to make their case to the public. Now, this brings us to just recently. Active duty airmen was killed earlier this month when, from what we know, P320 in the holster on the table went off, shot him in the chest. So there's going to be an investigation. To be clear, this is alleged. It's been going on for a while now. But the response from Sigma. We're going to bring on Brandon Herrera to discuss this because he's an expert in this area. I noticed this. Yes. Because I am signed up to their newsletter. Their first. I guess this was their statement. Notice how the wording changed. They said the P320 cannot, under any circumstances, discharge without a trigger pull. That is a Fact. Okay, if that's true. Got it. Then the gun is safe. But then their email sent on Tuesday, I noticed a word change and many people out there did too. And I think it's important to do this because obviously we know that government can avoid accountability and private companies tend, tend to be more correctable than the government because of the free market. But they get it wrong sometimes, especially if they feel enabled by the government. And SIG has taken the approach. May we remind you that we have this giant $500 million military contract. Yeah, but that doesn't affect the safety of the gun. So they went to trigger pull. Newest email. The P320 cannot under any circumstances discharge without the trigger first being moved to the rear. Trigger pull versus moved to the rear. That seems like a very conscious choice of language. And let me tell you why. And again, I showed you this earlier. Completely unloaded. But for all you safety Sally's out there. This right here, when you measure a trigger pull, I guess I have to do it with my left hand. If you read any reviews on firearms, they will say the measured trigger pull. So they'll tell you the measured trigger pull. It breaks at somewhere eight pounds, nine pounds, five pounds. So they will take a gauge and they'll pull it. And that's a trigger pull. You guys hear that? Okay, so that is the term that is used. That means a trigger pull. That's how they measure trigger pulls. Trigger move to the rear. Look, I could do this all day, even see the cylinder moving and not pull the trigger. So this is not a problem. It goes bang when I do this. But when the trigger moves to the rear, does it go bang when I do this? Does it go bang when I do this? Does it go bang when I do this? Does it go bang when I do this? This is different from this. And they change those words. And people noticed it consciously. They went on to say the allegations against the P320 are nothing more than individuals seeking to profit or avoid personal responsibility. Yeah, crap on your consumer base. Let's see how that works. It is one of the safest, most advanced pistols in the world, meeting and exceeding all industry safety standards. Its design has been thoroughly tested and validated by the US Military, mind you, and law enforcement agencies, mind you, at the federal, state and local levels. Yeah, I don't think that you realize that doesn't mean what you think it means anymore, sig.

[Gerald Morgan]

Plus, those people are reporting issues.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, exactly.

[Gerald Morgan]

People you're using as an example of testing it are going, hey, yeah, yeah, we tested These, but whoops.

[Steven Crowder]

And just to be clear, when they say only for profit, we have no issue with SIG. I even gifted a SIG right to Tim Pool in 2020. For those of you who remember, we obviously wanted to send our sponsor Walther, but I don't even know if they have anything compliant with New Jersey. And handguns are a lot harder to get in New Jersey. Long guns are a little bit different. So we will be sending you now courtesy of sig. I have to say this legally, but we will be the ones sending you actually a brand new Sig Sauer M400 Tread. It's a sporting semi auto rifle in the AR15 family or platform. Again, it's from me, compliments of Sig. Because we told them about your scenario, they're actually going to. We're going to send it directly to your FFL and they will immediately make the adjustments needed to make it New Jersey compliant. Which typically means here.

[Gerald Morgan]

So why are you just like Fabio?

[Steven Crowder]

I think it was cultural appropriation, Viking Day or something like that. And to be clear, I want to give the anti gun lobby the anti second amendment advocates. I want to give them no excuse. I want to give them them no quarter. And that's why this is a discussion that needs to take place. Especially if they're hiding behind the military, if they're hiding behind law enforcement. And there is something here because you have people on the left, just to be clear. I mean they're still arguing about things that don't even exist, like ghost guns. Though granted sometimes Toolman, we know that can be a problem. It's not dangerous, it's just off putting here to discuss this. And Moore is one of the most popular firearms channels on YouTube. The AK guy on X, you know him, you love him. Brandon Herrera. Mr. Herrera. How are you sir? Can you see me, hear me?

[Brandon Herrera]

Yes, sir. How's it going, brother? How you doing?

[Steven Crowder]

I'm doing well, thanks. And I know that I'm just a ham and egger, so no matter what I say, people say you don't know anything. So I said let's bring on the guy who folks actually respect and kind of looks like Andre Arlovsky. That's a comment compliment. Let me ask you this. What's your take on this right now? Because I know that these are allegations, but this is one of those issues that it seems to be like there's something here.

[Brandon Herrera]

In my opinion, it's definitely an allegation. It's just an allegation that just has tons of documentation and empirical Evidence behind it.

[Steven Crowder]

It's.

[Brandon Herrera]

It's something that we've been. We've known this for years. Like, it's been a meme in the gun community that the P320 fails drop safety tests. We've known it forever, but it seems like in the last year to the last maybe nine months, it's moved beyond drop safety. And now we have guns that are just going off in holsters, which is a completely different ballpark.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Brandon Herrera]

You know, it's one thing to say like, oh, hey, don't drop it at this angle. Okay. It's not great. Probably should have been caught in the trials. That's not a good thing. But when you have cops on video, repeatedly that have any jostling action of a weapon that is in the holster, the trigger is untouched and the gun's just going off, that is what I would call a problem.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. Yes. So now let me ask you this. How did this gun make it through the trials and how was it chosen? Because if you look at the trials, there are a bunch of guns with a longer track record. I mean, the Glock 19 was in there. I'm trying to, I believe the Smith and Wesson and one of their shields wasn't there. Guns that haven't had this problem. You think military people, Think efficiency. Mil spec. How did this make it through, considering this has been known by so many others, or at least suspected for sure.

[Brandon Herrera]

Well, there's a couple different ways that could happen, but one of them, the one that I think is the most obvious right out the gate, is that the military testing, they've got certain parameters that they test for, and they try to test every handgun to the same standard. Those include drop safety tests, but they'll include, you know, hey, it needs to survive x many drops from this angle. And if you're not testing the problem angle, then you're not going to see the problematic result. And so if this particular gun has an Achilles heel that can't be found by the testing that all the pistols were subjected to, you'd never know it in the trials. You wouldn't find that out until a couple youtubers start fucking with it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, but this is the drop. The drop issue, right? The drop testing has been known since 2017. But that's not the only issue right now. So this is after. And I know you know this, but for those who are unfamiliar watching, it was a Michigan State Troopers P320 went off. The FBI conducted this investigation, and not all of it was redacted. So, Sig, sometimes I Believe is pointed to this as proof that, see it's safe. But actually, in that report, they say that an uncommanded discharge is possible if sear engagement is lost. And by the way, disabling the striker safety lock through movement and friction could warrant further investigation. And this is something in there too. It says a brand new unfired Sig Sauer M18 pistol, which is the military equivalent of.320, was obtained from MSP to determine if the test could be repeated on another weapon. On the first attempt, the striker safety lock successfully prevented the striker from impacting the primed case. However, on the second attempt, the primed case fired, indicating the striker safety lock failed to stop the striker's forward movement. Am I reading that right? That seems pretty cut and dry. There are strikes on the primer and it's at least best case scenario remarkably inconsistent. And this has been known 100%.

[Brandon Herrera]

And I've talked to SIG engineers, former SIG engineers, and they know about it. Like, this is a thing that the company would never admit, but they, they. They've known this is a problem for a while. And you can see that with the way that they act publicly because they, they did the, the voluntary upgrade program where they basically said our triggers have no problem. There is no issue. You. You're crazy. You're acting just like your mother. You love being gaslit. Baby, come on.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Brandon Herrera]

And then. But if you think that there is an issue, which there's not, you could send it into us voluntarily and we'll fix the issue that doesn't exist.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. You're like, okay, well, that, that seems like allegedly, it sounds like a lie.

[Brandon Herrera]

That is what one would think that sounds like.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah. I just want to make sure I'm no firearms expert, but also, I don't believe that companies are very keen to provide expensive upgrades for free for a problem that doesn't exist. Right.

[Brandon Herrera]

And you know, it's. It's the thing that drives me crazy because this has been just a really bad week to be a SIG defender, is that there's just so much evidence, there's so much documentation. I mean, there's. There's the lawsuits that have come out that they've tried to say, oh, these are just people that are trying to make a buck. One of them included a police officer, a female police officer who shot herself on accident with no, no fault of her own, didn't pull the trigger, nothing like that. Gun goes off in her holster, shoots herself in the femur, shatter. And they said that she's an anti gun grifter. Now apparently you have ice.

[Josh Feuerstein]

What?

[Brandon Herrera]

That has released a report that basically they were talking about all the accidental discharges that have happened with all of their service weapons. And you have multiple columns. One of them is which pistol it was. Vast majority were the P320s. And then in the other column, whether or not that incident included injury. So they not only said that these things were going off, but there were multiple occasions where they were injuring people that were actively working for ice. So it's just, it's crazy to see this amount of data and be able to say with a straight face, well, clearly there's no problem.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. And I will say this for people who don't necessarily know out there, and I know that you would, you know this. There is a difference between firearms companies that focus on selling directly to consumer and some companies that, that focus on obtaining those giant military contracts. They are not often the same path. Do you think that this same world exists if SIG doesn't have a 500 plus million dollar military contract where they effectively crap on their customer base?

[Brandon Herrera]

No. And I think that could be part of, and this is just speculation on my part, but that could be part of it where if they admit there is a problem with the civilian side stuff, then they have to maybe go in and revert and do a very expensive upgrade to all their military contract. But that's starting to bleed over apparently into both where now it's this problem which hopefully, and I've mentioned this before, but hopefully this is a big enough deal with this airman unfortunately losing his life that SIG can no longer look the other way and pretend there isn't a problem. Now there's an investigation. Now there might be a little bit of accountability and they're starting to backtrack accordingly. At least until they release that email that you so, so poetically mentioned earlier.

[Steven Crowder]

Trigger moving to the rear. Brandon, it's not public.

[Brandon Herrera]

They didn't publicly say that on social media because they knew they'd get hanged for it. They sent it to all of their, their newsletter guys, their, their guys on the inside who immediately shared it.

[Steven Crowder]

It wasn't hard for me to get the scoop. I just signed up.

[Brandon Herrera]

They're like for the, for the guys who, who are going to defend us. Let me just tell you one more time, there isn't a problem. Yeah, it didn't work out.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And they were like, well, they try and do the word play. Like we all know what trigger pull means, right? You read gun, you do gun Reviews, you go, okay. And the trigger pull is a crisp 6.2 pounds. You know, whatever it is, we're not just going, oh, yeah, what it takes to move the trigger. We know what a trigger pull is. That's different from moving to the rear. We've gone a little bit late. So I know I do want to continue Rumble Premium. We'll get you this interview, of course, for all your channels, but where's the best place for people watching right now to find you and watch your coverage of the.

[Brandon Herrera]

So I just did a video on this one. It's over on YouTube, over on my channel, Brandon Herrera. It's about the. The recent SIG drama. But you could also go back and. And a couple of months and see some of the other videos I did covering this exact thing, because this has been going on for quite some time, and some of us have been just shouting from the rooftops, hey, this gun has a problem and it's going to kill somebody. And then, unfortunately, here we are, and SIG is continuing to deny it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I know. And I want to discuss this with you because I know, you know, it's a very incestuous place, the gun industry. A lot of people out there are blissfully unaware that firearms companies, and I'm not saying this necessarily about sig, are not necessarily the same people as Second Amendment activists. As a matter of fact, there have been many instances of firearms companies turning their proverbial firearm against the people who buy their products and support them. And that includes companies, for example, like Smith and Wesson. Wants, once upon a time, some controversy with Springfield Bill Ruger. So I want to get into that, because what really bothers me is people being led by the nose and taken advantage of when they're going out and using their purchasing power in good faith. And I think that's pretty important. So if you could stick around with us right now, we have to tell. We have to tell the folks here to go to Rumble Premium. And by the way, Mission control, get a side by side of Mr. Herrera. And we have. Oh, him and Andre Arlovski. Yes. Can you send it to him? Look at that. Come on.

[Gerald Morgan]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

Come on. I am heavyweight champion of the world. My mouthguard has fangs. All right, we're going to Rumble Premium. Let's go.