Josh Firestone (2:48)

That sounds terrible, and it's really not a good time.

Mark (2:51)

Well, respectfully, Mr. Bennington, you don't know what you're talking about, okay? I'm the professional here, all right? So why don't you take the tampon out and calm down. I don't have time for this.

Steven Crowder (3:02)

Please take me off your list.

Mark (3:04)

Okay, I can do that. Oh, and Mr. Bennington, get some rest. You look tired.

Steven Crowder (3:13)

What?

Mark (3:24)

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Steven Crowder (3:43)

Sam.

Josh Firestone (4:20)

All right.

Steven Crowder (4:21)

Glad to be with you. I think we might. We might be a little tired. Today we double. We do this live, right? Nothing up my sleeve. Hey, go to CNN so people can see that we are live. Nothing up my sleeve. Oh, Wolf Blitzer must have picked the wrong hat. And, oh, there's a Louv heist. Oh, yeah, that was. They're so successful, too. You comment? I go back and forth between thinking, hypothetically that I could never get away with killing somebody. When I watch something like csi, right? Or something like this where I'm like, I could get away with anything. And I don't know which one is closer to reality. Turns out all you have to do.

Josh Firestone (4:56)

Is wear, like, a yellow vest and they'll let you steal stuff out of museums.

Steven Crowder (4:58)

Yeah, do I just need a nun mask like in the town? And that's it.

Mark (5:02)

They got Clouseau on the case, so.

Steven Crowder (5:04)

Yes, they do. I will say this pre taped yesterday. We do this live, but occasionally we sit down to do an Ash Wednesday. Cause we have to move the set around and a guest for flies into town. It was a long taping, like a couple of hours. Won't tell you who, but we covered Nazis, Hitler, the ladies. If I say any more than that, then you'll know who it is. But it's a live show weekdays 11am Eastern. So that'll be running here on a Wednesday, or it could be a Tuesday, in which case it's Nash Tuesday. Who knows? Captain Morgan, CEO. How are you? Good, good.

Josh Firestone (5:34)

Tired, but good.

Steven Crowder (5:35)

Yeah, it's a lot to tape. A few hours of a show in a row, and then I'm trying to think. Mr. Oh, wait, what's. What's. What's your upcoming show? Mr. Josh Firestone.

Mark (5:46)

It's Friday, November 14th, at Enumclaw, Washington.

Steven Crowder (5:50)

Enumclaw.

Mark (5:51)

The Chalet Theater. Chalet. Chalet.

Steven Crowder (5:53)

Chalet, Shallot. It's just French for cottage, but then Americans say chalet. I don't necessarily know what the.

Mark (5:58)

Cottage theater.

Steven Crowder (5:59)

It's the Cottage Theater.

Mark (6:00)

Yeah, well, I was playing the Cotton Theater last week.

Steven Crowder (6:02)

Hey, now. Hey, now. Come on.

Mark (6:03)

What?

Steven Crowder (6:04)

We have a joke about. We have a joke about Racist Sweetest Chef. So I want to tread lightly before we get to that. Oh, yeah, it's a good joke. This is the. I forget what this is. What's this? Oh, okay. Before we get to that, my note here makes no sense. Ice. You guys know ice? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a fan. Big fan. Big fan. Both their early work and their. More. I'm a fan of the entire ICE catalog.

Mark (6:32)

Yeah, they're consistent.

Steven Crowder (6:33)

Not a fan of Porta Potties. When combined, however, it's like chocolate and peanut butter. It just works. I'm not finished. I have poop everywhere.

Mark (6:54)

You can't escape through there. There's a tank.

Steven Crowder (7:01)

Do you think he has to tell that story when he goes back to the crap hole country that he's from?

Josh Firestone (7:05)

How did they get you?

Steven Crowder (7:06)

How did they catch. They were everywhere. Like a ghost. I heard you were in a Porta Potty.

Mark (7:13)

Hey, they call you. They call you Honey Bucket.

Steven Crowder (7:15)

No, that's just rumors.

Josh Firestone (7:18)

Hey, toilet boy, your pants are still stained.

Steven Crowder (7:21)

I poop sometimes. Unfortunately, one ICE agent actually had a. Sometimes you don't realize there are people, too. Had a hard time coming to grips with what he had just done when he realized the illegal alien didn't wipe. There are people, too.

Mark (8:08)

I mean, it's durable.

Steven Crowder (8:11)

I think it's a principle, Tool Man. Also a little too long, but it doesn't work unless it is. It's between that and Bone Tomahawk.

Mark (8:24)

The same thing can happen in a San Diego beach, too, by the way.

Steven Crowder (8:27)

Can it?

Mark (8:27)

Yeah. Oh, yeah, Tijuana. They'll just dump their sewer right into the ocean. They close down the beaches all the time in California, cuz.

Steven Crowder (8:33)

Yeah, poop.

Mark (8:34)

Because there's Mexican Poop in there.

Steven Crowder (8:35)

They just don't have the regulations. Now, name that movie line. Okay, snap. We're gonna talk about snap. But here I think that it's important to remember what SNAP is. And then I'm going to make the case as to why many, many people in this country, in fact, should not have the right to vote and rightfully did not have the right to vote. Matter of fact, not just in this country, throughout all of human history, unless you were a contributor, you didn't get to vote on the resources contributed from those who actually, you know, were of value to society. So, SNAP. That brings us to SNAP, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. SNAP, 1964. That's when it was created. But remember, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. It's important because people just say snap. I don't think they know what SNAP means.

Mark (9:23)

Means, means now.

Steven Crowder (9:26)

Well, yeah, we'll get to those.

Mark (9:27)

Meat my food now.

Steven Crowder (9:29)

Well, it's supposed to be nutrition. Oh, see, that's the key. It's supposed to be supplemental and nutrition. And it's supposed to help low income families supplement nutritionally. Grocery budgets. Right. It's not supposed to just be available, be, be some kind of a service utility that can be used for all food. It's not meant to let people buy whatever they want. The idea in 64 that Snap would be used for ice cream sundaes would have been so absurd that you would have been considered a radical extremist and drummed out of the court whatever party you were a part of. So in the 1970s, there were work requirements that were added rightfully so. And then in 2008, food stamps. They renamed SNAP to fight stigma.

Josh Firestone (10:11)

What?

Mark (10:13)

There was a lot of hate against stamps. The stamp culture, stampers. It was a big problem. People were getting confused with not a popular collecting.

Steven Crowder (10:21)

So now states are warning that SNAP benefits could run out. Your hey, your goody, goody, goody, gimme, gimme, gimme. Could run out if the government shutdown continues. So there you go.

Mark (10:31)

Lawmakers have less than a week to reopen the government before state agencies say the Supplemental Nutrition assistance program or SNAP could impact families ahead of the holidays. Now, the U.S. department of Agriculture sent.

Steven Crowder (10:45)

A letter to state agencies on Friday.

Mark (10:47)

It said there will not be enough funds to pay November SNAP program if the government shutdown continues past October 27th.

Steven Crowder (10:56)

Oh, no. Snaps out.

Narrator/Clip Voice (10:59)

Just wait until the snapshot.

Steven Crowder (11:01)

They'll route the store snapshot cookies and s'.

Narrator/Clip Voice (11:04)

Mores.

Steven Crowder (11:10)

And I want you to see this, this next montage here. And I want you to unfortunately keep in mind that the people you're about to see, they make up a far greater percentage of this country than most people would like to admit. Because now that SNAP may be out, you think, okay, how do we deal with this as a constitutional republic? Maybe people want to push forward some legislation. They say, hey, we need to hold people accountable at the ballot box. Or maybe pressure your local legislators. No, instead, those who receive snap, the recipients they're threatening, if you don't continue to give them free stuff, they're just going to steal it. Trump cutting off food stamps right before.

Mark (11:46)

Thanksgiving, bad and all, but my people ran out of stores with the cart full. Since you want to take food stamps away, I'm going no more. I'm going right up, in and down. Booker, sweet tea, I'm warming right about the move on the Vision center while you're there. It ain't nothing like been knew how to steal. Like, please, I go steal a whole turkey and a ham. Y' all ready for the looting?

Steven Crowder (12:08)

If you gotta take those groceries, go ahead and take them.

Mark (12:10)

If you gotta walk, smooth out the door. Just take them. I don't care. I'm. I support you. I will be at Walmart with my.

Steven Crowder (12:17)

Steel toes on in my helmet, and.

Mark (12:21)

I dare a try from walking out that stove with my groceries. What's going on in this world? I really think it's your best bet to let them people walk about their store with that. And you mind your business, because I promise you, one of y' all get in my face, I'm go flu flocks y' all ass. I swear for Jesus.

Steven Crowder (12:37)

Oh, mind our business. Thank you for the advice. World star Swedish Chef.

Mark (12:51)

That guy has a job, you know.

Steven Crowder (12:54)

By the way, out there working. Just so you know, we did have a revolt here. We went back and forth as to whether the world star Swedish Chef should say the N word, right?

Josh Firestone (13:04)

It was about 50. 50?

Mark (13:06)

Yeah, I said it was funny. But we shouldn't do it.

Steven Crowder (13:10)

We probably shouldn't do it.

Mark (13:11)

I want that to be known. I thought it was funny.

Steven Crowder (13:13)

Mind your business. What is our business? We are the taxpayer. We're the ones who funds snap. To be clear, mankind, this country is our business. So this is. Think about this. You're going to give us free crap even if we're perpetually unemployed or we're going to commit a felony? How do you solve that? How do we coexist as a country? At what point do you think people get fed up enough? Then remember, SNAP recipients all references link in the description, as we do every Single show, they cost you, The American worker. $145 billion a year, $9 billion a year alone are spent in sugary drinks. That's the number one SNAP item. Think about it. Supplement nutrition, supplemental nutrition, Sprite.

Mark (14:06)

That's from the Department of Agriculture.

Steven Crowder (14:08)

Yeah. And then something else. You go, well, hey, yeah, some people, they need. Hey, they have some tough breaks. This is not Cinderella Man. When you understand that the average bill for someone using snap, it's twice the amount spent on the average non snap grocery bill. So if you're struggling, if you're middle class, and that stings when you see those taxes taken out of your check, just know that there's someone out there who, my God, has had a little bit of a tough go. But they're spending double what you just budgeted for your groceries and putting it into their Escalade. Yeah.

Josh Firestone (14:41)

Did Donald Trump, was he successful in removing sodas from Snap? I know that there was a conversation about that.

Mark (14:47)

It was by states. There's like five states to get out, five more committed to.

Josh Firestone (14:51)

How is this not one of those things that you can just like wave a wand and make happen? Everybody should support that.

Steven Crowder (14:56)

What do you think? Yeah. Okay. $9 billion in sugary drinks, gone.

Josh Firestone (15:00)

No gone.

Steven Crowder (15:00)

Done. Just done. How about that? Whatever Billion in ring dings, Lil dad, whatever else it is. Junk food, gone. Let's say that's $50 billion a year. We can't do that. Do you guys understand this? This country can't do that because that's considered a violation of human rights. We're not going to find common ground with people who think that they should be able to spend twice the amount that you spend on your carefully budgeted grocery bill on soda, on candy. If you can't cut candy from Snap, you can't cut anything from government. And that's why it was so disappointing when you saw conservative influencers out there saying, we need to keep Coca Cola on stage. Speaking of which, this is why I always say, be careful. Fake news proliferates on both sides. This clip has been making the rounds regarding snap, and I just want you to know it's not legitimate. It's satire. This person's a comedian. But roll this clip because you may have seen it.

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Steven Crowder (17:00)

Just woke up, I got an email from EBT. I used to get seven hundred and.

Mark (17:07)

Forty a month for my two kids.

Steven Crowder (17:11)

And we're not getting EBT no more. They took the EBT. They saying I gotta work 20 hours a week. I'm not working for nobody. Get the out of here. This is what Americans taxpayer work for, for us. They work for me. They gotta help me feed my kids. Get the out of here. You know I'm saying like don't be quitters now. Y' all been helping us all this time, now y' all want to tap out. Get the out of here. I want my ebt, yo.

Mark (17:38)

I want my ebt.

Steven Crowder (17:39)

And I'm not working for nobody. I'm a boss. What the like working when the government is here to help? Come on. Yeah, yeah. Y' all sent all that money to Iraq, Ukraine, y' all funding all these wars. But when it's time to help the Americans, y' all don't want to help us. I need my ebt, yo. I need my money, yo. I need my ebt. Stop playing with me, yo. And some you guys found some information on.

Josh Firestone (18:06)

Yeah, so this guy is, his name.

Mark (18:08)

Is the loopy blogger and that's his Insta account.

Josh Firestone (18:10)

You can see that he, he does.

Mark (18:12)

Shows and he goes out for guest appearances.

Steven Crowder (18:14)

It's clearly a parody. Okay, it's clear, it's. And by the way, we almost got caught because we saw it from so many right wing, from so many right leaning influencer accounts. A good part of the work that we do here is making sure that we correct the record and you have accurate information. And it's easy for us to be caught flat footed because sometimes you just go like, well, why would 20 accounts out there with total at 50 million impressions. Why would they not do due diligence? I don't have an answer for you. I just know that they don't. And if you want us to be able to continue to do this, it's a team effort, requires a lot of of legwork. Please do consider. Hey, join Rumble Premium. That's what funds us. It's viewers like you. Mug Club is Rumble Premium. Rumble Premium is Mug Club, $99 a year. Get this wonderful hand etched mug and you get The Friday show 100% more. Show everything ad free and we're not able to do this. But just, just be very careful and if something seems off, double check it because it usually is. Back to Snap.

Josh Firestone (19:10)

Well, I was gonna say also because it was so close to what you think some of the opinions might actually be. It was hard to tell the difference sometimes.

Steven Crowder (19:16)

Well, that montage that we ran for you, that should be enough. Yeah, the truth should be enough, but the truth doesn't travel as quickly as the lie. So people go, this is the most extreme example. I want to use that. Do you know what happens when you present that to a leftist? They go fake news and they'll say that you can be trusted on nothing. Right? That's why truth does matter. Accuracy, or at least an attempt to be accurate does matter. Back to Snap. If you don't continue to give us free stuff, we're just going to steal it. Socialism is sharing at gunpoint. Do you understand that? I want you. When people say, hey, it's empathetic, right? We need to help those who have less. Remember what you just saw. Does that seem like empathy? And then add on top of that that those same people spend twice the amount on their average grocery bill that you do. Have you had some tough breaks? Did you struggle during the Biden economy? Are you still bouncing back? Was Covid tough? Because the truth is, yeah, there are different classes of people. And those who pay nothing in taxes, they experience they have luxuries at their disposal that you couldn't even possibly imagine when you are paying your own way. I think that is morally reprehensible and we need to focus on that more. There's no empathy from the left. There's only the purchasing of votes. And this brings me back to how do we fix it? People say, repeal the 19th and they turn it into a gender thing. No, it's the idea that in this country and throughout all of human history, voting was not simply a birthright. Voting was a responsibility married to duties, to the people. Who contributed resources to that country. You think that someone who's receiving SNAP spending twice the average grocery bill. They're not spending because it's not theirs. I use the term really Wrongfully exchanging. Trading your money at twice the rate than you do. Then if they don't continue to receive these, they're going to steal stuff. You think these people should vote on what SNAP looks like and then vote on the criminal laws that they have warned you they will break? Of course not. Here's how we fix it. Not just id, not just proof of citizenship, which is great. I don't think you should have the right to vote in this country if you don't pay taxes. I think there should be a requirement. You pay taxes, don't care what it is. Has to be something. No sales tax. Don't try and pull that leftist. Nope, not enough. You have to pay taxes. You have to provide proof of gainful employment for at least two years. Now if you're temporarily unemployed and you get that, sure there can be exceptions for that. You have to pass a civics test. Show that you are proficient in our national language. Of course, be a law abiding citizen. Oh, and by the way, you don't get to vote if you are not eligible for selective service. The draft. We can't have people who can be sent to war at the drop of a hat while being voted upon from people who don't. People who don't risk it. Taxpaying, working, contributing, speak the language, civics test. Draft for everybody or only those eligible for the draft get to vote. Comment below. You think that's reasonable? I do. And you know who else thought it was reasonable? Every human being ever. Until we just said yeah, everyone gets to vote. No matter how much of a drain on society you are. How long before the country implodes? Genuine question. How long before people catch on and realize, oh wait, I'm actually better off not working, not paying taxes because I'll have double the grocery budget. And then I can simply break the law because I live in a state where there's cashless bail, catch and release and IOU policy. I can continue to live consequence free and vote on ensuring that a society floats. Me, the leech, the succubus, the remora can't do that. This country can't sustain itself. Hey, I will tell you this though. This show is not sustained by super chats alone. As a matter of fact, it's not sustained by super chats at all. You can't send us money. We're not strippers or Israel shills. But we can do the opposite. We can do Reverse Super Chat, give you money. Reverse Super Chat. Today it is brought to you, but not the warning sign. Folks at PureTalk giving away 50 free rumble premium subscriptions. Just gifted in the chat 100% United States customer service. I cannot tell you how much that helps. And you can save 50% off your first month. Puretalk.com Crowder it's better than the other, the other leading carriers out there. You get a better price, you get just as good service. And you can call and get someone on the phone who actually speaks your language. So they've at least met some of the criteria to be able to vote.

Mark (24:08)

You mean a guy named Mark who actually is named Mark?

Steven Crowder (24:11)

Yes.

Rand Paul (24:11)

Oh, sick.

Steven Crowder (24:12)

My name is Mark from Georgia.

Mark (24:16)

No, it isn't.

Steven Crowder (24:16)

Your name is not Mark. Good vibration, funky bunch. That's been Reverse Super Chat.

Josh Firestone (24:27)

Good vibration, funky punch. I'm just gonna end it on that.

Steven Crowder (24:33)

All right, next one. Fact check. Jon Stewart. Let me preface this. I think everyone here agrees that Jon Stewart is very funny. Yes.

Mark (24:41)

Even when he's wrong, he's funny. Still.

Steven Crowder (24:43)

Even when he's wrong, he's funny and he is wrong a lot. So two things can be true. Bill Maher has never been funny accidentally. Kind of a miracle.

Josh Firestone (24:54)

I mean, even I've been funny accidentally.

Steven Crowder (24:58)

More than Bill Maher. You know what? I will actually agree with that statement. Yes. So Jon Stewart just laid out the case as to why Donald Trump. President Trump is in fact a king.

Narrator/Clip Voice (25:08)

The declaration says.

Steven Crowder (25:10)

Ah, he has Tool Man. When I say, um, I miss the. That's not a period. That's not punctuation.

Josh Firestone (25:19)

It's a comma.

Steven Crowder (25:20)

All right, we'll do. I'll do this takeoff again. Let's do it again. Jon Stewart lays out the case as to why President Trump is a king. And I'm going to fact check all of it. He's funny, he's wrong about everything.

Narrator/Clip Voice (25:34)

The declaration says he has kept among us in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislatures, done cutting off our trade with all parts of the world. That does sound familiar. He has obstructed the administration of justice. Getting hot in here. And here's one more.

Steven Crowder (26:06)

Oh.

Narrator/Clip Voice (26:07)

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us. I mean, come on, I'm calling it. Look, maybe Trump isn't an all powerful king, the kind who can do whatever he wants, but he's undeniably king adjacent. King esque. Moving for more now.

Steven Crowder (26:25)

You may think he has a point, especially considering President Trump even has an animation that works geared at teaching kids about his kingly successes. Yep, there you go. I guess that's the updated cover, by the way. I still have the old one, the.

Mark (26:39)

OG dildos on that one.

Steven Crowder (26:40)

Rated R, but all references in the description as we do every show. Everything Jon Stewart, everything he presents is factually incorrect. It's time for claim truth. Alright. The first claim from one Mr. Jon Stewart, that President Trump deployed the army in peacetime against citizens. That makes him a king.

Narrator/Clip Voice (27:04)

The declaration says. Ah, he has kept among us in times of peace standing armies without the consent of our legislatures. Done.

Steven Crowder (27:16)

Okay, here's the truth. Of course the President can deploy the National Guard against violent criminals and. And illegals. Title 10 expressly gives a President the authority to deploy the National Guard when specifically he's unable to execute the laws of the land. The United States with regular forces. ICE in this case would be the regular forces for enforcing immigration law. And you need to take into account that attacks on ice are up over 1000% since a year ago. It is well within his authority. As a matter of fact, it's kind of the only option when you have sanctuary cities and you have mayors coddling domestic terrorists who are attacking ice. Here's a clip actually from Nick Shorter Monday night in Portland showing antifa attacking ICE with explosives, tear gas, you name it. Looks like a group who really fears the kingly authority.

Josh Firestone (28:24)

Yeah.

Steven Crowder (28:25)

And you made a good point, Josh, where he just has a standing army during peacetime.

Josh Firestone (28:28)

Yeah.

Mark (28:28)

That's a normal thing. I mean, the national. That's what the National Guard is anytime they're called into anything.

Steven Crowder (28:33)

Yeah.

Mark (28:33)

I mean, what is. Was Bush calling in a standing army during Katrina?

Steven Crowder (28:38)

If you basically, if you have an army. He's trying to say that you. Yeah. You can't happen among us.

Mark (28:42)

Kept among us is. Is what the kingly thing is. He kept among us a standing army. Yeah, I mean, what is Fort Bliss because it's in the middle of El Paso. That's a standing army.

Steven Crowder (28:53)

Yeah.

Mark (28:54)

What does that even mean?

Steven Crowder (28:55)

You could even tell that he didn't really believe this one.

Mark (28:57)

It's the Declaration of Independence. It's not the Constitution. First of all, it's something that they wrote when they still had a king and they were colonists and it's a whole, it's a whole weird way to just, I guess do a bit and call him a king, but that's absolutely not an equivalent.

Steven Crowder (29:11)

Well, he makes some more definitive claims. And you pointed out, I don't think he really believes this One. He kind of just had to add it in. And by the way, where were you, Jon Stewart, and people of his ilk when Tim Walls actually did deploy the National Guard to keep citizens in their own homes? Curfew during the George Floyd riots and their cities burned down. Get inside. Get in your house now. Let's go. Light him up. Go inside now. Get in the hell. And see if you can sort of spot the difference here. You see that clip? The person screaming, having paintballs shot at them. That's an American citizen on their own property. ICE is trying to deport illegal aliens, often on public property. You may not agree. Do you understand the difference? Comment below. Next claim from. Did we just decide to continue with the Nintendo claim? Truth. Okay.

Josh Firestone (30:14)

I don't know if we voted on it or if it was just by fiat.

Mark (30:17)

They did. Gerald asked to keep it one time, and then he complained about it later.

Josh Firestone (30:21)

Yes.

Mark (30:22)

And then out of spite, Timis kept it. Okay, I think I got that right.

Steven Crowder (30:25)

I don't feel very kingly because I don't know that I voted.

Mark (30:27)

I don't like it either, but Gerald said keep it.

Rand Paul (30:29)

So I.

Steven Crowder (30:30)

No, no, I'm gonna. I'm gonna usurp it. I'm revert back. Yeah, but not today. Okay. I'll do it tomorrow. That's right. That's right. The next claim. Jon Stewart.

Josh Firestone (30:40)

We should revert back next time.

Steven Crowder (30:42)

Crap. Is that. I don't even want to say it. Just watch him say it.

Narrator/Clip Voice (30:49)

Cutting off our trade with all parts of the world. That does sound familiar.

Mark (30:57)

It's funny how he says.

Steven Crowder (30:58)

It is funny.

Josh Firestone (30:59)

Yeah.

Steven Crowder (31:00)

Here's the truth. We haven't stopped trading with a single country. Not one?

Mark (31:05)

No, not one.

Steven Crowder (31:07)

And as a matter of fact, in going through this, they kind of looking through the numbers, I thought there must be a typo.

Josh Firestone (31:13)

Yeah.

Steven Crowder (31:14)

Because we actually had $600,000 worth of total trade with North Korea in 2025. And I almost went to research. Guys, hey, wait, did you mean to say South Korea? But in which case did you mean like 600 million or billion, or did you actually mean North Korea, in which case it would have to be zero? No, it turns out 600. So we've not stopped trading with a single country. And with North Korea, 600,000, that includes $100,000 worth of imports. I don't. What could we possibly be importing from North Korea? And it seems like President Trump was, you know, diplomacy just throwing them a bone. Look, Kim Jong, I'm very busy. I don't care what you're Selling. I'm not.

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Steven Crowder (33:01)

Oh, come on. Don't you want to buy Supreme Leader doll? Unless it's American Girl, I'm not interested. But they come with Paul String have four phrases to say, I'll send you 100 grand. You know, you plant a seed and you hope that maybe they say, oh, American.

Mark (33:26)

Yeah, yeah. This is goodwill.

Steven Crowder (33:28)

Yes.

Mark (33:29)

To all men.

Steven Crowder (33:30)

So we haven't stopped trade with a single country. And, you know, you can disagree with the tariffs, just don't misrepresent it. They're being used to rebalance trade to reshore production. And by the way, it's actually reduced our budget deficit by far. $41 billion compared to 2024, because we've generated about $195 billion in tariff revenue.

Rand Paul (33:50)

Yeah.

Steven Crowder (33:51)

So it is a net positive right now. It seems to be working. It's not all good. There are some wrinkles that need to be ironed out. And again, wait, where were you? Jon Stewart and those on the left, one former Vice President Biden kept. As a matter of fact, it's one of the only things that he kept from the previous Trump administration. He kept and actually increased President Trump's tariffs on China from his first term. So we just need to apply it equally. And if you disagree with the policy, fine, but disagree with the actual policy. And that's why we make the references available, by the way, the best way to stay in touch. Follow me on Rumble, download the app. That's the best. It was being downloaded more than YouTube in the app Store. Making some headway. Follow me there. You get notified when we are live, which, of course is weekdays, 11am Eastern. The next claim. Can we all just.

Josh Firestone (34:38)

Does he understand the context of the Declaration of Independence? Like, he understands this is not like a working definition of a king, Right?

Steven Crowder (34:46)

I don't know.

Josh Firestone (34:46)

This is not what historians look back on and go, is it a king or is it not a king? Well, let's look to the Declaration of Independence to see.

Mark (34:53)

Well, that's why I said he was doing a bit.

Steven Crowder (34:55)

Right?

Mark (34:55)

This is all. This is all a bit. It's a comedy show. I understand where he's coming from, but yeah, you're right. It's. It's not the Constitution. It's not the definition of.

Josh Firestone (35:06)

It's not encyclopedia, I will say.

Steven Crowder (35:08)

I mean, we're all adults here. We can identify the difference between just a joke or a bit. And he is laying out the case. He believes that Donald Trump is a king.

Josh Firestone (35:15)

Yeah, he's doing it with jokes. Now.

Steven Crowder (35:18)

Is he just using the Declaration of Independence because it's better fodder for a bit?

Josh Firestone (35:21)

Probably.

Steven Crowder (35:21)

I don't know. I just know that a lot of people believe his claims is true because.

Mark (35:26)

He couldn't use the Constitution. There's nothing in there.

Steven Crowder (35:28)

Exactly.

Mark (35:28)

He had to use something American. They had to go, okay, wouldn't this be great if he was violating. Well, he's not violating the Constitution. What can we use the Bible? That's not gonna work. Oh, Declaration of Independence. Yeah, this will piss off the right.

Steven Crowder (35:39)

Yeah. And then I can also just lie and say he stopped trade with countries and it's just not true. Here's the next claim that he makes, and this one's really bad because this really echoes what the leftist media has tried to sort of parrot. And it's also what leads to unrest, violence, and labeling supporters of Donald Trump as fascists, as Nazis. His claim is that President Trump obstruct.

Narrator/Clip Voice (36:04)

He has obstructed the administration of justice. It's getting hot in here.

Steven Crowder (36:13)

Okay, here's the truth. The left is the only side. They're the ones exclusively obstructing justice. Since 2000, 67% of nationwide injunctions were against Trump. I know you're thinking, do you mean since 2020? No, I mean since 2000. Since 2000, 67% of all nationwide injunctions were against President Trump and 92% of them were issued by Democrat appointed judges. Let me read you the List of nationwide injunctions. President Trump just his second term, 40. Biden, 14. Obama 12. George W. Bush, 6. Also, where were you, Jon Stewart, and those on the left when former Vice President Biden said that he would specifically ignore the Supreme Court as it related to student loans, eviction moratoriums. Right. Rent forgiveness that screwed a lot of small mom and pop home providers. He said it. He said they'll probably strike it down. Right. Because it's not actually constitutional. But until then, we're going to get some of this done. And where were you when Chuck Schumer made threats against Supreme Court justices? I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. Now, I know if you say you don't want to play that game because then you get to the game of, you know, fight like hell. Well, no, we'll get to that. Because the left has to lie about a quote, extend the context of that Chuck Schumer quote. Doesn't get any better, gets worse. And radical trans leftists have actually tried to kill Brett Kavanaugh. There have been attempts on his life. People also still think, my God, he's a gang rapist, even though it's the most verifiably untrue act of slander that we have really seen nationally. So, all right, next claim that Jon Stewart makes. Just watch him make it.

Narrator/Clip Voice (38:10)

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us. I mean, come on. I'm calling it.

Steven Crowder (38:19)

Are you? Well, here's the truth. I'm calling it. January 6th was not an insurrection, but let's assume for a second that it was. It wasn't. Certainly wouldn't be an insurrection that was called for from President Trump because he specifically told people to make their voices peacefully and patriotically heard. You cut out that part. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. And then we get to the actual January 6th protests that were overwhelmingly peaceful. People were arrested, held in jail for over a year, who were let in by the Capitol Police on a walking tour and, by the way, even echoed themselves. We have to remain peaceful. There were 274 plainclothes officers, federal agents in the crowd, and the only death was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump. And if you want to blame anyone as far as the results, well, Pelosi would tell you to blame her.

Mark (39:18)

Should we call the Capitol Police?

Steven Crowder (39:21)

I mean, the National Guard. Why weren't the National Guard there to Begin with they clearly didn't know. And I take responsibility for not having them.

Mark (39:30)

Just prepare for more.

Steven Crowder (39:32)

Well, you know what? We'll give you that responsibility. As far as insurrections, if you want to compare it. What about the inauguration violence after 2017? What about the pussy hat marchers trying to breach the Supreme Court? What about in 2020? Right. This happened not long before January 6th, where you had leftists who literally tried to storm the White House, tried to kick down the White House fence and burn down a church across the street. What about the Summer of Love, the George Floyd riots? What about Chaz, where a portion of a city, a major city, was overtaken as an autonomous zone? How about all of those? Not to mention the, the pro Hamas, I don't want to say protests, the pro Hamas terrorism on campus that, by the way, would block Jews from going to their own classes. And not all of them, but certainly more than January 6th. And here's how you know. Okay. Is it a bit. Sure. Is it applied equally? Not even close. And here actually is a valuable clip. Jon Stewart, I believe it was on the same show. Was it or was it. It might have been the day before. I think it was the day before. I think it was October 20th, where he interviewed Bernie Sanders. And he started off trying to confront him a little bit about how Democrat policies have raised costs, but then he just allowed Bernie to dodge completely, which he wouldn't do with someone who might be slightly on the right.

Narrator/Clip Voice (40:55)

But what happens is when the government promises endless funds to insurance companies or private universities without any cost controls, and Trump seems to understand this, prices rise far beyond the rate of inflation. And we've seen it in tuition and we've seen it in pharmaceutical and we've seen it in health care. So my question is, will Democrats recognize the poison pill that they've often placed into well intentioned policies?

Mark (41:31)

Right, right.

Steven Crowder (41:32)

What they end up doing is coming up with very complicated proposals.

Mark (41:35)

You make $48,964. Yes, you will get this thing. You make a dollar more, you finished. And blah, blah, blah, blah.

Steven Crowder (41:42)

Look, we are very simple. In the wealthiest country in the history of the world, should health care be a human right?

Mark (41:48)

Yes, it should be.

Steven Crowder (41:49)

Should we have the best quality education in the world? Question one's about rising costs to graduate school. Yes, we should.

Mark (41:56)

He answered with two questions. He answered himself.

Steven Crowder (41:58)

These are, how do you pass? The question is, all right, these are. I'm writing this, Sanders, the Republicans, you're getting violent here.

Mark (42:08)

You know, the Republicans, are you getting violent?

Steven Crowder (42:13)

All Right.

Mark (42:15)

It was a yes or no question.

Narrator/Clip Voice (42:20)

So when you see Donald Trump, go to, and only in this one area, but go to them and say, you're giving me 10% of your company if we're going to help you out, or we're going to do that. But here's the thing, Pfizer, you're not going to charge these people anymore. Does that change the calculus now for Democrats to govern with more balls?

Steven Crowder (42:42)

I think it does.

Narrator/Clip Voice (42:47)

You want Luke Skywalker to look at Darth and go, I could do that, I could just nicer.

Steven Crowder (42:55)

Yeah, he answered nothing and go watch the whole clip. I wrote this down too. I wrote down two things. Student loans and healthcare and pharmaceutical costs. Right. That was the premise of the question. Right. These skyrocketing costs. Let me genuine question. Student loans, pharmaceutical costs and overall healthcare costs. Can you name me any other sectors of the economy that have more government intervention, legislation and red tape? It's almost like if you go to student loans, the left has put that on their platform that they of course want to forgive student loans, that they want to make college affordable for everyone. It's almost like if you go to health care costs, if you go to pharmaceutical costs, that's been the platform of the left where it needs to be a human right. They have intervened more in these two sectors of the economy. Maybe big banks, maybe airlines, in the auto industry, but certainly tied. So I know correlation doesn't equal causation. I took humanities in college as well. But when you point to those as the most egregious examples of skyrocketing costs and you cross reference it with this has been the platform and where Democrats have demanded the most amount of legislation, subsidies, intervention, could there be a correlation? Could there be a cause, an effect at play? I would argue there is. And I've done segments making the case that there is. And I would, I would agree though with John Stewart. Common ground. I don't want kings. I'm not a fan of kings at all. That's why I think this country's better. We left a system of kings and then they got mad their number one draft pick got away. I don't like kings. That's why I voted against kings. When I voted against the former vice president and the non primary coronation of Kamala Harris, I voted against a monarchy, I voted against a dynasty for Donald Trump, I voted against kingly type authority. When I, when I, I would say pull that lever, but it seems a digital screen right now, I consciously thought I'm voting against COVID lockdown. Policy and vaccine mandates. I consciously thought. I'm voting against the Department of Misinformation and the censorship policy of this administration and Nina Jankowicz and the Twitter files and calling for the removal of Joe Rogan. Jen Psaki from Spotify. I'm voting against the abuse of lawfare. I'm voting against the open borders policy that flooded us with 18 million illegals in the course. Over the course of three and a half years. Let's use the low end, 15 million. Even though we specifically the people have voiced our wants, our needs, that we need to secure our border. I voted very consciously against leftist violence and continual insurrections that we saw under former Vice President Biden and of course Barack Obama. That's where it started. I very consciously avoid. I voted against tyranny and those who carried it out. But I can make the case. Can you? Can anyone? Cuz this one doesn't hold water. I think you were about to say something, but then I was just. I was wrapping it up.

Josh Firestone (46:16)

No, no, no. You did a very nice job, I think. Listen, I think there's a really big problem when you have somebody like Jon Stewart, who. He did better on that question, I think, than just about anybody. He said, can't you recognize the poison pill that you guys. And he even tried to give him a little like unintentionally, maybe with good intentions. You put a poison pill in there and it raises prices for everyone. And Bernie Sanders either saw that and went oh crap and had to pivot or just completely didn't care. He has to know that their policies raise these prices. That's one of the arguments we made against just giving everybody, like, if you want to go to college, everybody should go to college. And we're just going to pay for it. No, we're just going to forgive it later. So it's like, okay, so rising prices, you're going to forgive. I thought you were against Big Pharma. Everything you do makes them more money. So I don't understand why it took somebody like Jon Stewart asking that question. Because, you know, he doesn't want to.

Mark (47:08)

Yeah, I think he wants to. I think more people should want to.

Josh Firestone (47:11)

Yeah, I think you're right. The second part. I think he should. Yeah, he should want to. But Jon Stewart has made a career.

Steven Crowder (47:17)

Wait, hold on a second. You mean Bernie Sanders should want to answer it?

Josh Firestone (47:19)

No, I'm saying that Jon Stewart does not want to ask that question. He is almost like forced to try and drag it out. Don't you see how this could possibly, you know, be a problem now.

Steven Crowder (47:29)

I think it's a fair question. I completely disagree with him. With good intentions. I don't, I don't agree with that. But, Josh, you were saying? Yeah, I think people should want to ask those questions.

Mark (47:37)

Yeah, I think they should. Then I think he. Well, it's all right.

Steven Crowder (47:41)

Who gives a rat's ass if Gerald disagrees? He's a penny pincher.

Mark (47:45)

I couldn't, I can't get it out. I can't even get it out without him disagreeing with me. I forget what I'm saying. I'm not very sure.

Steven Crowder (47:50)

I can't even get it up when I'm looking at him.

Mark (47:51)

I do know what love is.

Steven Crowder (47:55)

You know, the sweet embrace of woman. I will say this to believe that these were well intentioned.

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Steven Crowder (49:00)

All right, let's go to healthcare, right? Obamacare, that's what people, people know that public option and then it kind of became this sort of Frankenstein monster that you know now if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. Do we believe that the entire Democrat party, including Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama did not know they were, they were well intentioned that you would not be able to keep your plan, that your premiums would skyrocket more than double, that your deductibles would go up if they required health insurance companies to cover pre existing conditions. If they find you, if you had chosen not to purchase health care, did they not know so you would have to believe then, if you believe it's well intentioned, you would have to believe that everyone on the left is an idiot. Did they not know that the government coming in and subsidizing higher education in the form of grants, scholarships, did they not know that it would render college unaffordable because you have a perverse incentive for universities to raise prices? Did they not know that? Did they not look to any other examples of subsidizing our economy, the housing market crash, what we did with the bank bailouts? And then you would have to say, okay, but if they didn't know, if they're really, really stupid and they were well intentioned, and we just happen to have astronomical costs for universities, we just happen to have astronomical healthcare and pharmaceutical costs, this was just, they couldn't know, then you still have to believe that they were evil enough, meaning the left, to not listen to anyone on the right, yours truly included, saying that that is exactly what was going to happen. They didn't know, okay? Thomas Sowell did, Rush Limbaugh did, many economists did and warned them. So even if they had good intentions and they were stupid, they still refused to listen to half of the country, you know, like during COVID And so that's just as evil, in my opinion.

Josh Firestone (51:07)

Yeah. And I've seen people ask questions before that they want answers to. You've done it, I've done it. Josh has done. Everybody's done it in this room. That was not a question that you want an answer to when the answer you get is ridiculous and you don't follow up once.

Steven Crowder (51:19)

Right.

Josh Firestone (51:20)

You don't come back to it once. You don't act like, yes, I understand that and I hate Republicans too. But don't you see how this is hurting our cause? Not, not even that, not even that. He didn't want an answer. That question wasn't real to him. He asked it.

Steven Crowder (51:32)

He moved on to believe the premise. Let me give you, let me give you an analogy here or allegory. Okay? You believe that the left had good intentions and didn't know. There were also a bunch of people who did know. Same thing during COVID Good intentions didn't know that Covid maybe came from a lab, even though plenty of people were saying that it had good intentions, didn't know that lockdowns may not work, that lockdowns may lead to irreparable changes in the mental health fabric of our country, but plenty of people were saying would be like telling someone, I know you just wanted to rest the baby on the counter with good intentions. And you didn't know that the stove was a bad place. And it turns out it is. But at that same people are going, don't put the baby on the stove. Hey, stove burns babies. Stove burns babies. Well, I don't know that. And putting it there anyway, you would have had to make all those missteps. So not knowing does not absolve you of the crime. If people were saying, you know, I'm telling you, this is what's going to happen, and you dismiss them and in some cases, deplatform them. Good intentions. Well, then why did you de platform? The people who said this may have negative consequences. I'm sorry, I give you no quarter, no grace. None. We've lived it. And Gen Z men are onto it. Something else we're onto. Libertarianism is gay.

Mark (53:05)

Actually, I think libertarianism is like the non binary.

Steven Crowder (53:09)

Yes. Okay.

Mark (53:10)

Political party. Like, they're like, we're not. We're not boys or girls. We're fun.

Steven Crowder (53:15)

It's the question for who? For us. Yeah, this one's for me. They're the question.

Mark (53:22)

I want you to guess what I think all the time. And if you guess wrong, you're wrong.

Steven Crowder (53:25)

All right? Now, I think that's fair. Okay. They're the questioning in the lgbtq. Although people say it's not questioning, it's queer. Well, what does that mean? It means you don't know.

Mark (53:34)

So questioning, all right, means your dad's disappointed.

Steven Crowder (53:38)

Yes, that's exactly what it means. You can say that about all the letters. Libertarianism doesn't work. We now know. I would sort of file it under, like, the left's ideas. Okay? They've been tried. They don't work. We're done with that now. We understand that it cannot function. That brings us to Rand Paul and Venezuela and the drug boats right now. So you probably know this. This administration, right, They've been destroying not just a few drug boats, but it's actually been about sending a message to a government, a rogue government that is effectively a narco terrorist state. The government of Venezuela is one big cartel. And if you haven't been following this, well, hear this. I believe it's President Trump discussing. Or is this Maduro? Oh, it's Maduro himself. And we have another clip of Donald Trump Maduro himself discussing that tensions have been high between the two governments. Not guar. Just pizzeria Pueblo and Tado Junido. No Alagueera. No Caribbean. No, not guar. Just pits.

Mark (54:58)

Which bits do you mean? You know me bit. Hexith you just ask his translator on.

Steven Crowder (55:06)

The people in the United States. Please, please, please, please, please, please.

Mark (55:11)

It has been reported that Maduro offered everything in his country, all the natural resources. He even recorded a message to you in English recently offering mediation. What should we do? He has offered everything. He's offered everything. You're right.

Steven Crowder (55:28)

You know why?

Mark (55:29)

Because he doesn't want to around with the United States. Thank you, everybody.

Josh Firestone (55:36)

Love it.

Steven Crowder (55:37)

Stuck the landing. You know what? Yes. I'm more offended by horrible corrosive policy than naughty words. Naguar, what did we do? Said this band Nagwar. Not guarantee on audio. That makes no sense. But by the way, has that ever worked? Do you think that sides were lining up? The Revolutionary War, the Civil war, World War II, and one guy's like, no quar. What do we do? Peace. Please. He said, please, please, please, no quarre.

Mark (56:13)

Guess we go home after being an agitator.

Steven Crowder (56:15)

Yeah, exactly.

Josh Firestone (56:18)

How about you do what we said and then there's no quar.

Steven Crowder (56:20)

Yeah. And we have to put aside for a second the war on drugs and people saying that it's failed. And I understand that. Okay? But here we are at this point in time with a foreign, a narco terrorist state. Let me walk you through this. January 10th, right? That's when the Trump administration designated the Venezuelan based TDA a foreign terrorist organization. So there's all kinds of transnational trafficking of weapons, narcotics, and by the way, humans. So you do have to cut the head off of the beast. And this organization receives direct support from the Maduro regime to varying degrees. This is also the same group, tda, that took over housing, remember, in Aurora, San Antonio, other United States cities. So it's actually a threat to American citizens. The more powerful they are, the more at risk you are. And you know what? I don't even care as to how much risk it is. Just don't like them. I just don't want them to. Yeah, yeah, no, just bits, just bits. I don't want them to exist and I have a vote. Is that enough? Fair. And President Trump. And by the way, in a perfect way, he did acknowledge that he'd authorized CIA action inside Venezuela. But here's a clip.

Rand Paul (57:24)

Why did you authorize the CIA to go into Venezuela?

Steven Crowder (57:28)

And is there more information you can.

Rand Paul (57:30)

Share about these strikes on the alleged.

Mark (57:32)

Well, I can't do that. I authorize for two reasons, really. Number one, they have emptied their prisons into the United States of America. And the other thing are drugs. We have a lot of drugs coming in from Venezuela.

Steven Crowder (57:43)

And a lot of the Venezuelan drugs.

Mark (57:45)

Come in through the sea, so you get to see that. But we're going to stop them by land also.

Steven Crowder (57:50)

Does the CIA have authority to take out Maduro?

Mark (57:53)

Oh, I don't want to answer a question like that. That's a ridiculous question for me to be given. Not really a ridiculous question. But wouldn't it be a ridiculous question for me to answer? Yes. Yes, it would.

Josh Firestone (58:05)

Maduro's like, he.

Steven Crowder (58:06)

He didn't say.

Josh Firestone (58:07)

No, but listen.

Steven Crowder (58:11)

Please, please, not Pete. You mean Pete Hexeth. He's okay, Pete, but listen.

Josh Firestone (58:18)

If anybody understands the CIA and the kind of meddling operations and targeting leaders to do government overthrows to do stuff, it's South America.

Steven Crowder (58:27)

Yes, 100%.

Josh Firestone (58:29)

The CIA has been authorized there.

Steven Crowder (58:30)

He's like, oh, God, I've seen this before. Not CIA, please.

Mark (58:35)

They're not a fan of their work down there.

Steven Crowder (58:36)

No, they're not. It doesn't always work out.

Mark (58:38)

That's where the term banana republic comes from.

Steven Crowder (58:40)

Yes.

Josh Firestone (58:41)

By the way, I have to issue a correction. It wasn't in January about the. The TDA was in February. The administration started that gummet. The administration started on January 20th. So they couldn't have made them a terrorist organization on January 10th. It was February 10th. So sorry about that.

Steven Crowder (58:54)

Okay. And you thought that it was pivotal that you disrupt my flow because of a month's to be correct. Okay, that's fair. All right.

Mark (59:00)

Your speech.

Steven Crowder (59:03)

No, please, not war. Not.

Mark (59:10)

That's our new cueta.

Steven Crowder (59:11)

It has to be. He sounds so scared. Please, please, please, please, please, please. Pretty please with the cherry on top. No guar. Teen roof Sunday peanuts, please. No guar. So maybe a five finger test punch, but no guar. No gu. He's okay. No guar. So silly. You think he'd have it like someone tell someone, coach him. Like Driving Miss Daisy. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It makes this sound. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Gua.

Mark (59:53)

That's how they say their W's. You see baseball players after a game. They're like, gua. Wow. What can I say? It was a team effort.

Josh Firestone (60:03)

We got a Gwyn.

Steven Crowder (60:08)

The five G's. And sometimes gal. I love that.

Mark (60:14)

The video also looks like it was. It's 40 years old.

Steven Crowder (60:17)

I know, I know. No quar. Only film press conference with graphic calculator.

Mark (60:23)

It looks like an old. It looks like an old, like Mexican Saddam Hussein.

Steven Crowder (60:26)

Yes, it does.

Josh Firestone (60:27)

It does. You're right.

Steven Crowder (60:28)

The person and turned the camera upside down. And I spelled boobs. You ruined my prompter. I don't read boobs. No boobs, please.

Mark (60:42)

Wow.

Steven Crowder (60:42)

Boob less. Oh, you make it longer. Okay, those who went to school when we still had graphic calculators.

Josh Firestone (60:49)

It's fun.

Steven Crowder (60:50)

That was gold. To the rest of you, we seem very stupid.

Josh Firestone (60:54)

It's okay.

Steven Crowder (60:55)

So, America, by the way, the United States. We've launched at least seven strikes on these traffickers in the. Do you say Caribbean or Caribbean comment below? Because I still don't know which is correct. I hear both, but here's the clip. Today, the Pentagon released new video of that strike, and the Secretary of Defense says those three men were narco terrorists. Today, the Trump administration released footage of a strike that took place on October 17th. It's the seventh known US strike on alleged drug vessels since last month.

Mark (61:28)

Those are narco terrorists. That's what we call carabiners.

Josh Firestone (61:35)

How are they going to comment below on that? Stephen, you just gave them an impossible task. How are they going to delineate between Caribbean and Caribbean?

Steven Crowder (61:42)

Well, they can type it out like they do with the dictionary phonetically and say which one they do. Sorry, yeah, comment below.

Josh Firestone (61:49)

And I'm like, how?

Mark (61:52)

Yeah, it's all about how you spell it. You spell it phonetically, right?

Josh Firestone (61:55)

Oh, yeah, sure.

Steven Crowder (61:56)

No guar in the comment section, please. So this brings us to Rand Paul, who thinks that these strikes are wrong and somehow unconstitutional. Honestly, it's gotten to the point where it's very hard for me to follow this libertarian train of thought.

Rand Paul (62:11)

We have dangerous people in a lot of American cities, but we just don't go in and shoot them. I mean, we have trials. They get legal representation. And even on the high seas, it's been that way for generations. If you go off the coast of Miami, the Coast Guard will be stopping boats today. And about 25% of the boats that they stop that they're suspicious of drugs. There won't be any drugs on board. So 25% of the time, the suspicion is wrong. And that's why we don't shoot and just blow up boats off of Miami. But neither should we be blowing them up off the coast of Venezuela. Number one, there is no fentanyl made in.

Steven Crowder (62:48)

Big difference.

Rand Paul (62:49)

Not just a little bit. There's none being made in Venezuela. These are outboard boats that, in order for them to get to Miami, would have to stop and refuel 20 times. They're all likely going to Trinidad and Tobago to refuel. An island right off of the coast of Venezuela.

Steven Crowder (63:04)

Should we take them out there?

Rand Paul (63:05)

Lot of reasons to be worried about this, but number one is the Broader principle of when can you kill people indiscriminately? When you're at war. That's why when we declare war, it's supposed to be done by Congress, it's supposed to be thoughtful, it's supposed to be debated. And we're not supposed to do it willy nilly. And then when you have war, you just kill people in the war zone. And even then there are rules of engagement. But interdicting drugs has always been a criminal activity and a criminal anti crime sort of activity where we don't just summarily execute people, we actually present evidence and convict them.

Steven Crowder (63:41)

So it doesn't seem like he's actually arguing, and I've not heard anyone argue that at this point, that these boats are not trafficking, that these are just.

Josh Firestone (63:48)

Not what I've heard.

Steven Crowder (63:49)

Initially, the left has tried to say they could be fishermen. But do you think they are? They could be. But do you think they are? It's a possibility. Is he arguing that we should let them get to Trinidad and Tobago and refuel? Is it the proximity? Or does he believe that we don't carry out strategic military strikes and that we haven't done that without officially declaring war, really, since the inception of our country? I don't understand. And is he arguing that due process for foreign terrorist entities, same thing whether it's a sleeper cell for isis. I don't know how he rationalizes this. And that's where I think it's changed. I used to be more libertarian, small l. Because they really prided themselves on the Socratic method, on rationalizing your position, questioning it. I can't form a line of questioning in which Rand Paul's position makes sense. You could let me know if there's something I'm missing below. Let me give you a few reasons as to why maybe we're very far apart. Here's the first key fact. Venezuela is in fact a narco state. They traffic 200 to 250 tons of cocaine annually. That's about 13% of the global supply. Also, the Minister of Defense, Venezuela's Minister of Defense, was indicted in the United States for drug trafficking. He's still the Minister of Defense. Oh, well, so he's still there. And in 2020, the United States charged Maduro with conspiring to flood the United States with drugs and weapons. And I'm not even hearing people saying that. Well, that's not true. That's invalid. Because often the left will say, well, that's propaganda. I'm not even hearing that. I'm hearing a technicality here. That okay. But let's go with your technicality. We bring them here to American soil and treat them like American citizens. That's what we're supposed to do with drug cartels from a foreign narco terrorist state. Also, here's another key. These aren't just random boats heading to the Caribbean or Caribbean. I still don't you comment below. Stop it. People used to say, they tried to say fishing boats. These are very, very capable boats. According to the United States Coast Guard, traffickers have moved to faster vessels called go fasts or fast boats. These were, as the term suggests, propelled by high powered outbound board engines heading north from Colombia via both Caribbean and Eastern Pacific routes. They were hard to detect and harder to run down. Then you see some of these drugs, they're routed from Caribbean countries, not just here to America, but to Europe to Africa, to be clear. And they aren't just random boats. They're even using their navy's fleet of submarines to try and deal with the traffic of the drugs. I still don't get it because it's.

Mark (66:58)

Venezuela and I don't think they have. I don't think submarine fleet.

Steven Crowder (67:01)

No, I was trying to give myself some cover for the racism. Please, please, please, please.

Mark (67:07)

We don't, we don't have any boats.

Steven Crowder (67:10)

Give us. Grandpa, Grandpa. And here's the other thing. Libertarianism is largely useless in the 21st century, but if nothing else, it's always prided itself on consistency. And I really do appreciate that. That's why I can have some pretty productive conversations with libertarians. Rand Paul, who's been on the show many times, is not really one of them because he defended very similar actions from Barack Obama.

Rand Paul (67:38)

So you really don't get due process or anything like that if you're in a war zone. These people are in a war zone and probably got what was coming to them, the captors. Unfortunately, some innocent people lost their lives, the hostages. But I guess I tend to. The world is so partisan, but I tend not to want to blame the President for the loss of life here. I think he was trying to do the right thing. I don't either. Yeah, you cannot blame the President, especially when these guys swore to destroy us, right?

Steven Crowder (68:01)

Oh, shoot, I didn't realize we're running late to a man. So, hey, if you're not a Rumble Premium member, click that button. You get to continue with us as we kind of roast Rand Paul here, which kind of. It feels bad because I like him. He's been a friend of the show, but he's just so wrong. And if you don't join. Hey, you're gonna go on to Tim Pool right now. You don't need to change anything. Click a button. You just keep watching, and I guarantee you he'll be talking about. I can't guarantee you, but I would bet. So no guar. No guar. No guar. We go to Rumble Premium Sam.