Is Trump Backing Down or Doubling Down in Minnesota: Special Guest Nick Sortor

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder

Episode: Is Trump Backing Down or Doubling Down in Minnesota: Special Guest Nick Sortor

Date: January 27, 2026
Host: Steven Crowder (Co-host 2)
Co-host: (Co-host 1)
Special Guest: Nick Sortor

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Overview

This episode scrutinizes recent events in Minnesota regarding ICE operations and the Trump administration’s response to sanctuary policies in the state. With guest reporter Nick Sortor joining later in the show, the hosts dissect the political narrative, media manipulation, and confusion over law enforcement actions and leadership changes. The discussion aims to clarify if Trump is retreating or strategically regrouping, especially in light of media spin and Democratic pushback.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Media Manipulation and Selective Editing

• Crowder’s Main Theme: The episode opens with an extended critique of how media outlets can manipulate public perception by selectively editing video clips and using misleading timecodes.
• Illustrative Example: Crowder demonstrates with staged office conflict how context can flip the apparent aggressor/victim roles completely ([07:10–09:31]).
  • “You can be deceived to believe that an innocent party is guilty and a guilty party is innocent simply by the time codes...” — Crowder, [07:11]
• Media selectively omits crucial context to paint law enforcement as unjustified aggressors, particularly in recent incidents involving Alex Preddy.

2. Minnesota ICE Incident and New Footage

• Hosts discuss the now-viral footage of protests and ICE altercations in Minnesota.
• The newly released footage adds complexity, suggesting that the supposed victims were serially provoking or obstructing law enforcement, challenging the narrative presented by CNN and other outlets ([13:30–15:20]).
  • “This is someone who is there to start trouble. This is someone who is looking for conflict. This is someone who is looking to disrupt someone from doing their job.” — Crowder, [15:14]
• The conversation draws larger points about media credibility and the dangers of misleading narratives:
  • “You do not hate the media enough.” — Crowder, [18:00]
• Discussion covers injuries to ICE officers and the need for clear boundaries:
  • “To what level should we tolerate aggression? And that’s never actually called out.” — Crowder, [18:24]

3. Media Malpractice & Political Rhetoric

• Hosts criticize MSNBC and other outlets for “beautifying” leftist subjects and villainizing conservatives, referencing the treatment of Alex Preddy’s image and previous examples like Joe Rogan ([22:46–25:09]).
• Left-leaning figures, including Governor Tim Walz and other guests on cable news, are accused of irresponsibly invoking Holocaust analogies and branding ICE operations as “concentration camps” ([25:09–27:33]).
  • “Leaders making false equivalencies to her experience for political purposes is never acceptable.” — U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum (summary), [27:33]

4. Minnesota Leadership & The Narrative Battle

• Trump’s communication with Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey is discussed, focusing on the lack of clarity and whether these talks reflect a strategic pause or a backdown by the administration ([34:36–36:27]).
• The hosts break down numbers, refuting Walz’s claims about incarceration statistics and ICE detainers ([38:46–39:30]).
  • “Tim Walz knows he’s lying because Minnesota’s total incarcerated population is over 17,000.” — Crowder, [38:46]
• Democratic framing of the situation is characterized as fear-mongering, with accusations of a “federal occupation” and inflammatory language:
  • “Gestapo, these thugs, unmarked vehicles, torture dungeons, atrocities being committed against Minnesotans...” — Crowder summarizing Walz’s rhetoric, [41:55–42:00]

5. Comparison with Other States

• Contrasts are drawn between the handling of ICE in Minnesota compared with Texas and Florida. In those states, local cooperation leads to fewer confrontations and more effective enforcement ([44:33–46:45]).
• Statistical comparison highlights how much of the violence and chaos is concentrated in sanctuary cities like Minneapolis, Chicago, and LA, which refuse to cooperate with ICE.

6. Trump’s Approach: 8D Chess or Weakness?

• The hosts set the stage for Nick Sortor by laying out two theories:
  • Trump is strategically regrouping, possibly setting up Democrats to fail compliance and then re-engaging more forcefully.
  • Alternatively, Trump may be tacitly backing down, risking perceptions of weakness ([32:36–34:36]).
  • “If the perception is that this administration is weak or that they will throw their own people under the bus … you will get whole cities who refuse to play ball.” — Crowder, [52:18]

7. Interview with Nick Sortor

Starts at: [55:38]

• Sortor reveals new on-the-ground reporting:
  • Clarification on Greg Bevino’s Status: The Border Patrol commander has been relieved and reassigned to El Centro, CA, despite official statements saying otherwise ([56:45]).
    • “He was relieved of duty as commander... If you notice in the statement that DHS released...they started calling him chief again because he went back to his former role.” — Sortor, [56:45]
  • Trump’s Awareness: The decision was made without Trump’s direct knowledge; when informed, Trump was reportedly upset.
  • New Orders for Border Patrol Agents: Agents in Minnesota have been told not to arrest certain illegals previously allowed in under Biden, even if their status is flagged—raising concerns about a return to “Biden-era” hands-off policies ([59:24]).
    • “This feels like we just reverted to the Biden days.” — Sortor quoting an agent, [59:27]
  • Policy Confusion: Sortor stresses this may be temporary or isolated to Minnesota, possibly to facilitate Tom Homan’s negotiation efforts.
    • “There are definitely competing people trying to create policy out in Minnesota.” — Sortor, [60:27]
  • Local Cooperation Problems: Sortor points out that Minnesota, while claiming to hand over violent illegal aliens from state prisons, does not honor detainers from county and city jails—a significant loophole ([62:24]).
    • “If an illegal is arrested even for a violent crime … they still don't get turned over.” — Sortor, [62:39]
  • Sortor’s bottom line: The situation is in flux, and the administration’s next move—whether to double down or fold—will be crucial.

8. Calls for Clear, Forceful Action

• Crowder urges the Trump administration to avoid capitulation, warning of long-term consequences if “backing down” appears to concede ground ([47:56–49:50]).
  • "President Trump cannot back down on Minnesota. He cannot set a tone of capitulation that will then be a cancer…” — Crowder, [47:55]
• The need for strong, unwavering federal action is underscored, especially to set a precedent for other defiant cities.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Media Misinformation:
  • “You do not hate the media enough.” — Crowder, [18:00]
• On Trump’s Communications:
  • “Even the perception of weakness or the perception of backing down is not great.” — Crowder, [55:55]
• On Sanctuary State Dynamics:
  • “Is it compassionate to not enforce it? … If your child is about to do something dangerous, you tell them to stop and you count to three.” — Crowder, [47:17]
• Nick Sortor on Border Patrol:
  • “Border Patrol agents have now been given new orders … they are no longer allowed to arrest that person.” — Sortor, [59:24]
• On Political Rhetoric:
  • “Gestapo, these thugs, unmarked vehicles, torture dungeons, atrocities …” — Crowder listing Walz’s accusations, [41:55]
• Comparing Policing in Other States:
  • “The idea that you’re going to assault one of our troopers is unacceptable. And you are going to face consequences as a result of that.” — Florida clip, [45:10]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Media Manipulation Demonstration: [07:10–09:31]
• Analysis of New Minnesota ICE Footage: [13:30–17:15]
• Discussion of Governor Walz & Democratic Narratives: [38:46–43:00]
• Contrast with Texas & Florida ICE Enforcement: [44:33–46:45]
• Set-up for Nick Sortor Interview: [52:44]
• Nick Sortor Interview (Minnesota ICE, Command Confusion, DHS Policy): [55:38–end]

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Tone

The tone is highly skeptical, irreverent, and unsparing, combining humor, sarcasm, and a sense of urgency about media misrepresentation and law enforcement challenges. The hosts frequently mock mainstream media, elected officials, and activists, while urging clarity and resolve from the Trump administration.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a deep dive into recent ICE operations in Minnesota, filtered through Louder with Crowder’s distinctly combative lens. Key themes include media spin, local vs. federal jurisdiction battles, Trump’s ambiguous moves amidst political crossfire, and the need for both transparency and strong resolve. With on-the-ground insight from journalist Nick Sortor, the discussion lands on the importance of holding firm in the face of both internal confusion and external political opposition.

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Find Nick Sortor:

• X (formerly Twitter): @nicksortor

Next Steps:
The story is developing, with more information and potential policy shifts expected as events and negotiations continue in Minnesota.

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Transcript

[Co-host 1]

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[Co-host 2]

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[Co-host 2]

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[Co-host 1]

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[Co-host 2]

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[Co-host 1]

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[Nick Shorter]

Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

So, yeah, I just said we got to move on quickly. And then it was a four minute conversation about my nipples. 11:00am Eastern, we are live. All right, look, before we get to anything else, we're going to get to Minnesota. My question for you is, is it out of the deal or do you think that President Trump is backing down? I think there are sycophants out there who want to always paint things in a positive light, even when it may not necessarily be a win. And then there are people who simply want to paint everything in a negative light. We're going to try and call balls and strikes today and see what Nick Sorter has for us. He has some new exclusive info. There's some new footage out there of Alex Preddy. At least that's what CNN is saying. I don't know that it's new, but I know it's new to most of the public. So this brings me to a point. I want to tell you something. It is very, very easy to deceive you. Probably not you, if you're watching because you're aware. We try and make you aware of the tricks, but it's very easy to deceive those. The average American right now out there in public consuming media. And by the way, that's not because anyone is stupid. That includes doctors. That includes rocket scientists. That includes chemical engineers. There are tricks. There are tools of the trade that are used. And I'll just use one example to show you how clear it can be. You can be deceived to believe that an innocent party is guilty and a guilty party is innocent simply by the time codes, meaning simply by the start point of the clip and the end point of the clip. You can have an entirely inaccurate, well, just a misconception of what actually transpired. And that's what's been happening here with Renee Goode with Alex Preddy. Let me show you. Okay. Right now, I will show you a conflict that has taken place in this office. And you tell me, who's the aggressor? Who's the victim? No, don't. How's that feel? You deserve that. How's that feel? Cut it out. So that'd be comparable to the first clip that you guys may have seen where you go, this is a public execution. That seems pretty cut and dry. Yeah, right. Good guy, bad guy. Now, let me just remind it a few seconds. A part you didn't see. Does this change it? How does that feel? Hey. Ow. No, don't. How's that feel? Ow. You deserve that. How's that feel? Cut it out. Oh, well, now, that clearly seems pretty cut and dry. We thought that I was the aggressor. Turns out that Toolman was the aggressor. And it was even a callback with.

[Nick Shorter]

How does that feel?

[Co-host 2]

Where. Actually, in that case, it's completely justified. Only, hold on a second. What if I rewind it another few seconds and can you tell who the aggressor and the victim is? Does the context change something? Tim, I'm going to murder you by putting this knife in your face. Not if I stop you with this gun. How does that feel? Hey. Ow. No, don't. How's that feel? You deserve that. How's that feel? Got it. Ow. And see, even in context, none of this is real. So keep that in mind next time you pass judgment on a clip. Take that, you passive bystander. And to be clear, what you saw at the end of that, that one is in context. There was no justification.

[Co-host 1]

No, he always gets beaten.

[Co-host 2]

That one is actually cut just for fun. So comment below, does that help illustrate it? Because before you even get to the idea of AI, you'll see people go, AI or, you know, they. They. They inserted something here or they deliberately cut out an angle. All you need to mislead the public is that I can give you some examples of that. Make your voices heard peacefully and patriotically. Gotta be peaceful, right? Always have to be peaceful. Instead, they just show fight like hell. How about, I'm not talking about neo Nazis or white supremacists who should be condemned totally, but. But outside of that, you had very fine people on both sides. Does that change the context? How many times do you need to run into this? Until you start understanding the media is not fulfilling its job. They're supposed to inform you. I would argue that it's a crime against humanity when they Deliberately misinform you. And we're seeing that a lot. And that's illustrated perfectly here. Wherever you line up the Alex Preddy case, that brings us to some of the new footage. So you would have had a very strong visceral reaction based on the first clip that was circulated. And keep in mind, someone picked in points and out points, because what we've seen since includes an extension of that very clip. But here's the first thing you saw. They're just shoving a lady and he's helping her. People.

[Nick Shorter]

The is wrong with you, honestly.

[Co-host 2]

Now, take that very specific timecode and add the commentary that was being included with it. They were on the sidewalk, and these officers just chose to aggress them. The officers came to them. Remember that. And we'll go through the goalposts moving, because now we're not having a discussion as to whether ICE or whether dhs, whether they have the right to deport people. It's simply, hey, wasn't this guy a bloodthirsty murderer? That's what they do. They do it dishonestly so that you have to correct it, and you can't actually discuss the root issue at hand. So there you go. You see that? My gosh, that looks like ICE was out of line. They were clearly an aggressor at the very least, and it was an execution. Well, now let's pull back. Were they on the sidewalk where ICE was the aggressor? Does this change it? Blowing loud whistles right at the officer, to be clear. Go. Still gonna go with on the sidewalk. And this was the end point that was picked, right? Okay, cut it. People have seen the rest of it. Does that change anything? It certainly changes the narrative that you were fed, that they were on the sidewalk and this ICE agent just assaulted a woman and he was protecting her. See, because we're not actually having the conversation about ICE and their job and what's going on in Minneapolis and Minnesota. Now we have some allegedly new footage, and you've seen the screen grab from this for a long time, which makes me wonder, why wasn't this footage publicly available if it was? I'm sorry, it certainly wasn't widely circulated. CNN is covering it as new. So now we've gone from innocent people on the sidewalk who were assaulted by ice. This was a knight in shining armor protecting a lady, to, okay, well, maybe they were out there in the street. But, you know, that's just. It's confusing. That was one time. Or were they doing this potentially all day long, impeding a lawful process and putting other people at risk. Was this going on throughout the day? New footage. This is not the same altercation as what you see in the video. They're legal observers. You can't do that. Means they're telling them, stay off the road. You can be on the sidewalk. And now they cut it to the other footage. Now do you see that what CNN did? They didn't even show the full new clip. They cut out the middle section.

[Co-host 1]

We may have edited on this one. I'll give you a little context. So what CNN right now. And they're showing the full one right now. They may have edited out a little bit of it there to kind of. Kind of loop it back through. But they are spinning this as the cop should have known better. He was totally fine. And I'm like, this guy was in the street the whole time.

[Co-host 2]

And do you hear what he yells?

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

And that. Do you hear what he yells at the beginning of that clip at the officer? He yells, play it again, Tim, for Tool man, for people who don't hear this. Do not touch me. Now listen. There you go. Do you hear that? Here's what he's saying. I'm here. You are the one in traffic. That's his job. Would you tell that to a traffic cop? So what does it show you? This is someone who is there to start trouble. This is someone who is looking for conflict. This is someone who is looking to disrupt someone from doing their job. And he was doing it all day, very much like Renee Goode, who was following and blocking traffic and got warnings. These are crimes, right? These are crimes. You can have the conversation. And that's what we're having right now, as to whether the shoot was a bad shoot, people. I think it was chaotic. I think it's a bad situation. But I certainly don't think it crosses the threshold of unreasonable for someone to think that their life was in danger. But the context now, what do we have that is a through line with Renee Goode and Alex Brady? Not just that they were disrespectful, not just that they arguably committed assault against an officer, not just that they were a clear and present danger. Not just that they were committing multiple crimes, including felonies leading up to it, but that they were doing this professionally all day. They were treating it like their job to disrupt, to disturb, to impede, to, to obstruct. We still don't have a single example of someone not doing that. Meaning you don't even have an example of somebody who accidentally finds themselves in the middle of the street being accosted by ice. The only people who have been shot have been people who actively, as though it's their profession, are committing crimes throughout the day. Comment below. Does that help you understand a little bit? Just because there's going to be another one, it's going to happen again. And I want you to just think, why? Why the start point? Why the end point? Why these time codes?

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

And then be aware as more footage comes out, because I will tell you this, guarantee you the press had access to it. No doubt in my mind.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

So there's.

[Co-host 1]

There's two other things. I just saw one on cnn, but this shows that the officers. One of the big things people have said is that, oh, they overreacted by shoving them. That was an overreaction by the officers. And I was like, I don't even grant that. But this puts that to bed. I've already told them to get back on the sidewalk. I've actually arrested one of these other people over here. I've calmly put my hand on him and said, hey, you have to get out of the street. Now he's doing it again. So that kind of shows you why there was a little bit more force applied that second time. Right now, CNN is saying, sources, Preddy's rib was broken a week before he was killed when federal agents tackled him during a protest. So this guy's doing this all the time, getting in tussles with these officers all the time. So much so that he got tackled and his rib got broken, potentially.

[Co-host 2]

I want to walk through an exercise.

[Co-host 1]

That'S a week ago. We're just zooming out again.

[Co-host 2]

As long as Gerald, you don't mind just walking over to me and people seeing your flood pants. He's very tall. He should buy custom pants. Just this is what this would be. And this is actually less of a distance traveled. Let's say Gerald comes over here and says, hey, hey, Steven, I need you to stay at your desk. Okay. All right. You should go to your desk. Okay, Stay. All right. He's instructed me to stay at my desk. This is my vehicle. All right. He goes back. Okay, you can go grab a seat. Get yourself. Make yourself comfortable. Okay, now picture what I'm about to do three, four, five more times. Walking over across the street. Rape whistle. Fuck you, pig. Fuck you, Gestapo. Fuck you, ice. And that's going on all day. All day. You can argue that you don't want someone to be shot, but in no world can you argue that I am anything other than the aggressor and crossing the street to blow a whistle in the ear of ice. You do realize that members of ICE have. Have experienced injuries as well, too, right? You're aware of that. Pierced eardrums, fractures, dislocated fingers. Like, we just sort of skim over that. To what level should we tolerate aggression? And that's never actually called out. And the media lies to you nonstop. You do not hate the media enough. And that's why. Thank you so much for your support. We have our undercover unit working on some stories right now. If you are not a member, click that button. Join rumble premium. It's 99 a year. Try for $9 a month. That gives us some more Runway. The free show goes away if you guys don't sign up and you get 100% more show and everything ad free. But we make all of the references available, and we're not going to lie to you. So let's go into Minnesota before we. Before we have Nick Shorter on. Here's one. Actually, this is just kind of a. To cleanse the palate. It's pretty funny. Consider this a PSA. Remember, we used to have PSAs comment, if you remember. Don't play with blasting caps. Yeah, I don't think many of those are still around. No fireworks. You can also add to that list. Don't play with flashbangs. She grabbed the flashback. Oh, did it break her legs? Your legs work fine. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I'm laughing at the sound.

[Co-host 1]

I feel like a bad person right now.

[Co-host 2]

I don't really feel like you should be that surprised. If you grab a flashbang or any variety of grenades and find it unpleasant. I don't think you should flop around.

[Co-host 1]

Like you're playing World cup soccer, though.

[Co-host 2]

Go on without me.

[Co-host 1]

Go on without me.

[Co-host 2]

It wasn't unpleasant for, like, 20 yards that she was running.

[Nick Shorter]

Yeah, I know.

[Co-host 2]

Well, luckily, some of her brave comrades donated to make her whole again, so. Yeah, There you go. Aw, he's a tall fingers. Oh, no. To break it down. Perfect. I'm sorry. Yeah, don't be sorry. Don't be sorry. These people don't grab a flashbang. Don't be in a place where flashbangs may be used. Certainly don't behave in a way that requires their use. And if you have failed to follow instructions A and B, don't grab it. That brings us to Minnesota Mayhem. Minnesota. Minnesota. Minnesota. So I love that Stinger comment. If you. I think top five stingers of all time.

[Co-host 1]

We put that out on social. Let's do this.

[Co-host 2]

We did it in Windows Movie Maker. Now I'm going to show you some of the media melt practice. Hopefully that set it up for you. We understand. Keep in mind the time codes. But that's not enough. They have to go even further. Now for those of you confused, MSNBC is Ms. Now. I thought it was a channel for people with the condition. Turns out they thought this was a good name for a network. Yeah, well it's not, I guess that. What's multiple sclerosis? What's the other one? Multiple sclerosis, what's the other one? What's Jerry Lewis's Kids? Is that ms? Luke Gehrig's? I guess. I guess Lou Gehrig's Tonight was taken.

[Co-host 1]

It's an aside.

[Co-host 2]

So this is Ms. Now running this segment again, lying to you was 37 year old Alex Preddy, an ICU nurse who cared for veterans. Donald Trump and his cabinet. His administration are demanding once again that you not believe your eyes and ears. Well, I don't believe my eyes when I'm watching Ms. Now because the Internet picked up on something. And thank you guys for the investigative journalism. Look at what they did with that picture. Look at the side by side. See what they changed. Forgot whiter teeth. Yeah, they changed the look of him. Now I don't know that this necessarily changes a story if he's sort of sickly and feeble and unattractive to semi Chad, but it just shows that the left can't help themselves. And yes, the media and the left are one of the same. They can't help themselves when it comes to any opportunity to lie to you. Keep in mind this is not the first time that they did this. And how often? Oh, it was an oversight or oh, we were just polishing the picture. Remember Joe Rogan on cnn? Like how do all of the accidents, all the mistakes line up in the left's favorite, the narrative of the left and against the right, in that case, Joe Rogan. Hey, it's just an accident that he looks more sickly while we're saying that he's using horse paste as opposed to one of the most popular human prescriptions on earth, one of the most prescribed medications on earth. Hey, no, it just so happens, I mean the accident in this case, we didn't do it with the ice agent, we haven't done it with anyone on the right. But it just so happens that we have airbrushed and changed and put through a filter and potentially AI made the leftist look more attractive. These are accidents. Let's go through more malpractice and you wonder why Charlie Kirk was assassinated here. Was a leftist on Jake Tapper's show. He didn't want to go along with it, but he kind of did. He should have ended the segment. This guest claimed that ICE is putting people in concentration camps. And maybe eventually, I mean, you know, I'm not gonna, I'm not here to defend ice, but I, I'm not a big fan of people using the term concentration camp to just to describe detention camps.

[Nick Shorter]

That has a very specific meaning in terms of.

[Co-host 2]

I understand that, but they take people.

[Nick Shorter]

To Fort Snelling here, which literally was built as a concentration camp. And Alligator Alcatraz, which I think we can all agree is a concentration camp. Not saying they're Dachau. I'm not saying they're putting people in ovens yet, but these are concentration camps. Okay, I don't need to argue with you about that.

[Co-host 2]

Actually, you do need to argue your point. Ovens yet. Also you need to argue that you are not in fact Richard from Silicon Valley. If he grew up in a sewer. I don't know how ovens yet. Please tell me, because that is an extreme statement. Yeah. What information do you have to substantiate that there is any risk whatsoever of the Trump administration putting people in human sized ovens? Oh, you're just throwing it out there. And then you'll say that the right is irresponsible with their rhetoric. For example, using the legal term illegal alien.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah, exactly. By the way, listen, he owns a bookstore, Steven. He knows his stuff. It's called Moon Palace Books. I'm not kidding. It was on the shirt there. They get nothing but the best when he.

[Co-host 2]

Moon Palace Books. So a dead medium with a gay name. Yes, got it.

[Co-host 1]

Pretty much put him on cnn.

[Co-host 2]

He's ready. I guess Barnes and Pocom was taken. I will say there's been some bad press obviously and ice, they still have to play the optics game. So with what they've been dealing with lately, they have contemplated a rebranding for a fresh start. And I will say, you know, it's maybe a miss.

[Co-host 1]

I like it actually.

[Co-host 2]

Now more irresponsible misinformation. This happened Sunday. I don't think we ran it because yesterday, you know, a lot of people weren't in Tim Walls, he too used or invoked holocaust type imagery hysteria during a press conference. A governor. We have got children in Minnesota hiding in their houses, afraid to go outside. Many of us grew up reading that story of Anne Frank.

[Co-host 1]

It's also 8 degrees.

[Co-host 2]

Somebody's going to write that children's story about Minnesota. And there's one person who can end this now.

[Co-host 1]

Tim walls.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah, the U.S. holocaust Memorial Museum responded with. I mean, I can summarize. Don't do that.

[Co-host 1]

That's basically it.

[Co-host 2]

Yes, but they said, you know, Anne Frank was targeted and murdered solely because she was Jewish. Leaders making false equivalencies to her experience for political purposes is never acceptable, blah, blah, blah. But basically. Hey, don't do that, you prick. Please stop doing that. So what do we have here? Before we even get to the discussion that that matters as to the legitimate purview of government, when the left will say, like, hey, we used to be able to have, you know, disagreements, Things are so polarized. Well, sure, because we used to have disagreements over, for example, marginal tax rates or the rate at which we spend to build up our defense, or maybe the most effective way to deport illegal aliens. And what we do with perhaps the children who, through no fault of their own, find themselves in a sticky situation. The reason we can't have disagreements like the good old days is because you invoke the Holocaust and because you deliberately mislead the public with selective editing, and you do it multiple times, and you accuse hardworking Americans who are trying to do their job of being Gestapo. Well, we can't have a discussion on immigration. Let me put a finer point on it. We can't have a discussion as to where the line is or what's appropriate when you won't let us go into your prisons to deport illegal aliens currently in your custody who have committed additional violent crimes. I'm not gonna try and find common ground with these people. I think Nick DePaolo actually summarized it perfectly. The Democrat Party. I don't even know that they're a legitimate party at this point. It could be argued, certainly when they are refusing to allow federal law to be enforced, that they have become an enemy of the state and they should be brought up on charges. This has been Minnesota Mayhem. Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota. And Nick Shorter will be on the show in just about 15 minutes or so to the button. No, it's still there. It's holding true. Oh, there you go. But before that, look who is the hottest first lady of all time. It's not a trick question. The answer is Melania Trump. It's not even close. You could maybe make a case for Betty Ford. One point, Jackie. Yeah, I don't know. Van Buren. When I look at old sepia pictures of Van Buren, I just find myself getting very comfortable.

[Co-host 1]

Very strange.

[Co-host 2]

No, it is Absolutely. Melania Trump. Which brings us to, of course, we don't actually take Super Chats. You can either subscribe or not, but we do give them away. Time for Reverse Super Chat. So the folks at Amazon, MGM Studio, they are giving away right now 50 free rumble premium subscriptions. They were just gifted in the chat because they actually, right now, they have a new film out that takes you inside the 20 days leading up to the 2025 presidential inauguration with Melania Trump. And I will tell you this. I. I'm a fan of President Trump. I think he's a great president. I'd rather watch Melania on my screen. So, respectfully, it is in theaters January 30th. You can vote with your dollar. Go show some support. If you were just gifted a subscription. Hey, take a screenshot. Tag me on X. Or Instagram. The film Melania, like Cher, just one name. Go see it. And of course, the answer is most attractive. First lady of all time is Melania Trump. There isn't even a distant second. Stop it. Reverse Super Chat done. I mean, this is not one, right, where we have to have a, like, oh, let's have a discussion. There's no discussion.

[Nick Shorter]

No, it's just.

[Co-host 2]

There's one who was paid for being hot. Oh, yeah, that's it. That's fair.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah. And when you say Melania, you don't.

[Nick Shorter]

Have to say anything.

[Co-host 1]

You know exactly who we're talking.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah. When you say Melania, people. Oh, I know. She's beautiful, but very classy as well. Yes, she is, like, very classy. And you know what's funny is people be like, yeah, the only first lady.

[Nick Shorter]

Who I've seen nude.

[Co-host 2]

Have you looked at, like, her. Her, you know, risque photos? That's less than Instagram now. Really? Yeah. I mean, the truth is, too, nude paintings, nude pictures, it isn't necessarily pornographic. That's something. The human form is beautiful. I mean, Christians were painting naked people for a very long time. I'm not saying that you should go out and do it, but what I'm saying is you go on Instagram, it's way worse than a professional model who is being paid for gifts that God gave them. Let's be honest. If someone pays you to be a model, they're going, I am paying you for God's gift. You've done nothing to earn this. It's just I'm basically paying God. It's a tithe. It really. I don't think so.

[Co-host 1]

It's not quite how it works.

[Co-host 2]

But anyway, pretty much, I'll Say it is so. Melania. Melania. Melania. I've just met a girl named Melania. Yeah, you're doing. Is it? Yeah, Maria. But I changed it to Melania. It is now. That's what I do is I change it.

[Co-host 1]

Just make it your own.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah. Make it relevant. Okay. Yeah. I put my own little spin on it.

[Co-host 1]

I like it.

[Co-host 2]

All right, this next installment here again, I'll refresh the question. Do you think that President Trump is pulling back? Are you disappointed? Do you think it's 8D chess? What do you think is happening right now? I'm going to recap it and give you my opinion. Then we'll have Nick Shorter on. Because there has been quite a bit of confusion over the last 24 hours. You are going to see two camps on what's going on in Minnesota. You will see. And there are these people, the sycophants, who will say that President Trump can do no wrong. This is another art of the deal, period. And most of the time, you can see that at work. For example, when you look at NATO, I don't necessarily know that that is what is happening right now. And if it is, the communication certainly has not been anywhere near as effective or as clear as it has been in past negotiations. So that's one group. The next group is going to be the Taco group. Taco Trump chickened out. See, look, he folded. Which one is correct? We don't really know yet. That's the simple answer. But I will say this. We have millions of people who watch every single day. And so what I've chosen to do is talk as though people in the administration are listening, because I know quite a few are. And we are going to present what we would like to see done. So is it backing down or is it part of the strategy? Yesterday, President Trump posted a couple of truths. One regarding Tim Walz. Governor Tim Walz called me with the request to work together with respect to Minnesota. It was a very good call, and we actually seemed to be on the same wavelength. I told Governor Walls that I would have Tom Homan call him and that we are looking for. What we are looking for, sorry, are Eddie and all criminals that they have in their possession. The governor very respectfully understood that. I don't think that he did understand that because he's rejected that repeatedly. And then he ended with he was happy that Tom Homan was going to Minnesota and so am I. And as we hear it, they have some outdoorsy time planned. So that should be. Well, hey, then a truth regarding Jacob Fry. If I say Frey, just know it's just very hard for me to read his name and not say Frey. So regarding Jacob Fry. Fry just had a very good telephone conversation with Mayor Jacob Fry. I have to give you his title, otherwise you wouldn't know him. Mayor Jacob Fry of Minneapolis, lots of progress is being made. Tom Holman will be meeting with him tomorrow in order to continue the discussion. And we hear that they too, have some outdoorsy time planned. So. Okay. And then, of course, we'll get to them claiming victory. By the way, tune in 11am Eastern. If you're watching. I know you may be watching a clip. We do this live 11am Eastern. You know how broadcast used to be done. Yeah.

[Co-host 1]

Come hang out with us.

[Co-host 2]

The next piece of information that trickled out yesterday and we'll have Nick Shorter on to hopefully clarify was that Border Patrol Chief Greg Bevino had been ousted. So this came from the Atlantic. Gregory Bevino has been removed from his role as Border Patrol commander at large and will return to his former job in El Centro, California, where he is expected to retire soon. According to a DHS official and two people with knowledge of the change. Communication hasn't been that great because then Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt gave kind of a lukewarm pushback, saying, well, no, no, he's not really being relieved. But we still don't know what that actually is. I had a question with Homan now going to Minnesota, is Gregory Bovino also going to remain in Minnesota overseeing these ice operations?

[Co-host 1]

Mr. Bovino is a wonderful man and he's a great professional.

[Co-host 2]

He is going to very much continue.

[Co-host 1]

To lead Customs and Border Patrol throughout.

[Co-host 2]

And across the country. Mr. Homan will be the main point of contact on the ground in Minneapolis. Button to follow up, given the what we've heard from several Trump administration officials. People like Stephen Miller has people point out calling him a domestic terrorist. But you know, saying that Freddie was out to massacre law enforcement. Why not require ICE agents to wear body cameras to clear up some of the disputes that we are hearing from witnesses and video footage versus what the administration has been saying. So not super clear. Here's what seems to be actually, and Nick Shorter is going to hopefully clarify that because he was the one who broke the story initially, as I understand it yesterday. What's happening, though, now in Minnesota? Well, you have the Democrats spinning this as a victory. That's not a good thing. Now here's the thing. I am a big fan of Tom Holman. He's been on the show. He's a friend of the show. There's no world in which someone says, send in Holman, and I'm upset. I also understand that you cannot let the left smell blood in the water, where if they can spin it into a victory and they can make it seem like you're scared, well, then we end up with billions of dollars in damages and thousands of casualties in the Summer of Love and ICE agents being assaulted. So there's nothing wrong with Tom Holman. I think Tom Holman is probably best in any of these scenarios. That's why he has that job. But the Democrats spinning this. This is Walls. Less than two hours after the truth where he actually. And can you guys bring. I believe this is from. Is this from Walls or is this from the Wall Street Journal? Someone can let me know. It says federal officers are lying. My state's corrections department honors all immigration detainers. So here's the article. And this is how he wrote it. I know this may seem confusing, but he writes a claim. Truth. The way we lay kind of layout the show. Wall Street Journal. Yeah, he wrote the claim. The Trump Admit claims that 1369 US citizens are in Minnesota prisons. The truth. Our total state prison population is roughly 8,000. Only 207 of them are non citizens. Well, okay, I need to clarify some numbers, but here's the first one that I can very easily clarify and check the references link in the description. Here's the truth. Tim Walls knows he's lying. He knows that he's lying because Minnesota's total incarcerated population is over 17,000. About 17,500.

[Co-host 1]

No crap.

[Co-host 2]

So when he says our total state prison population is roughly 8,000. No, the number of incarcerated is 17,500. And then that brings us to DHS's actual wording. They didn't say prison pop. They said, we are calling on Governor Walz and Mayor Fry to honor the more than 1360 detainers of the illegal aliens in Minnesota jails. So detainers means prisons and jails and other people being held in custody. Tim Wallace took that and said, well, you know, I know they're lying because our state prison population. Hold on. Not just state prison. Are there any other prisons? Are there any other jails? He knows that he's lying and he knows that he's misleading you. This is what we see going on repeatedly. He also wrote this in the article. I have repeatedly appealed to President Trump to lower the temperature, but he refuses. I fear that his hope is for the tension between ICE agents and the communities they're ransacking to boil over, you know, and he wants you to see more chaos on your TV screens. Protests turn into riots, more people get hurt. Yeah, because that would be so out of character for the people of Minneapolis. Does this, by the way, sound like turning down the temperature? Donald Trump's modern day scapo is scooping folks up off the streets. This federal occupation of Minnesota long ago stopped being a matter of immigration enforcement. Stop campaign of federal occupation against the people of our state. They're in unmarked vans wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons. The war that's being waged against Minnesota, you're seeing it. We have a ridiculous surge of apparently 2000 people not coordinating with us that are for a show of the cameras. Help us create a database of the atrocities against Minnesotans, not just to establish a record for posterity, but to bank evidence for future prosecution. I don't think any governor in history has had to fight a war against the federal government. No chance to mount a defense, not even a chance to kiss a loved one goodbye. Just grabbed up by mass agents, shoved into those vans and disappeared. Quit referring to these people as law enforcement. They are not law enforcement. We have law enforcement who do an incredible job. So let me just go through that. Gestapo, these thugs, unmarked vehicles, torture dungeons, atrocities being committed against Minnesotans. Minnesota is at war with the federal government and these people are not law enforcement. You tell me if let's just assume that people believe that. How do you tone down temperatures? Let's just assume that people believe non law enforcement in unmarked vehicles acting as Gestapo who are at war with Minnesota are taking people to torture dungeons. If I believed that was taking place, I would be waging a civil war. I don't know how they can act as though their own constituents would do any different. Let's go to Jacob Fry. He spun this as a victory. He posted this on X. He wrote. I spoke with President Trump today and appreciated the conversation. I expressed how much Minneapolis has benefited from our immigrant communities and was clear that my main ask is that Operation Metro surge needs to end. The President agreed the present situation can't continue. Some federal agents will begin leaving the area tomorrow and I will continue pushing for the rest involved in this operation to go. So you combine all of that and you go, oh, okay. So the victory of Fry and Tim Walls against Gestapo in unmarked vehicles committing atrocities against Minnesotans who are waging war against the people of Minnesota, definitely not law enforcement whisking them away to torture dungeons. And so you've been beating them off, you've been winning. Well, what do you think happens? Well, of course you embolden the rioters. But Minnesota is as Minnesota do. Microvino. You got fired, you bitches. Oh, that's an emboldened one. Women, no fear of consequences. So what's happen? If you continue to obstruct, resist or interfere with the police officers, you will be in violation of the Minnesota State Statute 609.50 obstructing a legal process.

[Co-host 1]

Just take him to jail.

[Co-host 2]

I'm getting in my car. I'm getting in my car.

[Nick Shorter]

Your dick is as small as his.

[Co-host 2]

Oh my gosh, it's so lazy. And you have a small penis. You know what? You know what would absolutely destroy that woman's self esteem? Just grab the love handle. Go. No it's empic yet. Huh? Tiny dick. Sure. Let me guess. Single.

[Co-host 1]

Your cat's gonna eat you when you die.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah, immediately. By the way, cats don't even wait and check all the references. Here's the thing. Facts, they don't exist in a vacuum. Context matters. Who would be at fault? Right. If this was happening everywhere, you'd go, okay, well obviously it's a. It's the federal authorities, but it's not. It's not. It's happening in places like Minnesota. It's not happening in places like Texas or Florida. So give you an idea. In Minnesota there's about 100 230,000 illegal aliens. In Texas there's 2 million. Florida, there's 1 to around 1.6 million. Then you look at the deportations. Minnesota, there's only been 10,000. In Texas, there's been approximately 60,000. Florida, there's been about 23,000. A lot of self deportations, obviously, which aren't necessarily border broken down by state. What does that mean as far as Minnesota's performance? Well, we can look at the total number of ICE incidents. Nine counties accounted for two thirds of all violent incidents involving ICE. Office.

[Co-host 1]

Interesting.

[Co-host 2]

Chicago, LA and Minneapolis. And they're all anywhere between 20 to 30 incidents. And Minneapolis obviously substantially smaller than those places. And here's the thing.

[Co-host 1]

And none of those places cooperate with ice. Right?

[Co-host 2]

Right.

[Co-host 1]

Oh, maybe there's a through line here.

[Co-host 2]

Right. So we can now look at the common denominator. Right, we go, okay, well, federal authorities. Well, there aren't incidents everywhere. And they're doing this wherever it is appropriate. And it seems as though it's happening pretty peacefully except for a few key. Oh, that's right. We're talking about sanctuary cities, we're talking about governors, we're talking about mayors who are Stoking the flames. And I'll bring you to what the end result is. But just for some visual aids here, compare Minneapolis to how Florida deals with it. They nip it in the bud right away. This is not Minneapolis. That is not going to end well for you in Florida. But the idea that you're going to assault one of our troopers is unacceptable. And you are going to face consequences as a result of that. I am not afraid. I am not afraid. I will say.

[Nick Shorter]

Why are you being arrested?

[Co-host 2]

Keep singing. Arrested for peacefully protesting the horrible treatment for blocking a roadway by ICE agents. It's called obstruction. Sirens and the angry chains of protesters as a person was handcuffed on the ground outside of an ICE office in Orlando. Another angle shows the same moment dozens of state troopers surrounded the protester and blocked the street. Oh, nice. They could have given it a little more pop, but I'm okay with it.

[Co-host 1]

We'll let it go.

[Co-host 2]

So they nip it in the bud, right? Hey, I'm going to take Tim all to this work. Let's cool down temperatures. Yeah. All right, good. Maybe if you do what Florida does, maybe if you do what Texas does, you could avoid the over $500 million in damages that the George Floyd riots alone inflicted upon your municipality. Or the COVID fraud, 650 million statewide, or the Somali fraud, 9 billion statewide. That's a significant chunk of change. So, see? Not to mention the thousands of casualties, injuries, businesses that will never come back. It is not compassionate to let people behave like children. If your child is about to do something dangerous, you tell them to stop and you count to three. Is it compassionate to not enforce it? They hurt themselves now. What if they're hurting other people's kids? President Trump cannot back down on Minnesota. He cannot set a tone of capitulation that will then be a cancer that infects the rest of the country. We have seen what that looks like. We have had to deal with the ramifications. That is exactly what Minnesota, what Minneapolis wants. No.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

We have to condemn that. We have to make sure that people know it not only will not be rewarded, it will be punished. And it is going to hurt. So I don't know exactly what is going on right now. The communication is not very good from this administration. They could do better. You guys need to hold strong, follow through, so that people see the end results. Because people have seen the end results with Minneapolis, George Floyd Somali daycare. They have seen it. They don't like it. It's tough right now. I get it. The road is A little bit rough. Stay the course so that people can see the yield. Otherwise, it's all for nothing. Yeah.

[Co-host 1]

And it wouldn't be nearly as rough if police just cooperated and helped out. Right. And we have Nick coming on in just a few minutes here. I'll let you know when he's on. But if anything, right now, I think it's Maple Grove.

[Co-host 2]

Right.

[Co-host 1]

The footage that we're seeing of the police finally showing up and doing something about some of the rioters and protesters and arresting some people, and you see officers rushing, and you're like, where was this? Yeah, where was this from the very beginning? Do you remember the other night? The home, two suites, There was one guy bleeding, standing in the doorway.

[Co-host 2]

Yeah.

[Co-host 1]

A part of the story that I read, and I have to confirm this, is that he ran up there to provide assistance. He was defending the staff, him and his buddy. And it was just those two guys. Then it was down to one. And I think his buddy came back, and they're just like, where. Where are the local police officers to help us out here? We're just trying to protect people in this building.

[Nick Shorter]

Yeah.

[Co-host 1]

And finally they did. And so a lot of us on X were just like, finally, you sent in the police. Man. If you had done this from the very beginning, do you think some people might still be alive? Do you think if maybe you had encouraged your citizens instead of to go out and break the law and stand in the road and harass ICE officers and get in the way and physically accost them, maybe some people would be alive and officers wouldn't have had to defend their lives in these situations.

[Co-host 2]

Right.

[Co-host 1]

How do they take no responsibility for that?

[Co-host 2]

I know.

[Co-host 1]

How do they not go, you know what? The police are here for a reason. We got some criminals over here, and we know they don't belong in this country. We're just gonna let them go?

[Co-host 2]

Let me ask you this, too. Yeah, it's a very good point. And they keep invoking January 6th. They go, Ah, the worst day. Objectively, have you seen more assaults committed in Minneapolis over the last week than all of January 6th? Not even including the Summer of Love riots. Right. Objectively, you've seen far more, haven't you? You've seen far more acts of violence, and you've certainly seen far more acts of violence committed against fellow American citizens. For example, staff at the hotel. Let's just stop. They want you to. Their goal is to twist you into pretzels. And really to make you sort of make it so that's of your own Doing. Don't go. No, no, no. We have the right to enforce the law. You guys are refusing to enforce the law. You're actually trying to stop us from enforcing the law. We are going to enforce the law. You don't have the right to do that. And I think the message needs to be so clear and so forceful that if you don't let us enforce the law, we're going to arrest you, because that, too is the law. You cannot back up on this. And I would be championing this from the rooftops if I was in this administration. Find me one example, one example of people making their voices heard peacefully, not obstructing a roadway, traffic, ICE from doing their job, being physically accosted and abused. It's not a thing.

[Co-host 1]

No, it's not. And you're 100% right. I think we have Nick in two minutes. He'll be on. So, really quickly, one of the reasons you can't back down is this statement that we just saw from, I believe, the city of Buffalo on whether they're going to cooperate with ISO. It says, this is the caption from Breaking911 on X. Mayor of Buffalo, New York, Sean Ryan has signed an executive order restricting ICE operations and limiting local cooperation. There we go. Cities around the country doing the exact opposite of what you do. If you want to protect your citizens, make people safe, and make sure you get rid of illegal criminals that are in your possession some way, somehow, that's the exact opposite of what you do. So I really hope the Trump administration is taking notes. Listen, this is painful. Don't absorb all of the hits and then give them exactly what they want because you've already taken the hits and the damage, follow through, be done with it.

[Co-host 2]

If I was an advisor to Trump right now, I would say, look, okay, I get it. At this point, if people say, Taco, if you feel like the optics maybe look as though you've chickened out, now, really, really drill down on, okay, we're giving them an opportunity to hand over all of the incarcerated, all of the detained criminals. And then the second they don't, you go, we're going back in and do so more aggressively. Say, well, this is why, because we acted in good faith, they said they would hand over the criminals. That's what this was about. They wouldn't let us. Gives you an opportunity to educate the public. They wouldn't let us, actually, they wouldn't give us the criminals in their custody. So we were under the impression that they were going to. They still refused to. And now we're back to square one. There you go. There's your chance. And you get to, you get to waltz in with that messaging.

[Co-host 1]

Yeah.

[Co-host 2]

So the American public, well, why, I thought they were leaving. Why are they back in. Oh, oh, wait. Active criminals who are detained, they haven't been handed over. There is an opportunity here. Yeah, but you are, you're going to see a whole lot more of that. If the perception is that this administration is weak or that they will throw their own people under the bus. It doesn't even have to be real. If the perception is that you will get whole cities who refuse to play ball. When it's time to scale your business, it's time for Shopify. Get everything you need to grow the way you want, like all the way. Stack more sales with the best converting checkout on the planet. Track your cha chings from every channel right in one spot. And turn real time reporting into big time opportunities. Take your business to a whole new level. Switch to Shopify. Start your free trial today. And I know that Nick Shorter is coming on. So let me set this up with a clip. If you're on X, you, you know Nick Shorter, he does work on the ground. Right in the thick of it, right? Boots on the ground. Action reporting. He's been an incredibly prominent voice with Minnesota and you guys. Sometimes it's easy to sort of see someone on social media and not think of what they may have to go through. It doesn't come without risks. He risks his actual person every time he goes out there. And this video I think drives that home. Get out of the way. Get out of the way. Jeez. And the thing with clips like that is what you don't see is just how easily it could have gone the other way. How easily someone forgets to lock their windows or lock their door. Someone gets in. Nick Sorter's not alive anymore. Wouldn't be the first time that happened or maimed for us to live with a permanent injury. We saw that with a summer of love. Thousands of casualties, including dozens of of deaths. So I believe that we do have him here on the line. He just stepped away from his chair. All right, he will be here momentarily. Well, then I am going to introduce him anyway and act as though he is at his chair. Independent journalist. He's Nick Shorter on X. And as I understand it, he has some new information for us. Let's welcome a chair or the person, Nick Shorter. Oh, okay. There he is. Okay. I'm glad it wasn't just a chair. Very, very nice. How are You. Nick, I'm sorry.

[Nick Shorter]

It's been a busy morning, man. There's a lot going on, especially in Minneapolis. It's not all good, unfortunately, but, you know, we're still gonna fight for mass deportations. It's not a lost cause. I'm just not liking the way it's looking right now. How about that?

[Co-host 2]

No, I think you're absolutely right. Even the perception of weakness or the perception of backing down is. Is not great. And as I understand it, you were the one who, by the way, people can follow you. Of course. Nick Shorter on X. Is there another place where you want to direct people to support you?

[Nick Shorter]

X is typically the place because every other platform will just ban me. I do have an Instagram. Just. I don't use it very much because it's like, you know, why bother if every time you post something that's remotely edgy, it gets Community striked or whatever it is? So X is really the main platform.

[Co-host 2]

No, don't sell your Instagram short. You look fantastic in yoga pants. Now, yesterday, as I understand it, you were the one to break this, that Greg Bevino was. I don't want to. I don't want to misrepresent because there's quite a bit of confusion. Fired, reassigned, different post. Can you. Can you clarify that for us, where it stands now?

[Nick Shorter]

Yeah. So originally, what was going on is he was relieved of duty as commander, Op at large, so he's no longer the Border Patrol commander. If you notice in the statement that DHS released, you know, trying to rebut my story, they called him chief instead of commander because the story was true. He was actually taken out of the command structure, and they started calling him chief again because he went back to his former role as chief of El Centro sector, which is just one section of the US Mexico border.

[Co-host 2]

Right.

[Nick Shorter]

And President Trump was not originally aware of this because it was a decision made by Rodney Scott, the Customs and Border Protection Commissioner. And. And then once President Trump found out about it, he was. He was obviously, he was a little bit upset. So.

[Co-host 2]

Okay, so it wasn't coming from him, Is it. So is that the reason that the messaging was so incoherent? And does that seem to be a trend in your experience with those on the inside in this administration?

[Nick Shorter]

Well, I mean, you kind of have to look at it from a standpoint of you have all of these millions of. Of employees of the US Federal government that President Trump is. Is managing. So of course there are going to be middle managers as well. That's what I'm going to call the CBP commissioner. Sure. That Kristi Noem doesn't actually even have like, he's technically within dhs, but he doesn't answer to Kristi Noem either, which is odd. Like she can't go and fire him if she wanted to do so. And it seems like Rodney Scott's approach to deportations is very different than what I, you and tens of millions of other people voted for. We want mass deportations. When somebody says worst of the worst, the problem with that is you're now essentially just granting amnesty to illegals that you, that they erroneously call non criminal. Because if you're here illegally, you've committed a crime, you are a criminal.

[Co-host 2]

Right.

[Nick Shorter]

And that was one of the stories that I've unfortunately been hearing this morning, is that Border Patrol agents have now been given new orders not to, for example, if they were to run a license plate. And it comes back as that person is an illegal that Border Patrol was forced to let into the country under Joe Biden, they are no longer allowed to arrest that person.

[Co-host 2]

And is this the first I know.

[Nick Shorter]

For a fact that's illegal?

[Co-host 2]

Is this new information that you're just, you're just bringing to light right now that these new orders. Okay, and I don't want you to reveal your sources, but you have someone who you trust on this. You believe this is a matter of official actual approach and policy.

[Nick Shorter]

Now this, this actually came from two Border Patrol agents, two separate Border Patrol agents on the ground in Minnesota. They're very, very frustrated. Obviously they feel like one of them actually said that this feels like we just reverted to the, the, the Biden days. And I don't want to sound too alarmist on this just yet. I want to see. I've gone to the command structure. Like I've now inquired about this with DHS and there seems to be a little bit of confusion, I guess I'll say, and I hate to put it that way, but it is what it is. There are definitely competing people trying to create policy out in Minnesota.

[Co-host 2]

Can I ask you a couple of follow ups just for clarity, really for my sake and people watching right now. Do you know if this approach is exclusive to Minnesota or it's being applied nationwide?

[Nick Shorter]

So I don't have any reason to believe necessarily that this is being done nationwide. This seems to be just something that's going on in Minnesota at the moment and it could be a short term play. There might be something else to this that there's. Obviously policies can change day by day. Right. So I Want to stress that this could be very temporary, and this doesn't mean that we have surrendered.

[Co-host 2]

Right. Well, I mean, I was saying earlier, and I know there was an empty chair, so you probably didn't hear me. What I was saying is there's still an opportunity here for the Trump administration to appear as though they've pulled back and then immediately go back in even more aggressively and say, well, we were under. We did this under the guys we thought was good faith that we would be handed over everyone who was a violent offender currently detained or in custody. So we decided to put a pause on everything else since they said that was their gripe, they didn't do it. And so now we're coming for everybody. Maybe that's the approach, maybe that's the plan, because I would be willing to bet that they will not be handing over all of the violent felons currently.

[Nick Shorter]

Not. Yeah, no. So what they do is. You saw Tim Waltz say yesterday. I believe he came all the days run together at this point, man. But Tim Waltz came out and said that, no, we do hand over violent illegals from our state prisons after they serve a sentence.

[Co-host 2]

Right.

[Nick Shorter]

Even California does that. That's not a. That's not something big and bold of them and noble. What they don't do is because they hardly imprison anybody besides Derek Chauvin in Minnesota.

[Co-host 2]

Right.

[Nick Shorter]

There aren't a lot of them that are serving sentences in state prison. So when it comes from jails and such, all of the county jails, the city jails and such, they still don't honor those ICE detainers. So if an illegal is arrested even for a violent crime, and then they no cash bail out and they have an ICE detainer put on them, they still don't get turned over. So I'm hoping Trump is working that deal out. I don't know the specifics of that, but I'm hoping that this is the best case scenario that I'm thinking about right now is that maybe just today they're being a little softer out there so that Homan can get on the ground and hopefully negotiate some sort of deal out there. And so not. Not all hope is lost. I'm not here to black pill everybody. I'm just telling you what's going on.

[Co-host 2]

No, I agree with you. That's why I said you'll have sycophants who say this is 9D chess, and then you'll have people saying this is all lost. The truth is, we don't really know yet. And so my approach today has been to speak as though those in the administration are watching, because we know many do, and to use our platform and influence to like, look, this is what should be done. I understand it. If it's a play to say, okay, hand over all these criminals and the second they don't, well, then it should be hellfire. That's what it should be. And I believe that we should deport everyone who's here illegally. I just think an arguing point, just like, well, look, we're not talking about dreamers. We're talking about violent criminals, not just those who cross and they won't even give us them. So now we have to be coming for all of it. Let me ask you something. Oh, you know what? If you can say we actually have to go to Rumble Premium here, I didn't realize that we went beyond time and I wanted to ask you a couple of other questions about investigative journalism because I used to do that before people recognized me and then tried to kill me. But best place for people to find.

[Nick Shorter]

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[Co-host 2]

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