Islam Is Violent & It's All America's Fault: Feat. Special Guest Ben Bankas

Summary

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Episode Overview

Main theme:
Steven Crowder and his team dissect the claim that Islam is inherently violent versus the counterargument that U.S./Western actions provoke Islamic violence—ultimately arguing that Islamic violence is intrinsic and historically predates American influence. The show also features Canadian comedian Ben Bankas, who discusses comedy, free speech, and cancel culture from a Canadian perspective, with particular focus on telling “unacceptable” jokes about Islam and social taboos.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Framing the Debate: Islam & Western Responsibility

• From the outset, Crowder lays out his mission for the episode: to challenge those who say “Islam is fine, it’s not a threat, and only reacts violently because we provoke it” ([00:01]).

  • Crowder:
    “Many people… argue that Islam is largely peaceful and that we are responsible for instigating… violence, conquest, or encroachment. That’s not a valid opinion… I’ll go through the history, the founder of the feast, Muhammad, and real world data in all situations...” ([00:01])

• Crowder insists opinions must be based in fact, not emotion (“not all opinions are just as legitimate as far as their basis in fact”).

• He previews a history lesson, founder analysis (Muhammad vs. Jesus), and real-world data.

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2. Media Bias, Crime & Race in the U.S.

• Discussion on how the media presents crime stats in cities like Dallas ([09:50]).

  • Crimes are described by victim demographics (majority black/Hispanic victims), but data on perpetrators’ demographics is omitted.
  • Crowder expresses this is misleading and purposely withholds relevant information.
  • Crowder ([12:16]):
    “You have age. You have sex. You have all of this information... nothing on the perpetrator. Hmm. Doesn't that matter?"

• Introduces the topic of institutions and declining trust due to “deliberately hiding” inconvenient facts.

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3. History of Islamic Conquest

• Crowder’s thesis: Islam has been violent since its origin, expanding by force every century before the U.S. even existed ([20:34]).

  • References: Muhammad’s military campaigns, the conquest of the Levant, the fall of Constantinople ([20:34]), the Barbary Wars as America’s first conflict post-independence.
  • “Islam has been entirely spread through violence and conquest... predating the United States.”

• Contrasts this with Christianity, claiming it spread through conversion and martyrdom (“Christianity spread exclusively through proselytizing, missions, works and cultural conversion. Islam... exclusively spread through conquest, through violence.”)

• Draws heavily on scriptural citations (Quran 9:29, Bukhari 5134) to explain Islamic mandates.

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4. Real-World Data on Islamic Violence

• Crowder: “88% of deaths related to terrorism, terror deaths, are directly attributable to Islam. 97% of terror attacks occur outside of the Western world.” ([approx. 25:00])
• Cites a figure: “198 million Muslims worldwide... support the use of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam.”
• Makes the point that even if U.S. foreign policy ended, the violence would not (“Do the 97%... of those dying at the hands of Islam today... Now do the 97%?”)
• Argues it’s a “verifiable fallacy” to say Islamic violence is a response to “what we’ve done.”

Crowder ([24:30]):
“Don’t say that the only reason any Muslims or any of these countries, these caliphates are violent toward the west is because of something we’ve done... It’s silly. And the people espousing this are hoping that you are dumb.”

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5. Women in Islam & Misconceptions

• Responds critically to claims on shows like “Financial Audit” that Islam is “feminist” and “protective of women” ([27:50]).

  • Crowder details practices such as child marriage, sex slavery, domestic violence, and polygamy, attributing these to Islamic doctrine.
  • Cites hadith regarding Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha, and Quran 4:34 (men can strike their wives).
  • Discusses prevalence of cousin marriage, arranged marriage, and the subjugation of women in many Islamic societies.

• Crowder ([29:20]):
  “Islam subjugates and abuses women by mandate... It was actually a mandate policy and prescription from Muhammad during war to do that. Spoils of war for the troops.”

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6. “Islam & Christianity Are Friends” – Debunked

• Responds to online takes (e.g. streamer Sneako) urging Christians and Muslims to unite over “shared similarities” ([33:25]).

  • Crowder: In doctrine and history, Islam often regards Jews and Christians as to be subjugated or warred against, not befriended.

• “Islam is okay with Christians so long as they can violently conquer all of the lands that you culturally converted... As long as you don’t mess with their Violent, conquering. They can be buds.” ([33:25-35:00])

• Draws the distinction between the Abrahamic religions by comparing Halloween movie sequels:

  • Crowder ([35:00]):
    “Judaism is Halloween 1... Christianity is Halloween 2... Islam, they say they’re an Abrahamic religion, but it’s like Halloween 3, where you just go, Halloween 1, okay?... Halloween 3, what? Masks is a form of mind control. And there’s no Michael Myers. The hell is going on?”

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7. The Case Against Islamic Civilization’s Contributions

• Crowder and crew suggest there is nothing in Islam “to be jealous of”—no positive contributions, emphasizing its legacy as one of “slavery, war, and abuse.”
  • Claims “Christians freed more slaves than any other religion ever. Islam continues to enslave people.”
  • Islamic nations allegedly protect pedophiles and subjugate women, whereas Christian nations prosecute.
  • Sarcastic aside on eating with hands, not using toilet paper, and women not being allowed to drive.

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8. The Problem with “It’s All America’s Fault”

• Argues that the belief “if we left the Islamic world alone, they’d be peaceful” ignores history and leads to a dangerously naive foreign policy.
  • Crowder ([46:50]):
    “You wouldn’t be able to recognize reality from your placement in the geopolitical spectrum. It’s nonsensical. You have centuries—by that, I mean every century since its inception. History. The reason for that history being remarkably consistent...”

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9. Interview with Ben Bankas – Free Speech & Comedy in Canada

[49:55–66:00]

• Ben Bankas (comedian): Shares his journey from Canada to the U.S., the risk of telling controversial jokes about Islam or social issues, and widespread efforts to cancel him.

  • “I've just been hit, hit the ground running and been going back and forth to Canada to do shows ... It's been amazing.” ([51:37])

• Discusses the difference between comedy in the U.S. and Canada:

  • In Canada, it’s easier to be banned for “unacceptable” jokes (esp. on universities and mainstream comedy circuits).
  • Canadian border agents have recognized his work; indicates an underlying conservatism among some Canadians despite official politics ([53:39]).
  • Artistic communities (especially left-wing) tend to resent success unless it's politically correct: “Generally they're not happy.” ([55:13])

• Tells story of a joke (“she was shot good. Renee good.”) and the subsequent controversy ([55:51–57:50]).

• Responds to critics (such as Ali Hassan on CBC) who cast him as “punching down” and “racist,” and the hypocrisy of systematic government-funded media attacking comedians who challenge taboos.

  Bankas ([60:33]):
  “It's basically living in Canada's divorce court pretty much. ... If your career ends up at the place where you’re being brought in... to slander a comedian with millions of followers, it's just a sad day for that guy.”

• Both agree American audiences don’t realize how hostile Canada can be for non-mainstream comedy.

  Bankas ([62:02]):
  “If Kamala had won, I think [the US] would have been in a lot more similar state or at least trending that way. ... The Oscars, to me, is—it's almost basically, it's government funded at this point.”

• On Canadian state funding for the arts:

  • Crowder and Bankas argue this leads to low-quality, ideologically filtered entertainment: “Most of the money ... they got a grant because they had six transgenders and two blacks and a, you know, and a Chinese guy...” ([62:38])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Crowder ([00:01]):
  “That's about as sound of a basis for an argument as ... ‘Why would we ever attack Iran? They've never attacked us.’ Thousands of Americans killed in multiple attacks by the Iranian regime. ... If the opinion right now ... is that Islam is largely peaceful and we are responsible for instigating Islamic violence ... that's not a valid opinion.”

• Crowder ([24:30]):
  “Don’t say the only reason ... caliphates are violent toward the West is because of something we’ve done. You have to go back to every other nation pre-America ... It’s silly.”

• Crowder ([35:00]):
  “Judaism is Halloween 1. Christianity ... Halloween 2 ... Islam ... is like Halloween 3 ... What the hell is going on?”

• Crowder ([28:37] - on “Islamic feminism” claims):
  “Islam subjugates and abuses women by mandate.”

• Ben Bankas ([55:51]):
  “The joke was that ... I basically just said, so good. She was shot good. Renee good. That was the whole point of the joke.”

• Bankas ([60:33]):
  “It's like divorce court. You pay to sue yourself.”

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Important Timestamps

• 00:01–03:45: Opening remarks, Rumble Wallet plug, set-up for main theme
• 09:50–12:16: “Leprechauns in the Hood” segment, transition to media bias & crime data
• 20:34–25:00: History lesson—Islamic expansion vs. Christianity, the Barbary Wars
• 29:20–33:25: Discussion of Islamic doctrine on women, child marriage, sex slavery
• 33:25–37:00: Debunking claims of Islamic-Christian alliance; scriptural/cultural rifts
• 46:50–49:55: Crowder’s conclusion on realities of Islam and West policy
• 49:55–66:00: Guest segment – Ben Bankas: Canadian comedy, free speech, cancellation, and making “dangerous” jokes

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Tone & Style

• The language throughout is irreverent, pointed, and frequently sarcastic, with Crowder employing monologues, analogies, and mockery—especially of media, “the left,” and what he calls historically ignorant perspectives.
• The guest segment with Ben Bankas retains a comic, self-deprecating edge, with both Crowder and Bankas riffing on cancel culture and public sensitivities.

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Conclusion

This episode of Louder with Crowder makes a polemical case against the idea that U.S. or Western actions are primarily to blame for Islamic violence, presenting a counter-argument based on Crowder’s interpretation of Islamic history, theology, and contemporary data. The discussion expands to criticism of the media, crime reporting, and the state of free speech and comedy, particularly in Canada—with guest Ben Bankas sharing firsthand experiences of backlash against anti-Islam and “politically incorrect” humor.

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For listeners seeking a segment on:

• Islamic violence, history, & data: [20:34–37:00]
• Media, crime, & bias: [09:50–15:00]
• Free speech & cancel culture with Ben Bankas: [49:55–66:00]

Transcript

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Is that Jill? Is that Jill Biden? Is it? No, it's just. No, she's just.

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What?

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He doesn't know. He's like, it's my first time in the suburbs. I'm getting the hang of it. Shot makes me happy. Anyway, happy St. Patrick's Day, minorities. See, that was. That was. He had it loaded and it just happened to go off. And the person was. There was a woman. It's not supposed to be my favorite part, but it is. It is. Now here's something really. All the references available, as we do every single show, here's how the media frames the Dallas crime issue. That was all Dallas, by the way. This comes from Latin times. Latinos and blacks comprise more than 4 in 5 of Dallas's assault victims. City data shows. Oh, man, that sounds bad. So you watch that or you read that, you go, okay. Now the job of the media, and certainly, by the way, the source material, the job of those collecting data would be to help you make more informed decisions, right? To help you be safer. Otherwise, there's no real purpose to crime data. So you look at it, you go, okay, so black and Hispanics are more at risk. Okay. At the hands of whom? In other words, are there any Particular groups. Because we've been told by the media you should be afraid in a white neighborhood. Are there any particular groups of people that the four in five victims who happen to be black or Hispanic, Are there any groups of people they should avoid or be concerned with if they want to avoid being physically assaulted? What is the race of the perpetrators? Four in five Hispanic, Black victims. Right. Four out of five victims are Hispanic or black. Perpetrators, race. I looked for a long time. Here's actually a screen share so you can see what that looks like.

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Okay.

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Article. Click on a link. Next article. All right. Gotta click on that link. Not here. Victims. Okay. Victims. Okay. Victims. Okay. Perpetrator. Let's go to crime overview. Not there. So let's be clear. You have municipality, you have geography. You have age. You have sex. You have all of this information, by the way, on the victim, nothing on the perpetrator. Hmm. Doesn't that matter? Also, this goes back to. We, we've informed you this. The rule change in 2008, the Bureau of Justice write their statistics. They stopped publishing data on interracial crime, but for some reason they still keep publishing data on the victims. Well, maybe you could make an inference and go, okay, so four out of five victims of physical assault are Hispanic or black. All right, what about white people? Who are they most likely to be? Ah, we don't know the, we don't know the race of the perpetrator. Well, you can look at those areas. Hold on a second. Are these crimes, these physical assault crimes? Oh, they're taking place in areas where there is a majority of the population made up from black or Hispanic. So the most likely. Ah, okay, here's the truth. Yes. Black and Hispanic Americans are more likely to be the victim of assault because they live in close proximity to other black and Hispanics. And if you are a white person who doesn't live in close proximity to majority black or Hispanics, you are still far more likely to have a violent crime committed against you by a black or Hispanic citizen or non citizen of this country. If we just put that information out there, wouldn't it help some folks? Oh, it's racist. You brought race into it. It was your headline. Why'd you only bring in half? Is that fair? You know, right? Wouldn't you like to know that if your, your daughter's going to school, maybe has to walk home from the bus stop, or maybe your wife, she has to walk to her car in the parking lot at night, wouldn't it be nice to know where there's a greater risk they are deliberately hiding it from you. You don't hate the media enough. And by the way, this is why you don't trust your institutions. Also, it's not only leprechauns from the hood who can benefit from some gold. Go to lwcgold.com see if you qualify for a no fees for life IRA. Thanks to Trugold, it's gone up like 77% over the last year. And just fun fact that we learned yesterday on air, everybody needs to get the word out there is no gold in bald men's heads. We don't know that yet. They've only done five. They've only killed five people. No, I thought it was six. Geraldine, it's five. You got to give it some time. It could, you know, it could even out. It could end up being five out of 10, which means it's half the time. I just want to point out that article was from 2017, so it may have. They may have. At first, you don't succeed. Try, try again. Just call true gold. Don't kill people that are bald. See, it's simple. For those who didn't tune in yesterday. Was it, was it, was it Zimbabwe? Was it Mozambique? Mozambique? Mozambique. Speaking of Africa, let's go to Islam. A lot of Africa has been. A lot of the continent of Africa has been tainted by the evil poison that is the Islamic ideology. So I'm going to get to a few kind of claims that are being made out there. Like I talked about earlier today. You see some people, everyone on the left and some on the right saying, hey, Islam is actually not the threat, okay? That's propaganda. And if we stopped bothering them, they wouldn't hate us so much. It's because of our actions that those who follow the Islamic faith support attacking us, killing us, you know, to the tune of 198 million Muslims worldwide support violence against non Muslims. I want to disabuse you of that because I think a lot of people don't have their opinion rooted in basic history. We'll also get to the founders, the reason for that history, Jesus versus Muhammad, and then real world data today to see if it's still following the historical trend line. So if you've been following the news or maybe even reading some tweets, scrolling, you might think now that Islam, well, half the country thinks it's fine, it's benign and half thinks, well, it's not. Great Breaking news out of Texas this morning. We are now learning law enforcement officials are investigating an overnight shooting as a possible act of terror. The shooting outside a bar in Austin's busy East 6th street area left three people dead, 14 others injured, three of them in critical condition this morning. Tonight, a chilling terror attack thwarted in the backyard of New York City's mayor. Chaos unfolding as demonstrators clashed and ran for safety. This was not random violence. This was a planned attack motivated by extremist ideology. Sheer panic in Bondi. Terrified beachgoers run for their lives as shot after shot rings out. The two shooters used long armed weapons to open fire from a bridge onto a park where members of Sydney's Jewish community had gathered to celebrate Hanukkah. The new information coming in on the man with prioritized ISIS who opened fire on an ROTC class at Old Dominion University. Police in West Bloomfield, Michigan, now responding to an active shooter, we're told at Temple Israel. The West Bloomfield Police Department set out an alert urging residents to avoid the area now. Yeah, so to be clear, since March 1st alone, we've seen attacks from those who follow the ideology, the poisonous religion of Islam. They have perpetrated crimes. There was the shooting in Austin, the IED attack in New York City, the shooting at Old Dominion University, Temple attack in West Bloomfield, Michigan. And if you were to look at this and your starting off point would be, well, hold on, that's retaliation. That's because of what the United States has been doing in the Islamic world. And there are many people who believe that. I just have to tell you, and we'll go through again. History, Founders Real World Data. Everything you're saying, you're wrong about. Everything. Wrong. All right. And by the way, this is not a character judgment on people who have made these statements. I just think it's important to disabuse you of a notion that is false. If you start. If you look at the Iran conflict, and by the way, I think the conversation should center around really budget, national security and the level of interventionism with which we are comfortable. I do not believe that this conversation should take place around the topic whatsoever. Well, is Islam really violent or is it our fault? If you say, why are we doing anything with Iran? They've never attacked us. That's factually inaccurate. If you say, well, the Islamic world was at peace with us until our intervention or interventionist policies, that is factually inaccurate. That is an illegitimate opinion because it is based on a verifiable fallacy. History, Founders Real World Data. Dave Smith's tweet went out, went viral yesterday. Islam is such a violent religion, every time we murder a bunch of their children, they try to Kill some of us. Disgusting. Okay, here's the truth. And I get that it's easy for people to believe this out there if you just haven't opened the Quran or any other history book. First, let's go through history. Islam has been entirely spread through violence and conquest. Whether you're solving murders during breakfast, cracking cold cases on your commute, or playing amateur detective at bedtime. Amazon Music's got millions of podcast episodes waiting. Just download the Amazon music app and start listening to your favorite true crime podcasts ad free included with prime. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile. I don't know if you knew this,

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And this is the reason that it's important, of course, the Barbary wars like we talked about, that's the 18th, 19th century with a bunch of Islamic pirates. That's really why we have the kind of navy and marines that we do. And this by the way also brings us to just a few hours ago, suicide bombers carried out a series of attacks in Nigeria. 23 dead, over a hundred injured. Because in the 20th century they actually conquered. MI6. Akbar. Allahu Akbar. It's a quick movie credits and we'll get to the founders here. So history, the founders which would be Muhammad versus Jesus. But it's important to note Christianity. Stephen, my name first martyr. If you were a Christian early on, you were killed, you were executed. Christianity spread exclusively through proselytizing, missions, works and cultural conversion. Islam when it started, no known oppressor. People go, I don't Know what was this some kind of new. Okay, whatever. It wasn't globally known exclusively spread through conquest, through violence. Matter of fact, the perfect example would be the Reconquista there of Spain. So Spain. Let me just use this as a very clear example in case you believe it's the United States. We are the reason that Islam is violent. Spain became a Christian nation. How did they become. Not through violence, through a literal saint and through people converting. Then you had the Muslim onslaught who took over large swaths of land and the Reconquista was finally Christians, saying, you know what, we're going to take this back. At first we did it peacefully through conversion. There were no acts, no notable acts of Christian aggression or expansionism until the advent of Islam, which was violent from the moment it was created. Every single century since then, it's the only way it has spread. Muhammad was literally a warlord. Yes, at the tip of a sword. Which brings us to the founders. Yeah, compare. Did Jesus Christ ever kill anybody? Did Jesus Christ ever wage a war? Did Jesus Christ ever call for never ending war jihad, or specifically to kill those who subverted the book, namely Christians and Jews? I know you'll find some verses and they'll say. Actually they say we respect the people of the book. No, they don't. And I'll get to that in a second. Did Jesus do any of those things? No. Did Muhammad? Yes. Take that founder go. Okay, then. How did Christianity spread? Oh, they were murdering Christians. They were executing them nonviolently is how it spread Islam. They weren't being executed, they weren't being martyred exclusively, violently. The left wants you to start history with the Crusades and those on the horseshoe. Right, whatever. The dissident. Right. Anyone who believes that if you just left the Islamic world alone, if you never poked the bear, you'd be fine. Doesn't understand the actual ideology, theology, none of it. Philosophy, political prescription. Let's look at Muhammad. This is from 9 29. Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the last day, nor comply with what Allah and his messengers have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who are given the scripture until they pay the tax, willingly submitting, fully humbled. So we have the history every single century. You will not find an exception. No acts of notable Christian aggression until Islam. Hey, have they changed their stripes? Let's go to. Well, 88% of deaths related to terrorism, terror deaths are directly attributable to Islam. 97%. While you talk about the United States, if they Left US alone, 97% of terror attacks occur outside of the Western world. So you may say the 3% is because of the United States. And that doesn't mean, by the way, that we haven't screwed up in the Middle East. I just believe that we screwed up for different reasons. We don't know the enemy that we actually face. It's barbarism. It's Islamic barbarism. Okay, that's 3%. Now do the 97% of those dying at the hands of Islam today? Today, more real world data. 198 Muslims worldwide, it's just a small number support the use of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam. 198 million question wasn't fair American. The question wasn't whether they're isolationists or not. Do you support the use of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam? 198 million Muslims say yes. 50 something million Muslims say often still believe that we left them alone. It's because we're killing their people now also do them killing far more of their own women and children than we ever have. We've got to have a basis in truth. We can have disagreements. But if you say, well Iran's never attacked Americans, you don't know what you're talking about. It doesn't justify, like you said, a never ending war. Of course not. Don't lie. Incident never attacked Americans have killed thousands of Americans on many separate occasions and they've sworn to do so until the last dying breath. You may not think that we should intervene. I think that's appropriate in many cases. We shouldn't be intervening. But don't say that the only reason any Muslims or any of these countries, these caliphates are violent toward the west is because of something we've done. You have to go back to every other nation pre America, what did we do the Barbary Wars. What do we do to have a bunch of Islamic pirates attacking vessels? It's silly. And the people espousing this are hoping that you are dumb. Here's another one that I think is interesting that Caleb Hammer who has the financial audit show, here he is with some Islamic guests and it's fun that he seems to be a bit on the spectrum because he just says it. I always questioned the Bible and so like I don't question the Quran, of course. I think question everything. I don't think you're allowed to question the Quran, especially as a woman. No, he likes it. I mean he's like, that's right. It's. It's not that. No, Islam is probably the most like Feminist moros religion there is like very much protective of. Yes, it is certainly Middle Eastern countries that are most well known for their feminism and freedom for women. It is the Middle East. If they're practicing Islam. Yes. So you're saying they're all practicing it incorrectly everywhere, including Mecca. Yes. We all remember those Islamic propaganda posters going around the Middle east for feminists. Yeah,

[B]

that's taking it lightly.

[A]

Here's the truth. Of course, Tulman. Truth, of course. Good. And I'm not talking about traditional patriarchal systems that exist as they do with all the Abrahamic religions. Islam subjugates and abuses women by mandate. Okay, so let's go again through history, the founder, and then real world data. Let's look at the 7th century Muslim forces they were capturing, taking sex slaves with permission from Muhammad, like that was their calling card. All the greats have their calling card. 8th century, took a thousand virgins as slaves from Spain to Damascus. 21st century, ISIS kidnapped thousands of Yazidi women and forced them into sex slavery. Let's go. Okay, this is by. By the way again, in a way that is not seen in the western world. I know people have told you that unconditional surrender means our guys are going to enslave your women and rape them. It was actually a mandate policy and prescription from Muhammad during war to do that. Spoils of war for the troops. Come on. Also outbreed, right? Take their women and outbreed them. It was never reach people with the gospel. Evangelize. Evangelize means you present people with good news. Hey, look, here are your benefits. And here are the terms that you have to submit to if you want these benefits like any other deal that you make effectively. Islam is called to subjugate. It's all by force. That's why women are sex slaves. That's why they're called to do it. Let's go back to the founder. So we have history of the founder. We have this From C. Al Bukhari 5134, Book 67, Hadith 70, that the Prophet Muhammad was married. Sorry. The prophet Muhammad married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said, I have been informed that Aisha remained with the Prophet Muhammad for nine years, meaning until his death. To be fair, he only humped her thighs from six to nine. That is not in dispute. All Islamic scholars or imams will have to tell you that's the case. Yeah, but I mean, the bright side isn't she turned 18 she was free, right? Effectively as used goods. Come on, let's look at Quran 4. 34. Men are in charge of women by right of what Allah has given, one over the other. But those wives from whom you fear arrogance first advise them, then if they persist, forsake them in bed and finally strike them. And then you'll have the Muslims say like, oh, well, that's really just because, you know, you can't strike them hard. It's just enough. Okay, when you put together the totality, child brides, arranged marriage, women being treated as sex slaves. Let's add up. On top of that, you can have temporary marriages. So you can have that loophole with the hookers. You can marry someone divorced, divorce, divorce gone. It is all designed around not a union, but pleasure for the male and subjugation of women. It's not the same as what people would say, red pill or traditional patriarchy relationships where the man is the head of the household who is to protect, to provide for the wife, and yes, she is to submit to him in all things because he's the leader of the household. That's not the same as a sex slave to be taken and used at your convenience and beaten. And it's okay if they're six or nine. Let's look at the real world data. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Qatar. You look at these different countries, they allow child marriage. The girl has reached puberty. And by the way, they're a little, you know, it's more of a guideline than a hard and fast rule. You stay, women keep getting younger and younger, and Muhammad keeps staying the same age. They require the women to marry whoever their male guardian tells them to. These countries facilitate domestic violence through laws. And then the other thing is, this is why you also see a lot of cousin marrying. Lot of Pakistan, it's up to 70%. Jeez. UK, Pakistanis are 59%. And you know that comes with a laundry list of hereditary diseases right? Now why would that be? Well, because a guy wants to bang his cousin. It doesn't matter if she doesn't want to bang her cousin back. I mean, she's right there. Yeah, she's always around for. People say, ah, it's, it's feminist. Look, I hate feminists as much as the next person. And I'm not going to say that Islam has us all wrong. The shared ground that we would have as far as roles of men and women, by the way, that would be the same in Judaism, that would be the same in Christianity. They add a whole bunch to Be clear. Also, this is another clip on that show where he was reminding them, these secular Western Muslims, I mean, by Islamic standards, that they're not practicing Islam. Well, it depends on what you say about Islamic principles as well. They say theocratic, they can say all they want. That doesn't mean they actually are practicing.

[B]

Do it.

[A]

The principles. Okay, well are we going to do the whole thing that Christians do with shellfish and a bunch of like that, or we pick and choose what we like, depending on our world values? More Western? No, but here's the thing. This is what I'm gonna say. Okay. Because I think what she's trying to say is this. When we started debt, we're in so much debt. Okay, then you're not following Islamic principles. That's true. Then what are you gonna tell me? Wait, Muslims don't believe in debt. Well, then how can allah owe them 72 virgins when they martyr themselves? That's really more of like, like a party favor. Yeah, it's a different thing. Yeah, it's not a. It's not a debt. It's not a debt. It's like a reward. Just a good time. Okay. It's a bonus. Six year old sighs are kind of like you'd reward. Oh my gosh. Disgusting. By the way, Caleb got one thing wrong. Christians don't pick and choose. The New Testament did away with the old dietary laws, so we follow the New Testament. Not picking and choose, but anyway, here's another claim that I see made a lot. So if you start with the false premise, they won't attack you if you don't attack them. Islam is not inherently a violent religion. Matter of fact Islamic, it's actually a friend to Christianity because they like Jesus too. Islam and Christianity, actually, we should be each other's best allies. You see this from the guy named Sneako. He wrote, it is far past time we Christians and Muslims unite on our shared similarities rather than fight over our minor differences. They, meaning Jews, spit on Christians and bomb the Muslims. Why are we deceived into hating each other by those who hate the Messiah? Okay, so here's the truth again. We'll go through history. Allah and Muhammad disagree. They don't think that we're great as friends. Within 10 years of Islam's inception in Medina, they went to war with Christians and Jews. Now let's. And then forevermore thereafter, Islam is okay with Christians so long as they can violently conquer all of the lands that you culturally converted of their own free will. As long as you don't mess with their Violent, conquering. They can be buds. Yeah. Who was Jesus in Islam? Yeah. Who's the Messiah? You don't believe he's the son of God? We don't have that much in common. Well, let's go back to the founder. This is. I think It's Al Maida. Maida551o believers take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians. They are guardians of each other. Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people. And the. What Muslims will do and they're allowed to do this, to mislead you, is they'll try and say, well, you know, we actually respect the people of the Book. We. We believe the Old Testament and the New Testament. We just. We add to it. We just don't believe the parts that were lied about and subverted. Whoa, what was that part? You know, just. We just don't believe the part since because it was warped. But by whom? Well, the Jews going back to when the blessing of Abraham. So pretty much all of it. So pretty much 98% of the book you really just used to point to and say Jews and Christians are liars. They're okay. They are people of the Book and they are your friends if they allow themselves to be subjugated by you. If not, kill them until your last dying breath. Now let's go to the real world. Muslims and Christians should be each other's greatest allies. They never have, but they should be. Here are Muslims obeying Muhammad and the commandments of Allah. Looks like a jew. More Jewish terrorists. Now I've searched and there may be one somewhere of someone who happens to be Jewish at some point in time. Couldn't find one example of comparable Jewish acts of terrorism against the church. Tearing it down. Now I know what people like Sneako will argue. Well, like that's because everything the Jews do is covert. It's, it's, it's. They do it covertly. It's Mossad. Okay, so would that mean that Muslims also don't do covert ops? They only do the overt, where they destroy churches and attack Christians and execute them in public. The Jews don't do that. But they exclusively do the COVID The Muslims don't also do the COVID because I'd be willing to bet that they do both. And let's look at why this is the case. Look, I believe obviously Jesus Christ is the truth, the one and only truth. And I believe that hell is real. And I believe that if you reject the divinity of Christ, that's your cross. To bear, and it's probably going to suck. Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Tao, whatever it is. That's the belief of all Christians. That shouldn't be offensive, right? I'm also not worried about Jews being offended when I say that. So with that being said, Jews deny the divinity. They don't acknowledge the divinity of Christ. Okay? We disagree there. Here's why. Islam is a unique problem, okay? Jews, Old Testament, that's the basis of Christianity. They reject the sequel, right? The New Testament, Jesus came to fulfill the law, okay? So when Jews have created societies, there are differences, but we still follow the same generally foundational law. It's not foreign to Christians because we genuinely do use and respect that part. The basis of the law, where Jews and us will find common ground, where we can actually live in societies together, even if they're a little too Jewy sometimes. Muslims, no, it's the opposite. They completely destroy the foundations of the law because the Jews and Christians lied about it. Let me give you the analogy that I've used before. Judaism is Halloween 1. Christianity, like it was, okay? Old Testament, we get it. Moses, all right. Blessing of Abraham, we got. Okay? Messiah is going to come. Christianity is Halloween 2 takes place the same night. It's still canon, right? Halloween 2 in the hospital, really? Ah. Mike Myers continued. It's still the same storyline. And then Islam, they say they're an abramic religion, but it's like Halloween three, where you just go, halloween one. Okay? It's continued. Halloween two. The Jews deny Halloween two, but Halloween three, what? Masks is a form of mind control. And there's no Michael Myers. The hell is going on? Christianity and Judaism share the same core laws. Christ came to fulfill the law. And I would make the case that adds an element of grace that to me is sadly lacking in Judaism. That's why you have Jewish people. They tend to be very letter of the law, right? The dietary laws, the Sabbath laws, which we should honor and respect. But Sabbath was unclarified to be more of a gift for you to rest. And that means that if you work with your hands, you may want to do Sudoku, that if you work with your brain, you may want to go out and chop wood, right? But we still view the set. We still have the same core basis of laws. Islam rewrote all the laws. And said, by the way, kill the people who argue with you on the new rewriting of the laws. Jews, let's just take this. Jews deny the divinity of Christ, okay? Because they don't believe it fulfilled prophecy. All right? People want you to believe that that's the greatest evil. Plenty of people deny the divinity of Christ, but including in your church, they'll say, oh, you know, Jesus was a great moral teacher. You know, I think it's a allegorical. There are plenty of people who do. So Jews deny the divinity of Christ. Okay, so do Muslims, so does Islam. Jesus did not die and raised from the dead, to be clear. In other words, that didn't happen. They add the element of and people who wrote that are in on a plot to deceive you and that's why they need to be subjugated or killed. Big difference. Jews go, we just don't think he's the guy. We're still waiting for a guy. Islam says, well, a lot of people think he's the guy, but that's because these people, the Jews and Christians, lied about it. And that's why we have to subjugate them or kill them, because we know he's not. By the way, we have a whole new system of laws and prescriptions that we are going to give to you. This is actually, hey, Christians, Jews, you have to believe this now because of this serial killing pedophile who spoke to a demon in a cave. You have to believe this because we're just like you. And if you don't believe exactly this, we're gonna kill all of you. Here's a. Here's some dumb shit. Bonus. Sneako said they don't really hate Islam, they are just jealous. What? Jealous of what? I have white bed sheets. Yeah, I got three pair. Jealous of. Yeah, that's a what? Here's the truth. There's literally nothing to be jealous of. Not only to be found in the religion of Islam, but the history of Islam or any Islamic country or really any impact Islam has had on the world. None. None. Islam enslaves people by command. Christians freed slaves. For everyone who solves crime from their couch, knows more about forensics than their own job, and has trust issues with small town sheriffs. Amazon Music's millions of podcast episodes are calling. Just download the Amazon Music app and start listening to your favorite true crime podcasts ad free included with prime, basing it on their theology, basing it on their view that they thought needed to be corrected, that we can't do this. Yep, slavery existed for a long time. Islam continues to enslave people. Christians freed more slaves than any other religion ever. Islam, of course, you're called to war. Christians, you're called to peace. You're called to fight when necessary, but you are called to Be peaceful. Islam pro pedophilia. Be pretty tough to argue against. Muhammad humping thighs from six to nine. I still think nine is a little green for my taste, but you know, six certainly is. That's not borderline. Can we agree on that? Christian nations prosecute pedophiles. Not enough. But when people complain about Epstein, you go, yeah, now do Muhammad. Now do Islamic nations. Now do child brides. Islam doesn't just abuse women, it revels in it. I don't believe that a woman submitting to the authority of her husband or a woman having a traditional role is abuse. To be clear, I do believe that a woman being used as nothing more than sex cattle and being stoned to death if she only has two out of four witnesses after being gang raped, I think that's abuse. That's no longer a first, second third wave feminism. It's just a religion that abuses women. Christianity, not the same at all. Also Islam, they eat with their hands. We use forks. Oh, that's a big one to me. It just like they don't use toilet paper. I'm pro toilet paper. I know some of you are going to say bidet. I'm all about that bidet life in. In tandem with the appropriate toilet. Exactly. Pro bidet. Also pro dry the bidet. Right remnants with some. Yes. Just not. Not treating your left hand as the charmin. Some people reuse their tp. That's disgusting. Well, imagine reusing your left hand. I do it every day. Yeah. Islam doesn't even let women drive in many cases. And I will say, as a Christian. Okay, they may have a point. Happy baby. One more time. All right. A caliphate may have prevented that. You know, we're live weekdays, 11am Eastern. So I just want to make sure that we're really clear. We need to figure out when people talk about the civil war on the right. We need to figure out where the disagreements are and if it is. If the starting off point, the springboard is, well, hold on a second. Yeah, but we all know that the Islamic world only hates us because of what we do. You are going to be so far off target in the real world that wherever you are will not be. You wouldn't be able to recognize reality from your placement in the geopolitical spectrum. It's nonsensical. You have centuries. By that, I mean every century since its inception. History. The reason for that history being remarkably consistent. When you go to the words of the founders and then you have real world data today that shows you it's not getting any better. In many cases, it's getting worse. You have to do away with all of that to say that it is exclusively a Jewish problem and we should be buddies. Jewish community has problems. I get that. Israel has a lot of problems. Bibi Netanyahu has a lot of problems. I understand he might want to keep this conflict going. That has no bearing on the reality of Islam. And anyone embracing it cannot be America first. Why? Because Islam does not allow for America. It's that simple. Islam does not allow for the United States of America as a religion. It demands our subjugation. Period. The only reason that we are not at that phase yet is because, unlike all of the other centuries prior, we're not weak enough to be subjugated. When you have this conversation based on truth, is that fair? By the way, speaking of freedom, your true financial freedom. Download the rumble wallet wallet.rumble.com today, where you can tip your creators and just sort of divest from big banks. You can flick them off. Yeah, yeah. Anything you want to add? Sorry. You know, I get this is. This was my. A long time ago, and I'm like, oh, we're back here now. Where people on the right. I believe it's flip them off, not flick them off. Well, whatever. Either way, click on flip them. You know, it's all the same. He was talking about his boogies.

[B]

Ew.

[A]

No, I think you did a great job encapsulating. It doesn't make any sense. It's one of the most incoherent religions that I've ever seen, and it is absolutely not peaceful. And unfortunately, Dave Smith is so anti war that he can't see that sometimes people will do stuff. No matter who you support, whether Israel exists, whether it doesn't exist, whether we care about them, whether we don't care about them, whether we fight their wars, whether we don't fight their wars, whatever it is, it just doesn't matter. He just assumes it's our fault. And of course, they're just responding to us. How far back do you want to go, Dave? Are we responding to them or are they responding to us? Yeah, just. Just keep moving the date. We'll figure it out. Yeah, they want you to believe that, you know, if we didn't have any type of alliance with Israel, then the Muslim world would be fine. Well, I don't know. Maybe you think about this. Like, maybe a big reason for the geopolitical history of modern Israel is because. Because we had constantly been facing the bullshit of Islamic caliphates. Maybe that's why. And then if you Go back to, you know, 600 something. You go, oh, wait a second. It's been non stop. That, to me, is the biggest delineation. Christianity. You're martyred, you will be killed. Spread through word of mouth for centuries, Centuries peacefully. Conversions, actual saints going out. Islam, no known oppressors. You weren't martyred. Spread by the sword and conquest immediately. Yeah. Doesn't get much clearer than that. You don't hear about a lot of Islam's, you know, dropping a grudge. No, they tend to hang on. They tend to hang. Yes. It's like, well, okay, let's let. We stop. We never. We leave them alone forever. Yeah. How long do we have to deal with this? Because it's pretty tough. They won't drop the grudge. No, it's pretty tough to say, all right, it's time to let cooler jihads prevail. Okay. All right. We do have, actually, I believe we have our guest on the show. And before we bring him on, I actually wanted to bring up this guy. Ties right in. Not easy to criticize Islam. And I will tell you this, far harder to do in the cesspool of Canada where free speech does not exist. But our next guest, he's willing to do it anyway.

[B]

I think part of it is that the Muslims, they pray for such big things, and I think that pisses God off. I really do. You gotta thank God a lot and you gotta. You gotta pray for small stuff first, you know, just little stuff, you know, please, God, let grapes be on sale at Farm Boy tomorrow. Then you go to Farm Boy and grapes are on sale. You're like, thank you, God.

[A]

And God's like, yeah, grapes easy done.

[B]

Nothing. But you know what the Muslims are praying for? You know, they're in their mosque, you know, inshallah, please let Islam and Allah take over America and Canada and the UK and France and Germany. And God's listening to this, looking at the Jews like, level it.

[A]

Please welcome to the show, the very funny and actually brave Ben Bacus. Oh, hey, Ben. I didn't. I was. I was. I thought you were just doing a mic check.

[B]

Sorry, I was. I was in the middle of my morning prayer.

[A]

Well, that's allowed in Canada. And by the way, your tour dates [e-mail] where people can go check them out, right?

[B]

Yes, sir. B E N B A N K A S dot com. I'm in Texas right now, luckily.

[A]

Oh, good for you. Are you. Are you planning to move stateside or is it. Is it a tough kind of move to Pull off because I'll tell you know, starting stand up in Canada, like, I, I know what that's. I know what that's like. And it's far more risky than people here realize.

[B]

Well, I want to thank God. I want to thank my God, our God, one of the gods, for the good God. I've been living stateside since 2024, April 2024, when I got my just no looking back, man. I've just been hit, hit the ground running and been going back and forth to Canada to do shows and doing shows all over the US for the last two years. So it's, it's been amazing.

[A]

And what's it like going back to Canada to. To do shows? Because that's always a risk. I mean, I know you're from Toronto, by the way. Is Toronto, is it still a Yuk Yuks in Toronto or is that just Ottawa?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, shout out Yuk Yuks. They are the best. And they always, no matter what, they'll press delete on the craziest of emails coming in to try and get my shows canceled.

[A]

Well, I'm glad to see that because when I was in Canada, 2004, or maybe five was the year I remember doing the Just for Laughs, and I was banned from quite a few colleges there in Montreal because of some pretty benign jokes. Looking back on Muhammad, what's it like now? Because all the comics were by default liberal back then. It was a comedic witch hunt when George Bush was president. And do you think a lot of the comedians have woken up to the threat against free speech there?

[B]

Well, I think, I mean, being banned from universities or colleges is pretty easy to do. And I mean, for the last 20 years, of course. But I mean, I think one of my first sets, I got kicked off of an open mic at my university, Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. I've been there and I was doing a joke. I was just doing some toilet humor, to be honest. But they couldn't even handle that back then. Or swearing. I think so. But Canada needs it. They need the comedy. And when I'm there, they're very thankful. I mean, the audiences of course, love it. Is there a risk? I don't really think so. I mean, you come into the country, you push a button on a machine and they let you in. Some Indian guy goes, oh, what do you do you have tobacco or banana? And that's it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So there's not really. There's not really. There's barely a border to begin with. So going back to do comedy is is pretty chill. And honestly, I've, I've crossed the border and had people recognize me at the border. Like, I've had border guards be like, I love your stuff. I saw you in London, Ontario, buddy. Here's. So there's, it's, it's weird because there's like this underlying, you know, conservatism in Canada. Same with. I mean, the US Was lucky enough to elect Trump, but Canada still has a ton of left wing people. But it just makes the appetite for what I'm doing so much more.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. There's been a shift, for sure, in the comedy community where that wasn't always the case. Long time. I think it's just because people always took for granted, like, they'd be able to speak freely. I met that Indian guy, by the way, going through customs. I met him. I used to do the Amtrak from Montreal to New York, which would take place, you know, it would only take a mere 15 hours. And they go through and they do have produce. I'm like, I have my lunch on the train. What am I supposed to do?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's, it's an interesting thing. I mean, the comedy community itself, pro, like, that's a different thing from me selling tickets and being allowed to do what I'm doing. Yeah, the community, they, they'll always hate it. The, the, the communities generally hate anybody that's getting any success unless it's, you know, unless it's left wing. Then they have to pretend like they like the success.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, generally they, they're not happy.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's true. That says it's, it's very much. I mean, Josh who's here, he was. Yeah, I hate it. I hate it that you're successful. It sucks. Yes. Yeah. I'm sitting over here one, one weekend a month, and I hate you, buddy. You suck. He said, you having that son of a bitch on. I said, come on. He's. All right. Walk us through, though. So I know recently, too, this Renee, good joke you had some shows that were canceled. Run us through the joke and the aftermath, because that's one of those things that wouldn't even be on my radar where someone would cancel you over a joke about someone who clearly deserved to be shot.

[B]

Well, I mean, your words, not mine. Anyway, so the joke was, the joke was about how she deserved it.

[A]

The,

[B]

the. Well, the first of all, you know, getting shows, like having any disruption when you're getting, you know, it's. I'm doing my job. I'm on a stage telling a Joke. It's not like I'm doing. So I'm not out of Walmart screaming at somebody or whatever. You know, I don't, I don't know what, what could get me, you know, in trouble. But the idea that doing a joke itself is actually problematic. A joke that's really popular and yeah, of course something really popular is going to also be really hated as with any artist. Doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum. Anyway, so the joke was that, you know, I basically just said, you know, so good. She was shot good. Renee good. The name, that was the whole point of the joke.

[A]

Sorry I had to put you on the spot, but it's because I know there's fallout. I know it's never fun to explain a stand up joke on a, on a show, but again, she was shot good. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. Yeah.

[B]

Right. But her last name was good. So that's why the joke made sense. And I do a bit about it. How I say like, you know, if her last name was some bad, I would have said, you know, bad day to be a female driver or whatever.

[A]

Right. Okay.

[B]

But you know, there's, it's just the last name is, it's just happened to be that. So that was the joke. And you know, and then I do it. I've been doing another bit, you know, I, I talk about up the fallout in my act.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I won't give too much away. But yeah. Essentially said good and people couldn't believe that I said that. And then people were stealing my joke, trying to harass me, emailing me. Your show was canceled. Good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like you're still, you're still slandering your name.

[A]

Yeah. But it feels good. They're insulting you with your own joke. Which means it works.

[B]

Yeah. Which means it's a great joke.

[A]

Yeah. So the perfect joke is where someone who wants to kill you still has to use it anyway.

[B]

I don't even remember the rest of the joke. What was it? I said good. Can we play it?

[A]

I don't have you want but I do have a clip from your fan of yours, Ali Hassan, who had this to say on cbc. Just for those people who don't know, I tell Americans like you have to go to Pravda or Venezuela to see government run media. I grew up under government funded media. The cbc here he is talking about your, your unacceptable joke. This is a statement that we got the CBC got from him. Ben Bankus is proving that following your dreams and speaking your own truth resonates with millions of people, even if that truth is seen as harsh or abrasive. As a comedian, what do you make of that? You know, I think Ben, people of his ilk, and there are, there are many other comedians like him, they believe they're speaking truth to power and they believe at some level that they are some type of, you know, George Carlin, Bill Hicks type of, you know, reincarnation. And this has been said by many people many times. Dude, George Carlin would hate you. George Carlin would absolutely despise you and everything. Those are men who actually spoke truth to power. Power felt ashamed hearing the jokes that George Carlin made about them. He exposed people in power and talked about how they were corrupt. This is all punching down. This is easy, easy pickings, low hanging fruit. I don't consider it good comedy. There's no actual joke writing going into the bulk of it. Look, Ben's roots are racist from the beginning. I didn't realize that that was, I was thinking of a different Ali Hassan. I remember him at Comedy Works in Montreal and Comedy Nest. That used to be in the old forum. I, I, I was thinking of that other commentator who has a name similar to their names all sound Mehdi Hassan, Mehdi Hasan, the other terrorist sympathizer. It's funny. I always do this, right? It always comes down to like, my cool guy wouldn't like you. George Carlin wouldn't like you. What do you say to people like the Brotherhood of Comedy to someone like that?

[B]

Yeah, the Muslim Brotherhood of Comedy,

[A]

they kill.

[B]

I mean, it's, yeah, I mean, you know, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is having on jihadists and is, well, Islamists. I don't know if they're jihadists fully, but they are Islamists to critique peak comedy. I mean, that's government funded, by the way. So yes, technically I paid for that.

[A]

That's like divorce court. You pay to sue yourself.

[B]

Yeah, it's basically living in Canada's divorce court pretty much. So it's, look, you know, I feel bad for these people that, you know, if your career ends up at the place where you're being brought in and you have like 1100 followers and you're, they're asking you to, you know, slander a comedian with millions of followers. I mean, it's just, it's a sad day for that guy. I mean, you could kind of tell on his face he didn't sleep that night and he was up all night being like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it, I'm doing it tomorrow.

[A]

I'm gonna say this.

[B]

I'm ending.

[A]

Yeah, I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say that. What I always notice, too, is. And you know, I wasn't a conservative, right leaning comedian. I was just a comedian. I was 18 when I started in Canada, or 17. I just was inherently more conservative. And it was brought to me that I wasn't allowed to say those things. That's how I kind of. I was like, what? Really? I can't. I just heard someone make a joke about a gang bang at a truck stop, and I can't make, like, a joke about Muhammad. I can't make a joke about, you know, my school being largely Middle Eastern during 9 11. I remember these conversations. What warning would you have to. Because a lot of Americans watch you and they go, okay, they just. Which is a great thing. It's purity. They go, you're funny. But they may not know the actual background of the contrast. What warning would you issue to Americans who don't know how bad Canada is, how bad it can get? They take it for granted.

[B]

I mean, if Kamala had won, I think it would have been in a lot of more similar state or at least trending that way. And I do think that if you watch the Oscars, that is a representation of what Canada has become. It is, and it's what they want. Oh, thank you. Thank you, babe. They want Canada or they want America to become what, you know, the Oscars was as mainstream. And that's all you're really allowed to like or. Or enjoy. So the Oscars, to me is. It's almost basically, it's government funded at this point.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I mean, it's not. It's not because, you know, they have a box office, all that. But, you know, if you look into it, I'm sure that most of the money, there's grants. There's this. They got a grant because they had six transgenders and two blacks and a, you know, and a Chinese guy. So that's. They got another million bucks there, whatever it is. And even if you look at the Oscars, you're not even allowed to submit if you don't have a certain requirement of dei. So that's kind of what they're making into, like, law in Canada. It's not just like, you know, well, you can make your movie, but it'll never be in the Oscars there. It's. You can't make your movie right. Or you can't, you know, and that's their hope. Have they accomplished it 100. No, they're still fighting for it. I mean, you know, these people are having conversations, you know, that, that conversation that, you know, my fans were sending me and you know, they're talking about how, you know. Well, it should be hard for you for, for Ben to have the ability to perform these sold out shows. It should be difficult. Why? As a Canadian citizen who's getting success in Canada and America and has fans all around the world, that should be celebrated. You don't agree with the politics? You think the jokes are too harsh? Okay, well, it's, it's, you know, that the economy. What about the economies of all this? Any small town where I was doing a thousand seats and they reverse it a week out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, and cancel the show. All the hotels that were booked, all the, I mean, the, the dinner plans, the restaurants, the bars afterwards. And we're talking a town of, you know, maybe 30,000 or 40, 50,000. That's a good night for everybody. And it's a memorable boost to the economy. So it just seems like. Because when you have everything government funded, you don't have to care about making money. And you know, capitalism is about. Unless, tell me if I'm wrong, but if the product is good, it will sell.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I actually think you just touched on something very insane. So we. The last time that I was. And I haven't, and I don't know, when I retire from this, I'll probably go back to stand up. It's kind of tough to juggle going morning to nights. But the last time that I did it, we picked venues. So like for example, instead of Manhattan, we said, you know what? We're gonna do two shows in Red bank at an 1800 seat theater. We'll do two. We'll do it in a place that we know is friendly and we'll do it in a place where we know people will want it. We would do a small town outside of a large Midwestern town where they just had a big enough venue and it would be a real infusion and you'd see it with the local hotels. So you do have that sway. For sure. I also find it funny you mentioned that. I remember Jay Bearshell. The exact opposite. Right. Blissfully unaware time in Canada. We actually, Our government is a beautiful thing. They fund our films. So it's not just corporate slop. It's like. Yeah, it's propaganda. It's propaganda. You're a tool of the propagandist government. Ben. I want to.

[B]

It's making it cheap. It's. How do we make the propaganda cheaply. Oh, we get people who have a dream but are never going to accomplish it to make it by giving them money because they would never be able to make it on their own because they're not that talented.

[A]

Yeah, that happens. And a lot of we see the best here in the States. People are like, oh, trailer park boys. Yeah. But if you watch a lot of Canadian tv, it is crap. So we're going to continue here on Rumble Premium Mug Club. And I want to it's Ben Bankus.com for your tour dates. People can follow you at Ben Bankus on X. Stay with us for a little while longer. I want to ask you your material on Iran. That'll be fun. We got some Iran jokes right.