It Isn't Both Sides: They Crossed The Rubicon When They Killed Charlie

Summary

Louder with Crowder — "It Isn't Both Sides: They Crossed The Rubicon When They Killed Charlie"

Date: September 15, 2025
Host: Steven Crowder
Guests/Panelists: Gerald, Josh Firestein
Key Topic: The political and cultural aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination, Crowder's call for "lawful defensive violence," the role of the left in fomenting violence, and media misrepresentation of the attacker's ideology.

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Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode responds to the assassination of conservative figure Charlie Kirk, exploring the rhetoric, misinformation, and celebration surrounding his death. Steven Crowder forcefully rejects narratives that frame recent political violence as a "both sides" issue, blaming leftist ideology, mainstream and social media, as well as educational and cultural institutions for radicalizing individuals and excusing, or even inspiring, violence against conservatives.

Crowder calls for a decisive change in how conservatives respond to violence: no longer advocating endless "grace" or passivity, but "lawful, defensive violence" as a means of self-protection and deterrence. The discussion is punctuated with examples of left-wing figures and outlets misrepresenting the political inclinations of Kirk's killer, attempts to drive wedges within the conservative movement, and the broader campaign to dehumanize right-leaning figures.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Crowder’s Stance on "Lawful, Defensive Violence"

• Crowder expresses frustration at the expectation that conservatives must always be perfect in their nonviolent response, while left-wing activists “act with impunity.”
• Quote:

  "I am advocating for lawful violence defensively. That has been abandoned for years and I want it to replace where grace was afforded before." (03:21)

• Crowder clarifies he does not condone random or targeted illegal violence but calls for immediate, legal self-defense when threatened.
• Example of the Kyle Rittenhouse and McCloskey cases, arguing they should be the norm for defensive actions, not exceptions.
• Advocates a mindset shift: stop tolerating aggression (“concrete milkshakes at ‘Change My Mind’ tables,” sucker punches) and replace mercy with resolute self-defense.

Timestamps:

• [03:00–06:30] Crowder’s explanation of “lawful violence” and critique of prior conservative passivity.

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2. Left’s Celebration and Dehumanization Following Kirk’s Murder

• Montage and stories of leftist figures openly celebrating or justifying Kirk’s assassination.
• Example: Social media posts and public statements gloating about Kirk's death, calling for more violence, and comparing him to “trash that had to be taken out.”
• Notable Quote:

  "I'm surprised that y'all didn't get rid of him sooner... He's dead, y'all. Thank God. One down, couple more to go." — Josh Firestein quoting critics, (10:59)

• Crowder argues such rhetoric is part of a broader leftist culture that seeks to justify violence by labeling opponents as Nazis or fascists.

Timestamps:

• [10:59–13:38] Montage of celebrations/mocking of Kirk’s murder
• [13:38–14:19] Crowder’s reaction: "That's who you're facing..."

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3. Misinformation and Narrative Manipulation by Media & Activists

• Disinformation about Crowder exploiting Kirk’s death for personal gain (e.g., rumors about bio changes on X) is debunked.
• Media and online rumors attempt to paint Kirk’s killer as a right-wing or “Groypers” (Nick Fuentes’ followers) rather than acknowledging the attacker’s leftist, LGBT ties.
• Quote:

  "The shooter is a leftist. The shooter is gay, lived with and had a relationship with a man who claims he’s transitioning... The left has been trying to paint this terrorist as a right wing Trump supporter. It might be working." (22:53)

• A recent YouGov poll shows that a significant percentage of Americans incorrectly believe the shooter was a Republican due to these tactics.
• Emphasizes the impossibility of living in a “right-wing echo chamber” due to the dominance of left-leaning media and institutions.

Timestamps:

• [21:17–26:21] On conspiracy theories about the shooter and polling misinformation
• [27:26–32:13] Clarifications about the shooter’s identity and the misleading media narrative

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4. Rejecting "Both Sides" Equivalence in Political Violence

• The episode’s core argument: political violence and hate do not exist equally on both sides; the current climate of leftist vitriol and aggression is unique and systemically excused.
• Discussion of the historical and institutional factors contributing to leftist radicalization, including education and entertainment industries.
• Quote:

  "This is not both sides. This is targeted violence against an ideology." — Gerald (51:53)

• Critiques attempts by politicians, pastors, or the public to “tone down rhetoric” or suggest moral equivalence between left and right.

Timestamps:

• [53:24–54:07] Gerald and Crowder on the fallacy of “both sides” arguments
• [54:07–55:18] Crowder’s anecdote on fear and the necessity for conservatives to “make them just as afraid” to commit acts of aggression

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5. Actionable Steps & Prescriptions for the Conservative Audience

Crowder lists four steps to counter leftist violence and institutional control:

1. Set your mind to protection – be prepared for lawful, defensive violence.
2. Label Antifa and Black Lives Matter as terrorist organizations via political action.
3. Protect your family’s education – homeschool or choose non-woke private schooling.
4. Identify persuadables, ostracize the committed – focus efforts on those open to truth, not those entrenched in leftist evil.

• Emphasizes urgency: “no more grace," time for strength and active self-defense.

Timestamps:

• [41:29–44:56] Crowder lays out his four-point plan for conservative action

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6. Institutional Responsibility and the Role of Educators

• Strong condemnation of educators “grooming a generation of psychopaths” by using Kirk’s assassination as a teaching tool to encourage hatred.
• Reports (with audio) of teachers and students openly wishing death upon Kirk’s family, or watching video of his murder with glee in classrooms.
• Suggests systematic rot in education and a deliberate campaign to desensitize and radicalize young people.

Timestamps:

• [57:55–60:44] Examples of educators and students celebrating or justifying Kirk’s murder

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Notable Quotes

• Crowder: "I am advocating for lawful violence defensively... I want righteous, lawful violence to replace mercy and grace where that is what existed before." (03:22)
• Crowder (on media lies): "It is not possible in the 21st century... to be in a right wing echo chamber. It's not a thing." (24:09)
• Josh Firestein: "They are trying to inspire someone to murder them. That is their objective. That is their intent." (45:06)
• Gerald: "This is not both sides. This is targeted violence against an ideology." (51:53)
• Crowder (on educators): "These teachers are not just sociopaths, ...they are actively trying to create an entire generation of psychopaths just like them." (58:18)
• Crowder: "Your anger is righteous. Your desire for justice... is not the same [as theirs]. That's to say that violence from the Nazis was the same as violence from people stopping Nazis. That's the rhetoric the left uses." (58:18)

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Key Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 03:00–06:30 | "Lawful, defensive violence" vs. endless grace | | 10:59–13:38 | Leftist celebration/dehumanization after Kirk's death| | 14:19–22:26 | Media/online disinformation, narrative control | | 22:26–32:13 | Facts about the shooter; poll misperceptions | | 41:29–44:56 | Crowder's four-point plan for action | | 51:53–54:07 | Gerald on "not both sides" argument | | 57:55–60:44 | Educators radicalizing students post-Kirk death |

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Memorable Moments

• Outrageous celebratory statements by left-wing personalities lampooned and condemned by Crowder ([10:59, 57:55]).
• Crowder's "no more grace" declaration: signals a hard break from past conservative restraint ([41:29–44:56]).
• Polling revealing massive confusion about killer's political leanings due to media spin ([26:41–27:20]).
• Explicit warnings to conservatives: Crowder urges self-defense and preparation due to persistent threats ([41:29–44:56]).

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Conclusion

This episode serves as a rallying cry for listeners, urging a complete reevaluation of the conservative response to political violence, with an emphasis on self-defense, confronting misinformation, and purging leftist “evil” from public life and institutions. Crowder and his panelists see the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination as a Rubicon-crossing moment that requires new, uncompromising tactics and total rejection of the “both sides” narrative.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Steven Crowder]

Hi. Welcome to the lineup live on rumble, 9am Eastern to 7pm Eastern. You don't need to change that dial. It's all free. And it's a collective of independent broadcasters, journalists, entertainers under one roof giving it all to you. And almost, if not all shows are number one in their time slot for a long time running. That's the power of you. We appreciate it. Download the app Also today, usually on Rumble, we raid over to Tim Pool, whoever's doing the show in the next hour. Today, Vice President J.D. vance will be filling in for Charlie Kirk. So we are going to raid and that means automatically send every last one of you at the bottom of the hour over to J.D. vance in Charlie Kirk's chair. And those of you who want to stay with us on Rumble Premium to ask some questions, great. But I would actually, I'd like to see that go down to zero on the extended show today. And you guys tuning into. I don't want to say JD I'm not that familiar with him, Vice President Vance, but you know, he's a J.D. a lot to get to. Today we're going to be talking about who maybe helped this assassin, this terrorist. There's some new evidence kind of coming out. I get that. It's hard to sort of parse through the fake news out there and the click bait and what's real. We're also going to do a claimed truth about the biggest lies about Charlie Kirk because they're being circulated now to try and paint him as an extremist to justify the cold blooded terrorist murder of him. And I want to ask you a question. I have a couple of words to say here. You've had the weekend. Are you less angry or more angry? Do you feel as though you've gotten the rest you need or is it the kind of tired that sleep doesn't seem to fix? Because that's where a lot of us are here. I know. And I want to say a couple of things. Last week, some words I think could be taken out of context. And I want to be really, really clear, especially while we're at this boiling point in our country where people may take some clips and tell you that Steven Crowder is irresponsible. He advocated violence. That's right. I am. I want to be crystal clear about that. I am advocating for lawful violence defensively. That has been abandoned for years and I want it to replace where grace was afforded before. So I want to be clear. I'm not calling for anyone to go out in the street and commit random Acts of violence or even targeted acts of violence. That is not what I am calling for. But I am calling for lawful violence to protect you and your own where you afforded grace to the left before. Now, what do I mean by that? Kyle Rittenhouse wouldn't have gotten anything other than a pat on the back and good shooting as a comment for what he did if all of us had been acting in self preservation the right way. The McCloskeys, I believe, was their name. Remember them in Missouri, protecting their own property with their own guns on their own porch. And they had to go through years of legal battles. That shouldn't be an outlier. It shouldn't be an outlier. It should be the norm. And you're going to see a highlight reel here that's going to make you really angry of people celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. Because I think it's important to know who your enemy is. There is no reasoning with these people. What I mean is, every single time someone threw a would be or sometimes was concrete milkshake at a change my mind table, every time someone picked up a rock and launched it at one of our heads, every time we got sucker punched, every time we got collar dragged, every time we got somebody coming up, throwing over the table or trying to tackle someone, it used to be, hey, hey, hey, calm down. Because a standard for those on the right is perfection as far as non violence. Now, the second someone raises their voice or comes in hot and they are told to knock it off because they're presenting a threat, I want righteous, lawful violence to replace mercy and grace where that is what existed before. These people are not afraid of you. They believe that they can act with complete impunity. And it doesn't need to get to the point of Charlie Kirk for another person or another person down the line. It doesn't end until they're afraid enough to keep their head down. It would be like you in your cargo shorts, I don't know, Tommy Bahama shirt, taking on somebody in a flak jacket, a riot helmet, in a panzer, in a tank. They are completely bulletproof. And you are exposed when you decide that, hey, we're going to just calm things down. We're going to cool temperatures and they are there to commit an act of violence. It is legal. You do not have to retreat. You have the right to protect you, your home, your vehicle, your person, your family. And I was thinking about this. There have been quite a few instances over the years where we, many people here have been the targets of violence. And we didn't react. I don't think you would blame anyone now, just like I wouldn't blame you. What I mean is treating these people, whether it's a Charlie Kirk type situation where you're out and you're expressing an opinion and it's a video or you're at a rally or you're at a conference, or you're in your. Whatever it could be, you could be in a general social setting where, because you know it's politically charged, you've applied a different standard. Meaning if someone came up to me or to you and your family at a dinner table and started screaming that you were a Nazi and a fascist and threw the glass at you, is there any world in which you would do anything other than beat them until the threat was eliminated? Tackle them, get the authorities? That's what I'm advocating for. Lawful protection of you and your own. Because I have sat across from, at this point, hundreds of people, and I've always said this. The change my mind, the idea behind it, the most important skill set is being able to find out whose minds you can change and who has bought into the lie or who has bought in so much to the narrative that they are willing to perpetuate the lie versus those whose minds can be changed. And you need to treat them differently. And now you need to treat those who are perpetuating the lie as the threat that they are. And that is within your legal right. The McCloskey shouldn't be in a. It shouldn't even be a story. It should be a footnote. Kyle Rittenhouse, a man shot at him, was raising a gun to him, and he shot his bicep. That's the kind of John Wick shooting that we don't think exists in the real world. And he shouldn't have had to wait for it to get that far, because you either wait and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait, or you end up with a situation like Charlie Kirk. Cal Rittenhouse could have gone very differently. Black lives. We've seen it go differently for people who aren't even public figures. Hey, we got a Trump supporter over here in Washington. Bang, point blank. Remember that? I want to see. Hey, we got a Trump supporter over here. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up. Is that a gun? Bang. And you hear, hey, man, I had to defend myself. He pointed a gun at my face because of my Trump cap. Don't take it. So am I advocating for violence? Yes. Lawful, defensive violence that has not been implemented because people, animals, have been afforded grace. And I don't believe that should be the case anymore. Let me give you some more examples here. We're going to get to quite a bit today. But the left continues to celebrate. The left continues to inspire more violence, but even then they continue to lie. They want to sow rancor within the conservative community. Even here's an example just hours I guess our experience here. Someone named Maya Luna, the apparent, I guess the CEO of Progress Libs put out this post. He over the weekend Steven Crider changed his bio to say number one conservative Daily show a day after Charlie was murdered. Lmfao that didn't happen. Just to be clear, this is designed to make you think that people are at odds who are not at odds. My biography on on X has said that since August of 2023. The number one conservative Daily Show Monday through Friday, 10am Eastern. It has been there since August. But if people, these awful evil demonic people can convince you that, I don't know, people are opportunists or people are denigrating the dead, well then guess what? Hey. Hey. It justifies acts of violence. Kind of like they did with Charlie Kirk. He was a Nazi. He was a fascist, right? Well what do you do with Nazis fascists? Well, you punch them. Hey, what do you do with wife abuser? Well, you punch them. It makes it a lot easier to vilify someone, to dehumanize someone. So this has been making the rounds and the problem is Grok, when asked, gave a very sort of confusing answer. It said yes. Verified sources confirmed Charlie Kirk was killed. Crowder's bio changed from the conservative Daily show on September 11th as shown in the screenshot. His current bio still says I don't know what that means, but this is something out there I want to clarify. This has been the same thing for a very long time. This Luna character also tried to write that our reporting last week on the casings was incorrect, that it's been debunked when it's been of course confirmed. The ATF report that it had anti fascist wording and supposed transgender wording which obviously could have been confusing to the ATF with the noticing bulge. It sort of references furry culture, but the fuck fascism is pretty clear. And what is this designed to do? Is designed to sow doubt in your mind. It's designed to make you feel so confused and shell shocked that you don't know what is true so that hopefully you go back to trusting those in positions of authority in our institutions, education, three letter agencies who've never gotten it right. So be very Careful with the news that you consume out there. We make all the references publicly available. There are people out there seeking to mislead you across the board. And look, when I say you can't reason with these people. And I am advocating for lawful, swift, instant defensive violence where grace has been afforded before, because you can't reason with these people. They hate you. Everything that you are. I'm talking about people. Well, not just like this, but partially like this.

[Josh Firestein]

Let me just say this. I'm surprised that y' all didn't get rid of him sooner. And I'm surprised that you guys aren't getting rid of more people. Like, don't stop with him. Don't let him be the end dog. Get rid of them all. I was not kidding when I said if you were gonna get the job done, there were two better candidates. He's dead, y'. All. Thank God. One down, couple more to go. When that happens, and it will, it will. Not only will we be insensitive, that'll be the least of your worries. But it's gonna be the biggest celebration. He's dead. He's dead. He's dead. Bye, Charlie Kirk. Bye, your homie dead. Hey, look at me. Look at me, everybody. Look. To every Zionist, every Christian Zionist, may you be just like that shop the target. All his followers. Just like the shop the target. It is not wrong or unethical or unkind to laugh at the misfortunes of terrible people. Charlie Kirk incited violence. You won't have to take out trash to get clean house like it is what it is. If the trash can is stinking up the house, you gotta take out the garbage. Did you see all that blood that came out of his body? It's got nothing to do with the people who are laughing and joking about him becoming a human water fountain. Seeing the flags of the United States.

[Steven Crowder]

Of America at half staff calling this.

[Josh Firestein]

Nation to honor and venerate a man who was an unapologetic racist and spent all of his life sowing seeds of division and hate into this land. As much as you want to play the oh, loving father didn't deserve that. Poor kids. I actually, genuinely believe that Charlie Kirk's children, especially his daughter, were. Would have been in more danger had his life continued on.

[Steven Crowder]

That's who you're facing. And we'll get to some recent polling. It is not a small contingency. And in case some of you are maybe shocked, it's been a little bit of a bucket of cold water. As far as the advocating of lawful defensive Violence. Some of you may be wondering, hey, this whole thing has been pretty tough on the soul and there was a little less levity last week. Are we still going to be addressing the evil leftism with out of bounds, poor taste, borderline comedy and material? Well, hit it on with the show.

[Josh Firestein]

Thanks to you, Tyler Robinson. I hope that you get inside your sound, that burning hell, a big screw. Tyler Robinson, your evil movement starting today and your boyfriend's game, you're both just gay.

[Steven Crowder]

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[Josh Firestein]

Sam.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, I want to say glad to be with you because we have. Yeah, that long cold open, but have a lot to get to. By the way, it's a live show, weekdays, 11am Eastern. Download the Rumble app. Follow me there. That's the best way to stay in touch because there's no way I could say what we are saying here on YouTube. That's why we left a long time ago. Rumble is actually now getting downloaded more than YouTube in the app store, so. Hey, glad to see everyone fighting back. Captain Morgan, CEO, how are you? Aside from Notre Dame losing, I have.

[Gerald]

Bigger problems in the world than that.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. Yeah. But that's a pretty big one for you.

[Gerald]

I'm glad to be back.

[Steven Crowder]

It still bothers you, though.

[Gerald]

It does a little bit.

[Steven Crowder]

You like it? It does bother you, right? It's okay.

[Josh Firestein]

A little bit.

[Gerald]

I get it.

[Steven Crowder]

It's okay. I get that. It should be less significant in your life than it is. It's not that significant. And Friday, Saturday, September 26th, 27th, at Cap City Comedy Club in Austin, Texas. Go see him. Show him you love him. Mr. Josh Firestein. How are you, sir?

[Josh Firestein]

I'm good.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I'm good.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah. Just thinking about violence.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know, I don't know if you know this, but our forefathers mostly thought about violence.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, they thought about it a lot. They were violent, crazy people.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. They were thinking, hey, how do we need to use violence to take stuff? And then once they thought that they no longer needed to, they're going, do we? Well, now we need to use violence to make sure people don't take our stuff.

[Josh Firestein]

They can only shoot one shot at a time.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, before that we even go to swords. But yes, when we talk about muskets. Yeah, that's. Give me a bow and arrow in that scenario.

[Gerald]

That's true.

[Steven Crowder]

Over a musket. I would Take the bow and arrow.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, definitely. You want to be able to repeat shots.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. Yeah. Otherwise, you know, you just have to wait for them. Like, hopefully they'll stay still. And the Brits did.

[Josh Firestein]

But all the other guys would make fun of you. They'd be like, look at bow and arrow guy.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I know. That's where I have to put.

[Josh Firestein]

Robin Hood is going to win the revolution.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. That's where you have to put your ego aside and kill a lot of redcoats. Now, last night, before we get to the update on the killer, and I know people won't say his name, I will, because it's important. I think people are going to remember this killer, and I think we need to remember him as the evil manifestation of the modern left that he is. The cat's out of the bag. We know his name. Charlie Kirk is far more important in his legacy than the killer. But the legacy that has been imprinted now because of the way the left has been acting for decades is important as well. Before we get to that, last night, I know you probably weren't thinking about this, but the left was. It was the 77th Primetime Emmy Awards. Yeah, we call them the Emmys, but it's actually officially the Primetime Emmy Awards. And as far as I know, there was no mention of Charlie Kirk. People can correct me if I was wrong here.

[Gerald]

That's what's been reported.

[Steven Crowder]

You'd think that, you know, for a land of artists who are the advocates and fighters for free speech, as beautiful and brave as they are, that they would honor someone who at least embodied it. But no, they went about as you'd expect. And that's why we want to ask for a commercial and diplomatic blockage and sanctions on Israel to stop this genocide. Free Palestine.

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, are you allowed to do grayface? Finally. I just want to say. I just want to say finally. Go Birds, guys. And free Palestine. Thank you. I realize that in some ways we were doing a late night comedy show about loss, and that's related to love. Because sometimes you only truly know how much you love something when you get a sense that you might be losing it.

[Steven Crowder]

You must really love bad ratings.

[Josh Firestein]

September of 2025, my friends. I have never loved my country more desperately.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. And f ice. Free Palestine. F ice. So, actually, after the award show, Hannah Einbinder, I believe is her name doubled down on her comments at a table outside. Yep. Well, hey. Hey.

[Gerald]

Wow.

[Steven Crowder]

Wow.

[Josh Firestein]

Well, that's one way to say f.

[Steven Crowder]

Ice more slaves than ever on Earth in recorded history. Over 50 million slaves. How do you think that happens? Open borders? How do you think it happens? Because people are free to commit acts of violence and human trafficking unfettered by the rule of law. But these people don't care. They're surrounded by security. That night, those people at the Emmys have no idea, no idea what it is like to sit down at a table surrounded by enemies. No clue. If they did, they'd look at the world a whole lot differently. But they never will.

[Gerald]

Yeah, they're not going to get right on that. By the way. There was something kind of funny. There was, I think in a five out of the six nominees or something like that for one of them were women. The sixth one was a man. And the person was saying, like, isn't it great that we have so many women in here? And the man won, I think. Hilarious.

[Josh Firestein]

I think one of the women was not so woman as well.

[Gerald]

I think you might be right.

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, I don't want to be. I don't want to be mean because it could be just an unfortunate looking woman.

[Steven Crowder]

That's a problem. They don't get the crazy.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, they don't anymore. You're like, I'm sorry, but if you're.

[Steven Crowder]

A big woman, it's like right away, I'm looking to the size of the knuckles. Could they crack a lobster? You're just, you're transitioning. Sorry.

[Gerald]

Where's Ricky Gervais when we need him? Just go back and tell them again.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, don't do anything up here. Yeah, it would have been great. Well, let's. So we do have some updates that as of this morning, and there's news that's still unfolding. The killer, Charlie Kirk's killer, is refusing to confess. He's refusing to work with authorities. But if you want to know where we line up right now today with Tyler Robinson, here it is again.

[Josh Firestein]

A big screw you, Tyler Robinson. I hope that you get inside yourself then burning hell. A big screw you, Tyler Robinson. Your evil movements starting today. And your boyfriend's gay. You're both just gay.

[Steven Crowder]

And by the way, that's no small thing. They are both just gay. Just to be clear, this is, this is what happens. The fact that we in 2020, that the media is debating and we'll get to the fact that some people think this person is right wing. I'll give you a rundown. The fact that they're talking about this young man, person's roommate who is a biological male, who he is in a romantic relationship with, but he's transitioning. She's like So I guess he's heteronormative in it. No, no, no. You're gay. You're having sex with a man who wants to at some point in the future claim that they're a woman. You don't get out of this on a I'm not gay in the future iou. That's not how it works. It's gay any other time in history. Hey, are you a man? Yeah. Your roommate, is that your lover? Yes. Is he a man? Yes. You're gay.

[Josh Firestein]

Gay. Oh, he's not gay. He's just attracted to feminine penis.

[Steven Crowder]

Right, exactly. That's the gaslighting that has been taking place where you've been made to feel crazy, where they want to tell you, no, wait, you're Nazi, you're a fascist, you're a racist. So actually you've been fomenting violence. By the way, this man who has sex with men, if you say that he's gay, that's more hateful then, you know, murder. So let me give you a few key facts here.

[Josh Firestein]

We don't need to love prison.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

They'Re not dressed up.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't put enough makeup and wigs in prison.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And they don't ask for consent.

[Josh Firestein]

I haven't been to prison. Maybe they do dress up well. No, no, no.

[Gerald]

Here's what, you send him to an all women prison. That's hell for him.

[Steven Crowder]

That's actually a good point.

[Gerald]

The right hole in sight.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Josh Firestein]

And also, also I believe he's only attracted to white men.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

So he's also, so there's, there's going to be that problem.

[Steven Crowder]

That is a problem because his penis is a member of the Aryan Brotherhood. So, so key facts here, because again, this is what happened, what happens, everything gets convoluted. The shooter is a leftist. The shooter is gay, lived with and had a relationship with a man who claims he's transitioning. The shooter, just to be clear, is not a groiper, which is a myth that has been going around. The left has been trying to paint this terrorist as a right wing Trump supporter. And you see some of these posts up in front of you. We'll make all the references available. They have millions upon millions of views, impressions, and unfortunately it might be working. I also want to clarify one thing here too. People will talk about echo chambers on both sides. Not only does violence not exist on both sides, anyone who says that people on the right are in an echo chamber is someone who immediately is to be discounted. It is not possible in the 21st century, at any point in the 21st century to be in a right wing echo chamber. It's not a thing. It's not possible. You would have to have no tv, you would have to have no social media. You would have to not watch any films, listen to any mainstream bands. You would have to not attend any university or any public school, in most cases, private school.

[Josh Firestein]

Not to mention, if it was an echo chamber, it would be an aggressive echo chamber that challenges your every single word.

[Steven Crowder]

Exactly. It's not the same. In other words, someone can go through this world if they have liberal parents, okay? They go to public school, they go to university, they tune into abc, NBC, cbs, cnn, msnbc, even Fox News to a degree. They can set their favorite tabs on their computer. They can go to Facebook and never be challenged on meta and YouTube. Never be challenged because they're shown the kind of content that they want. The left today can be in an echo chamber for proof. You can see how vitriolic they are, how hateful they are by going to Reddit or these places. It is not possible to be in a right wing echo chamber in 2025 or 2005. I've been here long enough. It's not a thing.

[Josh Firestein]

Did people in 2005 on the right disagree as much as they do today on the right? Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, within the right, yeah. You always had a libertarian faction and then kind of more of a traditional conservative faction. But no, not as much as.

[Josh Firestein]

See a lot of comments and posts this weekend of people going like, oh, the right. Yeah, of course it was somebody on the right. They can't agree on anything. They all hate each other.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, there is some truth.

[Josh Firestein]

And then the echo chamber comments as well. It's like, make up your mind.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And then the kind of comments that people say we changed our bio and that the. Because people are going after clicks. That's what happens. So here's. Here's the recent poll that shows the results of this. A YouGov online poll survey asked people what political affiliation the shooter had. Okay, so 21% said Democrat. 40% said not sure, 24% said Republican. 24% of people polled online by YouGov believe that this shooter, this trans radicalized leftist shooter, sleeping with trans. I guess we have to be careful, right? With that caveat, which. Let's just. Gay. Gay. You're gay. 24% believe that this shooter was a radicalized Republican. Which, by the way, was documented. The representative of said group here. I'm retarded. That kid didn't deserve that.

[Gerald]

No, he didn't deserve that.

[Steven Crowder]

Poor guy.

[Josh Firestein]

But he's a very successful actor. He's done a lot of things.

[Steven Crowder]

It's so much worse than it was in run through.

[Josh Firestein]

You asked for a change, you got it.

[Steven Crowder]

24% believe this shooter was Republican.

[Gerald]

So stupid.

[Steven Crowder]

That shows you how not just hateful and dangerous and violent the left is. They don't care about the truth. You cannot discuss issues rationally with people who don't care about the truth who as a matter of fact, have an aversion, an allergy to the truth. Let me prove it to you. Key fact number one, Robinson is very clearly a leftist. Okay. Just to be clear, the governor confirmed it, that it was different from the family. And I believe this clip is the roommate or is a neighbor.

[Josh Firestein]

No, this isn't the neighbor.

[Steven Crowder]

Just grab me the. All right.

[Gerald]

The neighbor that saw them.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, yeah. Is this. Is this what? Well, let's just go to this. This is the governor first. Okay. Sorry. We're still kind of flying by the seat of our pants here a little bit because we're double checking all the information. Here is the Utah governor who has been a disappointment to many, but Spencer Cox was very, very clear that this shooter is a leftist. It's confirmed.

[Josh Firestein]

Anything new on the investigation?

[Steven Crowder]

You say he admitted that confessed.

[Josh Firestein]

No, not again. He has not confessed to authorities. He is not cooperating, but all the people around him are cooperating. And I think that's very important. There were reports yesterday that we can confirm that his roommate was indeed a boyfriend who is transitioning from male to female.

[Steven Crowder]

That's.

[Josh Firestein]

That's information that the FBI had had mentioned yesterday. We can confirm that as well. And that, that. That he is cooperating with.

[Steven Crowder]

With authorities as well. Yeah. Also, there was confirmation that Robinson said to family members that Kirk was, quote, full of hate, was spreading hate. And the slogans on the bullet casings, the round casings, hey, fascist, catch, bella, ciao. Which is an Italian anti fascist slogan. And then there was the notices bulge comment. And the reason this is important is because we had the internal memo that was leaked from someone there under the umbrella of DOJ atf. We brought that to you early on. And some people now are trying to say, well, that wasn't that because the. Well, yeah, it has the anti fascist stuff, which no one could have known had we not brought you that leak. And I still, again, Jay, is the best to ever do it. Our undercover journalists send your tips. Continue to all of them been protected. Fascist, obviously. Correct. If you want to argue the minutiae that notices bulge and the gay stuff wasn't outwardly trans. Okay? That's still the memo that was circulated. And again, it matters because at that point in time, you had no information, and the shooter was still out there. So knowing that this shooter shares the ideology, could be a part of antifa, and has a radicalized leftist ideology at that point in time was not only something of value, it was necessary. Because many of you were about to go to church, many of you are going to be in public settings. Many of you were still on the menu. To be clear, here's another key fact. Not only was he a leftist, he was gay and entrenched in the lgbtqaaip. Plus, they want us to say that unironically. See how far we've gone. Subculture. So Governor Cox told the media that this was the case, and it was confirmed by this probably most awesome ever neighbor.

[Josh Firestein]

There's some published reports out there that this individual, the roommate, may have been transitioning. Did that correlate with what you saw? Yeah, definitely.

[Steven Crowder]

And they were kissing?

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah. Do you know where. Where did you see them kissing? Just coming out. I was riding with my bike, so I didn't see the whole thing, but, yeah, they were. I saw them. But you assured that they were a couple but only seen them together once. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the way. I mean, random guys don't hold hands and definitely don't kiss.

[Steven Crowder]

That's correct. Awesome neighbor.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah. He had to tell the female reporter how men operate.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly.

[Josh Firestein]

Had no idea.

[Steven Crowder]

But that's the whole thing, right? That's how far we've gone. They hold you to a different standard. Right. 24%, meaning more people, according to the YouGov poll, believe this shooter was Republican than Democrat or don't know or neither. The most likely answer of the two parties is they believe this person was a Republican because it's the same people who say, well, how do you know that they were a couple? You just saw them making out and grabbing each other's crotches once. Yeah, that's enough.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah. It could have been a dare, man.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, could have been a dare anywhere else.

[Josh Firestein]

Any.

[Steven Crowder]

Any other scenario. You go, oh, yeah, yeah, I guess he's dating that guy. You go, why? Well, because he was grabbing him and he was kissing him, and they were walking around holding hands. Oh, I guess they're an item.

[Josh Firestein]

I think they're dating. Why do you think so? Well, if they aren't, that's sexual assault.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think because they had their tongues down Each other's throats. And I said, hey, that's two men with each other's tongues in their mouths. They must be a thing.

[Josh Firestein]

What else did you see? I don't know. I had to go back and take care of something.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I just heard moaning. Utah leftist, gay. And the media wants you to believe. Was it Krassenstein tried to say since the guy was transitioning, he's a heterosexual male? That's the guy.

[Gerald]

Technically, that person is now a woman. And so he's just a straight guy.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm like, okay, yeah, well, on my weight loss journey, I'm just going to call myself skinny.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go. This is.

[Josh Firestein]

This is transitioning.

[Steven Crowder]

And if you don't play by these. And if you don't play by these rules, it's genocide. You're denying their existence? No, no, I'm not denying the existence of what it is you claim to want to be. I'm acknowledging the existence of cock and balls right there, right now.

[Gerald]

Yes. And crazy up in the head.

[Steven Crowder]

Why do you deny the existence of the wiener and balls? Why? Why are you denying the existence of the penis?

[Josh Firestein]

So they'll tell you. Why you obsessed with it?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, why are you obsessed with it?

[Josh Firestein]

Why are you obsessed with my genitalia?

[Steven Crowder]

Because you told me that it was a woman and I see a penis. Confused. Yeah. It seems to me like you place too much emphasis. No, no, because you said it's not there. And it is there. It's like if someone says, hey, by the way, there is no white Jeep Cherokee on the street right in front of you in that street. And you look and you go, oh. Oh, shit. White Jeep Cherokee. You're like, yeah, there is one. Why are you making. Why are you making a big deal out of it? Well, I didn't. You came up to me and said. I wasn't even looking for it. You said, there's no white Jeep Cherokee. And I turn and it's right there. Yeah. You're obsessed with Jeep Cherokees. What are you? A Jeep Cherokee? What the hell's happening? What is this?

[Josh Firestein]

Start revving.

[Steven Crowder]

You're Jeep, white Cherokee phobic. All right, here's key fact number three. Because the left, and this is important, because Charlie Kirk was a moderate by most. I wouldn't say moderate. I would say he was consistently conservative. But in his form of rhetoric, compared to others, compared to people here, we definitely are a little more overzealous, you would say, more aggressive. They took his life anyway. They took his life anyway. I hope you guys are understanding. That. So in order to try and distance themselves, the left, their ideology, which has bred this cancerous evil that needs to be cut out of this country. And I mean, that they try and convince you. No, no. Well, actually, this shooter, the reason he's so hateful is that he's more right than Charlie Kirk. This was actually the work of the Groipers, and you'll hear that term quite a bit. Here's Bill Maher being stupid. Remember this next time he says something you like, I'm hearing he may have been part of that group for whom Charlie Kirk was not right wing enough.

[Josh Firestein]

You mean the Groipers? Yes, I mean, so that would.

[Steven Crowder]

That you're sure he's not that.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm not sure that he's not that. No.

[Steven Crowder]

A minute ago you were sure he was.

[Josh Firestein]

Hold on, hold on, Bill, hold on. Okay. Because I've been. You were. The extreme high likelihood, given the fact that he said to his family that Charlie Kirk was too hateful is that he was not a groper.

[Steven Crowder]

Because the Gripers would have said that.

[Josh Firestein]

Charlie wasn't hateful enough.

[Steven Crowder]

Right, See, there you go.

[Josh Firestein]

No applause to that.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, yeah, no, no applause to that. And the Telegraph wrote, in the uk, Charlie Kirk suspect spoke the language of the far right.

[Gerald]

What's that?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, he spoke it between. Between French kissing his male trans boyfriend.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

In the uk, the language of the far right is English.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And there. There are many, many posts with. With tens, potentially hundreds of millions of views calling Robinson a Groiper. And by the way, if I've at any point accidentally said Tommy Robinson, just please know it's just a mistake. I don't think I have. I don't think so. Okay.

[Josh Firestein]

They're very close.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, they're very close.

[Josh Firestein]

You're probably gonna do it now, though.

[Steven Crowder]

I know it's gonna be. Now, let me be clear because I can tell you this firsthand. I have had firsthand experience with the Gripers. So Gripers is a fan group that was, at least, as far as I know, led by Nick Fuentes, and they are Christian white nationalists. You would see them and immediately think they're radically anti Semitic. Yeah, they're right wing in the sense, they're anti lgbtq. I actually. They would follow us to not just change my minds, but events, if I was even doing standup. And they would try and show up for Q and A's and try and sort of get. Try and sort of swarm you with a gotcha entrap. Ya. And they took us off their hit list once. They were embarrassed a long time ago. They are far worse than Nick Fuentes himself. I will say I don't hold Nick Fuentes responsible for everything that the gripers do. But there's a reason a lot of people don't want to hope host Nick Fuentes. Because if you do, you get swatted, you get doxed. Because these people are very unstable, this fan base, they are very radical. And I don't even necessarily know that they're right wing so much as they simply want to be rabble rousers. That's what they're trying to tell you now. And that's why 24% of people out there believe that this shooter was a Republican. They're still lying now because guess what, if they get right there, you have a quarter of the country and you have a huge portion who say, I don't know. So let's round this out. By the end of this, you might have 30, you might have 35% of the country who believe that this shooter was a radicalized right wing extremist. Well, the reason that matters is because this is the manifestation. This is not a byproduct. This is the perfect soldier as molded and engineered by the left. And I have been here, I have been on YouTube since 2008 doing at least outwardly political content. Several years before that, just doing random sketches and comedy. I have seen the grooming, I have seen the radical ideology, I have seen the calls to action. This is the direct result. And so if they can convince a portion of the country that the monster they created is actually a byproduct of the right of Maga, of President Trump, then they can continue to justify more violence against you. Why? Because they've convinced a portion of this country that even this horrible, life altering act of violence was the fault of the right wing. Just like they said, hey, the genocide, the racism, the cops hunting young black men is that's actually the net result of people like Charlie Kirk, of people like you and me. They're still pushing the lie so that they can set the stage to justify more violent violence moving forward. And then they will blame it on you. Are you starting to get the picture? They will blame you anyway. They will, they will round you up like cattle, they'll put you like fish in a barrel so that they can take all of you out, as many of you as possible. And then they'll say that you were the one who pulled the trigger. Don't allow them to round you up, fight right away. Just like with the mugger we've told you, hey, someone wants your wallet, someone wants your watch, give it to them. If they tell you to get on your knees, you fight right now. If they tell you to get out of a public place and go into an alley, you fight right now. You have to do that with the left. If they just want to say, you suck, I hate you, fine. But if they start to escalate, they start to ask you to get to your knees, if it's raising their voice, calling you a fascist, calling you a Nazi, fermenting hatred to the gang of people. There, we see how that ends up. Put a stop to it now. I am advocating for lawful protective violence. That should be one of your tools legally at your disposal as a. As a God fearing American in this country. And instead, you've offered grace. No more grace. They're still trying to convince you that this shooter is a radical right wing Republican. People believe that. They believe that Charlie Kirk got what he deserved. He didn't get what he deserved. And nor have you been in the way you've been treated. He got what the left wanted to deliver, and now they want to change the information on the sender. Don't let him do it. Key fact number four. This shooter, this gay, radical, liberal homo will never have a chance to refinance his home.

[Josh Firestein]

Now, don't make me come back here. So come back here. You know what it is, Josh?

[Steven Crowder]

Where's my money? American Financing restructured that loan. You're supposed to be handing me my money. Here. Here's my jar. 20%.

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, you got the jar?

[Steven Crowder]

That's right.

[Josh Firestein]

The. Out of here, Steven. Oh. Oh. What you doing, Stephen? Huh? What you gonna do, huh? You gonna shoot me in front of everybody? Huh? Come on.

[Steven Crowder]

What are you guys doing in here? Was the American Gangster parody for American Financing.

[Josh Firestein]

No.

[Gerald]

No. They're never gonna go for that, man. Not gonna happen.

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, you know what? He's right. We need to make it more ethnically accurate.

[Steven Crowder]

Ethnic. We could. We could go more ethnic. No, no, no, no, no, no. Just shut it down.

[Gerald]

We're not doing it, guys.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, I got some shoe polish in my office.

[Josh Firestein]

Nice.

[Steven Crowder]

Is it kiwi? It's kiwi. Yeah. It's a neutral.

[Josh Firestein]

That's good stuff.

[Steven Crowder]

It's tasteful. It won't be.

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, you know, I get shiny.

[Steven Crowder]

It won't be over the top. 20%. Gerald.

[Gerald]

Is that thing loaded?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. Yes. Really?

[Josh Firestein]

Huh?

[Steven Crowder]

Don't lose out on your cut of the action. Go to American Finance.net Crowder or call 800-974-65-00 today. All right? On average, customers are saving over $800 a month. That's right. NMLS 182334. That's right. That's right. There's a segue. Hey, Toolman, if I want to do something right now, can you just hit numbers like 1, 2, 3, 4. Just follow me as I go.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, the.

[Steven Crowder]

No, I'm just gonna hit. Yeah, but just start back at 1, 2, 3, 4. Okay, so look, I want to be really clear. Sometimes, people, it's tough to come up with solutions. I'm gonna give you a solution to this problem moving forward, okay? We're going to get to people saying, tone down the rhetoric. And we're going to get to the educators who are encouraging children to watch this video and to believe that Charlie Kirk or you are a fascist. All right? Here's how you deal with this, okay? Number one, set your mind to protection, including violence. Number one. Okay? You do that in your personal life. Again, lawful, protective, hair trigger defense. Understand that? Don't. I don't want to see any more of you physically, and I don't even mean shot dead. I don't want to see any more of you harmed. I don't want to see any more of you hit with rocks, milkshakes, concrete or strawberry, vanilla. Don't care. Okay? Number two, we need to petition our representatives, those in government, to label antifa Black Lives Matter terrorist organizations. I have been championing this since 2019, okay? They need to be recognized as domestic terror threats. If the left wants you to believe that. White guys, period, just white guys. That's the only qualifier. White men in this country are domestic terrorists, okay? Certainly those who actively take part in leftist organizations. Let's start with antifa and Black Lives Matter. Number three, have a family, coach your family, teach your family, have these conversations at the dinner table. If you can, get them out of public school, homeschool them, get them in private school by any means necessary. Keep them as far away from the propagandizing institutions as humanly possible. And four, identify those whose minds you can change. Talk with them. This is a real opportunity. I hate to even say that, but right now I've seen a lot of people, I've had a lot of friends say, I have friends I'll never speak with again because they were justifying the Charlie Kirk death. People who don't talk to me about politics have said, you know what? I went off on my friend the other day. He said, well, if Charlie Kirk wasn't spewing hate, I just Lost my crap and I hung up on him. Good, good. Learn the minds and hearts that you can shape. You can influence and cut those who are evil and seek to do evil out of your life. Set your mind to defense, violence if necessary. Domestic terror organizations. We need to do that. Have a family. Focus on your family. Keep them away from institutions and then in your personal interactions. Don't waste time on the evil. Call it out for the evil that it is. And spend the time on people who've maybe been misled. That's what you do. Those are the first four steps. I'll probably come up with more. So I'm very happy to see that Stephen Miller in the face of the left now, and everyone's saying, tone down the rhetoric, that he's taking no prisoners. And you know what? President Trump, too. I was very nervous that President Trump would say, you know, this is both sides, and right now we just need to let cooler heads prevail. No, I like seeing that these people are fighting because guess what, you're in a fight anyway, whether you like it or not. They took Charlie Kirk's life and he's the most peaceful. Who's been among us? Play well.

[Josh Firestein]

The problem is on the left. When you look at the problems, the problem is on the left. It's not on the right like some people like to say, on the right. The problem we have is on the left. And when you look at the agitators, you look at the scum that speaks so badly of our country, the American flag burnings all over the place, that's the left, that's not the right. We'll see. We'll be announcing. They're already under investigation. You know, they're already under major investigation. A lot of the people that you would traditionally say are on the left, they're already under investigation. Already under investigation. When you see these organized, doxing campaigns where the left calls people enemies of the republic, calls them fascists, says they're Nazis, says they're evil, says they have to be removed, and then prints their addresses, what do you think they're trying to do? They are trying to inspire someone to murder them. That is their objective. That is their intent. Under President Trump's leadership, I don't care how, it could be a RICO charge, a conspiracy charge, conspiracy against the United States insurrection, but we are going to do what it takes to dismantle the organizations and the entities that are fomenting riots, that are doxxing, that are trying to inspire terrorism and that are committing acts of wanton violence.

[Steven Crowder]

Absolutely and like I said, this is not a byproduct. This is the feature of the left's propagandizing and their control of the institutions. And we'll get to the montage, in case you've forgotten, of the leftists calling for continued violence. But having experienced this firsthand many times and some really close calls, I have been telling you since at least 2019 that Antifa, Black Lives Matter, they need to be designated as terrorist organizations. I think now those of you who agreed, they're finally going to hear you. Does antifa fit this definition? Absolutely. Not only do they fit the definition, keep in mind, terrorism, you don't necessarily have to commit violence. You have to instill terror. Antifa obviously does that. And then they go one step further and actually commit acts of violence.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

So they're. They're a terrorist organization. Plus. Plus, we're wrapped for right now. It's gonna get too dangerous. Yep. And then we had the Black Lives Matter as a terrorist organization. There's a whole chain of mine. You can go back and watch it. We had a sign ready for Antifa, and we couldn't do it because they terrorized the table and anyone who was willing to sit down. It's not just that they terrorize the people who speak and invite conversation. They terrorize the portion of America who may even lean left but are willing to engage in a conversation. That's what screaming Nazi, fascist, racist does. And the enablers. I don't ever want to hear fringe left again, ever. Because you can't find me a single national figure in the Democratic Party in this country in the last 10 years who didn't, at least on three separate occasions and have counted either condone or enable directly violence. This is the culmination of decades of work, and it's not an accident.

[Josh Firestein]

It's a very delicate balancing act. Because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars.

[Steven Crowder]

And the other, you know, things that.

[Josh Firestein]

Were going on, we also gave those.

[Steven Crowder]

Who wished to destroy space to do that as well.

[Josh Firestein]

If you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back.

[Steven Crowder]

Mob. They didn't create a mob.

[Josh Firestein]

Tell them they're not welcome.

[Steven Crowder]

I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I.

[Josh Firestein]

Want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. I just don't even know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be. They asked me what I like to debate. I said no. I said, we're in high school. I take you guys to gym and be to hell.

[Steven Crowder]

This is a movement.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm telling you, they're not going to stop. And everyone beware because they're not going to stop.

[Steven Crowder]

It is going to.

[Josh Firestein]

They're not going to stop before election.

[Steven Crowder]

Day in November and they're not going to stop after election day. Yeah, they've been doing that for years. And I could show you more. Then they send a message right now because they've been caught. Oh. To tone down the violence. Hey, let's, let's cool. Temperatures in messaging that is veiled paper thin and frankly seems disingenuous.

[Josh Firestein]

Each and every man under my Command owes me 100 Nazi scalps. And I want my scalps. And all y' all will get me 100 Nazi scalps taken from the heads of 100 dead Nazis or you will die trying.

[Steven Crowder]

But they're toning it down.

[Gerald]

Absolutely.

[Steven Crowder]

I know you had something that you wanted to talk. Sorry. And I think we'll probably do the. Should we do the myths that people are perpetuated about Charlie Kirk tomorrow? Maybe. Because maybe we want to tune in and see what JD bank says.

[Gerald]

I think we definitely want to tune in. So yeah, let's keep the myths, you know, little claimed truth that we have for you guys. I wanted to go back to one thing that was said about the pastors and then I want to come back to this both sides things because I've had this conversation several times with people that I might not have this conversation with normally to see where they're coming from. But the pastor stood up and said that Charlie Kirk spent his entire life being a racist and sowing seeds of division in this country. So let me just start with the last part. Sowing seeds of division. That is essentially in this country. Pastor, your job, because the culture is anti God, you are supposed to sow truth and love and compassion, which will be antithetical to everything that this society is for which will create divide. Christ said, I did not come to unite. You are going to have evil, you are going to have good. That doesn't mean that the purpose is division. It means that truth is divisive. Secondly, he was not being racist when he said that per capita in the 1950s in the Jubilee surrounded they pulled up the tape from this that he was saying that in the 1950s, per capita black people were better off than they are today. And why is that? Maybe because 75% of the fathers aren't there in the black household. And we can talk about why that is. But you can't tell me they're doing better today than they were then. That's what they're taking. That is a pastor in a church saying that flags shouldn't be flown at half mast to honor this man because he said, just because of how you die or something to the effect of how you die does not negate how you lived. Now let's do George Floyd. What'd you say when he died?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Did you say the same thing? Did you stand up and say that we shouldn't be kneeling in the halls of Congress for this serial offender who went out on a bender, essentially? I doubt you said that. I don't think that was a problem that you brought up to your congregation, so. And I'm a little bit pissed off about this because we should have better representation here. You can say a lot of things from the pulpit. Those are not the things to say to try to stir up your audience. So going to the both sides conversation. This is not both sides. No, this is not both sides. This is targeted violence against an ideology. And they're saying, okay, well, what about what happened in Minneapolis? We sat here and said, that is horrific what happened in Minneapolis. There's evidence on both sides for what this guy could have believed. I have no idea why it happened. You didn't see Republicans cheering the death of these people. That did not happen. Didn't happen here. What happens when we allow both sides is there's only one side that when we give in, they get everything they want. They get open borders, they get child trafficking numbers that just would boggle the mind. 300 plus thousand children going missing, being sold into slavery most likely, or just being forced into indentured servitude when. When they get everything they want, get all economic policies and you're like, oh, maybe that's good, maybe that's bad. Well, when it breaks a country, it's pretty bad.

[Steven Crowder]

Yep.

[Gerald]

It's not a good idea to do that when. When they get what they want because we back down. It's men and women's sports, it's children being trans. It's children being removed from their parents arms because they don't agree with the trans ideology. And setting up a trans safety zone for them in Minneapolis, that's what happens. This is not both sides of this situation. I don't want to have to go and jump in the streets and get violent and neither do any of my friends here. But at some point they want the opposite of this country. And so we have to push back. Don't let the both sides take the fire out of your belly, but don't let the frustration make you go out and do something that we don't believe in in the first place.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. Here's what I'll tell you. Very well said, Gerald. I'll tell you the truth. I went to church this Sunday and I left early. And I'm never going to misuse this, where people say panic attack. I've had three panic attacks in my life. I can tell you when I had them. People often misuse it. But there was a creeping anxiety with people coming in and seeing people at the pulpit, seeing people exposed, knowing that you're in a crowded place that you can't control. I went through this. And you know, of course what happens if you're a public figure. People may try and tell you that you're paranoid or you're agoraphobic. No, it's a legitimate fear and I'm gonna have to work on that. I know that. A lot of us are. But I'll tell you this. You can't take away the fear. The left has been effective with that. They have been effective with that. They have made you afraid to speak your mind. You need to speak. You need to be a disciple. Anyway, you can't take away the fear, but you can make them just as afraid. And I don't mean by going out and assassinating anyone. I mean you can make them just as afraid because right now they're not. They're not afraid to come up and tear your sign down. They're not afraid to come up and scream in your face and hit you and whack you with a stick or a snare drum or a rock or a milkshake. You can make them. You can make them just as afraid as you are to go out and speak publicly. You can at least make them just as afraid to screw with you while you do it. And I know that doesn't fix everything, but it helps. There's a huge portion of the left right now, and I would say majority, that is full on evil, period. It is a death cult. It is a death cult. Their solution to all of the issues that matter. Life, Abortion. Kill. No restrictions. Not one, not one candidate, dnc, not one national candidate would put any restrictions on abortion, including two up until birth, taxpayer funded, period. Kill people. Skyrocket energy costs. Make it so that we can curb the population. How do you deal with people who disagree with you? Call them fascists, call them Nazis, call them racist. Say genocide. Everything to them is death. And here's a new YouGov poll. It asks, do you generally consider it to be acceptable or unacceptable for a person to be happy about the death of a public figure they oppose? Okay, here are the ANSWERS. Always unacceptable. Republicans, 77% said always unacceptable, 38% of Democrats. That means that a significant majority of Democrats answered anything other than unacceptable to celebrating the death of a public figure they oppose. Both sides, 77% of Republicans. It's the closest sort of analog we have for conservative. I know not all Republicans are conservative. Overwhelming majority of Republicans said it's always unacceptable. Only 38% of Democrats. It's not fringe. It's not fringe. It's the majority. Otherwise you wouldn't be this scared. Then you can point to more examples like the Oxford Union president. George was his name. I don't even care about it. George. George the prick. He said, Charlie Kirk got shot. Let's effing go. Here's that pro Hamas punk rock rapper, whatever his name, Bob Villain, celebrating. And this is going to make you mad, but you need to see these people for who they are. The worst group is educators. And I'm going to get to a highlight reel. Here is Bob Villain out there celebrating Charlie Kirk's death. It should disgust you.

[Josh Firestein]

I want to dedicate this next one.

[Steven Crowder]

To an absolute piece of a human being.

[Josh Firestein]

The pronouns was were. Because if you chat, you will get banged. Rest in peace, Johnny. Catholic piece of.

[Steven Crowder]

Hmm. That left will tell you that you're just as bad as him for wanting to see him get his ass beaten. You're not. Your anger is righteous. Your desire for justice, for violence and someone who celebrates and perpetuates violence, it's not the same. That's to say that violence from the Nazis was the same as violence from people stopping Nazis. That's the rhetoric that the left uses. I'm going to use a language they understand. Not all violence is morally equivalent. And I will say this, people say political violence is never the answer. Well, the left doesn't believe that. And when you are dealing with an opponent who sees it as the most readily available, viable option, you don't have to treat it that way, but you have to see it as an option. You have to understand that it is an option because it's always there for them. It's always there for them. And if you act like it's never there for you, then they can go to that option completely unfettered. And that's what we have seen. And even worse than some guy who deserves to get his ass beat. By the way, I do it for charity. Yours truly, educators. These people are not just sociopaths, not just psychopaths, these teachers, but the teachers who are showing the footage to their students and telling them that Charlie Kirk deserved it. They are trying to desensitize, they are trying to groom, and they are actively trying to create an entire generation of psychopaths just like them. I think we'll be cutting on the hour to send you to J.D. vance in Charlie Kirk's chair. If you want to continue with us after that, you can join Rumble Premium. Please do. Many of you did last week. It's the only thing that allows us to keep doing what we are doing. We appreciate it. But I would like to see as many of you go over to Vice President Vance filling in for Charlie today. Let's go to this montage of people wanting to raise a generation of psychopaths just like them pre K through college. Your teachers, the real heroes, they're mourning a literal fascist who hated gay people and minorities and spent every waking moment at every ounce of his energy spreading hatred. I think we, like, saw Karma and.

[Josh Firestein]

Full Effect yesterday over in Tulare County. A College of Sequoia student took this video.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I hope everyone in this family dies.

[Josh Firestein]

And their children and their grandchildren and.

[Steven Crowder]

Their grandchildren and their grandchildren to eternity.

[Josh Firestein]

The student, who wants to remain anonymous says prior to pulling out her phone, the teacher told the biology class that he watched the assassination of Kirk on loop for an hour. Tell me that wasn't Karma doing her finest look. Yeah, I'll praise the shooter.