Massie Goes Down: But Who Did It?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder

Episode Title: “Massie Goes Down: But Who Did It?”
Date: May 20, 2026
Host: Steven Crowder
Guest Panel: Lane, Josh Firestein, D Day
Theme: Dissecting Thomas Massie’s Primary Loss; Hollywood’s Trump Hatred; Media/Hollywood Culture Wars

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Episode Overview

This episode of Louder with Crowder centers on two major themes:

1. The shocking Republican primary loss of Congressman Thomas Massie, examining the factors behind it and the lessons for grassroots right-wing and libertarian movements.
2. Entertainment/politics news, including Hollywood's ongoing feud with Trump and pop culture clashes.

Crowder and his panel analyze Massie’s defeat, debunking the popular right-wing narrative blaming “outside money” (especially U.S.-Israeli groups) and “establishment” plots, and instead urge a focus on coalition-building, understanding electorate dynamics, and practical politics. The show also touches on media hypocrisy, Hollywood celebrities’ anti-Trump hysteria, and current culture war issues.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Pop Culture Jokes (03:38–08:29)

• Light-hearted panel discussion about comedic misunderstandings, referencing "Simba", "Timon and Pumbaa", and "thick sauce" memes.
• Bits on live comedy cancellations, friendly ribbing, and making fun of gym food trends.

2. “Try Not to Be Racist” Segment & Cultural Critique (08:43–13:15)

• Panel reacts to a viral treadmill meme (eating spicy bowls while walking), joking about Planet Fitness.

• Segment satirizes social media-driven behavior at gyms, veering into discussions about cultural spread of annoying behaviors (e.g., talking on speakerphone in public).

• Crowder:

  “It’s anybody who walks around talking on speakerphone—any race that does that—don’t.” (12:21)

• Lane and Crowder banter about “grand wizards,” poking fun at accidental misattributions and misunderstandings.

3. Hollywood’s Trump Derangement: The Winter Soldier’s Turn (13:15–24:12)

A. Sebastian Stan’s Cannes Film Festival Comments

• Crowder plays and critiques Sebastian Stan (actor known as the Marvel "Winter Soldier") denouncing “consolidation of the media, censorship, threats… and potential lawsuits,” suggesting Trump is a fascist.
• Parodies and satirical “Trump songs” follow, riffing on celebrity activism.

Quote:

Steven Crowder: “I just would like these people to represent America well overseas. You know, every country has their faults…but look at how amazing our country is. Point to any country that has had…the positive impact the United States has had.” (20:33)

• Discussion on media consolidation:
  • Hollywood outrage at “right-wing” media consolidation, but not at left-wing or Chinese (Wanda Group's AMC acquisition gets a pass).
  • Displeasure that CNN is viewed as no more objective than MSNBC.
  • Crowder:

    “They hate it that people don’t look at them as trusted sources anymore. Writ large.” (22:12)

4. Critique of Hollywood Content & Morality (23:36–26:04)

• Crowder rails against Hollywood’s pushes for LGBTQ+ agenda in kids’ content, “gratuitous” violence, and nudity.
• Admits Christian, “prude” stance—sees these as mainstream values, not prudish outliers.
• Lane counters, arguing nudity/violence tropes are mostly gone from modern movies (except HBO).

Quote:

Steven Crowder: “I’m a guy. I have a naked girl at home. It’s called My Wife. That’s the one that I want to look at.” (24:29)

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5. Main Event: Why Did Thomas Massie Lose? (30:12–59:00)

A. The Massie-Galrain Race Breakdown

• Crowder positions Massie’s primary defeat as the political story of the week.
• Debunks the right-wing (especially “X/Twitter” and libertarian) narrative that Massie was purely a victim of AIPAC’s outside spending and establishment sabotage.
• Massie’s own “Tel Aviv” concession zinger reviewed (32:11).

Quote:

Thomas Massie: “I had to call my opponent and concede, and it took a while to find Ed Galrain in Tel Aviv.” (32:11)

• Crowder:

  “That comment really didn’t offend me…It’s like saying you can’t find your opponent because he’s off with Weinstein in Hollywood.” (32:54)

B. Voter Demographics & Strategy

• Massie overperformed with young voters (18–29)—“but that’s only 5.4% of the electorate"; Galrain’s base was 65+ (38.9%).

• Lane:

  “Once [young voters] start getting more responsibilities, they start understanding the pragmatic realities of how government works, the libertarian ideology starts to fall apart a little bit…” (36:38)

• Crowder:

  “I don’t dislike people like Thomas Massie in general. I just don’t think they’re very effective.” (46:02)

C. “Seat was Bought” Myth

• Panel contrasts Massie’s claim against “seat buying” with examples where establishment money failed (Paxton vs. Cornyn in TX; Cassidy in LA).
• Message: Money alone doesn’t determine outcomes.

D. Evaluating Claims: Israel, Trump, & the “Big Beautiful Bill”

• Crowder unpacks Massie’s NO vote on the 2025 “big beautiful bill” (border/homeland security funding + debt ceiling raise). Trump had predicted Massie would lose for opposing the bill.
• They argue Massie’s opposition to popular GOP priorities (especially among older GOP voters) was self-sabotage.
• Trump’s comment about Massie being "history":

  “Anybody I endorse against Massie, Massie loses by 25. So he’s going to be history, I think.” (44:27)

E. Principled Stands vs. Effectiveness

• Panel acknowledges some of Massie’s positions are principled (fighting secretive government, pedophile prosecutions, ending foreign aid to Israel, AIPAC registration) but argue:
  • He over-focused on single issues.
  • No coalition, no pragmatic plan—just “principled loss.”
  • Accuses Massie of “red line” stances with no nuance or tactical forethought.

F. Libertarians Urging Voting for Democrats — Panel’s Rebuttal

• Discusses viral Libertarian tweets urging right-wingers to vote Democrat to “destroy MAGA, paralyze government, and imprison monsters.”
• Crowder slams this nihilistic “let the other side win to teach my side a lesson” mentality.

Quote:

“They are not the lesser of two evils. If there are two evils, they are the most evil possible you could put on the ballot.” (59:00)

G. The Path Forward: The Need for Coalitions

• Emphasizes that lasting change won’t come from third-party protest votes, conspiracy theorizing, or “blame Israel for everything.”
• Only strategy, coalition, and practical steps can shift the Overton window or deliver real policy change.
• Crowder:

  “You can’t just go Israel bad every single time. You’ve got to have a plan, you’ve got to have a purpose…Work within the system that you have. Put people into these primaries that can win.” (55:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Crowder, on Age Demographics:

  “Do you think in two years’ time, that age demographic thing that you guys are banking on—the young people voted for these guys…Not going to happen.” (58:24)

• Lane, on Massie’s Pedophile Accusations:

  “Maybe don’t insinuate that the President is…protecting pedophiles with zero evidence.” (57:24)

• On Young Voters and Political Ideology:

  “The support for libertarians, outside candidates…has always held true. But those were probably always the most politically active, terminally online people…the 5% of voters. Right. It’s just not a big slice of the pieces.” (36:10)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:43–04:34: Opening jokes/bits; panel introductions
• 06:05: Episode rundown by Crowder
• 13:15: Hollywood/Trump/Winter Soldier critique starts
• 30:12: Thomas Massie race segment begins
• 32:11: Massie’s “Tel Aviv” concession quote
• 41:33: Nick Fuentes’ alternate take played and analyzed
• 44:27: Trump’s prediction on Massie’s loss
• 46:32: Massie’s accusation Trump is protecting pedophiles
• 50:43: Massie’s stances on Israel/AIPAC discussed
• 52:04: Pro-Israel PAC spending data
• 54:58: Crowder’s argument for focusing on strategy over scapegoating
• 58:24: Lane/Crowder closing arguments on future of right-leaning politics

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Tone and Language

• Tone is irreverent, political, sometimes combative and mocking (especially toward Massie, Hollywood, and left-wing/“establishment” figures).
• Language is playful but pointed, with jabs at both left and right.
• Regular ribbing between co-hosts ensures a comedic flow, even during serious political analysis.

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Summary Takeaways

• Massie’s loss is seen as a failure of coalition and electoral pragmatism—not just “outside money” or establishment conspiracy.
• Right-wing populist and libertarian movements need to mature, coalition-build, and win with numbers—not just take “principled” losses and blame others.
• Celebrity and pop culture anti-Trump commentary is lampooned as unserious, hypocritical, and detached from most Americans’ priorities.

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For listeners:
If you want unfiltered, combative commentary on right-wing political wrangling, Hollywood’s foibles, and a sharp critique of both libertarian purists and Republican “establishment,” this episode is lively, informative, and in signature Crowder style—mocking, unapologetic, and at times unexpectedly pragmatic.

Transcript

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[Political Commentator 1]

I think you've got a confession to make. You're fake news.

[Political Commentator 2]

You are fake news.

[Political Commentator 1]

My trouble's making America great. Where were you when you try to resist at me I knew your Trump is getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you. Yet Trump is getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you. These four years were just a sneak preview. Can I get your attention for some breaking news? The balls are already tightening. Prepare to lose you're nursing home coming down you've got you blue think you can take for more yell the list of you Because Trump is getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you. Yes, Trump is getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you. Revised unemployment rates it's real, the market's healed, you crush you must confess your Trump is getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you. Wow. Wow.

[Political Commentator 3]

Now it's time for confession my friends, your fake news. Are you ready to lose again when Biden poops? You can try to resist but you will lose. My terms are short of like twins my friends they come in cause Trump is getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you. Yeah, I keep getting the best, the best, the best, the best of you. Yeah Trump, you're getting the best, the best, the best I best take you.

[Steven Crowder]

Click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or 9.99amonth to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of content creators and free speech. Hello, Good morning. You get no sip. But it's not because I don't like you. It's because if I do it, I feel like I'm gonna like choke inadvertently and then have to cough for the. Come on now.

[Josh Firestein]

You deserve this.

[Steven Crowder]

I had to forget. I don't know. Listen, there's about this, this entire story that's about to be spun, this narrative is fake news. Josh will tell it whenever he decides to.

[Josh Firestein]

This is not fake news.

[Steven Crowder]

Every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie. No, that's.

[Josh Firestein]

This is. It's all facts. First of all, Gerald was over there kissing on a guy in the corner. And then.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, no, no.

[Josh Firestein]

What really happened was we were all joking around about something, and the Washington Wizards and they. They were saying, you know, what is the season ticket holder called? And Lane was like, oh, season ticket holders. They're called grand. And we all laughed. And then Gerald looked up as if he had an original thought and was

[Steven Crowder]

like, oh, does that mean, like, the

[Josh Firestein]

season ticket holders are referred to as grand wizards? And we were all quiet, and Gerald's

[Steven Crowder]

like, well, that was a pretty good joke. Why is nobody laughing? Guys, what's.

[Josh Firestein]

And then we were like, yeah, Gerald. Lane goes. I just said that.

[Steven Crowder]

I literally heard the last half of what Lane said, and not the first half. I heard, like, the season ticket holders, and I missed it completely.

[Josh Firestein]

And then we all had a good laugh, and we laughed about how Gerald is, you know, takes somebody else's idea and then passes it off as his own. And then I said, we're going to have to start calling you Timon. And he was like, timon. And I go, from Timon and Pumbaa. And he goes, simone.

[Steven Crowder]

Deadpan.

[Josh Firestein]

And I go, no, what's Simone? He goes, yeah, it's Simone. And then Lane's like, simone and Pumbaa.

[Steven Crowder]

What's the king's name?

[Political Commentator 1]

Kimba.

[Steven Crowder]

Fake. I can't do it. I can't do it. All right, do you deserve this one? This will be. This will be a fantastic show, guys. I promise you.

[Guest Commentator]

Great start.

[Steven Crowder]

I'll be in. So let me give you the rundown really quickly. We're going to talk about the Winter Soldier. And I say that because nobody knows the actor's name, but the actor most famous for playing the not Captain America character, he hates Donald Trump, apparently. And it's a big deal. Thomas Massie lost. Primaried out. You have a lot of maybe mixed emotions about that. We'll talk about some of the things we agree with from Thomas Massie and some of the things we don't and what really is to blame. And then also, I don't know if you've seen this yet, but the mosque shooter, the manifestos has come out, and we've found a lot of it to be incredibly troubling, obviously, and absolutely crazy. So we're going to get into that a little bit. But before we do all of that, in my chair today, Lane the brain. How are you Sir.

[Lane]

Good. Better. Yeah, better.

[Steven Crowder]

Just. Now that you got credit for your original work of grand wizard, try to

[Lane]

follow trademarks on every statement that I make.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay? Yeah. Make sure you do that.

[Josh Firestein]

Otherwise, it was very fun, very casual. You really. It was. We all laughed, man.

[Lane]

The banter is a thing. I appreciate that. It was authentication on the car comedy team.

[Steven Crowder]

Thanks. I appreciate that. And obviously Josh Firestein in the other chair. Whatever. Anyway, moving on. No. Saturday, May 30, at the Roxy Theater in Muskogee, Oklahoma. Not Firestein on X. Make sure you go out and support live comedy, please.

[Josh Firestein]

I had previously advertised a show in Dallas at Hyenas in Dallas this Thursday, May 21, but that show was canceled due to circumstances that I can't control. Some local comedy drama manager.

[D Day (Musician)]

Really?

[Lane]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't really know all the details.

[Steven Crowder]

They wanted you to perform nude and you said I have my limits.

[Josh Firestein]

It was someone else's show. I was doing a comedy improv show with him having some fun, but it's not happening now, so. Sorry.

[Steven Crowder]

My phone call worked. Fantastic. Cancel culture to hear. No, no, no, no, no.

[Josh Firestein]

Gerald Morgan.

[Steven Crowder]

It's protection of an asset. We. We like you so much. We want you to stay. I don't want you to succeed at anything else that you do.

[Josh Firestein]

That mean I'm working Thursday night?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, a little bit. Sweet. All right, Go support Josh. I didn't make a phone call just to head off the rumors. All right, so foodie and self styled creator of the thick sauce. Not sure how you can, like, say that you are the creator of the thick sauce. And also, what is the thick sauce?

[Josh Firestein]

That means she's fat.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Ah, yeah, I see. I'm not up on the Simba and Timba whatever stuff too. Ari Tione. Is that. I just pronounced that.

[Lane]

Why would I know how to say that?

[Steven Crowder]

You know, Ari Tione showed off her treadmill spicy bowl in our latest installment of Try really Hard not to be Racist.

[Political Commentator 2]

Should I do it?

[Political Commentator 1]

I'm gonna do it.

[Steven Crowder]

Some of them armed with guns.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

I'm gonna be spilling like it ain't

[Commercial Announcer]

no smart sexual contact with an unrespons.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

I never seen a treadmill spicy bowl. They ain't never seen a treadmill spicy bowl before.

[Steven Crowder]

Let's get into it.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

Thick grass, big grass.

[Steven Crowder]

Hold on.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

Let's see that. The airy T. I waited Midwest way. What we talking about? Go ahead.

[Guest Commentator]

Man made horrors beyond your comprehension.

[Lane]

I'm guessing that's not an equinox.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

You gotta do that one more time. I don't think they've seen that big graphic grab. What are we doing? I'm talking about we working out and we eating good.

[Steven Crowder]

You're not working out.

[Josh Firestein]

She thought it was the treadmill.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

Big grass. She don't want the extra sauce, but it's. It's okay. A fruit bowl. Fruit bow. The. What we talking about? Hello.

[Nick Fuentes]

We in the gym with it.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, my gosh.

[Josh Firestein]

In the gym. What gym was it? Planet Fitness in my mouth.

[Lane]

Nice.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

Oh, hello. And you could eat an airy T bow with a spicy bow. You can still work out.

[D Day (Musician)]

Like.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

What are you talking about?

[Steven Crowder]

I think we just saw a roll get added to that. I hit my go. You saw how she was running for like four seconds. And I wouldn't say running. Maybe kind of a brisk walk for four seconds and then back to walking. Listen, you're not. You can't work. Listen, even in the best of circumstances, you couldn't do that. You can't work out and eat at the same time. Yes, you can.

[Josh Firestein]

I do a similar thing.

[Steven Crowder]

What are you even talking about?

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, I do a similar thing in the gym.

[Steven Crowder]

What? It's big.

[Josh Firestein]

It's more effective, though.

[Political Commentator 1]

Oh,

[Lane]

go faster.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm just glad that you figured out that if you turned up the treadmill a little bit faster that you could catch it.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, that's the trick. You gotta go a little faster.

[Steven Crowder]

Fantastic.

[Lane]

You know, to be fair to her, that is only the third most ghetto thing that happened at that Planet Fitness that day.

[Steven Crowder]

And the try not to be racist thing, it's not because this person is black. I would be equally mad at a white person for doing this. It's just this idea of this cultural thing where that's cool. I hate it. So whoever's responsible, I don't like. I don't like any of that.

[Lane]

Do you know who has when? Well put. And I don't mean to sound like Joe Biden.

[Steven Crowder]

He's a smart black guy. You want to rephrase, Mr. Grand Wizard?

[Lane]

No. When well put together, black people see shit like this. Are they not the most angry? Wouldn't they have the most perturbed? Because it's like you are bringing. I'm trying to do my shit right over here and I have to deal with this. I have to feel like they are the most annoyed demographic in all of this.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And there's a lot of people. Look, there are a lot of things. Maybe comment below on things that you hate that other people do. It doesn't have to be racist, though. Let's be real careful. People who annoy you. Come on, you can say it.

[Lane]

Who's your least favorite race, Gerald?

[Steven Crowder]

My least favorite race?

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly D Day or collaborator)]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Starting off right, how about this? I'll tell you my least favorite thing. That a particular race tends. That's fair.

[Guest Commentator]

We all know.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, and really this is crossing cultures. It's where there's been cultural spread. It's anybody who walks around talking on speakerphone, any race that does that, don't

[Lane]

think that's a cultural spread.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm pretty sure we all know. No, no, I did. No, I did. Listen, listen, listen. I have evidence of this.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah. If a black person heard you say that, they would Im immediately call you racist. Hey, why are you talking about me?

[Steven Crowder]

They started it. And it's spreading to Hispanic culture. I've seen that recently. The Latins do it, too, thank you very much. And I'm saying it's bad and we should not like it or the perpetrators of it.

[Lane]

Old Chinese ladies do it, too.

[Steven Crowder]

I think that should be the border question. You want to come to this country? Do you speak on speakerphone in public? Yes. Then you're not allowed in the country. No more questions need to be asked. All right, moving on. Actor Sebastian Stan. That's the Winter Soldier for all of you fans out there.

[Josh Firestein]

I thought that was the lobster from Little Mermaid.

[Lane]

No, it's the meerkat from Lion King.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, I hate all of you.

[Josh Firestein]

Isn't that the Chicago comedian?

[Steven Crowder]

Hit the stinger, Tim. Now listen, I feel like we're your kids. You really got a heart.

[Josh Firestein]

Trying to mess with you.

[Steven Crowder]

When do I get to beat you? I'm just kidding.

[Josh Firestein]

You're much larger than me, so I guess any kind.

[Steven Crowder]

It does insinuate that I beat my children. That's the joke. Because I don't. I'm a nice, wholesome father. You might be upset at Donald Trump because he hasn't gone far enough. I understand that. Just like I am upset at every other person in this room. I get it. It happens. But Hollywood is upset at him for all kinds of different reasons. Most notably because he's a fascist. He's Hitler.

[Political Commentator 2]

I'm a fascist authoritarian.

[Josh Firestein]

He's a racist.

[Steven Crowder]

Trump loves Hitler. Anti Muslim, anti Semitic. A tried and true, like dyed in the wool racist. The guy's a monster.

[Political Commentator 2]

Corrupt, incompetent and treasonous king.

[Josh Firestein]

Or a monarch. A racist, abusive coward who could permanently damage the fabric of our society.

[Steven Crowder]

He's the worst. He talks like a fascist. He acts like a fascist. He's friends with fascists. He compliments fascists. He probably couldn't even Define what a fascist is. But thank goodness Hollywood can step in and tell us. Now we have a new hot take from the Winter Soldier, Sebastian Stan, at the Cannes Film Festival.

[Guest Commentator]

But you were last here with the Apprentice, and it was months before the election, and Trump has been president for over a year now, and I'm just curious how your understanding of him has evolved in that time. More like the leukemia soldier.

[Steven Crowder]

Last winter.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly producer or co-host)]

It's just not a laughing matter, to be honest. You know, It's. I think we're in a really, really bad place. And to be honest with you, it's like when you're looking at what's happening, right? Which is if we're talking about the consolidate. Consolidation of the media, censorship, the threats, consolidation, supposed lawsuits that seemingly never end but don't actually go anywhere. You know, the writing was on the wall. We encountered all that with the movie, you know, to the point where we were three days before the festival unsure if the movie was gonna play at the festival.

[Steven Crowder]

So terrible.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly producer or co-host)]

You know, it's. Maybe people are paying attention more to that film. I think it will stand the test of time for that. But we went through all of it right before Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert and so on, you know, so. Wish it wasn't like that.

[Josh Firestein]

I wish it wouldn't have killed Iron Man's parents.

[Lane]

That's true.

[Steven Crowder]

If we get to go back and say things we don't want to do. Fantastic. I get it. Listen, listen. I understand we're going to address all of his comments here in just a second. But first, Donald Trump, President Trump clearly tried to get to the bottom of his disdain with a new song. And here's a sneak preview.

[Political Commentator 1]

You.

[D Day (Musician)]

I know I inspire you, Sebastian Stan. But why are you so mad?

[Steven Crowder]

Try to understand that I do want you as a fan. It seems like he's reaching out in the only way he knows how. Lyrically. Turns out, he was too late.

[Josh Firestein]

He already drove his car over a bridge.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, that's.

[Josh Firestein]

Huh? He had his girlfriend in the back and she was pregnant with his kid.

[Steven Crowder]

Really?

[Political Commentator 1]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

There's a backstory to this. What?

[Josh Firestein]

You never heard this song by Eminem?

[Steven Crowder]

Admonish.

[D Day (Musician)]

Oh, my God.

[Steven Crowder]

Too deep. That was too deep. I stopped listening to Eminem a long time ago. Sorry.

[D Day (Musician)]

That.

[Josh Firestein]

Songs from a long time, like originals.

[Steven Crowder]

I didn't pay attention to the lyrics. Okay. I was listening to Christian music trying not to be a hoodlum.

[Josh Firestein]

Okay.

[Political Commentator 2]

All right.

[Steven Crowder]

So let's go through each of his points on stuff that I know. Consolidation of media. Right. So he's apparently thinking like, that's a big problem right now. Certainly he's probably talking about Meta, Google, Disney and Wanda Lane. What the hell is Wanda?

[Lane]

Well, he's all pissed about the media consolidation. You would have thought when Wanda Dalian Group, which is a Chinese conglomerate, bought AMC theaters or when they bought Legendary pictures, they would have been equally upset. Hollywood would have been up in arm.

[Steven Crowder]

Did they say anything?

[Lane]

Oh, they didn't say anything.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, okay. So he's not actually mad at all the big tech consolidations that we saw or the Hollywood consolidation, the Hollywood consolidation

[Lane]

or the communist buyout of Hollywood? None of those things.

[Steven Crowder]

None of that stuff. Or any of the other media services that we've talked about where they controlled everything. And big tech employees gave 99% of their donations to Dems in the 2024 cycle. Hollywood was 89.4% went to Democrats. John Morris was the other 11. Oh, yeah, pretty much. Right. But it's a problem when Paramount acquires Warner Discovery. Is it because one of the people involved in that deal is supposed to be kind of a right leaning person?

[Lane]

Yeah, because David Ellison is close with. So because there's a perceived Trump ally now, now we have to step in.

[Steven Crowder]

Gotcha. That's. Media consolidation is bad. Fantastic. I hope we've illuminated this a little bit for. Let's go to censorship. He gave some examples of that. Colbert, he was losing viewers. Kimmel blatantly lied to his syndicated audience. And also Hollywood was really silent. Didn't do much of those videos that you saw us put a mashup together for on the Twitter files, the board of disinformation, Covid, Joe Rogan and Spotify. Because every time we say it, we have to say it the correct way that Jen Psaki said it when she was saying it as the press secretary.

[Guest Commentator]

Well, they.

[Steven Crowder]

None of those seem to matter to them.

[Lane]

And it didn't matter that, you know, Harvey Weinstein was diddling people for, you know, two decades until it did matter, when it was socially acceptable for it to matter. I don't know if he diddled people or whatever.

[Steven Crowder]

Wait, were the accusations brand new? No, they weren't.

[Lane]

Oh, they've been going forever.

[Steven Crowder]

Let it happen with him and Kevin Spacey and everybody else. That's. Yeah, Kevin Spacey was just gay. He was very gay.

[Lane]

I don't think he was like, I don't know.

[Steven Crowder]

That's where the guys, I'm gay quote comes from. For me, it's Kevin Spacey's defense to all his assault charges. Guys, I'm gay. But I can't do an accent, so therefore it lives on an infamy. And it's like I said it.

[Lane]

He was great and settled.

[Steven Crowder]

He's fantastic.

[Josh Firestein]

Now, we have variations of that.

[Steven Crowder]

Let's go to his movie that will, quote, stand the test of time. Apprentice. The box office. $4 million domestically, $13 million internationally. Hey, there you go. Fantastic. I'm sure it didn't cost any money to do that. By the way, the budget for this was $16 million. No, the box office of 17 million combined dollars doesn't mean profit of a million dollars. No, no, no. That's what the theaters collected. There's some split between the theaters. 60, 40, 40, 60, 50, 50. Somewhere in there, they lost money.

[Lane]

You have to double for marketing also.

[Steven Crowder]

There you go.

[Lane]

So there's another 16 million that they spent on that. It was certified flop.

[Josh Firestein]

But won't they get a cut of the rentals at Hollywood Video?

[Steven Crowder]

I don't. I don't think so. I don't think it's around anymore.

[Josh Firestein]

Bummer, dude.

[Steven Crowder]

Sorry, bud. Blockbuster. Check it out.

[Lane]

They would stop making.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Lane]

That could be a start.

[Steven Crowder]

You know, I just, I. I would just like these people to represent America. Well, overseas. I don't hear very many people other than, like, USA Hockey going overseas and representing the United States with any kind of pride. Right? With any kind of like, hey, everybody, every country has their faults, but look at how amazing our country is. Look at what we have done for the world. You'll be like, yeah, but you made a mistake over here. Fantastic. Point to any country that hasn't. Do me a favor and do that now. Point to any country that has had the impact on the world in a positive sense that the United States has had. You can't. And I'm not looking for people to go over and just completely go, donald Trump's the best. But how about, I love my country? How about. You know what? We're in difficult times right now, and I pray that our leadership will do the right thing, that they will submit themselves to God and make sure that they lead our country. Well, sometimes that doesn't happen, and it saddens me when it doesn't.

[Lane]

When Obama was droning kids in Yemen, wherever were they?

[Steven Crowder]

Where was the outrage at the Cannes Film Festival?

[Lane]

I don't even fault Obama for being some kid murder. That's not what I'm saying. But you could equally relate.

[Josh Firestein]

That's how they would spin it, though.

[Lane]

That's how they would.

[Josh Firestein]

I've got this question from my liberal friends before, too. It's like when they're saying something about Iran or saying something about Venezuela and they're like, yeah, but I bet you criticized ob, like, no, I didn't actually.

[Steven Crowder]

Correct. Right.

[Nick Fuentes]

I didn't.

[Josh Firestein]

I actually, I served in the military under Obama. Not, not, not that I like was like, I want to serve for Obama. That wasn't the thing. But it was just the happenstance. I never spoke up because I was like, I don't have a problem with what he's doing.

[Lane]

Conservatives pride in America stays consistent throughout administrations. Democrats ebbs and flows based on who they have.

[Steven Crowder]

They're fair weather fans.

[Lane]

It's really, it's.

[Steven Crowder]

If you're doing exactly what I want you to do, exactly what I want you to do, then I'm proud to be American.

[Lane]

Yep.

[Steven Crowder]

But if the other half of the country comes together and says, we don't want to go that direction, then all of a sudden I'm not proud to be an American. We'll just leave then. We've had this opportunity for you for a very long time. But people in Hollywood like the Winter Soldier here, zero consideration for the livelihoods of the American citizen, whether it comes down to the border inflation, crime. They only really care about issues that affect them. Affect them. AI and media consolidation. When it somehow affects them in a way that it didn't PR because it served their interests. It really should be the destruction of media consolidation. That's really what they're frustrated about. That they don't have the stranglehold that they used to have and that people are now looking at places like CNN that was supposed to be somewhere in the middle of FOX and MSNBC as absolutely 100% no different than MSNBC. Only MSNBC says it. That's the only difference. They claim to be far left where CNN says we're objective. They hate it that people don't look at them as trusted sources anymore. Writ large.

[Lane]

We would all. I would agree, I think most of us would, that consolidation over consolidation is a bad thing for competition quality, whether that's Hollywood tech or the defense industry. So on a face value statement, we agree. But this is not at face value. This is their own ulterior motives that they're trying to shoehorn in with the cause du jour. That's all it is.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And it's. There's not a consistent position. We'll get to Thomas Massie here in just a minute.

[Political Commentator 1]

Minute.

[Steven Crowder]

But there's no consistent position. They don't want. What will make it easier for people to have a voice against their Opinion. And just remember what Hollywood's opinions have been over the years. Just remember what kind of movies, what kind of representation pushes. They have gone for normalizing homosexuality. And as a Christian, I'm not for homosexuality being thrown in my son's face when he's watching a kid's movie, which happens all the time. Time. I'm not okay with trans and kids. I'm not okay with pushing the LGBTQ agenda on children. I'm not okay with Drag Queen Story Hour. I'm not okay with all of the things that Hollywood seems to celebrate. I'm not okay with gratuitous violence. I'm not okay with sex scenes in every single movie. Just kind of wedging in nudity every single time. You can. I'm a guy. I have a naked girl at home. It's called My Wife. That's the one that I want to look at.

[Political Commentator 1]

At.

[Steven Crowder]

I understand. You may say that makes me a prude. Fine. Fantastic. I don't care. I'm a Christian. I'm trying to make sure that other men don't struggle as much as I did dealing with that issue. She should get dressed.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's like.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, I mean, it's, you know, teach their own day.

[Josh Firestein]

That's pretty awesome, lady.

[Political Commentator 2]

Actually.

[Steven Crowder]

It's fantastic. You. I text. I'm on my way home immediately. It's like reverse Islam. Exactly. I love it.

[D Day (Musician)]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

It's my little contribution. You won't know about it because it's within the confines of my. My house.

[Lane]

Honey, what's gratuitous violence?

[Steven Crowder]

Gratuitous violence? Like, I just. I just don't like violence for the sake of violence.

[Lane]

Oh, well, right.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm sorry. It's not that I'm, like, going out and campaigning against it. I just don't prefer that, but Hollywood does. Hollywood likes it. I don't. Hollywood loves all of these things that a number of people. I don't know if you're actually that

[Lane]

caught up with the film industry, because the whole idea of, like, nudity for nudity's sake and violence, Those are, like 80s and 90s tropes that are really not a thing, bro. It's not, bro.

[Steven Crowder]

We'll have another conversation about this later.

[Lane]

Hold on.

[Nick Fuentes]

I gotta get back to the.

[Steven Crowder]

Say that it's 80s and 90s and not. Say it's 2000s and the teens.

[Lane]

It's not really, though.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, well, we'll have an argument about that. I mean, you follow a Game of

[Lane]

Thrones, anything on hbo, talk about the film industry, but.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, well, I mean, Hollywood in general,

[Josh Firestein]

It's a home box office.

[Steven Crowder]

That's what I was told, at least. But look, I will say this to move on just a little bit to get off my soapbox. It is fun to watch these celebrities wiggin out, but you don't have to when it comes to your mortgage.

[D Day (Musician)]

My girl likes it.

[Steven Crowder]

Whoa.

[D Day (Musician)]

Yo, what up, fam? It's your boy, D Day, AKA dzd. Letting y' all know I've been working on a new project here. I got it all. Y', all, y'. All, I'm collabing with a dope DJ with a fat beat, backup singers for the hook dancers for the video. And we're gonna film it all right here in my crib so y' all can see how I be living.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly family member)]

You're filming what here?

[D Day (Musician)]

Dad, I told you a hundred times. My music video. You said you and moms is gonna be out this weekend looking for a new Shay's Lounge for my studio.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly family member)]

Studio? Give me my home office. What you need to do is call American Financing like I told you to get your own place.

[D Day (Musician)]

Dad, I told you, mortgage rates is too high right now. But once my DJ pays off his Subaru, we're gonna put a down payment

[Steven Crowder]

down on a condo.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly family member)]

Dj? You mean your cousin Daniel? What's your band called? Double D's? Darryl and the Douche?

[D Day (Musician)]

Dad, I told you, my name is D Day. Now, how many times I gotta tell you that? And you know that cousin goes by the new name of last name King. Ya, Mom. First name Ibifa.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly family member)]

Hey. Get your butt in here right now.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm sorry.

[D Day (Musician)]

I didn't mean it.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly family member)]

That's your grandmother, you sick bat.

[Josh Firestein]

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[Steven Crowder]

I just want the music to keep playing. Just wanted to seem like I'm cool. Yep, I got it. American financing.net thank you very much for giving us all the freedom to make the craziest ads that we can possibly think of. Don't worry. We will find a way to offend you at some point and lose you as a sponsor or. We're not trying.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm working on it.

[Steven Crowder]

We actually seem like we are. We'll see. Is there any other movies we could put them in that they'll be like, what the heck were these guys thinking? Okay, Schindler's List

[Josh Firestein]

Schindler's listings.

[Steven Crowder]

I just came up with one.

[Guest Commentator]

Nice.

[Steven Crowder]

Let's do it. Oh boy. This house recently became available. This is free. The other family that was here, they took a train ride somewhere else. We don't know. They left it. Didn't say when they were coming back. Move in. Okay, that one's gonna be rough, but I'm all for it. Josh, go ahead and see if we can make that happen. And do what we can here.

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[Steven Crowder]

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[Steven Crowder]

if you've been following really social media over the last day, two days, it's been pretty much the story. There hasn't been a ton going on out in the rest of the world for it to be knocked off its perch as the top of mind thing. It's one of the races that we knew was going to be very big. And we knew it for a different reason than maybe you're going to be told about by some of your favorite content creators out there, especially people on the right, which is very interesting to me. And I just want to make sure that we go through this, we take a look at it, inform you and tell you why we think this happened. Same issues that we've been calling out for a while with people like Thomas Massie kind of getting rolled up into this and also agreeing with Thomas Massie on a number of issues. But I want to make sure we see a pattern developing here and that we don't miss the lesson. Apparently, when you look at this, just being anti Israel doesn't seem like it's a winning strategy. Okay, you can be for reforming the relationship with Israel. You can be for making AIPAC register under fara. You can be for. For making sure that we have less foreign influence, including Israel's influence on the United States, less foreign influence in our politics here at home. You can be for all of those things, but it can't be the only thing that you're for. We're seeing that right now in Florida. That race isn't over yet, but obviously Fishback doesn't look like he's going to win in the run or in the primary. We saw it in Ohio when Vivek Ramaswamy beat Push, and we just saw it with the poster child, the candidate that is supposed to have the ground game, the candidate that's supposed to have the support of this movement, the candidate that if anybody is going to get you to come out of the woodworks and make sure that he stays in office, it would have been Thomas Massie. And he lost to Galrain and he came out coping a bit last night.

[D Day (Musician)]

All right,

[Thomas Massie]

listen, I would. I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede and it took a while to find Ed Gowrin in Tel Aviv.

[Steven Crowder]

He came out and conceded because he lost by almost 10 points, 54.9 to 45 1. It wasn't close. And for those of you pearl clutching about that comment about finding him in Tel Aviv, I don't understand. There's a lot that I don't like about Thomas Massie. The fact that he chose to say something like that on a candidate that he said was propped up by Israel the entire time, that really didn't offend me.

[Josh Firestein]

I thought it was funny.

[Steven Crowder]

I thought it was kind of funny. That's what I said. I was like, yeah, I disagree with it, but I think it's kind of a funny way of saying it. You know, it's like saying if somebody's supported by Hollywood. Now. I couldn't find my opponent because he was too busy out there with Weinstein in Hollywood or something like that. I mean, kind of funny. Focus your attention in places that it really matters. And it's a lot of the politicians, like, honestly, I think Ted Cruz said that about him. And I was like, really, Ted? That's the biggest problem you've got. Massie did get the youth vote, but then he did also claim that the seat was bought.

[Thomas Massie]

We have the younger demographic, you know, the people that you know want somebody that'll go along to get along. I've never heard of that strategy, but that seems to be what, what the voters want. That's what's been promised to them, but not the young voters. Why did this, why did the race get so expensive? Because they decided to buy the seat.

[Steven Crowder]

So I just want to take one second. And again, just because I'm arguing over the specifics doesn't mean that I agree with it. It doesn't mean that I'm celebrating that Thomas Massie was defeated. There's some reasons why I think that's a good thing. There's a reason why I think that's a bad thing. But to say it's a go along, get along mentality, Nobody ever asked you that I know of. That was criticizing you from a principled place to say, hey, just go along to get along. Thomas, we don't want you to ruffle any feathers or have any of your own opinions about things. We don't want you to have your own principles and stands that you take on your own. The critique is actually something much different than that. So don't straw man the other side. And the reason I say that is because it keeps you from addressing the issue that caused you to lose and that is causing your side to lose. It seems like every single time you guys get pissed off and run or support a candidate or support a stance, you lose. Don't miss the lesson. And saying that it's a go along to get along mentality will make you miss the lesson. His strongest support, by the way, was in the 18 to 29 bracket. But there are only 5.4% of likely voters. Gallerain's strongest support was in 65 plus, though he had great support down through 45, 38.9% of likely voters in the 65 plus category. Do you understand how to win an election? You can't go after just that group. Now, I understand that you may be thinking that by going after the youth that later on in Life, they'll adopt this position and they will be your base going forward. That's not exactly true, though. You have to remember that you always prefer an outsider. They always want the rebel to come in and change things because they may see some imperfections in the system during certain times or. Or they may look at a system like right now and go, how in the world am I supposed to buy a house, survive, get a job with AI? They've got a lot of legitimate concerns. And so they say, well, let's get an outsider to come in here and fix this. The problem is that doesn't continue on into adulthood. Give you an example. 1992, younger people supported Ross Perot. I remember this versus Clinton and Bush. How much of the vote did Perot get here? Among all voters, 19%. That's actually the best performance we've ever had from a third candidate, if I'm not mistaken.

[Lane]

It is. But his strongest support group was the same strong support group that Massie had. Push has pull that back up. Citing.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, the youth vote. He got all of it.

[Lane]

The support for libertarians outside candidates. Among that Gen Z or not Gen Z, but what would be Gen Z now has always held true. Yeah, but those were probably always the most politically active, terminally online people that are going to go out and vote the 5% of voters. Right. It's just not a big slice of the pieces. But once they start getting more responsibilities, they start understanding the pragmatic realities of how government works. The libertarian ideology starts to fall apart a little bit because it just really doesn't go anywhere.

[Steven Crowder]

It doesn't go anywhere and it doesn't mesh with the world that we have in front of us.

[Lane]

And this isn't to say we have problems with boomers. There's a lot.

[Steven Crowder]

I have a. Of course we. What are you talking.

[Lane]

That's again, the boomers know what's right all the time. That's not what we're saying here.

[Steven Crowder]

I think the boomers get a lot of stuff wrong. I think they vote in their own self interest. But guess what? They do. They vote right. You don't. As a group of young people. And I understand being pissed off about the world around you and I understand wanting change. But you also have to understand that with a little time and a little wisdom, you might see things differently. And I hope it's not because you're, I don't know, compromising on your morality or your principled stances. That's not what I want. I just want you to see the world for one what it really is. I want you to see when you can get stuff done and when you can't. You can't just tell the other half of the people in this country exactly what you want to do and have them do it. Do you see what happens when we go into cities to deport criminals? You can't just tell people, I'm going to deport everybody. They won't go along with it. You have to be strategic about this. Not because I'm just trying to, you know, make nice with the other side, but because I actually want to get something done. I don't want to just talk about it and have rhetoric about it. I want to actually get something done. And by the way, if Massie's seat was bought, as the claim is now, how did the establishment fail to buy these seats? In Texas, Cornyn outspent Paxton 16 to 1 during the primary, 4 to 1 during the runoff. The latest poll has Paxton ahead 52, 40.

[Lane]

And Trump went against the establishment money to give his endorsement to who he thinks will win. He's only giving because he thinks Paxton would win. Yes, because the people in Texas do want prefer Paxton over Cornyn.

[Steven Crowder]

Absolutely. And in Louisiana recently, Senator Bill Cassidy had three times more money than his other two rivals, but he came in third place and will not even be in the runoff. So if the seat was bought and that was the only reason that people came out and voted the way that they did, why doesn't that play out down here? Maybe there's another reason. Maybe there's a part of this that you're not looking at when you just go, Israel Epstein, that's what it is, the swamp. Maybe there's a part of this that you're missing, and if you took a minute to look at it, you might change strategies and I think be more effective. Because what I'm saying is that I agree with a lot of what you guys want. The people that are supporters of Thomas Mass. We agree with a lot of what you want. You've got a coalition you can build. And in fact, I think they were on their way to building. The tide was turning, and then you went all in and left these other issues that people really care about on the table. Let's get into other reasons, though, why maybe he lost. Some of the reasons that you're going to hear right now are going to come from people like Nick Fuentes. I disagree with some of these reasons. I agree with some of them. But I'm going to give you what I think really is going on and why he lost. You're not going to like it because it's not a conspiracy theory and it doesn't point at this world being run by other people. But let's hear what Nick has to say first.

[Nick Fuentes]

All of the pro Trump politicians, party loyalists, influencers, guys like captive dreamer, emblematic of them, they're all saying something completely different.

[Guest Commentator]

Different.

[Nick Fuentes]

And I told you that this is what they would do. All of them, the White House and the mainstream media, they have a completely different take on this. They say, why did Thomas Massie lose? Well, it's not because the Jews injected $33 million to punish him for voting against foreign aid. They say this is a referendum on Trump's influence over the party. They have a very different take. They say that Trump pointed at the district, pointed at Massey, said he wanted him to lose, lose, and so he lost. They say, well, Massie didn't vote for the big beautiful bill. And what was contained in the big beautiful bill? Well, $200 billion for DHS to secure the border and carry out mass deportations. So they take it further and say not only did Massey upset the president, not only was he disloyal to the party and voted against the party's agenda, but they say he voted against border security and mass deportations. So he was a left wing, open borders traitor who went against the president. And so the president used his immense influence over the party and the base to throw him out. And this is what the media says and this is what the Trump and party loyalists are saying. They say it's all about Trump. And I told you last night, if you watch my show, I predicted that to the letter. I said that is exactly what they were going to say. I said, it looks like, like, more likely than not, Massey's going to lose. And when he does, that's the line they're going to go with. And by the way, that's what the history books will record.

[Steven Crowder]

Let's dive into that then. Seems like he's making a prediction there. Let's see if that's been something that we talked about before. The angle on the big beautiful bill. He was one of two. Massey, one of two no votes on the bill. What was the other one ran, Paul?

[Lane]

Was that in the House?

[Steven Crowder]

In the House.

[Lane]

In the House. He's one of two no votes.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, so I thought you were doing overall people that weren't supporting it because I tend to confuse those two people. We talked about that earlier.

[Lane]

They're very interchangeable.

[Steven Crowder]

Who's against it? Yeah, that's fine. We'll deal with that in a second. Massie also said, although there were some conservative wins in the budget reconciliation bill, I voted no on final passage because it will significantly increase U.S. budget deficits in the near term, negatively impacting all Americans through sustained inflation and high interest rates. At the time we talked about this, at the time, we thought that that was a stupid argument. I believe that the BBB passed. Was it July 1st or so? So sorry. July 4th. Right. We have a comment from Trump here in just a second about it on July 1st to kind of give you an insight as to why maybe he was against Massie. But we talked about this. It would increase the debt ceiling as a part of this entire bill, instead of doing what Republicans seemingly always do, get to a debt ceiling increase needing to happen. And I say needing to happen because if you're going to deal with this problem and make sure that we don't ever have to increase the debt ceiling again, you can't wait till a few months before it. You've got to make structural changes way before that. And nobody seems to be willing to do that right now. So one person's not going to affect that. I'd like to see a coalition built around people that would like to make it to where we don't have to borrow more money. Fantastic. That'd be great. I just haven't seen any proposals for that that have any kind of likelihood of ever getting to see the light of day. So instead of waiting until August of 2025 and going hat in hand and saying, hey, can we please get this raised, and having to give up God knows what to be able to get it, Donald Trump said, let's put it in this bill that's wildly popular among Republicans. So that was the issue. Republicans would have lost reconciliation and the ability to secure the border, funding that we needed to do what I would argue is incredibly important for the American people in making sure that we get people out of this country that should not be here in the first place, that. What is it, 150 to 450 billion dollars per year that is going out the door to these people. That is important. And on July 1, three days before the bill passed in 2025, Trump predicted Massey would be, quote, history.

[Political Commentator 2]

I just don't think he does a good job for the country. He's always a. No, they call him Red Paul Jr

[Steven Crowder]

that's why I get him confused.

[Political Commentator 2]

Nothing constructive at all.

[Political Commentator 1]

At all.

[Political Commentator 2]

Thomas Massie from Kentucky. He's going to have a big opponent, a good opponent.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Political Commentator 2]

Who's going to win. The ball just came out and it showed. Anybody I endorse against Massey, Massey loses by 25. So he's going to be history, I think.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly family member)]

Hmm.

[Lane]

Pretty clear this isn't a new talking point.

[Steven Crowder]

No. July 1, 2025.

[Lane]

So the long story short on this, if they wait past when they pass the bbb, you give Democrats more and more leverage and pretty soon you're still increasing the debt. That was going to happen. I don't like it. You know it was going to happen.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Lane]

And you are not going to have border funding and you are going to have the continued infiltration to whatever extent you think it was happening, happening at

[Steven Crowder]

our southern border, which isn't that one of the sticking points that they've said is that we haven't built enough of the wall.

[Lane]

Correct.

[Steven Crowder]

But then pointed back, we got the money in the big beautiful bill. Yeah. Not if Massie had his way.

[Lane]

Right. It would be a much worse situation for no gain. And the reason we go through this, I want to make it clear, and I think you would agree with me, is because I like to crap on people like Dave Smith and the libertarians for Massey, the Twitter accounts that are kind of pushing this narrative. But it's not because people that are Massey voters, I want to gloat in their face.

[Steven Crowder]

No, not at all.

[Lane]

I think they have a lot of good points on why they support Massie. The reason I want to go through this and you want to go through this is to say, here's our justification, here's our validation for believing the way that we do. You can take that or you can lead that. We just want you to hear both sides of the story. Not that we think you're stupid or that we're always correct, but this is our interpretation and take that and compare it to what you've already learned and see where you end up. Maybe you end up with us, maybe you. You don't. But this is not to talk down to anybody that voted for Thomas Massie.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. My passion is in the why My passion for this story is why did Thomas Massie lose? And I don't dislike people like Thomas Massie in general. I just don't think they're very effective. So if you want to be more effective, you have to listen and go through this instead of just blaming Israel and blaming the Epstein files. Which brings us to. He insinuated that Donald Trump was protecting pedophiles and that's why the files weren't released. How do you explain to voters why the President is Fighting your discharge petition

[Commercial Announcer]

or fighting the release of these documents from the Justice Department?

[Thomas Massie]

Well, you know, I vote with my party 91% of the time, which means I agree with the, have agreed with the President 91% of the time. But they, when they're protecting pedophiles, when they are blowing our budget, when they are starting wars overseas, I'm sorry, I can't go along with that.

[Steven Crowder]

Now that seems like a principled stand and I would say that it is. In some ways. We don't like the fact that everybody agrees pedophile is bad. Right. I don't care who they are, by the way. I don't care how powerful who they are, what kind of leverage they have over this country. You know, bring them down, though the heavens may fall is my opinion. Fine, fantastic. Go for that. But I, we looked and I don't really know that we found anything at all throughout the Biden term that he mentioned about releasing the Epstein files, at least not with the same vigor. If you can find it, please let me know. I'd like to know.

[Lane]

It seems non issue for him.

[Steven Crowder]

Didn't seem like it was that big of an issue. And so my question is why now? Why now when the President of the United States is actually trying to do that? It seems by all accounts that he was trying to do that. He talked about it in the lead up to his election. It was one of the things that people say he betrayed them on, but it wasn't even.

[Lane]

This was not a major campaign promise of Donald Trump. Yeah, we all wanted them released, but of course he didn't campaign on. I'm going to do this. They ask him if he'd release him, he goes, yeah, I think I would.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, exactly. So where was this under Joe Biden is my point. That's what we want to see, that consistency. You can still have a problem like we do with the rollout and with the lack of transparency and not really seeming to get to the bottom of this and people not being put in jail. I'm with you 100%. But when you go to, well, he's just protecting pedophiles. Okay, you're probably going to piss off a lot of people now on X you'll probably seem like you're in the majority, but X isn't reality, it seems, because Thomas Massie is incredibly popular on X, but he lost the vote. Fishback is incredibly popular on X. He's probably going to lose to Byron Donald.

[Lane]

I think he's in third place too.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I don't think it's particularly close right now. I don't know. Things can change. We'll see what happens. But then there's another thing. Sanctions. He's also against all sanctions on any foreign nations. I don't understand that. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to be against sanctions on all nations. That's one of the ways that we leverage other people so that we don't have to go to war. Because that's one of the other things that you don't like administrations starting war. Fantastic. We're right there with you. We don't love administrations starting wars at all.

[Lane]

And again, his argument for this is that sanctions lead to war. Well, again, it's not a one size fits all. Sometimes in certain conditions, maybe they could in others. You need to look at the facts on the ground and decide if they're applicable in that situation. He doesn't do that. Everything is my way or the highway, regardless of anything.

[Steven Crowder]

It's a red line stance.

[Lane]

It's a red line stance, which is. It's really great in theory, but once you get into the real world, you realize everybody answers to someone. And if you want to get anything done, one, you do have to look at the pragmatic reality of how my stance will work in the moment. And if it's something like, you know, abortion or if it's something like the death penalty, you know, I get it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Lane]

Those are principal stances you can absolutely have. And even if you're not going to lose, you can't give up your moral, like your, your good relationship with God, for lack of a better term, to compromise on that.

[Political Commentator 1]

Right.

[Lane]

But things like debt increases or things like sanctions are not those. It's a way to grandstand and pretend that you have these amazing values that make you better than the rest of

[Steven Crowder]

the people, especially when you don't have a plan. Right. Or a coalition to execute that plan. It's the same argument that we've had about voting Democrat and we'll get to that in a minute. There's no plan. There's no coalition. There could have been. Now, let's talk about Israel, because that does factor into this and I understand that. I get it. Makes a lot of sense to me that people are pissed off about. That's not a non factor at all. 100% right. So I'm not saying that he's voted against foreign aid to Israel. He's also moved to force AIPAC to register under fara. Guess what? We agree with both of those.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Two great things Fantastic. See the coalition building. I don't know that I would have said that a couple of years ago, probably because I wasn't paying as much attention to the issue as I should have been. But throughout this entire conversation, I got educated on exactly what AIPAC was. I got educated on exactly how it works. I got educated on how much money we actually send to Israel, and I got educated on what Israel was doing that maybe I had a problem with. Isn't that what we were supposed to be doing here? You know how many people that are like me that got educated on some of these issues and would have been right there with you on a coalition to force AIPAC to register under FARA and stop giving money to Israel. But when you go so far as that, it's always Israel. It's Israel, everything, all the time. You start to lose people because they're like, wait a minute, that's not. That doesn't seem real. That seems like this guy is just kind of coming up with these crazy conspiracy theories, or at the very least, he's saying things that he can't provide evidence on. And I don't really know what to think because I've got a family and I've got a job, and I don't really have a ton of time to pay attention to politics. I see some headlines. I listened to the radio for a few minutes on the way to where I don't know what he's doing. That's not how you build a coalition. And it's proving to be true in reality. But one of the things Pro Israel interest groups did spend against him, obviously they spent money for his opponent, Galran, about $15 million. Now, I've seen numbers as high as $33 million. I don't know if that's a combined.

[Lane]

That's total ad spend. And I believe that AIPAC itself was about 7 million. And then Pro Israel donors into other packs. Adelson was about nine.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, still a lot of money going into it, whatever the number is from Pro Israel group. So it's a lot, a lot of money. A lot of money came from outside of this district because that typically happens when it's the premier race for that cycle. And this was right. And I understand that normally you got to get down to the wire and actually do it. But when it's a district that's going to vote Republican, whoever wins the primary is probably going to win the election. That's why money went into this. But Massie doesn't have the corner on this issue. Right. His biggest Donor was Jeff Yass, the founder of Sig Susquehanna, 1.4 million-plus in donations through a PAC. He's Jewish and he's funded a conservative Israeli think tank. That think tank is involved in American politics in addition to Israeli politics. The exact thing that Massie's saying he doesn't want in this race. That guy came out in support of him. Now we don't like that guy for other reasons related to TikTok and his 35 billion plus dollar position in ByteDance, the parent company. The issues that we have here are on both sides. Take a hard look at this. But here's the solution that's being presented by Massie supporters right now in light of his loss. Vote Democrats Democrat in 2026. Here's a quote from Libertarians from ASI on X Vote Democrat in midterms. Destroy MAGA. The big libertarian case for Democrats winning the House is the midterms isn't about. Or I'm sorry, in the midterms isn't about agreeing with their platform. Okay? It's about the bigger picture. If Republicans keep the House, the current neocon warmongering and big spinning agenda will have a completely clear Runway. But if Democrats win, the federal government hits a brick wall. They will paralyze the administration, tie up the cabinet in constant investigations, hopefully imprison some monsters like Hegseth and slow the legislative machine to a crawl. Really? Vote Democrat. That's the best you got? We have a system to put Hegseth in prison. Oh yeah, that's true. Monsters like, like, hey Seth, we have a system that you can participate in and you can put forward the very best candidate that you can find. And guess what? If you're so right and if you're so pure that everybody, once they see the facts, will support your guy both financially and at the ballot box, then you should be able to win a race. But if every time you lose, you blame Israel, you blame the swamp, you blame the lack of the release of the Epstein files, which seems like the thing that we're going to hear over and over and over. Instead of taking a hard look at the positions and what potentially started this problem for Thomas Massie and others like him in the first place, you will miss the lesson that hopefully will get your candidates in position to actually win, form a coalition and get something done. I want things to change as well. I'm not a go along to get along kind of guy. We call out President Trump when he screws up. We've done it. We have a good Trump, bad Trump segment for crying out loud. Whenever we hear Ted Cruz open his mouth on Israel, I recoil. I don't care what he says about that. I think he should be a senator that represents Texas and doesn't give a damn about the interests of Israel, unlike what he said he was going to the Senate to do. That pisses me off. But you can't just go Israel bad every single time. You've got to have a plan. You've got to have a purpose in what you're doing. Stop with these supposed victories for show. Well, we didn't win, but we took a principled stance and Joe Kent resigned. What did that do? It took the guy that was chief of counterterrorism in the United States, some would say an important position, and put him on the sideline. But, hey, he can go do podcasts and he can go on Sean Ryan and talk about how he was a principled man and how this shouldn't have happened. What did that change? I don't think it changed a lot at all. And if you keep having that strategy, you will never change anything. Work within the system that you have. Put people into these primaries that can win. Even Nick didn't like the opponent that Vivek Ramaswamy had, and he's Indian, for crying out loud. That should have been an easy one for you guys. Change your strategy. Stop blaming all of these other factors that are having some effect again, to repeat. But look at the biggest one of all inconsistencies on how he was voting. And he went against Trump on something that was really stupid to go against Trump, something that we needed to get done that was going to have to get done in the first place. And you didn't have a plan. Show me the bill from two years ago. Show me the plan in the coalition from two years ago to make sure that the United States would not reach the debt limit. And then we can have a conversation about it. Well, outside of that, I don't want to hear it.

[Lane]

Maybe don't insinuate that the president is or is protecting pedophiles with zero evidence.

[Steven Crowder]

Zero.

[Lane]

Back up those claims, because if you don't want the ire of the executive branch on you, maybe you should not have done that.

[Political Commentator 1]

That.

[Lane]

What do you want to say? Unsubstantiated FBI reports that the Biden administration looks at. These are the most, like, uncredible. Incredible. What is it?

[Steven Crowder]

Uncredible.

[Lane]

Uncredible, yeah. Incredulous testimony that we've ever seen.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes.

[Lane]

And smear the names of other people that are Actually, yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

He went to the floor, by the way, and read names out and it was four random people that just happened to be in a lineup that he doxed, essentially. And like these people go after them. It's like, okay, that's fantastic. Do you see what happens?

[Lane]

That's some morally reprehensible stuff that he did with that.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Lane]

And I do think, again, I'm not going to come at any Thomas Massie voter.

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly family member)]

Nope.

[Lane]

Because I understand the Libertarian draw. I completely do. I don't agree with it, but I get it. Thomas Massie is not a good dude and he's a dork. And so if they want to run him in 2028, good luck with that, but do your best, I suppose.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, so. And that's, that's my final point and then we'll get moving here. Is that. Do you think, do you think that in 2028, in two years time, that age demographic thing that you guys are banking on, the young people voted for these guys, so of course they later. One, we already disabused you of that notion. But two, you think it's going to be in two years? Not. Not going to happen. Do you think it's going to be in six? Probably not going to happen either. They'll probably still be really close to in that group and it's going to be dominated by the 45 to 65 plus crowd. I think it's 70 plus percent of the voting block is in that age group. How long are you going to wait? Or we can just build a coalition

[Lane]

together and AI is going to make everyone live forever. So they'll.

[Steven Crowder]

That's true. Vote Republican that you don't like forever. I want change. I'm pissed off that we don't get changes often, but I hate this strategy of vote Democrat because they're the lesser of two evils. You haven't been paying attention. They are not the lesser of two evils. If there are two evils, they are the most evil possible that you could put on the ballot. Do not forget that. Now that I've given you kind of a piece of my mind here, I'll get down to my soapbox and we're actually going to have the folks at TAC Network USA give back to you. That brings us to Reverse Super Chat. There's no good way sometimes to kind of transition from a serious moment into, hey, free 50 free rumble premium subscriptions just given to you by Tax Network usa. Stop waiting on the IRS letters or frozen accounts. You know who you are out there. You've sent in letters to us. Call 866-686-1417 or visit tnusa.com Crowder Click the link in the description. And by the way, if you were just gifted a sub, take a screenshot, tag us on X Crowder or on Instagram and let us know. We like giving back to you guys because we love you and we want better for you. That's reverse super Chat. All right. And we've only got a couple of minutes here, so before I keep going too long into this, we'll start the next segment. Just wanted to say thanks. I know we got a raid from Dan a little while ago. Apologize for not acknowledging that earlier, but thank you very much for the raid, Dan, and thank you for hanging around with us. If you are a Rumble Premium member, in just a couple of minutes, we're going to go to Rumble Premium. If you're not, you can sign up today 99 annually or $9.99 a month. You can try it out. If you go annual, you get the wonderful mug right here. We actually have the co branded mug that has both logos Rumble and Louder with Crowder on it on one side. See this is this one right here. There you go. If you have any issues with that, by the way, let us know. Let us know. We want to make sure that you guys get your mug. You sign up, I'm trying to get all of them. When you sign up, after I think about a week, you get an email. They have to make sure everything kind of syncs up and then they send out a list. You get an email so that you can claim your mug. If you broke one as well, let us know. And we, we can make the option available for you to purchase a replacement. But if you're not a Rumble Premium member, you're going to continue on the Rumble lineup to Haley Caronia and go there and you can just keep watching. You don't have to do anything. But do us a favor, give us a shot. You think it's funny here? You think I get admonished out here? I get admonished more back there. And if that's what you want to see in Rumble Premium, you know, admonish, that's what you want to see later. I don't know what sick, sadistic mindset this chat has, but it does. It wants to see me admonished prior to the show even starting, I guess because I woke up and I breathed air.

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, that's cause you said Karenia wrong.

[Steven Crowder]

Coronia.

[Lane]

Nope, nope.

[Steven Crowder]

That's how he says it every single time. Are you telling me Steven says it,

[Josh Firestein]

but this is Steven's.

[Steven Crowder]

What's his? That can't be a thing. No, I know it's a show.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm not saying that.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm saying what? Is it Coronia or is it Karania? No. Yeah. Haley, admonish. I don't know. I'd admonish Haley. At this point, we can't do that, though. We don't really have the capability. Haley, Karania. Not Caronia. That other hoodlum over there. Okay. Sorry about that. I didn't mean to throw you off. I mean, now. I didn't mean to just take this

[Unidentified Speaker (possibly producer or co-host)]

train off the rails.

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