No Surprise: Another Trans Lunatic Mass Shooter - PLUS Under Secretary of State Sarah Rogers

Summary

Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder — "No Surprise: Another Trans Lunatic Mass Shooter – PLUS Under Secretary of State Sarah Rogers"

Date: February 17, 2026
Host: Steven Crowder
Notable Segment: Interview (partial) with Under Secretary of State Sarah Rogers

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Overview

This episode of Louder with Crowder dives into several controversial subjects: alleged patterns in mass shootings and their association with transgender individuals, cultural and theological critiques of modern Protestant Christianity (centered on viral "testimonies"), media and political narratives, and a focus on free speech issues in Europe with insights from Under Secretary of State Sarah Rogers. The show is marked by Crowder's signature provocative humor and blunt critique of what he perceives as leftist ideology and institutional hypocrisy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening and Episode Setup

• [01:04]–[04:05]: Crowder notes a "sequel" feeling about another mass shooting by a trans individual, condemning the media’s lack of coverage of the perpetrator’s gender identity.
  • Quote (Crowder, 01:07):
    "Here we go again. Whatever sequel cliche line you need, another trans shooter. But don't worry, it has nothing to do with being trans and there's no association with mental illness."
• Episode will also include guest Sarah Rogers, Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy, who is cited as both funny and serious.

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2. Critique of Modern Christian Influencers & Church Trends

[05:51]–[23:11]

• Wolves in Sheep's Clothing: Crowder discusses the phenomenon of viral Christian testimonies from individuals with questionable pasts, particularly focusing on a woman promoting a marriage-reconciliation course after repeated infidelity.
  • Criticism of Self-Help Courses in Christianity: The hosts dissect her narrative, arguing she absolves herself of responsibility while placing the onus for reconciliation and change fully on her husband.
• Biblical Gender Roles in Marriage:
  • Argument that the advice being sold directly opposes scriptural mandates about marital duty and sexual responsibility.
  • Quote (Crowder, 13:13):
    “The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, sex and likewise the wife to her husband ... The wife does not have authority over her own body, but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body, but yields it to his wife ... So not only is it described as a duty, not only is it reiterated as a duty, it's contextually reiterated without even using the word duty.”
• Critique of 'Instant Testimony' Culture:
  • Caution against platforms giving authority to unseasoned converts.
  • Belief that the Protestant church has been unduly influenced by feminism, leading to disorder and the acceptance of “Jezebel spirit” influencers.
• Memorable Moment—Satirical Critique
  • [18:07]: Crowder jokes, “Your tits aren't the gospel. Only share the gospel. I feel bad. I usually don't have to issue a warning if you have children there for a gospel message.”

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3. Patterns in Mass Shootings & Media Narratives

[25:29]–[44:08]

• Rhode Island Hockey Rink Shooting (Main Story):
  • Crowder chronicles a new mass shooting (Pawtucket, RI), perpetrator revealed as Robert/Roberta Dorgan, a trans individual.
  • Tracking of Trans Shooters: Crowder lists eight trans-perpetrated mass shootings since 2018, arguing the trend is underreported.
    • Quote (Crowder, 25:53): "The tally of trans shooters increased to eight since 2018 and two within the last week. [...] Still no mention at many of the major outlets that this shooter was trans and deranged."
• Media Coverage Critique:
  • Points to outlets (NYT, CBS, Politico) not mentioning the shooter’s gender identity.
  • Contrasts lack of media analysis when a shooter is trans versus other ideological crimes (e.g., Islamic extremism).
• On Ideologically Motivated Violence:
  • Argues when violence is tied to ideology—a pattern, not an “outlier”—it’s relevant to public safety.
  • Psychological Comorbidities in Transgender Community:
    • Cites high rates of mental illness, suicidality, and domestic violence among trans populations, comparing stats to those of Jews in Nazi concentration camps for emphasis.
      • Quote (Crowder, 40:07):
        "Also, 42% of trans adults have attempted suicide. 81% have thought about suicide. 56% have engaged in non suicidal self injury."
  • Crowder's Solution: Calls for classifying transgender identification as a mental illness, treated accordingly.
    • Quote (Crowder, 42:03):
      "Every single person who identifies or claims to be transgender needs to be classified as having a mental illness. That's the only solution."

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4. Feminism, ‘Patriarchy’, and Protection

• Crowder argues “patriarchy” and traditional gender roles historically protected women, and that feminism’s influence prevents women from being protected from predatory men (including biological men in female spaces).
  • Quote (Crowder, 44:14):
    "A woman cannot protect women from the transgender ideology any more than a woman can protect another woman from an angry 250 pound rapist on PCP. Patriarchy, as you define it, protected you from these animals."
• Claims progressive causes (“eat, pray, love” feminism, sexual liberation) have undermined social stability, leading to the current situation.

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5. Freedom of Speech in Europe, Segment with Under Secretary Sarah Rogers

[47:25]–[56:00]

• Sarah Rogers' Background:
  • Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy since October 2025, oversees U.S. messaging abroad.
  • Known for forthrightness on free speech.
• Highlighted Social Media Statement (Crowder reads Rogers, 48:59):
  • "Germany infamously retains very few jews, yet imported barbarian rapist hordes. As an American, I'm allowed to call them that under Merkel. Even today, Germany suppresses political opposition who point this out."
• Rogers's Europe Video Clip:
  • [49:20]: Rogers recounts European and UK policing of "hate speech":
    • “A British woman was dragged out of her bath by 11 police officers after she referred in a private text message to a man who allegedly violently assaulted her as, quote, a faggot. [...] In Sweden, an activist was jailed after he burned a Koran and referred to Islam as gay Islam. Finally, in Germany, a man faced a criminal investigation for referring to Green Party leader Ricardo Lang as, quote, fat.”
• Satirical Praise of Rogers’s Delivery:
  • [50:35] Crowder: “Fat. I'm quoting other people here—as she was gay, Islam and then faggot. But she led with faggot, which I very much appreciate.”
• Critique of International Press Freedom Rankings:
  • Mocks Reporters Without Borders for rating U.S. press freedom below Sierra Leone.
• Discussion of “hate speech” laws:
  • Illiberal effects of European hate speech restrictions; concern over slippery slope, moving targets, and the arbitrariness of definitions.
  • Would U.S. citizens trade freedom of speech for more government benefits? Crew says no, freedom isn’t worth trading for security or socialized healthcare.

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6. Listener Q&A & Church Leadership

[56:23]–[62:04]

• Advice on having difficult political conversations and dealing with media “talking points.”
• Gender and Church Leadership:
  • Reiterates that, per their biblical interpretation, women should not hold authority over men in church; encourages forming or seeking out male-led churches and online alternatives.
  • Quote (Co-host, 61:18): “There should not be ... female pastors. That's just not how God set up his church.”

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Memorable Quotes and Moments (with Timestamps)

• Crowder on the "cheating wife" influencer:
  • "You almost think he's the one who was out there cheating ... Are any women buying this? Are you understanding why men are checking out of the dating pool?" ([09:08]–[10:48])
• On social media conversion testimonies:
  • "Your tits aren't the gospel. Only share the gospel. I feel bad. I usually don't have to issue a warning if you have children there for a gospel message." ([18:07])
• On trans shooter statistics:
  • "The tally of trans shooters increased to eight since 2018 and two within the last week ..." ([25:29])
• On trans mental health stats:
  • "Also, 42% of trans adults have attempted suicide. 81% have thought about suicide... It's higher than Jews in Nazi concentration camps." ([40:07])
• On patriarchy:
  • "A woman cannot protect women from the transgender ideology any more than a woman can protect another woman from an angry 250 pound rapist on PCP. It's not possible." ([44:14])
• Sarah Rogers (via clip):
  • "A British woman was dragged out of her bath by 11 police officers after she referred in a private text message to a man who allegedly violently assaulted her as, quote, a faggot." ([49:20])
• Mocking free speech rankings:
  • "They had us right next to Sierra Leone. That's right, Sierra Leone." ([51:21])

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Important Timestamps by Segment

• Opening & Introduction: [01:04]–[04:05]
• Modern Christian Influencer Critique: [05:51]–[23:11]
• Mass Shooting, Media, and Transgender Discussions: [25:29]–[44:08]
• Patriarchy and Feminism Debate: [44:08]–[47:20]
• Free Speech Segment with Sarah Rogers: [47:25]–[56:00]
• Listener Questions (Church Leadership, etc.): [56:23]–[62:04]

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Summary Tone & Style

This episode is marked by sarcastic humor, bluntness, and a polemical tone with little patience for counter-arguments from left-leaning perspectives. There is a persistent thread of skepticism toward mainstream institutions—media, mainline Protestant churches, and even U.S. government agencies—paired with a call to return to traditional Christian and social values.

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Disclaimer:
This summary reflects the opinions, biases, and language of the hosts and guests as articulated in the episode. Quotes and references are transcribed verbatim to accurately represent the tone and substance of the conversation.

Transcript

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Gerald don't make me happy, then I can't do the show. Glad to be with you. Gerald likes to make me miserable before I do the show because he thinks I'm sharper. He thinks the hate keeps me warm. And today that's gonna come in handy because I'm getting too old for this. Here we go again. Whatever sequel cliche line you need another trans shooter. But don't worry, it has nothing to do with being trans and there's no association with mental illness. And as of mission control, make sure that I'm still correct as of the time of this broadcast, still no mention at many of the major outlets that this shooter was trans and deranged. So we're going to get into that. The ins and outs. What you need to know there is fake news out there as hap as is the case with all of these events. Now, unfortunately, outside of that, we have a very special guest today, the Undersecretary of State Sarah Rogers, who has been on a mission really over there in Europe. Tidings of free speech and some initiatives that are important. And you're also going to hear her quote somebody else and use the word, which is how I like my undersecretaries to be. I really like it when they use the word. So enjoy the show. What is overpaying on your taxes?

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[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

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[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Glad to be with you. We have to keep good time today because we have the undersecretary of state, Sarah Rogers on the show. She's hilarious. She is hilarious. It's a funny. It's a very serious position. It's a very serious title. And she's actually funnier than many guests we've had who are supposed to be funny. So at least in the clips. I don't know, maybe she has to be more subdued today. But let me ask you this. With the shooting question of the day, what patterns are you noticing with the shooters?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Nothing.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

We'll go through that today as we do all weekdays, 11am Eastern. Captain Morgan, how are you?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'm doing well. How are you?

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I'm doing well.

[Governor Dan McKee (clip)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Huge.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah. Your missus had a question for you last night. And so did. So did my lady. I said yes. Noodles is a problem.

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Weird.

Yeah.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I don't know.

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They had to lower the water in the toilets because he kept complaining. Every time he sits down, that thing just dips right in.

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Yeah, we had to change the right angle of the pipes.

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Yeah.

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Like a submarine kept right angle.

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Install your problem with a step ladder. Get all the way up there.

He has to wear Ipsy hammer pants.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

That's enough, guys.

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We went fishing last week. I used noodles as an angle.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Oh, come on. Hey, no.

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And the bait.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Ew.

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That was that line.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

That was just dangled. A glow worm. Yeah, exactly.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

All right.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Friday, Saturday, March 20th, 21st, at the. Oh. Summit Comedy. Summit City Comedy Club in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Not Firestein.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Hello.

Good morning.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Good morning. And Billy, we do have the other mic because I know we had several people in studio. Right.

[Producer/Tech Support]

Is that other.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I was making.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'm used to mics.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

No, no, I don't need you.

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You don't need it.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Come on. It's one mic per person. Yeah, that's it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

All right.

Don't be selfish.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

All right. So this first thing, though, and I want you to comment below if you are. Particularly if you are a Christian, particularly if you're a Protestant Christian in the United States. Have you noticed the wolves in sheep's clothing? And, you know, we talked about Na La Rey, for example. There's a real trend now for people to sort of build, in some cases, what may be false testimonies. It used to be you went through, you know, a transformative experience. You sat in the pew for a while, you learned, and then you may be able to reach People who had similar experiences or, or had walked a similar path of sin before redemption. Now there's a really quick turnaround to sell a course that leads people down a distinctly anti biblical road. So this is one that I found, I don't even know how I stumbled across, does all of those things as well as embarrasses a real life husband on social media in the name of modern Christianity. See if you can spot the problem.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Even though I don't deserve it, you did it.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

What my husband did to bring me back after I cheated on him for another man.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Left for another man.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yes. And here's what she wrote on her profile. She wrote, here's what many people get wrong. Yes. God restores, he heals, he renews. And as much as there is a part only God can do, there's a part we have to do. My husband didn't just pray and wait, he obeyed. He sought godly counsel. He invested in mentorship and support. He allowed himself to be stretched, corrected and refined. You almost think he's the one who was out there cheating and says, yeah, he confronted himself with discomfort, the discomfort that you were committing adultery, and learned how to lead me away from committing adultery, love me in spite of your adultery, and stand firm in truth in ways he never had before in the face of adultery. It wasn't easy. She writes, because you committed adultery. It was humbling, I guess, because he committed adultery. So it was embarrassing. It's deeply uncomfortable. Adultery does that. But his obedience didn't just restore a marriage, it saved our family from your adultery.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Now, to be clear, better synopsis of what happened.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

If you scroll down the line, she'd be like, and then he was going to. He was using prostitutes. And that would seem. She also discussed how they had an open marriage. So they had an open marriage, both of them making mistakes. But then she was going to leave and fell in love with another man. And it's incumbent upon the man to correct it. This brings us to the bio there, where by the way, of course, she.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Actually got divorced, right?

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

They did.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

They divorced, got divorced and then got back together. So it was like she didn't just like go and like, you know, have an adulterous affair or something like that, or start. She like actually left. Divorced, gone, done.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And they're kids, by the way, and.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Fell in love with another man. She made sure to mention that a lot on her page, that she fell in love with another man. Never mentions of love, which is interesting.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yes, is very interesting. And mentions that, you know, she was the one who left him repeatedly. Repeatedly. Repeatedly, repeatedly. And the good news is you can. There's some kind of a course.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, she sells a course.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, there's some kind of a course.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

She can teach your husband how to give good massages and how to keep his wife.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah. Because you know, this is the man's job to fix. Just to be clear, the bio reads restoring marriages after adultery that she committed. Supporting women to soften after. I guess the woman commits adultery. Equipping men to lead after the woman commits adultery on him. Equipping men to lead after you committed adultery and posted about it. Equipping them. So like a two by four with a nail in it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

She means by equipping men to lead, she means telling him, hey, when I cheat, you have to bring me back.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Right. Right. Yeah. How about you work. This is the thing too with marriages. How about you work on you and he'll work on him. It's really a simple equation. Now the thing that most women in the church or many women in the church don't like is that even if he's not working on himself, it's still not. If you subscribe to the Bible, still not your place to tell him how to work on him. And it's certainly not your job to equip him with the tools that's between him and God and the men who hold him accountable. And it's certainly not your job to equip after you have repeatedly committed adultery and embarrassed him all over social media in spite of the courses that you want to sell. Are any women buying this? Are you understanding why men are checking out of the dating pool? Comment below. Do you guys see this? This is the problem with the modern sort of feel good self help. You can say non denominational church.

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Yeah. The Protestant church really does get a lot of things wrong, unfortunately. I like the idea of a Protestant church that has a little bit more freedom. But I hate it when you completely run away from tradition and you completely go for stuff like this, like this new age idea of what a relationship with God is. By the way, I scrolled and I tried to find. I don't, I don't have an Instagram account personally, but I tried to find. So maybe it's there and I couldn't her saying here's what I did to work on me.

Oh, it's not there.

Here's my problem that it's either joint with or him.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

It seems it's joint.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Everything was him.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, it's mostly him related.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Well, like we made mistakes, but he had to go work on him. I'm like, what? Wait, wait a minute. You literally divorced your husband and left for another man? Where is the I screwed up part?

She fell in love with another man. She didn't just leave for another man. She fell in love. She's still in love.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Well, the good news is she has. If you find yourself in a situation like this where a woman cheats on you, falls in love with another man, abandons you and your family, the good news is there is hope for you if you subscribe to this course and if you follow her advice. For example, here is some advice that she gives to men on how to prevent cheating or the withholding of sex. Should your wife be doing so?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, make sure you get the.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, make sure you get the breast in there. She writes, and she's like half German. Has your wife ever shut down when you approached her or even when you are in the middle of being close to each other? There are many reasons for this. I will not get into it right now. But here are three things you can do as a loving husband to tend your relationship so it can be long lasting, fruitful covenant you both desire. Number one, during the day, no matter if you are at work or some. This is advice towards a man, by the way, during the day, no matter if you are at work, providing a roof and protection which I will abandon and take half somewhere away, or if you are both in the same place, make sure to create moments of connection and safety for her. A hug, a smile, a deep gaze into each other's eyes or prayer. This is part of your intimacy that will set the tone for many more things you experience together. He's coming home getting the bad drum. Now, it's an extreme example to make a point, but which one would be. Which one would be more biblical? Yeah, let's go. All of it is advice to men. Men work on men and then women work on men. Here's another one about the biggest lies about sex according to her. Biblically, that you shouldn't fall for the biggest lie about sex and marriage. And you probably believe that.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, boy.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

She writes the biggest lie about sex and marriage and you probably believe it. Okay, here are four. Number one, sex is a duty for the wife or husband. Number two, these are lies according to her.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Number two, sex is a transactional thing. You do X and I give get Y. Number three, it isn't so important and totally overrated. Number four, the wife gives her husband sex and if not, he goes somewhere else to get it. Well, no one says well, that's. Just toss that in there. Let's deal with the first one. Because she doubles down on that. She writes, so first of all, it is not a duty, but designed for you to be a gift in your marriage. If you don't want to do it, but somehow feel like you have to, you're doing something wrong. Let me take you to First Corinthians 7, verse 3 through 5. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, sex and likewise the wife to her husband. Does that say feeling? Oh, it says marital duty. Yes. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but yields it to her husband. Getting kind of clear now. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body, but yields it to his wife. Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time so that you may devote yourself to prayer, then come together again. Meaning like then immediately come back together so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self control. So not only is it described as a duty, not only is it reiterated as a duty, it's contextually reiterated without even using the word duty, saying that your own body is not under your authority but your husband's and vice versa. Then the Bible goes on to say, and contextually, if you both agree to it. For example, maybe a time of prayer and fasting, just like denying yourself sweets, which isn't in and of itself evil. Of course these things God can create for good. If you both agree, immediately go back because pragmatically you are more likely to stumble or be tempted if you're denying either of your spouse sex. It is a duty. You need to do it. So let me.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

This sounds awful by the way.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I know.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Coming to coming together and agreeing to have a sex fast like that's like. That's like coming together and asking hey, you want to have leftovers tonight?

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Sometimes together you make Sometimes there's also.

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A things out women we can like.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

You'Re like, all right, I love that by the way.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I just want to go back to her quote. The first thing she starts off with is a complete biblical lie.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

It's a lie. It's not a duty.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's not. It's not an accident. It's not something that she mistook and she misunderstood. It is a 1 100% biblical lie. If somebody does something like this, immediately discount everything they say after that and move on down the road. Don't sign up for the course if it's $49.99 but wait, sign up.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

It literally says, ignore God's command and go with your feeling. And by the way, your feeling is dependent on. Does he create moments of safety and intimacy while he's at work? And he should be working. So I'll give you two examples. Sex is a gift. Actually, it's not a duty. If you don't feel it, something's wrong. Okay, that's hers. I'm going to give you an extreme example to make a point. Then I'm going to ask you a question. Okay. He says he wants to do it. Open your legs and show your husband sexual gratification. Which one is more in line with the biblical description of a sexual duty of a spouse. And the same for she comes home, she's into it, you're not. Sorry, brother, you gotta. You gotta go.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You gotta pony up, dude.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

You gotta go.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yep.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Which one is more biblical? Because only one is offensive to almost half the Protestant congregation. The people who buy these courses. This is a bigger problem than leftism in a lot of ways, because the enemy is inside the house. And I'll show you this too, you know, you know, by fruit to the tree. And I get it. People can make mistakes and they can be redeemed, but that's what they're hoping. As you get hooked with the Lord can restore marriages. So someone goes, well, great, I'm listening. And none of it is your fault. He has to do all of it. Ah, that is as anti biblical as it gets. But we can also look at some other bangers she has on her profile, like this one about falling for another dude. Again, very public and describing and embarrassing her husband. What I wish I knew as a wife, in the season of not wanting sex with my husband, almost divorcing and falling out of love with a man. I thought she was terrible. And then the course in the caption is all about how he needs to do something better. And then here's another one, by the way, because she wants you to know that she had the Jezebel spirit.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yes.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And it left her.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

But what a nice excuse that is.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, it was.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, I was. I wasn't a skank. No, no, no. I was possessed.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Oh, don't.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Shut the hell up.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Don't Jezebel shame me.

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I didn't like any of the sex I had. I don't think about it anymore. Or the man I fell in love with and never talk about anymore.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

It's Jezebel liberation.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It was Jezebel's fault, not mine.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

But then she even shows you, like, right now this Christian woman who offers up these courses or whatever it is, email newsletters, she wants you to really see the new Christian she is by the transformation of Jezebel leaving her body.

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Watch the Jezebel spirit leave me. I didn't know what I was playing around. Then I got saved and I became a disciple of Jesus Christ. Now I can only share the gospel and expose and destroy the enemy's work. All glory to our Lord and his grace.

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Amen.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Your tits aren't the gospel. Only share the gospel. I feel bad. I usually don't have to issue a warning if you have children there for a gospel message.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, not typically.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

No.

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I mean, be warned, Jezebel spirits are in the room.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yes.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You don't see twerking and gospel typically.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Typically, not so much. I mean, even at this point, I'm like, you know what? Bring back snake handling.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's better.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Everybody puts on a facade for social media. We know that because it's not reality. Here's how the Jezebel spirit really left her body. Oh, my God. See, that doesn't go over as well on the gram.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That was something else.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

But you know, here's the thing. If she really did change her ways, remember, like Nala Ray had her only fans open for a long time, I think. I don't even know if she still does. But until she started her online. Her online course. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

She was still going to like only fans events and stuff too, after being saying she was preaching the gospel.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

To proselytize, guys. Sure. To proselytize. Can you imagine if early missionaries, they went in like. Well, you know, went in Rome and they're just being cannibals. Like, how am I going to relate to them otherwise?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Well, I work at the whorehouse and the nunnery.

Yes.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

It's part. She's one of those brothel nuns. Yeah. Plays a mean organ. Here are examples.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'll take everything, Sister.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yes, Here are examples of. This is still on her Instagram page, you know, right beneath the new newsletter. Or course you can get on how to tell your husband to woo you back after you've cheated. This is still there. First, the fruits of the spirit. Oh, couldn't hit the delete button.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Devil horns literally covered in holy water. They have a lot of views.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Can't delete them.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Is the remedy.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Jesus Christ.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, she is possessed.

Yeah, maybe she was.

Oh, that's see through undies.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

That's cool.

[Announcer]

Opening inferno ceremony. You hopped in the sex bomb goddess container.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Wow.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Again, if your kids are watching, they shouldn't Be. But this is a.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

This is still on her page.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Bible study the hell after.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

She said all I can. The only thing I can share is the Gospel.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And my ass cheeks slamming down on stage.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And I behold a pale ass. And syphilis followed with it. And Jesus wept. Yeah, you guys. You guys see the problem? And then you'll get all these. The sisterhood who come out and go, you're a chauvinist. This isn't red pill, by the way. No one here is advocating for promiscuity and going out and sleeping with a bunch of women. We are saying, avoid women like this. You're no longer safe, even seeking in the church. This is a cancer, to be clear. Hey, delete those. I want to show them me and my sin and all. No, no, no, no, no, no. You can talk about it. What kind of message do you think is being sent out there? We had an open relationship for a very long time. By the way, these are all my videos. Here are my nipples. Also, here's Jesus. How about no. How about we go back to, like, traditionalism really needs to make a comeback as it relates to faith. This is a serious problem, young women. How many of you believe this? Is it more offensive to you for slut shaming and for false prophet shaming? If that applies here. Like, it's just. It's just evil. This is evil straight from the pit of hell. Everything she says is wrong. And just so you know, it's always the man's fault.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And to me, it's not even the promiscuity of her past that is the bothersome thing. It's the fact that she leaves it up there and then says all the stuff about how she left and how God saved her marriage. And here. Oh, by the way, buy it. Buy the course. I have 4,000 followers. Hopefully one of you buys my course.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

That's the.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

We should have to wonder if your conversion is genuine.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And now more are fake than not.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Well, and we have strong evidence. And this was a critique. I don't remember what conference it was, but when Nala Rae went and spoke, was it at the TPUSA Women's conference last year?

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Was it.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

She was scheduled for it. I don't know if she. If she went through because there was.

A lot of criticism about it beforehand and other things. And I'm just like, guys, what are we doing here? Like, she's selling classes online. I don't. Listen, I don't care if the conversion is 100% genuine like you said, you Sit in the pew for a little while. You have a little bit of seasoning in time. Like, we've gotten away from that. How many pastors do we need to see rise to stardom and fall? How many people do we need to see come into Christ and then run away from it because they don't have any idea what it is? We cannot put these people out there and we cannot listen to them as experts on Christianity. And I think the problem, Stephen, is that you're pointing out is that the Protestant church doesn't know how to distinguish between somebody who's seasoned and somebody who should be listened to and somebody who's doing just like this because they're like. It feels good, so therefore it must be real. Get them on stage. Let's hear that fresh testimony.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

The problem is the Protestant church fears feminism. They think it's a foe they can't overcome. They're afraid of it because it's the women of the church who bring kids to Sunday school. It's the women who get involved and overly involved in many ways, and they're afraid of losing them. They're afraid of offending them. And so these testimonies are brilliant. Can you imagine, can you imagine genuinely, any church that would host a man who had his old Chippendales video still up saying, I divorced my wife, cheated on her, but you know what? She really put in the work, and I was willing to give her a second chance. Can you imagine that man's testimony at a church?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No, let's just. The men, not even the church leadership, the men in the congregation would not allow it.

No.

They would boo him or run him off the stage by any means necessary.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah. The problem is that Jezebel Spirit has been taking over the modern Christian Protestant church. And you can't blame secularism when you have failed your people in trying to moderate, in trying to pander to an audience who, by the way, will never actually care about the gospel and the truth. They actually are repelled by it. And so they turn God into an idol. They turn God into an idol. They worship a false God because it makes them feel better. And go to tnusa.com or call 1-800-958-1000 to get a 100% free consultation because don't get piped on taxes. It's almost as bad as a subversion of the church.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I am repelled by paying more in taxes.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Me, too.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Should.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

So am I.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

How dare they?

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I always wish everyone. I'm like, I'm gonna do it this year. I'm gonna protest. I'm not gonna pay my taxes. I'm like, I don't want to go to jail.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And he called me like, charlie, we gotta.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Oh, my God, we gotta do this stuff.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Make sure.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Don't let me get. Don't let me get Mike Tyson. Now you can.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You can do your taxes. Just lie.

No, no, this is really. Take DNA. You can't say that.

No, no, that was. That was a. That was a softball. You're supposed to go, no, Josh, that's dumb. Call Tax Network, idiot.

Yeah, you're gonna go.

Right, right, right.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Gerald panicked. That's the beauty of Foundation. It's the only other company already Foundation Daily. Like, no CEO is going to disapprove the ads because it's me.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Oh, boy.

Oh, he already tried. Yeah, he already tried to disapprove one. It's not happening.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

We can do anything. All right, this is obvious story right now. It's a story that's. It's everywhere in the news and for good reason. Yesterday in Rhode island, well, the tally of trans shooters increased to eight since 2018 and two within the last week. Yeah, two within the last week. So that's the new tally. Has nothing to do with transo.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

No, no.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Now, let me go through those for those of you who missed it. References available link in the description. 2018, Aberdeen. Trans shooter killed four. 2019, Highlands Ranch, Colorado. Trans shooter killed one, injured four, Colorado Springs in 2022. The non binary shooter. I include it. A lot of these other stats don't. Killed five at a gay nightclub. 2023, Nashville. Of course, you remember Audrey Hale, Covenant School. 2024, Perry, Iowa. Gender fluid shooter killed at a High School. 2025, Minneapolis, Minnesota. The trans shooter killed two, injured 29 at Annunciation Church and then 20. Well, yeah, this is 2026, Tumblr Ridge, British Columbia. The trans shooter killed eight, injured 25 at home, and of course, at the Tumblr Ridge Secondary School. And now you can add to that list. Now, this technically wouldn't be a mass shooting, but I'm going to include it as relevance because the left does it. They massage these numbers. Anyway, this brings us to Pawtucket, Rhode Island.

[Announcer]

This is the moment gunshots rang out at a high school hockey game in Pawtucket, Rhode Island. Student athletes and people in the stands fleeing for safety.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It was a bang.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I thought it was her pops.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I thought it was. I thought it was balloons at first, but it was not balloons.

[Announcer]

In the end, two victims and the suspected shooter were dead. Three others were left in Critical condition. Police say a brave bystander was able to subdue the gunman and prevent even more bloodshed. A good Samaritan stepped in and interjected in this scene. And that's probably what led to a swift end of this tragic event. Police identifying the shooter as 56 year old Robert Dorgan, who also went by the name Roberta.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Right, yeah. So a couple of things here. I'm going to get to who this person is, what we actually know, dispel maybe some of the fake news out there. This I guess would fall under the reverse nirvana fallacy where people on the left would say, well, we haven't really had a. We haven't had a huge number of trans shooters. We haven't had a bunch of men in women's sports that used to be in the. Change my mind in 2016. Okay. Just because this hasn't been the norm yet, you are assuming that it'll all be great. We're looking at warning signs and saying, oh, considering the comorbidities, considering the domestic violence rates, considering the suicidal ideation and attempts at suicide that are seen nowhere else in nature, maybe these people are showing us some warning signs as to mental instability and we don't actually want to accelerate it. And now we are seeing these acts of mass violence occur at a very rapidly accelerating rate. It's hard to find empirical data on that because the powers that be don't want you to. So first, who is this man? Robert Dorgan, also goes by Roberta Dorgan. So Robert, Roberta Dorgan, not to be confused with Roberta Dorgan, noted boxer of the infamous no Cox debacle fight. It was shameful for the people of Panama. The family, enough people around. Remember Roberto Durand? He's okay with it. The family says that the shooter targeted other members of his family and that surprise had mental health issues. I'm not sure if they, if they sort of uncouple the mental health issues. Like had mental health health issues. Aside from being, you know, trans and believing that he was something that he couldn't possibly be. I'm not sure, but this is how it was described.

[Announcer]

My father was a shooter.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

What happened? He shot my family and he's dead. Now this woman leaving the police station.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Speaking with reporters, saying her father was the one who opened fire inside of the hockey rink.

[Announcer]

He has mental health issues.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Any idea why he would have done this?

[Announcer]

He's sick.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

He's very sick. Yeah, clearly.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yes.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And this has been going on for a while. So 2019, 2020, Dorgan underwent gender reassignment Surgery. The father in law threatened to kick him out of the home. He called him a slur and he threatened to have him killed by an Asian street gang.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Wow.

Oddly specific.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

But quickly changed his mind once he saw said Asian street gang. The Ray boys are gonna rock them tonight.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I would have just pushed him over the.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

We're gonna watch a battle drop tonight now.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And our guest is backed up.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

It's funny that. No, no, no, she won't. I'm kidding. It's funny that we have to say this. And there is an argument over this person being mentally disturbed. Now the argument takes place over, like I said, if this person was mentally disturbed regardless or in spite of this transgenderism once upon a time, you would want. Well, here's a picture. So clearly mentally disturbed. Right? Right.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah. The lipsticks up the cheek.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, that's what it would have been. Look at this picture. See, this boy's sick. See, Shaking the head. See, that's what have been if James Cagney was the one presenting it. But let me just ask you, does this person look normal to you if you knew nothing else?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Goodbye, pe. Goodbye, penis. Goodbye, penis. I'm getting rid of you, penis.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Sometimes I'm trying to avoid copyright. It turns out better than the song. What I also do find funny about this particularly disturbed transy is that they decided to do spreads that looked like an early 90s Moto Mag. Like that is their niche. In front of the Lambo, you know, in the female thong, in front of the motorcycle, right on the heels, by the way of his upcoming motocross special on Disney. People on audio, you're missing out. In none of those photos.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Did he look like he was doing anything Latina?

No.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

No, he did not.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yet his name is Roberta.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, I don't know Roberta. I like the name.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's a very manly name.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Say it loud. That my penis is shrinking.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's gone.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

So let me go on the rest.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Of my life without seeing him in a thong.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I know, but you didn't.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

But yeah, now you get that.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

So. So legacy media. Let's go to them. As of the time of this broadcast, or at least when we started, several outlets made no mention of the trans ideation here after it was well known, meaning it was reported everywhere else on new media, social media and confirmed. So places that didn't mention it at all because even though their job is to inform you, they didn't think this was pertinent information. The New York Times, cbs, Politico. Since the identity has been revealed, there's been no mention from on social media, the Krachenstein brothers, Harry Sisson, Brooklyn dad, David Hogg, Hasan Piker. No mention of it because it's not relevant. It's not relevant. Even though this is the second in a week. And this is a thing that matters too. I understand. It's not lost on me. I understand that there are domestic disputes. I understand once upon a time the expression going postal, someone just had it and snapped. Those do happen. And sometimes they're a white male. That would be most common, you'd imagine, because it's the largest demographic in this country. The reason that it matters, if it's an Islamic terror attack or the reason that it matters if it involves a trans individual, is because these people have told you their ideology. You don't have to go through the detective work of figuring out the motivation when they tell you there are plenty of outliers and there are plenty of single incidents of violence. Probably more. They're probably more numerous because they happen more frequently. Heat of the moment, right? Passion crimes. But as far as ideologically motivated crimes, if there's a pattern, that is important information. If your duty is to keep the public informed and safe, does that make sense? You guys can comment below. And we'll be back tomorrow as we are every day, 11am Eastern. Just tune in live. We still do this show live and we can talk about it. Here is The Rhode island governor, Dan McKee, addressing this again. His job is to inform his citizens, make sure. Are there any other threats what would keep you safe? Focused on gun violence. No mention of the outlying condition of the suspect.

[Governor Dan McKee (clip)]

Our state is grieving again. As governor, a parent and a former coach, my heart breaks for the victims, families and everyone impacted by the devastating shooting at lynch arena in Pawtucket. I want to talk to the families out there right now. Too many Rhode Islanders know what it feels like to lose a loved one, a neighbor or a friend to gun violence. And a tragedy like this is incredibly difficult for people of any age to process. Today we are praying for Rhode island and those who are suffering from this tragedy.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Well, good. You have all the need to knows. You can thank your governor. Rhode Islanders, let's go through some of the claims that are out there right now and narratives that people are trying to champion. Here's the first narrative. Narrative claim he did it because of Nick Fuentes or Thomas Massie or Alex Jones or something. Here's the truth. He did it because he's a lunatic. And how do I know he's a lunatic? I've seen pictures that's enough.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, but there's more.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, and here's something else. He may, by the way, be a fan of some right wing commentators. I'm sure if you took all the trans shooters, and there are many, if you took all of the violent trans people, some would like country, some would like hip hop, they all like Cher. I'm sure you would see that. But that's not what unites them. You know what is most important? Well, the good news is you know what's most important? Because the left has defined it as gender identity. This person is a lunatic because of their identity. How is it described? Gender identity? You made it central to their identity, not us. It's not a preference. It's not just something they do in their off time. It's not a hobby. It's their central identity. Identity. You have nonprofits to preserving, protecting and spreading said identity that needs to be addressed before the podcast that he may or may not listen to. And also it's misleading by itself. Let me give you this X conversation that involves those players who are being mentioned. So Kevin Sorbo posted this. He posted Tim McBride is a man community. Note this if I'm wrong, okay, about that person. You remember Tim McBride, the shooter, Roberta, as he likes to be called, wrote, keep bashing us, but do not wonder why we go berserk. And that also, by the way, stems from feminism. Right? It's not your fault someone made you feel. Therefore if you go berserk, well that's on them then Alex Jones in the same thread referred to Sarah McBride as so creepy. The shooter said shut the F up, Alex. Don't be so butthurt over somebody different. Then wonder why trans people go effin berserk. Seems to like that phrase.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Loves the berserk element of it all.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Caps.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And so that I would say is a sign of instability. Also dressing in ladies panties, also mutilating your body. Also just before you get to this, before you get to this, like the buzzword out there is narcissist. That's what all these women will say, like are you in a relationship with a narcissist? And that means like if a guy combs his hair. How about a guy who gets off on people seeing him in a dress and he's willing to sacrifice his family. The leftist said that's a virtue. By the way. It goes back to feminism. It goes back to eat, pray, love, you can go, just leave your folks, just leave your abandoned. As long as you're finding yourself spiritually across India, which By the way, is bereft of any spirituality. They. They poop wherever it falls. To be clear. So now it's, hey, how I feel is more important. We mock things that used to be seen as virtues, right? It used to be like, hey, stay together for the kids. Then people go, oh, so we're supposed to stay together for the kids? Well, if the choice is that or leaving and getting a sex change operation and then living a life of complete depravity, why is it so silly for people to stay together for the kids? Why is the notion so silly of, you know what? It's not about me.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Me.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

It's not about me. That's how it used to be, you know, under patriarchy. It's not about me. We're gonna stay together for the kids, okay? We'll have some twin beds and, you know, we'll just keep this cordial. If that's the best that you can do. 2. I don't like it. So I'm leaving. I'm going to follow my truth. And would we see this kind of mindset manifest itself in other statistical realities that tell us we are going the wrong direction? Well, let's look at the transgender, whatever it is. Domestic violence, the relationship stats. So 43% of those in trans relationships admitted perpetrating intimate partner violence. Ooh, that seems pretty high.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's a lot.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

43%. That's higher than the false bill of goods that feminists sold you. Well, back in the day, men used to just come home and beat all their wives and nothing was done. It was never true. It was a small minority. That's where whipping post comes from. Because it was never acceptable to beat women. There were men who did it. It was never acceptable. You didn't get a 43% rate.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's admitting to perpetrating it.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

That's admitting.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's not admitting to being a victim of it. Which you think would be higher. You think that number would be a lot lower for perpetrators. Like, hey, I didn't do that. But no, they willfully admit it.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I would also, I would wager that if 43% admitted it, probably more have done it. Yes, that's what.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, exactly.

Not everybody admits to their crimes.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, it appears I smacked a bitch. He deserved it. Also, 42% of trans adults have attempted suicide. 81% have thought about suicide. 56% have engaged in non suicidal self injury. 31% have drug abuse or substance abuse problems. And again, the suicide or attempted suicide rates don't really get any better after having an Operation. Keep in mind. Keep in mind that's because of the mistreatment. It's higher than. And I've been making this point for years, it's higher than Jews in Nazi concentration camps. It's higher than American slaves. It's higher than blacks under Jim Crow laws. You think they're treated more poorly. The only other place where you can find a rate that even approaches this, paranoid schizophrenics. And even though it's debatable, and this.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Isn'T to make fun or to tease, this is concerning that medical professionals aren't allowed to practice medicine the proper way, and they're not allowed to give these people treatment. They're supposed to just go, yep, yep, yeah, sure. Affirm, affirm, affirm, you're not crazy. Yep. A background check for a gun, totally fine. Go shoot up your family at an ice hockey rink.

Anytime a guy is looking at, like, doing something that's a little different, do you look around to your friend group like, okay, is this acceptable? Can I. Can I wear this color shirt or something? Like, it's pink. I don't know if my friends are gonna mess with me. Something small like that. I want every trans person in America, when they look around to the friend group, they find loving people that tell them the truth. That that is not okay. Something is wrong. That is not who you are. I don't want them to find safe quarter, because then they end up like this person. If they had had somebody earlier on say, hey, look, this is not the way to go. Instead of, hey, this is just how they feel. You got to let them go through this. No, you don't.

Because it's not just their gender. They actually have a mental disorder.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I want every single person. This is the problem, too, with people on the right who go, oh, you can do whatever you want as an adult. I have said that an individual interactions on, you know, let's say, an acquaintance basis. I'll use the name that you legally have, because at that point, I probably don't even know what your other name is. But I'm not gonna act like you are the gender that you claim to be if you very clearly are not. I don't believe adults can do whatever they want to do so long as you stay away from kids, because I believe you have no leg to stand on. I believe, as everyone did up until a DSM 5, every single person who identifies or claims to be transgender needs to be classified as having a mental illness. That's the only solution.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And treat it some way.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Some and treat it the same way you would treat any other mental illness. You comment if you think that's too harsh. And by the way, doesn't mean that I hate you. I don't hate people who are bipolar. I don't hate people who are schizophrenic. I've known people. I don't hate people who are drug addicts. They're very hard to get along with. But I don't hate them. And I would be willing to try and help you get some assistance. I am not going along with this. I have not gone along with this. We as a society need to declare trans mental illness. It's not allowed in public spaces. These are people who get a sexual thrill. Get a sexual thrill through being seen in ladies clothing. This guy didn't even try, by the way. No, I'm sure this guy went from his cycle of steroids to I'm a chick. Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And then he's wearing a lady's thong and a bra for some reason. What's the bra about?

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, a little ambitious. This is where we are. This, this is where we are. There'll be more information that comes out. Hey, hey, Was it. I want to make sure I get these right so that they don't. They don't sue me. It was. I'm going. It was. Was it C. Cbs, Politico, New York Times. Cbs, Politico, New York Times. No mention. None. Hey, maybe we can go in there and also see if they have write ups about domestic violence in trans households and really in lesbian households. That's the only place where it's really high. Maybe we can see if they write about the suicide rates. Maybe we can see if they write about the self harm rates. Maybe we could see if these same places write about the comorbidity rates that you see with no other mental illness. Maybe they do that. I'm willing to bet that they don't.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You would think that the feminists and the left would be all on board on these studies. Like, hey, we need to learn about this.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, you would think so. But they can't. And you'll get some women, the J.K. rowlings who go like, well, I guess I'm a turf because you're taking over women's spaces. Yeah, but here's the thing. You need to go full conservative, otherwise you are of no value. Because guess what, to try and roll back the trans thing, but then continue with all the other feminist bullshit takes us nowhere. You, you bitch about patriarchy. It's what protected women from this. Because Women cannot protect women from men. It's not a thing. That's why we had. Me too. That's why feminists complain about rape culture and not in the same way regarding men. Women cannot protect women from men. Only men can. And men. This entire time, let's go through it. Every single piece of feminist messaging. Women's sexual liberation. You know what the dads are saying, don't do that, don't do that. I don't care if you have birth control. Don't do that. How's that working out for you? Onlyfans? Men going, wait a second. Transit. Hold on. I don't want them in women's spaces. Kicked out of the PTA meeting, fired, hate speech. You look at the voting block. Until it came, until it hit a little too close to home. The majority of women thought it's fine. And even half of women thought, yeah, yeah, we can let them compete in sports. It doesn't affect anybody. Only when it negatively affects their feels. A woman cannot protect women from the transgender ideology any more than a woman can protect another woman from an angry 250 pound rapist on PCP. It's not possible. Patriarchy, as you define it, protected you from these animals. And I say that in no uncertain terms. The animals have to go back to where we house animals, prisons or mental institutions until they are reformed and no longer animals. And it doesn't need to be a mass shooting. It doesn't need to be a shooting. It just needs to be something that violates basic foundational principles of our country. That women have the right to be protected from men. And it's men's job to do it. But by God, men are afraid to do it. Now why? Well, because we've been told, sit down and shut up. If you want us to stand up for you, then guess what? You're gonna have to acknowledge that there's only one person who can stand up for you. There's only one group who can. And you don't get to put them back on the shelf when you're no longer facing a threat. It's like having a pilot, you know, having a plane in the hangar. You don't need it all the time, but when you need it, it, you need it. That's men. That's patriarchy. They're the ones who've been fighting this for a very long time. Also, by the way, you can right now. I forgot to mention the rumble. Wallet. You can download, right?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

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[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

No, it's not.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Wallet.rumble.com. we'll make a link available in the.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, it's a full featured wallet, but it specifically allows you to help with creators. Yeah, exactly.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You get around banks, you get around all these payment services that like to cut people off. Speaking of Alex Jones earlier.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yes. And I know we're going. I know we're getting our guests on, so let me just introduce some people out there, if you're not familiar. So this next lady who we're going to have on the show, Sarah Rogers, she is the Undersecretary of State for public diplomacy since October 2025, I believe. So she's really kind of in charge of informing sort of foreign bodies, foreign publics of the State Department policy. So almost like an ambassador type role, to be clear. And she's really been championing freedom of speech. I know we covered this yesterday, the RSF list as far as Freedom of the Press Index. And did you say that we have her on?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I believe so.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I believe we have her on. So please, what you can follow undersecpd on X, but let's welcome for the very first time the Undersecretary of State, Sarah Rogers. Oh, sorry, Ms. Rogers, your mic was muted there. I don't know if we can hear you one second there. Noodles, can you. Does she need to unmute her mic?

[Producer/Tech Support]

It appears to be unmuted on our end.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yes.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Oh, no.

[Producer/Tech Support]

Unfortunate.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

All right, well, then how about this? You work with her there and I'll. Sorry, one moment, Ms. Rogers. We'll get you going. I'm gonna read actually some statements from you as we get ready. So she's made quite a name on X with some heaters out there like this one. She wrote, germany infamously retains very few chews, yet imported barbarian rapist hordes. As an American, I'm allowed to call them that under Merkel. Even today, Germany suppresses political opposition who point this out.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I love.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's hilarious that she's like, as an American, I can actually say this like, as opposed to your citizens who cannot say this.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And we just trust. We just covered this yesterday. This is very important because it's central, it's foundational to our actual freedom of the press. The First Amendment. I wanted to play this clip that Sarah Rogers recorded while she was in Europe.

[Announcer]

In December, I got off my European train and checked into my European hotel and noticed that a member of European Parliament called Helmut Bronstedter tweeted, quote, there's no censorship in Europe. Everyone has to follow our rules. Well, I'm traveling here on a diplomatic passport, so I thought I'd take this opportunity to say a few things that ordinary Europeans can't by revisiting some remarks for which people in Europe and also the UK have been investigated or arrested or jailed by their governments over the past few years. Similarly, a British woman was dragged out of her bath by 11 police officers after she referred in a private text message to a man who allegedly violently assaulted her as, quote, a faggot. And victims of violent crime aren't the only people who lack free speech rights in Europe. In Sweden, an activist called Rasmus Paladin was jailed after he burned a Koran and referred it to Islam as gay Islam. Finally, in Germany, a man faced a criminal investigation for referring to Green Party leader Ricardo Lang as, quote, fat. There are many more.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I could go on and I will say I appreciate her creative choices there.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yes.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Because usually you would go in order of least offensive to most offensive.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yes.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Fat. I'm quoting other people here as she was gay, Islam and then faggot. But she led with faggot, which I very much appreciate.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It was the pause. The delivery was perfect. Yeah, Faggot.

I like the way she did. She set the tone. It was, you know, the most extreme. You know, then even this, even this, you know, this they got in trouble for. But even fat, you can't say fat. And it's literally what you are.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

If you are not skinny, you are fat.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we can't say that because we had fat pride. But we also, by the way, have an obesity epidemic. And also all those prideful fat people. Well, they discovered Ozempic and they're not proud anymore. Well, they're proud now, but of being skinny.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah. So I don't. I don't really think these people understand what free speech really is.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

No, no, they don't at all. They don't. And this is why we talked about this. You know, Reporters Without Borders, the Press Freedom Index. They have us. Where do they have us? Right next to. They had Estonia, number two. They had us right next to Sierra Leone. That's right, Sierra Leone.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

We were just worse than Sierra Leone on free press. What?

So stupid.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Think of the era that we're living in where some people out there actually believe that we have less press freedom than the place that has. I mean, just record number of journalists being killed for covering. Killing.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

God, I hope there's a retarded leftist out There somewhere going, you know what? I gotta move to Sierra Leone.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yes, yes.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I gotta. You know, I can't say the things I want to say here.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

So I'm gonna go to Sierra Leone.

Well, and, you know, like, all the hate speech stuff that was being talked about, all the bannings, all the shadow bannings, all the demonetizations that was all going on under. Primarily, let's look at the Biden years. Under the Biden years, we're only two spots better. It doesn't matter what we do. There's no, there's no way they're going to ever. Like you said, it's just as far left as you can go.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And if we don't go as far left as they are, then we have no freedom. And it's like.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Well, that's.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's actually not the case. No, we just don't arrest our citizens from.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

For private text messages. Can't imagine that. Imagine you send a private text messages. Private text message, you're like, I think that guy might be a fag. And the next thing you know, you're being hauled out of the bath naked.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

By 11 police officers. Yeah, that happened in Great Britain.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And it's just no small insane, because the left goes, yeah, but they have free health care. They're more free. Yeah, but they have more vacation time.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I think Cuba was rated ahead of us. I think Cuba was like in the top hundred.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Here's a really important question, because I also see these people, these black pillars, who, you know, because they've kind of gotten in bed with populists, even like Bernie Sanders. I've even seen people talking about universal basic income and kind of using the talking points at the left. Let me ask you this genuine question. Would you trade or would you accept a scenario where if you say the wrong thing, you can be hauled out of the bathtub by 11 officers, for example, like fat via text. Like fag via text. Would you trade that for more government subsidized paternity and maternity leave? Would you make that trade? Yeah, would you make that. Would you trade being jailed, for example, like doing a cover of Kung Fu Fighting, because it's a violation of hate speech? Would you trade. All right, I'll take the jailing for offensive speech. If I get socialized health care, would you trade it? Would you trade your Second Amendment rights for free Internet, like Germany? Would you make that trade? These are questions that really help you define where you line up. And a lot of people act as though they are on the right and they're not because they would make that trade. And I know that we have technical difficulties with our guests. So do you want to let me know when you want to check?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, we'll do that. She's trying to call back in in just a minute. We're trying to figure out maybe you're in airplane mode, maybe check that setting just to make sure that we can get it. It was working fine just a little while ago. So sometimes this happens. Happens. I apologize for that. But as soon as we get her back on, we'll do that. But we can take some chat or. You know, I, I did want to make one quick point about the free speech thing that these countries are arguing. And we, we said this here in the United States a long time ago. And when Pam Bondi came out and, and made some comments about hate speech, we, we immediately jumped on those comments. Like, whoa, whoa, you have to understand what you're saying because there lies the path to not having free speech.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Right.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And that's what Europe has done. They're like, no, we have. What are you talking about? We have, have free speech here in Europe. That's what they were saying.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

No, they argue, they have more. They go, we have more freedom of speech because people aren't afraid of being offended. People aren't afraid of being marginalized. So really, when speech is limited, that actually means that speech is more free.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Right, Exactly.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

That's what they say. What?

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

They laughed at us. And they were like, yes, of course. Unless it's hate speech. And I'm like, yes, but who defines that? Nobody ever asked the follow up question, like, who defines that? Because that is a moving target. Anybody can take that and run with it. Even with the purest of motivations. It does not take long before everything is hate speech.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Right.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

And now you have no leg to stand on because you never had free speech to begin with.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, you might say you shouldn't say faggot. Fine, granted.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

But fat makes people say it more.

Yeah, fat was the one that's just like, that's insane to me. That is the craziest one. Because faggot, yes, it can be hurtful. People take it as a really bad, insulting, hurtful thing. And I get it.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Fat.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

You are it. What do you want me to say? Like, I've never offended. Somebody calls me. The only time I'm offended somebody calls me fat is if they're not funny about it. It. Right, you're fat. Yeah.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Was there an insult there or were you just describing, I also have brown hair. What are you gonna do with that?

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Is it brown or is it. I guess it's dark brown, kind of black.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's really dark brown.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

It's really. Yeah, yeah. All right, well, let's grab some chat while we're waiting for our guest here and for those of you, by the way, who are not Rumble Premium, but we're gonna try and get Sarah Rogers on the chat and we'll upload the clip if we get her going on on Rumble Premium. You can click that button right there. Join, because that's what keeps the lights on. The investigative journalism, the free show that you see every day and the 100% more show as well as, as the lineup and everything else that you get. It's 99 a year, hand etched mug. You join the club or you can try for $9 a month and we'll continue on Rumble Premium. Let's grab some chat.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Noodle.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Mr. Noodle famous.

[Producer/Tech Support]

All right, first. First chat from Dave.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

It's got to be his name now, right?

Yes.

[Producer/Tech Support]

First chat from wandering in Exodus. Question for the crew. How do I deal with the burnout of countering the media talking points to co workers and friends? I've proven points so many times and still they default to talking points. I, like live in Virginia.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

If these are people where you're revisiting these conversations, and I probably should do a better job of explaining this to you, there's rhetoric, there's debate, and there's trying to eliminate the continuation of a conversation. So the first time you speak with these people, use a Socratic method, try and get them to rationalize their position, try and walk through the reason process. Then if you find them continuing to use the same talking points, well, they don't have ears to hear. Just find the shortest, most direct path to shutting it down and move on dismissively. Like, just do that. That's what you do. There's. Well, why do you think that let's take any position like you go, oh, it's a second. So why do you think we should limit Second Amendment rights? What do you base that on? And they'll often, if they're willing to have this conversation, they'll find out it's based on nothing most of the time. But if it's someone with whom you've already had this conversation, you just go, yeah, well, you know, 15 to 25,000 homicides a year with firearms versus 2 to 3 million defensive uses. It's not even close. So, yeah, I'm done with it. And you may not like it, but, you know, private ships have the right to use cannons. You can go read the letter of mark and reprieve from. I believe it was Jefferson or Madison. You can find it. Yeah. If they say, oh, yeah, it's just from muskets. Except for the pepper box revolver. Except for the Gatling gun. Except. Except for the Girondoni air rifle. No, none of that stuff holds any water. You just don't like guns. That's fine. You just don't like guns. I support the second amendment. High five. Move on. That's what you do. Once you've had the conversation. It's an exercise.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Or you draw your pistol on them.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yes, you do. I'm just kidding.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Don't do that. That was all that was.

No, no, you meant like with a marker, like you draw it on their face.

Yes, draw.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Yeah, I meant a white pistol.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Get a whiteboard.

You know what?

Get a pistol, put a marker in the barrel and then go on the whiteboard.

Now I want to make sure too that people don't delude yourself either or delude, delude, delude, delude. Don't do that and say, well, I've made the case. When you really haven't made the case.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Right.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

When you really haven't done a good job of articulating the point. Because a lot of times we think, well, it's because you know it, you think you're communicating it and you're not. Make sure you're doing a great job of delivering that point. If it takes a conversation with somebody who agrees, hey, did I make that point really well? Because I'm hearing these arguments over and over and I want to do this effectively. That's the way you do it. Don't muddle through something and think, well, I gave them the information, they're just too dumb. Always assume you're the first part of the problem. Fix that, get it right. Make sure you do. And then exactly what you said.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

And I hate to do, I hate to be self promoting here, but that's actually why we created the three and three podcast. Three key facts in three minutes or less. There's Department of Education, there's a second amendment. There's a separate one on gun control, there's immigration. I think there's about 15 topics. And you can go wherever you, wherever you listen to podcasts, you can go and listen to them. Three minutes, three key facts. We make those references available so you can check them out in. Generally speaking, if you know those three cold, you can make the case. Yeah. And that's the end of it. That's why we designed that. And it takes three minutes on any given topic. Let's grab another chat before we go to rumble premium, Mr. Noodle Tamer.

[Producer/Tech Support]

All right, next chat from Caligali. Question for the crew. Should I still go to church if the only churches I can reach accept female ministry? I'm reluctant to support a church that ignores first Timothy 2.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Well, okay, so a couple things to be clear. Female ministry, like, there can be women's groups where there can be. Like there can be female senior, you know, elders, obviously in charge of women. But people don't necessarily. People don't like this. There is no situation in which a woman in the Christian church, in God's church, the one that we believe in, the Bible, is supposed to be an authority over man, just to be clear. And that's not even just about wives submitting to husbands. That's about women in church submitting to the authority of men who are called to lead the church. So that means even if you have a disagreement, it is the duty of a woman to communicate privately with a man so that he may advocate on her behalf. And that is to discourage a spirit of chaos and of gossip where the same thing happens with men. By the way, men are told, we're commanded to have designated leaders who will speak on behalf of us and to represent us. So that you kind of have a conclave. You have a huddle, and then one person determines the direction. Because that exists in any other structure of hierarchy in nature, whether it's the military, whether it's a company, whether it's a sports team. You have a coach, you have a captain. So I would say, first off, be really sure that those are the only churches you can reach. And second, I understand your grievance. And I would say, hey, you could probably find a church online at that point, that there are some churches now that exist online that then have groups in your area, look for something like that. But I don't think that you're wrong to have a crisis of conscience and to say it's inconsistent and to look for something different. I think that's actually well advised.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

Yeah, I 100% agree there should not be. And listen, I'm sorry if this offends people, but this is just biblical gospel. There shouldn't be female pastors.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

I'm sorry.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

That's just not how God set up his church. It's not like saying you're less than. We had different roles, different responsibilities were held to different account for different things. And so that's how God set it up. You have a problem with that taking place up with God, not me. I'm just communicating the message. Also, maybe it's an opportunity. If there are enough people that think like, hey, there's, there's no like actual like male led churches around me, maybe it's time to start one. And I'm not for starting a bunch of churches. I think there's too many churches in some cases because people split over every single possible thing and then move on. So I'm like, but maybe in this case there is, maybe there's an opportunity for you guys to do that in your area if you really truly can't find something that nailed it.

[Host (Tim Pool or similar conservative commentator)]

Well. And by the way, I know that we've run late, so I'm going to direct all of you right now. If you are not a member, hey, click join because I know that we'll have Sarah Rogers on a little bit. We'll upload the clip after, but we'll do it live on Rumble Premium and if not, you are going to continue watching Tim Pulio. He needs TP for his Tim Poolhole. Let's play Goodbye Penis to play us back into Rumble Premium and then we'll see if we can get our guest do it. Oh my word.

[Co-host or Guest Commentator]

I'm looking for it. Goodbye studio. Goodbye penis. Goodbye penis. Goodbye Penis. I'm getting rid of you. Peace.

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