NY Times Goes Full Simp for Deported Jamaican Kidnapper

Summary

Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder

Episode Title: NY Times Goes Full Simp for Deported Jamaican Kidnapper
Release Date: April 25, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of Louder with Crowder, hosts Tim Pool, Vince Bongino, Josh, and Gerald delve into a provocative New York Times (NYT) article that highlights the deportation of a Jamaican national convicted of kidnapping. The discussion is marked by sharp critiques of media portrayals of criminals seeking redemption and the broader implications for immigration policies.

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Critique of the NY Times Article

The centerpiece of the episode is the hosts' critical analysis of an NYT piece that seemingly attempts to humanize a Jamaican immigrant deported after serving a 15-year sentence for kidnapping. The hosts express skepticism and frustration over what they perceive as the media's tendency to "simp" for criminals by highlighting their rehabilitative efforts post-incarceration.

• Tim Pool (00:01): Introduces the topic, expressing disbelief at the NYT's portrayal. "This is an entire article from the New York Times bemoaning the deportation of a Jamaican migrant under Donald Trump's policies. And I'm still not convinced that it isn't satire." [00:01]

• Vince Bongino (10:16): Points out the flawed logic in the NYT's narrative. "If they're really, really looking to do a profile on the poor, innocent, hardworking, law-abiding migrant who accidentally gets deported and instead you end up with MS-13 gang member." [16:22]

• Josh (17:48): Highlights the disparity between the subject’s criminal background and the sympathetic portrayal. "He didn't rape anybody, but I mean, he's easily...a kidnapper. You can't be here. You’re never allowed to be here. You kidnap somebody, guns in your..." [17:48]

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Analysis of Police Practices: Montana Cop Bingo

The conversation shifts to discuss an incident in Bozeman, Montana, where police officers engaged in a "Cop Bingo" game during their shifts. The hosts criticize the practice as incentivizing unethical policing behaviors.

• Police Chief Jim Veltkamp (10:52): Explains the Bingo game used by officers to track their duties, highlighting its problematic nature. "Two teams of patrol officers were engaged in a bingo competition with success hinging on whether they completed actions listed on their cards." [10:52]

• Tim Pool (13:23): Mocks the trivial and inappropriate categories on the Bingo cards. "But what is a prize? It could be a box of donuts. It could be bragging rights." [12:00]

• Vince Bongino (13:38): Emphasizes the potential for abuse in such practices. "I can see how this would go a little bit awry if you want to win Bac." [13:38]

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Media Narratives and Rehabilitation

The hosts further dissect the NYT article, arguing that it downplays the criminal actions of the deported individual by focusing on his rehabilitation and positive developments post-incarceration.

• Tim Pool (22:38): Criticizes the NYT for not addressing the severity of the crimes committed. "They committed kidnapping, they held someone against their will, pistol-whipping him, and yet the article laments his deportation." [22:38]

• Vince Bongino (24:11): Questions the integrity of media narratives that favor redemption stories over accountability. "They write it like, hey, we have to look for who we should deport. Somebody who has no business being here. You did 15 years for kidnapping. You're gone." [24:11]

• Josh (31:06): Acknowledges the possibility of rehabilitation but maintains that serious crimes warrant deportation. "I think people can be rehabilitated. Sure. But kidnapped somebody? You can't be here. You’re never allowed to be here." [31:06]

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Discussion on Deportation Procedures and Outcomes

The hosts examine the deportation process and its impact on individuals with criminal backgrounds, arguing that the system lacks consistency and harshly penalizes those with serious offenses.

• Tim Pool (25:23): Highlights the inefficiencies and punitive nature of the deportation system. "If Mr. Blair pleaded guilty to kidnapping, it's absurd that his rehabilitative efforts are overshadowed by his crimes." [25:23]

• Vince Bongino (32:02): Criticizes the romanticized view of the deported individual's efforts to rebuild his life. "He bought an 18-foot box truck, intending to one day have a trucking fleet. But he gave it up for kidnapping and stuff." [32:02]

• Josh (43:37): Points out the lack of substantial evidence in the defense's portrayal. "They find a kid tied up in the apartment with guns and marijuana. How do they make it seem innocent?" [43:37]

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Conclusion and Takeaways

The discussion culminates in a reaffirmation of the hosts' stance that media outlets like the NYT overly sympathize with individuals convicted of serious crimes, thereby undermining public safety and effective immigration policies. They advocate for a more stringent approach to deporting those with violent backgrounds to protect societal interests.

• Tim Pool (56:47): Summarizes the necessity of deporting serious offenders. "We need to focus on deporting individuals who have no business being here and have a history of violent crimes." [56:47]

• Vince Bongino (59:55): Emphasizes accountability and the importance of recognizing criminal actions over rehabilitative narratives. "If someone kidnapped, you're never allowed to stay. It's that simple." [59:55]

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Notable Quotes

• Tim Pool: "This is an entire article from the New York Times bemoaning the deportation of a Jamaican migrant... I'm still not convinced that it isn't satire." [00:01]

• Vince Bongino: "They write it like, hey, we have to look for who we should deport. Somebody who has no business being here. You did 15 years for kidnapping. You're gone." [24:11]

• Josh: "I think people can be rehabilitated. Sure. But kidnapped somebody? You can't be here. You’re never allowed to be here." [31:06]

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Louder with Crowder offers a critical perspective on media portrayals of criminals within the immigration system, questioning the balance between rehabilitation and accountability. The hosts argue for a firmer stance on deporting individuals with violent pasts to ensure public safety and uphold the integrity of immigration policies.

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Note: This summary is based on the provided transcript and aims to encapsulate the primary discussions without endorsing or reflecting the views expressed by the participants.

Transcript

[Tim Pool]

Welcome to the Rumble Live lineup. We are glad to have you here. Of course you can continue watching the entire day. It's Friday, which means it's a bit of a grab bag today. And you know, once upon a time, Friday was only for Mud Club members, which is now Rumble Premium. Rumble Premium is Mud Club. Going forward. After this Friday, we're going to continue in that vein because that's for our most ardent fans. Is that the term? I don't know. I don't know if you know this, but I had an IV here this morning. Not because of a night out in the town, but because of loose stool food poisoning. So I'm here though today. Bring it up, tool man. Thank you Vince for raiding over to us. We appreciate Vince Bongino, Army. I know he's doing the Lord's work over there at the FBI. We're gonna play Montana Cop Bingo because it's horribly offensive and it's an episode of Media Malpractice because the New York Times. Look, just give me a minute here. I'm gonna spend time. This is an entire article from the New York Times bemoaning the deportation of a Jamaican migrant under Donald Trump's policies. And I'm still not convinced that it isn't satire. This is a real thing. Also, some conservative sites out there are saying that Greg Abbott is helping illegal immigrants. It couldn't be further from the truth. So media Malpractice, It's a grab bag Friday. Let's go to the show.

[Vince Bongino]

Tonight on no Cops. This bill of comprehensive police reform to be.

[Tim Pool]

Just got to be careful here with some gunshots.

[Gerald]

Excuse us.

[Josh]

Excuse us.

[Tim Pool]

It sounds like gunshots. I'll let you know what this is. These seem to be gunshots. Stay tuned for more no Cops. Click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or 9.99amonth to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of content creators and free speech. Oh wait, I forgot to sip. What?

[Vince Bongino]

Just sip it.

[Unknown]

Oh no.

[Vince Bongino]

Oh no, no. Nobody heard it.

[Tim Pool]

It's good. I don't care. They don't need to hear. It's Pedialyte. It doesn't have the same. Doesn't have the same timber one. It's not as fun when your bowels are so loose.

[Josh]

You must sip it.

[Tim Pool]

Sitting on that one. That is none of it good.

[Josh]

Austin Powers. I stole it.

[Tim Pool]

This is Tim Poole. Just so you know he does a two hour show on Friday as a culture war show. Does it the full from from 11:00 Eastern and going Forward on Friday. Of course, this will be for those of you who are Rumble Premium members, where it's mostly just a chat and grab bag of what we missed with you, the members. But the last few weeks of the lineup, we wanted to show everyone what we do every, every week. And the room is sp. The room is still. It's moving. It's like we're on a pirate ship.

[Unknown]

Oh, no.

[Tim Pool]

We have a lot to get to.

[Unknown]

You got your bucket?

[Tim Pool]

I, I, I'm fine.

[Vince Bongino]

But, yes, we do have to swap.

[Tim Pool]

Our decks, but of course, we still are live weekdays, 11aM Eastern. Download the Rumble App. Follow us right there on the Rumble App. That's the best way to stay in touch. You don't have to worry about an algorithm. You don't have to worry about YouTube telling you. Did you mean PBS Lesbian Funk Duo? What? No, that's not what I searched. I'll click it, though. I have a few seconds, so color me curious.

[Vince Bongino]

Yes, you got me. You got me.

[Tim Pool]

Captain Morgan, CEO number two. How are you?

[Vince Bongino]

Fantastic. Stool is fine.

[Tim Pool]

Good for you.

[Vince Bongino]

I'm just saying.

[Tim Pool]

Good for you.

[Vince Bongino]

Life changes when you have that. You're like, that's really what everything becomes about.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, it is.

[Vince Bongino]

It's just modifiable.

[Tim Pool]

I just look at the stairs, I'm like, oh, remember when these weren't hard? I was driving. I had people honking at me for going too slowly.

[Vince Bongino]

It takes everything out of you, literally.

[Tim Pool]

And you know him, you love him. Friday, Saturday, June 20th, and 21st, at the Helium Comedy Club in Indy, Indianapolis. That's what we call it, the people who know it, not Firestine on X. How are you, sir? Josh?

[Josh]

I'm good. I'm good. Sorry about that goulash I gave you, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it's okay.

[Josh]

That's my grandma's recipe. It's supposed to be a colon cleanser. I forgot to tell you that I.

[Tim Pool]

Thought about the half a cup of listeria. That doesn't seem like it should be right.

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah, it's the chef's kiss.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly.

[Josh]

Well, next week, I'll treat you for hysteria.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, if you have more of those, you must zip it then. You know, get me in the hysteria icu. They'll hook me up to an iv. Hey, speaking of hilarious, the Chinese here is a video that is. It's just. It's a perfect sort of crystallization of what has happened. You know, men occupy the extreme ends of the bell curve, so, yeah, it's true that women have, on average, higher iq. The average woman Compared to the average. But at a certain point they're only male geniuses at the one end of the spectrum. But we also occupy all the prisons. Same thing with self destruct. It's true. Same thing with self destructive behavior. Pretty much all of the serial violent offenders. It's 90 something percent, 90 something percent geniuses. But women cluster at the higher side of the bell curve. The same thing applies with self destructive behaviors. As far as alcoholism, as far as, of course, you know, suicide. And a big part of that is because of the modern world frustration and women. Because here's a Chinese man talking with a woman. We don't know exactly what is said, but at a certain point he determines this is his best option. Oh, there you go.

[Josh]

Oh, oh, it's the first floor. Yeah, The Prestige.

[Tim Pool]

There's a door right there.

[Josh]

Right there.

[Tim Pool]

So he was clearly no time. No, he was sending a message. But if he really wanted to send a message, he would have done this. Just. You go out window.

[Gerald]

This is.

[Tim Pool]

He did that. I'm just letting you know he did. He did that because it's societally frowned upon for him to hit her. You know, someone's going, I can't handle. I can't handle.

[Josh]

I can't hit.

[Tim Pool]

I throw myself out window. And he just jumped. He wanted to throw her out that window. You have no doubt.

[Vince Bongino]

I don't. He first, like he hit himself and I'm like, ooh. He's like, I'm gonna need a running start.

[Josh]

It was like a bird. It was kind of funny the first time.

[Tim Pool]

He didn't even have. He didn't skip a beat. Like he was determined.

[Vince Bongino]

This was like this happening, you know.

[Tim Pool]

It'S like the equivalent like they're like attempted suicides.

[Vince Bongino]

Right?

[Tim Pool]

You know, where someone like takes a bunch of pills and I don't know, a little bit of chardonnay and like makes the call. Like, I don't know. I don't feel well.

[Gerald]

I hope I don't die.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. It's a cry for help, Right? Right. This was not a guy who was attempting to jump out a window. This was a man who was going to get out that window.

[Josh]

Do you think he thought he was on like the seventh floor?

[Tim Pool]

I think he had a memory.

[Josh]

This is done.

[Tim Pool]

Either he forgot and he was trying to kill himself, or he just had to get away from her nagging so fast, it's like his hand on a hot stove. Let's watch it again. Look, as soon as he bounces off, he's right back at it. Like this Guy cannot be near her.

[Vince Bongino]

Watch.

[Tim Pool]

He's like, no, don't touch.

[Gerald]

Don't touch. Don't touch.

[Tim Pool]

I jump. No.

[Josh]

He even dropped his bag. He's like, I don't need a computer.

[Vince Bongino]

And lost his shoe.

[Tim Pool]

Watch. And then he runs off.

[Josh]

He runs off barefoot on the glass.

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah, there's his shoes.

[Josh]

Can't do it. I don't know.

[Unknown]

Don't even need my shoe. Don't need my bag. I'm out of here.

[Tim Pool]

And the fact that she tries to stop him, like, some people are speculating, like, oh, it sounds like maybe she confronted him about, you'd think, like, cheating or something. He's like, oh, no, I'm cut. No, no. The fact that she tries to stop him means that she doesn't want this guy to get hurt. He just can't stand another second.

[Vince Bongino]

That's true.

[Josh]

We don't know. Maybe there's a history of domestic violence there. Maybe she's been beating him for weeks.

[Tim Pool]

I took my chances with paying glass.

[Josh]

Exactly. You let my parents move.

[Vince Bongino]

He literally ran further back to get a running start than going to the door. I don't understand that whole point.

[Tim Pool]

At that point, you just have tunnel vision, man. There's more.

[Josh]

Maybe her sister was blocking the other door if she was standing in the hallway, like.

[Tim Pool]

Or maybe she challenges masculinity. Ria's like, you talk one more time like that, I jump out window. You won't do it. I bet you won't, pussy. He's like, you don't think I will? I jump. And she's like, no, no, no. I was making joke.

[Josh]

Watch me.

[Tim Pool]

I don't know. The point is, like.

[Josh]

Then he tried the first time. He's like, see? I told you.

[Tim Pool]

See, I.

[Vince Bongino]

You're not real, man.

[Josh]

Soft head, like baby, by the way, why? You know, give me baby.

[Vince Bongino]

And he's like, that's it.

[Gerald]

I'm done.

[Tim Pool]

Crap, we're on the 1st. I just wish there was audio. I know.

[Vince Bongino]

Maybe we could make that happen.

[Tim Pool]

Take that.

[Josh]

Sound like a game of baccarat or something.

[Tim Pool]

No, just take that and, you know, a liquor bottle. That's just what most guys do. All right, I'll just end it this way. All right, so here's another story. That's a lot of fun. We're gonna spend some time with this New York Times article about, he deserves to be deported a little bit. And they don't understand it. Let me ask you this question. Do you think if someone who has no business being here, who was in prison for 15 years, for violent crimes and drug dealing. You think they're kind of an easy. An easy check mark deport? Well, New York Times doesn't think so.

[Josh]

Yeah, it's like a second round draft pick.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I mean, not first round. He didn't rape anybody, but I mean, he's easily.

[Tim Pool]

He didn't get caught, put it that way.

[Josh]

They could stab their daughter, they'd still run that store.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, they still would run the store. At the New York Times, they. Boy, they can't stand you. The average American citizen, but before that, Bozeman, Montana. Quite a contrast from New York City. I don't know if you notice there's some cops there they're in trouble for. You know, people say, oh, bingo card. We do this sometimes, like debate nights. Yeah, well, these cops in Bozeman, Montana, they had a cop job related bingo card for their shifts on duty. And you can see why maybe it didn't go over so well.

[Police Chief Jim Veltkamp]

Police Chief Jim Veltkamp. Two teams of patrol officers were engaged in a bingo competition with success hinging on whether they completed actions listed on their cards. The officers made cards including multiple categories ranging from fit tests between the two sides to putting out a fire before firefighters arrived, to the types of arrests or calls the officers handled. For the police chief, the most concerning squares were ones that could possibly impact how a case or investigation was handled.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Vince Bongino]

One of those was to do a search warrant on a car, which in and of itself, that is part of their duties. The concern is if then they manipulated anything in order to be able to search a car.

[Tim Pool]

Of course.

[Josh]

Why is he smiling?

[Police Chief Jim Veltkamp]

The chief says the game went on for 12 days until the command staff was made aware and shut it down.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I wouldn't so much say that that's a concern as much as a guarantee. They created these categories. Yes, and they win by fulfilling them.

[Vince Bongino]

Let me tell you why they win. Let's just be honest. Like, what is a prize?

[Josh]

Box of donuts?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it could be a box of donuts. It could be bragging rights. Let me give you some of these categories to punch your bingo card. One was a three vehicle accident, okay?

[Vince Bongino]

You can't control that.

[Tim Pool]

Well, yeah, you can, unless you're involved. Just go down and just wave them up.

[Josh]

Yeah, the traffic trailer. How'd my spike strips get there?

[Tim Pool]

Fine, fine.

[Vince Bongino]

Okay.

[Tim Pool]

Maybe you can arrest three people out of one car. All right, Just go to Malcolm X, the intersection boulevard of mlk. I'm sure they have.

[Josh]

I don't know.

[Vince Bongino]

Everybody has one. Josh. Come on.

[Tim Pool]

Then if there's an over 0.3 blood alcohol unit. DUI. You thirsty?

[Josh]

Have a drink.

[Tim Pool]

Then one is if butt ass naked. Which I assume means if some of the people you arrest are butt ass naked.

[Josh]

It's not clear. It's not clear. I think maybe you could count it if you get butt ass naked. I made an arrest. Butt ass naked. You got it wrong.

[Tim Pool]

License and registration, sir. What? And then, of course, finally, this is one where the golden goose if an officer was hit on by the arrestee. So if they got this butt ass naked. If they were hit on by the arrestee and there was a winner. But the category, actually, the winner immediately raised suspicions when they found out that said winner was Officer McButface. And that was not. I don't get hit on.

[Josh]

Doesn't even have a mustache. He's somebody's type.

[Vince Bongino]

Yes. No, he's not.

[Tim Pool]

This is just like. This is what gives greens. Like defund the police. I'm like, no, no, no, you need some cops. Like, really do. We need the cops who have a bingo card that involves effectively an encouragement to sexual harass. All right, maybe you shouldn' cops out there.

[Vince Bongino]

No, I mean, like, honestly, I saw this and I was like, I don't know that I care a whole lot. And then I started reading some of these. I'm like, huh. I can see how this would go a little bit awry if you want to win bac.

[Josh]

Okay. All right, pull over. Okay.

[Vince Bongino]

Get hit on.

[Josh]

Oh, shoot. Unarmed black man.

[Tim Pool]

Plants drugs.

[Vince Bongino]

Kneel on someone. I don't think that's a good idea. Whoa. I said it wasn't.

[Josh]

They were mostly. They were mostly fun.

[Tim Pool]

I think Gerald needs an admonish.

[Vince Bongino]

No, I don't think he does right away. Don't do it. Don't just.

[Tim Pool]

All right.

[Josh]

I think it's mostly good. Who's a snitch?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, who's a snitch? Well, that was one of the bingo cards, was snitch. Okay, so. Which seems like it was a self defeating, like, why would you put that in there? So this, this brings us to the next. We're all looking forward to this. You know, people mess up. People get things wrong all the time, yours truly included, and certainly Gerald. And the media messes up. Okay. Sometimes it's just you make a mistake. Sometimes there's new information, sometimes the information, it changes and you have to adapt. Sometimes it's not only malicious, but it's so tone deaf that you're basically putting your ear to the ground to hear the piano, even though you're riddled with syphilis. It's time for media malpractice and we have a couple to get to. All references, we make them publicly available. I highly recommend you go and read this. There might be a paywall if you don't have a membership. We have to pay for all these memberships. And I feel guilty to New York Times and Washington Post and Wall Street Journal, Forbes, blah, blah, blah. But it does this for us. Yeah, we didn't know what to pull. This is all one article. It's the whole thing at the New York Times.

[Josh]

This is a book, dude. There's chapters.

[Tim Pool]

There's literally chapters. And here's the thing. Is it funny? Sure. But it also shows you, when people talk about the country club, sort of Democrats, the parties have changed a little bit. Now what they're talking about is this. The person writing this does not care about you. The person writing this doesn't believe that anyone, including serial criminals who have no business being here, should be deported. So if you just sort of follow that down the end of its logical trail, it's, oh, okay, you need to pay for these people. As we have seen in New York City, as we have seen with hotels, as we have seen with SNAP benefits, EBT cards. Right. If they don't believe that this guy should be deported and this is an entire write up, like, think about this. Abrego. Abrego Garcia. Do I have that right?

[Vince Bongino]

I believe so, yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Like that's the example they found, right. As a guy who clearly was an.

[Vince Bongino]

Ms. 13 gang member, MD man, MD man, MD man. Make sure you get it correct.

[Tim Pool]

Just like, doesn't this tell you something? If they're really, really looking to do a profile on the poor, innocent, hard working, law abiding migrant who accidentally gets deported and instead you end up with Ms. 13 gang member. And this. So the headline is 21 years later, deported back to a home he barely knew.

[Vince Bongino]

All right, can we talk about this being the island of Jamaica too, just a little? Yes, yes, I know there's some slummy parts of it. A lot of the island, Jamaica, also.

[Josh]

A home that still existed. He has a place to live.

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah, he does.

[Josh]

With relatives that he definitely knows. Sent things back too.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Josh]

Like what? You barely knew. You knew the address you were sending back.

[Tim Pool]

For years. You sent back an autograph. Best of Bob Marley. Which, by the way, there's only like one song. Can we stop? Come on with the stupid tattoos. 1. You describe this during Run Run. You're like, this is the exact kind of Person who would want.

[Josh]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. It was like four years ago or. No, not one year ago. We're in the campaign. Both sides come together and go, who the. Who's the people that need to be deported? Okay, not the average person. All right? Not the dreamers. Not the anchor babies. No, no, no. It's the guy who's guilty of kidnapping. Yeah, probably that guy.

[Gerald]

They make the case armed.

[Tim Pool]

They make the case for why you should be deported while lamenting illegal weapons possession. Like this article might as well be. This article might as well be called fodder for those advocating deportation. Like validation for Trump's policy kidnapping somebody.

[Josh]

It should be called kidnapped. Person gets kidnapped.

[Unknown]

Kidnapper goes, oh, kidnapper.

[Tim Pool]

I got it.

[Josh]

I'm just. I'm baffled. I can't even speak today. I deserve it.

[Tim Pool]

In monitor under Trump administration, message is clear. Kidnappers not welcome.

[Josh]

What a douche.

[Tim Pool]

And they'll still try and make it a race thing if you're like, oh, I don't want kidnappers. Because he's black. No. Because he napped kids. No, it's the napping that I have a problem with. So let me read you some of this.

[Gerald]

Nascimento.

[Tim Pool]

Blair returned home in shackles.

[Josh]

Good. Shackles. Or zip ties, Screws.

[Tim Pool]

Is it Marley?

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Over the next three nights, you'll be deported.

[Tim Pool]

You'll be visited by three Rastafarians when the bell tolls 11:30am if they sleep in or on.

[Josh]

Whenever we wake up on.

[Tim Pool]

He landed in Jamaica in February, 21 years after he abandoned the island, seated next to dozens of his countrymen who were also handcuffed. Here's. They don't specify. Were they also kidnappers?

[Unknown]

Yeah, like hand being handcuffed.

[Josh]

This is not an op ed on them, so obviously they have done worse.

[Vince Bongino]

They have.

[Tim Pool]

Still dazed, he looked out of place. He had on the same winter clothes, a peacoat, a turtleneck, gray suit, and Chelsea boots. How I often picture my Jamaicans.

[Josh]

Ah, he had style. Why did we deport him?

[Tim Pool]

He had been wearing when US Immigration authorities had abruptly detained him on a frigid morning in New York City weeks earlier.

[Josh]

It was frigid. Steven feel bad for him.

[Tim Pool]

I should feel.

[Josh]

He had icicles on his testicles.

[Tim Pool]

I should feel bad for him.

[Vince Bongino]

Did he say 21? He was there for 21 years.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josh]

He was in the U.S. for 21 years.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Vince Bongino]

Oh, he's in the U.S. for a total of 21. Okay.

[Gerald]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Vince Bongino]

And he's 44.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Vince Bongino]

I'm just doing Some math here, because it's not like this guy was five when he left.

[Josh]

No, he spent. He spent the majority of his life.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, okay.

[Josh]

In the home he barely knew.

[Tim Pool]

So here's the thing. They're setting this all up, right? I'm not gonna. Maybe I should just read all of it. You guys let me know if you want me to read all of it. But I'll go to the second page here where I just want. You just please have your short drink, your coffee if you need to have your short term memory working so you can remember the first two phrases. Once I speak, immediately the very next phrase in the article. Okay. I don't know how important. All right. They don't look at you like a Jamaican, Mr. Blair said. They look at you like a criminal.

[Vince Bongino]

That's Sad.

[Tim Pool]

Next phrase. Mr. Blair did not give them details about his past. An odyssey that began with a side hustle dealing marijuana in the New York suburbs at the 24 year old Jamaican transplant, which led to a kidnapping conviction he disputed and a 15 year prison sentence he fulfills.

[Josh]

You know who he disputed it with? The guy who got kidnapped.

[Tim Pool]

They look at. They look at you like a criminal. Are you one?

[Vince Bongino]

Hold on.

[Tim Pool]

By the way.

[Josh]

They don't say.

[Tim Pool]

They don't say. They don't say wrongfully. No, they say he disputed. Every criminal does.

[Josh]

What are you talking about?

[Tim Pool]

They're like, hey, hey, we think you kidnapped this person.

[Gerald]

No.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, we.

[Gerald]

Well, we have proof.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, 15 years.

[Josh]

No, I was just holding him on, by the way.

[Tim Pool]

Do the math. Fifteen years, he's a kidnapper. Of course they look at you as a criminal. You're like amongst the worse.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Everybody in prison is innocent.

[Vince Bongino]

Yes, that's true. I also saw Shawshank got it, by the way. Do the math. It was one of the first things he did here.

[Gerald]

Yes.

[Vince Bongino]

Was kidnap.

[Tim Pool]

It was like, first thing is, oh.

[Gerald]

America, the land of kidnapping, opportunity.

[Josh]

Since when can you not do that here?

[Vince Bongino]

That's crazy, man.

[Unknown]

There's three people to kidnap here.

[Josh]

There's three people that are involved in this case.

[Tim Pool]

I know, I know. And by the way, just again, you think, look at all of this. This is all making the case that the man who came here immediately kidnapped did 15 years hard time, should not be deported. That's from the New York Times. Okay.

[Vince Bongino]

To Jamaica.

[Tim Pool]

It was his criminal past that had gotten him deported from the United States. You fucking think.

[Unknown]

Wait, did he write this article?

[Tim Pool]

Is anything else relevant? Is that it's like, well, yeah, look, we all agreed we're gonna Start deporting the violent criminals, you know, certainly. Pedophiles, kidnappers. Jeez. Okay, hold on. Where he had been rebuilding his life and seeking redemption. Larger, with more kidnappings. He had earned two college degrees, started a trucking business, mentored people released from prison, cared for fiance with breast cancer, taking classes at Columbia University. All right, none of it.

[Josh]

They brought up his fiance's breast cancer because, again, heartstrings. I'm gonna point out every time they try to tug your heartstrings. Yeah, point it out.

[Tim Pool]

On paper, Mr. Blair fit the profile of the people Mr. Trump says he wants to deport.

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah. Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Those with criminal backgrounds. They write it. I'm not saying it.

[Josh]

Yep.

[Tim Pool]

Yes. Correct.

[Josh]

We all agree.

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Vince Bongino]

On the same page.

[Josh]

Oh, good.

[Unknown]

So this is a good thing, this whole thing.

[Tim Pool]

Might as well read the defense. It's like, to be fair, he didn't kidnap anyone during the 15 years he was in prison.

[Vince Bongino]

I don't think you get credit for that. I don't think it's how it works.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, my God. Okay, okay. All right. Here you go. But to Mr. Blair and his supporters, his life story was one of rehabilitation. Nuanced and filled with qualities that they believe Mr. Trump's deportation machine disregards as it flies out immigrants en masse.

[Vince Bongino]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Well, I don't think it's. I don't think it's disregarding his story so much as acknowledging it. Like, hey, we have to look for who we should deport. Somebody who has no business being here. You did 15 years for kidnapping. Yeah. You're gone.

[Josh]

But he made paper maches in prison.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, exactly.

[Vince Bongino]

Other people not to do it.

[Josh]

He had a pen pal.

[Tim Pool]

His removal from the United States and dizzying journey back to the Caribbean raises a fundamental question Americans are grappling with as they consider the president's immigration crackdown. Who deserves to stay? Okay, I can't answer that entirely, but I can say not kidnappers.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Pretty easy, you know, like.

[Josh]

Yeah. Without exception.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. In fact, pretty much. Pretty much. As a matter of fact.

[Josh]

Alleged kidnappers.

[Tim Pool]

You maybe have a case, I would even say, like natural born kidnappers. You'd have a case to deport them somewhere.

[Unknown]

But it was good for five years before the kidnapping.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Blair was home. Except Jamaica did not feel like home. Not enough people to kidnap there, are there?

[Vince Bongino]

They know you as the kidnapper and run away.

[Tim Pool]

Here's the next chapter. A cross, cryptic call from ice.

[Vince Bongino]

What.

[Josh]

This is. In this chapter, they lay out how. They lay out how he was deceived. By ICE when they called him and said, hey, please come here. I got tricked.

[Tim Pool]

I got tricked.

[Gerald]

They called me and they asked me to go to ice and I did. And they did. What ICE do?

[Vince Bongino]

I thought I could kidnap.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think it's all that cryptic. Like, the call from ICE should be like, hey, yeah, Mr. Blair, we're gonna be deporting you on account of all that kidnapping.

[Vince Bongino]

Wanna come down and see us?

[Tim Pool]

Yes.

[Vince Bongino]

You tricked me. Hey, so on account of. Okay, so he's a kidnapper and he's also an idiot. Yeah, we really have to get rid of this guy.

[Josh]

He's also here illegally. We're forgetting that, like, all this is enough to be like, oh, yeah, he was never allowed to be here.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, you shouldn't be here if you're here illegally. If you're here illegally and you like a parking violation, that's enough for me. Yes. Right. A judge ordered cryptic call from ICE. Okay, next chapter. A judge ordered Mr. Blair to be deported after he was convicted of kidnapping in 2006. Accused of abducting an acquaintance who had stolen weed from his apartment.

[Josh]

I get it, Steven. You can't tell the cops.

[Tim Pool]

Hey, I also feel like if they wanted to paint him in a more positive light, like the New York Times could have, they could have chosen a litany of different phrases. But instead, it's like abducting an acquaintance who had stolen weed. Abducting an acquaintance who allegedly had violated his, you know, business, personal property inventory. But, like, yeah, he stole his reefer, so he kidnapped him.

[Josh]

Another pull in the heartstrings. They couldn't technically say friend, Right. They say acquaintance because the guy lived in the same building.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And he smelled the weed and he's.

[Vince Bongino]

Like, I know where the weed is.

[Josh]

They saw each other from time to time outside. They knew each other.

[Tim Pool]

The deportation order loomed over Mr. Blair as he rebuilt his life after prison. Mr. Blair, who lived in Yonkers, New York and worked in Harlem, had to check in at the ICE office in downtown Manhattan seven times over five years.

[Josh]

The audacity. That's more than probation or less. Sorry, that's less than probation. Doesn't that mean that six times under Biden, they looked at him, went, yeah, you're fine. Yes, absolutely.

[Tim Pool]

By the way, it's about if he's in Yonkers or if he's going from Harlem. It's about like a 25 minute train ride.

[Josh]

Yeah. How awful.

[Tim Pool]

About approximately once a year, you gotta take a 20 something minute train ride.

[Vince Bongino]

Oppressive.

[Tim Pool]

Like, the fact is what can we expect immigrants here, let alone. Let's just assume this guy was legal. What could we expect immigrants to contribute at a certain point? Like, you know, we're not even at the point of talking about taxes. Assimilating into your community, giving back. Like, you take a 20 minute train ride every year. In two years, you might have to do it twice. That's a. Can we ask that with an appointment.

[Josh]

That you can plan around? I mean, that's less than a dentist.

[Tim Pool]

It really is.

[Vince Bongino]

Opportunities for kidnapping along the way. Who knows?

[Tim Pool]

Okay, hold on a second. Let me see. There's this just. It just gets. It just gets. It's just. Okay.

[Josh]

Mr. Blair regularly shipped barrels filled with cooking supplies, textiles, and other goods from his home in Yonkers, New York, to his family in Jamaica. Now, back in his homeland, he's benefiting from the contents.

[Tim Pool]

How much you want to bet that they weren't just cooking supplies? And those barrels that he was shipping back, how much you want to bet this is the guy? Oh, hold on a second. This is the guy who was kidnapping. This is the guy who was selling so much weed that a friend in his apartment. Apartment building knew how much weed was being sold. And he did 15 years for kidnapping said snitch. And I don't know about you, but even like when I ship Christmas gifts, like, to families, they're often not barrels.

[Josh]

They. They tell you how much weed was in his apartment?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Later. Very much later in the article.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Josh]

So that you give up before then.

[Tim Pool]

Okay.

[Josh]

Do you know it's at least three pounds. Whoa. It's either. It's either he had three pounds or three pounds was stolen out of the stash.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, well, that's why you got to do some kidnapp.

[Josh]

Weed is a very light drug.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, £3 is a lot. £3 is a lot. Mr. Blair, who goes by Blair, dressed up as he typically did and headed to the ICE office. Unlike many immigrants who wade through the country's convoluted immigration system without legal or financial support, he was not alone. Well, that's nice.

[Josh]

He dressed up Steven.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josh]

He's a good man.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. He brought some of his kidnapping victims along with him.

[Josh]

Put on his Chelsea boots.

[Tim Pool]

Nearly 50 friends, supporters and New Yorkers, an unlikely contingent of community organizers, college professors and faith leaders showed up outside in solidarity bearing posters.

[Josh]

I'm sorry? An unlikely contingent of community. Community organizers, college professors, and faith leaders. You mean all the usual suspects?

[Tim Pool]

Most likely.

[Josh]

You mean no friends, People who do.

[Tim Pool]

This for a living, right? Yeah, exactly.

[Josh]

That's like If I was getting deported and the crew from Panda Express showed.

[Vince Bongino]

What will we do with all the Beijing beef? I hope the posters said bye.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. It says they had banded together to try to stop his deportation through a flurry of last minute letters to ICE casting him in a sympathetic light. A rehabilitated man who had repaid his debt to society. So I guess ICE didn't take it. But then you wrote a puff piece on it. New York Times.

[Josh]

You know what? I'll say this. I think people can be rehabilitated. Sure. I think the guy made a mistake. And I have no doubt that he's probably a good. A good dude overall. But kidnapped somebody? You can't be here. You're never allowed to be here. You kidnap somebody, guns in your.

[Tim Pool]

He should have never done 15 years in prison. He should have been. Oh, wait. You kidnapped somebody. Okay, we're sending you back to Jamaica. Well, because we're not going to pay to house a kidnapper who shouldn't be here.

[Josh]

You know, I mean, it's like, feel the rhythm, feel the rhyme. Do a crime, do the time.

[Tim Pool]

That's right.

[Josh]

Whatever.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. I think they would understand that better than this New York Times piece. Think this guy is any good at bobsledding? I don't.

[Vince Bongino]

I don't think he really caught on, no.

[Josh]

Well, it doesn't matter now. He's got a criminal record. They won't let that Olympics.

[Tim Pool]

You don't think anyone was inspired by that very long movie in which they lost?

[Vince Bongino]

Well, they picked.

[Josh]

Hey, it's really cool, dude. I like that movie. Don't you do this to me.

[Tim Pool]

They've been trading the whole time and they immediately crash their bobsled, so they have to carry it.

[Vince Bongino]

That's true.

[Josh]

Lucky wasn't very lucky.

[Tim Pool]

No, it was not. I was like, he entered. Mr. Blair entered the ICE office on February 3rd with his lawyer, Bernard Harcourt, a Columbia law professor. Oh, okay.

[Vince Bongino]

Of course, he took some classes at Columbia.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Vince Bongino]

So maybe that was a friend.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Okay. From New York to Louisiana, this is another chapter.

[Vince Bongino]

By the way, how many chapters are there?

[Tim Pool]

There's so many chapters. Like this whole thing could just be, hey, our immigration system is broken. People are coming here and immediately committing crime, ending up in prison and then back on the streets. That's what they should write. But instead, since they have to wade through the bull crap and like you said, tug on your heartstrings, it's just a bunch of irrelevant information. The guy came here illegally and he immediately committed a serious crime that violates An American's fundamental human rights gone.

[Josh]

Well, I. Yeah, they're pulling at the heartstrings. They go the way they tricked Mr. Blair and to come in to get arrested. If they tricked him, why did he get dressed up and bring 50 protesters?

[Tim Pool]

Right. Yeah.

[Vince Bongino]

Very much not true on a cryptic call.

[Josh]

And also, you said the next chapter is called From New York to Louisiana. This is our subject's Huck Finn story.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, it is.

[Josh]

It's fantastic.

[Vince Bongino]

Can we get in touch with this author so that Stephen can do an interview?

[Tim Pool]

Oh, I would love to, Josh. Do you want to take some? You want to read some? Yes.

[Josh]

This is fun. It was close to midnight. Oh, no. When Mr. Blair was transferred to a jail a short drive north in Orange County, New York, where ICE holds. Many people rounded up in New York.

[Tim Pool]

Oh.

[Josh]

ICE officers paraded Mr. Blair and other detainees before loading them into vans, posing for photos with immigrants. Like trophies. Trophies, Blair said.

[Tim Pool]

Like. Like its roots.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Come on, now.

[Tim Pool]

Come on, everyone get a good look at my illegal immigrant.

[Josh]

It says the. What? He says, one of the officers says, this is the new administration. You weren't a priority then. You are a priority now. Got a problem with that?

[Tim Pool]

That's good, Mr. Blair.

[Josh]

It's weird that the cops are just kind of, like, jabbing them, but, you know, whatever.

[Tim Pool]

I don't think that ever upset.

[Josh]

They weren't allowed to do their job before, they're now allowed to do it. Then they go on to say, Mr. Blair is handed a yellow jumpsuit. That's a. Oh. Oh, no. He had Chelsea boots. Now he's got a jumpsuit.

[Vince Bongino]

Look at this.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on. I want to highlight this. Mr. Blair was handed a yellow jumpsuit at the Orange County Jail, his first time behind bars since leaving prison, where.

[Josh]

He was his year. A new reality. He wants new.

[Tim Pool]

I feel like they wrote this entire article for someone else. Couldn't find them, and just said, we can just, like, add one, you know, one phrase, and it'll fix it. Like, this was his first time behind bars. Just add. Since he'd last been to prison right after that.

[Josh]

Says the staff were respectful and he was allowed visitors. That's nice. He was there for 17 days. And then on February 21, his birthday.

[Gerald]

Oh, no.

[Josh]

Like, they did it maliciously. Like they waited to transfer all these prisoners. Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Like some boy comes until his birthday.

[Gerald]

Some guy comes in, some.

[Tim Pool]

Some warning. He's like, ah, tatia gooli. That's Italian for a hit. Somebody's birthday.

[Josh]

Never gonna guess what present we got you.

[Tim Pool]

We got you A nice surprise. Oh, no soap. Shave em dry.

[Josh]

Make a wish, boy. Too bad. Jesus. I just want to go home. Yeah, we will send you. So on his birthday he was transferred with little explanation to a jail in Nassau County. The next day he's awakened about 3:00am Another heartstrings like, oh, you can't wake up at 3:00am they got to be somewhere. So he was taken to New York Liberty International Airport there and he other detainees were put on a plane and his charter company, yada yada. The detainees wore egg and they wore.

[Tim Pool]

Arm and leg restraints that left Mr. Blair's wrists swollen, as cuffs do.

[Vince Bongino]

Oh my.

[Josh]

So this is. This is funny.

[Tim Pool]

What's the alternative? No restraints? Yeah, no restraints when you're taking them to a public airport.

[Josh]

I trust you.

[Tim Pool]

So hold on, let me make sure this is really clear. They transferred him with no. So you would like them to explain to him, do it at a reasonable hour so he can get a full night's rest and then have him in a public airport with no restraint so he can easily run away.

[Josh]

They sound like it's like it's so. It's like it's such a victim story to get up at 3am to go to the airport. Have you never gone to an airport? I know everyone gets up at 3am to go to the airport. Unless you're a moneybags that can fly out at 1pm Anyway, the plane departed about 8:30, stopping in Boston, Buffalo and Pennsylvania to pick up others in custody. Mostly men, Mr. Blair recalled. Ugh, sausage fest.

[Gerald]

I was hoping there'd be some easy bitches for kidnapping.

[Josh]

Then they go, 12 hours later they land in Louisiana.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Is the implication here that they're like pissed off that this illegal alien didn't fly direct?

[Vince Bongino]

I guess he had.

[Tim Pool]

And then he had a layover.

[Josh]

Oh, you had to fly like most of us. Oh, shoot. Then it goes on to say when they got there, people were being replenished. When 50 people leave in the morning, by 10:30am the doors open and 60 more people walk in. Mr. Blair called. And still mostly men.

[Tim Pool]

Well, here's another.

[Josh]

Say that.

[Tim Pool]

Here's another. Okay, here's the next chapter. A conviction haunts on arrival. You mean you're haunted by your past of kidnapping?

[Vince Bongino]

Oh my gosh.

[Josh]

Again with Marley here.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I can't imagine they're making for the second. Okay. Caribbean nations have been bracing for an influx of flights packed with repatriated citizens as well as people looking to self deport to avoid the shame Associated with deportation. So all of this and how terrible it is, they're also saying that a lot of people are voluntarily deporting.

[Josh]

He could have done if he had a problem with those seven visits during.

[Tim Pool]

Five years at any point. All right, here's another. I wanted to highlight this. It says Jamaicans deported to the island, many of whom have criminal background. How much you want to be bit. Most of whom close to all of whom have long had to grapple with social stigma that stems from a widely held perception that deportees are unemployable, dangerous, and destined to fuel crime. Yeah, yeah, I would imagine that. I would imagine that if someone is arriving in Jamaica and whatever they're equivalent to immigration or customs, like, reason for him getting to Jamaica, and the guy's.

[Gerald]

Like, he's a criminal who kidnapped people.

[Tim Pool]

They're like, oh, so there's a good.

[Gerald]

Chance he'll kidnap over here?

[Vince Bongino]

Yes.

[Josh]

Great.

[Vince Bongino]

It's not the deportation. It's the criminal record that you have that makes them think that.

[Tim Pool]

I also, by the way, they said, like, it's a home that he barely knew. Oh, 20 something. But then it just says missed. Growing up, Mr. Blair attended an all boys high school in sausage fest and chase dreams of playing soccer in England. Yet in 2005, less than two years after moving to the United States on a work visa to join his father in law, the state with the largest Jamaican pocket, he wound up sitting in a Westchester jail. Well, he did because he committed crimes.

[Vince Bongino]

Yes. That's not our fault. That's not society's issue. That's his.

[Josh]

I love how they say Lance sitting in a Westchester jail. Then the next very next paragraph before landing in jail, you don't land in jail. This isn't Monopoly. He didn't roll a six and then lose a hundred dollars.

[Gerald]

I thought I kidnapped A. And Pasco.

[Josh]

Maybe if I roll Devils, they let me out, man.

[Gerald]

Oh, I shouldn't have bought that hotel at Kidnapping Gardens.

[Tim Pool]

All right, here's another. Here's another one of interviews.

[Gerald]

I got caught up selling weed and fell in love with demonic.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, he said, I get it.

[Gerald]

I strayed from miss soccer dreams.

[Josh]

At the. At the age of his. At the age of his early 20s, at the age of 23 or 24, he's like, maybe I'm not gonna make it, man. Maybe when they recruited other 16 year olds, they're not gonna be looking for a 23 year old Mari. Wanna sell her?

[Gerald]

I don't think I can play in FIFA, but I can kidnap one who can Those dreams.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, no, sorry. This is the New York Times person. Not him again. Those dreams were resoundingly shattered on October 11, 2005, when an 18 year old who lived in Mr. Blair's building broke into his apartment and stole half a pound of marijuana and money. Mr. Blair did not report the break into the police, fearful of getting busted for possessing marijuana. Yes, pounds. Instead, he took matters into his own hands.

[Josh]

I think the left hated vigilante justice.

[Vince Bongino]

Part of the problem here.

[Tim Pool]

The police arrested him and two other men the following day after they were accused of kidnapping the teenager, holding him at another apartment and demanding $5,000 from the teenager's father. Over the phone, Mr. Blair was accused of pistol whipping the 18 year old and driving him to the apartment where prosecutors say he was tied up. The police freed. So here's the thing, here's an all of this. Here's the funny one. Like they want to give, you know, this guy did 15 years. Okay, just to be clear, and I'm gonna get to the part where you obviously, like, nothing is 100%. This is 100% that this happened because you'll understand. Again with the very, very next phrase. But think about this. It wasn't just kidnapping. He took matters into his own hands. And so he got a group of other grown men to kidnap a teenager, tie him up, pistol whip him and hold him ransom, demanding money from the kid's father.

[Josh]

But at least they didn't call the cops on him.

[Tim Pool]

Exactly. Exactly. Then it says the police freed the teenager that night after raiding the apartment where they found two handguns and two pounds of marijuana. Meaning the police found him tied up.

[Gerald]

With guns.

[Tim Pool]

So in other words, their couple deniability is they show up, they find a teenager who's been kidnapped by a group of Jamaican men. Likely bruises all over his face, tied to a chair. But the New York Times wants you to believe his defense was he had.

[Gerald]

The gun, went like, oh, it's on the floor.

[Unknown]

Sounds like he got swatted.

[Tim Pool]

Dude, that's a gang crap crime.

[Josh]

Yes. This is like they make movies about this. This is the whole plot of Rush Hour one and two.

[Gerald]

Look, we all make mistakes. Who among us hasn't recruited two other Jamaican bodyguards and kidnapped a teenager while.

[Tim Pool]

Destroying their father's life, holding him for ransom, pistol whipping him in the.

[Josh]

I think it's also the plot of Bad Boys too. I could go on. There's so many movies. Dude, who is not in my house? Before you read this about the account of what happened, it says prosecutors and Mr. Blair differ on what happened next. Oh, by prosecutors, they mean the guy who was kidnapped, pistol whipped and tied up.

[Unknown]

And his family.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, here's the other thing, too. How else do you have any other evidence that he did? I know this doesn't always. But again, the cops found the teen. They found the teenager tied up in the apartment. That's how they found him. Because they raided the house.

[Josh]

Right.

[Tim Pool]

And then the two other suspects involved in the kidnapping pled guilty.

[Josh]

Meanwhile, the guy whose apartment it was in said, no, I didn't do it. I didn't know.

[Tim Pool]

Again, back to the background point. The New York Times doesn't care about you. They know that this is a guy who was here, who had no business being here here, who was involved in a gang crime, kidnapping a teenager, tying him up, pistol whipping him, and God knows what he put his father through.

[Gerald]

The cops found the kid.

[Tim Pool]

There's no. And then the other two people involved with the crime admitted it. Like, yeah, we. We. We did it. So if we can't deport this person, who can we. Who can we deport? Honestly?

[Josh]

They're sure to mention, though, that the other suspects pleaded guilty in exchange for reduced sentences, Right?

[Vince Bongino]

Why didn't he.

[Josh]

They made sure to do that. Yeah, because he's innocent.

[Tim Pool]

Well, here's a good no. Maybe. Hey, look, maybe there's. Maybe there's a twist, okay?

[Josh]

Oh, you know what?

[Tim Pool]

You're right.

[Josh]

It's a long article.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah. Otherwise they wouldn't write this giant pile of shit, right?

[Josh]

Spoiler.

[Tim Pool]

I read it. Mr. Blair pleaded not guilty. Yeah, I'm the odd one out. He pled not guilty and went to trial in 2006 and faced seven, 10 felony counts, including kidnapping and weapons charges. Mr. Blair admitted that he demanded money from the teenager, but maintains that he never held him against his will. Oh, never hit him with a gun and never tied him up.

[Josh]

Yeah, just like that pedophile in Russia. He tied himself up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. So you never held him against his will. The only way he was extracted was when the SWAT team came. He could have left it anytime. And the guns were out. From what I've read to. The guns were there and out.

[Vince Bongino]

They're always out.

[Tim Pool]

Two handguns. Yeah, two handguns. And the other two guys said, yeah, we did it.

[Josh]

But they lied.

[Gerald]

Just like, no, no. The kid was there voluntarily for three.

[Tim Pool]

Days and two nights with no food.

[Gerald]

And it was a misunderstanding. When I called, the father said, you're gonna get $5,000 or you'll never see your son again. It's a fun It's a joke in Jamaica.

[Vince Bongino]

It's a Jamaica.

[Gerald]

You don't have that joke here. It's like the calling saying, do you have Prince Albert in a can? But instead I'm kidnapping your son.

[Josh]

How many ounces in a pound? I'm not, I don't know, the.

[Vince Bongino]

16.

[Josh]

16 ounces in a pound. Six with 16 times 200. I don't think it adds up to 5,000.

[Tim Pool]

Well, it's at least two and a half pounds because the guy, the other.

[Josh]

Guy took half the half pound. What they stole was a half pound. I'm trying to think what he was with the ransom money was. What was he looking to see? Was he seeking the amount, the value?

[Tim Pool]

That's a good point.

[Josh]

Because that's, I mean, I get like, yeah, you stole this much money.

[Vince Bongino]

He stole half a pound is what he said.

[Josh]

Said half a pound.

[Vince Bongino]

So 8 ounces.

[Tim Pool]

So 8 ounces, what?

[Unknown]

1600 bucks.

[Josh]

Wow.

[Vince Bongino]

How do you know that?

[Josh]

Thank you. Yeah, so if it's 200 bucks an ounce. I mean, granted, this is in 2005. It's different. Yeah, but if, if you go, which is, it's not. That's not cheap. 200 bucks an ounce.

[Gerald]

Shut up. It's what we call a finder's fee.

[Vince Bongino]

Okay, Aggravation charges.

[Tim Pool]

But then here's the victim thing, right? Okay, so the other guys plead guilty. The cops had to raid the house. They find two guns. They find them, they find the kid tied up, they find injuries. All right, during the two week trial, Mr. Blair testified weeks that police officers beat him while he was chained to a desk. And coerced testimony that was used at the trial. Is there any proof of that? Hold on, like at this point, in other words, it's clear. That's like, got nothing.

[Vince Bongino]

We don't need testimony. We also don't need two weeks to figure this out.

[Josh]

It's like when you pull a guy over for going 15 on the freeway, right? And his eyes are red. You might not smell marijuana, but you say, I smell marijuana in the car, right? It's like the lawyer going like, yeah. And then also say that they roughed you up.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. No, you know, you know, here's the thing. They said they coerced testimony. Can we find this testimony, guys? Hey, mission control, can we find. In other words, that means. Now, unless he's saying they coerced the testimony of the other guys who pled guilty where he was trying beating him. Yeah, but he was saying they beat him, which means, means he basically admitted to Something and tried to undo it. So he sat down with his pro bono. Columbia. Columbia. Columbia lawyer. And he said, I'm like, okay, so tell me, is there anything I should know?

[Gerald]

Like, well, I admitted to it.

[Tim Pool]

What?

[Gerald]

I admitted it.

[Tim Pool]

But you didn't do it.

[Gerald]

I did.

[Tim Pool]

No, you just say they beat you.

[Gerald]

I don't understand.

[Tim Pool]

What were you saying?

[Josh]

They said, it's not publicly available.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, okay. I wonder why the New York Times text this one.

[Josh]

You know, here's the thing is.

[Tim Pool]

Oh, you.

[Josh]

That could be possible. It could be like an episode of some kind of, I don't know, 2005.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Crime show. But after all the other things, you're like, I don't think so.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, No, I don't believe so.

[Josh]

All the other things, like, yeah, I doubt it. Also, clear cut case. I don't even think they needed a confession right out of you. They found a kid tied up in.

[Tim Pool]

Your apartment with weed and guns.

[Josh]

And guns.

[Tim Pool]

And two other guys who are like.

[Josh]

We did it from the kid's father. It's like, I don't think that's evidence they need.

[Tim Pool]

The whole case took two weeks. It was just everyone guilty.

[Josh]

There actually was. There was some. There was some heavy deliberation.

[Vince Bongino]

Really?

[Josh]

Yes.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. All right.

[Josh]

It was.

[Tim Pool]

Is there something I'm missing?

[Josh]

No, it's a few days. It's somewhere in here.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, okay, okay. All right. I'll find. Okay.

[Josh]

I'm looking through the pages. I see LGBTQ community. I don't know what that heartstring is. Being pulled. No, I don't. Maybe. I don't know.

[Tim Pool]

Here's something else that I find funny. Upon returning to Jamaica here, Mr. Blair focused on his immediate needs. Buying clothes, getting his belongings shipped, finding out how to obtain an id. It's like, oh, so they make you do that in Jamaica, and they don't just give you free clothes and figure that out. Like, here in the United, they expect you to make your own way and have id. Here's where it says. It says, the jury struggled to render a verdict and a mistrial seemed possible. Oh, okay, so New York Times, Right. So there was a mistrial. But a judge instructed the jurors to continue deliberating after they were. After they said they were deadlocked. According to the court documents, which are not public. After five days of deliberations, the jury found Mr. Blair guilty of kidnapping in the first degree. But not the other charges.

[Josh]

The weapons charges of the guns that were clearly found.

[Vince Bongino]

They were there when I got there.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly. They probably were sent to the other guy. Guys. Okay, now we have another chapter. I'm sorry, guys. We could just. I hope this. This one's for us. A Metamorphosis in Prison. Okay, all right. Metamorphosis in prison.

[Josh]

Oh, I.

[Tim Pool]

Listen, so it's a fun.

[Josh]

It's a fun prison that he went to. It sounds like a Disney movie.

[Tim Pool]

So it wants you to believe, like, you guys may not remember this. They did this whole thing with Tookie Williams, and I think people can be rehabilitated. Rehabilitated. But there was a huge civil rights protest. Tookie Williams. How could they put. How could they put him to death? Well, Tookie Williams, I believe was involved with. It was the murder. The Crips. The killing of four different people on three separate occasions, if I'm not mistaken. And then when he was in prison, they said, oh, he wrote children's books, sure. But he never gave up the information that would have led to the arrest of those people who likely were out there. They were still members of the Crips killing people. So it's like, yeah, okay, we get that. You want to check. You want to check your little bingo card saying, look, I'm rehabilitated, but where you can actually make a difference, there are still those gang members, the gang that you helped found out there on the street, right? And they're hurting people. They're killing people. Tookie Williams never helped with that, but he wrote a pop up book. There you go.

[Unknown]

Is that enough?

[Josh]

Was the pop a gunshot?

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah. Kidding.

[Tim Pool]

Now, remember that because this man, Mr. Blair, he began writing poetry that he published online and in a newsletter that he circulated inside the prison.

[Vince Bongino]

Huh?

[Tim Pool]

And he got married in 2012 to a Jamaican woman.

[Vince Bongino]

What?

[Tim Pool]

Who visited him while he was in prison, afforded conjugal visits. What? They had a son in 2014, but later divorced.

[Vince Bongino]

Who could have seen that one coming?

[Tim Pool]

You think he divorced her because he didn't realize that marrying an also Jamaican doesn't give him the right to stay?

[Josh]

Right. I can't believe people in prison would not use protection.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, exactly.

[Vince Bongino]

I can't believe they gave him a conjugal visit.

[Tim Pool]

I can't.

[Josh]

I mean, why? Guys got a bone?

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah, but this is prison. That's part of it, I think. I don't know.

[Josh]

I think that's a normal thing, right?

[Tim Pool]

It almost seems like, if you look at this, he met her while he was in prison, and she was banging him while he was in prison, and then he immediately left her. That he almost didn't actually care about her and was just banging Her.

[Josh]

Surely it goes into how he's a great father here.

[Tim Pool]

Yes, yes, exactly. Surely, surely it must.

[Josh]

Surely that's not the last mention of his father fatherhood.

[Tim Pool]

It must be. Yeah. You might go into what a present father he is. Okay, here's a but on the day of his release, ICE informed the prison that it would not detain Mr. Blair. He said what still? When his aunt picked him up outside the prison, Mr. Blair sprinted to the car and reclined the passenger seat so he was hidden from view in case ICE was waiting.

[Vince Bongino]

I hope ICE was waiting down the street to make me think you got away.

[Josh]

And it doesn't mention. It mentions earlier, but mentions not. Make sure not to mention here, cleverly that the year was 20.

[Vince Bongino]

2020.

[Tim Pool]

So relatively recent. So it's almost like it's.

[Josh]

The timing of it is. Yeah, it's great.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Trump's out. Biden's in.

[Vince Bongino]

Well, Trump was in in 2020.

[Josh]

2020. Yeah, but he. Everyone kind of.

[Tim Pool]

No, but this also means that the majority of his time in the United States was spent in prison. Yes, pretty much all of it in the first year.

[Vince Bongino]

In the first year where all you go.

[Josh]

He spent six years out of of prison. 15 in.

[Vince Bongino]

I went to Queens and then Rikers.

[Josh]

He also visited Buffalo, Pennsylvania.

[Vince Bongino]

Got a few prisons under his belt, you know.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, all right.

[Vince Bongino]

Executive Platinum.

[Tim Pool]

So here we go. You talk about his fiance. Oh, sorry. But his fiance is separate from the woman he was banging in prison. While he was in prison. Yeah, yeah.

[Josh]

Oh, different lady.

[Tim Pool]

He lived with his fiancee who was also Jamaican and had been caring for her after she was dying us with breast cancer. Okay. So hopefully he stays with.

[Josh]

That is. That is sad.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, it is. Five years had gone by since prison. He had recently purchased an 18 foot box truck, intending to one day have a trucking fleet.

[Vince Bongino]

Wait, so I, I was told that he started a trucking company. It sounds like he has dreams of starting a trucking company much.

[Josh]

You could have a trucking company with one truck.

[Tim Pool]

He gave it up for kidnapping and stuff.

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah. I was about to say, and he.

[Tim Pool]

Was thinking, thinking of buying a house next year. Well, that's also Everybody always.

[Josh]

I'm also thinking of buying one next year.

[Tim Pool]

I constantly think of buying houses just like, ah, it'd be cool if I could just like buy all the houses. But I just. Okay, Blackrock, do it. Chill out. And then I'm like, ah, I only need the one.

[Vince Bongino]

You can buy more if you want.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, I just think about it.

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Every vacation I think about buying a House.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. I'm like, oh, this is really nice. I should buy a house here.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

And then instead I buy an 18 foot box truck.

[Josh]

You know, yesterday.

[Tim Pool]

Think about starting a trucking fleet.

[Josh]

Yesterday I was thinking about buying an island.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah, me too.

[Josh]

Then I realized I don't have money.

[Tim Pool]

No.

[Vince Bongino]

How many trucks do you need for a fleet?

[Tim Pool]

I would imagine more than one.

[Vince Bongino]

More than one.

[Josh]

But there's no singular word.

[Gerald]

How. I have a dream of being the first single truck fleet.

[Vince Bongino]

I have the QT fleet gas card, though.

[Tim Pool]

Like, this is such bull crap. They start. Can we go back when they start the article? What was it? What was the article? Where it started. Where it said he was. Hold on a second. Let me find.

[Josh]

You said chapter. What chapter was it?

[Tim Pool]

Well, because early on. Hold on. I think I might have. We're going through this one second. We'll do it.

[Vince Bongino]

Live with our friends.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, hold on.

[Josh]

Loving us or hating it by the way. They're loving it. Okay. Because I like. Is it just us?

[Police Chief Jim Veltkamp]

So silly.

[Josh]

This is ridiculous.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

There was. Where was it? There was a whole thing. Honestly, there was a whole thing where it talked about earlier. Talked about him starting a trucking.

[Vince Bongino]

That's what I mean.

[Josh]

That's where we were. Yeah. Five years had gone by since the beginning.

[Vince Bongino]

In the beginning, where it said it was trying to make him out to be this, like, entrepreneur. He's done this. He started a trucking company.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Okay.

[Vince Bongino]

Done all these things.

[Tim Pool]

Hold on a second. Yeah. Hustling dealing. Jamaican side dealing. You guys keep. Keep reading it. I'll keep reading and I'll find this. I want to. Because early on we just read it right. Where they were like, oh, yeah, he did. He had a trucking fleet. And now they're like, he bought a truck and thought about an apartment twice.

[Unknown]

It's probably the top where it says he was handcuffed.

[Tim Pool]

Who deserves to.

[Josh]

There's something earlier where it says where one of these ladies that was protesting says, I feel like if Mr. Trump met Mr. Blair, he would think that he is what makes America great.

[Vince Bongino]

We've got it.

[Unknown]

I call President Trump.

[Tim Pool]

Okay. What's that?

[Josh]

That's what she said.

[Tim Pool]

It was his criminal past that had gotten him deported from the United States where he had been rebuilding his life in seeking redemption. He'd earned two college degrees, started a trucking business.

[Unknown]

So thinking about starting a business. Is starting a business.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah.

[Josh]

He earned two college degrees. That's pretty cool. I wonder how he paid for it.

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. And how does he still have the free cash for thinking about.

[Josh]

How did he pay for. How did he pay for two college degrees?

[Tim Pool]

Sold a lot of weed.

[Josh]

Because no offense, but I. I actually.

[Tim Pool]

Offense.

[Josh]

I don't know how he came up with the money. Was it the marijuana money from before?

[Gerald]

Look, don't blame me that you can't afford two college degrees. Pull yourself up by your kidnapping bootstraps.

[Josh]

Good point.

[Gerald]

Kidnap of few more people get a few more ransoms.

[Josh]

How many ransoms did it take?

[Unknown]

It was DeVry, I think.

[Josh]

Is it. It's like free education for prisoners. Is that a thing?

[Vince Bongino]

I don't know.

[Josh]

Like. Like how military people get it.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, all right, hold on.

[Josh]

They eat the same food.

[Tim Pool]

So tired.

[Vince Bongino]

That juxtaposition's rough, Josh.

[Tim Pool]

Okay, I know there's another way.

[Josh]

I said it.

[Tim Pool]

Guys, there's still so many more chapters.

[Josh]

Are you serious?

[Tim Pool]

You see, I have the tax. Oh, my gosh, it's 2025. I usually don't have to have tabs on a New York Times article when I print it.

[Josh]

Are we at rebuilding yet?

[Tim Pool]

Yes, rebuilding again in Jamaica. Now, remember, all cultures are equal.

[Vince Bongino]

Or you could say building.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, yeah.

[Vince Bongino]

There is no re.

[Tim Pool]

The comforts Mr. Blair took for granted in the United States vanished in Jamaica like a free education, free food. Oh, my God.

[Vince Bongino]

Camaraderie of other cellmates, mates. I don't understand.

[Tim Pool]

Just a few days after arriving, Mr. Blair was showering and flushing with buckets of water as the family dealt with a water outage, a frequent occurrence. Hey, can you guys bring up. And I like him, but Conan O'Brien. Remember when. When Donald Trump said that Haiti was a. Or he said, like these shithole countries. And then Conan O'Brien took a picture of him in the water. Like, Haiti has always been beautiful. It was a whole campaign. It's always been beautiful because Haiti is even worse than Jamaica. But as far as poverty, Jamaica is really bad. So keep in mind this is the same left that tells you these countries are beautiful. You have no right to say that they are inferior. Who would ever use the term? Well, I don't know. You talking about.

[Vince Bongino]

How's the photo?

[Tim Pool]

Yeah, he's going. Haiti was always beautiful. Now just.

[Josh]

A half a mile off the coast.

[Tim Pool]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Vince Bongino]

And you'll see Papa Doc standing over there.

[Tim Pool]

There's someone waiting on the shore with a two by four and a nail in it.

[Unknown]

Yeah. The Black people are 100 yards away behind him.

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah. Exactly one minute until we're going to be. We're going to be raiding to Tim pools.

[Tim Pool]

All right. Don't forget, Mr. Blair was home.

[Josh]

Wait, wait, wait. He was home?

[Tim Pool]

He was home?

[Josh]

I thought I wasn't home.

[Gerald]

It doesn't feel like home.

[Josh]

But without a job, maybe you can start a trucking company down there. I.

[Vince Bongino]

Well, cheap, so you don't have to go very far.

[Tim Pool]

And living in a. Living in a house that needed repairs. Okay, he went from thinking about buying one to being in one that needed repairs.

[Vince Bongino]

Hold on, hold on. It seems like he got to be in a house for free. This sounds like a better.

[Tim Pool]

He's with.

[Josh]

He's with family, which, yeah, it kind of seems tone deaf to me that they're talking about how shitty of a life this guy is having now. Living in the same conditions his family he abandoned have been living in for the last 21 years.

[Vince Bongino]

Exactly.

[Unknown]

He's reunited.

[Tim Pool]

This is. And he says, this is my freaking reality.

[Gerald]

After I worked so hard. What am I going to do?

[Tim Pool]

Well, why don't you just keep working hard?

[Vince Bongino]

Yeah, there you go.

[Josh]

Still work hard in Jamaica.

[Tim Pool]

Work hard in Jamaica. Hey, by the way, if you were thinking about buying a house, I would imagine you have some cash. Imagine disposable income. You probably have another stash of three pounds of weed.

[Josh]

You're a collegiate graduate.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I don't think there's any weed in Jamaica.

[Tim Pool]

No. You can't find.

[Unknown]

Can't sell it there. Everybody has it.

[Tim Pool]

There's one.

[Josh]

I don't need to buy your weed, man. I got my own plant.

[Unknown]

A saturated market.

[Josh]

Oh, you got to sell me water, too, man.

[Tim Pool]

There's one dumb Jamaican there who's like.

[Gerald]

Does anyone know where I can find some weed on this island?

[Josh]

Help me. I have glaucoma.

[Tim Pool]

All right, guys. I guess Tim, we're going to. We're going to continue with this. And we also have a. What we missed. We have a bunch more from you on Rumble Prem. If you are not a member, you can click it right there. Click Rumble Premium. And none of this happens without you. Every now and then, we take a risk. You can let us know if you like it. We're gonna continue with this right now. And those of you who are not Rumble Premium members, hey, continue watching for free. Tim Pool. Oh, this next part is good.