Louder with Crowder

Episode: They Are Lying Because They Are Losing: ICE Shooter, White People, & ... Bees?
Date: September 25, 2025
Host: Steven Crowder
Notable guests/co-hosts: Josh Firestein, Lane (aka "Lane the Brain"), Bill Richmond (joins near the end)

Episode Overview

This episode of "Louder with Crowder" tackles several timely and controversial topics in politics and culture with Crowder's signature irreverent, confrontational style. Main segments include a discussion of left-wing media bias and narrative-spinning in coverage of a Dallas ICE facility shooting, analysis—and ridicule—of Candace Owens’ "bee" conspiracy theory, comments on the Utah Bee Flag and “communist bees”, pop culture mini-reviews (Apple TV's "Savant," "Severance"), and a preview of possible legal action against former FBI Director James Comey.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Show Structure

Light/Fast-paced — lots of inside jokes and crowd banter.

• The show opens with jokes about the show's structure, running gags about who’s first in the live chat, and playful teasing among the team (01:10–08:09).
• The tone is set as irreverent and at times intentionally edgy; jokes lightly mocking diversity, 90s references, and brief mentions of their own live appearances.

2. London Mayor Sadiq Khan & Trump Critique

(08:09–12:26)

• The crew plays a clip of London Mayor Sadiq Khan responding to a criticism from Donald Trump and lampoons him as "Muslim Ben Shapiro".
• Jokes hinge on stereotypes ("Islama bin Sharia"), cultural references (“living rent free in Trump’s head”), and critiques of Khan's self-promotion of London as “the GOAT” (Greatest Of All Time).

"Does he not see the irony there? You gotta pick. You really have to pick a different like cultural reference when you're trying to say you're the best." – Steven Crowder (09:42)

• They criticize London’s crime statistics (references to rape and knife crime), and lampoon local news stories about people eating swans in city parks.

3. The "Bee" Conspiracy and Candace Owens

(12:26–28:11)

• Crowder introduces Candace Owens' recent conspiracy theory which bizarrely connects school shootings, a Polish underground symbol, public schools, and a network of “bee farmers” to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
• Candace Owens' own audio is played; she describes a gut feeling about “an underground that has emerged at schools...related to bees”.

"I think it's a communist underground and I don't know why, but it has something to do with bees. Totally sensible thing to say to your husband." – Candace Owens, sarcastically echoed by Crowder (17:25)

• The hosts ridicule the linguistics ("bee farmers" vs. beekeepers) and highlight Candace’s apparent “rambling.”
• Crowder points out the Utah beehive flag’s real origins—the Mormon pioneer metaphor for industriousness—and debunks Owens' linkage of bees, Mormons, and communism.

"It's not from there that I had about an underground bees happening. I was just like, totally freaked out." – Candace Owens (20:06)
"Do they have special bee–Listen, Mormons chill out, okay? You think this is funny too?" – Steven Crowder (21:01)

• Satirical riffing ensues, including ridiculous connections ("Michael B. Jordan shot the ICE facility”), running gags about communist bees, and jabs at conspiracy theorists in general.

Notable / Memorable Quotes

"Not the bees! Not the Polish Mormon Communist bees. I didn't know bees could be Mormons. Who knew?" – Steven Crowder (21:01)
"I hope you guys are out there eating your popcorn, watching this, going, can you believe what she's saying?" – Steven Crowder (21:53)
"That's a fun concept—capitalist bees." – Josh Firestein (24:35)

4. Media Narratives Around Domestic Terror, the ICE Facility Shooting, and “Who is the Real Threat?”

(39:09–61:26)

• The hosts address widespread claims from left-leaning media and politicians that right-wing domestic terror is the preeminent threat facing America, referencing studies (Cato Institute) that supposedly show right-wing terrorists are more deadly.
• Crowder and crew debunk the numbers—pointing out that a substantial ratio attributed to the right comes from older, exceptional events (the Oklahoma City Bombing), and that the labeling of "right-wing" is often cherry-picked or includes unrelated types of offenders (incels, religious extremists, etc.).

"All religious and incel killings, by the way, are considered right wing because why not?" – Steven Crowder (41:04)

• The discussion highlights how left-wing violence (BLM riots, anti-ICE attacks) is undercounted or not counted at all.
• The Dallas ICE shooter is discussed in detail: shooter’s biracial identity, anti-ICE and anti-Trump ties, and the left's attempts to cast the event as a MAGA hate crime (notably Bryan Krassenstein’s posts).
• The hosts note that left-wing influencers and Democrat politicians quickly assign blame to the right and rarely walk back erroneous narratives, even after facts are revealed.

"When is a biracial person considered white? When they do something bad." – Josh Firestein (56:35)

• Satirical anger is expressed at the double standards in mainstream media, highlighting that the attacker even left a note specifically targeting ICE agents and expressing intent to "give ICE agents real terror" (57:34).

Key Segment Timestamps

• Bee Conspiracy Debunking: 12:26–28:11
• ICE Dallas Shooter, Media Misinformation: 46:11–61:14
• Discussing Media/Cato Study on Right-wing Terror: 39:09–44:45
• Krassenstein Tweet Critique: 49:01–54:03
• Shooter’s Identity, Motive, Note: 56:27–58:34

5. Pop Culture & Apple TV's "Savant"

(29:43–38:03)

• Jokes about the “curse segment” (segments that always get bumped or delayed).
• The crowd debates Apple TV's "Savant" (production postponed due to current events) and "Severance" (which Crowder dislikes, to others’ amusement).

"I did stop at episode four, so I really didn't get a chance." – Steven Crowder (45:51)

• Exaggerated and sarcastic trailer viewing: more jokes about "white terrorist" tropes in new shows (33:00–35:04).

Notable Quotes

"I'm just happy they're giving white actors work, you know, the white terrorist is an underrepresented... vein in movies." – Steven Crowder (34:26)

6. Legal Preview: Possible James Comey Indictment

(62:16–end)

• The episode closes previewing a discussion of breaking news: possible indictment of former FBI director James Comey, relating to the Steele dossier and Russia collusion investigation.
• Lawyer Bill Richmond is introduced; but much of this section is a promo for the Mug Club and premium segment.

Themes, Analysis, & Tone

• Recurring Theme: Mainstream media and “the left” are portrayed as manipulative, frequently dishonest, and engaged in narrative spin—particularly around violence and terrorism.
• Conspiracy Satire: Candace Owens' “bee” theory is lampooned as an example of credulous, evidence-free paranoia infecting both sides.
• Identity Politics: Hosts point out that race and motive attributions are inconsistently applied by press and activists, particularly regarding high-profile crimes.
• Tone: Boisterous, heavy with sarcasm, dark humor, and self-aware ridiculousness. Show regularly swerves from genuine critique to intentionally silly, over-the-top mockery.

Conclusion & Takeaways

• The show’s core message: “They [the left/media] are lying because they are losing”—attempting to control the narrative, failing to face facts or acknowledge when violence comes from the left.
• Satirical opposition to conspiracy thinking, regardless of source, urging for evidence-based critique over speculation.
• Implicit call for accountability/consistency from both media and political influencers when addressing politically tinged violence.

Memorable Quotes Recap

• "Not the bees! Not the Polish Mormon Communist bees. I didn't know bees could be Mormons. Who knew?" – Steven Crowder (21:01)
• "All religious and incel killings, by the way, are considered right wing because why not?" – Steven Crowder (41:04)
• "When is a biracial person considered white? When they do something bad." – Josh Firestein (56:35)

Table of Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Notable Points/Quotes | Timestamp(s) | |----------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------|---------------------| | Opening/Riffing | Chat banter, show setup | Early chat is "the best chat" | 01:10–08:09 | | London Mayor Sadiq Khan | Trump feud, London stats | "Muslim Ben Shapiro", crime in London | 08:09–12:26 | | Candace Owens' Bee Conspiracy | Satirical deep-dive/debunking | "Not the bees!", Utah flag is not communist | 12:26–28:11 | | Pop Culture: Apple TV, "Savant" | Entertainment roundup | Lampooning "white terrorist" TV tropes | 29:43–38:03 | | Media Narrative on Terrorism | Right vs. Left violence, Cato stats | Methodology critique, selective reporting | 39:09–44:45 | | ICE Facility Shooting | Details, media spin, Krassenstein tweet critique | Shooter's identity, motives, left spin critiqued | 46:11–61:14 | | Legal Preview: James Comey Indictment | Brief setup for premium segment | Teaser for continued conversation | 62:16–end |

For further context, please refer to the show’s Rumble channel for the full episode (ad-free for Mug Club members).