They Are Lying Because They Are Losing: ICE Shooter, White People, & ... Bees?

Summary

Louder with Crowder

Episode: They Are Lying Because They Are Losing: ICE Shooter, White People, & ... Bees?
Date: September 25, 2025
Host: Steven Crowder
Notable guests/co-hosts: Josh Firestein, Lane (aka "Lane the Brain"), Bill Richmond (joins near the end)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Louder with Crowder" tackles several timely and controversial topics in politics and culture with Crowder's signature irreverent, confrontational style. Main segments include a discussion of left-wing media bias and narrative-spinning in coverage of a Dallas ICE facility shooting, analysis—and ridicule—of Candace Owens’ "bee" conspiracy theory, comments on the Utah Bee Flag and “communist bees”, pop culture mini-reviews (Apple TV's "Savant," "Severance"), and a preview of possible legal action against former FBI Director James Comey.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Opening Banter & Show Structure

Light/Fast-paced — lots of inside jokes and crowd banter.

• The show opens with jokes about the show's structure, running gags about who’s first in the live chat, and playful teasing among the team (01:10–08:09).
• The tone is set as irreverent and at times intentionally edgy; jokes lightly mocking diversity, 90s references, and brief mentions of their own live appearances.

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2. London Mayor Sadiq Khan & Trump Critique

(08:09–12:26)

• The crew plays a clip of London Mayor Sadiq Khan responding to a criticism from Donald Trump and lampoons him as "Muslim Ben Shapiro".
• Jokes hinge on stereotypes ("Islama bin Sharia"), cultural references (“living rent free in Trump’s head”), and critiques of Khan's self-promotion of London as “the GOAT” (Greatest Of All Time).

"Does he not see the irony there? You gotta pick. You really have to pick a different like cultural reference when you're trying to say you're the best." – Steven Crowder (09:42)

• They criticize London’s crime statistics (references to rape and knife crime), and lampoon local news stories about people eating swans in city parks.

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3. The "Bee" Conspiracy and Candace Owens

(12:26–28:11)

• Crowder introduces Candace Owens' recent conspiracy theory which bizarrely connects school shootings, a Polish underground symbol, public schools, and a network of “bee farmers” to the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
• Candace Owens' own audio is played; she describes a gut feeling about “an underground that has emerged at schools...related to bees”.

"I think it's a communist underground and I don't know why, but it has something to do with bees. Totally sensible thing to say to your husband." – Candace Owens, sarcastically echoed by Crowder (17:25)

• The hosts ridicule the linguistics ("bee farmers" vs. beekeepers) and highlight Candace’s apparent “rambling.”
• Crowder points out the Utah beehive flag’s real origins—the Mormon pioneer metaphor for industriousness—and debunks Owens' linkage of bees, Mormons, and communism.

"It's not from there that I had about an underground bees happening. I was just like, totally freaked out." – Candace Owens (20:06)
"Do they have special bee–Listen, Mormons chill out, okay? You think this is funny too?" – Steven Crowder (21:01)

• Satirical riffing ensues, including ridiculous connections ("Michael B. Jordan shot the ICE facility”), running gags about communist bees, and jabs at conspiracy theorists in general.

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Notable / Memorable Quotes

"Not the bees! Not the Polish Mormon Communist bees. I didn't know bees could be Mormons. Who knew?" – Steven Crowder (21:01)
"I hope you guys are out there eating your popcorn, watching this, going, can you believe what she's saying?" – Steven Crowder (21:53)
"That's a fun concept—capitalist bees." – Josh Firestein (24:35)

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4. Media Narratives Around Domestic Terror, the ICE Facility Shooting, and “Who is the Real Threat?”

(39:09–61:26)

• The hosts address widespread claims from left-leaning media and politicians that right-wing domestic terror is the preeminent threat facing America, referencing studies (Cato Institute) that supposedly show right-wing terrorists are more deadly.
• Crowder and crew debunk the numbers—pointing out that a substantial ratio attributed to the right comes from older, exceptional events (the Oklahoma City Bombing), and that the labeling of "right-wing" is often cherry-picked or includes unrelated types of offenders (incels, religious extremists, etc.).

"All religious and incel killings, by the way, are considered right wing because why not?" – Steven Crowder (41:04)

• The discussion highlights how left-wing violence (BLM riots, anti-ICE attacks) is undercounted or not counted at all.
• The Dallas ICE shooter is discussed in detail: shooter’s biracial identity, anti-ICE and anti-Trump ties, and the left's attempts to cast the event as a MAGA hate crime (notably Bryan Krassenstein’s posts).
• The hosts note that left-wing influencers and Democrat politicians quickly assign blame to the right and rarely walk back erroneous narratives, even after facts are revealed.

"When is a biracial person considered white? When they do something bad." – Josh Firestein (56:35)

• Satirical anger is expressed at the double standards in mainstream media, highlighting that the attacker even left a note specifically targeting ICE agents and expressing intent to "give ICE agents real terror" (57:34).

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Key Segment Timestamps

• Bee Conspiracy Debunking: 12:26–28:11
• ICE Dallas Shooter, Media Misinformation: 46:11–61:14
• Discussing Media/Cato Study on Right-wing Terror: 39:09–44:45
• Krassenstein Tweet Critique: 49:01–54:03
• Shooter’s Identity, Motive, Note: 56:27–58:34

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5. Pop Culture & Apple TV's "Savant"

(29:43–38:03)

• Jokes about the “curse segment” (segments that always get bumped or delayed).
• The crowd debates Apple TV's "Savant" (production postponed due to current events) and "Severance" (which Crowder dislikes, to others’ amusement).

"I did stop at episode four, so I really didn't get a chance." – Steven Crowder (45:51)

• Exaggerated and sarcastic trailer viewing: more jokes about "white terrorist" tropes in new shows (33:00–35:04).

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Notable Quotes

"I'm just happy they're giving white actors work, you know, the white terrorist is an underrepresented... vein in movies." – Steven Crowder (34:26)

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6. Legal Preview: Possible James Comey Indictment

(62:16–end)

• The episode closes previewing a discussion of breaking news: possible indictment of former FBI director James Comey, relating to the Steele dossier and Russia collusion investigation.
• Lawyer Bill Richmond is introduced; but much of this section is a promo for the Mug Club and premium segment.

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Themes, Analysis, & Tone

• Recurring Theme: Mainstream media and “the left” are portrayed as manipulative, frequently dishonest, and engaged in narrative spin—particularly around violence and terrorism.
• Conspiracy Satire: Candace Owens' “bee” theory is lampooned as an example of credulous, evidence-free paranoia infecting both sides.
• Identity Politics: Hosts point out that race and motive attributions are inconsistently applied by press and activists, particularly regarding high-profile crimes.
• Tone: Boisterous, heavy with sarcasm, dark humor, and self-aware ridiculousness. Show regularly swerves from genuine critique to intentionally silly, over-the-top mockery.

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• The show’s core message: “They [the left/media] are lying because they are losing”—attempting to control the narrative, failing to face facts or acknowledge when violence comes from the left.
• Satirical opposition to conspiracy thinking, regardless of source, urging for evidence-based critique over speculation.
• Implicit call for accountability/consistency from both media and political influencers when addressing politically tinged violence.

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Memorable Quotes Recap

• "Not the bees! Not the Polish Mormon Communist bees. I didn't know bees could be Mormons. Who knew?" – Steven Crowder (21:01)
• "All religious and incel killings, by the way, are considered right wing because why not?" – Steven Crowder (41:04)
• "When is a biracial person considered white? When they do something bad." – Josh Firestein (56:35)

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Table of Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Notable Points/Quotes | Timestamp(s) | |----------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------|---------------------| | Opening/Riffing | Chat banter, show setup | Early chat is "the best chat" | 01:10–08:09 | | London Mayor Sadiq Khan | Trump feud, London stats | "Muslim Ben Shapiro", crime in London | 08:09–12:26 | | Candace Owens' Bee Conspiracy | Satirical deep-dive/debunking | "Not the bees!", Utah flag is not communist | 12:26–28:11 | | Pop Culture: Apple TV, "Savant" | Entertainment roundup | Lampooning "white terrorist" TV tropes | 29:43–38:03 | | Media Narrative on Terrorism | Right vs. Left violence, Cato stats | Methodology critique, selective reporting | 39:09–44:45 | | ICE Facility Shooting | Details, media spin, Krassenstein tweet critique | Shooter's identity, motives, left spin critiqued | 46:11–61:14 | | Legal Preview: James Comey Indictment | Brief setup for premium segment | Teaser for continued conversation | 62:16–end |

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Transcript

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[Steven Crowder]

Good Monday. More. Come on, guys. You got to collar and. What the. Guys? Anybody? Hey. What? What? No way. No. Steve. Steven. Steven. Oh, no, no, no. Tim. No, no, no, no, no, no. Tim. Tim. Oh, come on. Lord Tim with his PR headband. I did everything I was supposed to do. I went to church, I went to ministry school. I went on missions trips. For goodness sakes. You gotta be kidding. SA click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or 9.99amonth to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of content creators and free speec. Sam, I don't know if you had the same reaction that I did seeing that, but my. My heart rate's up a bit.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, that was better. That was better than the trailer for the Last Jedi.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I went from six to midnight. Right? Yeah. Listen, we. We are not going to surrender this space. The left wants us silenced and off of college campuses. We refuse to let that happen. And that is why change my mind is coming back. So get ready for today's show. We have a lot of fun topics to get into. I'm going to save the best for last. For me, it's not going to come last in the show, but Apple's the Savant has actually been delayed. I know everybody's super duper sad about that. We're going to give you some updates on the Dallas shooter and the very, very predictable ridiculous response from most of those on the left, left. Especially one of the Krasnsteins. I don't know. You pick whichever gay one it is. I'm not really sure. And then Hardly Legal with Bill Richmond talking about James Comey. But Candace has a new theory that involves bees. I can't. You'll understand when we get there. She has a new theory on, obviously, what is a terrible situation with Charlie Kirk's assassination, and it involves bees. And listen, there's a lot of conspiracies out there. I get it. More information does need to come out. I understand where some people are coming from, where they're just curious. They want to know what happened. I understand that. But to run down some of these really strange, crazy lines is a little bit weird. And we're going to talk about that. But what do you think was the worst excuse that we saw yesterday from the media to explain the Dallas ice facility shooting and the shooter and their motivations? Comment below, let me know. Do you think the FBI is walking around, maybe riding on, you know, bullets, shell casings, stuff like that, just to leave behind, kind of like a trail to kind of mix you up? Do you think that's what's really going on? I don't really know, but I've heard a lot of people say that it's a live show weekdays at 11:00am Eastern Time. Over in my chair, Mr. Josh Firestein. How are you doing today, sir?

[Josh Firestein]

I'm good. I'm good. I have a theory, by the way, Dallas shooting, I think it was Cruise's dad.

[Steven Crowder]

That one's already been used, though. He can't be in multiple. I mean, conspiracies.

[Josh Firestein]

Pattern of behavior would show.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't think that's true, but it's science. And now I have the awkward task of trying to promote your comedy show Friday and Saturday, September 26 and 27, at Cap City Comedy Club in Austin, Texas, tomorrow. Man. And not underscore Firestein on X. To follow someone who's not Josh Firestein. I think that's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

Tomorrow, Saturday, we'll have fun. Don't be scared.

[Steven Crowder]

Are you going to talk more about your theories?

[Josh Firestein]

No, that's. I mean, that's how conspiracy theory goes, right? You don't really present evidence. You just kind of say what you think.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, that does that. Absolutely.

[Josh Firestein]

I also have text messages from Stephen that he hasn't answered that I'd like to show.

[Steven Crowder]

Are those your receipts? Wait, but you know what you told me earlier that you don't make a habit of showing text messages to make sure that you can prove a point. That's not something that you do well.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm going to start now.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, fantastic. And because you're in my chair in the fisheye camera lens, which is a weird world to live in, but you do it well. It highlights the 90s music video.

[Josh Firestein]

It's awesome.

[Steven Crowder]

Or, you know, you're a Padres player from the 80s.

[Josh Firestein]

One of the two deep in.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you. We have Lane the brain, Ginger Snap in third chair. How are you, sir? I have to include the last part. I have to. Well, it's because there's three chairs. One, two.

[Lane]

There's like six chairs.

[Steven Crowder]

Anyway. Well, that could be four chair.

[Lane]

I never got that part, to be honest with you. I don't know.

[Steven Crowder]

Is that going to be part of our contract negotiations next week? This is why you got the fact checking.

[Lane]

I was binging Supernatural last night. So I also have a lot of theories on what could have happened in a lot of different places.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, we're not gonna ask you any of that. Okay, let's jump right into the show. Actually, you know what? Before we do, apparently there's this thing. I didn't know about this, but you guys join the stream as soon as you possibly can to try to be the first person to comment. That's a thing, right, Tim?

[Josh Firestein]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

There's like hundreds of people that try to be the first person every single day. Like, is there any.

[Josh Firestein]

It's the same handful of early chatters.

[Steven Crowder]

Is there a single.

[Josh Firestein]

Early chat's the best chat.

[Steven Crowder]

So early chat's the best chat. Well, thank you very much. Give us some good chats today. By the way, it's chat Thursday. Throughout the show today. Send us some topic related chats that you want us to answer. But is there like a. Is there like a rule? Like you have to form a sentence? Is it like a single character? That counts.

[Josh Firestein]

They get first. Today it was Hondo, 2461.

[Steven Crowder]

What did he put in chat? I'd have to a single letter.

[Josh Firestein]

I can't scroll up there.

[Steven Crowder]

Why? Like the closest thing over. I mean the closest thing to return.

[Josh Firestein]

Good morning. He said, okay, well that counts then.

[Steven Crowder]

All right, all right. Well that's fine. Well, congratulations to whoever he said.

[Josh Firestein]

Hondo.

[Steven Crowder]

Hondo. I was going to say Rondo and I know, I remember.

[Lane]

Hondo.

[Steven Crowder]

Hondo. My apologies sincerely. Good job chatting yesterday.

[Josh Firestein]

Yes, I heard you apologizing, so I think you got something wrong.

[Steven Crowder]

That was you, wasn't it? Hondo? We had. We had a little bond. You stop. No I'm on the bottom. It's supposed to be a funny chair and so far not so.

[Lane]

I would be willing to say I'm.

[Steven Crowder]

The second person in here on to that.

[Josh Firestein]

First is Tim.

[Steven Crowder]

I hate all of you. Let's go to something I hate more. London. The mayor Citicon. He gave a confident response after. I guess Trump called him out as being a bad mayor, but he didn't think so. People who are wondering what it is about this Muslim mayor who leads a liberal, multicultural, progressive, successful city. That means I appear to be living rent free inside Donald Trump's head.

[Josh Firestein]

So you're saying he is Islamophobic?

[Steven Crowder]

I think you know, President Trump has shown he is racist, he is sexist, he is misogynistic and he's Islamophobic.

[Josh Firestein]

We can't elect him again. Terrible mayor as well. Are you a terrible mayor?

[Steven Crowder]

Well listen, I'm just thankful that we have record numbers of Americans coming to London.

[Josh Firestein]

That's a yes translation. By the way, doesn't he look like Muslim Ben Shapiro? Dare I say Islama bin Sharia? He's drinking western blood.

[Steven Crowder]

Why is there like the echo make it sound really creepy. Like it's in a cave somewhere.

[Lane]

It is creepy, the whole thing.

[Josh Firestein]

The nine year old girl.

[Lane]

What the 72. It's a very creepy religion.

[Josh Firestein]

It's supposed to scare you into prayer.

[Lane]

At one point during I thought I wanted, I thought I got this right. He said he was a Muslim, liberal, multicultural, progressive. Pick an hell man.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, which are you? Let me go through my boxes real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Check all of them and be the worst mayor ever. So on X the other day he wrote I've said it once, I'll say it again, ignore the haters. London is the goat. Does he not see the irony there? You gotta pick. You really have to pick a different like cultural reference when you're trying to say you're the best.

[Josh Firestein]

Well, that's why they're flocking there. This guy keeps selling it as some kind of sex haven.

[Steven Crowder]

Well then the tourists get fleeced. I mean, come on.

[Lane]

That was pretty good.

[Steven Crowder]

That was a rough reference. But listen, he talks a big game. He's on a city transportation. I'm sure that's what he takes to get around his wonderful beautiful city. But reality kind of kicks you in the teeth when you post something like that. Because his city leads all these different categories. Biggest one, rape is reported every hour in his city. That is so perfect. Also, knife crime is up over 58% in the last three years. It's interesting that we say knives because you guys are pansies and don't let your citizens protect themselves with firearms. But, hey, they use what they have available, and that goes for the things that they eat.

[Josh Firestein]

What you do with that? What are you doing with that, bro? You eat it. Yeah, Let it go, man.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm gonna get someone to check what bird this is. I think it might be a swan. I'm not sure, but. Do you know what a swan is, sir? White birds that you see on the park. The ones you've been eating. There's a hell of a lot of.

[Josh Firestein]

Big, white, big tasty birds in the park.

[Steven Crowder]

Problem is, could be.

[Josh Firestein]

Are you taking the piss?

[Steven Crowder]

I feel like we've seen this before somewhere in, like, Springfield, Ohio. It just comes to mind.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't know, but they said it differently. They said, yo, that's a duck.

[Steven Crowder]

That's true. It was a different group of people that came in and did that. But listen, I get it. Being mayor. Guys, come on. Being mayor is a tough job. And there's already a documentary in the works covering Khan's next vacation. Hello.

[Lane]

When is the frog in the boiling water? Enough like that. There's an Islamic area.

[Steven Crowder]

Are you saying they're eating frogs as well?

[Lane]

I'm saying that letting it is a Muslim. Become the mayor of the west second great city. Become the mayor is probably not a good thing, and we should have stopped a little bit short of that.

[Josh Firestein]

Well, I don't want to spoil anything, but coming to New York City 2020.

[Steven Crowder]

That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, this isn't what the founders.

[Lane]

Intended by that idiom. It's when they're dead.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So dark. I mean, it's not wrong. Noodles.

[Josh Firestein]

Very metal of you, man.

[Steven Crowder]

Supposed to be a fun show today. Well, anyway, let's talk about be, so.

[Josh Firestein]

Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

Seinfeld spoiler apparently. So, like I said, lots of. Come on. So, like I said, lots of conspiracy theories. Listen, I just want to be. I want to be fair to people who don't always trust. I get it. I understand that. That's fine. Nobody is saying that you should just take the word of everybody out there for this. But we need some evidence to be released. We need some other stuff to kind of put some of these theories to rest. For example, and listen immediately when we saw the footage, immediately in conversations we were having, it said it looked like it hit his shirt first because of the movement. At least a number of us did. Nobody made definitive claims or anything like that, but it kind of Looked like the shirt moved. Then you see kind of a wound. And then we all tried to turn away because the footage that came out after that was incredibly graphic. But the initial footage wasn't because it was a little bit further away. Right. So I understand why people have questions. I get that. But we really have to be careful running down all of the different conspiracy theory trails. In the midst of having questions, I think this is what happens. You end up with, maybe there's a situation where there is a conspiracy. Let's just hypothetically say there's one not related to Charlie Kirk, but something else. But in the interim between the event happening and police and investigators releasing information about what happened, there are so many conspiracies that you have no idea which one is the truth. You basically do yourself a disservice by running down so many lanes, trying to throw theories out that really have no evidence. Right. Enter Candace Owens. She is coming out with another theory because I thought at first she was hinting, if not overtly saying potentially, that the Jews had something to do with this because they were pressuring Charlie Kirk and didn't like the stance that he was taking that there was money involved. And then, why is Netanyahu saying this stuff about Charlie Kirk? He didn't know them. They weren't friends. But now she started with this legitimate concern about public schools and then quickly went off the rails.

[Candace Owens]

There at first was a elementary school shooting that happened at a Catholic school. And I was just concerned in a way that it had. I had never felt so impacted, and I was going, something isn't right. Something is just not right. And I felt that there was some sort of an infiltration that was really.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, it was a school shooting.

[Candace Owens]

I did just a cursory online search and some messages I found which were not written by a teacher at the school, but someone who was adjacent to some teachers at the school.

[Josh Firestein]

Where are they?

[Candace Owens]

Teachers need a concern. In fact, explicitly what it was.

[Josh Firestein]

Bus driver.

[Candace Owens]

Was a Polish underground symbol, like a Polish communist underground symbol that nobody recognized outside of people who know what it meant.

[Josh Firestein]

Is she gonna show us?

[Candace Owens]

Okay. That's weird.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Is what I was asking online.

[Candace Owens]

And strangely, I'm not kidding, and I'm gonna show you these messages. I came across what looked to me like a bunch of people talking about bees.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Candace Owens]

All these people are really actually, quote, unquote, bee farmers.

[Josh Firestein]

Or say, it's called a beekeeper.

[Steven Crowder]

There's a movie about it.

[Candace Owens]

Lingo that I'm not understanding. Why do I feel like it's Related to students. I didn't feel good about it at all. There is some weird underground. Like, I sense like imminent danger is coming. And for some reason I feel like there is an underground that has emerged at schools and it's like related to beast. That's what I said. And I. And I messaged multiple people about this. My sister. Here are a couple of more text messages to other people.

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[Josh Firestein]

Other people. No answers whatsoever.

[Steven Crowder]

No. By the way, she doesn't typically post text messages. Guys. So this is abnormal behavior.

[Josh Firestein]

That's right.

[Candace Owens]

You can look at the timeframe here. This is 8:30, August 30th. I am not someone who normally publicizes text messages. There's imminent danger coming. Okay.

[Josh Firestein]

Nine days prior relating to a school.

[Candace Owens]

I think it's a communist underground and I don't know why, but it has something to do with bees. Totally sensible thing to say to your husband.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

Totally sensible thing to say to your husband. Yeah. If you're crazy. Mary Todd Lincoln.

[Steven Crowder]

Want to go see a play? Listen, I understand that. I don't know how to understand this. I'm sorry.

[Lane]

A Polish underground.

[Steven Crowder]

It was a school shooting and somebody adjacent to someone at the school. I don't know what that means. By the way, was it a crossing guard or is it somebody that lived within five miles? And that's as far as a bee can fly in five minutes.

[Josh Firestein]

It's a lunch lady. She ran out of honey.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. Yes. I don't understand where she's going with all of this.

[Josh Firestein]

Is this.

[Steven Crowder]

This is precisely what I am talking about. Case closed. There it is. That's the kind of stuff that makes you go, how did you get from obviously, a tragedy in a school shooting, they were talking about bees. If somebody adjacent was saying something about this, and then the Polish underground symbol that you don't show anybody, and then receipts that aren't receipts that are just your text messages to somebody else. You could have, like, ravings in the middle of the night texting people. And people respond back like, hey, lay off the Zoloft, or something like that. And you just remove that. And this is receipts. It doesn't make any sense. And. But she went a step further and tried to connect the bees, the Mormons come into the picture and the state of Utah to Charlie's murder.

[Candace Owens]

Charlie lost his life. And a few days later, I was told, and I sensed instantly that there was like a hive of people that were involved.

[Steven Crowder]

A hive. I just knew it.

[Candace Owens]

It wouldn't happen. I just went, oh, my goodness.

[Steven Crowder]

What?

[Candace Owens]

And my gut is telling.

[Lane]

She's dressed like a bee.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, no.

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, my God.

[Candace Owens]

And I have no idea flag person at all who is a flag person. And I was astonished that Utah recently, extraordinarily, you know, did modernized their B.

[Steven Crowder]

Flag, which was always a B flag.

[Candace Owens]

That the Utah state flag is a hexagonal beehive. Right. And I mean, notice to me that pentagram always beehive state. So in 2024, they modernized their flag, but they've always been known as the beehive state. And to be clear, it's not because they make honey. It's not because they have a high presence of bees. In fact, in terms of making honey or be related products, they rank number 24. Oh, it's actually the beehive state. It relates to the Mormon Church, the Church of a Latter Day Saints. Early Mormon pioneers founded that state, and they liked the idea of a beehive working toward a common good. Now, if that sounds vaguely familiar with or communist to you, the idea of worker bees. Yes. That's where it's from.

[Steven Crowder]

It's not.

[Candace Owens]

It's not from there that I had about an underground bees happening. I was just like, totally freaked out.

[Lane]

Timeout.

[Steven Crowder]

Josh. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Josh Firestein]

This bee thing, I think maybe I should take some precautions.

[Steven Crowder]

Hey, I'm probably. What are you dipping the honeycomb in? Is that honey?

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Do you have a honeycomb over there? Josh? Yeah. How did it. Is the bees I always keep that thing on me, dude. Well, listen, it is. It is safe to say that Candace flipped out when she figured out the bee connection. Not the bees. Not the bees. Not the Polish Mormon Communist bees. I didn't know bees could be Mormons. Who knew? Do they have special bee. Listen, Mormons chill out, okay? You think this is funny, too? Go ahead.

[Lane]

I don't know if you guys were paying attention to the signs. She's dressed like a bee.

[Steven Crowder]

She is.

[Lane]

She says Utah's 24th in honey production.

[Steven Crowder]

Right? Right.

[Lane]

24 is one more than 23. Who wore number 23? Michael Jordan. Who starred in the movie Sinners?

[Josh Firestein]

Michael B. Jordan. Oh, my goodness. Goodness.

[Lane]

I think Michael B. Jordan shot the ice facility yesterday.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, no, that's the wrong. No, that's the wrong.

[Josh Firestein]

That's not how these work.

[Steven Crowder]

That's not how that's worked.

[Lane]

Yeah, they can work however I want.

[Josh Firestein]

And the armies be all you can be.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, my.

[Josh Firestein]

No, I can't. I can't.

[Steven Crowder]

You're freaking me out, man. All right, I'm back. I'm back. I got.

[Josh Firestein]

I got over it.

[Steven Crowder]

This is real life, guys. How many views does that have? Somebody tell me. I mean, I think it's in.2 million. Yeah. I think it's in the millions of people.

[Josh Firestein]

Not enough views for us to pay attention to.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, listen, I. University, byu. Wow. Oh, listen, I. There are people. I hope that you guys are out there eating your popcorn, watching this, going, can you believe what she's saying? Like, I hope that's what it is. And not like, see, I told you, honey. I told you it was the bees. You said honey. No, no, I'm part of the conspiracy.

[Josh Firestein]

You know, she had that conversation with her prince husband. She was like, don't you ever call me honey.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, I am queen bee Joe.

[Josh Firestein]

Beyonce is part of this.

[Steven Crowder]

Beyonce must be a part of this. All right, so listen, let's just, you know, maybe come back to reality just a little bit here. Seeing is be leading. Oh, gosh. Can we just be cool, guys? All right. Okay, listen. So the whole Utah thing, Utah's original and new flag feature, the beehive, they just gave it a little bit of a facelift. Do you see the beehive there from 1847? They look a little. You know, that's a nicer. Modern. More modern version. I can't believe they updated their flag. And it's the beehive. It's like. It was.

[Josh Firestein]

It was minimalist. It was a beehive the entire time, but they removed the eagle which means they removed the freedom.

[Steven Crowder]

It's almost global. Oh, my gosh. It is every city. It kind of is. And you hate that, and so do I. So most people do. But Brigham Young chose the name Deseret for modern day Utah. But that means honeybee in the Book of Mormon. So this had nothing to do with the stuff that she's talking about with the whole communism thing, because the beehive represents cooperative work needed to make desert life sustainable. And if you've seen any documentaries or anything about what they were doing there, they were trying to tame very difficult land, and they had to work together to be able to do it. And that's not exclusive to communist either. Communism symbols. It's not at all.

[Josh Firestein]

It's one of the oldest metaphors in history.

[Steven Crowder]

And it doesn't mean, like, communist bees work together. No, we have, like, a somewhat cooperative society. Anyway, listen. The Catholic Church actually revered for their industrious qualities and chastity. I didn't know bees were revered for chastity, but whatever. Victorian England, adopted by Manchester as a city symbol in 1842 and represented the busy bees of a capitalist society. How do you try to contrive. Literally taking from the. One of the most recent movies of the Bee Theory.

[Lane]

The Bee movie?

[Steven Crowder]

No.

[Lane]

Jerry Seinfeld.

[Josh Firestein]

No, I'm just Beekeeper with Jason Statham.

[Lane]

I'm pissed off.

[Steven Crowder]

I just. I want to have a poster behind me that says I want to believe, but Candace and just have a picture of her. And that's, like, the only reason that I can't believe now. I don't know.

[Josh Firestein]

I do like the idea of capitalist bees, though. Like, that's a fun concept.

[Steven Crowder]

They're working hard.

[Josh Firestein]

Like, there's a bee completely that the queen won't, you know, won't give out enough of her honey wealth because he can't pollinate enough.

[Steven Crowder]

You know, there's a pill for that pollination thing. It happens to a lot of bees.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah. There's another guy that comes. Hey, man, get more nectar. Get more. Get more honey, dude.

[Steven Crowder]

It's up to you. Listen, if you like this, and I'm not sure why you would download the Rumble app and follow Steven Crowder for this show. Trust me, we'll get through more of the Candice stuff here. And I meant the candid stuff, not us. Of course you like us. Please like us. Thank you for downloading it. So here, let me just egg for it. Please.

[Josh Firestein]

Please.

[Steven Crowder]

So just to make sure that we're not, you know, like, waiting on a response from the Mormon Church because they've never heard of communism before.

[Josh Firestein]

We have.

[Steven Crowder]

What?

[Josh Firestein]

Oh, no. No update.

[Steven Crowder]

Not yet. Okay. No, we do, actually. We do. We do, actually. We do have a quote from them. I think this is breaking as of 1936. Since communism established would destroy our American constitutional government to support communist is treasonable to our free institutions and no patriotic American citizen may become either a communist or a supporter of communism. To our church members, we say, in case the previous wasn't clear, communism is not the united order and bears only the most superficial resemblance thereto. Communism is based upon intolerance and force, the united order upon love and freedom of conscience and action. Communism involves forceful despoliation and confiscation. The united order, voluntary consecration and sacrifice.

[Lane]

You can have your problems with the Mormons and their swig orders, but you cannot say that the Mormons were fully supportive of communism or really in any way.

[Josh Firestein]

Correct. That's exactly what a communist would.

[Lane]

That's exactly what I think Lenin was actually Mormon.

[Steven Crowder]

Just eat your honeycombs, John.

[Lane]

Okay, yeah, no, John, Vladimir, any of them.

[Steven Crowder]

Does anybody else see how this is a problem? Right. Can we do better? Can we make sure we do better than some of these conspiracy theory crazy things that are going on out there? And listen, look, Candace may be in a place she's hurting because somebody. That was her friend.

[Lane]

Don't say she's in a dark place.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know. I'm not saying she's gonna say.

[Josh Firestein]

No, technically, her husband's in a dark place.

[Steven Crowder]

Listen, I'm not going there. These guys said that. I disavow. I don't disavow anything. It was hilarious. But I understand there's grace. But this is a pattern. This is a pattern of behavior to say some of the most salacious crazy things. Try to tie a few things that seem like facts or seem like connections and so people don't really give it the scrutiny that it deserves. Hey, Candace, if this is true, show your sources, show your facts, show everything. Show everything. I'm not talking. Show your crazy ramblings to somebody on a text message. Show the responses that you get from people. Show evidence, not some contrived story that you're throwing together. And if all you're doing is putting out, you know, like, I'm just asking questions, then say that.

[Josh Firestein]

Great question.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm just waiting for the.

[Lane]

You just got kicked off.

[Steven Crowder]

I did.

[Josh Firestein]

For Candace's 100% pure honey.

[Steven Crowder]

Come on. We're not going to give up the bees. That's a natural self of Christianity, and it's been there. Christ is king, right?

[Lane]

Christ is queen bee.

[Steven Crowder]

Christ is queen. Well, that can't possibly be. That'd be the Virgin Mother.

[Josh Firestein]

Are you filling up your standish with iced tea? Get some of Candace's Pure Honey.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm not sure that there's any good way to do this, but, hey, we've got a reverse Super Chat, everybody. We appreciate it. We don't do the Super Chat thing, but we do like to give back to you. And sometimes we work with sponsors that really want to. To jump in and do that. Pure Talk is one of those. So right now we are giving away 50 free rumble premium subscriptions. Just gifted in the chat thanks to Pure Talk. 100% US customer service team. Veteran led company. Save 50% off your first month. Go to PureTalk.com Crowder and do us a favor, if you were just gifted one of those subs, take a screenshot and tag Steven on X or Instagram. Or you can tag me as well, Morgan Jr. On X and we'll get it over there. But let's listen puretalk.com Crowder It's a fantastic company, has great service, and you've heard Steven talk about this. And I'll just say it. Like, when you're on the phone and you're switching lines, don't. Don't switch from the phone that you're on because they actually have to switch. You can use your own phone. Stephen made that mistake, and he called me immediately and was like, I can't believe it. I have no phone service. And he's like, wait a minute. That was my fault. But he called me from somebody else's phone. So thank you. Pure Talk. I mean, that was a little wordy. I get it. But you know. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

You don't have to address it, though.

[Steven Crowder]

Pure Talk.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, you could just. Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

I think they appreciate me addressing my shortcomings. By the way, is it possible when I get admonished to include other people, or is it just always going to be me? Why are you shaking your head? No, Noodles. Like, you're like, no, it's not possible, bro.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm just reading the room.

[Steven Crowder]

You're reading the chat. You're reading the room. You're reading the chat. You're reading every fan of this show. And it feels like a. I'm being ganged up on. On that. You're a great room reader. Yeah. Nice.

[Josh Firestein]

What's that say about you? Matt is a room reader for sure.

[Steven Crowder]

He's fantastic. All right. So the savant. We actually talked about this. And I completely forgot we were going to talk about the cursed segment. It's the curse segment. Sometimes this happens. We write a segment, something comes up and we have to move things around. Sometimes it's a breaking story. Sometimes it's something else that we've been waiting on or a guest or something. But Jessica Chastain had a project to the series savant that was going to come out on Apple plus and, well, it got put on hold due to a lot of the current events. And that brings us to today's entertainment minute. All right. So as if Apple wasn't already. Well, not Apple. Sorry. I was conflating Disney ABC with Apple. But you hate Apple for other reasons. Let's keep that up. After careful consideration, this from Apple. After careful consideration, we have made the decision to postpone the savant. We appreciate your understanding and look forward to releasing the series at a future date. Have you guys watched any of the Apple. Yeah, they have a lot of really good stuff on there. They have some really good stuff. And they have some kind of weird stuff like severance sucked. And everybody for some reason thought it was okay.

[Lane]

Yeah, I didn't think everybody. Well, actually, you really undersold that. A lot of people said it was one of the best TV shows of all time.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Lane]

So you're just taking your personal opinion that differs widely from the general consensus.

[Steven Crowder]

No, that's not true. That's. The general consensus was not that that was one of the best TV shows of all time. Yes, it was. Fact check that. It's for me.

[Josh Firestein]

Dude, every time you do this. No, every time you. Fact check.

[Steven Crowder]

No, one of us.

[Josh Firestein]

All right.

[Steven Crowder]

Check this, though. What is it?

[Josh Firestein]

That admonish button.

[Steven Crowder]

Ready? That.

[Lane]

It is a common claim people were making.

[Josh Firestein]

They make good shows, though. They have. They do a good job with the directing and the writing and the shooting. And I think the cast, Actors, the casting.

[Steven Crowder]

The casting, the production are fantastic.

[Lane]

I think the Monarch show is really good. The Godzilla one they did.

[Steven Crowder]

Is it. Oh, yeah, I saw that. I like that. It was very, very boring for a number of episodes, but then it got back to being cool. But that. That's part of my problem is sometimes that's. But that's every series. Anyway. Whatever. But just in case you're not familiar with what we're talking about, specifically with the savant, here is a look.

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[Steven Crowder]

The trailer. What you looking at?

[Josh Firestein]

She's working.

[Steven Crowder]

She's working. I thought this was a no work weekend. Mom. She makes some money. Shut up.

[Josh Firestein]

Why does she sit in the back seat?

[Lane]

Because she's a woman.

[Steven Crowder]

She had a driver. Mass attack. Locked and loaded the planet for months.

[Lane]

I bet. This about Islam?

[Steven Crowder]

Must be. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

What are you doing there?

[Steven Crowder]

All day, all night, sometimes.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm grooming your friends. My job is pretending to think like them to stop those people from doing really bad things.

[Steven Crowder]

FBI. On your knees. Oh, it's a white guy.

[Josh Firestein]

That's why we call her the Savon.

[Lane]

That's probably just one of them now.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. They gotta have one. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

Bombings, that's ambushes. We're on the verge of serious violence. I've been watching him for a year and a half.

[Steven Crowder]

He's recruiting for something.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't know what it is, but, oh, four or five, it's massive. Innocent Americans are going to die. Listen to me. They have photos of your family.

[Steven Crowder]

I think if you engage with terrible.

[Josh Firestein]

Things, you're daring even worse things to happen. I'm just happy they're giving white actors.

[Steven Crowder]

Work, you know, the white terrorist is an underrepresented, I guess, vein in movies. The one guy was like, what, Middle Eastern. Generically Middle Eastern.

[Lane]

He looked like he's from some sort of Eastern block. Dagestan.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lane]

So caucus region of Russia.

[Josh Firestein]

One of those white. White Muslims. Why did they postpone it?

[Steven Crowder]

That's a really good question. But the show was inspired by a woman profiled in a 2019 Cosmopolitan article, which is a great way to start a series And Jessica's response to the pause. Chestnut.

[Lane]

9 Ways to Turn on your online terrorist.

[Steven Crowder]

Exactly.

[Josh Firestein]

How to leave a clown in 10 days.

[Steven Crowder]

In the last five years since we've been making the show. It took them five years to make the show.

[Lane]

Is that's the problem with modern tv?

[Steven Crowder]

Is that normal now?

[Lane]

It is. Stranger Things is just on its finale. And it started, like, a decade ago.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah. The kids are 40.

[Steven Crowder]

She adopted a child. She has her own Stranger Things kid. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

Wynonna Ryder has been dead for a while.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. They've just been using her body. All right. In the last five years since we've been making the show, we've seen an unfortunate amount of violence in the United States. The kidnapping attempt on Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. You mean the FBI plot. The January 6th attack on the Capitol. Mean. The peaceful protest, for the most part. The assassination attempts on President Trump. Hey, at least you got one in there. But you seem to run over it really quickly. The political assassinations of Democratic representatives in Minnesota. What side of the aisle were they on? The attack on Speaker Pelosi's husband, Nobody knew that was real. We thought it was just two guys like that were lovers that got into a fight.

[Lane]

Do we still know?

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know. I don't think anybody knows. And that's what was funny. Not the fact that he got hit in the head with a hammer. It was the whole scenario that was there. The assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, the recent shooting at an ABC affiliate station in California, and over 300 school shootings across the country. I've never shied away from difficult subjects. And while I wish this show wasn't so relevant, unfortunately it is. Oh, wow.

[Lane]

It's like, I wish I wasn't so pretty. I wish I wasn't so rich.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, is it relevant because you're saying that you have to stop white people? Is that the goal here? I don't know, but. Well, she does say that, but word is she did make quite the scene at Apple headquarters. It's her against the world. Oh, yeah. I don't know what she wrote, but it did not seem friendly.

[Josh Firestein]

She wrote it backwards.

[Steven Crowder]

It was angry writing.

[Josh Firestein]

They couldn't read it? No.

[Steven Crowder]

What did it say?

[Josh Firestein]

I don't know.

[Lane]

Anyway, do you remember when Homeland came out and it was really good?

[Steven Crowder]

It was phenomenal.

[Lane]

And then they threw a fit because they said we were, you know, vilifying.

[Steven Crowder]

Muslims as terrorists that were actually portraying them as what they were. That's what was going on.

[Lane]

We were in a war on terror.

[Steven Crowder]

Against Muslims who were, you know, they were very balmy back then. There used to be two.

[Lane]

I don't know, for any of our new viewers. Can I just. History lesson. There used to be two very tall buildings in New York. Yes, you can see them in Home Alone.

[Steven Crowder]

What?

[Lane]

Now they're not there because of white people.

[Steven Crowder]

But Tucker has a theory. New series out by him, I guess. Anyway. Join Mug Club is Rumble Premium for the ad. Free experience and exclusive content. $99 annually or 9. 99 in a month. A month. 999amonth, man. It's the only way we stay on air. And sometimes you want that. Maybe not today, but other days you want that. Steven will be back. Sure. He will be back. Thank God. Still be back.

[Josh Firestein]

Stop overselling the show, Jerry. It's the only reason we could pull off. Change my minds.

[Steven Crowder]

It's the only reason I can sit in this chair and we don't lose every advertiser we have. So here's the question you have to ask yourself. Why was a show like this made? Right. They. They want you to think that domestic terror is a purely right wing phenomenon. That's exactly what they want you to believe. That's what this show is showing. I have no problem, by the way, showing white people being a part of this terrorist mix trying to do something to this country. That's not my problem. My problem is when it's almost like you exclusively show white people as that problem that feeds into some of the narrative that's been kind of, I don't know, debunked is a great word for it. But it was people that lied to us in the previous administration saying that that was the greatest threat to Americans was white domestic terrorists. Or basically that MAGA is the greatest threat. Which, you know, we had Joe Biden saying in front of a giant red background. It was bad messaging and it looked really Hitler esque. Okay. By the way, Hitler bad. If anybody just needs to remember that one.

[Josh Firestein]

Okay, so it looked more like the empire.

[Steven Crowder]

It kind of did.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

But which the red. Based on what? Hitler.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't know.

[Steven Crowder]

Hitler bad. Yes, thank you very much and good job, Noodles. So listen, here's the claim that they made the right commits.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, Try to be serious now, Gerald.

[Steven Crowder]

Just toying with me.

[Josh Firestein]

I thought you liked that sound effect.

[Steven Crowder]

I love the sound effect. I was really commenting on your timing. The right commits six times more murderers than the left.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't even want to go left right with this. But you can imagine it wasn't from the left. Cato. Institute conservative think tank published a study just last week that found from terrorists from the right were responsible for six times more deaths than people from the left.

[Steven Crowder]

Here's the truth.

[Josh Firestein]

Bullshit.

[Steven Crowder]

I'm sorry, you may not have heard that.

[Josh Firestein]

Bullshit.

[Steven Crowder]

It's not true. We talked about this, what, a week ago? Talked about some of these studies coming out.

[Lane]

We'll get into it a lot more.

[Steven Crowder]

We're doing a deeper dive because you can go through each one of the names that is listed and they have all the data and information around the attacks and their affiliations. And what's really interesting is that 43% of the deaths that Cato counted from the right were from the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't want this to sound dark. I'm not trying to be funny with this, but they're just making a point that the right does it more effectively.

[Steven Crowder]

I mean, I think Islam wins the gold medal.

[Josh Firestein]

Do they consider them to be right wing?

[Steven Crowder]

No, no, no.

[Lane]

It's its own thing.

[Steven Crowder]

It's its own thing. Yeah. So Islam. Islam is its own thing. They kind of. They break that out. But they want you to think that Timothy McVeigh and company were totally fine with government. They're big conservatives. They're big super good conservative people out there. That is not what they were. To put that on the right is moronic. All religious and incel killings, by the way, are considered right wing because why not? They're just gonna throw them in there. And there were a ton of egregious errors of what is and isn't right wing terrorism. I'll give you a couple of examples here. So the school shooter and incel Solomon Samad Charlie Henderson. Cato said right wing. That was an incel Waukesha parade killer. Darrell Brooks. Do you guys remember that? Well, yeah. Almost nobody else does. You know why they refused to talk about it? Because when it happened, they said a car plowed into a crowd. They didn't say SUV anything about SUV plowed into a crowd. They didn't say anything about what they knew at the time. It turns out it was a black man. Right? So. And it wasn't even listed in the report at all. Not even listed on right or left. Come on. Brooks expressed anti white ideas and drove into a Christmas parade in a white majority town. Flip the roles. Some country white boy expresses anti black ideas and goes into Harlem and starts driving through people at a Christmas parade. And I guarantee you it ends up on the category of the right. Atlanta spa incel shooter Robert Aaron Long. Cato, right Wing religious background.

[Lane]

That's the thing.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Lane]

Because anybody that has a religious background outside of Islam is targeted in to the right. And if they're Islam, they're their own thing. But even if you grant all these premises that they're saying, if they're religious, if they're whatever. Yes, we can say those are more on the right wing. Anti government's more right wing. Whatever. The difference is these ideas, these fringe ideas that may be on the right are all condemned immediately by the mainstream conservative and Republican Party.

[Josh Firestein]

Flip that.

[Lane]

All of these ideologies on the other side, anti ice, pro trans, whatever, they are all celebrated by the mainstream left.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Lane]

That is the key difference here that everyone seems to willingly overlook.

[Steven Crowder]

Was all the BLM stuff put in here.

[Lane]

So this is deaths from terrorism. And there was about 20 to 30, depending on how you count. None of those are going to be listed on the Cato study because there was no convictions. Because it's, that would be the. That's a different. That's the crime one, I guess, because.

[Josh Firestein]

It was social injustice, not terrorism.

[Lane]

Yeah, it's all, it's just, it's a game of definitions.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, look, we're gonna get into that more because right now you're hearing that line parroted by everybody. You're seeing it in Congress when they're doing these hearings. You're seeing it on the news. When a shooting happens like happened yesterday in Dallas, they pivot right back to, well, there's more on the right than there is. Okay, so let's say that it's 1,000 to 1 on the right. Let's say that there are a thousand more historical cases of the last 30 years then left. But in the last several months it's been almost exclusively left. Don't you start to notice a trend and wonder why and go, yes, I know we rewound 30 years and maybe there was some stuff. I don't even grant that. But let's just for the, for the sake of argument that it was back there, don't you look at what is currently happening and what are we doing differently right now? Are we saying stuff differently right now that maybe is pushing people to be more violent from the left towards people on the right or towards institutions like ice? Are we possibly making the environment worse? No, they never have that thought. The thought that they have is it, guys, this is mostly a you problem. Don't look at us right now. I understand people are dying left and right because of, you know, leftist lunatics right now, but really it's your problem. Does that make any sense to anybody else? I don't know. Let me know if I'm a little off base here. All I do know though is that Jessica Chastain's new series is on hold because the show was made to push a narrative that, you know, current events and facts, you know, disprove. So they're gonna have to wait until that narrative comes around. Here's a spoiler alert. It never will. Do us all a favor. Throw a Muslim target in there. Maybe throw a black person in there and a couple of white Muslims and everybody will be fine.

[Lane]

Clear on what you mean by that?

[Steven Crowder]

No, I mean like a person. Sorry, a Muslim terrorist.

[Lane]

There we go. To not have that clipped out of context.

[Steven Crowder]

That's true, actually. I don't care. I don't want the Muslim call to prayer.

[Lane]

I don't want anyone to go kill Muslims.

[Steven Crowder]

No, of course not.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm sorry, can you. Can you keep your finger on that button?

[Steven Crowder]

No. Why? Why? Why? Why? No, no, it's gonna be.

[Josh Firestein]

The thing chimed in.

[Steven Crowder]

It's not the greatest show ever.

[Josh Firestein]

Research has chimed in at 95% by critics, 80% by audience.

[Steven Crowder]

Hold on.

[Josh Firestein]

Show severance tomatoes 2/3 of users out of the 300 and almost 50,000 rated at either a 10 or a 9.

[Steven Crowder]

So that's. That's kind of rough. Severely admonished. Listen, I can't help that the rest of you are wrong. It's not my fault.

[Lane]

What about Supernatural? How many tin star ratings.

[Steven Crowder]

Savant, not savant. Severin sucked.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't think it sucked. It was interesting.

[Steven Crowder]

It was a wrong.

[Josh Firestein]

It was a cool idea. The ending sucked. Wrong ending sucked for sure.

[Steven Crowder]

Anyway, I did stop at episode four, so I really didn't get a chance. What? Wow. Oh God. All of that was based on part. Partial information. My bad.

[Lane]

What a leftist argument.

[Steven Crowder]

It really is, right? Yeah, just. I just read the title and knew that it sucked. Fake and gay. All right. Yeah. Oh, geez. Wow. All right, so yesterday, look, we covered.

[Josh Firestein]

The guy that said that the Patriots sucked when they were losing 28. 3.

[Steven Crowder]

That's a bit of a niche reference, Josh.

[Josh Firestein]

Somebody out there.

[Steven Crowder]

And also, I lost so much money on that game. I bet at halftime. Yesterday we covered the Dallas shooting at the ice facility. And just for those of you who want to Just kind of a quick recap. It killed, I think one is confirmed as of right now. It went back and forth yesterday between one and two, but one was confirmed killed and two confirmed injured. The suspect is 29 year old Joshua Yawn.

[Josh Firestein]

Police say he died by suicide as agents approached him on the roof of that nearby building. Today, investigators were spotted at two homes tied to yon one Fairview in Collin county, the other in Durant, Oklahoma. The full scope of the motive behind the shooting is still unclear, but during a press conference Wednesday morning, authorities say showcasing at the scene gave some insight.

[Steven Crowder]

What I can also share with you.

[Josh Firestein]

Is that early evidence that we've seen from rounds that were found near the suspected shooter contain messages that are anti isolated in nature.

[Steven Crowder]

That came out and the left response was absolutely predictable. But here's what we now know about the alleged shooter. So, and listen, this information is just trying to build a picture of what's going on. None of this that I'm about to say is like definitive, aha, that's the smoke. You know, you have a bunch of evidence at the scene. You have the mom being an anti gun advocate, you have a delinquent sister that was arrested for marijuana possession. And then you have allegations that the shooter had kind of anti Trump views. So at the very least, it's very hard to paint this person as a pro Trump supporter that was targeting people. But that didn't stop people on the left from running out tripping over themselves to spin a narrative that.

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[Steven Crowder]

This was another white Maga Trump supporting shooter that is targeting immigrants. Idiot. In point, Bryan Krassenstein posted this, this. And look, we'll, we'll give You. This one you said. Us, we said is. I know what you mean. This is sick. A white male again, has reportedly opened fire at immigrants at an ICE facility in Dallas, Texas. We have certain. We certainly have a problem in this country. A disgusting problem. But that's not all he said. I didn't know this until today, but he edited out this last part. So he posted this, this, and then he went back and edited. And he said, should we blame Trump for fomenting violence like the left did when Charlie Kirk was shot? I know what he's trying to say there. Again, he sounds a bit like a moron, but he's basically saying, should we blame Trump? No, you're not saying, should we blame Trump. You are trying to place blame on Trump and on Republicans and conservatives and maga. And then Steven's account posted. We were talking about this yesterday. It's almost impressive how consistent, consistently incorrect you are to which Brian issued this challenge. I challenge Crowder to specifically point out what was incorrect about my tweet. It's a post. I'll wait. Seems you're the one who's lying. And that brings us to. You're wrong about everything. Wrong. So I just bring the post back up from Brian. I want people to be able to see this as I talk about it for just a second. The first one. Sorry, where he is talking about this. So he basically said, a white male has reportedly opened fire at immigrants at an ICE facility in Dallas, Texas. What do you think he's trying to convey there? Wait, a white guy on a roof somewhere. He's opening fire at immigrants at a nice facility in Dallas, Texas. He wants you to read a white guy. Read that. A MAGA supporter or a Trump supporter or a Republican or a conservative. A white guy. They're not just saying white for the sake of saying white. A white guy shot brown people, Trump bad. That's what he wants you to read out of that. And of course, we called him out for being incorrect, because what we know is that he is lying by omission. The person shot at an ICE facility and ended up hitting only people there that were in the custody of ice. We've since seen some photos of the bullet holes in that building. It doesn't seem like there was a clear line of sight for him to be able to shoot, at least not completely.

[Lane]

Yeah, that wasn't Bob Lee Swagger plucking people off from 400 meters.

[Steven Crowder]

Not at all. And it doesn't make any sense, by the way. So even if I'm an idiot like Brian, I would say. Oh, okay. Well, I don't. Let. Let's just assume that I don't like. I don't like brown people, okay? They're in my country illegally and they should get. They should get out of here. Right. Well, that's, that's the caricature of all the. The white people sitting on their porch in the country drinking sweet tea. Right. Hanging out with their rifle. Get these people out of my country. Wouldn't it be a better place to go is somewhere, anywhere other than when they're already in custody and potentially being removed from your country? It doesn't make any sense at all for this person to be somebody on the right. So obviously he's lying there. Also, these are not immigrants. When people say immigrants, they're trying to make you think like, oh, this is somebody who came into this country legally. They came in the right way. They're just. They're just like the people who helped us build this country or, you know, somebody's mom and dad who came over from wherever in the world and did it the right way and had become productive American citizens. No, these are people that were here that were being detained by ice. Read what you will into that. What does ICE go and talk to people for? A lot of different things. Yes. What is the main thing being in this country illegally processing people to be removed from this country? I don't know exactly on these three people, so I'm not making that claim.

[Lane]

I wonder if Brian was calling the Cuban immigrant that cut off the hotel owner's head a couple weeks ago in Dallas an immigrant. Was he an immigrant?

[Steven Crowder]

Brian? Maybe he was an immigrant. So Brian is. Brian is trying to lie to you. And according to the dhs, the sniper fired indiscriminately into the facility.

[Josh Firestein]

Now you can, if you're on the left, you can make the argument that. Well, of course, the DHS said that they want. They have their own narrative that it's their building. You can make.

[Steven Crowder]

They're have to prove it.

[Josh Firestein]

Sure. But when you look at what actually happened, they fired upon the building, hit the building and a van. And how many videos have you seen of people trying to stop vans from leaving ICE facilities? Yeah, people trying to. Trying to, you know, banging and on and attacking vans out in the neighborhood. They just fired it. He fired a van. He probably thought, oh, there's ICE agents in there.

[Lane]

I was at that federal building in Los Angeles, and every single time that a vehicle tried to come in or out, the people were attempting to block it.

[Steven Crowder]

Seeing all the Videos. Right.

[Lane]

So why would we think that they wouldn't just continue to escalate their methodology?

[Josh Firestein]

Is that, is there a theory that this guy had a. Had a, you know, an optic on a scope on his gun that was so good he could see through either no windows or really dark tinted windows that are on a van that says ICE on the site?

[Steven Crowder]

Like, none of it makes any sense. But these guys ran out there to do that. And I'm not kidding, Mehdi Hassan may take the cake. All this information came out. Mehdi Hasan was still out there trying to dunk on J.D. vance's comments. J.D. vance was right when he commented on this. We talked about it yesterday. If you didn't see that, go back and watch yesterday. It pisses me off, guys, because people will say, well, hey, can't we just say, you know what? Violence isn't the answer and we need both sides to calm down? No, you can't. You cannot say that. Of course it sounds good and reasonable. And no, violence is not the answer in these cases. But if I'm trying to stop violence, I need to know why violence is occurring. And for me to just go, both sides isn't reasonable. We can't just agree because I don't think we have a willing partner on the other side of somebody right now. Just. Just point me to somebody who doesn't do the. Yeah, but yes, this person looks like they may have been antis, but maybe I shouldn't be so effective at doing their job. But maybe Donald Trump shouldn't say mean things to people. And maybe we should just let all these people come in because we're pro open borders. They always go into something like that and saying, hey, this guy looks like he was anti ice. It looks like he really had it out for these guys. And I can't believe that these Americans that have decided to go and work for ICE to help us do a very valuable job and end human trafficking and drug smuggling over our border. At the very least, no matter how you feel about people, we need to support them. And I'm so sorry that this happened to Dallas and to the people that work at that facility specifically. And I'm so sorry that in this protest, he killed the very people that he was trying to help. At least one of them. How idiotic is this? That's why I'm pissed off about this. Not because I think these are reasonable, I don't know, principled players on the other side in Mehdi Hasan and the Krasnsteins, I just think they're leading A lot of people down a very dangerous road. And they've been doing it for a very long time. And it's been. Don't read violence into this. But it's been consequence free. We have people going down these roads. I mean, they should lose followers. People shouldn't be watching them. People shouldn't be paying any attention to them. I want to point them out. I want to laugh at them, and I want to say how wrong they are. And when they do stuff like this, I want to say how dangerous it is to do it. And then I want people to ignore their very existence. Here's the third thing that we know. He's biracial.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

He's not just a white guy. But when is a biracial person considered white?

[Josh Firestein]

When they do something bad.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Well, okay, so if that's the rule. So when is a biracial person considered the other? Like, not white?

[Josh Firestein]

When they do something good.

[Steven Crowder]

Do we have any examples?

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah, they were. The NFL recently was celebrating. They had the most. Half the league.

[Lane]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

Half the league's starting quarterbacks were black this year, which doesn't bother me, obviously.

[Steven Crowder]

But I don't care.

[Josh Firestein]

It was like half of those guys were also half Something else, usually white. One guy's Asian. I think Kyler Murray's like, half black and half Asian. Speaking of half Asian, half Asian, lawyer Bill stole my breakfast this morning. Now he's half white. Bill, half white.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, it's a pretty good segue, actually.

[Lane]

It's very good.

[Steven Crowder]

I hope you guys understand this. We'll dive deeper into some of those numbers from these shootings because we want to equip you with the right information. Not to just spin a narrative, but to actually get to the bottom of what is going on. Do you have an update for me? Yes, I have an update on this.

[Josh Firestein]

Specifically the shooter. Let me pull this up real quick. I think Noodles got something for us. He was. There's a note. Yeah, they recovered a handwritten note. There's a handwritten note that said. Oh, I'm trying to find it. Hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror. To think, is there a sniper with AP rounds on that roof.

[Steven Crowder]

Wow.

[Josh Firestein]

Hey, Brian.

[Steven Crowder]

Hey, Brian. Brian. What is his name? Medi Hassan Bryant. All the Krasnsteins, angry staffer. Can we do it now? One other. How about now? How about right now? How about do me a favor. Every single person watching this show right now, if you have an X account, go at them with this information. We'll get it up on Steven's account and go hey, have you checked out the information that came out of Steven's account? Have you checked it out yet? Is now the time that you come out and say I was wrong? Is now the time that you come out and admit that you are pushing a narrative only because you didn't want it to be one of your guys, not because it wasn't the most likely scenario. You just didn't want it to be real?

[Josh Firestein]

One other thing, too, which we've been calling. We've been. We've been saying these things like, oh, what do you expect when you have this happening and this happening and that happening and people are tracking. People are tracking ice and stuff. This Post article also said that Dallas county, he was. He was following apps called the Dallas County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management. That's a document. Sorry. And he was following apps that track the presence of ice.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, so, I mean, he did go to an ice facility, but at the same time he could have tried to pick people off in the field.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Unbelievable. Well, listen, we'll come back to this a little bit in Mug Club if we have additional information that comes in or some additional thoughts on this.

[Josh Firestein]

It's crazy to do this.

[Steven Crowder]

A tragedy.

[Josh Firestein]

It's like you hear. You hear with all things going on in the news, that the news is putting on TV themselves and celebrating. And then you hear a shooter fires at ice facility and people go, another pro ice guy.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

I can't believe we have to go.

[Steven Crowder]

Through this every time.

[Josh Firestein]

It's insane. There should be something where the. Where the left goes. Oh, yeah, dude. Hey, guys, stop doing that.

[Lane]

But more than influencers like Mehdi and Krassenstein, we're talking like the Democrats, top politicians.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Lane]

Gavin Newsom.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Lane]

Ilhan Omar, aoc. The people that control the party have called for this.

[Josh Firestein]

It was the night before that that Newsom was on Colbert and said on Colbert this week he doesn't think we're going to have an election in 2028 and we need to act.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

Hey, can we show the note again? The chat's saying the stream froze at that moment. The note up. Can we bring it up and let him know what it.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. So.

[Josh Firestein]

So I don't think we actually see any image of the article.

[Steven Crowder]

Post article quoted. Oh, now it's Nebraska furniture. Mark, I love. I looked up chairs. It's my fault. Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

So handwritten note recovered by investigators said.

[Steven Crowder]

Hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror.

[Josh Firestein]

To think, is there a sniper with AP rounds on that roof?

[Lane]

Yeah, but that can mean anything, really.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

I mean, he could have been. He could have meant Associated Press.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Unbelievable. Listen, man, listen, I'm sorry. This is. This is how we get to a really bad place. You got. You got. Listen, if the guy that was the racist shooter in Buffalo, New York, that had racist stuff all over his gun, we were like, yep, that looks like one of the random white supremacists is out there in the world who did something very evil and condemned it. He does not represent our views. To be clear, he'd be shunned by our side on his views on race. Maybe there's fringe people out there, fine. But that's not the main part of who we are. And we called it out. They can't do that.

[Josh Firestein]

They can't go on TV and say, hey, this guy who shot at the ICE facility does not share our values.

[Steven Crowder]

Really?

[Josh Firestein]

Because you're telling people to go do this exact thing.

[Steven Crowder]

No, they're just not.

[Josh Firestein]

Let's cover it on TV anymore.

[Steven Crowder]

No, I just. I don't. I don't understand. I really don't. I. I get. I don't understand. In a society that is trying to get to the truth, what are they going to do?

[Josh Firestein]

Once a problem, you go, hey, guys, guys, guys, guys. This is not. Express our values. Yes. We want you to try to do everything you can to stop ice, but don't use bullets.

[Steven Crowder]

We never foresaw that. Anyway, like I said, we'll come back to that and talk about it in a minute. But now we're gonna be bringing on half white lawyer Bill Richmond for Hardly Legal. We can get both of you on camera blocking. Nice. Perfect. Perfect. Thank you, Lane the Brain. I know you have to go and do some work. Bill, you are gonna be on Thursday, October 2, at Big Laugh Comedy Club in Fort Worth. You can find all of his stuff on his YouTube channel. Hardly underscore Legal. And Kim Jong Bill on Instagram. That's a throwback. That really is. That's kind of a nice way. How you doing, buddy?

[Josh Firestein]

Forget.

[Steven Crowder]

People are going to get to see Josh there as well. Really? Yeah.

[Josh Firestein]

Do a spot on that show. It'd be fun.

[Steven Crowder]

Josh Firestein.

[Josh Firestein]

I got some great riveting stuff about Wheel of Fortune and Groundhog Day, so.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay. Well, it's going to be incredible. No one is going to be sad about seeing Josh on stage.

[Josh Firestein]

And if he's bad, all they have.

[Steven Crowder]

To do is chant, take him out. And then they will do it. Yeah, Bill will take. He'll tackle him. We don't want to use inflammatory language. Yeah. What in the world's the matter.

[Josh Firestein]

No, no, no, It'll be fine. We would never want to joke around.

[Steven Crowder]

Violence related to somebody because someone might take it serious. Right? Yes. Bill will, you know, throw a Nerf football and hit him, and I'm sure Josh will have a bruise tomorrow. Anyway, so we brought Bill on because we wanted to talk about the former FBI Director James Comey and what is expected potentially to be an indictment that is coming down the pipe really soon. Breaking news, it's out of the Eastern District of Virginia, where three sources familiar tell MSNBC former FBI Director James Comey is expected to be indicted in the coming days. The full extent of the charges being prepared against Comey is unclear. Hmm. Thank you for adding a whole lot of context to that. Everything seems to be unclear. Back to you, Bob. So this is breaking news. I don't know. Breaking news. We don't know anything, but we said it first here. Back to you. So you gotta recall that Trump posted this week on his Truth Social account. I'm sorry, Last week on Truth Social. I'm not gonna do the voice, so just bring up the. Just bring. I just. I'm too embarrassed. Opam. No, I reviewed over 30 statements and post saying that essentially, same old story as last time. All talk, no action, nothing is being done. What about Comey? Adam Shifty Shift. That's totally him. Every time. Leticia question marks, they're all guilty as hell, but nothing is going to be done. So just to set this up for Bill, and then we are going to be going to Rumble Premium here in just a second. If you have not joined Rumble Premium, now is your chance to do it. Click the button and Join Rumble Premium. $99 annually, 9.99amonth. You don't get the mug, but you get a fantastic mug. You get an ad free experience and all the additional content that we do. So sign up for it right now. We thank you so much for all of your support. And again, if you got gifted a subscription from PureTalk, make sure that you take a screenshot of that and post it. Tag us and let us know. So here's what we know about Comey. September 30, 2020. Testified he did not know the source of the Steele dossier and other questionable intelligence related to the Russia collusion hoax and what it was based on.

[Josh Firestein]

Were you aware that in December 2016, the CIA, CIA till.