Toxic Feminism: Crowder Breaks Down Ayesha Curry’s Insane Call Her Daddy Interview

Summary

Podcast Summary: “Toxic Feminism: Crowder Breaks Down Ayesha Curry’s Insane Call Her Daddy Interview”

Podcast: Louder with Crowder
Episode Date: October 11, 2025
Main Theme:
Steven Crowder and the panel dissect Ayesha Curry's appearance on the "Call Her Daddy" podcast, criticizing her attitudes toward marriage, motherhood, and career as emblematic of what they deem "toxic feminism." The hosts argue that Curry's comments reflect larger generational issues with relationship dynamics, women's expectations, and the state of modern marriage.

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Episode Overview

The discussion centers on Ayesha Curry’s viral "Call Her Daddy" interview. Crowder and co-hosts analyze her public airing of marital dissatisfaction and ambition beyond motherhood, arguing it exposes a cultural rift: successful, loyal husbands are depicted as "not enough," and women's fulfillment is set in perpetual conflict with domestic roles. The episode paints these attitudes as harmful not only to individual marriages, but to society at large.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Generational and Gendered Divide in Relationships

• Men’s Expectations Remain Consistent: Men, according to Crowder, haven’t changed much in their basic desires—peace, partnership, nurturing from a spouse.
• Women’s Expectations Escalate: The hosts argue women's expectations have shifted, becoming less focused on family or partnership and more career/fulfillment-driven, to the detriment of stability.
  • "If we don't fix the relationship dynamics in this country generationally... this marriage is very likely doomed to fail because she's telling you that." — Joe, 05:00-06:50

2. Ayesha Curry’s Comments on Marriage & Motherhood

• Reluctance to Traditional Roles: Curry admitted she didn’t want kids or marriage originally, intending to be a "career girl."
  • "I didn’t want kids. I didn’t want to get married." — Ayesha Curry, 06:56-07:13
• Panel’s Response: The hosts express concern over such statements being made publicly, suggesting it’s hurtful to the family and indicative of self-centeredness.
  • "Your kids are going to see this... It's a setup for victim. Poor me again." — Joe, 07:13-08:10

3. Prioritization of Self Over Family

• Curry repeatedly discusses "finding her identity" and "goals for herself" after becoming a mother.
  • "I spent my entire life trying to work towards something, and then it kind of just disappeared..." — Ayesha Curry, 11:12-11:42
• Crowder’s camp strongly opposes this view, asserting that once you’re a parent, "your priority... is finding out that little girl's goals."
  • "You now put the children first. It’s not about you." — Joe, 11:42-12:34

4. Scrutiny, Double Standards, and Victimhood

• Curry discusses media scrutiny and comparisons to her husband, claiming it's harder for wives of famous men.
  • "Men just don’t get as much scrutiny... they can maybe tell him, 'your shots suck tonight,' but... it's not a conversation as much..." — Ayesha Curry, 21:47-22:09
• Panel Rebuttal: The hosts argue Steph Curry faces immense public pressure both on and off the court, and Ayesha’s claim of unique victimhood is misplaced.
  • "He is a walking fishbowl. He is a magnet for criticism." — Joe, 23:11-24:37
  • "There is no group of people on earth ever... who have had a better lifestyle than married women to even middle class, but wealthy men today... yet they complain the most." — Joe, 25:53-26:36

5. Privilege and Ingratitude

• Panel highlights Ayesha Curry’s opportunities—such as her own cooking show—were facilitated by her husband’s fame, not just her own merit.
  • "No, no, it’s true. All random middling women get shows with the Food Network." — Joe, 32:25-32:58
• They contrast this with the reality most women face and the fulfilled "dream" life Ayesha seems to underappreciate.
  • "You're literally complaining about so many people's dream." — Gerald, 21:05-21:08

6. Traditional Role Advocacy

• The show repeatedly returns to advocating traditional marital dynamics:
  • Men are expected to provide and protect, women to nurture and support ("make the house a home").
• Any public criticism of one's spouse, especially from women, is seen as betrayal.
  • "To go out and publicly trash the home that your husband provides... absolutely is" [a violation of the marital covenant]. — Joe, 05:00-05:44

7. Women’s Happiness and Social Impact

• The hosts link individual attitudes like Ayesha's to broader societal ills: declining birthrates, weakened community, and men’s reluctance to marry.
  • "If we don’t solve this, Western civilization is doomed..." — Joe, 61:06-61:37
• They conclude that unless women "change," men will increasingly avoid marriage.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "This is not something, this is not a teammate. This is not someone who you can trust. And I wouldn’t blame Steph Curry if he came home after watching this specific podcast... with divorce papers that moment because the writing is on the wall."
  — Joe, 05:47-06:53

• "When men do it, they’re like, oh my God, you’re so multifaceted. Wow... what is giving you the ick so bad?"
  — Ayesha Curry, 15:10-15:33

• "For her to be the equivalent mother that Steph Curry is, a basketball player, she would have to be up country breakfast for the kids, not a smudge on their face... Steph Curry could come home to pipe and slippers, you know, the way that women used to."
  — Joe, 16:49-17:23

• "There is no group of people on earth ever... who have had a better lifestyle than married women to even middle class, but wealthy men today... yet they complain the most."
  — Joe, 25:53-26:36

• "The reason right now for your existence is to love unconditionally, support, submit to that man, and serve those children before the interests of your own. That is why you exist. That’s why you were put on Earth."
  — Joe, 41:30-41:56

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:53] – Intro to Ayesha Curry's comments on "Call Her Daddy"
• [07:13] – Publicly admitting she didn't want kids/marriage
• [11:12] – Struggles with identity and career as a young mom
• [21:47] – Discussion of media scrutiny and double standards
• [31:37] – Curry describes building her cooking show career; panel debates privilege
• [41:30] – Crowder’s summary on traditional marital obligation
• [47:19] – Panel debates whether Curry is truly unhappy or just publicly disrespectful
• [61:06] – Closing arguments: marriage/divorce rates and societal impact

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Conclusion

The Louder with Crowder team sees Ayesha Curry’s statements as a microcosm of modern relationship issues: prioritization of personal ambition/self-fulfillment over family, public disrespect for husbands, and a culture that, in their view, enables ingratitude among privileged women. The hosts argue for a return to traditional roles, harshly criticizing any deviation and warning of dire social consequences if these trends continue.

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For Listeners Who Haven't Tuned In

This episode is critical, combative, and unapologetically traditionalist in its tone and content. It makes heavy use of sarcasm and pointed humor, but is laser-focused on defending conventional gender norms and attacking what it sees as modern "toxic feminism." The conversation is rich with cultural criticism, pop culture analysis, and pointed advice—both as caution and call to action—for men and women regarding marriage and family.

Transcript

[Joe]

This week in feminism, I had a job and then I didn't show up. No, I don't. Click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or 9.99amonth to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of content creators and free speech subject for. Glad to be with you, Captain Morgan. How are you?

[Josh]

Fantastic.

[Joe]

How are you? Good, Josh.

[Gerald]

Also good.

[Joe]

Saturday, October 18th, I hear you're gonna be at the. The Big Laugh Comedy club in Fort Worth.

[Gerald]

Yes. Big laugh. Little penis. No, it's gonna be good. I wasn't talking about me. Our friend and your lawyer, Bill Richmond's gonna be there.

[Joe]

Oh, okay. He does make quite a few jokes about that. He does, yeah.

[Gerald]

I've seen it, though. It's normal.

[Joe]

He does. All right.

[Gerald]

Yeah, it curves, but y' all are both gay.

[Joe]

Hey, what are you.

[Gerald]

What are you.

[Joe]

Can we admonish Gerald? Because, in fact, Josh and I are not practicing homosexuals.

[Gerald]

We are not practicing.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anymore. There you go.

[Josh]

Okay, fine.

[Joe]

Okay. I'm in a better mood now.

[Gerald]

Yeah, no, I feel good.

[Josh]

Everybody is. That's what. Fine. I'll do what I can.

[Joe]

I'm just. I'm still dealing with, like, you know, after you have a stomach bug, like the dehydration. My lips and stuff just still rung out, which, you know, I'm not going to say anything.

[Josh]

No jokes.

[Joe]

Well, you never do.

[Gerald]

Yeah. By the way, there's a birthday card for Gerald.

[Ayesha Curry]

I signed it.

[Gerald]

I said, all jokes aside, please, Josh Feierstein.

[Joe]

We're going to do a segment on a scrapyard show on Friday. That is Josh's notes versus Gerald's notes, because we saw them on the same. On the same pad. And then. I know, because my notes are kind of both. Where it'll be like a note of. Okay, a time code. It'll be a note of, hey, I miss it, or I need this source. And then it'll be a note of like, oh, idea for seven plus one. Gerald's notes were, like, at 6:34. You know, clip too long, need to bring back marginal income tax, get right numbers. And then Josh's. If Lily Phillips lived too long, she would become Flathead Phillips. Or was it something like that?

[Gerald]

Something like that.

[Joe]

She would become Lily Flathead.

[Gerald]

Lily Flathead.

[Joe]

Yeah. It was something like that. And it was just such a dad joke. It was like this technical jargon.

[Interjector 1]

Screwdriver joke.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Gerald]

Yeah, I did a screwdriver. A sex joke.

[Joe]

It was just because they were like, whose notepad is this? And after. Because it was one page Josh, one page Joe. And so I didn't have a clear answer. I'm like, I don't know if Gerald.

[Josh]

Wrote this.

[Joe]

Also, hey, speaking of answers, it's 20, 25. What do men need to do to be enough? If you ask Steph Curry's wife now, do people ever say Stefan? How does.

[Gerald]

It's Stefan?

[Joe]

I thought, okay.

[Gerald]

People call him Steph, though.

[Joe]

Her answer would be, there's nothing, there's nothing you can do. It's never enough. And this is something. It's kind of been making the rounds. But all of us were very disturbed watching this. And I know this will seem mean, a bunch of white guys, you know, guilty as charged. But if we don't fix the relationship dynamics in this country generationally. And you're seeing more of a divide politically, Gen Z men breaking pretty hard for that demographic at that point in time, right? They're more right leaning than any other generation in the ages between 18, I think it's 18 to 25. So boomers weren't as conservative as that during that period of their life. Gen X millennials. But you're still seeing Gen Z women breaking more left. My left, your right. That divide is. And it's also indicative of the expectations, and I've argued this, that the expectations from men as to what they really want are largely the same across those generations. Now, they may not be able to say it because they've been browbeaten, but the truth is they want a woman who creates peace, who creates a safe haven that they come home to, who's a partner, a supporter, and, and they're happy to provide and protect, but that's what they want. They don't care about your career, they don't care about your degree, they don't care about your membership, dementia. None of these things really matter. They want someone who is going to be a nurturer, a mother. And I know not all. Not all. Not all. Some guys want horrors. And we're not talking about them because we're talking about here, Steph Curry, someone who seems to be a supremely decent man who, who's wildly successful, the best in his field by all information we have available to us, including from his wife seems to be loyal and good to his family. And this woman is not only still miserable, but I will go this far. If the Protestant pinterest Christian moms out there say that a man looking at pictures of naked ladies, by the way, anti porn, you can go back to videos in 2013, 2014, where I talked about it. I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but if the trend is to say that's a violation of your marital covenant, going out and publicly trashing the home that your husband provides. Absolutely is.

[Gerald]

Or the lifestyle that he provides.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And by the way, in many ways, impugning his character.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Joe]

This is not something, this is not a teammate. This is not someone who you can trust. And I wouldn't blame Steph Curry if he came home after watching this specific podcast. But she's made the rounds with divorce papers that moment because the writing is on the wall. And I want to handle this delicately because I know that Steph Curry seems to be a stand up guy and he's gonna want to stand up for his wife. What she's doing is indefensible and she's putting him in a position that is indefensible. So Steph Curry's wife went on the Call Her Daddy podcast and we have a lot of clips here. You can comment below if you've seen it, what your thoughts are. But we're going to go through it and kind of, kind of parse through everything, everything wrong. And how it's actually sort of, it's indicative of how a lot of people think this marriage is very likely doomed to fail because she's telling you that. Here is Ayesha Curry, wife to multimillionaire, loyal Christian family man.

[Interjector 2]

Unhappy Ayesha Curry. Welcome to Call Her Daddy.

[Ayesha Curry]

Thank you for having me. I'm just grateful. I'm excited, hoping I don't get in trouble for the things that I say. So I, I didn't want kids. I, I didn't want to get married.

[Joe]

That's awful to say publicly. Your kids are going to see this. And I get that. You can say by enclosures like, we didn't plan on it or I didn't know if I wanted to be a mom. And it's a tremendous blessing. Also, the very first statement, I hope that I don't get in trouble. That's very different because I know that I've gone on Joseph and I've said, I'll probably catch some flak for this. There's a big difference between acceptance for taking a stance and hoping that nobody blames you. Trying to sort of create this immunity from accountability right off the bat. Well, why do you hope you don't get in trouble? Why would you get in trouble? It's okay to get in trouble if you're saying something, you know, which actually represents your convictions right away. This is a setup for victim. Poor me again. Yes, she is with a man who's worth hundreds of millions of dollars and can do whatever she wants, but never wanted kids. We're off to a nice start.

[Ayesha Curry]

I thought I was gonna be career girl and that's it.

[Interjector 2]

Was he the basketball guy in high school or no?

[Ayesha Curry]

Apparently he was, but I genuinely didn't pay attention to that. Cause I grew up in such an arts driven family that sports, outside of like Doug Flutie playing for the Buffalo Bills, it just wasn't a thing. And then not coming from that sports background and understanding how rare the opportunity he had was, I was like, yeah, stay in school.

[Joe]

You know, I've said before in the past, like, you don't have to even share the same interests with the person you're with. You just have to care that they're interested in it. I didn't know about sports. Well, you're with a man who. It's kind of his life. How could you possibly be a good wife, girlfriend, supporter? She was like, I don't know anything about that. You should.

[Interjector 1]

She ever watch a game?

[Gerald]

Well, I think she does now. To be fair. I think she does now. I think what she's saying is when she was a, you know, young woman, I think they might.

[Interjector 1]

Before he was famous. She ever watch a game?

[Josh]

Tim's like, find the qualifier. Here you go.

[Joe]

Yeah, also, also, I. Anyway, we have clips to get. This is just a setup, by the way. Right now the video has three times the number of downvotes as upvotes. And no doubt there's plenty more to dislike later.

[Gerald]

Yes, that might be the point for me, but there's plenty more.

[Josh]

One of the recurring. Just one point that she did bring up that I want to make sure just to highlight it. I didn't want kids. I didn't want to get married. I thought I was going to be a career woman. And that's it. That's going to resurface that formula right now is part of the problem.

[Joe]

Yeah, I know. Oh, let me guess. And I don't. Because I just kind of watched this and said. And I said, let's just watch it and go. Some point she talks about. And I don't know if people know, like if it's for me or if they say it's because of my. If I only got that job because of my husband. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, listen, you want to, you want to do it your way, teenager and just become a career woman. Let's just, let's just set the stage here. If you did it alone your way. How long before you could afford what you are currently wearing on your person? Go a ring and a ring and a ring and a necklace and a bracelet, and I'm guessing designer clothes and expensive makeup after college and internship, working for years. And even then, it would wipe out all of your savings. So right away we see the lack of gratitude. But.

[Gerald]

And there's a big difference between men and women in that. In that way where she says, I thought it was gonna be a career woman, and that's it.

[Joe]

I don't.

[Gerald]

I've never heard a man say, I want to be a career man. And that's it.

[Joe]

Yeah, we just.

[Gerald]

We recognize our career as a necessity.

[Joe]

Exactly.

[Gerald]

That's like a given. That's not like a thing that we're like, we want to be a career man. I'm going to focus on my. It's like, no, I need to have a career so I can have what I want, which is a family.

[Joe]

Well, here, let's go to this first clip. You're about to see why there's three times the down votes, and no doubt Mrs. Daddy will say it's due to sexism. Aisha herself and Alex talk about the struggle of being a mom and wanting a career.

[Ayesha Curry]

I spent my entire life, like, trying to work towards something, and then it kind of just disappeared. And I didn't think twice about it. But after my daughter turned one, I remember there being a shift and being like, I have goals for myself. Like, this doesn't feel right. I love being a mom, but I love doing other things too, and I need to get my together and figure out what that looks like for myself.

[Joe]

Pause. Yeah. I'll tell you, you do need to get your shit together. And I'll tell you what it looks like. Finding out that little girl's goals, that's now your priority. Just like your man is esteeming you first, you now put the children first. It's not about you. When the kids are up and they're out of the house, sure, you can go back. We used to do this differently where women used to have children during their fertile years, and then they would go and work when the kids were out of the house. It was sort of a natural transition. Now it's like, oh, I gotta decide between this and this. Hold on a second. We've heard for so long, so long, that being a mom is the hardest job in the world. That's not true. It's a very important job. It's a very important job. I wouldn't say it's the hardest job in the world. It's difficult. Not the hardest in the world. I've seen Alaskan ice truckers.

[Gerald]

Yeah, it is difficult.

[Joe]

It is difficult.

[Gerald]

I don't take anything away from that.

[Joe]

I will take it away from women. It's difficult. It's not the hardest. No. But if it is, and we agree, an important job, then treat it like a job, not something that is in diametric opposition to the job you really want. And by the way, that's a luxury of a woman married to a man with hundreds of millions of dollars. Because most women don't get to work the job they really, really, really want. And they would love to be able to be home and love on that miracle of life that you created. But let's continue. Like, we're not all going to get irritated.

[Ayesha Curry]

For myself now, what was the hardest.

[Interjector 2]

Part of being a young mom?

[Ayesha Curry]

I think my identity. So what a privilege because I had. That's the biggest struggle, entrepreneurial spirit. Not being able to call the shots all the time for myself was freaking weird.

[Interjector 2]

Women can experience this.

[Joe]

Like, oh, so you think that at an internship or entry level job, which is where you would be, if not married to Steph Curry, you'd be calling the shots in the office place. Bet you'd be getting coffees. Continue.

[Gerald]

I think, I think her career driven. I think she wanted to be an actor. I think it was. I'm not. She's an arts family. I might be getting that wrong, but I believe. I believe. Yeah. She's not writing the words and she's not directing it.

[Joe]

All right.

[Gerald]

It's also very hard to make it.

[Joe]

I feel like maybe my intensity doesn't. You'll see why.

[Interjector 2]

Bomb guilt of, like, if I have a career and I'm not home, like, did you experience that?

[Ayesha Curry]

I still experience that. I still experience that. I'm almost like, I'm always in therapy talking about this. Like, for me being married and like with my husband, if you lose all of those things that were interesting about you vagina, even for yourself, like, even the things that made me feel confident and cool, then what? Like, what are you doing?

[Interjector 2]

You don't have to be as women. We're always.

[Joe]

So she met Steph Curry when she was a teenager?

[Josh]

Yes.

[Joe]

What things that made you supremely interesting to other adults. You know, these qualities that you had when you were 19, did you lose what qualities could have possibly existed? I'm assuming you were pretty and you were hopefully nice, probably funny, charismatic in some way. And that's why I chose you, you can maintain those things.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Hopefully you've gone over this with your very expensive therapist told like, or at.

[Interjector 2]

Least it feels like people just try to have us be one dimensional and you can do more. Not that it's easy.

[Ayesha Curry]

No.

[Interjector 2]

But it's an option.

[Ayesha Curry]

It's an option. Like I say all the time, must.

[Joe]

Be nice to have an option.

[Ayesha Curry]

When men do it, they're like, oh my God, you're so multifaceted. Wow.

[Interjector 2]

So talented.

[Ayesha Curry]

What a renaissance man. And I'm like, what? Why can't women do the same thing? Like, what is giving you the ick so bad?

[Gerald]

You could be an 11 time all star.

[Ayesha Curry]

I can't.

[Gerald]

And do other things too.

[Ayesha Curry]

Separate things. Be good at them. Or at least try to.

[Interjector 2]

Like what?

[Ayesha Curry]

Like what is the problem?

[Interjector 2]

It is really frustrating. And then thankfully I feel like, oh.

[Joe]

Sorry, it's only a little bit left to clip. Play it.

[Interjector 1]

Yeah.

[Interjector 2]

There's just been an uptick of people being like, you know what, I don't care anymore. I'm just going to do it. Even if it pisses all of you off so much and it makes you uncomfortable to see a woman succeeding.

[Gerald]

What?

[Interjector 2]

Deal with that on your own side. Because I'm gonna keep pushing.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, just replace all the people getting pissed off with children being sad.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Joe]

Because their mom's not home. First off. Yeah. I don't think you under. The reason that someone like Steph Curry is not as multifaceted is because the intensity that is required to be one of the best at something, anything, one of the best ever at anything, is something that this person couldn't comprehend because she needs therapy because she only has a couple hundred million dollars in the bank and can't do a part time job.

[Gerald]

Mom.

[Josh]

Guilty.

[Gerald]

She's also talking about how she says, you know, it's not fair that whenever men do something multifaceted, they're viewed as some kind of hero. But not for her. And it's like, well, what is the thing that equates to what he does exceptionally right that you do right? Is it mothering right? Because that's what it implies. It implies. She's implying that, well, I do other things too. I'm not just an 11 time All Star mother.

[Joe]

Right. For her to be the equivalent mother that Steph Curry is, a basketball player, she would have to be up country breakfast for the kids, not a smudge on their face. Homeschooling, every activity booked to the letter, carting them to and fro, coming back, taking care of the housework. Hot supper. And so Steph Curry could come home to pipe and slippers, you know, the way that women used to. And I know you'll say Chauvin is sexist. I'm just saying for her to be the equivalent of an excellent mother. Or do you bet the best. Do you bet that she has maids? And do you bet that she has.

[Josh]

All the help in the world?

[Joe]

A Roomba.

[Gerald]

Options. She called it options.

[Joe]

Options.

[Gerald]

You have options. And like you said, what a privilege to have options.

[Joe]

How many options do you think Steph Curry has when he has the runs but it's the playoffs? How many options do you think he has?

[Gerald]

Modium AD Yeah, exactly.

[Josh]

It's one.

[Joe]

Who's.

[Josh]

Whose accolades are you going for? You're playing for an audience of one. It's your family.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, you're performing for them. When you have children, your children aren't gonna go, you know, 30 years from now when they haven't seen you, because you're out there being a boss babe and going to therapy to make sure that you don't feel guilty about the fact that you're abandoning them and you had a choice not to. They're not gonna go. Man, I'm really glad mom went and was a career woman, especially as man.

[Joe]

I wish.

[Josh]

I wish I got to spend more time with my mom. And they prioritized me when they had.

[Joe]

The choice to do it. Yeah.

[Josh]

And didn't.

[Gerald]

Especially as somebody who.

[Joe]

Who.

[Gerald]

Who says she comes from an artsy family.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Gerald]

And. And says, oh, I get. Well, look at people like J.K. rowling.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

That lady got famous because she wrote amazing books.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

For her kids.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Right. Like, why don't you.

[Gerald]

Like you said, audience of one. Why don't you put together something for your kids.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

And find something there, and then no one's stopping you from following the arts.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Well, you have kids, you're a multimillion. You have more opportunity to do. You can go to the best. You can go get the best headshots. You can go get the best acting classes. You can do whatever you want. Hire the maids, hire the butlers.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, it's. This needs. It's really this simple. And, yes, there is a biological component for the same reason that women go, like, why can't I be older and get younger women? Because men don't have a biological window. That's a fact. And there's a reason that, you know, Special Forces, for example, or people in the very specialized military units are mostly men, because men are very good at singular Tasks that require incredible intensity and focus. Right. It's the fight or flight response. You can just talk about it through the terms of biological evolution to deal with threats. It's hunter out there versus gathering versus taking care of a village. Collectively, we're designed differently. And so, yeah, you are expected. You are expected for that to be your primary focus, because only you can do it. And it needs to start off with what's best for these children. If you start off with anything else, you are not being a good mother. Yes. Noodles.

[Interjector 3]

I was just gonna say, in looking at what Josh was referencing. Yeah, she had done some acting gigs, but she was pursuing a culinary career. So it's not that she didn't want to cook. It's that she wasn't satisfied cooking for her family.

[Gerald]

What an opportunity. You have oak, dude, I. So many people I watch, I'm obsessed with these cooking competition shows.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Like MasterChef, next level chef.

[Joe]

Right.

[Gerald]

I'm obsessed with them. And so many people on there are at. They're called home cooks. Their moms.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

So many of them are moms or their. Or their dads who have jobs. And they. This is their passion. And they would kill. They would kill to have a million dollars in the bank and the opportunity to stay home all day, be with their kids all day and just cook.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Mastering their craft at home, coming up, writing recipe books, getting your kids involved, teaching your kids how to cook.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

You have two little hungry monsters who are growing and need all the food they can get. You can test all your food on them.

[Joe]

You let them. You let them swirl the mixing spoon. And they think she has the two best skill sets for being a mom. Cooking and acting. Acting like she's interested in whatever 3 year olds care about. Oh, wow. Want to bake some cookies? You're the best mom ever. Enjoy it.

[Gerald]

You're literally complaining about so many people's dream.

[Joe]

I know.

[Gerald]

I love cooking, dude. I wish I could open a food truck or a little restaurant, but I can't because I'm like, I can't take that risk.

[Joe]

Right.

[Gerald]

Provide for my family. It's going to be. It's an extremely hard business to work in, and I can't. I can't just quit everything, go to culinary school.

[Joe]

Plus your license is suspended.

[Gerald]

My food handler's license did get suspended four times, but that was in different states and not Texas.

[Joe]

So let's go up to the next clip, because at least here's one thing that we know. We know that she understands. And Steph Curry is very Shielded, unlike Aisha here from scrutiny. He doesn't have to deal with that. So he doesn't know what it's like to deal with the scrutiny of the wife.

[Interjector 2]

It's so hard also to be the woman in a situation where you're like, men just don't get as much scrutiny. Like, they can maybe tell him, like, your shots suck tonight. But, like, the look and all of that is just like, not a conversation as much. Did you talk to Steph about it?

[Ayesha Curry]

He's so gracious. Like, he tries to resonate with me, but he just can't, I think, because he's like, known for shooting threes. People will say something all the time. Like, oh, he shoots threes on and off the court. And I'm like, come on.

[Joe]

Well, first of all, that's funny, actually.

[Interjector 2]

Three plus, like a million. Like, you are, like, so stunning and gorgeous.

[Ayesha Curry]

Like, I. I don't need to say.

[Interjector 2]

That to you, but I have to say it because it's also like, the people that are writing it are you.

[Joe]

You look like Janice from the Muppets.

[Interjector 2]

But also I feel like it's fun. Funny to see any athlete's wife. Everyone just first goes for their looks and they compare.

[Ayesha Curry]

It's strange.

[Josh]

Crazy.

[Ayesha Curry]

Shut up, silly woman.

[Interjector 2]

That online conversation is so tired. People, like, immediately just judging a wife of, like, a man that is well known and famous. Doesn't have to be sports. It can be entertainment, actors, whatever it be. It's always at the looks and it's like, aren't we tired just a little bit?

[Joe]

Well, a couple of things here. The reason they go after looks is because it's the only thing that you bring to the table. No one knows anything else outside of the fact that you inserted yourself publicly with a bunch of selfies. And that's, by the way, par for the course for a wants to be actress slash influencer. But think about this for a second. Like, someone might say your shot sucks, but they don't know what it's like to get looks. You ever heard of a stare down in sports? Like, do you know what a face off is? Not only does this guy have cocky ball players probably telling them, by the way, I just nailed your bitch. Like, I nailed your three pointer. Rejected, whatever guarantee. They're some of the most horrible things you could possibly imagine on the court and giving him looks and giving him looks, but this one's like, they just. But men. My husband in All Star doesn't know what it's like to get the scrutiny of bad looks. Hey, hey, Maybe just take the lens off of yourself for a second and maybe think, in this, I genuinely mean, as sympathetically as I can, that that guy probably gets a whole lot more than looks, is beat up from the world. When he comes back, he is a walking fishbowl. He is a magnet for criticism. He can't make any mistake because his opponents in the media are waiting for it. And when he comes home, probably needs someone who's understanding instead of someone who's willing to tell him that he doesn't know how hard it's been to have the maids in the house give you a little lip.

[Gerald]

Not to mention every time somebody says, oh, something silly is like, oh, you shoot three on the court and off the court. You don't think that hurts his feelings, right? I mean, he gets over it.

[Joe]

It really got me.

[Gerald]

Fine. But it's like it hurts his feelings. Basketball players probably get the most trash talk to them than any other sport by far, maybe besides hockey, because of the same reason they're on the court and fans are on the court, like, literally, they're sitting right next to them or right behind them. They're in spitting distances. Players have been spit on. They've had things thrown at them. They've had. They. It's all that the fights occur.

[Joe]

Ron Artest went up into the stands.

[Gerald]

Well, he went in. It was on him. What a great fight that was.

[Joe]

He hit the wrong guy, though.

[Gerald]

But, yeah, he's had.

[Joe]

He's.

[Interjector 1]

He's.

[Gerald]

He's lost either one or two NBA Finals championships, I think.

[Joe]

Scrutiny.

[Gerald]

Nationally. Nationally broadcast failure.

[Joe]

Right?

[Gerald]

Where did he go wrong? Where did Steph Curry fail? Draymond Green, all these other people. Yeah, there's other players, too. But where did. Oh, look at Steph. Missed this three pointer. That could have tied the game.

[Interjector 3]

His job and your lifestyle depend on that.

[Joe]

Yeah, but Page Six said my eyes look puffy.

[Josh]

No, and I get it.

[Gerald]

I get her scrutiny, by the way. I get. I get her being upset about the scrutiny it now, but I get it. It sucks.

[Joe]

We're doing it because she put herself on a podcast.

[Gerald]

I know.

[Joe]

That's the thing. It's like these women. Steph Curry accepts that he's a professional athlete, right? It sucks, but he accepts it. She decided to go out on a podcast to build her brand in whatever capacity. It will then claim victim status. That's one thing that is unique to women of today. And I mean this. There is no group of people on earth ever, ever in the history of mankind who have had a better lifestyle than Married women to even middle class, but wealthy men today who are able to stay home. There's no group that has had a better lifestyle than this demographic of people, yet they complain the most. And again, this is a betrayal to go out.

[Gerald]

That's the point is that, yes, you get scrutiny and it does suck. I get it. We all have our problems. That sucks. And I feel bad for you, but you can't come out here and say that. He doesn't understand the scrutiny that I go through. He doesn't. He can't even compare. He tries so hard complimenting him how sweet he is and how hard he tries to. But he can't come. He can't come close to the street in the eye yet. And I'm sure he's super secure and doesn't care about this at all, but I would.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

And I know that there's. There's other women that watch this and they get empowered by that. They go, oh, wow, look, the. The. The wife of the superstar also feels this way. You know what? I can feel this way.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Gerald]

It is harder for me than him.

[Joe]

You ever hear the term supporting role? Supporting cast? You're a supporting actress and people don't like this. This is a conversation that people like Steph Curry or people who manage companies or CEOs. Again, if the agreement is okay, we're going to be a single income household. Because people say you have main character complex. They'll say that to someone who's like someone was. Imagine someone that's saying that to Winston Churchill. You have main character complex. You think that it's incumbent upon you to fight Hitler. Shut up, yo, bitch. Like, seriously? Yes. You are a supporting actress. You cannot do what he does. You can never come close. Other people in the league who've done nothing but what he does for their entire life even come close. You can find great purpose in supporting him and supporting the family that protects him. I know we don't like it because like, that seems subservient. Yes. Oh, that serving servant's heart. I believe this is a Christian family. By the way. Quick counterpoint in not understanding scrutiny. Here's Steph reading his pre draft scouting report.

[Steph Curry (voice clip)]

Far below NBA standard in regard to explosiveness and athleticism. And six' two, he's extremely small for the NBA shooter, but he's reading.

[Joe]

He's not even getting a look.

[Steph Curry (voice clip)]

Could keep him from being much of a defender at the next level. Struggles defensively, getting around screens. Can overshoot and rush into shots from time to time. Needs to add some muscle to his upper body, but appears as though he'll always be skinny.

[Joe]

Oh, my God. Oh, God.

[Steph Curry (voice clip)]

I just like to say I appreciate all the motivation and inspiration to do everything this paper said I couldn't do.

[Joe]

And since then, he's earned over a billion dollars. So nobody on Aisha, but can you imagine if someone went to. If Aisha just had to read, like, and they said that she was nowhere near attractive enough to be a model and that she could lose a few pounds around the waist, but she'll still never have the right figure to be desirable. Like, if she had to the same kind of criticism, she have a nervous breakdown. And I mean, this. And they'll go, this seems like if a man gets mad, they go, seems like sensitive masculinity. No, look, here's the thing. We don't need to have. We don't need to have this segment. Women act like this and die alone. Okay, we're done here. Or if we want to improve it, only women can start correcting the issues in their ranks. And men avoid someone like this.

[Josh]

Yes, please do that. Here's. Let's put them on equal playing field. You know what? Steph Curry gets still forward to the minute he can't do it anymore, they move on like he never existed.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Josh]

So if we want that to be the same, the minute that you are no longer as attractive as you were or as good at being a wife as you were, when they've. He moves on to somebody else, that is. That's what his career is. That is what he's looking down the barrel of right now.

[Joe]

And here's the one thing that she can provide that she's not. The one thing, Ayesha Curry, that only you can provide on earth to that man. It's very, very important. What Jill just touched on. There's one thing that only you can provide because no one else will. That is unconditional love, which he's never experienced. He's a commodity. Men are used to the love for them being conditional, especially if you're a performer. And that could mean in business, that could mean in sports, that could mean entertainment. It could mean in construction, they are loved as long as they are useful. You could set the stage to ensure that he knows you will love him. The man, the man far beyond his utility as Curry. The brand, the player. Cause I guarantee you that's in the back of his mind. I guarantee you it doesn't instill confidence to see you going out there publicly using the platform to trash him and say, geez, it's so hard. You don't get all the things that you want, even though you actually do.

[Gerald]

Yeah, he's a few missed shots away from being called washed up.

[Joe]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Gerald]

And I hope no one ever says that about her. Yeah, it's a terrible thing to hear and feel, but knowing you were good at something for a long time helps it a lot.

[Joe]

Yep. The broad's all washed up. What movie was that from? I don't remember. Maybe I made it up. All right, here she is complaining about how hard it was for her going into business because she's an entre. She's like an entrepreneur.

[Ayesha Curry]

How does it feel to be said person's wife and also work? And I'm like, what? I've cooked for my family since I was 11 years old. The station that broadcasts the warriors games at the time, they reached out and they were like, hey, we really like your videos. Like, what if we gave you a 30 minute slot before every game locally and we did a cooking segment? And I was like, yeah. And so that was like my first TV cooking direct to camera. And then from there it grew to the book. I had this robust, like, food television career very quickly. That happened pretty organically.

[Interjector 2]

What has been.

[Joe]

Pause. Yes. No, no, it's true. All random middling women get shows with the Food Network. See the ingratitude, see the. It's like, well, then. And then. And then they go on to like. And people just always wonder, like, if it's. Is it only because of who? Your husband. Yes. Don't even finish that phrase. Yes, that's exactly why. That's exactly why I was told earlier.

[Gerald]

In the interview that when she married Steph, she lost everything that was interesting about her.

[Joe]

Yeah. And that she couldn't work.

[Gerald]

I thought. Yeah. That she. She couldn't chase her dream of being on TV for food.

[Joe]

Also, by the way, again, let's say you're not his wife and a local affiliate offers you, like, a 20 minute cooking segment in whatever Charleston. How much do you think that pays again? How much are you wearing on your person right now? It's disconnected from reality, but it doesn't require wealth for that to be the case. There are plenty of women like this out there married to foremen who are working their asses off and coming home and doing everything they can to people who are totally ungrateful, who are waiting for that man to walk in the door and tell them about their plight. And I'm telling you, it doesn't work. It can't work. But let's Finish the clip with Janice the daddy.

[Interjector 2]

Do you think the hardest situation that you've had to navigate as a female business owner?

[Ayesha Curry]

The hardest. There's two. The first holocaust was hearing the nose as a woman in food. And so getting people to see me and realize that I, I had talent outside of what people were assuming, I think has been really difficult. People can't see past, like, the surface one sheet.

[Interjector 2]

Yep. Or you know what? They don't want to.

[Ayesha Curry]

They don't want to. They don't want to.

[Joe]

Correct.

[Interjector 2]

Which sucks.

[Ayesha Curry]

It sucks so bad.

[Joe]

Yeah. You know, it sucks even more. It sucks for the viewer if there's no hook for them to watch you. So the fact that you're famous, hey, maybe you are talented. Great. You also got the job because of your husband. Hey, thank you. There you go.

[Gerald]

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt. I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and say she is extremely talented. She's a great chef. She's got great personality, great charisma, great for tv. Everyone gets told no, right?

[Josh]

You gotta get.

[Gerald]

Oh, my God. So many people get told no. As a comedian.

[Josh]

That's true. It does happen. Dude, I need to.

[Joe]

I know you have to go to the bathroom and just.

[Josh]

Can I. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Come right back. And the other thing too, she went on to. It wasn't that clip. She says, hearing the no. And it said. And hearing the no, like, you're too young, and you're too young as a woman. What does being a woman have to do with anything? By the way, the only reason you were told yes is because you're the wife of a star player.

[Interjector 1]

She skipped the line.

[Joe]

Just own it, you know, like, yes.

[Gerald]

She never had to. She never got yelled at by Gordon Ramsay for making a souffle ride.

[Joe]

Wrong. Yeah, exactly. You call this chitlets? Whatever it is.

[Gerald]

Souffle. More like soup. I don't know.

[Joe]

I don't know what biracial people cook. I'm sure it's great.

[Interjector 1]

She skipped right to a show on network television.

[Joe]

Yeah, exactly. Like, the hardest part is hearing the no.

[Gerald]

How many women do you think were sitting there watching, going, yeah, yeah, I. I've been a chef at a two star in a two star kitchen for three years.

[Joe]

Right? Yeah. Hey, I don't know if you know this, but as both an actor and comedian, like, I heard no, and you're fired. By the time I was 13, but I would go into the first couple of times as a little kid, like, I'd go home and like, cry like, they were like, nope, nope. You're not right. I mean, I auditioned for a role on the show Are youe Afraid of the Dark and Only Dawn. I mean, during the audition, my character's name was like, Andy Wang, Telling the tale of a misfortune fucking cookie. I'm like, oh, that's why everyone was Chinese in the waiting room. And I realized that I was just brought in as a token. That didn't feel good. But most of the industry, in any industry, where there are very few spots available is no.

[Gerald]

I think what she meant was, you know how bad it feels to get told no. And I'm like, I'm Steph Curry's wife. You're gonna tell me no? Cause there's something about being a nobody and getting told no where you accept it.

[Joe]

You're like, yeah.

[Gerald]

You realize it. You kind of get depressed about it. As comedians who know this more than anybody, you. No. All right, well, I wasn't ready. No. I guess I wasn't funny enough tonight, right? I didn't win the competition because that guy really killed. Yeah, man. I really. I did have bad sets. Yeah, that's not what that was. That was. I can't believe they told me no. Yeah, that sucks.

[Joe]

You expect.

[Gerald]

No, I'm somebody.

[Joe]

Yeah, well, you. You. Okay. I don't know if you're still role playing, but you're somebody.

[Gerald]

No, I'm not. No.

[Joe]

I'm role playing.

[Gerald]

I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I can't believe you told Steph Curry's wife no.

[Joe]

No. Because you, Josh Firestone, you have a lot of good quality.

[Gerald]

I would. Hey, look, Steph, I'll be your wife, okay?

[Joe]

But I will say, nice tits. Like, yeah, exactly.

[Gerald]

I don't know.

[Joe]

I walked. I'm like, yeah, of course I'm not gonna get this role. I thought it was weird. I was telling the tale of the misfortune cookie. My last name was Wang. All right, good. Now you get the role. And here's the thing. Let me give you very clear. It's silly. I played the role for a few seasons of the Brain on Arthur. Right? That was one of my first. Like, that was the first role that got me my union card in Canada. I auditioned for the role of Arthur because the kid had aged out. And I went in, and I remember the guy going, nope, you don't sound anything like him. We're not going to waste your time. I was pretty harsh about it, and I was just devastated. I was 12, I think. And then they called back and said, you Know what we heard like kind of a timmer in your voice. Do you think you could work on an. Think you could try and sound like the brain? Because there was a kid before me and without knowing if I could, I said yes. And I just watched it and I watched it and I would copy the phrases and I really tried to get. And I can't do it now, but at that point in time, I could do a pitch perfect impression of the kid before me and I could say big words. Word for the audition was, I'm sorry, Arthur, but if I wanted to read trash, I would have read Ogleberg's Treatise on Binomial Coefficients. No one else could say it. And then I could do an impression. I said, well, I could. You sound just like him. And I got through. I had to fit into exactly what it is that they needed to get my foot in the door. And I was nervous and I was cranky because I'd already been told no and this was consequential. They personally called me back. And here's the thing, the victory in getting that, and it's a small victory, but for a kid, it was a big deal and I was proud of it because I actually had to work at something to do it right. It was a contingency plan. She'll never know what that feels like. She'll never appreciate it the way a 12 year old me did because she wants to play both sides. People only give me credit for this and use the credit that she's given as the wife of a famous athlete and what she could do excellently. And you see this so rarely. It should be the rule. It should be the norm every time the wife of a person of note goes out in public on a podcast. It should be almost exclusive. If that's the only reason you're known almost exclusively to support and elevate and champion the cause of the man who has given you that life and will lay down his for you.

[Gerald]

Can you imagine if Steph goes out in an interview, podcast interview. And they're like, yeah, well, your wife has this cooking show and she's working now and she's spending a lot of time out of the house and she's finding her own career and just happy doing that, and how does that make you feel? And he's like, well, I mean, I love my wife and I support her, but I wish she would stay. Do you know how.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

That backlash he would get and how she would react.

[Interjector 3]

He would lose sponsors.

[Gerald]

Yeah, dude, yeah.

[Interjector 1]

Or he says, I never really paid Attention.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. And I know we have more clips. It doesn't feel.

[Gerald]

She cooks or something. I guess she's pretty good at it.

[Joe]

Yeah, I guess she's okay, you know.

[Gerald]

But turns out she's one of the best ones.

[Joe]

I don't know. I hear it's good, but she's not making any of it for me, so I don't really know what it tastes like. Something like that, you know. Oh, my God.

[Gerald]

He's like, yeah.

[Joe]

But you say.

[Gerald]

Now that she's doing all this stuff, I just. I feel like I've lost everything that's interesting about me. And let me just.

[Joe]

Let me give you one step further. What if. A completely reasonable thing for him to say. What if he said, yeah, you know, it's just. It's tough because I come home, you know, after, like, tonight, had a tough loss. I made some mistakes, and it's tough because I come home and sometimes she comes home after me. And, you know, it'd be nice to have someone to talk to about it, but, you know, she tries her best to resonate with me, but she just absolutely can't. She just doesn't understand. And, you know, which is probably true. She really only cares about her own problems. And, you know, if he just said exactly what she would be, oh, my God. She doesn't exist for you. Here's the truth. I'm gonna say this. Steph Curry's wife, your purpose being the reason for your existence at this point in time, after the Soul Bomb, the covenant that you have made, and the children that you have created, the reason right now for your existence is to love unconditionally, support, submit to that man, and serve those children before the interests of your own. That is why you exist. That's why you were put on Earth. You may not like it, but that's the Christian worldview. If you don't try and whitewash it into Protestant Praying Girlfriend, Daily devotionals.

[Gerald]

I would say try to learn to like it. That's what I would say.

[Joe]

Like, try to learn liking practice. Yeah. Yeah, right.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Joe]

No one likes everything.

[Gerald]

This is what your life is.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Try to make the best of it. Turns out you ended up with a pretty good spot.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Gerald]

And I'm sure you can make the best of it.

[Joe]

And no one says that all of it is fun, but here's the other thing. It's a real blessing that you'll never know. Do you think that Steph Curry. I know your teammates, and those are important. Do you think he loves the managers, the promoters, the sales reps to the same degree that you love your children because he has to deal with them every day. The people he deals with every day don't give a shit about him, and they don't give a shit about your family. The people who you lament dealing with as your primary focus every day are the people you're supposed to love most. And sure, they'll annoy you. And that doesn't mean that you're going to like changing diapers. It doesn't mean that you're going to like sitting by a recital where they do the same thing for the 15th time, but you love those people. He's surrounded every day by people who don't care about him. So it's that much more important for you to do so. You are failing your primary duty and the reason for your existence once you've chosen to sign up as a wife and mother. Finally, she does talk about. Oh, they play this game here, right? A game of who is more likely.

[Gerald]

That's fun.

[Joe]

That's fun. Let's see.

[Interjector 2]

I want to play a game then, between you and Steph, of who is more likely to. Okay. Who is more likely to take a work call during date night?

[Ayesha Curry]

Stefan.

[Interjector 2]

Do you guys have boundaries of like. No, we're done with work food.

[Ayesha Curry]

I do. Where is the game?

[Interjector 2]

You're like, do not disturb mother.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, That's. That's because that's really feminine. So, yeah, here's the thing. Like, who's more likely to. This again? Goes back to narcissism and completely inconsiderate. It's like. Hey, hey. Do you think you could put the Hamburger Helper on simmer? It's the president.

[Gerald]

Oh, sorry, I can't put this call off. It's Under Armour. They want to give us a multimillion dollar deal to put my. Your name.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

On shoes. Do you mind if I take this call or. Yeah, I tell him the fuck off.

[Joe]

Can we Pause Paranormal Activity 4 because Rig Ring call waiting. Oh, it's someone who's angry that I met with the President.

[Gerald]

She says it's from a place from, like, somebody whose husband. I mean, technically, probably good. Put off the call from Under Armour. Or journalist. And they have that privilege. But somebody watching this, a woman watching this is going to be.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

What the hell? My firefighter husband took a call during dinner. Now he has to go save some babies. That bastard.

[Joe]

Right? And some guy with third degree burns under rubble is like, I'm glad she had boundaries.

[Gerald]

I'm being a little extreme, but you're not.

[Joe]

No, but that.

[Gerald]

I mean, that's. That's what I think of is the average person watching this, who. Whose husband might take a work call. Maybe he's a sales guy and he. He needs this. He needs to take this call. Otherwise he's not going to sell this house or this car or whatever, this advertising campaign, and he's not going to make his quota for the month. And then he might be on the chopping block and then out of work for four months, and then, whoa, who's a bum now? Because he can't get a job.

[Joe]

Yeah, no, you're exactly right. And here, I guarantee you that I don't want to speak for him, but if I was Steph Curry in the back of my mind, I definitely would be fearing that I would outlast my utility to this woman. This is not someone who seems quite capable of unconditional love. And I'm not just saying it because of clips out of context. I watched the whole thing. The context makes it worse. And she's chosen to go out and communicate primarily about these things. That's her choice. And look, men avoid this, and women understand that men are going to avoid this more and more and more. You need to do the exact opposite of this. And we need to put aside the idea of that sexist meaning what all men wanted, whether you agree with it up until and including yesterday, they have to act like they don't. And what women expected from men. If you were to take any woman, well, first off, you'd have to reduce it. Right. Go backwards on inflation and I don't know, $250 million would be like a. What would it be back then? That'd be like eight bucks. I don't know. Go back to someone back in and say, by the way, the lady next door is married to the richest man in the neighborhood, who is a Christian. They got married young, high school sweetheart, has never cheated, speaks respectfully about everything that we know, seems to be good. No, no. Marriage is perfect. And she's really upset and unhappy back then. Because here's the thing, it's not just. It's not patriarchy, although that is important, that kept women in line. It was also matriarchy. There would be a mom who would go, what is. And probably slap you and go, what is wrong with you? My family couldn't afford soap. Do you know what an outhouse is? We don't have that now because we have princesses. And it's whatever my girl wants. Mothers used to keep them in line Going, hey, you need. You. You need a reality check. Do you know who you're married to? That man needs the support that only you can give him. Do you know. Do you know what Cecilia down the block has to deal with? She just. Half her family just got the Black Plague. I don't know how far back we're going in time, but you understand, there were much greater differences.

[Gerald]

I think she's happy. I want to say that. I do think she's happy.

[Joe]

Oh, I don't.

[Gerald]

I do. I think she's happy. And I think that she's just having this moment where she's complaining about that. But that's the thing. I have the issue I have with it.

[Joe]

But she's done it on so many. Point out, not just the show. Oh, she consistently.

[Gerald]

Why I haven't seen it all. But what I was gonna say was, it's. What she did is completely disrespectful, in my opinion, to your husband. You went on. Not national television, but it's. I mean, it's a very popular podcast, and you went out there and just kind of made it seem like your husband doesn't get it. You're. You know, he's not. He's not. You're not. You're not fulfilled by being with your husband. And I think that's disrespectful. One Embarrassing to him, too. And I think it's a dangerous thing to say to young women who are watching the show who go, yeah, I agree. Look, it's not that great. It sucks. She has. She has Steph Curry and she's unhappy.

[Joe]

Right? And then they go, well, what is it?

[Gerald]

What happens? What happens to those young women?

[Joe]

Right?

[Gerald]

How does that influence their life?

[Joe]

They go, it's fine. Well, you can see. You should see the defense of this going like, y', all, it's okay that just maybe she wants something different. No, no, it's not okay. It's not okay because they've created children. It's not okay. That's where we differ. And women, this generation, decide which direction you want to go down. You can agree with men and what I'm talking about here, and we have slight disagreements. Right? But you can understand that's not okay. It's never okay. A woman should be judged. If she decides to prioritize something above her family that includes her husband and.

[Gerald]

Children, a man will.

[Joe]

Yep. She should be judged. That's one road to go down. Okay. Understand that. Or it's okay, let's not judge. She can pick something else. All right? One will lead to a relationship if you want to have a family. The other leads to cats. But you have to make that choice. You do have to make that choice. It's. You can't expect the family. But also. And we can renege if we're not happy. It's okay to want something else. It is not okay. Marriage used to be a contract. That said, by the way, nothing else taking priority over. This is okay. You understand this is a non compete clause. Effectively, that's what it was. And then we said, oh, or you could just compete and cheat, whatever and take f. And then there's another question that was asked here on who was more likely to splurge. I don't remember this one.

[Interjector 2]

Who is more likely to splurge on a big purchase?

[Ayesha Curry]

Me.

[Joe]

Oh, surprise.

[Ayesha Curry]

That is not even a conversation.

[Interjector 2]

Good for you.

[Ayesha Curry]

He's gonna be so proud of me.

[Joe]

Why the fuck is that good for you? Like, here's the thing. Why? Why is that good for you? What's good about that? Well, you're making a moral judgment. Good for you. Spending money that you could never earn if you didn't take advantage of the fact that you're the wife of a famous guy and then lament it. What's good about that? Let's just say it's not bad. But what is good about that?

[Gerald]

Why is it celebrated?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

What is that like, good for you? As you should like. I'm not saying she shouldn't splurge and spend money. You have the money. Your husband loves you.

[Joe]

Okay. Who cares?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

But at that. What is it good?

[Joe]

It's also. Why do you think it is this part, this.

[Gerald]

This next part, by the way, is.

[Joe]

It gets more my favorite part. Oh, yeah.

[Gerald]

Maybe we can go back a couple seconds.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

So let's play it that you got fired up there.

[Joe]

Sorry, but I don't. Because someone can. Women out there in the sisterhood where you always. Can you tell me, why is that good for you? Who spends more money frivolously? Me. Amazing. Why?

[Interjector 2]

All right, who is more likely to splurge on a big purchase?

[Ayesha Curry]

Me. That is not even a conversation.

[Interjector 2]

Good for you.

[Ayesha Curry]

Gonna be so proud of me for being honest.

[Gerald]

Will he.

[Interjector 2]

He's gonna be watching this like, yes, babe, thank you for taking accountability. What is like one of your splurges that you're like. I'm really actually proud of that one, actually.

[Ayesha Curry]

My ring. So I reset my ring.

[Interjector 2]

I've been staring at it. So that's a good answer.

[Gerald]

It's fun.

[Ayesha Curry]

But I Feel like I'll have it forever.

[Gerald]

That didn't sound forever trailing off. I guess forever.

[Joe]

By the way, the big engagement ring is the stupidest thing that's ever. It is. It is proof positive that women have very few real friends. If you, like, put size of engagement ring into a currency converter, like, its metric will be the value of how many friends it pisses off. That's the only value that it brings, is that it might be bigger or more clear or expensive than your friend's ring. It's of no actual intrinsic value. It's literally just a flex to make other women feel less than. And that's what she spent the most on. Good for you.

[Gerald]

She spent that on her ring. Not.

[Joe]

Not Steph, because, well, just like money, the bank account, the cars, the ring he gave her likely wasn't good enough.

[Gerald]

I also. Well, we'll get to that. I also like that she goes, you'll be so proud of me. And, yeah, he's probably watching, like, yes, babe, take accountability. I get that they're talking about that one question. They're being silly. But I highly doubt that he's watching any of this and going, I'm so proud of you for saying all those things to everyone on earth.

[Joe]

Right. Yeah.

[Gerald]

Thanks, babe. You're. I'm so proud of you for opening up and telling everyone about how unhappy you are and. Yeah, forever.

[Joe]

And you know what else? When she says. When someone says he'll be proud that I'm being honest about something that's relatively inconsequential. It's like when someone. No matter what. Yes. And they go, let me tell you the truth, or, I'm not gonna lie to you. And they say it all the time. You're like, whoa, whoa, what were you doing before? You don't say, he's going to be proud of me for telling the truth. In this scenario where it doesn't matter that the subtext there. And I'm not. I don't want to do the psychoanalyzing, but the subtext there is he would only be proud of you if the expectation would be somewhat. That you wouldn't tell the truth. Meaning he would be proud of you for telling the truth because it might be something unique or an outlier. You're not proud of someone for telling the truth on something inconsequential. If they tell the truth all the time. That's just par for the course. Just like someone who tells you the truth doesn't always need to say, I'm not gonna lie to you. They just answer. So this is just. I mean, okay, ring's not enough. Hey, is there sentimental value? Oh, yeah. Well, here's the other thing, too. I know you brought this up. This was good. Recall. Here she is in 2019 pretending to take off her wedding ring in front of some shirtless dude on tv. I know, I know. Guarantee you if he did that, that'd be grounds for divorce.

[Gerald]

I mean, I get it. I saw that guy and I. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah, that guy who would give his left nut to be Steph Curry. It just never. What do you think would happen if a guy was doing that because some hot came in and waved her tits and just. I'll tell you exactly what it is.

[Gerald]

If I had done that on national television, even as a joke, doing stand up comedy. Yeah, I did in the comedy special. It would break my wife's heart.

[Joe]

Oh, of course it would.

[Gerald]

I'm not even going to talk about her actions afterwards. It would just straight up, regardless of what she does about it, it would break her heart.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, that.

[Gerald]

I made that joke.

[Joe]

That's not even like playful flirting. In other words, if she just went like something like, okay, sure, fine. Taking off. Like you went to the nuclear option, taking off your wedding ring.

[Interjector 3]

If I was Steph, I would have walked out there and been like, here, let me help you with that.

[Joe]

Yes, exactly.

[Gerald]

Then I'll take it with me.

[Interjector 3]

Exactly.

[Joe]

Get out of here and I'll tell you. You know, and then.

[Gerald]

And that's. This stuff gets chalked up too. They'll go, oh, well, Steph, you know what? Steph Curry isn't a problem. You guys are complaining. Steph Curry isn't a problem.

[Joe]

He's.

[Gerald]

He's very secure in his relationship. And his masculine. He's very secure.

[Joe]

Or he could be held hostage.

[Gerald]

So then that gets used against everybody else.

[Joe]

Yeah, he could be held hostage.

[Gerald]

Oh, you're insecure. Yeah, Steph Curry does. People like Steph Curry don't care. So.

[Joe]

Or maybe he's honoring a commitment that she seems very likely to break because he's the man of integrity who she chose to marry. But it's not enough. Maybe that's what it is. Guarantee you. And he would say the opposite because he wouldn't want to dishonor her. Guarantee you he's not happy.

[Interjector 3]

People equate tolerate with don't care. Those are two very different words.

[Joe]

Guarantee you. Guarantee you what he read in the notes on his draft. Guarantee you that bothered him. Guarantee you her taking off her wedding ring bothers him. Guarantee you her Saying that, you know, I didn't really know that he's famous and don't really care bothers him. Guarantee you he wants someone in his corner. And if people say, why do you hate women? No, no, no, no. No one here hates anybody. But I will say, I have a problem with most women in the public eye, and that includes covert feminists on the right. And I sent this to my woman, and her response when she watched it was just evil. She said, evil men out there make sure that the woman who you're considering to put a ring on, if you want to make sure she doesn't just take it off for the next Chippendales guy who walks by, make sure without prompting from you, she responds with, that's evil. And I'll give you another example. I know exactly what would happen again, coming from my woman, because she was reading about Martha Stewart, the biography, and started off kind of liking her. She was really interested in being a homemaker and then hated her because she read like. She's like. And her husband, you know, ended up cheating on her and she left him. And I was like, what a p. She goes. But then I read they went to Europe for five months, and she was in a cathedral, and she was inspired. And she talks about making out with a guy, six, four for like five minutes. I think I'm getting half of this. Right. But in a cathedral. I believe during her honeymoon. She cheated during her honeymoon and then left the guy for. And by the way, if it was.

[Interjector 1]

Doesn't get worse than that.

[Gerald]

No, I mean, couldn't make it a day.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah. On their honeymoon. And here's the other thing. Are you willing to bet that a woman who would make out with a guy and also take the 10. Right. And he was 64 and really hot and going hoo hoo. Are you willing to bet that maybe that woman wasn't putting out for the guy, which might have something to do with the fact that he sought that physical affection elsewhere. Doesn't justify it. But why are we just skimming past on her honeymoon with another guy, she.

[Gerald]

Barely made it further than Hitler.

[Joe]

What was it?

[Gerald]

He married Ava Braun that day and then killed himself?

[Joe]

What was it? Something like that.

[Gerald]

It was very. It was very soon.

[Joe]

He still had the wedding cans on his car.

[Interjector 1]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

The whole joke was that they, you know, he killed himself because he couldn't take his wife.

[Joe]

He switched just married to just can't fix this.

[Gerald]

Hey, take my wife.

[Joe]

Take my wife to the chambers, please.

[Interjector 1]

Oh, he didn't cheat, though.

[Joe]

Well, that's one way to look at it, sure. Yeah.

[Interjector 3]

They just. They just sent in the article and it reads, he didn't know I was married.

[Joe]

Oh, well, our problem isn't with him. No, I know.

[Gerald]

That's my point.

[Interjector 3]

That's my point. She took advantage of that guy on top of it.

[Gerald]

You know who did know they were married? Her husband.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. And you.

[Gerald]

He was quite excited, but he was.

[Joe]

You. How do you.

[Gerald]

How do you cheat on your honeymoon? Where's the. You how far out. How long are you set? I. Sorry, this is blowing my mind.

[Interjector 1]

Well, she married.

[Gerald]

Separate security.

[Interjector 1]

She married him for security. And she found a guy that was hot. That she was sexually attracted to.

[Interjector 3]

Yeah, but how.

[Interjector 1]

Where'd she find.

[Gerald]

She didn't make a bond with him at the honeymoon. It's like. That's. That's like, where you're like, we.

[Joe]

We.

[Gerald]

It's the clo. That's. Oh, my God. Okay. Sorry.

[Joe]

No.

[Gerald]

People equate their honeymoon to. That was when we were the closest. That was our most intimate moment, that we couldn't be separated from each other. We were attached at the hip. Where did she find. At least five minutes.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

To find a guy to make out. Who is it?

[Joe]

Where did you. Infidelity. Was he taking a shit? It's a good thing.

[Interjector 3]

Research sent in.

[Joe]

They.

[Interjector 3]

They pointed out. They asked her, was it naughty or was it infidelity? And she said it was neither naughty nor un.

[Joe]

Unfaithful. I.

[Interjector 3]

It was just emotional of the moment. That's how I looked at it.

[Gerald]

Well, yes, sometimes you get emotional.

[Interjector 1]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And you just bang the towel guy.

[Interjector 3]

Zero accountability.

[Joe]

But what a piece of. That. He cheated years, years later. How much do you want to bet that he put up with so much crap? Yeah.

[Interjector 1]

Well, that's just the one she told the public about.

[Interjector 3]

Take those paternity tests.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interjector 1]

And the irony, too, is if Steph Curry's wife.

[Joe]

She.

[Interjector 1]

She wants something different.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Interjector 1]

She could get it with his money.

[Gerald]

Yeah, a thousand times. That's a great point. A thousand times. She did this if she. She had to, because if she. First of all, she's famous and successful and she has her own show and people work for her and people adore her and all this. So she's got access to people who definitely are interested.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

She did this on her honeymoon, couldn't wait a day to be making out with somebody else, and then didn't even look at it as cheating. How many other people did she not cheat with?

[Joe]

A thousand.

[Interjector 1]

Exactly.

[Joe]

Come on.

[Gerald]

I Jerked off.

[Joe]

The light guy.

[Gerald]

It was just an emotional. He was. He gave me great lighting on the set, so I thought I'd give him a reward.

[Interjector 3]

Stop being so insecure.

[Joe]

Rimming the key grip is a good thing. Yeah, I just.

[Interjector 3]

I was the key grip that night.

[Joe]

Like, this is. If we don't solve this, Western civilization is doomed because it relates to birth rates, it relates to strong communities having strong families. Every statistic that you look at, you know, the older people get if they're married and have kids, the more conservative they are, the more they value their faith, their family, their freedom. And I just see fewer and fewer young men signing up to get married when they look at the supposed Christian couple and a guy who has done everything right with the curries and it's this simple, look, women, if you're like, why are men. Why are men so angry? She might have her reasons. I'm just. I'm not. I don't need to listen to you right now. I'm telling you, young men watch this and go, okay, I don't want that. They watch it. Go. You can do everything right and this can still happen. And then let's say she. Let's say she pulls a Martha Stewart, cheats on him and leaves him. What happens? She gets half and he loses his kids. I'm not signing up. So if you want any marriages to take place in the future, you need to change. And you also need to actually link arms and try and change divorce laws. Divorce needs to be very difficult. It used to be, because we tried to discourage. It needs to be very, very difficult in this country again, so that people, if they won't honor their commitments willingly, are forced to, because I'm telling you this, young men are going to see this and go, I'm going to be. I am not getting tricked with that. And I hear it. And as a Christian male, it's hard to argue against it because it's everywhere and the justification. But she wants something else. Okay, then don't expect marriage and don't expect a family. It's that simple. It's just. And it really is. It's heartbreaking. And this guy, I guarantee you, and rightfully so, if he probably won't. But if Steph Curry were to watch us and say, hey, and I can't believe that Dick said that about my wife, and if I. If I see him in the street, it's gonna be on site, you know what I would say? Hey, he's doing his job.

[Gerald]

Absolutely.

[Joe]

And I wouldn't blame him. I also know that he can't say what it is that he's really struggling with. Guarantee you he has some problems with it. And if not, just read the comments section. All the other men out there, seriously, ask a man. Ask a man if he's hesitant to get married and what are the biggest roadblocks to marriage and commitment. Ask him. Ask him. Not about what you want. Ask what it is that men expect. And then ask yourself, what's your duty? Both of you have duties. Steph Curry's duty is to provide, to protect, to lay down his life for his family, to love his family. He has to balance how he provides for his family and the time he spends with his family. That is something that all men have to do. Her duty is to make the house a home. Her duty is to make the house a home and to support that man who has a singular gift that seems. I mean, you said he might be the best ever. I don't follow basketball, but I know how good he is.

[Gerald]

One of the best, if not the best three people point shooter of all time. 11 time all star. He's very good. He's. Yeah. Top five shooters of all time.

[Joe]

Here's a good rule of thumb. If you can't do what he does, support him so that he can do. I said it in the way that you might understand. We'll see you on Monday. The more black and white and the gray issues coming next week. O Spicy. The.