Trump Declares Iran War Almost Finished: Did we Win? Feat. Guest Prof. Jonathan Zimmerman

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Louder with Crowder

Episode: Trump Declares Iran War Almost Finished: Did We Win? (Feat. Prof. Jonathan Zimmerman)
Date: April 1, 2026

Episode Overview

Steven Crowder and his panel navigate the latest news in politics, entertainment, and U.S. foreign policy, zeroing in on the near-end of the Iran conflict under President Trump and what victory means. The episode debates "feminist grievances" in entertainment, critiques Hollywood's approach to representation, and highlights an anticipated debate with UPenn Professor Jonathan Zimmerman on campus free speech. Featuring sharp, irreverent banter among Crowder, Candace Owens, Ben, Gerald, and special guests, the show blends political analysis with pop culture commentary, culminating in a direct conversation with Prof. Zimmerman about dialogue across political divides.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Iran Conflict: “Did We Win?” and What Counts as Victory?

• Crowder’s Position:
  Crowder emphasizes consistency in evaluating the Iran conflict, reiterating his earlier stance to "wait three months before making any judgments" on the outcome ([30:31-32:13]).
• Update:
  On Day 32, Crowder and team dissect whether the operation achieved its goals: neutralizing Iran’s nuclear ambitions and military capabilities, without spiraling into a “forever war” like Iraq.
• Trump’s Update [32:41]:
  • Trump claims U.S. goals are nearly achieved, regime change is effective, and Iran is set back 15–20 years militarily.

    “They have no navy, they have no military... It’ll take 15 to 20 years for them to rebuild ... We’re finishing the job and I think within maybe two weeks, maybe a couple of days longer...” – (Marco Rubio channeling Trump, 33:29)

  • Crowder and Candace note European allies’ reluctance to participate and consequences for global energy markets, especially Europe’s reliance on the Strait of Hormuz ([38:27–39:59]).
  • Metrics Discussed:
    • 2/3 of Iran’s missiles destroyed or buried; 80% air defense and 92% of their navy neutralized ([37:02–37:59]).
    • U.S. and European burdensharing in global security is challenged.
    • Domestic consequences: political unpopularity, risk of depleted U.S. weapon stockpiles ([43:25–44:08]).
• Assessment:
  Crowder calls for honest post-mortem regardless of ideology: if three months pass without a quagmire, compare Iran to brief conflicts like Bosnia/Kosovo, not Iraq ([45:17–45:33]).

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2. Cultural Commentary: Female Leads, Representation, and Hollywood Grievances

• Supergirl’s Preemptive Backlash:
  • The panel criticizes Millie Alcock (Supergirl’s lead) for predicting sexist backlash and blaming potential failure on male audiences ([13:09–14:52]).

    “This sounds like someone ... preemptively trying to use the sexism excuse for a film that may not work out that well.” – Steven Crowder [14:33]

• Female Action Heroes: Fact-Checking Hollywood:
  • Referencing Jennifer Lawrence's comment that Hunger Games was the first female-led action franchise ([16:28–16:44]), Crowder lists counterexamples:
    • Alien (Ripley), Terminator (Sarah Connor), Tomb Raider (Lara Croft), Wonder Woman, Charlie’s Angels, Resident Evil, Underworld ([17:54–18:07]).
  • Critique: When female-led films flop (e.g., Captain Marvel, She-Hulk, Rings of Power, Ghostbusters), the cast/press blame sexism rather than poor writing or execution ([19:05–19:20]).
• Latina Representation & ‘Fetishization’:
  • Addressing Rachel Zegler’s comments about Eurocentric beauty standards ([20:06–20:44]), panelists rattle off a long list of well-known Latina stars who have been lauded for their beauty.

    “25 Latina women crowned Miss Universe ... Latina women are pretty much ... okay with almost everybody.” – Candace Owens [22:02–22:22]

  • Claim: Media narratives generate controversies where none exist, and claims of underrepresentation/fetishization can’t both be true ([23:28–23:48]).
• Panel’s Satirical Response:
  • The hosts lampoon Hollywood’s shifting grievances, suggesting it’s impossible to satisfy the current culture war demands ([26:23–26:47]).

Memorable Quote:

“Keep the bikini contest. We don’t give a shit about your talent show.” – Steven Crowder [26:28]

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3. Free Speech, Academia, and the Upcoming Debate

Change My Mind Origins & Professor Resistance ([01:19–01:54], [47:10–49:36])

• Crowder details the years-long effort to get college professors to participate in open debate and academic dialogue.
  • Numerous Ivy League professors back out or set “absurd” preconditions for debates (e.g., demanding post-production approval of the footage), which Crowder’s team sees as a sign of institutional cowardice and censorship ([51:33–53:09]).

Conversation with Professor Jonathan Zimmerman ([56:30–64:31])

• Zimmerman’s Motivation:

  “The reason I said yes is because I believe in dialogue across difference. ... I generally don’t learn from people I agree with. I learn from people I disagree with.” – Prof. Zimmerman [57:15]

• Debate Preview:
  • Zimmerman, a liberal Democrat, wants to discuss university failures to protect free speech and his view that the Trump administration is now restricting it in harmful ways (e.g., executive orders banning “critical race theory”) ([59:44–60:49]).
  • Crowder agrees free speech is a central issue but argues academia’s current environment is at least equally corrosive as Trump’s civic norm violations.
• Points of Likely Disagreement:
  • Trump’s policies vs. rhetoric and “norms of civic dialogue.”
  • University environments “lean left” but are not monolithically radical ([61:20–61:31]).
  • Both agree that polarization and labeling (“moron,” “transphobe,” etc.) supplant genuine argument ([63:07–63:29]).

Memorable Quote:

“Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because we’ve used silly slurs to clamp down on free speech doesn’t mean we ... the President of the United States doing it.”
– Prof. Jonathan Zimmerman [63:29]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Supergirl/Hollywood Grievances Segment: [09:49–26:47]
• Latina Representation/Fetishization Commentary: [19:43–26:47]
• Iran War Recap and Evaluation: [29:35–46:40]
• Debate/Academic Free Speech Segment: [47:10–53:09]
• Live Discussion with Prof. Jonathan Zimmerman: [56:30–64:59]

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Notable Quotes

• "They have no navy, they have no military... It’ll take 15 to 20 years for them to rebuild ... We’re finishing the job and I think within maybe two weeks, maybe a couple of days longer..."
  — (Marco Rubio channeling Trump) [33:29]

• "This sounds like someone ... preemptively trying to use the sexism excuse for a film that may not work out that well."
  — Steven Crowder [14:33]

• “25 Latina women crowned Miss Universe... Latina women are pretty much ... okay with almost everybody.”
  — Candace Owens [22:02–22:22]

• "Keep the bikini contest. We don’t give a shit about your talent show."
  — Steven Crowder [26:28]

• “The reason I said yes is because I believe in dialogue across difference. ... I generally don’t learn from people I agree with. I learn from people I disagree with.”
  — Prof. Zimmerman [57:15]

• “Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because we’ve used silly slurs to clamp down on free speech doesn’t mean we ... the President of the United States doing it.”
  — Prof. Zimmerman [63:29]

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Tone and Style

The episode is irreverent, combative, and comedic—balancing blunt factual and ideological assertions with satirical jabs at opponents, pop culture, and each other. Crowder, Owens, and the panel maintain a mocking tone toward perceived “woke” grievances while encouraging debate and direct engagement with differing views—a theme underscored by their discussion with Zimmerman.

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For Listeners “In a Hurry”

• The Iran conflict is likely winding down; Crowder urges a fair comparison with shorter U.S. interventions if it ends in under three months, and calls out media/left-wing exaggerations about “World War Three.”
• The show takes Hollywood to task for preemptively blaming sexism for possible box office failures, criticizing both the narrative and the execution of such films.
• Crowder’s “Change My Mind” debate series levels up, as he finally lands a willing academic (Prof. Zimmerman) for a rare, cross-ideological campus debate on free speech, airing concerns about both university and Trump-era censorship.

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Special Upcoming Event

• Live Debate: Steven Crowder vs. Professor Jonathan Zimmerman
  April 10, 7:00pm Eastern at UPenn’s Annenberg Center for the Performing Arts.
  Tickets via LouderWithCrowder.com (noon, limited availability).

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, see, I can kind of do that, but not really. Oh, yes. I was dancing with my titties. Glad to be with you. Welcome to the lineup live on rumble, 8am to 7pm Eastern. I believe we're always adding content and some. Some new announcements to be coming. Hey, the ladies are at it again. We're going to talk about today, Supergirl. I don't know if attacking your male audience has ever worked. I do know.

[Ben]

No.

[Steven Crowder]

And we're gonna talk. Hey, Iran, maybe coming to a close. What do you think? Where do you think we are? I said, hey, let's give this three months and then let's evaluate. I believe we're at day 32, so we have some updates and quite, I guess I should say, novelly. Is that a word? Novelly? Novel. Probably not. Professor Jonathan Zimmerman is going to be on the show. I am going to be debating him April 10th at UPenn. Right around. I believe it's in Philly.

[Candace Owens]

Is it in Philly proper?

[Steven Crowder]

It's right around Philadelphia. It's an awful place, but he's a nice man. Hey, we've had about 10 professors back out. This is 10 years in the making, 10 schools. And we're going to actually show you some of the communications with professors who agreed to do it. PhDs, Ivy League. And then they laid out their demands and then they backed out. This is the only guy who was willing to show up. Hopefully we get more who come forward.

[Candace Owens]

But let me ask you, why do

[Steven Crowder]

you think that is? We've always been asking professors at the Change my minds. That's how it started. We just sort of gave up. Gave up hope because no one would show up. They were more interested in banning us. We're going to have Zimmerman on to kind of get the lay of the land and tell you guys what to expect. But Iran, Supergirl, Professor Zimmerman, nice guy, but I will not hesitate. Intro.

[Dr. Hoffman (storyteller)]

Well, kids, here's another story from Dr. Hoffman's Pretty Stories and Funny Pictures book. This one is the story of Augustus, who would not have any soup. Okay, Augustus was a chubby lad, fat ruddy cheeks. Augustus had. Ooh, that's fat shaming. Well, it gets better. And everybody saw with joy the plump and hearty healthy boy. See, it's not fat shaming after all. He ate and drank as he was told and never let his soup get cold. But one day, one cold winter's day, he screamed out, take the soup away. Oh, take the nasty soup away. I won't have any soup today.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't.

[Dr. Hoffman (storyteller)]

Something's Wrong with the soup, I guess. Next day. Now look. The picture shows how lank and lean Augustus Gross. Look, see, this is. This could be marketed yet. Though he feels so weak and ill, the fellow cries out, still not any soup for me. I say, oh, take the nasty soup away. I won't have any soup today. Now you know that's this is either some really, really horrible soup or a terribly effective, very marketable weight loss. The third day comes. Oh, what a sin to make himself so pale and thin. Yet when the soup is put on the table, he screams as loud as he is able. Not any soup. I say, oh, take the nasty soup away. I won't have any soup today. This is just terrible. Look at him now. The fourth day has come. He scarcely weighs a sugar plum. He's like a little bit of thread. And on the fifth day he was dead. So gallon of milk a day. You kids remember that? Gallon of milk a day.

[Steven Crowder]

Click Rumble Premium and join now for 99 annually or 9.99amonth to get the entirely ad free experience and an ever expanding roster of content creators and free speec. We have a guest, so we have to get through this. Quick question. Which of the Ivy League schools produces the most insufferable subversive communists? You guys comment, let me know because we reached out to all. Which one?

[Ben]

Notre Dame.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, just kidding. It's not true. No, what's not true? That's not Ivy League.

[Candace Owens]

Ouch. Yowza.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Candace Owens]

Whoa.

[Gerald]

Poison Ivy League, maybe.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. See you at.

[Josh Firestein]

You're not doing.

[Steven Crowder]

No, I'm just gonna let Gerald carry

[Candace Owens]

this because he loves to pop in and say nothing. So I'm like, yeah, go ahead. What's your point? You wanted to make this all about

[Steven Crowder]

Notre Dame on the out.

[Candace Owens]

That was a little jabby.

[Gerald]

That was actually my fault.

[Steven Crowder]

No, no. But then it's his fault for making it all Notre Dame centric. Like you have to have a follow up. I didn't have anything. You got anything to, you know, dis the. Yeah, you should arrange.

[Gerald]

You should have been like. You didn't go to college, stupid. Yeah, that's a good point. College.

[Steven Crowder]

Exactly.

[Gerald]

Uneducated swine.

[Steven Crowder]

Right. Then you could use your skill set and he could use his skill set which is harming his knee. And then you could shoot him.

[Ben]

But he would probably win.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Put you out of your misery business prize. That's why you run this.

[Candace Owens]

Captain Morgan CEO.

[Steven Crowder]

How are you?

[Ben]

I was before all that.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, it's going to get better because we got to. It's a lot with credit.com tickets. I believe tickets will be available starting noon today for the debate at UPenn. It's not a. Not a huge venue, so get those tickets while they last. And of course, there'll be a screening to make sure that you are not a terrorist.

[Ben]

Some screening.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Hopefully more than some. Gerald.

[Ben]

That's.

[Steven Crowder]

That was.

[Candace Owens]

I left that to you.

[Steven Crowder]

Friday, Saturday, April 24th, 25th, at Comedy Avenue in Lawton, Oklahoma. Maybe let's make sure there's screening there, too. Josh Firestein, how are you?

[Gerald]

No screening. Terrorists welcome at my show.

[Candace Owens]

Nice.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, nice.

[Gerald]

Yeah. I like to bring the enemy to me.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. Well, the good news is, if you welcome terrorists, it's going to be nothing but white, conservative males.

[Gerald]

It'll be great crowd work.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

[Gerald]

Comedian destroys terrorists.

[Ben]

Comedian bombs.

[Steven Crowder]

I don't know. Just American history. Ex hecklers means not welcome.

[Ben]

What.

[Steven Crowder]

What are you. I'm up here doing some stuff.

[Candace Owens]

All right.

[Steven Crowder]

Before we get to anything else, speaking of universities, researchers at Northwestern University, they designed this prototype robot that can still function. I'm using this term loosely. After taking damage. This is when people talk about research on campus, they're talking about stuff like this. It's Bambi. That's more like Bambi's mom.

[Robot Researcher]

We're making that are made of robots, which is why I call them meta machines. So these robots are made out of modular parts that are themselves robots. And this means that if one part of the body, you can break it with a stick, not even with much force, it survives. It continues.

[Steven Crowder]

It's weaker than a pinata at a child's party.

[Robot Researcher]

We really wanted to create robots that

[Gerald]

has worse direction than a room bus and that.

[Steven Crowder]

Or a lady.

[Robot Researcher]

We evolve these robots to move themselves through the world with a little bit of athleticism.

[Steven Crowder]

So a little athleticism than any other.

[Gerald]

That's athleticism.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Robot Researcher]

On land, more athletic than any other evolved robot has been.

[Josh Firestein]

I don't know about that.

[Candace Owens]

Do you think these people. Do you think people, like, ever.

[Steven Crowder]

Do you think they ever just look up like.

[Candace Owens]

It's like this guy has been at

[Steven Crowder]

his workbench since 1998 and looked up, he's like, what's that?

[Candace Owens]

What? Chat.

[Steven Crowder]

GPT. When did that happen?

[Candace Owens]

I've been working on the robot that does this all this time.

[Gerald]

Rusty tubes over here.

[Candace Owens]

You wait, you have robots now that vacuum mop and then empty themselves and hot wash and dry their own mops?

[Steven Crowder]

Ah, crap. It's almost like my research is irrelevant.

[Gerald]

It doesn't even do anything. It doesn't do anything other robo. Like, this is the most revolutionary robot.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Other robots do things.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, they do stuff.

[Gerald]

Some build cars.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Maybe gets there.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Wherever there is.

[Candace Owens]

It's like if you hit this thing with a twig, it can still flop

[Steven Crowder]

to the nearest place where it'll also flop.

[Gerald]

The things totally malfunction in an inch of snow.

[Candace Owens]

It's done. Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Like maybe Time Cop can travel back and just, like, knock that guy out.

[Ben]

Do something.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Ben]

This is stupid.

[Candace Owens]

Hit it with the good news is

[Steven Crowder]

when we have to serve our future robot overlords and you always have to find, like the video game, you want to find a weak spot.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

Lightly tap it with a stick.

[Ben]

Yes.

[Steven Crowder]

You'll be aces.

[Ben]

Actually, you could just walk it like a halfway brisk pace pretty much and be fine.

[Gerald]

Yes. It doesn't even have guns. No. It looks like it has old barrels on it, but it's not even a weapon. Doesn't do anything.

[Steven Crowder]

If it had guns, it would just be flopping with a musket.

[Candace Owens]

Not be accurate, nothing more.

[Steven Crowder]

By the way, we also know what inspired how the robot moves.

[Robot Researcher]

We are making robots.

[Candace Owens]

Oh, okay.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, now it makes sense.

[Gerald]

I don't understand. It was two robots.

[Steven Crowder]

Yes. That's for people. You know, this is why there's. It's. It's the universe. If you guys have been tuning, you guys can let the other people know the reference and they can check out, like, the 19 other bits that have included. Hey, here's the next thing we want to talk about. So first off, let me ask you, has. Has there ever been a time where female leads attacking their largely male audience has fared well for the movie. Can you give me a single example? And I get it. I get it. Men can be very competitive. They can be very possessive. Sometimes they can be quite exclusive of women. And we always. We know that these masculine problems have always plagued the fan base of Supergirl because that is the latest film where the lead actress is complaining about what a victim she is. And so if the movie fails, it's actually your fault. It's time for entertainment minute. So before I get to. The lead actress, Alcock is her, I believe is her last name.

[Gerald]

Millie.

[Ben]

Millie.

[Steven Crowder]

Millie Alcock. Before I get to her comments here, to preemptively excuse the likely failure of the film. It's possible.

[Candace Owens]

Let's look at.

[Steven Crowder]

At the trailer. And first just ask yourself, hey, does this seem like it's for me?

[Ben]

I'm worried you're not gonna find your

[Steven Crowder]

people yeah, well, that's the thing, Clark.

[Jennifer Lawrence]

I have no people.

[Clark]

Well, yeah.

[Gerald]

Clark.

[Steven Crowder]

What? Based on how she looks, I think her people live in the sewer.

[Dr. Hoffman (storyteller)]

Ugh.

[Jennifer Lawrence]

What can I do?

[Steven Crowder]

Never. Come on. This does not look like this is gonna end well for you guys.

[Gerald]

Oh, yeah, I get it.

[Jennifer Lawrence]

Re. It won't take your pain away.

[Unknown Caller]

Aren't you the dicks from that dive bar?

[Steven Crowder]

Funny, that's what I've been calling you.

[Marco Rubio]

Touche.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, that's. That's fun. Gonna. She's gonna show you how. The lady's gonna show you how to do a man's job. She can fat more fast than a locomotive, can leap buildings in a single bound, and can stick her whole fist in her mouth.

[Candace Owens]

It's okay.

[Steven Crowder]

You're gonna see how awful she is as a person. So you won't feel bad about it, at least. I will say this.

[Candace Owens]

You know, watching that, I feel like

[Steven Crowder]

I've seen that film before. At least it looks better than she. Hulk.

[Candace Owens]

She shouldn't be collecting disability.

[Gerald]

That's another job she could do.

[Ben]

Just make her mad when she's disabled.

[Gerald]

What's your disability?

[Steven Crowder]

You can expect this kind of content every day. Live 11am I wonder if the professor is tuning in right now.

[Candace Owens]

So the lead actress, Alcock, Here's. Here's the prestige word, is that this

[Steven Crowder]

film may not be as successful as people were initially anticipating. I have no idea. Hey, hopefully it's a good film and it does well. But she did say that she expects backlash. Why? Because she's a female superhero. She said.

[Gerald]

She said.

[Candace Owens]

She gave this interview to Vanity Affair.

[Steven Crowder]

Said it definitely made me aware that

[Candace Owens]

simply existing as a woman in that

[Steven Crowder]

space is something that people comment on the whole. Second, existing as a woman in the space of Supergirl,

[Ben]

we expect that one

[Candace Owens]

to be a. I mean, it used. It used to be where they would go, men are sexist.

[Steven Crowder]

Like, they don't think there should be a female James Bond. And it was absurd. And we kind of went, well.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

You know, Jameson could be a black guy. Sure, why not? I mean, I just elbow. I mean, you know, for a nice white James Bond, but sure, fine. Who cares?

[Candace Owens]

Now it's like Supergirl.

[Steven Crowder]

It's clear that men have a problem with existing as a woman in the space of Supergirl. And she went on to say, we

[Candace Owens]

have become very comfortable having this weird ownership of women's bodies.

[Steven Crowder]

I can't really stop them.

[Candace Owens]

I can only be myself.

[Jennifer Lawrence]

I.

[Steven Crowder]

Ownership over women's bodies. So let me get this straight.

[Candace Owens]

Men.

[Steven Crowder]

Or, by the way, I'm sure plenty of women who are fans of Supergirl, fans of the franchise, fans of the comic series, if they comment, that's tantamount to them thinking they own your body.

[Candace Owens]

Like, have you seen how many write

[Steven Crowder]

ups there have been about every single male superhero? Specifically their workout regimens, what they did to get in shape, the grueling workouts, the diuretics they have to take, the Tren Ballone that they don't tell you about.

[Candace Owens]

And she just, you know, she's an average woman there.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Candace Owens]

She's Supergirl.

[Steven Crowder]

It's really what they feel like. They own my body. This sounds like someone who is preemptively trying to use the sexism excuse for a film that may not work out that well. There was no. There would be no controversy. Same thing with Captain Marvel, same thing we saw with Star wars, same thing with Jennifer Lawrence. We're getting to all these examples. Of course, Rachel Ziegler.

[Candace Owens]

There would be none if you didn't bring it up. Just say, I'm excited to play Supergirl.

[Steven Crowder]

And have you ever heard this from a man where how many women talk about Henry Cavill or they compare the different Chrises? Like, it's just amazing how women think they own our bodies. It's tough to exist as a man in this space. It's Supergirl. You're a superhero in this superheroine.

[Candace Owens]

Just play it and say, hey, I

[Ben]

hope the fans really enjoy it. I had a lot of fun making it. That's what the guys do, right? Don't complain about anything.

[Gerald]

She's convoluting it with, you know, fans being upset when they replace a man with a woman.

[Candace Owens]

Right, right, right.

[Gerald]

In a comic book, that was a man, like a character that was a man. There was a. There was a few shows recently that came out where characters were either made trans, they were either made gay when they weren't, or they were made a woman when they were actually a man. This is Supergirl. She's been around since the 50s. It's a book written by a guy in the 50s.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. This is.

[Candace Owens]

This is just.

[Gerald]

We expect it.

[Steven Crowder]

This is mystery. This is someone. This person despises men. She's looking for a reason to blame men for something over which they're blameless Men don't. I haven't heard any outrage about this whatsoever until she brought it up. These people, those in Hollywood, they don't like you, they can't stand you, and they will use every opportunity to take potshots. Case in point, let me give you another example. This Is something that we've been hearing quite a bit of from women in the entertainment industry. Like, it's really hard being an actress in Hollywood. It's not. It definitely is not a place for women. What?

[Candace Owens]

And especially action heroes.

[Steven Crowder]

I had Jennifer Lawrence said that prior to the Hunger Games, remember this? There had been no female action leads.

[Jennifer Lawrence]

I remember when I was doing Hunger Games, nobody had ever put a woman in the lead of an action movie because it wouldn't work. We were told girls and boys can both identify with a male lead, but boys cannot identify with a female lead.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, absolutely.

[Jennifer Lawrence]

And it just makes me so happy every single time I see a movie come out that just blows through every single one of those beliefs and proves that it is just a lie to keep certain people out of the movies.

[Candace Owens]

Hold on a second.

[Steven Crowder]

It proves it. You just talked about. Before we get to why this is verifiably untrue. You can check all the references. We make them available every single show. And I'm gonna rapid fire them. She said, you know, it's harder for boys to relate to a female lead. Well, I actually probably agree with that. As far as an action hero. Right. Young boys, the reason that they're obsessed with monster trucks and dinosaurs, it's just everything else is more powerful than them. So they are looking to the examples that which is most powerful. That's how young boys think. Man, when I get older, I'm gonna be big. I'm gonna be strong. I won't be picked on. So it's hard for them to relate to women because they know how physically frail they are in comparison to men. But she just said women can relate to male leads. And so clearly that needs to change. And we're now exposing the truth. What truth?

[Candace Owens]

You just said what it is. And by the way, Hunger Games had two. You had female, you had male. As far as no female action leads.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay, let me disabuse you of this.

[Candace Owens]

Alien.

[Steven Crowder]

Big one. Kind of a big franchise. Ripley in there, Sarah Connor, Terminator 2, Charlie's Angels, Tomb Raider, Both the original and the redux resident evil underworld.

[Candace Owens]

And even the original Wonder Woman till you ruined it.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, she's a guy, so.

[Gerald]

Nice.

[Steven Crowder]

So then they point to this.

[Gerald]

How delusional. She had to create her own glass ceiling, right? Probably had men come do it, actually.

[Candace Owens]

Exactly right. Can you fix this? I just. I had to get through, but then I broke it. There's kind of drafty.

[Robot Researcher]

Do we have any glaziers?

[Steven Crowder]

So they ignore those, and then they want to point to the Failures as a. Well, it must just be because of women.

[Candace Owens]

That would be like.

[Steven Crowder]

That would be like Ryan Reynolds saying, yeah, the Green Lantern was a failure because he's a guy.

[Candace Owens]

No, there's Deadpool.

[Steven Crowder]

There's an example of doing it right, doing it poorly.

[Candace Owens]

We just gave you examples of plenty of female action leads who did it right.

[Steven Crowder]

Or at least were accepted, were celebrated.

[Candace Owens]

And then there are failures like Captain

[Steven Crowder]

Marvel, she, Hulk, Snow White, Star Trek, The Ghostbusters, Female 1, the Rings of Power. You could look at that and say the common denominator. Right. The common thread is woman. But we just gave you nearly as many examples of female action leads that were successful.

[Candace Owens]

So then let's look.

[Steven Crowder]

What is the through line with these? Why do you think Captain Marvel, she, Hulk, Snow White, Ghostbusters, Rings of Power. What might suggest that one could have predicted their failures? That's right.

[Candace Owens]

Doing exactly what is happening with Alcock now and Supergirl, it never works out well. You've preemptively insulted half of your audience. You know, the half that needs to sign your paychecks. It doesn't matter what it is. It doesn't matter if they don't have a grievance. These feminists in Hollywood will make one up. This next one is a new one on me, but I would just want

[Steven Crowder]

to bring this one to your attention because it's a perfect example. Rachel Ziglar. I know I've talked about her before. Somehow this one eluded me.

[Candace Owens]

She said that it was hard growing

[Steven Crowder]

up as a Latina. She's Polish, mostly because she only saw Eurocentric actresses promoted, and that women, Latina women, just typically didn't get that kind of a spotlight.

[Candace Owens]

What?

[Rachel Zegler]

When I was younger, my approach to beauty was a lot more shaped by what I was witnessing.

[Steven Crowder]

Pause.

[Candace Owens]

Right. Because the mainstream vision of beauty excludes Latin women.

[Rachel Zegler]

Big pieces of media. So it was who was on magazine covers, who was in the beauty commercials, who was in movies and was considered, like, the most beautiful movie star at the time.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Rachel Zegler]

It was definitely very Eurocentric. As I was growing up, and being a young Latina, that was hard because not a lot of people looked the

[Jennifer Lawrence]

way that I did.

[Steven Crowder]

No, they looked actually Latina.

[Rachel Zegler]

They didn't have dark eyes like I did. So as I've grown up, I've really been able to find it within myself, which is really nice.

[Ben]

Your Vic.

[Steven Crowder]

You mean your Polish self.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

I know.

[Steven Crowder]

Part Colombian, which is basically Spanish. She's mostly European, to be clear. This just people on the magazines. Okay.

[Candace Owens]

Right.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. We need to break through this glass ceiling because white men, just to be clear, white American men were holding Latino women down. Sure, you ugly.

[Candace Owens]

Please, you should. All right, let me give you some examples here, okay? Jennifer Lopez, Salma Hayek. Rosie. Rosie Perez, Penelope Cruz, Rosario Dawson, Eva Longoria, Eva Mendez, Jessica Alba, Sofia Vergara, Michelle Rodriguez. What's the other one?

[Steven Crowder]

De Armas.

[Candace Owens]

By the way, I think six or seven of them were rated most beautiful person alive several years. And historically, this isn't even new, by the way. You can go back to Sophia Loren. You go back to Raquel Welch, Rita Hayworth, Lupe Velez. Also just what we're talking about objectively. So here's the thing, right? When people go men, women.

[Steven Crowder]

Oh, the gender wars.

[Candace Owens]

No, no, truth does matter. Objectively is a legitimate grievance as far as discrimination that Latina women have been

[Steven Crowder]

held down because of their ugliness. Well, we just gave you the actresses. It's almost like they're disproportionately represented.

[Candace Owens]

Also. 25 Latina women crowned Miss Universe. 25. But here's the other problem though, too, by the way. By the way, in other words, I don't know if you know this. Latina women are pretty much a. Okay with almost everybody.

[Gerald]

Yeah. Statements like that got people like white guys looking at each other like, hey,

[Marco Rubio]

were you the one that said that Bullshit.

[Candace Owens]

Ye. Everyone that said that.

[Gerald]

Which one of you said that stupid shit?

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, which one of guys?

[Steven Crowder]

Come on.

[Candace Owens]

We want more of them. We want more to come out of the woodwork. Have you been to Venezuela? It's like you could just pick. Go you.

[Steven Crowder]

Miss Universe.

[Gerald]

Done.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Candace Owens]

It's a. It's a far cry from Poughkeepsie.

[Gerald]

Here's a nice dress. Learn to sing.

[Candace Owens]

Pick any city in Brazil. Yes, they're going to be hot. But here's the thing. Don't go too far. Don't go too far and say that Latino women tend to be beautiful, which

[Steven Crowder]

is universally agreed upon, because then you're fetishizing them.

[Candace Owens]

There bunch of articles about this too. Bunch of articles about people. Because a lot of men out there fetishize. They like Latina women. Correct? Correct. Guilty. I mean, yes, Daisy Fuentes, we talked about that. Daisy Fuentes was one grown up. Eva Mendez was another woman. So Ryan Gosling is so. Okay.

[Steven Crowder]

There aren't enough Latino women who are represented amongst really the category. The competition is being pretty.

[Candace Owens]

That's Miss Universe and that's being rated

[Steven Crowder]

most beautiful woman in the world. The usually People magazine are one of those. The competition is Being pretty. Latina women tend to win a lot.

[Candace Owens]

A lot.

[Steven Crowder]

A lot, a lot, a lot.

[Candace Owens]

But that's also a problem because that

[Steven Crowder]

means that if men prefer Latina women, you know, beautiful thick hair, olive skin, curves. Well, that's a problem.

[Candace Owens]

It's a fetish.

[Steven Crowder]

It's your fetishizing us, and that could lead to sexual assault as well.

[Gerald]

It is a very Latina thing, though. Be like, you don't think I'm pretty?

[Josh Firestein]

No.

[Candace Owens]

Stop looking at me.

[Gerald]

Right.

[Candace Owens]

Exactly. Exactly. Kind of. But they like it because nobody knows

[Steven Crowder]

what Latinas like more than this white guy.

[Candace Owens]

I certainly know more than Ziggler. She's mainly Polish.

[Ben]

I love how she said it was Eurocentric and she's European. Listen, like, why don't. Why don't they just shut up and earn?

[Steven Crowder]

Like, that's.

[Ben]

That's how this happens. You want to, like, push women's rights, whatever that means, forward like a million miles and get more representation. Shut up. Earn it, Do a great job, and studios will put more movies with you in the lead than otherwise. If you just go out there and it's like a boxer going, I didn't lose because I wasn't as good. It's because he's black and I'm white,

[Steven Crowder]

and it's just racism.

[Ben]

No, he hits you hard and you fell down unconscious.

[Candace Owens]

Also, by the way, the forgotten race

[Steven Crowder]

that's actually been discriminated against.

[Candace Owens]

Asians. Let's just look like most beautiful person. It's very rarely a South Korean.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Candace Owens]

Not bitching about it. They're just getting stuff done.

[Steven Crowder]

Despite Lane's votes.

[Gerald]

Can you imagine a Filipino woman watching that interview? Like, what?

[Candace Owens]

What we've been chasing. We have Spanish names. We were chasing you. I've been skipped over, like, 19 times

[Steven Crowder]

for an average Latina.

[Candace Owens]

Granted, she is prettier than me because they have a leg up.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, you know, in the end, she'll just be fetishized.

[Candace Owens]

So in conclusion, the feminist left. You wonder why men are like, we're

[Steven Crowder]

just checking out now.

[Candace Owens]

Take this, okay? Distill it down, apply it to the dating pool. If you're a guy who shows up

[Steven Crowder]

and what's your opinion on Supergirl? I don't know.

[Candace Owens]

Do you have a problem with it?

[Steven Crowder]

Being a woman?

[Candace Owens]

What? Do you. Do you realize that there aren't enough

[Steven Crowder]

Latinas being represented amongst most beautiful people on Earth? Well, I don't know about that.

[Candace Owens]

But also, do you know that Latinas face in an undue amount, a disproportionate amount of discrimination through fetishized?

[Steven Crowder]

Fetishization, because people find them really hot. Like, what do you want to do here? You want to split the bill? Is this over?

[Ben]

Yes, I'm done.

[Candace Owens]

You guys let me know. Hey, Latino women there, do you think

[Steven Crowder]

you've been disproportionately represented? And do you think that Ziglar is going to correct it?

[Candace Owens]

How about Alcock? Have you guys thought that, you know,

[Steven Crowder]

what Supergirl really needs is not to be a girl, and she's ruined it for you.

[Candace Owens]

You guys let me know because they need to bring up.

[Steven Crowder]

Generate controversies where they don't exist, and then they'll accuse you of creating controversy by responding. This is to help. You don't have to ruin Star Wars. You don't have to ruin Snow White.

[Marco Rubio]

Right?

[Candace Owens]

You don't have to ruin Miss Universe.

[Steven Crowder]

Don't change a thing.

[Candace Owens]

Keep the bikini contest.

[Steven Crowder]

We don't give a shit about your talent show.

[Gerald]

I'm sorry you feel so uncomfortable in this space. As a woman. We're gonna replace you with a trans woman.

[Candace Owens]

Yes, exactly. We're gonna replace you.

[Ben]

The one time I'm on board with that, we're gonna.

[Candace Owens]

You know what? Let's just. Let's just play this safe, all right?

[Steven Crowder]

The next super.

[Candace Owens]

The next Wonder Woman is gonna be

[Steven Crowder]

a Thai lady boy.

[Candace Owens]

Okay?

[Steven Crowder]

That work?

[Candace Owens]

Everyone happy? Fortunately.

[Gerald]

I wonder if she's a woman. Sorry.

[Ben]

That is so lazy, Josh.

[Candace Owens]

Is it lazy?

[Ben]

A little bit.

[Steven Crowder]

All right, well, invisible jet is just a Harley that she can't ride. It's like when they.

[Gerald]

The pony things.

[Steven Crowder]

She's just not working the clutch like Alan Richardson in a fight.

[Candace Owens]

Guess Wonder Woman will be. I guess. I wonder if I'll be taking the bus.

[Steven Crowder]

Fortunately for them, a lot of these women, they'll never have to worry about,

[Candace Owens]

you know, a mortgage.

[Steven Crowder]

Those in Hollywood, unlike most Americans.

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[Steven Crowder]

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[Gerald]

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[Josh Firestein]

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[Gerald]

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[Steven Crowder]

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[Josh Firestein]

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[Ben]

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[Josh Firestein]

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[Gerald]

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[Gerald]

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[Josh Firestein]

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[Gerald]

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[Candace Owens]

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[Steven Crowder]

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[Gerald]

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[Josh Firestein]

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[Candace Owens]

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[Candace Owens]

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[Steven Crowder]

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[Gerald]

No, we hired somebody.

[Steven Crowder]

Honestly, if my choice comes down to an H1B or AI, I am going. AI.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

So let's get to, let's get to the next conversation. By the way, thank you very much for the raid. You guys welcome in. We appreciate it. And we'll be sending you on to the, to the next show as well. We're going to talk about Iran. So let me ask you this. If Iran ended today, the conflict with Iran or the next couple of days, what would be your verdict? I'm going to go through the pros and cons with kind of where we stand right now. But I've tried to be as consistent as humanly possible with this. I said, hey, you know what? I think that President Trump has earned our trust on this. At this point, everyone was saying World War III or Iraq said, we may find out over time that that is a comparison, a legitimate comparison, or we

[Candace Owens]

may find out that it's not.

[Steven Crowder]

We brought you examples like Panama, Granada. To be clear, we said there are plenty of examples of conflicts that don't go on that long.

[Candace Owens]

So I said, you know what, let's

[Steven Crowder]

give it three months, give it three months, and then we can actually evaluate where we stand. Three months and we are still on the countdown. I know you have Iran fatigue. Look, I'm going to stake my claim here. Three months.

[Candace Owens]

Okay. How about that?

[Steven Crowder]

And right now, we are on day 32. 32. This is one from the outset, I said, my mind can be changed and you've seen it happen in real time, 11:00am Eastern every weekday. You guys can tune in.

[Candace Owens]

So we were told, and this is the standard that we need to use here.

[Steven Crowder]

Because I even was just reached, someone reached out from the Telegraph saying, hey, we'd like to talk about sort of the civil war on the right over Iran. I do not think that this is worth a civil war or people impeaching Donald Trump. And the standard by which we have to judge this is there was one side that was screaming World War three nuclear fallout and Iraq as the only comparison.

[Ben]

Worse than Iraq.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, worse than Iraq. It could be. Let's say this ends within the three month span for most conflict. You often have people who are peacekeepers there to help with transition. That's not the same as a quagmire like Iraq over the course of a decade. But Iraq, World War Three or even people compared it to World War two, saying it's going to be worse than World War two, or it could end up being about as significant as Bosnia, Kosovo. Anyone look back on that and go, that's what destroyed America. We were never able to recover from that. And I know there are differences and I know that it's not a direct comparison, but I think it's a more apt comparison if this wraps up in the next coming weeks than Iraq or World War Three.

[Candace Owens]

Is that fair?

[Steven Crowder]

Is that a fair statement? Whether you agree with it or not, the declaration that this is World War 3 or exactly like Iraq, if it

[Candace Owens]

ends within the next month or two

[Steven Crowder]

months or week, would you compare it more to something like Bosnia, Kosovo, other conflicts that were not forever wars? So President Trump spoke with reporters yesterday and he said, and I know he kind of goes back and forth, it's part of a negotiating tactic that we expect to be out of Iran in two, three weeks.

[Marco Rubio]

We knocked out. Excuse me, pardon me, interrupting.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Will be the US Will be gone

[Clark]

or done with the war.

[Marco Rubio]

I think with two or three weeks we'll leave because there's no reason for us to do this. We're negotiating with them right now. They've been again, we have had regime change. Now, regime change was not one of the things I had as a goal. I had one goal. They will have no nuclear weapon and that goal has been attained. They will not have nuclear weapons, but we're finishing the job and I think within maybe two weeks, maybe a couple of days longer to do the job. But we want to knock out every single thing they have now. It's possible that we'll make a deal before that because we'll hit bridges and we've hit some. We'll hit some bridges. Got a couple of nice bridges in mind.

[Gerald]

Beautiful bridge.

[Marco Rubio]

If they come to the table, that'll be good. But it doesn't matter whether they come or not. We've set them back. It'll take 15 to 20 years for them to rebuild what we've done to them. They have no navy, they have no military.

[Steven Crowder]

Now I know what some people are saying and I understand this is legitimate a criticism or conversation. Well, maybe they weren't anywhere close to nuclear capabilities. Okay. The IAEA did not say that. Iran themselves said and I get that they lie, so you can't take that at the word. But again that was used to be the predicate for and this is to enrich the military industrial complex was one. Or this is so that we can have a never ending war, a forever war for Israel. This is doing the bidding of Israel. We're going to kill everybody. Americans, American soldiers are going to be on the ground. Your children will die for Israel. Right, so that was, has that happened?

[Candace Owens]

If none of those things happen and if it's not World War 3 and if it's not even comparable to Iraq, would you say, okay, this is a

[Steven Crowder]

disagreement, but you know what, it was done.

[Candace Owens]

They got out.

[Steven Crowder]

Seems to me that we have a difference of opinion.

[Candace Owens]

These used to be the kinds of

[Steven Crowder]

conversations over which we could have a disagreement. And you didn't go for impeachment or say that Kamala Harris will be the exact same.

[Candace Owens]

Right.

[Steven Crowder]

And again, this has been always their state of goal, not just ensuring that they cannot develop a nuclear weapon, but ensuring that they don't get to the point where we wouldn't be able to stop them. Meaning as they work on nuclear weapons, they would have the ability to protect it, create effectively a protective dome. Once they get past that point of no return, there's nothing we can do. It's just a matter of time. Rubio reiterated this, talking about how that has been the mission and if they

[Candace Owens]

leave then that would mean that they

[Steven Crowder]

were telling the truth. Otherwise what would.

[Candace Owens]

What would be the incentive?

[Steven Crowder]

Here he is.

[Clark]

Many Americans are asking why did the United States have to attack Iran now? Well, let me explain. Iran wants to have nuclear weapons. Of that there is zero doubt if what they truly wanted, which is what they claim is nuclear energy. Well, they could have nuclear energy like all the other countries in the world have it. And that is you import the fuel and you build reactors above Ground. That's not what Iran has done. They build their reactors and their facilities deep in mountains, away from the public glare, and they want to enrich that material. The same equipment that they could use to enrich material for energy, they could use to quickly enrich it to weapons grade. We were on the verge of an Iran that had so many missiles and so many drones that no one could do anything about their nuclear weapons program in the future. That was an intolerable risk. Under no circumstances can a country run by radical Shia clerics with an apocalyptic vision of the future ever possess nuclear weapons. This was our last, best chance to eliminate that conventional threat, that conventional shield that they were trying to build. And the president made the right decision to wipe it out. Now, that is the goal of this operation, to destroy their conventional missiles and their drone program so they can't hide behind it and finally have to deal with the world seriously about never, ever having nuclear weapons.

[Steven Crowder]

And I know what people are gonna say, well, they're doing well. Why can't they fix all the problems at home? Did you guys just see the judge who ordered that 900,000 illegal aliens have to be reinstated? The CBP1 app. It's very difficult to do things domestically.

[Candace Owens]

I know. This is crazy. It's easier to bomb a terrorist regime

[Steven Crowder]

than it is to actively get enough of a coalition to deport all illegals in this country.

[Candace Owens]

It shouldn't be that way.

[Gerald]

Now you're just gonna hurt the terrorist feelings, right?

[Steven Crowder]

That's true.

[Candace Owens]

That's true. And you know what?

[Steven Crowder]

I'm okay with it. So according to intel reports, if this is a forever war, well, about two thirds of Iran's missiles are either destroyed, damaged, or buried, meaning they're not usable. About two thirds? About half of Iran, 60%, you know, enriched uranium. Well past the 20% sort of point of no return. Still buried. That's a problem. Their air defense, 80% destroyed. Their navy, about 92% of their large vessels, destroyed. And this is where this is interesting to me. I don't think communication has been great, but I also understand there's information that I can't know as it relates to war and national security. You saw these European allies say we will not get involved. Even say we actually now, our agreement to allow the United States to set up shopping, we're not going to allow that to take place anymore. While it was catastrophic for those in Europe, far more than us, for the Strait of Hormuz to be closed. So with this, now, Donald Trump is able to.

[Candace Owens]

Okay, Navy's gone.

[Steven Crowder]

Their air force is gone. Most of their missiles are gone. They're a paper at this point. We've castrated them effectively. You didn't want to.

[Candace Owens]

You guys take care of it. You guys, now you know you're an ally. Start, start upholding your end of the bargain.

[Steven Crowder]

There's some value there. There's some real exposure along with these conversations we've had regarding NATO. So the Strait of Hormuz. Let's talk about that. President Trump specifically addressed what is going on there. And I believe we have a clip

[Marco Rubio]

problem with the strait. A guy can take a mine, drop it in the water and say, oh, it's unsafe. It's not like you're taking out an army or you're taking out a country or you. He can drop it or he can take a machine gun from the shore and shoot a little few bullets on a ship or maybe an over the, the shoulder missile, small missiles. That's not for us. That'll be for France. That'll be for whoever's using the strain. But I think when we leave, probably that's all cleared up today I heard tremendous numbers of ships were sailing through.

[Steven Crowder]

From what we're seeing. There are more ships going through right now. We don't know exactly why or how many. He posted, reiterated that on Truth. This is something that, if you guys know, Donald Trump has talked about how the international coalition, they've really just sort of been allowing us to bear the burden and that can't happen anymore.

[Unknown Caller]

He wrote all of those countries that can get jet, that can't get jet fuel because the Strait of Hormuz, like the United Kingdom, which refused to get involved well in the decapitation of Iran. I have a suggestion for you. Number one, buy from the U.S. we have plenty. And number two, build up some delayed courage. Go to the straight and just take it. You'll have to start learning how to fight for yourself. The USA won't be there to help you anymore, just like you weren't there for us. Oh, the shoes on the other foot. Iran has essentially been decimated. The hard part is done. Go get your own oil.

[Steven Crowder]

President DJ T. Also, it looks like the UK has answered the call by sending in the Royal Navy to the Strait.

[Unknown Caller]

Man, I don't even recognize you anymore.

[Candace Owens]

Wow.

[Ben]

No, just really quickly. So it goes into. One of their other leverage points was the straight of Hormuz. If they ever got pushed too far, a deal wasn't going the way they wanted to, they could, they could absolutely shut off the world's oil supply. Through the straight of four moves, this takes that out. Why do you think we went after 92% of their large boat navy? Why do you think we did that? Right, look, it's part of the plan.

[Steven Crowder]

You may disagree with it and I understand that. But the comparison I keep wanting to bring us back to back was Iraq and World War 3. Gas prices went up to $4 a gallon. Terrible highest since 2022. Could drop back in a month. But let's compare that to Europe. It's so bad there that their governments essentially told their citizens not to travel. And they also tried to enact, this is what they said, voluntary demand saving measures with particular attention to the transport sector. 40% of Europe's diesel jet fuel comes through that strike straight. So while it's been very inconvenient for the United States, I'm not happy about gas prices either. That's why I think we need an exit strategy.

[Candace Owens]

It is catastrophic for Europe who failed to, refused to get involved.

[Steven Crowder]

And I understand. Well, they wouldn't have been put in a situation if the United States didn't do it. It was a matter of time, guys. Yes, it was a matter of time.

[Candace Owens]

Just like it was a matter of

[Steven Crowder]

time until those in Europe had a problem with Russia and wanted to fund the other side of the war by supporting Ukraine while still purchasing their energy from Russia. Did we not just learn that their

[Ben]

missiles were capable of hitting most of Europe?

[Steven Crowder]

Yes, yes, you're welcome. So let's go. What would, what would, what would we be looking at if the war ended today, tomorrow, this week? Okay, here are the sort of the pros. Their missile shield, their nuclear program set back to the point where if they decide to act up again, we could just drop a few, few airstrikes and set them back again. That's a good thing. They're, they're definitely not anywhere near as much of a threat. And I know many people believe that they're not a threat, but okay, the credibility from the United States as far as our threat to act now, they believe it. Remember we were talking with Iran. Talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, talking. They killed many, many, many Americans on multiple occasions. And we said, we're not going to do this. And instead what ended up happening was we unfroze billions of dollars. We actually handed them a billion dollars in cash. When you look at the Obama administration and now we've said, no, you know what, what, we're not going to go along with you anymore. We're just going to kill a lot of you. This also Places the onus on our allies who've relied on the United States. Hey, you are the guys who need this energy.

[Candace Owens]

Guess what?

[Steven Crowder]

You guys need to protect it.

[Candace Owens]

Or you can start buying from us.

[Steven Crowder]

Isn't that crazy that I just said that phrase out loud?

[Candace Owens]

Isn't it nuts when you think about

[Steven Crowder]

it, that these European nations are getting energy from Russia, from a strait that's controlled by Iran, instead of just, hey, displace it, recalibrate, purchase it from the United States? Not only are you not supporting us,

[Candace Owens]

not only are you not paying your

[Steven Crowder]

fair share with NATO, not only are you not linking arms militarily, but you won't even support this nation financially for

[Candace Owens]

something that you already need and are buying anyway.

[Steven Crowder]

That, to me is pretty important. Exposes allies and puts them in the hot seat. There are definitely cons. It's unpopular politically. Definitely won't bode well for the midterms. Especially when people are saying that no matter what, they will try and convince you that this was a forever war and somehow it just didn't work out. It was going to be World War iii. It was Iraq. You still have people who believe that? Of course. We've had some US Service members killed. That's terrible. It's always a tragedy. We've had some instability as far as energy prices. That's terrible. The biggest con, I would say, is the depletion, and Lane and I were talking about this this morning, of high end offensive and defensive weapon systems. So if there's some other major conflict that takes place right now, now we could be caught with our pants down, depending on the scenario.

[Candace Owens]

All the more reason for Europe to step up.

[Steven Crowder]

Hey, we're going to be out of pocket for a while, Europe, so you might have to handle yourself. We're setting our email to autorespond out of office.

[Ben]

Defend yourself.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. So that's, that's where we are.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

And like I said, three months, give it three months.

[Candace Owens]

Is that reasonable?

[Steven Crowder]

And do you leave room for if three months from the start of this conflict, we're pretty much out. And the goals, the missions that this administration stated are mostly accomplished. And we're not in a forever war. Do you leave room to acknowledge that? Okay, maybe not Iraq, maybe not World War 3.

[Ben]

What I want them to acknowledge is maybe I was wrong again. Maybe Donald Trump, President of the United States, deserves a little bit of, I don't know, the benefit of the doubt.

[Candace Owens]

Right.

[Ben]

From his past statements, from his past actions, from his track record in dealing with these, maybe he knows a little bit More than you. Maybe he's better at doing this than you are. And not everything is World War Three. And by the way, we're gonna hold you to what you said. Don't pivot and say, well, it's bad for us in the region. Now, I know you said that that might happen, but you said troops on the ground. You said worse in Iraq. So just remember that.

[Steven Crowder]

Would we.

[Ben]

And hold us three months. Hold us.

[Candace Owens]

What would be a more.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, what do we think would be a more valid comparison? I would say, you know, like Bosnia and Kosovo, because that's kind of something that, you know, I was obviously really young, but it was largely airstrikes and then we had people on the ground and there were some fights, but it was mainly rebuilding right at that point.

[Gerald]

Peacekeeping.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, peacekeeping. I think that would be more comparable to this current Iran conflict than Iraq, if you're going to pick one. And does anyone say that was reason for impeachment and that's what destroyed the United States? The primary difference is that Iran is more of a threat globally than what we were dealing with there. But I think it's more. Yeah, I think it's more apples to apples. And I know that people say collect $7,000 from the Jews, even though I was told that to collect $7,000 from the Jews was because we have American blood in the soil of Iran and it would be a forever war.

[Candace Owens]

So I don't really know how I'm

[Steven Crowder]

going to get that Jew money, but, you know, let them know to give me a call. We might be, by the way, running out of some pretty critical munitions, but that doesn't mean you're poor. Portfolio has to run out of some of your assets. So go to lwcgold.com, see if you qualify for a no Fees for Life IRA. Thanks to TruGold, it's gone up about 77% over the last year. Not saying only buy gold.

[Gerald]

No.

[Ben]

But the news of this stuff right now is pushing everything higher.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah.

[Ben]

So gold included. So check it out. Trump. Trump tends to do pretty well in these situations. I think he's speaking tonight at 9. I believe he is as well to address the nation. So it could be pretty big news on this. Hopefully we'll see.

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[Steven Crowder]

Speaking at 9 tonight. And I will be speaking, actually a debate. So Change my mind started 2016, maybe the first one broadcast was 2017. I think we did a test run or two when we started it. I always wanted to sit down with professors. Hoped for it, reached out. Never took place to the point where we kind of. Okay, we just sort of gave up hope. I guess we'll just have to do this on random streets in downtowns or with students. Sometimes we would do it with, you know, professionals. That ended up morphing into black and white and the gray issues. But April 10th at Upennial, I will be, I guess, having hosting. Actually, I'm not hosting. We have a separate moderator. It's.

[Ben]

There you go.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. They pick the school, they pick the moderator, they pick the terms. And we will actually have a debate, a discussion so easy a student can do it. April 10th, UPenn, 7:00pm Eastern. Change my mind. It's the next chapter. Hey, YouTube, what you're about to watch is a new segment we call Change My Mind Campus.

[Clark]

A college campus.

[Steven Crowder]

Sure. It's an open campus.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

You can do whatever you want. You can protest any professor. You pick. Any professor.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

And you know, or set up a dialogue. How you think it would be best or most fair. Forgive me or your sources. What do you usually read? Cnn, cnn, Twitter. Cnn, Twitter and a lot of professors probably here. I think you're somewhat parroting from what you've learned from your professors. And so I don't think.

[Gerald]

Well, I mean, I agree with you

[Steven Crowder]

that data from CNN and Twitter and professors is wrong. Liberal professors and students who've seen it, they start yelling.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah. Which statistics are you reading the statistics of? According to the FBI, women and 12% of men are raped on college campuses.

[Steven Crowder]

Incorrect. We don't have any professors willing to debate. If you know, professors here would be willing to. We would be more than happy. I honestly, no, I don't. You've been failed as students. You've been failed. It's time to go straight to the top of the people who failed you. When we started change my mind, the idea was back in 2016, the more I went on campus, the more I saw the failures of the institutions. And I want to be really clear about something. This was never designed to mock, denigrate or dunk on students who don't know any better. It was always designed to highlight the failures of the institutions. We are actually going to be starting formal debates with professors at schools. We can have a civil dialogue and

[Candace Owens]

maybe get to the root cause as

[Steven Crowder]

to why you've been failed as students. Free speech and why you should give a damn. Jonathan Zimmerman why should we give a damn?

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Well, we should give a damn because free speech has been at the heart of every movement for change in this country. Racial and gender and sexual contemporary perspectives.

[Jennifer Lawrence]

Sex education.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

I discovered it was precisely the opposite.

[Steven Crowder]

That's right. Starting noon today, loudestcred.com tickets we'll be taking some questions from the audience. So just to give you some, some backstory here, 10 schools we reached out to, I believe eight, eight Ivy League. This is 10 years in the making. 10 years we've been trying. It's been a no, no. Where we decided we're really going to be aggressive to try and get this done. Because a lot of students would ask us, why won't you come in and have these conversations with professors? Believe me, we've tried. And in this case, we named it publicly. Ten schools. There were two who said, yeah, I think at Berkeley. And then they dropped out. And then we had one at Harvard with a professor with, oh, okay, great. And then they listed their terms, which are so absurd that you understand this wasn't done in good faith. In the end, we ended up with only one professor at UPenn, Jonathan Zimmerman, who was very gracious, accepted it. The only one with the balls to show up. But I'm going to actually show you the terms, the kinds of conversations that had taken place with other professors so you understand just how much they have tried to avoid and control dialogue.

[Candace Owens]

But one did accept millions of teachers. Professors, you see, millions of teachers who will debate.

[Steven Crowder]

All right, here are the conditions. One professor at Harvard demanded. I'm going to read these to you. And we've tried to remove any identifying information because lawyers. So they wrote this, they would agree to do it, by the way, your

[Candace Owens]

school, you pick the moderator.

[Steven Crowder]

We've offered suggestions as far as terms, but you guys can actually pick them. Agreed. And then some caveats. Prior to posting or distributing the debate recording, Crowder's team shall provide the participant, meaning the professor and their designated team, with copies of debate recording for review and approval.

[Candace Owens]

The Crowder team will not post or

[Steven Crowder]

distribute debate recording without the participants prior written approval. I guess the concept of live was lost on them.

[Ben]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Steven Crowder]

At any time after approving debate recording or other event media, the participant, meaning professor, objects to the continued use or distribution of such content.

[Candace Owens]

The participant may notify the Crowder team

[Steven Crowder]

in writing specifying the content and the basis for the objection.

[Candace Owens]

Upon receipt of such notice, the Crowder

[Steven Crowder]

team shall promptly remove the specified content from all platforms under its control within two business days, provided the objection is made in good faith. Hey, Harvard professor, can you off. Enough.

[Candace Owens]

No to all of it. But this is exactly the kind of

[Steven Crowder]

teaching that we see with kids. Remember? Regretful pnv. As far as sex, it's rape if you regret it. This person, this professor teaching kids an

[Candace Owens]

Ivy League, wanted to retroactively remove consent, as a term, from a live broadcast.

[Steven Crowder]

What this tells me is that these professors, with the exception of Zimmerman, and I get my hats off to him. All the respect in the world. This professor is trying to get away with exactly what they have always gotten away with. Yeah. Anyone here want to argue that that makes sense? Do you think this person isn't controlling this kind of conversation in the classroom room on campus? I can tell you they are, because we've been banned from campuses from people precisely like that.

[Ben]

Yeah. Welcome to the real world. You can't afterwards go, hey, I looked bad.

[Steven Crowder]

Right?

[Ben]

And therefore, I want to remove consent. Just really quickly, I want to clarify. The tickets are this afternoon. They will be available. You said noon, so I want to make sure people don't go at noon.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you for disrupting my reminder.

[Ben]

It's the Annenberg.

[Gerald]

Sorry.

[Ben]

Center for Performing Arts in Philadelphia.

[Steven Crowder]

All right, well, back to what I was talking about.

[Ben]

Lawyers contact me, so I get it.

[Steven Crowder]

Got a lot of vowels in there last night. I know. So this professor doesn't live in the real world. This is kind of the disconnect that hopefully we can address. Imagine anyone who's not a professor or in higher education making these kinds of wild demands in the real world at actual business dealing.

[Gerald]

Hey, Gerald.

[Ben]

Yeah?

[Gerald]

I took a couple days. I went over everything. I thought about it, and I know what I want to demand for my new contract.

[Ben]

All right, sure.

[Gerald]

Well, besides all the financial things, I think we're on good terms there. I also want your office.

[Steven Crowder]

You want to switch offices?

[Gerald]

That's not what I said.

[Josh Firestein]

Hi.

[Gerald]

I want your office.

[Ben]

You want your office and my office.

[Steven Crowder]

Josh.

[Gerald]

Yes. Oh, and the ability to control your mic more live on the show and add sound bites whenever I do this.

[Ben]

Okay, listen, Josh, like, I'm a reasonable guy, right? But I don't think this is gonna work out.

[Candace Owens]

Wow.

[Steven Crowder]

Art of the deal. That's a pretty good deal, actually.

[Ben]

No, no, that is not what we agreed to. You do not have control of my mic.

[Gerald]

Yes, Gerald, that's exactly what we agreed to.

[Ben]

No, no.

[Candace Owens]

Yeah, no, Gerald, actually, it does it

[Steven Crowder]

looks like he actually does have control of your mic.

[Gerald]

Watch this. Watch this.

[Ben]

Hey, I've been with men, and I am not ashamed of that at all.

[Candace Owens]

Straight from the horse's mouth.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

I'm sorry, Gerald.

[Gerald]

Here you go.

[Steven Crowder]

I'll take it off.

[Candace Owens]

I'll take it off. Yeah, do this.

[Gerald]

I also have the ability to shock him whenever I want.

[Steven Crowder]

That's great. I love that. I love that.

[Candace Owens]

Save that.

[Steven Crowder]

And you know what, Tool Man?

[Candace Owens]

Save that as a.

[Steven Crowder]

Save that as a preset so you can get in some of the action. Some of the shocking. Gerald. Action.

[Josh Firestein]

I'm way ahead of you.

[Candace Owens]

All right.

[Steven Crowder]

This is great. I like this. I like this. It feels like Ivy League in here. He almost cursed.

[Candace Owens]

We do, though, have a.

[Steven Crowder]

A guest to get to. And everyone we want to, of course, welcome him because he has made this possible. The only one. The debate is going to be April 10th, maybe more of a conversation. 7pm at the Annenberg center for the Performing Arts. UPenn LouderWithCrowder.com tickets starting this afternoon. Please welcome Professor Jonathan Zimmerman.

[Candace Owens]

Oh, sorry, Professor.

[Steven Crowder]

There was a stinger playing a silly horseshit before you came on.

[Candace Owens]

Welcome, sir.

[Steven Crowder]

Can you see us and hear us?

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Yes. Thanks for having me.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you for being on.

[Candace Owens]

And I'll keep it, because I know

[Steven Crowder]

we'll be there for an hour and a half, so I won't keep this going on for too long. But I just want people to know you are a professor of History of Education, UPenn Graduate School of Education. You've written quite a few books, including who's Culture wars in the Public Schools Too Hot to Handle, A Global History of Sex Education, the Case for Contention, Teaching Controversial Issues in American Schools, Campus Politics, what everyone needs to Know, Free Speech and why you should give a damn.

[Candace Owens]

I mean, so many books.

[Steven Crowder]

Let me ask you, why do you think you're the only one who said yes?

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Well, look, I can't speak for any of my colleagues who said no. All I can tell you is why I said yes. Right? And the reason I said yes is because I believe in dialogue across difference. Steve, I'm a liberal Democrat.

[Steven Crowder]

I know.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

And I know that you are not.

[Candace Owens]

That's true.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

And that's precisely why we should talk to each other, because that's how I think people learn.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

I generally don't learn from people I agree with. I learn from people I disagree with. And I think that especially right now, with the country so polarized, it's important for people that have different points of view to converse with each other.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. No, I think that's a healthy perspective. I don't learn that much from people who agree with me, but it makes me feel big, like I can hurt the little man. So I like having yes men around me.

[Candace Owens]

Well, let me ask you. The problem is, I'm reading these books. I'm like, yeah, sure, I agree with it.

[Steven Crowder]

So I know some people will be asking, well, why are you having this? It doesn't sound like it'll be much of a debate. And I think we both agree that freedom of speech, I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, is paramount, is very important. And like you said, we're very polarized as a nation. I think maybe where we'll find disagreement, hopefully, in offering solutions, is maybe the root cause of it or where we think we should move forward. Does that seem like how it's going to go?

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Yes, and I agree with that. And on the second point, Steve, one place where we may disagree, and note I said may because I'm not sure is my own claim that the Trump administration is now restricting free speech in all kinds of harmful ways. I don't debate, or I should say, I don't doubt your central premise that universities done a very poor job of both defining and protecting free speech, and they've often been in the place of censoring it. So. So we agree on that. But we both had moms, and I believe our moms taught us that two wrongs don't make a right. And I believe that the Trump administration has forgotten that and is now engaging in its own forms of censorship.

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah. And I know that that is a perspective that someone who obviously leans more left, and again, I never want to miss. But you said you're a classical liberal Democrat. Yeah, I think that'll be a healthy disagreement to have, and we can get into that. My mom did, but she's French Canadian, so she wasn't able to say it. She would, too. Wrong tree. You're gonna go the wrong way. I'd say, okay, Mom, I think I get it.

[Candace Owens]

But, yeah, so. And I don't want.

[Steven Crowder]

Because I don't want you to tip your hand or anything like that, obviously. Would you mind, for the audience, maybe listing some examples of where you think you know, two wrongs, The Trump administration really clamping down on freedom of speech?

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Well, I mean, you know these executive orders about how schools can't teach this thing called critical race theory, this thing called gender theory, whatever those are, because, of course, the order doesn't define them. I think that's a terrifying prospect. I can see all kinds of reasons to object to critical race theory, but I can't see a reason for an administration, which, by the way, has said that schooling should be a state and local concern to issue a White House order clamping down on that kind of expression. That just seems completely hypocritical to me. No matter what you think about the critical race theory?

[Steven Crowder]

Yeah, I think it's silly, but I also understand your perspective. I think that silly ideas should be allowed to be expressed. So I agree with that. I think the context. I think we probably. There'll be a lot of contextual dialogue regarding freedom of speech, where we're discussing the government, we're discussing businesses who maybe perhaps have relationships with the government, where those lines get blurred. But I agree, I definitely don't want to see it, though. I think that many people on your campus would think that I'm just like a hair shy of supporting a religious oligarchy. It's not true, but it kind of is.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Well, look, again, I can't speak for them. I think that, you know, there's also been some misrepresentation about the political atmosphere and sentiments on campuses. You know, I think if you watch certain shows, I'm not going to say which ones, you might imagine that, you know, it's just all these flaming Marxists. And that is not true. It is true that Professor Zaline left, absolutely. But they lean left and like voting for Bernie or Obama. That's different from being a Marxist, by the way, there are Marxists on campus.

[Steven Crowder]

Okay.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

But they are a minority. So this idea that we're all these kind of crazy radicals is just false. What we are are liberal Democrats, which is different from being a crazy radical.

[Steven Crowder]

Well, okay, And I think I agree with you on some of those premises and disagree on some, which is, again, we need people to actually show up so they can hear. And I'll just, you know. But just listen. If it comes down the line, it's you and me. I will not hesitate.

[Candace Owens]

The problem is these always end up being Fred. Like, it was kind of a debate, but you guys actually were productive.

[Steven Crowder]

You know, people now look for the clickbait. And that's one thing we don't do here. We provide all of our references.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Well, look, I mean. Yes, yes, sorry, go ahead, Steve. I think one other place, just to show my hand, one other place we may disagree, is about Trump himself and his behavior. And let me show my cards here. I am a deep opponent of President Trump, but not because of his policy positions. Because I think most of those policy positions are arguable. And when I say arguable, I mean reasonable people can disagree about them. Yeah, I think a border wall is a silly idea, but I don't think everybody who wants a border wall is silly. If you think about something like tariffs. We've been arguing about tariffs since Alexander Hamilton. So my distaste, my loathing for Trump has actually enough to do with his policy positions. It has to do with the way he flouts the norms of civic dialogue that you were referring to earlier. That's what I object to about Trump. He is the president of the country, and almost every day he does or says something that I believe flouts the norms. We need to converse with each other. Yeah, that's why I object to him.

[Steven Crowder]

I think that's.

[Candace Owens]

I think that's a. I think a

[Steven Crowder]

lot of people hold that position. I think that the norms that we've seen on campus, I mean, you see this from a professor. I think. I think they're at least equally corrosive, because I don't think that the norms should be.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

I agree with that. I mean, here's the bottom line. I agree with you.

[Steven Crowder]

Right.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

He calls people morons, dummies, low iq, and we call people transphobes and homophobes and misogynists. Right. But it's the same in the sense that it's the substitution of name calling for argument. But again, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because we've used silly slurs to clamp down on free speech doesn't mean we.

[Candace Owens]

We.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

The President of the United States doing it. And by the way, he is the president, and that matters, too. Like, I'm not the president. Right? He is. He's the leader of the nation.

[Steven Crowder]

Mm. No, I agree with you on that. And I also, you know, I've had my hands full with some of those on the right. Right now, where you're discussing, you know, for example, Iran, I think that there are reasonable positions to be held on both sides of that. To me, we've reached a point. When you talk about polarization, like, I don't know if you were watching earlier, I said, hey, when it started, I said, give it three months. Because everyone was saying World War three. Everyone was saying Iraq. I'm like, iraq isn't the only comparison. I said, my perspective is there's information I can't know as it relates to national security. By the way, we both have to acknowledge that they can't tip their hand with war. I Said after three months, then we can determine if it's a forever war and if it's impeachment worthy.

[Candace Owens]

That's all.

[Steven Crowder]

And I think that there are reasonable people on both sides, but people saying we are at a nuclear holocaust. It is going to be Iraq that gets the clicks. And so I really do appreciate you accepting it's, you know, it'll be a debate, but I think it'll be productive and respectful and you know, I, I wish there were more of you out there.

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Thank you. All right. And by the way, screw you.

[Candace Owens]

Yes, absolutely. Screw you. And you're a piece of shit, by the way. Where can people buy said pieces? Said piece of shit's books.

[Steven Crowder]

Where can they go buy your books?

[Professor Jonathan Zimmerman]

Jeff Bezos sells them, obviously. And, and you know, most Barnes and nobody. Yeah.

[Steven Crowder]

All right. All right. There you go.

[Candace Owens]

That is, that is Zimmerman.

[Steven Crowder]

Professor Zimmerman, the face that Candace Owens

[Candace Owens]

sees in her nightmares.

[Steven Crowder]

Thank you very much.

[Candace Owens]

We will see you soon.

[Steven Crowder]

When I get to you, Pen. Appreciate it. All right, we are going to continue but while we're discussing this, a mural, Providence, Rhode Island Arena, Zarutska taken down. That's a story that's kind of been on social media, but I think, I don't know that it's been covered at all in mainstream media. I wonder if it's being discussed in academia. So we are going to cover it. If you are not yet a member, by the way, your membership supports all the change my minds. Your membership is what allows us to do these professor debates. We've actually put up $10,000 for the professor to accept. And it goes, I believe to the department of their choice. You can talk about that because the lawyers, that's what it takes. And every dollar that comes from you goes directly to, to these kinds of dialogues, this kind of content. You can click there below, click that button. $99 a year. You also get 100% more show everything ad free. It's the best deal in right leaning or freedom centric content. Or try it for $9 a month. You know, that'll help us get a return flight from UPenn.

[Candace Owens]

If not continue.

[Steven Crowder]

You're gonna go watch Hayley Caronia who's coming up next. And let's really quickly. Oh wait, that's right. I forgot there was more to that office.

[Josh Firestein]

Yeah. Foreign.

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